Looks like they were wheels down and trimmed to keep the speed down and power on to maintain safe operations. The people in the stadium were more at risk from bad food and sunstroke then from the pilots actions.
Yup wheels down in military terms mean that they are dirty, the airframe is not smooth, I didn’t see anything wrong with that pass but some higher up officer type did, he was probably jealous he wasn’t part of the fly over or they were below minimum altitude rules!
Pilot 1 (lead pilot of the formation) grounded in April 2010 and sent to desk jobs. In 2015, ran wargames for Naval War College Retired from Navy 2017 Six months later, became Delta 757 and 767 pilot In 2022, became Delta Instructor - still there. Pilot 2 grounded April 2010 and sent to desk job. Quit Navy with almost 13 years service in 2012 (obviously was in the Navy to be a pilot. No one quits at 13 years!) Became test pilot for NASA in 2012 and continues to this day. Navy made good on their promise to ground them permanently but FAA did not.
Good solid info, you must be retired by now. I remember the pain of tailhook and so many friends forced out for a few discretionary mistakes. A couple bad apples changed the navy forever! Just goes to show you, It only takes one.
I grew up on a dairy farm in Jacksonville Florida and our farm was between N.A.S. JAX and CECIL FIELD. They are 10 miles apart and back in the 1960’s they used to fly over our fields going from base to base. As it was a short hop the pilots had their canopies slid back and open and when we heard the roar of the radial engines we would run out into the field to wave at the pilots. They would wave back and rock their wings as they passed. Aviators are BOSS!
As I used to work on the flight deck of USS Carl Vinson and F14s would fly over deck lower and break the sound barrier over us!!! Scared the crap out of us😂😂😂 but that's the sound of freedom!!!
@@xPeopleKindx I don't understand how people like you don't understand this still. All this stuff counts towards training hours. These flights have to take place anyways. It requires hours of planning (part of the training time and requirement) to organize the flight plan, identify the markers, and then show up on time (time on target). This could simulate a strike attack, or maybe here as the aircraft were dirty (gear down) a simulated approach to a ship/field. This stuff has to happen for the pilots and aircraft to stay current, otherwise it requires even more time and cost to get re-certified rather than maintaining a qualification.
I rarely ever experience a flyby at a sporting event, but when I do ... THIS is what I want! I want to see the pilots so I can wave back at them. Bravo!! ✌
The RAAF just had their Riverfire practice day today in Brisbane, they were waving! It happens every year, the C-17 is more spectacular than the Super Hornets/Growlers. It literally danced between buildings.
Glad our tax dollars are entertaining for you. A few hundred thousand bucks so two airplanes can fly over a football stadium in 3 seconds so you can wave to them. Cooool!
@@FilosophicalPharmerIt's a recruiting tool. Marketing. Without things like this we would have a lot less people signing up to serve. It also boosts patriotism, plus the tax payers get to see in person what they're paying for. Not to mention they need to fly hours to stay sharp anyway, might as well have some of those hours be for things like this. Many reasons for this, and I support it.
We used to get an F-16 flyover every year at Fresno State before the home football game closest to Veterans Day. Their was an Air National Guard wing nearby at the Fresno/Yosemite International Airport. Around 2005 or 2006 the four F-16s came by perfectly and right on time. At half time the four pilots were in the end zone and the camera went on each one as they were introduced by name one at a time. The crowd stood and applauded after which the announcer said "...and all four of these pilots here today completed their ROTC training and graduated from Fresno State!" The place went bat-shit crazy.
Pride. They all went to our university. None of them were USAFA or from any other college. They were alumnus of the college that they just overflew. The crowd loved it and ate it up. @@miloelite
@@robertdigby4504 The term Naval Aviators encompasses both Marine and Navy pilots. Those jets are Navy because they are rhinos and the USMC doesn't operate rhinos
One of the reasons those pilots got in so much trouble is because, as it turns out, they did NOT do that on purpose. They used the incorrect instrumentation to determine their altitude, resulting in a fly-by much lower than they intended. Barometric pressure tells you how far above sea level you are. Radar tells you how far above ground level you are. They were supposed to be on radar, but they were on barometric, so they thought they were a lot further from the ground than they actually were. That's a pretty serious error. Edit(5 days and 573 likes after original post): Folks this is not my opinion, this is the finding of the Navy Evaluation Board which investigated this incident. If you think they did this on purpose, that just makes them even stupider than if it was an accident! They were permanently grounded for this fly-by. PERMANENTLY! They would have known that could happen! But they did it anyway? NO! They screwed up! Both planes had their instrumentation misconfigured for the stunt they were performing. And, yes, that makes sense, because in a situation like this the lead pilot tells the following pilot what to do, and the following pilot just does it. Look up the 1982 Indian Springs Thunderbirds crash to see how much good a pilot's eyes do at determining altitude. (Hint-they don't) An entire flight flew their planes straight into the ground at full speed because they were watching the lead pilot, and his plane malfunctioned. 4 pilots were killed, 3 of them without ever knowing it was coming.
On a perfectly clear day.......no one was in any danger. They were both Alumni, flying over their school. So, they took the wings of both of them....even though one of them did 3 tours in Afghanistan, with the last being grounded. LIBERALS.......now, the military is "lowering it's standards."
Barometric also can show altitude/height over the ground (and not the sea level) It's called QFE. All they had to do is use the correct QFE and they would have been good. Or you can still use QNH (sea level) and add the terrain elevation+ the height you want to be above that field and still be good. Many ways to skin that cat, if this is really what happened it was a gross error, I suspect it's an excuse they gave for mitigating their case. Plus they should have seen from their eyes there were way below the normal height above ground for a pass so something is really fishy here.
@@12345fowler QFE would have required a weather station at the location, otherwise QFE would have been just been a guess. I also hadn't heard of QFE being used outside an airport environment.
@@aluisiousfar safer than driving a car numb nuts. Thousands die everyday in car crashes. Don’t get you panties in a wad worrying over something that might happen but didn’t.
Was a kid in navy housing, just outside NAS Norfolk, when the Blue Angels were F4 Phantoms. Had two fly over the housing complex close enough to read the numbers under the wings. Wasn’t expecting it, so it scared the crap out of me. Still awesome as hell.
I'm from the UK and attended a home game for US Navy vs Texas Christians. This was around 2000, the two aircraft descended into the stadium, we were in the upper rows and were looking down on the aircraft, couldn't belive what I was watching. I've searched the Internet for images but it was in days before smart phones so haven't found any. Most impressive event I've ever seen and I'm not an aircraft buff.
Used to be some awesome F16 flyovers at Michigan International Speedway by the Selfridge Air National Guard. Usually twice; once at "low" speed the 2nd with full afterburners on! It was worth the price of admission!
@@sn1p3s29 On the 2nd pass they'd come in over the top of the grandstands and go vertical until they disappeared into the wild blue with blue/orange flame coming out of the tail about the length of the plane. If that wasn't the AB, then it was full throttle. Regardless, it was pretty awesome to see and feel!
Awesome catch man! Would you be okay with me featuring this in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description.
hey Lucass I watch your video's all the time. I have a great video idea for you to show on your channel. You could show everyone how my balls lifted off of your forehead this past tuesday. : )
They never get old. One of the best I ever saw was the 2011 Rose Bowl between TCU and Wisconsin. Four ship diamond formation of F-18s. Also love watching videos of fighters engine startup, taxiing out and taking off from civilian airfields.
American Airpower. Wow. Stops me everytime. Nothing is more awesome to see than jets flying over. Truly impressive. Has to be one of the best flyovers I have EVER seen!
Nothing worth losing their wings for. That's absurd, if true. When I was a kid they used to fly LOW at air shows, unlike today. They're so damn risk-averse now, that fly-overs are so high you might not be sure it even happened. Reprimand? Okay. Temporary grounding? Extreme. Take their wings? Absurd.
Ever hear of the Cavalese disaster? Yes it was. Stupidity like this can easily take lives. They are risk averse because they have literally been responsible for murdering civilians with negligence.
This was some time ago, and the reason they lost their wings was this wasn't intentional. They had misconfigured their aircraft to use barometric altitude instead of radar altitude, resulting in a much lower pass than they intended. USN Evaluation board published a report on it. Ever since the Thunderbirds "diamond" crash they take this stuff really seriously.
I lived on Peterson after for 3 years and I've lived by Randolph afb for 15 years and I can honestly say I have seen this and still see this in my neighborhood Monday thru Friday and it makes me proud to live in the U.S.A.!!!!!
When I was a kid, a very active Air Guard Squadron operated here. They always flew so low us kids could clearly make out the oxygen mask and helmets the pilots were wearing, they would come in low and slow and actually wave back at us! I recall when they were transitioning from The RF-101 Voodoo to the RF-4C Phantoms....watching a Voodoo & Phantom flying in formation was awesome! A lot of different birds came through our area due to our location, at that time, to all the active military posts , Air Refueling orbits and Gunnery Ranges located around. Saw all kinds of birds low and slow. If they did that today thise pilots would get grounded and probably lose their wings ...I am fortunate to have seen the sights I saw.
@@robertdouglas8895 and?? You pay taxes for a lot of other things that you can never enjoy. Might as well enjoy your tax dollars at work for an amazing flyover.
I was at a race at Road America in Elkhart Lake WI during the early 70's - a military jet fighter (identifying it was impossible as it came by so suddenly) came over the pits during practice low and slow and then pulled up with afterburners lit. It went straight up and was gone. Word was that some Air Force officer was racing that weekend, and this was a gesture.. A lot of people jumped. One guy had his head under the hood of his car and bumped it pretty good trying to get a look.
I remember being at an Air Force Academy football game and a B1-Bomber flew so low and fast, it broke windows in the stadium box and set off many car alarms. It was killer!
I’ll never forget the flyover the night Georgia Tech played Notre Dame. 9-11 was still on everyone’s mind and you could hear a pin drop as the pilot flew over. He was low. He did get a standing ovation after he came on the field at halftime.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but FAA rules state that all aircraft must maintain a height of 1,000 feet above any structure. It looks like the hotel past the flyby, they were only about 50 feet above it. That is probably why the pilots were grounded.
I live not even 10 minutes away from an F15 base and i get these types of flyovers every day, but it never gets old. its especially funny when we have people from out of town visit and they see a flyover and think something is wrong.
Most if not all cities that have a military airfield stationed in them have a noise ordinance that the military must follow. I was in a Marine squadron of F18 in the Marine Corps in Beaufort S.C. They cant fly below a certain altitude, speed or past a certain time at night. We had to have ALL jets landed by 11pm sharp. So i'm willing to bet this was pushed from the city more than the military itself.
Talk about an absolutely Sissified, Flake-ass Wallflower city government (if that's the case). Spilled milk is now a felony. INSTEAD the lads oughtta be Saluted, Standing, then invited for drinks and dinner and autographs, if agreeable enough or at the pilots' convenience. End of story.
Once upon a time a long time ago in the late 50’s when I was a boy and shep was a pup, six jets (who knows what kind) pasted over our rural small house at near treetop level each breaking the sound barrier. For a poor Missouri country kid it was the most exciting thing ever
These guys are trained to land on a moving aircraft carrier. I'm sure they can handle flying in a straight line. It's like every time there's a party, someone on the block just has to complain.
Getting the timing right of the song to sync with planes and vice versa is precise. The planes fly a lot, flew a long way to get there, why would they suddenly have a problem in the 1 second it took to fly over the stadium.
Depending on exactly where you are, Atlanta is roughly 1,050 ft above mean sea level. If they flew in 1,000 ft above sea level, maybe we're fortunate they didn't slam into the North Stands!?! I wonder if the same crews will be doing the UGAG flyover?
Wake Forest is about 300 ft above sea level. Except for departure and landing, planes need to be 1,000 ft above in urban areas (like a big a** college football game). If that was 300 feet, I would be surprised. That looked like a high angle pass, so lower after-burners at the end. If one of those engines would have went out (and they do)...., oooh wee...
The hard deck for this hop was 10,000 ft. They knew, they broke it. They followed commanded Heatherly below after he lost sight of them and called no joy. They’re wildcards. Fly by the seat of their pants.
We have a friend that has a beach house in Fort Morgan Alabama. Many moons ago back in the 1980’s we used to go stay during the off season after Labor Day or before school let out late May. Early morning we would hear the roar of the engines of the Blue Angels. We would run out to the water line on the beach and watch them practicing. To us it seemed as though they looked for people on the beach to perform in front of. When they found us they would pass and tip their wings at us. Sometimes they would turn the smoke on as they passed by. We loved every minute of it. We would alway go see them at air shows whenever we saw there was a show nearby. For some reason it gives a sense of pride watching them.
Technically the flying was unsafe, it was too low, but it was an innocent mistake. The Admiral deemed it purposeful flat hatting and they were FENAB'd and lost their wings. Furthermore, I actually fly jets for the Navy and know people that were friends with those guys. So yes, they got screwed.
And "inncocent mistake"? lol How the f-k do you not know what altitude you should be at and yet are not? You have about 4 different devices giving you your altitude in that cockpit.
I read about this. They had an assigned altitude that they were supposed to do the flyover at, both of them used their barometers (which measures air pressure, which gives you your elevation above sea level) instead of the system that uses radar to measure your distance from the ground. As a result, they were flying much lower there than they were supposed to. Needless to say, that is a really bad fuck up.
Nice angle! You could see them coming...We were clueless until they came over the North stands! Afterburners at that low altitude would've blown out eardrums. Had to be about 200ft and lowest I've ever seen for a flyover. Maybe because the pilots were Tech Grads & we got a special treat? What'd you shoot that with? I've got an older dig camera that shoots video, but I always end up with horrible video. I want to upgrade so I can get some video that looks as good as yours!
sonic booms "blow out" ear drums, Afterburners just give you a small case of Tinnitus, if that was the case there would be endless cases of this for every airshow where burners are used excessively for show. Plus, it was one pass, and they were not in burners. I was there. they only kicked burners on their peel and climb out AFTER passing the crowd to resume MSA.
Although aggressive, risk-taking, low, slow jockeying is great for wartime. It's not outside of the battle space. Rules and regs are in place to moderate pilot behavior and prevent tragedy. Just because they are confident about pushing the envelope does not mean that miscalculations and changing conditions don't happen.
What's the big deal! Who is the jerk who turned them in? I remember partying in Key West in 1979. Our accomodations were Boyd's Campground on the runway approach to the Naval Air Station. Those jets were just as close or closer. Great show!
Great flying and I would've loved to have seen it, but I have to agree that the rules exist for big-time safety reasons. Flying that low over a stadium with thousands of people below, no margin for error or mechanical problem. Very bad PR for the Navy if a jet should experience a problem and slam into an occupied stadium. Genuinely sorry the pilots lost their wings.
@@threenumbnuts i was there, they broke away literally after this video cut off and resumed MSA For City Flights. there was no MSA Violations to the City and they had the exemption for MSA to setup and fly the low pass below the mandated 2500 AGL required for anything other than LE and Medical Flights to pass over and directly through the city.
Give the men their wings back. It’s a testament to how incredibly skilled our pilots are. I sleep like a Baby at night knowing that I have guys like this protecting my life and freedoms . Wish I was there to see that. Incredible . I salute 🫡 you. Even if your “Higher Ups” won’t
Good question: www.pilotonline.com/2010/03/19/low-flyover-lands-two-oceana-pilots-in-hot-water-2/#:~:text=PUBLISHED%3A%20March%2019%2C%202010%20at,Tech%20football%20game%20last%20year.
@RunEthernet I hate the Virginia Pilot so much. They are horribly political and then demand payment for articles. However, I'll accept this proof and eat humble pie for saying otherwise. I couldn't find the NATOPS guidance for stadium specific flyovers.
Considering the law is pretty clear here for stadium flyovers… min 1000 ft higher than the highest obstacle within a 2200 ft radius. Yep, they certainly smashed that one.
I remember the first time i saw a fly over at our stadium i was on top row (not going to lie, i had some final destination vibes going on) and jets flew over and besides the sound of the engine and deafness for about 30 seconds it was awesome to see fighters fly over.
There are plenty of low passes done these days... but its planned ahead, the problem with these guys is they didn't follow the plan correctly and thus were too low relative to were they were supposed to be and it was 100% their fault.
"The board concluded the pilots chose to use barometric altitude measurements (feet above sea level) instead of radar altitude measurements (feet above ground level) but failed to adjust their warning systems accordingly, the newspaper reported. By the time the alarm sounded, it was too late to correct the mistake"
😂…sounds good to someone that hasn’t ‘been there, done that’. As experienced aviators, their ‘Mark 1, Mod 1’ eyeballs would tell them they were lower than the Command approved, fly-over altitude if that was really the case. Great fly by, however!
@@dennymontgomery9716 Yeah they would of been well aware of how high they were above the ground especially with all the visual references to go by lol.
As a 40 plus year pilot, teaching low flying, this is NOT low flying, both aircraft are flying straight and level several hundred feet above the ground, and while its less than FAA minimus, these guys normally have permitts to fly over crowds at these sorts of altitudes. Its very different to say Air Show low flying where the manoeuvers must be clear and a way from the spectators. Its a lot safer than say being under an aircraft on approach to land or after takeoff, and every city every day has big jets at this sort of hight climing up away from an airport. Lets hope their grouding did not last long.
Thank you for interjecting good and calm thoughts. If their landing gears would have knocked down a stack of stadium lights, well, maybe write them up, but they never ever got close.
The Rock had some great flyovers. You remember the race where the army paratroopers jumping out of the plane when it was really windy, missed landing in the grass and they were bouncing off haulers and buildings in the infield? If I recall, a couple of them ended up being taken to the hospital
They aren’t good enough to respect the rules put in place for OUR safety. They thought it applies to others but not them?! That’s a slap in the face of us tax scam victims, and of their commanding officers
@@Romoto131 the review board said otherwise. they made a final report of neither malice nor wilful intent occurred on the pass. they used B-ALT rather than R-ALT as the source altitude which put them closer than expected, but neither showed malice or intent to willfully violate the rules. The asshole of this was the Rear Admiral who was just being a hard liner dickhead. he completely ignored the review board, his job is to take in the recommendations which he did, and threw the entire review into the trash can. The Navy also refuses to speak on this - because they know they are dead wrong here on behalf of this Rear Admiral - who by the way was later found drunk on duty, further into his career.
@@sproctor1958 google it, the rear admiral permanently grounded them, and Fryman and Condon were both permanently grounded and Fryman even deployed afterwards to Afghanistan, but without his wings.
They were both on military power (full throttle without afterburners). But the flyover was still incredibly ear splitting but one of the best fighter jet flypasts I’ve ever seen. 👏👏👏
no moron they were nowhere near full power at that speed; you don't use full power with the gear down. Another wannabe who thinks he knows alot about aircraft.
@@timburton9514 for show, nothing more. I was there, it was one of the best and near perfectly timed passes ive been to. NO Burners on flyover, but then on peel and climb out - yes they used burners to get speeds after gears up.
Looks like they were wheels down and trimmed to keep the speed down and power on to maintain safe operations. The people in the stadium were more at risk from bad food and sunstroke then from the pilots actions.
Anal sunstroke.
you are exactly right! we are a nation of pussies now.
Yup wheels down in military terms mean that they are dirty, the airframe is not smooth, I didn’t see anything wrong with that pass but some higher up officer type did, he was probably jealous he wasn’t part of the fly over or they were below minimum altitude rules!
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THATS A BEAUTIFUL THING and you know those fans loved every minute up that! As a VETERAN, I SALUTE THOSE AIRMEN!
Pilot 1 (lead pilot of the formation) grounded in April 2010 and sent to desk jobs. In 2015, ran wargames for Naval War College Retired from Navy 2017 Six months later, became Delta 757 and 767 pilot In 2022, became Delta Instructor - still there.
Pilot 2 grounded April 2010 and sent to desk job. Quit Navy with almost 13 years service in 2012 (obviously was in the Navy to be a pilot. No one quits at 13 years!) Became test pilot for NASA in 2012 and continues to this day.
Navy made good on their promise to ground them permanently but FAA did not.
The Navy has gone to hell. No wonder they can't recruit.
Good solid info, you must be retired by now. I remember the pain of tailhook and so many friends forced out for a few discretionary mistakes. A couple bad apples changed the navy forever! Just goes to show you, It only takes one.
@@tmcge3325 Thinking about getting a new leather flight jacket and having my Tailhook '91 patch sewn on. That's the one with Bart Simpson on it!
@@carlbehr4909 Bart's middle finger up?
All that training expense down the toilet. I am so glad they are flying and hope they enjoy their work. Sorry the pilot gave up 13 years.
I live by the Air Force Academy and every home game they do flyovers - it never gets old. My dad is retired Air Force. Always amazing.
I like turtles
I am up near Longmont and love seeing them fly over cu for games.
Everything is all fun and games,until a liberal shows the phuck up.
If you can’t heat a hot dog on an afterburner what’s the point. 🤘
One of my favorite things about living in the Springs is the random flyovers. Like today during dinner a C-130J came screaming over the house.
I grew up on a dairy farm in Jacksonville Florida and our farm was between N.A.S. JAX and CECIL FIELD. They are 10 miles apart and back in the 1960’s they used to fly over our fields going from base to base. As it was a short hop the pilots had their canopies slid back and open and when we heard the roar of the radial engines we would run out into the field to wave at the pilots. They would wave back and rock their wings as they passed. Aviators are BOSS!
As I used to work on the flight deck of USS Carl Vinson and F14s would fly over deck lower and break the sound barrier over us!!! Scared the crap out of us😂😂😂 but that's the sound of freedom!!!
@@Ernesto-sb5kh Nearly 300 billion dollars of debt & wasted money, so much freedom, so free, woo hoo....
@@xPeopleKindx I don't understand how people like you don't understand this still. All this stuff counts towards training hours. These flights have to take place anyways. It requires hours of planning (part of the training time and requirement) to organize the flight plan, identify the markers, and then show up on time (time on target). This could simulate a strike attack, or maybe here as the aircraft were dirty (gear down) a simulated approach to a ship/field. This stuff has to happen for the pilots and aircraft to stay current, otherwise it requires even more time and cost to get re-certified rather than maintaining a qualification.
@@matthewziegler3387 you missed my point entirely lmfao I'm not reading all that bullshit America isnt free
@@matthewziegler3387Don’t even bother
I rarely ever experience a flyby at a sporting event, but when I do ... THIS is what I want! I want to see the pilots so I can wave back at them. Bravo!! ✌
The RAAF just had their Riverfire practice day today in Brisbane, they were waving! It happens every year, the C-17 is more spectacular than the Super Hornets/Growlers. It literally danced between buildings.
Glad our tax dollars are entertaining for you. A few hundred thousand bucks so two airplanes can fly over a football stadium in 3 seconds so you can wave to them. Cooool!
@@FilosophicalPharmer
@@FilosophicalPharmerwe paid for the damn planes, we wanna see them flying
@@FilosophicalPharmerIt's a recruiting tool. Marketing. Without things like this we would have a lot less people signing up to serve. It also boosts patriotism, plus the tax payers get to see in person what they're paying for. Not to mention they need to fly hours to stay sharp anyway, might as well have some of those hours be for things like this. Many reasons for this, and I support it.
We used to get an F-16 flyover every year at Fresno State before the home football game closest to Veterans Day. Their was an Air National Guard wing nearby at the Fresno/Yosemite International Airport. Around 2005 or 2006 the four F-16s came by perfectly and right on time. At half time the four pilots were in the end zone and the camera went on each one as they were introduced by name one at a time. The crowd stood and applauded after which the announcer said "...and all four of these pilots here today completed their ROTC training and graduated from Fresno State!" The place went bat-shit crazy.
Why did the place go crazy? I guess in missing something or don’t understand some context.
Pride. They all went to our university. None of them were USAFA or from any other college. They were alumnus of the college that they just overflew. The crowd loved it and ate it up. @@miloelite
Thank you. I understand now. What a cool experience.
They are Naval Aviators and they are supposed to have balls, don't punish them for being awesome. That flyby ruled!
It's time to buzz the tower.
How do you know they were Navy? Marines fly F-18’s also and usually not smart enough to know how to read a altimeter
@@robertdigby4504 The term Naval Aviators encompasses both Marine and Navy pilots. Those jets are Navy because they are rhinos and the USMC doesn't operate rhinos
They’re supposed to be professionals. They didn’t act like professionals.
Ikr?
One of the reasons those pilots got in so much trouble is because, as it turns out, they did NOT do that on purpose. They used the incorrect instrumentation to determine their altitude, resulting in a fly-by much lower than they intended. Barometric pressure tells you how far above sea level you are. Radar tells you how far above ground level you are. They were supposed to be on radar, but they were on barometric, so they thought they were a lot further from the ground than they actually were. That's a pretty serious error.
Edit(5 days and 573 likes after original post): Folks this is not my opinion, this is the finding of the Navy Evaluation Board which investigated this incident. If you think they did this on purpose, that just makes them even stupider than if it was an accident! They were permanently grounded for this fly-by. PERMANENTLY! They would have known that could happen! But they did it anyway? NO! They screwed up! Both planes had their instrumentation misconfigured for the stunt they were performing. And, yes, that makes sense, because in a situation like this the lead pilot tells the following pilot what to do, and the following pilot just does it. Look up the 1982 Indian Springs Thunderbirds crash to see how much good a pilot's eyes do at determining altitude. (Hint-they don't) An entire flight flew their planes straight into the ground at full speed because they were watching the lead pilot, and his plane malfunctioned. 4 pilots were killed, 3 of them without ever knowing it was coming.
On a perfectly clear day.......no one was in any danger.
They were both Alumni, flying over their school. So, they took the wings of both of them....even though one of them did 3 tours in Afghanistan, with the last being grounded.
LIBERALS.......now, the military is "lowering it's standards."
That makes sense..
Barometric also can show altitude/height over the ground (and not the sea level) It's called QFE. All they had to do is use the correct QFE and they would have been good. Or you can still use QNH (sea level) and add the terrain elevation+ the height you want to be above that field and still be good. Many ways to skin that cat, if this is really what happened it was a gross error, I suspect it's an excuse they gave for mitigating their case. Plus they should have seen from their eyes there were way below the normal height above ground for a pass so something is really fishy here.
@@12345fowler QFE would have required a weather station at the location, otherwise QFE would have been just been a guess. I also hadn't heard of QFE being used outside an airport environment.
@@BuildTheFutureYouWant To slow down
Coolest....flyover....EVER. Hats off to those guys.
@@aluisious stay at home in your bubble with your mask on. you will be safe there.
@@aluisiousso an engine failure 200 feet or 2000 higher in altitude would insure no one on the ground would get hurt? You're a fking numbnuts
@@aluisiousfar safer than driving a car numb nuts. Thousands die everyday in car crashes. Don’t get you panties in a wad worrying over something that might happen but didn’t.
They were late, too low, and they have landing gear down (which is an odd thing for a flyover). Wingman held nice positioning though. 4 out of 10.
@@briankeeley6464We got ourselves and aviation expert here!
Was a kid in navy housing, just outside NAS Norfolk, when the Blue Angels were F4 Phantoms. Had two fly over the housing complex close enough to read the numbers under the wings. Wasn’t expecting it, so it scared the crap out of me. Still awesome as hell.
I wish I could have seen them in the F4s just once. My first time seeing them was the first year they got into the F-18s.
Grew up in VB next to Oceana, and yeah man, we'd go crazy watching those Blue Angels Phantoms fly over. Seems like they were tree top high 😄
They were even louder as Phantoms then they are now as Hornets.
My wife and I used to go over to NAS NORVA to see the F-14's come in. We'd be at the approach end of the runway and they'd fly over us. So cool!
I was 13 years old when this video uploaded and now its recommended to everyone
I'm from the UK and attended a home game for US Navy vs Texas Christians. This was around 2000, the two aircraft descended into the stadium, we were in the upper rows and were looking down on the aircraft, couldn't belive what I was watching. I've searched the Internet for images but it was in days before smart phones so haven't found any. Most impressive event I've ever seen and I'm not an aircraft buff.
Just pulled video up on TH-cam. . Try again
why you lying british guy
Is this it? th-cam.com/video/4ufA8j3XAhc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xJ8KTu54p4bsNeGK
Used to be some awesome F16 flyovers at Michigan International Speedway by the Selfridge Air National Guard. Usually twice; once at "low" speed the 2nd with full afterburners on! It was worth the price of admission!
I used to cycle through the Metro parl nearby when they were practicing for the air show, and it was incredible.
trust me they would not be at full afterburner anywhere below 25000 feet
@@sn1p3s29 On the 2nd pass they'd come in over the top of the grandstands and go vertical until they disappeared into the wild blue with blue/orange flame coming out of the tail about the length of the plane. If that wasn't the AB, then it was full throttle. Regardless, it was pretty awesome to see and feel!
Awesome catch man! Would you be okay with me featuring this in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description.
Yoooooo, it’s the man himself!
ayo?
Have at it. For more to enjoy
hey Lucass I watch your video's all the time. I have a great video idea for you to show on your channel. You could show everyone how my balls lifted off of your forehead this past tuesday. : )
Sick!
They never get old. One of the best I ever saw was the 2011 Rose Bowl between TCU and Wisconsin. Four ship diamond formation of F-18s.
Also love watching videos of fighters engine startup, taxiing out and taking off from civilian airfields.
it was probably the blue angels that flew over that game
The 2006 NC at the rose bowl we got B-52 bombers fly by. That was freakin amazing.
Mav, you were 9,861 feet below the hard deck, get outta that flight gear and get your butt up to Viper's office, now.
“And that’s how I became a Major Airline pilot”
Their phones were probably ringing off the hook the same day with invitations to come interview. haha
@@mayhewfisher62 very very much doubt... airlines acutally like guys with good judgement not hotshots.
@cusbrar1 definitely, but desperate times, desperate measures. Haha.
Thank you algorithm for bringing this on my front page after 13 years. I'm sure they're no longer grounded, but probably retired. 😂
Ha! Best comment so far! Yeah, youtube promoted this one out of left field.
American Airpower. Wow. Stops me everytime. Nothing is more awesome to see than jets flying over. Truly impressive. Has to be one of the best flyovers I have EVER seen!
And so they could land in the stadium, if necessary, without too much bother.
@@kevanmallison8610 BS
@@kevanmallison8610these are not VTOL aircraft.
@@Globbs they're not Klingon Tic Tacs?
The Super Bowl flyover costs taxpayers about $80,000 in gas and other operational costs.Jan 28, 2020
Nothing worth losing their wings for. That's absurd, if true. When I was a kid they used to fly LOW at air shows, unlike today. They're so damn risk-averse now, that fly-overs are so high you might not be sure it even happened. Reprimand? Okay. Temporary grounding? Extreme. Take their wings? Absurd.
There is a problem if you were ordered not to.I think it was awesome but the commanders don't need cowboys up there.
Those same Air Shows killed a lot of pilots and spectators.
@@RBMK-ym4dm Actually, not true. As many if not more spectators and pilots are killed today.
Ever hear of the Cavalese disaster? Yes it was. Stupidity like this can easily take lives. They are risk averse because they have literally been responsible for murdering civilians with negligence.
This was some time ago, and the reason they lost their wings was this wasn't intentional. They had misconfigured their aircraft to use barometric altitude instead of radar altitude, resulting in a much lower pass than they intended. USN Evaluation board published a report on it. Ever since the Thunderbirds "diamond" crash they take this stuff really seriously.
I was standing on a flight line about 50 yards off a runway when two of these did this once. I learned the hard way the slower and lower the louder.
Those boys took it" below the hard deck!! "
Never ever gets old. Nice job catching them coming in.
Thanks, I felt like I picked out a decent spot.
I lived on Peterson after for 3 years and I've lived by Randolph afb for 15 years and I can honestly say I have seen this and still see this in my neighborhood Monday thru Friday and it makes me proud to live in the U.S.A.!!!!!
When I was a kid, a very active Air Guard Squadron operated here. They always flew so low us kids could clearly make out the oxygen mask and helmets the pilots were wearing, they would come in low and slow and actually wave back at us! I recall when they were transitioning from The RF-101 Voodoo to the RF-4C Phantoms....watching a Voodoo & Phantom flying in formation was awesome! A lot of different birds came through our area due to our location, at that time, to all the active military posts , Air Refueling orbits and Gunnery Ranges located around. Saw all kinds of birds low and slow. If they did that today thise pilots would get grounded and probably lose their wings ...I am fortunate to have seen the sights I saw.
I got goosebumps watching this. Can’t imagine being there. 💪💪
The Super Bowl flyover costs taxpayers about $80,000 in gas and other operational costs.Jan 28, 2020
@@robertdouglas8895 and?? You pay taxes for a lot of other things that you can never enjoy. Might as well enjoy your tax dollars at work for an amazing flyover.
I never get tired of watching this video.
Now that's a fly by. great job.
Maverick style. Top Gun.
Give the pilots a damn medal for all the pure patriotism they alone gave every person in that stadium!
The power of those engines is insane
Naval Academy graduation week... the practice days beforehand are great entertainment... graduation fly-over, so cool... worked near the stadium.
Salute!! Love our military.
Looked it up and I think the lead pilot flies for NASA now
That was an AWESOME fly by!
So after 13 years this video pops out of hibernation and appears in everyone’s timeline?
@ObamaFromKenya are they still grounded 🤓
Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.
Perfectly timed with the anthem's ending.
I was at a race at Road America in Elkhart Lake WI during the early 70's - a military jet fighter (identifying it was impossible as it came by so suddenly) came over the pits during practice low and slow and then pulled up with afterburners lit. It went straight up and was gone. Word was that some Air Force officer was racing that weekend, and this was a gesture..
A lot of people jumped. One guy had his head under the hood of his car and bumped it pretty good trying to get a look.
I remember being at an Air Force Academy football game and a B1-Bomber flew so low and fast, it broke windows in the stadium box and set off many car alarms. It was killer!
Ahh, this would be the best low pass for me, what a peace of work from these two pilots!!!
The Super Bowl flyover costs taxpayers about $80,000 in gas and other operational costs.Jan 28, 2020
I’ll never forget the flyover the night Georgia Tech played Notre Dame. 9-11 was still on everyone’s mind and you could hear a pin drop as the pilot flew over. He was low. He did get a standing ovation after he came on the field at halftime.
Retired Army Aviator here. Those guys are waaaaaayyy up there. 😆
Correct me if I'm wrong, but FAA rules state that all aircraft must maintain a height of 1,000 feet above any structure. It looks like the hotel past the flyby, they were only about 50 feet above it. That is probably why the pilots were grounded.
Sound of freedom! Bravo
That is so cool and the pilots did a fine job. No need to be grounded just for giving a huge thrill for the fans in the stadium .
I agree, but if they deviated from orders that is completely unacceptable. They are fighter pilots not two tards from Moto t.
Dang, they both did lose their wings over this, crazy.
As a formal naval aviator, I am waving the BS flag on this one. No way they lost their wings.
They probably got chewed out
@@sparkypksdefinitely got captains mast.
Only if the official in the upper booth spilled his coffee LOL
They gave you extra seconds to enjoy them instead of flying by so fast it's a blip... This is the way to do it!!
I live not even 10 minutes away from an F15 base and i get these types of flyovers every day, but it never gets old. its especially funny when we have people from out of town visit and they see a flyover and think something is wrong.
Stunning capture! May I feature this low pass in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. All the best to you!
Most if not all cities that have a military airfield stationed in them have a noise ordinance that the military must follow. I was in a Marine squadron of F18 in the Marine Corps in Beaufort S.C. They cant fly below a certain altitude, speed or past a certain time at night. We had to have ALL jets landed by 11pm sharp. So i'm willing to bet this was pushed from the city more than the military itself.
Talk about an absolutely Sissified, Flake-ass Wallflower city government (if that's the case).
Spilled milk is now a felony. INSTEAD the lads oughtta be Saluted, Standing, then invited for drinks and dinner and autographs, if agreeable enough or at the pilots' convenience. End of story.
It has nothing to do with city rules. The law of the land is they are not suppose to fly under 1000 feet according to the base commander at the time
You’re right but there is quiet hour waivers if necessary
Sorry, i was in the military, i knew the rules, but you can keep arguing with yourself.@@CraigGrant-sh3in
@@smoothlyrough512 you're also being an ass lmao
1:17 Imagine relaxing on the roof patio on that building and having the guy next to you scream "Bin Laden strikes again!" a few times.
"Negative Ghostrider, the pattern is full"
Once upon a time a long time ago in the late 50’s when I was a boy and shep was a pup, six jets (who knows what kind) pasted over our rural small house at near treetop level each breaking the sound barrier. For a poor Missouri country kid it was the most exciting thing ever
These guys are trained to land on a moving aircraft carrier. I'm sure they can handle flying in a straight line. It's like every time there's a party, someone on the block just has to complain.
Getting the timing right of the song to sync with planes and vice versa is precise. The planes fly a lot, flew a long way to get there, why would they suddenly have a problem in the 1 second it took to fly over the stadium.
"Tower, request permission to buzz the everything...". Awesome flyover!!!!
Negative Ghostrider, the pattern is full, ( pours cup of coffee)
I think that these pilots were actually grounded because of how low they were because they were using the wrong altimeter
Depending on exactly where you are, Atlanta is roughly 1,050 ft above mean sea level. If they flew in 1,000 ft above sea level, maybe we're fortunate they didn't slam into the North Stands!?!
I wonder if the same crews will be doing the UGAG flyover?
They have to be a thousand feet ABOVE THE GROUND moron.
Wake Forest is about 300 ft above sea level. Except for departure and landing, planes need to be 1,000 ft above in urban areas (like a big a** college football game). If that was 300 feet, I would be surprised. That looked like a high angle pass, so lower after-burners at the end. If one of those engines would have went out (and they do)...., oooh wee...
The hard deck for this hop was 10,000 ft. They knew, they broke it. They followed commanded Heatherly below after he lost sight of them and called no joy.
They’re wildcards. Fly by the seat of their pants.
Thats right Ice, I am dangerous.
Brilliant, mate
"Gentleman, you had a helluva first day...Top Gun rules exist for the safety of ....They are not flexible, nor am I."
I wondered how many comments before we got the Maverick and Goose comments. Very appropriate though.
Thats Mr. Iceman to you@@overkillblackjack2910
We have a friend that has a beach house in Fort Morgan Alabama. Many moons ago back in the 1980’s we used to go stay during the off season after Labor Day or before school let out late May. Early morning we would hear the roar of the engines of the Blue Angels. We would run out to the water line on the beach and watch them practicing. To us it seemed as though they looked for people on the beach to perform in front of. When they found us they would pass and tip their wings at us. Sometimes they would turn the smoke on as they passed by. We loved every minute of it. We would alway go see them at air shows whenever we saw there was a show nearby. For some reason it gives a sense of pride watching them.
Technically the flying was unsafe, it was too low, but it was an innocent mistake. The Admiral deemed it purposeful flat hatting and they were FENAB'd and lost their wings. Furthermore, I actually fly jets for the Navy and know people that were friends with those guys. So yes, they got screwed.
Serious question, how was that an innocent mistake? What part of that was unintentional?
I'm amused that someone was critical of your response a decade ago, on a 13 year old post, and actually expected you to respond. 😆
And "inncocent mistake"? lol
How the f-k do you not know what altitude you should be at and yet are not?
You have about 4 different devices giving you your altitude in that cockpit.
@@manhalen7046 those devices dont all give you the same altitude
This stadium is downtown Atlanta, not a small or medium
Univ town. Their glide path was nowhere to anywhere safe.
That was awesome and we do it at Kyle Field all the time so makes me wonder what the hard deck is on a stadium fly over !
I read about this. They had an assigned altitude that they were supposed to do the flyover at, both of them used their barometers (which measures air pressure, which gives you your elevation above sea level) instead of the system that uses radar to measure your distance from the ground. As a result, they were flying much lower there than they were supposed to. Needless to say, that is a really bad fuck up.
The hard deck is there for your protection.
Nice angle! You could see them coming...We were clueless until they came over the North stands! Afterburners at that low altitude would've blown out eardrums. Had to be about 200ft and lowest I've ever seen for a flyover. Maybe because the pilots were Tech Grads & we got a special treat?
What'd you shoot that with? I've got an older dig camera that shoots video, but I always end up with horrible video. I want to upgrade so I can get some video that looks as good as yours!
sonic booms "blow out" ear drums, Afterburners just give you a small case of Tinnitus, if that was the case there would be endless cases of this for every airshow where burners are used excessively for show.
Plus, it was one pass, and they were not in burners. I was there. they only kicked burners on their peel and climb out AFTER passing the crowd to resume MSA.
Although aggressive, risk-taking, low, slow jockeying is great for wartime. It's not outside of the battle space. Rules and regs are in place to moderate pilot behavior and prevent tragedy. Just because they are confident about pushing the envelope does not mean that miscalculations and changing conditions don't happen.
NICE SHOT! Awesome video!
The best is the flyover before TCU at NAVY. It's on YT.
this vid has amazing resolution; you have an awesome cam. GO TECH! and GO NAVY!
Go Army, beat Navy
What's the big deal!
Who is the jerk who turned them in?
I remember partying in Key West in 1979. Our accomodations were Boyd's Campground on the runway approach to the Naval Air Station. Those jets were just as close or closer.
Great show!
Great flying and I would've loved to have seen it, but I have to agree that the rules exist for big-time safety reasons. Flying that low over a stadium with thousands of people below, no margin for error or mechanical problem. Very bad PR for the Navy if a jet should experience a problem and slam into an occupied stadium. Genuinely sorry the pilots lost their wings.
Plus downtown Atlanta right there.
@@threenumbnuts i was there, they broke away literally after this video cut off and resumed MSA For City Flights. there was no MSA Violations to the City and they had the exemption for MSA to setup and fly the low pass below the mandated 2500 AGL required for anything other than LE and Medical Flights to pass over and directly through the city.
I'm not sorry for them, they fucked around and found out. They are instructed over and over not to do shit like this.
they didn't lose their wings because their command was pranking them. This was stupid.@@CapStar362
Doubt they lost their wings. More than likely a safety briefing and a week off the flight schedule
Give the men their wings back. It’s a testament to how incredibly skilled our pilots are. I sleep like a Baby at night knowing that I have guys like this protecting my life and freedoms . Wish I was there to see that. Incredible . I salute 🫡 you. Even if your “Higher Ups” won’t
Only thing to make it better is put the landing gear up and have the afterburners firing.
How do you know they were grounded? This looks like a normal, very well-executed low fly-by.
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Good question:
www.pilotonline.com/2010/03/19/low-flyover-lands-two-oceana-pilots-in-hot-water-2/#:~:text=PUBLISHED%3A%20March%2019%2C%202010%20at,Tech%20football%20game%20last%20year.
@RunEthernet I hate the Virginia Pilot so much. They are horribly political and then demand payment for articles. However, I'll accept this proof and eat humble pie for saying otherwise. I couldn't find the NATOPS guidance for stadium specific flyovers.
There really is nothing more majestic and inspiring than a flyover at the end of an anthem. I get chills EVERY. TIME.
Considering the law is pretty clear here for stadium flyovers… min 1000 ft higher than the highest obstacle within a 2200 ft radius. Yep, they certainly smashed that one.
But these pilots are the best of the best of the best of the best....
Maverick at it again
It was definitely the most exciting thing that ever happened at that stadium. Goooo Dawgs!
I remember the first time i saw a fly over at our stadium i was on top row (not going to lie, i had some final destination vibes going on) and jets flew over and besides the sound of the engine and deafness for about 30 seconds it was awesome to see fighters fly over.
Good god folks…this was 14 years ago. You should have seen the P51 “low passes” over the Rhine Valley in 1945. (Just as relevant 😜)
There are plenty of low passes done these days... but its planned ahead, the problem with these guys is they didn't follow the plan correctly and thus were too low relative to were they were supposed to be and it was 100% their fault.
That was awesome! Those guys should keep their wings
I think that flyover was awesome‼️Personally I would love it if they all were like that.
How was this uploaded 13 years ago and im just seeing it now
TH-cam really blew off the mothballs for this one.
"The board concluded the pilots chose to use barometric altitude measurements (feet above sea level) instead of radar altitude measurements (feet above ground level) but failed to adjust their warning systems accordingly, the newspaper reported. By the time the alarm sounded, it was too late to correct the mistake"
😂…sounds good to someone that hasn’t ‘been there, done that’. As experienced aviators, their ‘Mark 1, Mod 1’ eyeballs would tell them they were lower than the Command approved, fly-over altitude if that was really the case. Great fly by, however!
@@dennymontgomery9716 Yeah they would of been well aware of how high they were above the ground especially with all the visual references to go by lol.
Having said that I've seen various Hornet pilots do this in Australia at various events.
As a 40 plus year pilot, teaching low flying, this is NOT low flying, both aircraft are flying straight and level several hundred feet above the ground, and while its less than FAA minimus, these guys normally have permitts to fly over crowds at these sorts of altitudes. Its very different to say Air Show low flying where the manoeuvers must be clear and a way from the spectators. Its a lot safer than say being under an aircraft on approach to land or after takeoff, and every city every day has big jets at this sort of hight climing up away from an airport.
Lets hope their grouding did not last long.
Thank you for interjecting good and calm thoughts. If their landing gears would have knocked down a stack of stadium lights, well, maybe write them up, but they never ever got close.
Their egos were writing checks their bodies can't cash. 🤣
Looked like a target rich environment
I was at a sporting event in Colorado when I was a kid and some fighter jets sonic boomed us. It seemed like they were so close. It was awesome.
Flyovers at Navy games are always awesome. They come in very low there.
Maybe show up late if they have a female pilot scheduled
The Super Bowl flyover costs taxpayers about $80,000 in gas and other operational costs.Jan 28, 2020
@@SubParPilot You must think it was money well spent.
@@SubParPilot Over cities is the best place for a training lesson?
I never thought this flyover was that bad. I saw F-16s fly over the Rockingham, NC NASCAR track lower than this in the early 90s.
The Rock had some great flyovers. You remember the race where the army paratroopers jumping out of the plane when it was really windy, missed landing in the grass and they were bouncing off haulers and buildings in the infield? If I recall, a couple of them ended up being taken to the hospital
I am Australian but every time i hear a band play stars spangled banner i get goose bumps
We have fought together in many countries; we are fighting mates as you would say.
You guys need a revolution and get your guns back.
Sad that they ground them forever,they are damm good pilots and took a lot to train them and the navy throws it all away,sad😢
They aren’t good enough to respect the rules put in place for OUR safety. They thought it applies to others but not them?! That’s a slap in the face of us tax scam victims, and of their commanding officers
@@Romoto131 the review board said otherwise. they made a final report of neither malice nor wilful intent occurred on the pass. they used B-ALT rather than R-ALT as the source altitude which put them closer than expected, but neither showed malice or intent to willfully violate the rules.
The asshole of this was the Rear Admiral who was just being a hard liner dickhead. he completely ignored the review board, his job is to take in the recommendations which he did, and threw the entire review into the trash can.
The Navy also refuses to speak on this - because they know they are dead wrong here on behalf of this Rear Admiral - who by the way was later found drunk on duty, further into his career.
@@CapStar362 sad to have rear admirals like that.
Another comment says they were reinstated in 2010...
@@sproctor1958 google it, the rear admiral permanently grounded them, and Fryman and Condon were both permanently grounded and Fryman even deployed afterwards to Afghanistan, but without his wings.
That would have been so cool to see in person!✈🛩
Damn, they flying over in first gear, lol
It’s called slow flight, we pilots practice slow flight like coming in for a landing , u could see the wheels down….
@@2Greenlid yeah I saw quite a bit of it at air shows.
I know the f18 has to fly nose up to be doing less than 180?
LG down? Thinking about landing on the field possibly? 🤔
I was at that game!
Awesome game and Tech won.
I was also ! that was a badass game along with the low pass.
@ObamaFromKenya We were in the lower east stand so we were not as close as the people that sat on the upper stand.
@@guitrich i was just under and to the right of this video
I'd worry more about a student pilot in a 152.
They were both on military power (full throttle without afterburners). But the flyover was still incredibly ear splitting but one of the best fighter jet flypasts I’ve ever seen. 👏👏👏
no moron they were nowhere near full power at that speed; you don't use full power with the gear down. Another wannabe who thinks he knows alot about aircraft.
Wonder why they had landing gear down?
@@timburton9514 for show, nothing more.
I was there, it was one of the best and near perfectly timed passes ive been to.
NO Burners on flyover, but then on peel and climb out - yes they used burners to get speeds after gears up.
I say cause to retain enough altitude at their low speeds so they wouldn’t had crashed into those buildings
@@timburton9514 For show. They wanted to do a 'dirty' pass.
Yeah that was SO dangerous. DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. Seriously, wtf, grounded for that?
How many feet higher would they have needed to fly to not be grounded?