I appreciate that last minute appearance of the third cook kit. It’s pretty similar to mine. Toaks pot and the MSR Pocket Rocket. In the winter I still carry the old Jet Boil Mini Mo.
I have used the petril all summer and it is a beast. Boils as fast as anything else, blocks wind, locking lid. I use mine with the camping moon stove for basically wind proof performance. I have nested a smaller pot and cup into the Petril for a compact mess kit.
Which camping moon stove? Are you just using the 4 flex it comes with, or did you rig a 3 pot support? I had also read information on the Camping moon stove that they shouldn't be used with a heat exchanger pot for CO reasons. But what's been your experience? Obviously not cooking in your tent...
@@BackcountryExposure Yes I bought the soto tri-flex and it works well on the camping moon with petril pot. I do find it shoots flames out the sides on high but not much worse than other stoves. I don't boil in my tent but wouldn't be worried at all if I did, seems to still burn blue on high with petril pot so seemingly burning just as efficiently. I would think any combustion would create CO2 and CO and you don't want that to breathe in your tent.
I have all three "systems": Jetboil Zip, MSR Pocket rocket + titanium pot, and a Firemaple set (Petrel + Greenpeak). The last one I ordered after your review as the set looked like a perfect combination of simplicity and technology. And eventually I wasn't disappointed. I believe, Firemaple has just hit the spot with the set. It's well-made, light, fair-priced. On the same time, I'm really impressed with the MSR product as it brings a spirit of innovation to the outdoor market.
I think it’s beneficial for backpackers to have all three of these systems. The petrel is a great midweight mid efficiency option that can do most all your trips if you have to have only one. Great video devin
@@BackcountryExposure Yes I agree, as much as all of us gearheads would love to have options for every possible use-case, a system that's going to work well in many or most situations is needed for most casual hikers. That's the value of a modular option like the petrel. Great video!
That’s my setup as well when I’m out solo. I made it thru an 8 day section on the JMT and still had ~15% left of a small canister, heating up between 1.5 to 2 cups of water 3 times each day.
Fire maple is putting out some really nice affordable backpacking gear. I bought this same pot but paired it with their titanium hornet 2 stove. I compared it to my jetboil and for the price I think it is much better. Hence, the reason I don't own a jetboil now. I also have fire maples dandellion table as well. I actually got this setup not too long after they had dropped it earlier this year!!!
Different stoves for different reasons Fair Weather, Weekend backpacker, garage testing - the BRS wil work fine Longer trips, limited resupply with real world winds - Petrel withthe Soto WindMaster/ Greenpeak a good option Longer trips., limited resupply, brutal wind/weather - your just not going to beat an MSR WindBurner. 5 g to boil 500 ml / 6 g when the wind is howling. It is a beast. My 2 cents.
I've never used a system like Jetboil or Windburner but I can see a use for them. I like how secure they are. Less fuss if on like a windy mountain and just want to boil some water fast. I used the 1L Olicamp XTS for car camping during my Mt Whitney trip. The extra capacity is nice and I like butterfly style handles. If the Petrel had butterfly handles I would think about picking it up. It's a lot heavier than my titanium system so it's tough buy. Most of the time I just don't need to boil water super fast. I set the burner on the Windmaster so low I can't really hear it lol. I'm still using the same 750ml titanium pot I've been using for years. Everything fits in it with different configurations. Sometimes I'll nest the canister with stove & lighter. Or nest the double wallled Ti mug or cold soaking jar with stove & lighter.
I got the Petrel to replace my 1L GSI pot and its paired with my original MSR Pocket Rocket. I haven't looked back the boil time and fuel consumption to boil 400ml of water was much different. The handle design I love in that it snaps into place and also holds the lid down while in transport.
I started using the Petrel with the GreenPeak stove this summer and haven't taken my Jetboil out since. I even sold my Jetboil stash. I loved the system but the pot size was funky and no piezo ignitor
I'm excited to be trying out the petrel paired with a PRD this fall! Based on all I've read and watched, it should be extremely effiecient and very effective in cold and wind.
You are really making me think of getting a Fire Maple Pot and matching stove for my upcoming trip to RMNP. What was the difference in boil times and fuel consumed when the fans were blowing on the pots/burners? I'd be curious to see how much more fuel efficient the MSR is in the wind!
I have both the Petrel pot paired with the Soto Windmaster as well as a MSR Windburner. I am glad I have both. The Windburner is bombproof. If i am out with my family or a couple of kids I always bring the Windburner because I am repeatedly boiling multiple cups of water for everyone. When by myself I am taking the petrel pot, it is just so much smaller and lighter. The comparison I would like to see is the same stove, but using different pots (titanium pot vs basic aluminum pot vs petrel pot) of similar size.
Stove vids dropped on the same day! 😂 Was your boil test with the fan on? I was able to do 2 cups with around 6g of fuel pretty consistently with the Fire Maple set up. My lid doesn’t stick and I’ve had at least one test where the o-ring wasn’t sealed so it’s interesting how varied our testing has gone. It’s a great combo for the price but I prefer to have a regulator.
And Justin just dropped one too! ha ha ha! I just ordered the Camping Moon XD-2-NE stove that has a regulator for $32. I'll be curious how it does as it does have a regulator.
The Petrel is my favorite new gear for 2024 for its bang for the buck! I've been using it with my 8yr old snowpeak litemax and it's awesome. Haven't bought a windburner, but you should try the FM X2 pro and get your backwoods cooking on
Oh interesting to use it with the Lite Max. I'd be sure the pot helps that stove have way better wind performance. I was pretty unimpressed with the Lite Max. Continually had issues with the stove only partially lighting.
I think the regulator in the stove is one of the main differences here.... In some conditions the regulator can make a bid difference. If you get the Fire Maple Petrel pot and pair it with SOTO Windmaster (with TriFlex pot support) then you get best of both, and it will still be cheaper than MSR Windburner. I have the MSR Windburner and love it, but it is bigger and heavier that I would like. Also, Fire Maple has a stove called Polaris that has a regulator, I would like to test that with this Petrel G3 pot in some serious conditions outside.
I'd consider cutting up an aluminum can, removing the top and bottom and splitting it into a sheet, then wrapping it around the outside of the fire maple. Then if it's windy you just slide down the wind shield. A tallboy would work best, but if you find something with a bigger diameter than a standard can then that'd be even more better. My ideal would be a 750ml with heat exchanger and substantial grip (like the Firemaple) but compatible with the BRS (which the Firemaple pot is not).
I recently upgraded from a $20 Amazon stove (not BRS, an older one, similar in price and size, slightly better performance stats) to the pocket rocket deluxe. What's impressed me most is the effect of a regulator in cooler temperatures. That added to the built in wind resistance makes a big difference in boil time and fuel use. So while I can see the value of an all in one system like the wind burner in certain technical situations, a stove with a regulator and a pot like the petrel would probably provide more versatility.
I would agree with you in a lot of cases. For general use specifically, you're totally right. It's when you get into much more technical situations that a system like the Reactor becomes nice to have for snow melt, or high elevations, etc. But for simple versatility even the Petrel with the Polaris or Soto Windmaster is a slick kit for a stove with regulator. Pocket Rocket Deluxe too.
I agree the FM is a great value and seems to be well made. I modded the bottom of the cup slightly so it would work with my BRS. Try it and you’ll be shocked at the boil efficiency. That said, part of the utility of a flat bottom cup is it can be put in a fire if needed to boil water thereby serving both for meals and emergency water treatment.
I always enjoy your videos. This one was like asking will my double mountaineering boots be overkill for my summer Utah canyon hike? These two stoves are built for two different missions. I have the Windburner for my winter mountaineering and my BSR and titanium pot for fast and light 3 season. I enjoy your content of products for items intended for very similar purposes. Will the firemaple fin cutout match on the BSR?
Thanks! I try to present info to help others make better choices on the use cases of products. The BRS will work if you bend the pot supports to be the right angle to fit into the slots. But you can also certainly put the pot on the stove without being in the slots. :)
@BackcountryExposure You are the man!! I agree, not everyone has the same level of experience. If I was new this would be super helpful. Good job keeping everyone included at all skills levels!
You did not look at using a simple wind shield to see if you can get an efficiency improvement for the FireMaple or BRS stove. The weight penalty would also be minimal.
Hi Devin, would it not be more meaningful to compare the fire maple setup against the Jetboil stash? That at least to me would be an apples to apples comparison. On another thought, does the Soto triplex + Windmaster stove fit the Petrol pot?
@@simplywanda1065 if I had a stash I would totally do that comparison as well. If I can find one I’ll definitely consider it. Yes, the triflex on the Windmaster is a great combo! I’m going to do a short comparing the Windmaster vs green peak with the petrel for time and efficiency.
BRS and a toaks titanium pot. I am trying to reduce my exposure to aluminum, and I understand that even anodized aluminum slowly dissolves in boiling water.
In another video, you mention that the petrel pot fits most standard 3-support stoves. That greenpeak stove looks like it's the knock-off of the MSR Pocket Rocket deluxe. Have you done a comparison of these two stoves using the petrel pot?
For me, it’s about weight and bulk- for peak bagging and high output trips I use the BRS 3000 and Toaks 550 UL version. For most other trips, I use the Soto Amicus and Toaks 750ml. That being said the Soto stove is leagues better than the BRS in in performance, output, etc. only downside is it’s almost 2 1/2 times the weight.
I wonder if the FireMaple pot would mate with the Soto Windmaster w/ the Triplex pot support. That would mean you have a regulated burner w/ somewhat better wind protection.
So petrel pot, MSR pocket rocket deluxe or SOTO stove cost is more but how does it compare? A lot of use have one or the other…. Just not the Petrel yet.
Fuel efficiency and boil times are contradictory goals! If you want maximum fuel efficiency you dial back the burner to say 40% output, biu this then leads to a longer boil time. If you want the fastest boil time you then drastically reduce fuel efficiency. it's like running your car: to get there quickly you take a hit at the gas pump; to save your wallet at the gas pump you drive 55 and arrive later. You can't have both! In the end it depends what you need your stove for. If I'm solo thru hiking I want minimum weight and bulk so I choose accordingly. With a BRS and a Toaks 550 handleless pot I can nest a 110g canister, a bic lighter and a J-cloth inside it and the whole set-up is tiny and weighs only 97g (without the canister). With that 1 canister I could go 11-12 days between resupplies if I ever needed to (which I don't!). I run the BRS at 40% output; I shield it from the wind using my bag or a rock (or me!); I filter and then only need to heat (not boil) water to 75-80C to make any drink or rehydrate any meal. I never need even 8g of fuel to heat 550ml of water with my BRS - knowledge and experience are important! This is as light and efficient as it gets and way beats any Petrel/Windmaster/Jetboil combo you could ever dream of for that particular use case. Other use cases do vary I realise!
Devin, what would be a good 3 prong alternative to the green peak burner, that would maybe have a regulator, that would work with the fire maple petrol pot?
The Fire Maple Polaris and Soto Windmaster both have regulators and fit perfect. The pocket rocket deluxe can also work, but the pot supports are a little tighter in the slots.
550-650ml may be perfect for one person using only freeze dried food. It's also extremely inflexible in that it's not enough for two people at least if you want to eat at the same time. It's also small, certainly too small form when using cheaper non-freeze dried food I have to prepare in the pot. It's also very small for melting snow. Personally, I use 1-1.2 liter as the smallest pot I bring on the trail, making the Windburner usable but smaller than I ideally want. Of course if you can have one system for every occasion then a system with around 600ml is fine for those trips where you only need to boil water for one person or maybe make tea or coffee for two.
@@ZIIZ2112 Don't disagree. 600ml can work for many people as I wrote in my first comment. But it's important to consider your own usage and preferences or you might have to get a larger one later and the cost is fairly high.
I never crank up my stove to max. It's much more fuel efficient to use low/medium heat and I really don't care about the boil time. It would be interesting to see the fuel consumption with all stoves at low heat.
Understandable. I think the difference in fuel consumption would be much less pronounced if the stoves were run at low heat. I still think Jetboil would win but at 8/10g fuel consumption per boil I would often have to bring a bigger fuel canister, or two small ones, for the Fire Maple/BRS, but not for the Jetboil, which would negate most of the weight savings when using the lighter systems. However I think the fuel consumption of the three systems are much more comparable in a real world scenario where you run them at lower heat, so the Fire Maple or BRS/Toaks systems would overall be the lighter if you include the fuel you have to bring. BRS/Toaks would probably win but if there's often a bit of wind I would go with Fire Maple.
For me the added weight of the Petrel compared to the Toaks is worth the weigt, given the fact that ilt requires less fuel for a multidays trip. But MSR is just too heavy that is difficult to justify (excepted perhaps for multi-weeks/monhts trips where the weight of the fuel is the only relevant aspect). Regarding the burner, I just bent the supporting parts of the brs-3000t (lot lighter than the Greenpeak) to make it compatibel with the Petrel pot and this combination is in my opinion a pretty good compromise between weight and efficiency. The remaining question is regarding wind protection. I'm quite sure that adding a ultra-thin titanium wind shield could make sense in order to improve the efficiency and again reduce the overall required fuel weight.
I guess you´r absolutely in love with the PETREL & GREEN PEAK as it looks like your 4th/5th Video on it ?! ;) However, due to weight in the past i used the ´ X-Boil´- System with Titanium Mug in Summer on the other Hand i prefer my STERNO INFERNO Pot with SOTO AMICUS but i´m satisfied about the PETREL Pot so i´ve ordered one at ´ A ´ for less than 23,-- € ( i´ll think approx. less than 21,-- $ ). The GREEN PEAK i ordered at ´ Ali ´ for less than 18,-- € ( approx. 16,- $ ). All have a good time there, best rgds. from Germany ;)
Thanks for a really good video! I myself started with a Soto Windmaster and a Toaks 750ml. Not a bad combo, but bought the MSR Windburner after realising that the Soto used quite a lot of fuel in high wind (despite its name). Love the Windburner but it is slightly on the heavy side. Therefore got a Petrel HX pot to use with the Windmaster. It was what I used on a 9 day hike this summer. It is a good compromise. I think you sum it up really well - How important is the weight of the cooking system itself vs fuel efficiency and wind resistance.
There are a number of measurable topics of concern for every stove, that determine its "value" for you. Value is not highly regulated by price alone. How many people are you cooking for? How much water do you typically need to boil at a time for a meal? Value is more related to your total cook kit (stove, pot/s, windscreen if needed, and weight of fuel canister, amount of fuel used) for your use/s, what everything cost, and how many years the stove serves you well. "Boil time" is always related to maximum heat out put (BTUs) by the stove under windless conditions at lower altitude, plus how the stove design places the hottest part of the flame near the surface of the pot used, size of the pot base, the heat conductivity of the pot used, and the amount of water boiled. Better stoves are designed to greatly limit the effect of wind all by themselves, without any additional form of windscreen . This improves heat transfer, increases boil time, reduces fuel used, and thusly reduces overall weight. Neither of these stoves do that by themselves. Both require a special windscreen, which is not part of the stove design itself, yet is an additional weight added to the system. Fuel efficiency for wind, altitude and water volume. The higher the altitude (less air) the less efficient almost all stove are. A rare few have a regulator that adjusts the fuel to air mixture. It does start using more fuel, but heat efficiency remains higher, almost the same at any altitude. Few people add in the measurable weight of the fuel consumed to cook a meal. This can add up quickly over a trip, require carrying more fuel, and will affect the value of any stove. Cook Systems. Most of us need a stove, a cook pot, a drinking mug, some times a wider base depending on surface conditions (like sand, rocky, or snow), fuel canister/s, eating utensil/s, and a drawstring bag for all the above. Total weight. Size, weight, and volume in your pack. The more efficient "cook systems" are smaller, nestle together (one in the other), quicker to set up, faster to boil the amount of water you need, use less fuel, and are well design and durable. They take up less volume inside your pack and weight less. Value. One stove that rises to the top of stove reviews year after year is the SOTO Micro Windmaster Regulator. This stove a well fuel regulated, wind resistant flame thrower, with exceptionally good temperature control down to simmers. Stove alone weights 2.1 oz.. A .55 - .65 liter Ti pot (Toaks or Evernew) and lid weigh 2 - 2.1 oz. Total 4.5 oz.
Mildly infuriating - you had them both on the table and didn't try out if the MSR cup fits around the petrel pot 😉 - (which would be great since MSR sells them separately)
i personally don't like titles when they say "is this the end of "X" and "company"" I mean it's fine if you want to just say that about the product but a company especially like MSR who offers more than just that one thing.... doesn't mean that company is done for, that product line maybe.... but your implying that b/c that product is bad the company is going to close as well.... just click bait.... irritating...
I appreciate that last minute appearance of the third cook kit. It’s pretty similar to mine. Toaks pot and the MSR Pocket Rocket. In the winter I still carry the old Jet Boil Mini Mo.
I have used the petril all summer and it is a beast. Boils as fast as anything else, blocks wind, locking lid. I use mine with the camping moon stove for basically wind proof performance. I have nested a smaller pot and cup into the Petril for a compact mess kit.
Which camping moon stove? Are you just using the 4 flex it comes with, or did you rig a 3 pot support? I had also read information on the Camping moon stove that they shouldn't be used with a heat exchanger pot for CO reasons. But what's been your experience? Obviously not cooking in your tent...
Are you using the Soto Triflex with the Camping Moon XD-2F stove?
@@olivern4784 Yes the triflex from soto fits exactly onto the camping moon stove and works great.
@@BackcountryExposure Yes I bought the soto tri-flex and it works well on the camping moon with petril pot. I do find it shoots flames out the sides on high but not much worse than other stoves. I don't boil in my tent but wouldn't be worried at all if I did, seems to still burn blue on high with petril pot so seemingly burning just as efficiently. I would think any combustion would create CO2 and CO and you don't want that to breathe in your tent.
I have all three "systems": Jetboil Zip, MSR Pocket rocket + titanium pot, and a Firemaple set (Petrel + Greenpeak). The last one I ordered after your review as the set looked like a perfect combination of simplicity and technology. And eventually I wasn't disappointed. I believe, Firemaple has just hit the spot with the set. It's well-made, light, fair-priced. On the same time, I'm really impressed with the MSR product as it brings a spirit of innovation to the outdoor market.
Good system, I wish they offered a 600ml and an 800ml option
I think it’s beneficial for backpackers to have all three of these systems. The petrel is a great midweight mid efficiency option that can do most all your trips if you have to have only one. Great video devin
There's definitely the benefits of having several options. Most people thought I think benefit from a solid one and done system though. Thank you!
@@BackcountryExposure Yes I agree, as much as all of us gearheads would love to have options for every possible use-case, a system that's going to work well in many or most situations is needed for most casual hikers. That's the value of a modular option like the petrel. Great video!
I have the Petrel pot that I pair with the JetBoil MightyMo. It works great for me and I have yet to have any issue with the two.
That’s my setup as well when I’m out solo. I made it thru an 8 day section on the JMT and still had ~15% left of a small canister, heating up between 1.5 to 2 cups of water 3 times each day.
for last two years absolute winner: soto windmaster with triflex + jetboil stash pot, 208gr (7.3oz), never going back to BRS ;)
Fire maple is putting out some really nice affordable backpacking gear. I bought this same pot but paired it with their titanium hornet 2 stove. I compared it to my jetboil and for the price I think it is much better. Hence, the reason I don't own a jetboil now. I also have fire maples dandellion table as well. I actually got this setup not too long after they had dropped it earlier this year!!!
I just ordered the fire maple pair and taking on a backpacking trip. Looking forward to it. Leaving my jet boil at home.
Different stoves for different reasons
Fair Weather, Weekend backpacker, garage testing - the BRS wil work fine
Longer trips, limited resupply with real world winds - Petrel withthe Soto WindMaster/ Greenpeak a good option
Longer trips., limited resupply, brutal wind/weather - your just not going to beat an MSR WindBurner. 5 g to boil 500 ml / 6 g when the wind is howling. It is a beast.
My 2 cents.
I've never used a system like Jetboil or Windburner but I can see a use for them. I like how secure they are. Less fuss if on like a windy mountain and just want to boil some water fast.
I used the 1L Olicamp XTS for car camping during my Mt Whitney trip. The extra capacity is nice and I like butterfly style handles. If the Petrel had butterfly handles I would think about picking it up. It's a lot heavier than my titanium system so it's tough buy.
Most of the time I just don't need to boil water super fast. I set the burner on the Windmaster so low I can't really hear it lol. I'm still using the same 750ml titanium pot I've been using for years. Everything fits in it with different configurations. Sometimes I'll nest the canister with stove & lighter. Or nest the double wallled Ti mug or cold soaking jar with stove & lighter.
I got the Petrel to replace my 1L GSI pot and its paired with my original MSR Pocket Rocket. I haven't looked back the boil time and fuel consumption to boil 400ml of water was much different. The handle design I love in that it snaps into place and also holds the lid down while in transport.
I started using the Petrel with the GreenPeak stove this summer and haven't taken my Jetboil out since. I even sold my Jetboil stash. I loved the system but the pot size was funky and no piezo ignitor
@backcountry Exposure / Devin.... If you check Allie Express you can get a sleeve like a Jet Boil or the MSR pot for the Petrel pot now
I'm excited to be trying out the petrel paired with a PRD this fall! Based on all I've read and watched, it should be extremely effiecient and very effective in cold and wind.
I wanna see the fire maple against the jet boil stash! I’ve been loving the stash!
You are really making me think of getting a Fire Maple Pot and matching stove for my upcoming trip to RMNP.
What was the difference in boil times and fuel consumed when the fans were blowing on the pots/burners? I'd be curious to see how much more fuel efficient the MSR is in the wind!
I have both the Petrel pot paired with the Soto Windmaster as well as a MSR Windburner. I am glad I have both. The Windburner is bombproof. If i am out with my family or a couple of kids I always bring the Windburner because I am repeatedly boiling multiple cups of water for everyone. When by myself I am taking the petrel pot, it is just so much smaller and lighter. The comparison I would like to see is the same stove, but using different pots (titanium pot vs basic aluminum pot vs petrel pot) of similar size.
I know you've got the duo of the windburner too which is a rad kit! I'll definitely consider a comparison like that. Thanks dude!
Are we gonna have to take a picture of our Petrels all next to each other next week? Yes. I think we do. 😂
@@WasatchWill I don't know.....does that seem a little nerdy? LET"S DO IT
Stove vids dropped on the same day! 😂 Was your boil test with the fan on? I was able to do 2 cups with around 6g of fuel pretty consistently with the Fire Maple set up. My lid doesn’t stick and I’ve had at least one test where the o-ring wasn’t sealed so it’s interesting how varied our testing has gone. It’s a great combo for the price but I prefer to have a regulator.
And Justin just dropped one too! ha ha ha! I just ordered the Camping Moon XD-2-NE stove that has a regulator for $32. I'll be curious how it does as it does have a regulator.
@@BackcountryExposure Heard great things from Eric Hanson on, should be a solid buy.
The Petrel is my favorite new gear for 2024 for its bang for the buck! I've been using it with my 8yr old snowpeak litemax and it's awesome.
Haven't bought a windburner, but you should try the FM X2 pro and get your backwoods cooking on
Oh interesting to use it with the Lite Max. I'd be sure the pot helps that stove have way better wind performance. I was pretty unimpressed with the Lite Max. Continually had issues with the stove only partially lighting.
I think the regulator in the stove is one of the main differences here.... In some conditions the regulator can make a bid difference. If you get the Fire Maple Petrel pot and pair it with SOTO Windmaster (with TriFlex pot support) then you get best of both, and it will still be cheaper than MSR Windburner. I have the MSR Windburner and love it, but it is bigger and heavier that I would like. Also, Fire Maple has a stove called Polaris that has a regulator, I would like to test that with this Petrel G3 pot in some serious conditions outside.
I'd consider cutting up an aluminum can, removing the top and bottom and splitting it into a sheet, then wrapping it around the outside of the fire maple. Then if it's windy you just slide down the wind shield. A tallboy would work best, but if you find something with a bigger diameter than a standard can then that'd be even more better.
My ideal would be a 750ml with heat exchanger and substantial grip (like the Firemaple) but compatible with the BRS (which the Firemaple pot is not).
id like to see a faceoff between thew firemaple petrol and the jetboil stash
I recently upgraded from a $20 Amazon stove (not BRS, an older one, similar in price and size, slightly better performance stats) to the pocket rocket deluxe. What's impressed me most is the effect of a regulator in cooler temperatures. That added to the built in wind resistance makes a big difference in boil time and fuel use. So while I can see the value of an all in one system like the wind burner in certain technical situations, a stove with a regulator and a pot like the petrel would probably provide more versatility.
I would agree with you in a lot of cases. For general use specifically, you're totally right. It's when you get into much more technical situations that a system like the Reactor becomes nice to have for snow melt, or high elevations, etc. But for simple versatility even the Petrel with the Polaris or Soto Windmaster is a slick kit for a stove with regulator. Pocket Rocket Deluxe too.
I agree the FM is a great value and seems to be well made. I modded the bottom of the cup slightly so it would work with my BRS. Try it and you’ll be shocked at the boil efficiency. That said, part of the utility of a flat bottom cup is it can be put in a fire if needed to boil water thereby serving both for meals and emergency water treatment.
I assume you just took an angle grinder or Dremel tool to it?
@@BackcountryExposure Dremel
I always enjoy your videos. This one was like asking will my double mountaineering boots be overkill for my summer Utah canyon hike? These two stoves are built for two different missions. I have the Windburner for my winter mountaineering and my BSR and titanium pot for fast and light 3 season. I enjoy your content of products for items intended for very similar purposes. Will the firemaple fin cutout match on the BSR?
Thanks! I try to present info to help others make better choices on the use cases of products.
The BRS will work if you bend the pot supports to be the right angle to fit into the slots. But you can also certainly put the pot on the stove without being in the slots. :)
@BackcountryExposure You are the man!! I agree, not everyone has the same level of experience. If I was new this would be super helpful. Good job keeping everyone included at all skills levels!
You did not look at using a simple wind shield to see if you can get an efficiency improvement for the FireMaple or BRS stove. The weight penalty would also be minimal.
Hi Devin, would it not be more meaningful to compare the fire maple setup against the Jetboil stash? That at least to me would be an apples to apples comparison.
On another thought, does the Soto triplex + Windmaster stove fit the Petrol pot?
@@simplywanda1065 if I had a stash I would totally do that comparison as well. If I can find one I’ll definitely consider it.
Yes, the triflex on the Windmaster is a great combo!
I’m going to do a short comparing the Windmaster vs green peak with the petrel for time and efficiency.
BRS and a toaks titanium pot. I am trying to reduce my exposure to aluminum, and I understand that even anodized aluminum slowly dissolves in boiling water.
In another video, you mention that the petrel pot fits most standard 3-support stoves. That greenpeak stove looks like it's the knock-off of the MSR Pocket Rocket deluxe. Have you done a comparison of these two stoves using the petrel pot?
@@matthewsinger I don’t currently own a pocket rocket, so I haven’t had a chance to do that test.
For me, it’s about weight and bulk- for peak bagging and high output trips I use the BRS 3000 and Toaks 550 UL version. For most other trips, I use the Soto Amicus and Toaks 750ml. That being said the Soto stove is leagues better than the BRS in in performance, output, etc. only downside is it’s almost 2 1/2 times the weight.
Nice! The Toaks 750 and Amicus is a great combo. Soto just makes a superior product. :)
I wonder if the FireMaple pot would mate with the Soto Windmaster w/ the Triplex pot support. That would mean you have a regulated burner w/ somewhat better wind protection.
@@CarlZ993 yes, I’ve also been using the Windmaster with the triflex and it’s awesome!
Will the bottom of the Petrel mug fit the arms of the MSR Pocket Rocket 2 stove?
Has anyone tried fitting them together?
@@michalbinek_ I don’t have that stove but I have heard that it will work with potentially needing to bend the pocket rocket arms a touch.
@@BackcountryExposure Great, thanks for answer.
Anyone know if the Fire Maple FMS 300 T stove fits into the slots on the bottom of the Fire Maple G3 pot?
It does, but be mindful that the arms of the pot stand are hinged on that stove and the rivet for the hinge can get caught on the sides of the slot.
So petrel pot, MSR pocket rocket deluxe or SOTO stove cost is more but how does it compare? A lot of use have one or the other…. Just not the Petrel yet.
Soooo much testing that can be done. I'd be happy to do it, but it's mega time consuming and needs to provide you with value.
Fuel efficiency and boil times are contradictory goals! If you want maximum fuel efficiency you dial back the burner to say 40% output, biu this then leads to a longer boil time. If you want the fastest boil time you then drastically reduce fuel efficiency. it's like running your car: to get there quickly you take a hit at the gas pump; to save your wallet at the gas pump you drive 55 and arrive later. You can't have both!
In the end it depends what you need your stove for. If I'm solo thru hiking I want minimum weight and bulk so I choose accordingly. With a BRS and a Toaks 550 handleless pot I can nest a 110g canister, a bic lighter and a J-cloth inside it and the whole set-up is tiny and weighs only 97g (without the canister). With that 1 canister I could go 11-12 days between resupplies if I ever needed to (which I don't!). I run the BRS at 40% output; I shield it from the wind using my bag or a rock (or me!); I filter and then only need to heat (not boil) water to 75-80C to make any drink or rehydrate any meal. I never need even 8g of fuel to heat 550ml of water with my BRS - knowledge and experience are important! This is as light and efficient as it gets and way beats any Petrel/Windmaster/Jetboil combo you could ever dream of for that particular use case. Other use cases do vary I realise!
Fire maple or pocket rocket for me 💯of the time
I already got my fire maple
Devin, what would be a good 3 prong alternative to the green peak burner, that would maybe have a regulator, that would work with the fire maple petrol pot?
The Fire Maple Polaris and Soto Windmaster both have regulators and fit perfect. The pocket rocket deluxe can also work, but the pot supports are a little tighter in the slots.
Obviously not Devin, but the Jetboil MightyMo fits the Petral pot.
550-650ml may be perfect for one person using only freeze dried food. It's also extremely inflexible in that it's not enough for two people at least if you want to eat at the same time. It's also small, certainly too small form when using cheaper non-freeze dried food I have to prepare in the pot. It's also very small for melting snow.
Personally, I use 1-1.2 liter as the smallest pot I bring on the trail, making the Windburner usable but smaller than I ideally want. Of course if you can have one system for every occasion then a system with around 600ml is fine for those trips where you only need to boil water for one person or maybe make tea or coffee for two.
I cook in my pot and haven't needed anything larger than 800ml. I think the 600ml pot is great is all you do is boil water
@@ZIIZ2112 Don't disagree. 600ml can work for many people as I wrote in my first comment. But it's important to consider your own usage and preferences or you might have to get a larger one later and the cost is fairly high.
I never crank up my stove to max. It's much more fuel efficient to use low/medium heat and I really don't care about the boil time. It would be interesting to see the fuel consumption with all stoves at low heat.
Totally true. For testing sake though it's the easiest way to be consistent.
Understandable. I think the difference in fuel consumption would be much less pronounced if the stoves were run at low heat. I still think Jetboil would win but at 8/10g fuel consumption per boil I would often have to bring a bigger fuel canister, or two small ones, for the Fire Maple/BRS, but not for the Jetboil, which would negate most of the weight savings when using the lighter systems. However I think the fuel consumption of the three systems are much more comparable in a real world scenario where you run them at lower heat, so the Fire Maple or BRS/Toaks systems would overall be the lighter if you include the fuel you have to bring. BRS/Toaks would probably win but if there's often a bit of wind I would go with Fire Maple.
For me the added weight of the Petrel compared to the Toaks is worth the weigt, given the fact that ilt requires less fuel for a multidays trip. But MSR is just too heavy that is difficult to justify (excepted perhaps for multi-weeks/monhts trips where the weight of the fuel is the only relevant aspect).
Regarding the burner, I just bent the supporting parts of the brs-3000t (lot lighter than the Greenpeak) to make it compatibel with the Petrel pot and this combination is in my opinion a pretty good compromise between weight and efficiency. The remaining question is regarding wind protection. I'm quite sure that adding a ultra-thin titanium wind shield could make sense in order to improve the efficiency and again reduce the overall required fuel weight.
@@favelt I think Justin Outdoors has a pretty detailed wind performance test coming soon from what he’s told me he’s been working on.
I guess you´r absolutely in love with the PETREL & GREEN PEAK as it looks like your 4th/5th Video on it ?! ;) However, due to weight in the past i used the ´ X-Boil´- System with Titanium Mug in Summer on the other Hand i prefer my STERNO INFERNO Pot with SOTO AMICUS but i´m satisfied about the PETREL Pot so i´ve ordered one at ´ A ´ for less than 23,-- € ( i´ll think approx. less than 21,-- $ ). The GREEN PEAK i ordered at ´ Ali ´ for less than 18,-- € ( approx. 16,- $ ). All have a good time there, best rgds. from Germany ;)
Thanks for a really good video! I myself started with a Soto Windmaster and a Toaks 750ml. Not a bad combo, but bought the MSR Windburner after realising that the Soto used quite a lot of fuel in high wind (despite its name). Love the Windburner but it is slightly on the heavy side. Therefore got a Petrel HX pot to use with the Windmaster. It was what I used on a 9 day hike this summer. It is a good compromise. I think you sum it up really well - How important is the weight of the cooking system itself vs fuel efficiency and wind resistance.
There are a number of measurable topics of concern for every stove, that determine its "value" for you.
Value is not highly regulated by price alone.
How many people are you cooking for? How much water do you typically need to boil at a time for a meal?
Value is more related to your total cook kit (stove, pot/s, windscreen if needed, and weight of fuel canister, amount of fuel used) for your use/s, what everything cost, and how many years the stove serves you well.
"Boil time" is always related to maximum heat out put (BTUs) by the stove under windless conditions at lower altitude, plus how the stove design places the hottest part of the flame near the surface of the pot used, size of the pot base, the heat conductivity of the pot used, and the amount of water boiled.
Better stoves are designed to greatly limit the effect of wind all by themselves, without any additional form of windscreen .
This improves heat transfer, increases boil time, reduces fuel used, and thusly reduces overall weight.
Neither of these stoves do that by themselves. Both require a special windscreen, which is not part of the stove design itself, yet is an additional weight added to the system.
Fuel efficiency for wind, altitude and water volume. The higher the altitude (less air) the less efficient almost all stove are.
A rare few have a regulator that adjusts the fuel to air mixture. It does start using more fuel, but heat efficiency remains higher, almost the same at any altitude. Few people add in the measurable weight of the fuel consumed to cook a meal. This can add up quickly over a trip, require carrying more fuel, and will affect the value of any stove.
Cook Systems. Most of us need a stove, a cook pot, a drinking mug, some times a wider base depending on surface conditions (like sand, rocky, or snow), fuel canister/s, eating utensil/s, and a drawstring bag for all the above. Total weight.
Size, weight, and volume in your pack. The more efficient "cook systems" are smaller, nestle together (one in the other), quicker to set up, faster to boil the amount of water you need, use less fuel, and are well design and durable. They take up less volume inside your pack and weight less. Value.
One stove that rises to the top of stove reviews year after year is the SOTO Micro Windmaster Regulator.
This stove a well fuel regulated, wind resistant flame thrower, with exceptionally good temperature control down to simmers.
Stove alone weights 2.1 oz.. A .55 - .65 liter Ti pot (Toaks or Evernew) and lid weigh 2 - 2.1 oz. Total 4.5 oz.
Mildly infuriating - you had them both on the table and didn't try out if the MSR cup fits around the petrel pot 😉 - (which would be great since MSR sells them separately)
Isn’t fire maple made in China?
No way in heck Ami going to spend that kind of money for that 👎🏻
i personally don't like titles when they say "is this the end of "X" and "company"" I mean it's fine if you want to just say that about the product but a company especially like MSR who offers more than just that one thing.... doesn't mean that company is done for, that product line maybe.... but your implying that b/c that product is bad the company is going to close as well.... just click bait.... irritating...