This story really, really creeps me out. He can't eat food that's cooked in a pan that touched animal products but he shredded their bodies. Just sick and illogical.
@@Charmander009 Vegans don't usually murder people. Thus crime was not caused by somebody being a vegan. I respect vegans for standing up for their beliefs and making personal sacrifice. Ever tried rice milk? Disgusting stuff.
What is so illogical about it? Hitler for example was a loving husband to his wife, yet he ordered to kill millions of women, children and men. Hitler even claimed to be vegetarian. Well, you can be vegan/vegetarian and still a nasty person, you can love your wife and kill the wives of other people, you can even claim to love your own wife and kill her. Ted Bundy worked at a suicide hotline and helped other people while he killed others. It is not what a person is identifying with , it is what a person is DOING and who they are INSIDE that determines what kind of human being you are. I can identify as a vegan and still be messed up in my head.
the US tells russia it cant invade ukraine yet the USA invades any countries it wishes, ha ha ha, why is a double standard so shocking in your puny mind? it happens all the time in this evil sick and twisted world we live in.
He thought toxins in food caused his issues that he attributed to visual snow aka migraine auras according to the posts he made on the Tapa forum when he was age 14 to 17. Veganism was not likely about his personal ethics or moral framework.
I'm a vegan and I can't imagine making the demands that he's making. If you're that afraid of animal products, just cook all your own food. I really can't believe his parents bought new cookware just for him. My parents would've let me starve.
Right? I would be surprised if the parents didn’t try to get him to see a doctor for that. One of my yoga teachers used to do that, but she’s talked openly about her OCD and anxiety issues.
You aren't a vegan if you think eating vegan food out of a pan that was used to cook animals body parts is not disgusting. That's called white vegsnism, not really vegan, put a token to make yourself seem like you are fighting for a cause, but really aren't
Well not sure if you are aware of this or not but many Jewish families will in fact have two separate kitchens in their homes for this reason (meat not touching anything) and by that I do not mean vegan but for their religious beliefs.
It seems extremely irresponsible of media saying the judge just issued a stricter gag order (the reason being to protect this case and make sure they can convict a supposed killer) and yet you’re “going to get those details anyway”. That just makes it sounds like you don’t give a flip and you’re going to spill whatever beans you find regardless of whether it negatively affects the prosecution’s case.
BS the only leakers to the media have come from the STATE ACTors$ so the defense attorneys should also be ABEL to speak to the media for PUBLIC information too! This Judge also works and is paid by the STATE and has already proved she is BIASED against the defense! There is no way Bryan can get a fair and just trial in w/HER presiding over his criminal case! She is no Judge Jennifer Dorow!!! Too bad Judge Dorow isn't a Judge in Idaho to preside over this case too! She did an outstanding JOB protection that historically violent criminal Darrell Brooks Jr's rights!
Everyone should just stop talking so that we don’t ruin this man getting a fair trial. And I don’t say that out of concern for him. I say it out of concern for justice for the victims and their families :( I just don’t want that to be an excuse for him to even have a chance at being free
Yes, apparently she doesn't understand that the gag orders are given to stop the leakage of information critical to the trial. Satiating curious people's "need to know" is way down the list.
The angry mob has spoken. Coalburger is the killer. We will never know truly if he doesnt confess his crimes. Its not looking good for him but still there are some key questions: -The two roomates who waited 6 hours to call the police -No murder weapon has been found -Was the doordash delivery person somehow involved in the murder
@@techoperatives2232 this case is like a scary season. We are waiting what's gonna happen on the next episode of..... that's why I am also here with my 🍿🍔🍟🥤 😅. Plus, I get to learn more of what cops used to catch people with, and I think that is why the gag order is in place, because WE ARE ALL LISTENING L🤫L.
I know right. Well, that is the whole point of the "Gag Order", to keep people's mouth shut 🤐. I mentioned this on one of her content, when the gag order was first put in place that someone can't keep a secret, that they have to leak information, and I was right. Now they judge have to make it stricter 🤔? Why I am not surprised 😏🤭
@@techoperatives2232 yeah, god forbid we see an idiot title and let them know they’re f*cked for reporting on this. “AnD yEt YoU’rE hErE”- heada$$ 🤦♀️
The fact that his family "had" to buy new pots and pans otherwise he wouldn't eat from anything that had come into contact with meat is ridiculous. I'd have starved in my family. They wouldn't tolerate that.
You have to be a vegetarian to understand the whole concept. I would say that is a minor detail when he slaughtered 4 people. Pots and pans are the least we should be worrying about. And thinking about the terrible things he did and how sick he his.
This was reported by an a former "aunt" who has since divorced his uncle. Who heard this from his family instead of directly. I don't trust an "aunt" who never made a meal for her nephew and is reporting things 2nd hand. Also, it ain't weird to not eat food that was prepared in cookware also used to prepare meat if you don't eat meat. Many cultures follow the same in regards to beef, pork, and dairy. What is weird is killing 4 strangers. What is also weird is writing into an illuminated rectangle to exchange ideas with strangers. So.
I’m vegetarian, me and my husband who ate meat had different pots and pans. His meat couldn’t touch my pans, I wouldn’t wash his dishes. I I honestly don’t think it’s that strange. I think the aunt is blowing it out of proportion
@@darlenechandler2403 IMO it stands out as extreme entitlement and enabling to his demands (by parents I'm assuming). If it was so important to him he could have bought or brought his own pots and pans rather than others being expected to fulfill his demands.
People, especially the media, don’t want to recognize that their actions can affect the ability of the defendant to get a fair trial. Yeah Kohberger probably did it, but if this goes to trial and he’s found guilty, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s an appeal based on jury bias assuming that’s possible in Idaho. Sometimes shutting up is more beneficial than broadcasting every single minute detail about a case.
Am glad the Judge did this. I was hoping this would happen. Sick of the conspiracy theories and rumor mongering and ruining innocent people’s lives. Great job Judge. Glad to see one that has some balls.
@@Charmander009 you can go with that until you’re a victim or your family member(s) are the victim of a violent crime. I do know one thing if the press ever hounded my home like I’ve seen them hound other people, they will not be met with a friendly welcome. And if they set foot on my property they’d be met with a shotgun ordering them off.
@@Charmander009 You see how many who misinterpret what they hear, make panicky statements, bordering on hysteria, affecting others. That's why they issue gag orders, and rightly so.
Does this not screw up the evidence that can be used against him now that it's been leaked to the public? We want him punished with no room to wiggle out and I'm worried details like these leaked could threaten that
It is the social media era , most cases except terrorists cases will have a lot of social analysis and most Of the time the crimes can be understood by going through the Suspects profile anyway . I’m just as shocked how fast it’s developing I thought at first the cops were grasping at straws but I know they wouldn’t release that stuff to the public
I think you have a point. Defence will just say it’s not possible to have a fair trial because of the media coverage. I think the judge is trying to prevent this.
If you read those posts he made as a kid about thinking a special diet would help "cure" the visual snow. Tapatalk or whatever it was called. He wasn't eating vegan for the sympathy of animals. He was doing this for "health purposes." So let's remember not all vegans are vegan for the sake of animals, which sounds wild but that can help you make sense as to his antics
@scottythetrex5197 he was obsessed with "toxins" and the idea that specific foods were better than others. Very common in people who have health problems, they will go to any extreme to find a "solution." It seems like he did an elimination diet of sorts. Similar to those who might go all raw vegan, gluten free, dairy free, lion diet, etc... they are usually trying to identify a cause to their illnesses.
The way she was smiling and proud of this piece of information was uncalled for! Seriously, these reporters need to stop because we need justice for the victim’s families. The way they both are smiling just creepy!!
Weird to have all these people complaining about media following the case .... when they're on TH-cam following the case, watching the videos, and commenting.🤔
I don’t want to know details if it may compromise the court proceedings. What I want more than anything is for justice for those 4 young people and their loved ones
@@barneyrubble4741What? No lol vegans are 100% against any & all animal products. Buying anything that’s made by harming animals is off the table. Especially fur & leather. Veganism extends beyond diet & simply following a plant based diet doesn’t make one vegan. So, Bryan is not actually a vegan
@@py16667 absolutely not true. Not ALL vegans are that strict. It's hard to be strictly vegan. So many things are made from animal products and byproducts. Some ONLY don't for dietary purposes!
Always had this theory. Always thought it could be a disgruntled loser who got turned down by his advances. Makes sense He’s vegan, they serve vegan and he went to their restaurant
Yeah, in the back of mind, I always kept coming back to Maddie and Xana both working in that restaurant. He also has a history of creeping out women in restaurants, per the waitresses and brewery owner of the place in Penn. I now believe that’s where he first came into contact with them.
I posted above, but this makes that story of the bar owner part of this investigation. It matters how he treated others that turned him down by his advances.
On TripAdvisor Pullman has dozens of good vegan restaurants. Too bad BK chose the Mad Greek and probably fixated on Maddie and Xana, if that bar in Penn was anything to go by.
@@ksc743 Pullman, WA has zero vegan restaurants. Moscow, ID also has zero vegan restaurants. BK was going to have a hard time eating at restaurants if his demands at home carried over.
I worked as a barista for a summer(so like 3 months) and memorized a lot of peoples orders/names. Even if they only came in once or twice, i remember their face. I was the only employee on my shifts so i was talking to the customer, taking their order and making their drink edit: also 2 years later and i can still remember 4 names and their orders
It kind of all makes sense now. He met Maddie and Xana at the Mad Greek. He started stalking them and sent Maddie DMs on Instagram which were unanswered and probably unseen. He took it personally and decided to target them. Somehow he figured out which rooms in the house they were in. This would explain why he left 2 roommates unharmed.
Yes! Definitely makes sense now that he killed M and X on purpose and thus also had to kill the person who was physically close to them. 💔💔💔. Wow. RIP you four beautiful people. ♥️♥️♥️
He drove So many times by there rental home that he knew which room she was in Probably when she had arrived at home from her work-he was stocking her Many times to make sure which was her room. Also...probably was at her work to see what she drove. So when the lights went on the top floor he figured theirs where her room was. That's why he aimed up stairs as soon as he got inside they're home. His aim was not the girl in the first floor...he rushed out when he was done with the 4 victims and figured that the girl down stairs had to have called 911 by the time he killed the Fourth victim... What A DEMON
Any details on the bryan kohberger diet? I need to lose weight pronto. Did he follow an specific weight loss plan or was it just the veganism + being a heroin addict?
Omg him ordering a vegan pizza and having strict odd request is headline . Having worked in the restaurant industry and retail this wont surprised you at all . The type of people that are out there like that or worse will surprise you .
Food for thought: KG sometimes ate at the Mad Greek & visited her friends there. She wrote a Yelp review of the place. BK could have ran into KG there.
I see no problem with the gag order. These young victims have families that don’t want to be reminded everyday on the news. Respect the families and friends in this difficult time
I've thought that he went into that restaurant and maybe got snubbed somehow, or felt an energy that triggered him somehow. That just makes so much sense, because what he did isn't random.
I believed this was the motive - he got snubbed on Instagram when they ignored him and at the restaurant or wherever he saw them, they constantly snubbed him.
The stricter gag order was most likely because of the attorney that handled the extradition. He was going around telling whoever would listen about what him and Kohberger talked about.
So either Maddie and Xana were the targets and Kaylee and Ethan just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, or perhaps all three of the girls were targets. I think he may have tried to pursue them and kept getting rejected/ignored.
Then why did he attack Kaylee the most they said in one of the reports. Unless she too fought back. We will find out when he goes to court, who is target was.
@@darlenechandler2403 based on People reporting, his social media that is believe to be him under Papa Rogers indicated that the knife dull from the first to the fourth victim. The fourth being Kaylee. This is so sad.
Food for thought: KG sometimes ate at the Mad Greek & visited her friends there. She wrote a Yelp review of the place. BK could have ran into KG there.
So happy about the strict gag order and hope the press can gain the basic respect for the families and for this process, and stop scrounging and hounding for details on this, at least until the next court dates
That’s creepy. Unless Kaylee was the target and it was the last time he could see her, if he knew she was there and leaving. I don’t even want to think of any option. I can’t imagine how scared the two survivors were when they realized to. To live with that forever. I hear noises I learned to ignore as normal but now I am really listening to everything. Friends of mine said there is tons of strange noises all night in those dorms. People coming and going late/early morning. When one of the survivors heard the male voice being tired maybe they thought it was Ethan comforting his girlfriend if she was sobbing.. it just gives me chills to think about how close it was.
@@billysummers1616 exactly! I can’t imagine the trauma the 2 surviving victims are going to deal with for the rest of their lives. Heartbreaking. And the 4 lives lost 😢
Well, if he was scoping the place, he knew at least Kaylee was there and count the cars that were there that evening. More than two for sure. He knew who was in that house.
@@julieanndiorio2286 except I thought I heard she moved out already and came back for the party and to show Maddie her new car. If that’s true. It’s possible he didn’t know what her car looked like yet.
Good god Ashleigh! What did he order, blah, blah, blah. FFS!!! Could you try to sensationalize every little segment?!? It’s sickening! I used to be a huge fan too. So disappointing.
@@_MPR I haven’t been able to stand seeing her face much less hearing her voice. She’s an attention whore as far as I’m concerned. Haven’t watched her in at least two decades, probably three. Unfortunately, she still gets news coverage and I have to see and hear her until I can switch off. UGH!!!
It also came out that he followed at least 2 of the girls on Instagram and kept sending messages to them, but the girls never responded back. That's also how he might have known that they worked there and possibly where they lived or just could have followed them home. At least connections are coming to light.
I'm interested in what the defense attorneys for Bryan have to say about all these leaks to the media by state actors$ and what they think about the Judge who works for the state too and how her gag orders have adversely affected the defendant who has been convicted by public opinion thanks to the leaks
Who said he feels bad for animals? He just eats plant based, for an unknown reason. If he was “vegan” & felt bad for animals, he wouldn’t have had a leather knife sheath & leather gloves, no vegan I know would ever
I get it. Amendments and all but don't you get that the judge doesn't want to take any chances that this case will be messed up by social media etc? Don't taint the chance makes sense to me no? I'm sure they will go through all his credit cards and find the connections. I'm sure he saw them in there. They are beautiful young people . They seemed fun full of life. Who knows what triggered this guy
Lol exactly. Shes screaming about the first amendment with a gag order. People don't even know what they're talking about nowadays. They just scream I have rights!
I am hoping that the news reporters don’t bungle things for the true investigators. There are reasons for gag orders and as much as I want to get the latest and greatest information it seems like this could cross a big line
The gag order is solely in place because it protects the trial. It's so that they can convict him rather than him walking free because someone revealed details they shouldn't have that prevents a fair trial from taking place.
Come on Bryan, if you committed the crime please just admit it. The first step to forgiveness is honest and open about the offense committed. Be a shinning example to all the other mass murderers and do the right thing. PLEASE.
Can you imagine if you were his parents or his sibling? Or even one of his friends. Perhaps he didn't have friends and that might have been part of it . A Lonely Criminologist -- just be truthful.
Sus.. It has been widely reported that he would not eat at his relative's house unless his vegan meal was prepared in BRAND NEW cookware that had never been used. So, he's going to go to a public restaurant that serves LOTS of meat and take his chances on a vegan pizza? 🙄
Ikr! The rumors are endless and with no proof to back anything up. I've seen this speculative comment over and over again. That B.K. probably met them at the Mad Greek or the Corner Bar, as if they're the ONLY two places in town that he could've crossed paths with any or all of the victims. I've also seen that he probably went to the Mad Greek to order vegan pizza. Smh. He could've seen them at Walmart for all we know!
@@Christina-71 I mean it is the most likely place dude he’s vegan and it’s a restaurant that serves vegan food that they also happened to work at. It’s not that deep
@@MP77USA Unfortunately, Trump's "vegan" Buffalo dude got that 'accommodation' set with the special vegan thang... but I still have to laugh in knowing that the basement in the old county jails are mostly 'reserved' for murderers & rapists... whom are confined to the worst of the worst. They are extremely isolated within one very small cell per inmate and in the most coldest conditions (think freezer). The 3 very small portion of meals served daily are slide into their cell... and it doesn't even matter what they 'call it', most foods seem to have a different tinge and are unidentifiable to taste which gives them a horrible gas, except for a little apple they get sometimes. Furthermore, most of the Sheriffs that have to work those shifts in the basement absolutely hate it and don't give one care about 'those ones' down there either. Honestly, I can hardly wait until we as the 'public' get to see this psychopath again in late June. He's going to be as white as a ghost and as skinny as a skeleton... and that's 'if' he can even walk after laying on a very thin pad with very cold cement under, in and around him for that long too. It may sound 'inhumane' but that's how these most dangerously unpredictable 'Suspects' can be best controlled and lest apt to be able to find anyway to escape! Works for me, doesn't it you?! 😁
Many many people are Vegans - there isn't anything unusual about making sure the pizza is free from any animal products. Also the eating out of pots that have been used for cooking meat is definitely not strange for a vegan. Maybe in small towns these stand out but not in bigger populations~ just standing up for us vegetarians and vegans -
I think the point was to explain why the person who supposedly supplied this information remembered him. I don't think any reasonable person is blaming veganism for the brutal murders although it's somewhat ironical. (Adolph Hitler was a vegetarian and very kind to his dog but that's not linked to his infamy.)
@@randygraham926 Hitler was a meat eater until the last 7-8 years of his life, when his doctor recommended he become vegetarian for health reasons. Even then he still ate meat occasionally while calling himself a vegetarian until 1942 when he went totally vegetarian. source wikipedia
This is so stupid. I worked in a restaurant for 8 years, there was very little chance I would remember some random person that had a different diet. A regular person would be remembered but not some guy that came in a couple of times. Dopey hostess “well this aligns with other reports of his vegan lifestyle.” Yeah or… this restaurant worker never actually saw him, but is hungry for some attention so she claims to have seen him and repeats info she heard on tv about his vegan diet. This report is as stupid as it gets.
@mjk121882, The guy asked for something that not too many ask for. Most people in life remember things odd to them. Do not think that everyone is like you. How many people live in the area that you live and think different, and they could never be right. And YOU think YOU have the ONLY valid judgements, or in this case, which you probably always do, criticize any interpretation that does not agree with YOUR experiences. How self important you are. EGO. Listen and learn. That last line is what an old pastor would tell us, and if I'm reading you right, he got married that day. Lol
“It’s ok, I’m going to help you” could be something related with what Xana has told him in the Mad Greek or it is a sadist sentence? It is just too weird and crazy.
I read somewhere else (I forget where) that this was a signature line of a famous serial killer (I forget which one). So take it with a grain of salt, but if I have time I’ll try to find out if that’s accurate.
I thought People Magazine wasn't a reliable source? A few weeks ago someone from that restaurant made a statement that Byran hadn't been to their restaurant 😳
@Sarah Patterson exactly why suddenly they remember going to that restaurant twice, yet a few weeks ago it was reported by an employee of that restaurant that they didn't recognize Byran or remember seeing him their. 🤔
I don't think a restaurant can verify if a person was a customer except a small specific time by checking video. If someone came months ago and paid cash, how would they know?
If he was truly vegan I’m now 99.99% sure he’s guilty (when considering all the other evidence). This would explain why he spared the dog (which didn’t make sense at all), since he values animal life more than human life.
What says he has to wack the dog? As if someone has to be interested in killing everything lol. The dog is no witness. I heard of a lot of times dogs were at the scene of someone getting killed, It’s just the focus isn’t on a dam dog.
Yet he bought a leather knife sheath & leather gloves, things vegans wouldn’t want to ever touch? Doesn’t seem like he cared much about veganism anyway
Obviously the judge did this to protect the case so the defence can't complain or ask for it to be thrown out of court. The fact this host is practically giddy about receiving any type of news that could impact the case on this way is disgusting.
I've been saying this for over a month he saw them at the restaurant where the 2 worked at the restaurant. The simplest reason is typically the answer.
*of course there's a gag order* the case comes up in 6 months - how hard will it be then to find a jury that hasn't been tainted? guilty or not, the guy has a right to due process, doesn't he?
If this goes to trial (it will be in Idaho) and it is going to be hard to find a jury neutral. There is going to be a divide (like politicians) with minds made up and no budging. I hope this doesn't go to trial and he plead life in prison, no death penalty, no parole but will that be enough for the families!
As beautiful as Kaylee, Xana and Maddie were, they would have stood out in any sized restaurant to a healthy, single young man. IMO. In regards to people standing out for an unusual characteristic and being caught in a crime, one of my favorites is a woman who may have gotten away with murder except for one of those “unusual characteristics.” She poisoned capsules and placed them in bottles of medication (used for treating headaches) for sale at a pharmacy. She bought one of these bottles and brought it home. Her husband (and an additional woman) died because of those capsules. Her plan was to kill him and collect his insurance money- and have a more exciting life. Seriously! A copy cat killing from the unsolved Tylenol capsule tampering case in Chicago. The person working on the case found tiny green crystals inside the capsules which had been tampered with. A chemical analysis found that they were an algicide which is used in capsules treating fish tanks and garden pools for algae. A smart investigator visited local pet shops with the suspect’s picture hoping that someone might remember her from when she purchased the algicide capsules. Two employees immediately remembered her from months before because she was “the lady who jingled.” She had a small bell on her pocketbook strap. The investigator had noticed the same jingle! Caught, tried, convicted- of murder. (murderpedia.org/female.N/n/nickell-stella.htm). I think law enforcement has done a great job in getting Bryan Kohberger. Knowing how he became aware of them is important to their loved ones- but his phone records and proximity to their residence proves that he was in their vicinity in the months prior to their deaths. I’m glad this reporter found that the rumors linking Kohberger to the Mad Greek were true.
Truly remarkable...however did he get this info...wow I mean he ordered a vegan pizza never would have guessed this one...stellar reporting. I'm being Sarcastic people
When creating a media sensation regardless of where the information comes from is sooo much more important that ensuring an active case remains an airtight conviction to find justice for the multiple victims and their surviving families Slow clap
Wow Ashley! I really wanted to know what Bryan wanted to eat at Mad Greek. Respect the gag order and stop ruining the prosecution. There are so many stories you can milk. Talk about Rajan Moonesinghe being shot in his own home by the cops!
How in the world they’ll ever find an non-biased group of jurors is beyond me. The judge is doing everything within her power to try to make that happen.
The gag order is proper! Come on, the media is all over this! No matter how this turns out, this guys life is over! Because of the media, most readers think this is a slam dunk! There's a lot of holes in the story, circumstancial evidence....
@@stephanea5364 Fanboy? No, what I am is a realist, not some TH-camr that thinks everything social media prints is the gospel. The biggest travesty would be to have this guy get off, because Social media and "Public opinion" was so sure of his guilt! Do you think all the media coverage is prejudicing Jury selection? Do you think all the media attention helps, or hurts his chances? Public opinion is to string this guy up right now! Like some lynch mob from the old west! If they had a rock solid case the prosecution would never have asked him to wave his right to a "speedy trial"! No murder weapon, no eyewitness. and no confession, not even a motive! Remember, its not what you know, but what you can PROVE in court. A lot of the evidence is not conclusive! Circumstancial evidence is not proof, especially in a murder case! There are a lot of holes or the police wouldn't ask the public for help! The craziest thing to me is his silence, and willingness to be imprisoned now! I would be screaming of my innocence and demand to be set free! It's scary that he is so calm, and should be dealt with cautiously because of his demeanor! If he did plan all of this, it won't be any cake walk to convict him! There are specific processes to be followed, and he knows them all! I want the guilty person convicted as much as anyone else, but I'd hate to see a stupid mistake set him free!
@@keithsparling5537 He's guilty as sin and you know it. Yes, we'll wait for the proofs, but in the meantime, the case against him is strong and we don't even know everything they have
@@stephanea5364 I believe he's guilty. Proving it beyond a reasonable doubt is another issue! Making stupid mistakes in the process could be his ticket to freedom! That's what I'm really saying!!! Evidence? Nothing that has been released yet is solid proof! The pings on the cell tower mean nothing, he lived too close, and a trip to his neighborhood convenient store, (miles from their house) would ping on that same tower! DNA is regarded as solid proof, but its not! DNA can be transported on clothing, like dust.... you could hug someone good bye in New York, and they could transport your DNA to any murder scene, anywhere in the world! Law enforcement doesn't share that information very often, but it's a fact! No murder weapon, no eye witness, No confession, not even a solid motive! Theres a lot of "leading" evidence, but solid proof is needed to convict on 1st degree murder! The fact that Police have asked people to come forward, and they asked him to wave his "right to a speedy trial" are strong indications they are do not have a lot to go on! I thought O.J. was guilty, still do, But America watched him walk because of botched Police work! It's not what you know, ITS WHAT YOU CAN PROVE!
Just pray they are going to be able to get all their ducks in order to prepare and present this case to get a conviction. I would definitely be horrific if they don't get a conviction.
at least a sensible connection have been presented by a somewhat reputable source....the compeling mystery for me now is the 8-hour gap of the 911 call, bcoz we can technically pressume that all the victims are just wounded after the attack and it took 8 hours to call 911? its like living someone to bleed to death. hope we get a hint on why this is the case....
you have to think about the fact that you would not think someone was in your house murdering your roommates. yes, but what is he steeling pots and pans. He phone might have died and she fell asleep while it was charging. She texted her friends and they said just go to sleep we will come by in the morning. Nothing you can do now he has left. Lock your door get sober as you are under 21 and drunk and high. So much can be said about this and she could have easily been in shock during the night and scared and couldn't move or scream or anything! the fact she ID him before they found him, is the critical part of her testimony.
Having separate pots and pans for vegans and vegetarians is nothing new. I think several of the armchair cops need to get out in the real world. All of a sudden,everything this guy does is weird,when,in reality,it occurs in thousands of homes and situations. Bunch of wannabes.
So ordering vegetarian pizza at a trendy spot makes him suspect but not calling 9-11 for 8 hours calling friends to a murder scene isn't suspicious 🤔 ?
So sad, such beautiful young kids gone. They all were going to go on and do good things for this country. This country needs more kids like they were. We have a huge mental health crisis in this country with our children but the politicians would rather pay their own pockets than pass legislation that helps our kids. We parents need to spend more time and talk to our kids more if we want this problem to reside. I’m heart broken for the parents as I have two kids of my own 17 and 13 years old. I couldn’t live without them.
No, kids need to be more cautious and not party like they did. This country has to get over this " right of passage" called partying! It's one thing to have a civilized party, or a joyous occasion. But it's another to party hard to oblivion and lose self control. That's what these " beautiful" kids did. This is terrible behavior! If you worry about your children, teach them this type of behavior has many horrible, sometimes irreversible consequences.
@@jamesplymire5342 I'm 59, hardly, but, the cops were many times and they have bodycam footage of these parties on youtube. On top of that, I worked in ER for 30 years in a college town. And, I went to college for 4 years and had to deal with roommates who were only there to party. I was not. I was studying to be a pharmacist, but left that to become a Respiratory Therapist. I couldn't stand handing over drugs that would later be used to take a life. I wanted to save people instead.
Like it or not, he does have the right to a fair trial, as our government and constitution allows. Speculative and accusatory reporting doesn't serve any benefit to getting justice for these victims.
So that is the connection! Well done, Ash!! This explains how he got to know them. Xana had more wounds on her, as well was Kaylee. There might have been a revenge motive too. Apparently he DM'ed one of the women on Instagram several times with no response. I'd love to know who that was. I'm guessing it was Maddie. She also has blonde hair like the nurse BK dated earlier in his life, when she had blonde hair (later dyed red). Good news reporting. I also think the gag order imposed by the judge was overdue. We should let things rest now and let the case proceed, even though curiosity is at its highest levels.
Do you realize how many ppl may have frequented that place? It was a small town. Why would he go to a restaurant that he knows full well may have cross contamination and DEMAND anything since he's aware they serve animal products, all the while allegedly complaining that his family MUST use new pans? That's absurd to some. However, I have seen vegans step in front of trucks that were delivering animal products. Was he so crazed about veganism that he went appsh*t about the girls working or being at a place that serves animal products? Which is it? So many possibilities. We will see!
It sounds like something more than just extremely strict vegan diet. Refusing to eat from cookware, which had been in contact with animal products, is illogical. It sounds more like obsessive-compulsive disorder.
Intelligence, he ordered a pizza and wanted to make sure the kitchenware hadn’t touch meat. Yep Banefield you got the intelligence you sure did. Amazing you can be pissed that a judge issued a gag order in order to have a fair trial. But you think you are more special than anyone else so you should get everything. Let’s call the whambalance for Ashleigh.
I worked in the legal profession and that is how it works, they don’t want anyone doing anything to hamper this case, so that this guy does not get off, if he is guilty, like OJ Simpson. Ashleigh was also hyper and ranting when the LE weren’t giving out too much because they were actually following this guy’s moves and keeping everything confidential so they could catch him before he killed someone else. She needs to sit down with a legal professional and let them explain to her proper legal protocol that is in place. Everything will come out in the open in due time.
People have to realize in the affidavit he was stalking them as early as August. He would’ve had to have come across them really early since he was in PA as late as late spring/early June at least. It would mean Maddie and xana both already had to be in town and working there in august and he came across them over the summer. Maybe they were the first people he came across and or something happened but he was stalking them really early so if he came in Oct or sep etc. he was already stalking them?
Excellent points. I think it is very likely that when he moved to the area in June his Instagram account started suggesting accounts of nearby people to follow. I'm leaning towards he saw one or more of them on Instagram first, then went to the Mad Greek.
People have to realize that this allegation of stalking based on the affidavit is conjecture at best and unfounded at worst. The affidavit simply states that his cell phone connected to a cell tower that services the same coverage area as the home. Depending on the location of the tower and the population density of the area serviced, a cell tower can have a coverage area of anywhere from 3 square miles to 50 square miles. All this evidence proves is that his cellphone was within the coverage area. It does not provide definitive proof of his actual location within this area nor does it prove what he was doing within this area.
@@LJE-B his mother posted online in June that he had moved to Washington. Someone replied telling her not to worry that she and the folks in Washington would be good to him.
@@UnKnown-sf9vw i agree with he cell tower pings are weak. The affidavit even clarified at one point that when pinging off the tower that provides coverage for the crime scene they do not think he was in Moscow. But what does look bad is the report that he repeatedly messaged one of the roommates on social media after not getting a reply. Of course that is from an anonymous source but if that ends up being true it's can start to paint a picture if similar behavior is revealed.
Actually, I'm not mad at the judge for placing a gag order. If the case is going to be built, we don't need to have the evidence before hand. The more that is leaked, it opens up for the defense to claim no fair trial.
I'm glad the restaurant workers and owners got together and decided not to say anything. I'm sorry the former employee thought to share information. This was such a horrific crime. I can't begin to imagine how the families will have to re-live this tragedy at the trial; on both sides. What a way for families to be brought together.
If you were a vegan then none of what Bryan wanted would be weird. Being vegan is not weird, it's a life style that someone chooses to have. Let's just get evidence of Bryan being the killer so he is off the streets.
The issue with the pots and pans has to do with relion ie Hindu (vegan diet) and Muslim's Muslims may eat chicken and fish and is refered to a Halaal diet. I live in South Africa and that is how Muslim and Hindu meals are prepare. If you are eating out then the kitchen must be certified through an accredited Muslim or Hindu body.
I feel like the words that Dylan heard a guy say was “ it’s ok , I’m going to help you “ was actually something one of the girls said to Bryan at the restaurant. He seemed to feel resentful & angry. I would think he had been dismissed or rejected by the girls ( in his head probably) I just feel like it was related to something from the restaurant.
So, in order for you to exercise our first amendment rights, you are willing to risk that this accused murderer could possibly go free? Freedom of speech is our right, but sometimes good judgement and reasoning on when to exercise it should be considered.
They're making vegans out to be some crazed psychos. It's a choice. Which doesn't make much sense that he went to a place that he knew full well served meat, as well. Did he just suddenly snap and say he was going to slaughter humans because they served or ate animal products?!
This story really, really creeps me out. He can't eat food that's cooked in a pan that touched animal products but he shredded their bodies. Just sick and illogical.
That’s how vegans are , crazy
@@Charmander009 Vegans don't usually murder people. Thus crime was not caused by somebody being a vegan. I respect vegans for standing up for their beliefs and making personal sacrifice. Ever tried rice milk? Disgusting stuff.
@@andrewphilpott3220oat milk is better
What is so illogical about it? Hitler for example was a loving husband to his wife, yet he ordered to kill millions of women, children and men. Hitler even claimed to be vegetarian. Well, you can be vegan/vegetarian and still a nasty person, you can love your wife and kill the wives of other people, you can even claim to love your own wife and kill her. Ted Bundy worked at a suicide hotline and helped other people while he killed others. It is not what a person is identifying with , it is what a person is DOING and who they are INSIDE that determines what kind of human being you are. I can identify as a vegan and still be messed up in my head.
Psychopaths are the most illogical creatures you will ever find on this planet
He can't eat meat but can stab humans! An outrage!!!
He probably thinks like animals are innocent so he don’t Wana hurt innocent
I hate meat the texture of meat in my mouth 🤮
the US tells russia it cant invade ukraine yet the USA invades any countries it wishes, ha ha ha, why is a double standard so shocking in your puny mind? it happens all the time in this evil sick and twisted world we live in.
Eat and stab are very different. He probably just hated the taste of meat.
He thought toxins in food caused his issues that he attributed to visual snow aka migraine auras according to the posts he made on the Tapa forum when he was age 14 to 17.
Veganism was not likely about his personal ethics or moral framework.
I'm a vegan and I can't imagine making the demands that he's making. If you're that afraid of animal products, just cook all your own food. I really can't believe his parents bought new cookware just for him. My parents would've let me starve.
Word 😂😂
I'm pretty sure my family would have made me eat what was served, even if I was allergic to it. 😂
Right? I would be surprised if the parents didn’t try to get him to see a doctor for that. One of my yoga teachers used to do that, but she’s talked openly about her OCD and anxiety issues.
You aren't a vegan if you think eating vegan food out of a pan that was used to cook animals body parts is not disgusting. That's called white vegsnism, not really vegan, put a token to make yourself seem like you are fighting for a cause, but really aren't
Well not sure if you are aware of this or not but many Jewish families will in fact have two separate kitchens in their homes for this reason (meat not touching anything) and by that I do not mean vegan but for their religious beliefs.
It seems extremely irresponsible of media saying the judge just issued a stricter gag order (the reason being to protect this case and make sure they can convict a supposed killer) and yet you’re “going to get those details anyway”.
That just makes it sounds like you don’t give a flip and you’re going to spill whatever beans you find regardless of whether it negatively affects the prosecution’s case.
Yeah, that's what journalism is about. Uncovering truth, no matter what. The judge has a different job.
This information has been out in the forums for a month or so now
Everyone has a job to do.
It’s their way of owning the rights to their deaths! In hopes the public won’t get the real truth of this situation not even the parents!
BS the only leakers to the media have come from the STATE ACTors$ so the defense attorneys should also be ABEL to speak to the media for PUBLIC information too! This Judge also works and is paid by the STATE and has already proved she is BIASED against the defense! There is no way Bryan can get a fair and just trial in w/HER presiding over his criminal case! She is no Judge Jennifer Dorow!!! Too bad Judge Dorow isn't a Judge in Idaho to preside over this case too! She did an outstanding JOB protection that historically violent criminal Darrell Brooks Jr's rights!
Everyone should just stop talking so that we don’t ruin this man getting a fair trial. And I don’t say that out of concern for him. I say it out of concern for justice for the victims and their families :( I just don’t want that to be an excuse for him to even have a chance at being free
Right! Can you imagine a mistrial because things keep getting leaked and blasted everywhere
Yes, apparently she doesn't understand that the gag orders are given to stop the leakage of information critical to the trial. Satiating curious people's "need to know" is way down the list.
I wrote something similar, they could jeopardize this case because how high profile it is. All this sleuthing can be detrimental
The angry mob has spoken. Coalburger is the killer. We will never know truly if he doesnt confess his crimes. Its not looking good for him but still there are some key questions:
-The two roomates who waited 6 hours to call the police
-No murder weapon has been found
-Was the doordash delivery person somehow involved in the murder
My god for real. It’s been ridiculous this whole time but it’s getting even more out of hand. “But you can’t gag me” really pissed me off.
The gag order was issued to protect the integrity of the case. Good to see the media is more interested in ratings. Good job!!
Yet you’re here
Right?!
@@techoperatives2232 this case is like a scary season. We are waiting what's gonna happen on the next episode of..... that's why I am also here with my 🍿🍔🍟🥤 😅. Plus, I get to learn more of what cops used to catch people with, and I think that is why the gag order is in place, because WE ARE ALL LISTENING L🤫L.
I know right. Well, that is the whole point of the "Gag Order", to keep people's mouth shut 🤐. I mentioned this on one of her content, when the gag order was first put in place that someone can't keep a secret, that they have to leak information, and I was right. Now they judge have to make it stricter 🤔? Why I am not surprised 😏🤭
@@techoperatives2232 yeah, god forbid we see an idiot title and let them know they’re f*cked for reporting on this. “AnD yEt YoU’rE hErE”- heada$$ 🤦♀️
The fact that his family "had" to buy new pots and pans otherwise he wouldn't eat from anything that had come into contact with meat is ridiculous. I'd have starved in my family. They wouldn't tolerate that.
Reminds me if a person who won't let a fraction of a cent of theirs to fund abortion
You have to be a vegetarian to understand the whole concept. I would say that is a minor detail when he slaughtered 4 people. Pots and pans are the least we should be worrying about. And thinking about the terrible things he did and how sick he his.
This was reported by an a former "aunt" who has since divorced his uncle. Who heard this from his family instead of directly. I don't trust an "aunt" who never made a meal for her nephew and is reporting things 2nd hand. Also, it ain't weird to not eat food that was prepared in cookware also used to prepare meat if you don't eat meat. Many cultures follow the same in regards to beef, pork, and dairy. What is weird is killing 4 strangers. What is also weird is writing into an illuminated rectangle to exchange ideas with strangers. So.
I’m vegetarian, me and my husband who ate meat had different pots and pans. His meat couldn’t touch my pans, I wouldn’t wash his dishes. I I honestly don’t think it’s that strange. I think the aunt is blowing it out of proportion
@@darlenechandler2403 IMO it stands out as extreme entitlement and enabling to his demands (by parents I'm assuming). If it was so important to him he could have bought or brought his own pots and pans rather than others being expected to fulfill his demands.
Would think she would know better and realize the judge ordered gag order for a very important reason .
People, especially the media, don’t want to recognize that their actions can affect the ability of the defendant to get a fair trial. Yeah Kohberger probably did it, but if this goes to trial and he’s found guilty, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s an appeal based on jury bias assuming that’s possible in Idaho. Sometimes shutting up is more beneficial than broadcasting every single minute detail about a case.
She doesnt seem very bright
This isn’t new news
Seriously! … but they are about that $$$$$$ period. Not giving info for concern for families or us.
I’m actually blocking this News Nation because of the ignorance to keep saying their gonna find info despite judge gag order.
Am glad the Judge did this. I was hoping this would happen. Sick of the conspiracy theories and rumor mongering and ruining innocent people’s lives. Great job Judge. Glad to see one that has some balls.
*Ovaries.
Na this is a violation of freedom of press freedom of speech but judges do what they want because they know no one can stop them
This idiot isn’t innocent so it doesn’t matter.
@@Charmander009 you can go with that until you’re a victim or your family member(s) are the victim of a violent crime. I do know one thing if the press ever hounded my home like I’ve seen them hound other people, they will not be met with a friendly welcome. And if they set foot on my property they’d be met with a shotgun ordering them off.
@@Charmander009 You see how many who misinterpret what they hear, make panicky statements, bordering on hysteria, affecting others. That's why they issue gag orders, and rightly so.
The tougher gag order says a lot about the media.
Media doesn't care who it hurts it feels like. It's frustrating but true
Does this not screw up the evidence that can be used against him now that it's been leaked to the public? We want him punished with no room to wiggle out and I'm worried details like these leaked could threaten that
It is the social media era , most cases except terrorists cases will have a lot of social analysis and most
Of the time the crimes can be understood by going through the Suspects profile anyway . I’m just as shocked how fast it’s developing I thought at first the cops were grasping at straws but I know they wouldn’t release that stuff to the public
I think you have a point. Defence will just say it’s not possible to have a fair trial because of the media coverage. I think the judge is trying to prevent this.
This is america , jury vote guilty 99% of time so no need to worry .
SO TRUE!💯
Leaked like the blood dripping from the home????
If you read those posts he made as a kid about thinking a special diet would help "cure" the visual snow. Tapatalk or whatever it was called. He wasn't eating vegan for the sympathy of animals. He was doing this for "health purposes." So let's remember not all vegans are vegan for the sake of animals, which sounds wild but that can help you make sense as to his antics
Good point 👍
It didn’t work
You have sense. Others don’t get this
If that's his reasoning its absurd. Vegan is not necessarily healthier.
@scottythetrex5197 he was obsessed with "toxins" and the idea that specific foods were better than others. Very common in people who have health problems, they will go to any extreme to find a "solution." It seems like he did an elimination diet of sorts. Similar to those who might go all raw vegan, gluten free, dairy free, lion diet, etc... they are usually trying to identify a cause to their illnesses.
Good for the judge. While I selfishly want to know more details, She’s trying to protect the trial and investigation.
The way she was smiling and proud of this piece of information was uncalled for! Seriously, these reporters need to stop because we need justice for the victim’s families. The way they both are smiling just creepy!!
im wondering why you guys are all on here though? they wouldn't be reporting if there wasn't a demand...
I swear Ashley needs to stop. She is way too involved
Wym?
This is what she does for a living like Nancy grace I'm confused 🤔
@@almondeyez_80 Nancy grace is way too in her feels, makes it feel more like I'm reading a sensationalized tabloid magazine when I watch her.
Weird to have all these people complaining about media following the case .... when they're on TH-cam following the case, watching the videos, and commenting.🤔
She's one of the worst newspeople on News Nation !!
Yea, these victims were definitely targeted.
Man I now realize I have an addiction to making stupid ass jokes that I find hilarious but most people wouldn’t be too fond of
Great. He can have a carrot for his last meal.
Brilliant💡‼️
I don’t want to know details if it may compromise the court proceedings. What I want more than anything is for justice for those 4 young people and their loved ones
Was the knife sheath you left at the murder scene made of leather, Bryan, or did you order a vegan one?
Excellent point
rite a real freek thinking here
Maybe nylon
@@MP77USA It was a joke, not to be analyzed.
@@MP77USA I see. I thought it was because you’ve no humor or you were womansplaining to all of us. You’ve won the ego battle. 😃
I think in this case a gag order is probably a good idea.
I agree
My theory is he got rejected by one of those young ladies and got his feelings hurt. He couldn't handle being rejected.
Very possible. Who knows what darted through his mind watching these pretty ladies wait tables.
He sure didn’t mind putting his murder weapon in a leather sheath.
Not All vegans are that strict. Eating animal products or by products is where it ends.
@@barneyrubble4741What? No lol vegans are 100% against any & all animal products. Buying anything that’s made by harming animals is off the table. Especially fur & leather. Veganism extends beyond diet & simply following a plant based diet doesn’t make one vegan. So, Bryan is not actually a vegan
@@py16667 absolutely not true. Not ALL vegans are that strict. It's hard to be strictly vegan. So many things are made from animal products and byproducts. Some ONLY don't for dietary purposes!
@@py16667 educate yourself on a vegan diet vs a vegan full on lifestyle. There's a difference.
Maybe he did. Maybe that's why he didn't take it.
Always had this theory. Always thought it could be a disgruntled loser who got turned down by his advances. Makes sense He’s vegan, they serve vegan and he went to their restaurant
Yeah, in the back of mind, I always kept coming back to Maddie and Xana both working in that restaurant. He also has a history of creeping out women in restaurants, per the waitresses and brewery owner of the place in Penn. I now believe that’s where he first came into contact with them.
I posted above, but this makes that story of the bar owner part of this investigation. It matters how he treated others that turned him down by his advances.
On TripAdvisor Pullman has dozens of good vegan restaurants. Too bad BK chose the Mad Greek and probably fixated on Maddie and Xana, if that bar in Penn was anything to go by.
@@ksc743 Pullman, WA has zero vegan restaurants. Moscow, ID also has zero vegan restaurants. BK was going to have a hard time eating at restaurants if his demands at home carried over.
@@catspajamas2961 you don't know how to use a keyboard? Google says 14 in Pullman and 5 in Moscow, Idaho.
True. I remember people who stood out when I was a server. I specifically remember two different request.
I’m curious…what requests?
I worked as a barista for a summer(so like 3 months) and memorized a lot of peoples orders/names. Even if they only came in once or twice, i remember their face. I was the only employee on my shifts so i was talking to the customer, taking their order and making their drink
edit: also 2 years later and i can still remember 4 names and their orders
I also can remember the guests who had a special way of ordering stuff, I worked at Starbucks.
@@rubyoro0 1. Never allow their diet coke glass go half empty. 2. Don’t butterfly the shrimp.
It kind of all makes sense now. He met Maddie and Xana at the Mad Greek. He started stalking them and sent Maddie DMs on Instagram which were unanswered and probably unseen. He took it personally and decided to target them. Somehow he figured out which rooms in the house they were in. This would explain why he left 2 roommates unharmed.
Yes! Definitely makes sense now that he killed M and X on purpose and thus also had to kill the person who was physically close to them. 💔💔💔. Wow. RIP you four beautiful people. ♥️♥️♥️
It was probably easy to figure out, considering there were hardly any coverings on most of the windows
Stop trying to make sense of a paycho
He drove So many times by there rental home that he knew which room she was in Probably when she had arrived at home from her work-he was stocking her Many times to make sure which was her room. Also...probably was at her work to see what she drove. So when the lights went on the top floor he figured theirs where her room was. That's why he aimed up stairs as soon as he got inside they're home. His aim was not the girl in the first floor...he rushed out when he was done with the 4 victims and figured that the girl down stairs had to have called 911 by the time he killed the Fourth victim...
What A DEMON
Any details on the bryan kohberger diet? I need to lose weight pronto. Did he follow an specific weight loss plan or was it just the veganism + being a heroin addict?
Don't eat sugar, you will lose a lot..sugar turns to fat fast
Omg him ordering a vegan pizza and having strict odd request is headline . Having worked in the restaurant industry and retail this wont surprised you at all . The type of people that are out there like that or worse will surprise you .
100% false reporting by People.
I really hope so because it would make them look so freaking stupid.
Ashleigh you just outed the person who gave this info saying they just stopped working there
Yeah, now everyone knows who it is!
They're really the outsider now!
Great job Ashleigh, you just proved why people shouldn't trust you.
And you just flagged it up in the comments lol
Food for thought: KG sometimes ate at the Mad Greek & visited her friends there. She wrote a Yelp review of the place. BK could have ran into KG there.
Yep. Good point.
The picture of K G with the sunflowers in her hands looks like she worked at a coffee kiosk/place he might drink coffee
No…it was Madison and Xana who were targeted! Not Kaylee. Sorry 😞.
@@Alexandria.Washington we don’t know for certain because LE hasn’t stated who was targeted. At this point, it’s only speculation.
I see no problem with the gag order. These young victims have families that don’t want to be reminded everyday on the news. Respect the families and friends in this difficult time
To be Vegan means to be compassionate to all sentient life. He's no Vegan.
Correct!
No, it means to not eat animal products. Period. Stop trying to change definitions.
No, to be one is to have an eating disorder, which it is. People are naturally omnivores, and veganism is not natural or healthy.
Oh shit, I thought if ya stopped eating animals ya get a free pass to kill people, whoops……. My bad
@@joeberger3441 It's a lifestyle, not a diet!
I've thought that he went into that restaurant and maybe got snubbed somehow, or felt an energy that triggered him somehow. That just makes so much sense, because what he did isn't random.
I believed this was the motive - he got snubbed on Instagram when they ignored him and at the restaurant or wherever he saw them, they constantly snubbed him.
The stricter gag order was most likely because of the attorney that handled the extradition. He was going around telling whoever would listen about what him and Kohberger talked about.
So either Maddie and Xana were the targets and Kaylee and Ethan just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, or perhaps all three of the girls were targets. I think he may have tried to pursue them and kept getting rejected/ignored.
Then why did he attack Kaylee the most they said in one of the reports. Unless she too fought back. We will find out when he goes to court, who is target was.
@@darlenechandler2403 based on People reporting, his social media that is believe to be him under Papa Rogers indicated that the knife dull from the first to the fourth victim. The fourth being Kaylee. This is so sad.
I agree...seems like he was stalking
I’ve said this as soon as I heard Maddie and Xana worked together.
Food for thought: KG sometimes ate at the Mad Greek & visited her friends there. She wrote a Yelp review of the place. BK could have ran into KG there.
Good job Ashley. You’re doing great coverage on this case. Getting a lot of detailed info from your reporting. I trust you when it comes to updates.
So happy about the strict gag order and hope the press can gain the basic respect for the families and for this process, and stop scrounging and hounding for details on this, at least until the next court dates
This makes sense as Kaylee had already moved out. Ethan and Kaylee were both technically not supposed to be there that night.
That’s creepy. Unless Kaylee was the target and it was the last time he could see her, if he knew she was there and leaving. I don’t even want to think of any option. I can’t imagine how scared the two survivors were when they realized to. To live with that forever. I hear noises I learned to ignore as normal but now I am really listening to everything. Friends of mine said there is tons of strange noises all night in those dorms. People coming and going late/early morning. When one of the survivors heard the male voice being tired maybe they thought it was Ethan comforting his girlfriend if she was sobbing.. it just gives me chills to think about how close it was.
@@MoonDragon1 Too bad it went down like it did, they could of teamed up and gave em a good old fashioned passionate ass whooping, 6 on 1.
@@billysummers1616 exactly! I can’t imagine the trauma the 2 surviving victims are going to deal with for the rest of their lives. Heartbreaking. And the 4 lives lost 😢
Well, if he was scoping the place, he knew at least Kaylee was there and count the cars that were there that evening. More than two for sure. He knew who was in that house.
@@julieanndiorio2286 except I thought I heard she moved out already and came back for the party and to show Maddie her new car. If that’s true. It’s possible he didn’t know what her car looked like yet.
Good god Ashleigh! What did he order, blah, blah, blah. FFS!!! Could you try to sensationalize every little segment?!? It’s sickening! I used to be a huge fan too. So disappointing.
@@_MPR I haven’t been able to stand seeing her face much less hearing her voice. She’s an attention whore as far as I’m concerned. Haven’t watched her in at least two decades, probably three. Unfortunately, she still gets news coverage and I have to see and hear her until I can switch off. UGH!!!
I couldn’t agree more!
Thank you for reporting....this is really hard information. Prayers to you and the communities.
It also came out that he followed at least 2 of the girls on Instagram and kept sending messages to them, but the girls never responded back. That's also how he might have known that they worked there and possibly where they lived or just could have followed them home. At least connections are coming to light.
I'm interested in what the defense attorneys for Bryan have to say about all these leaks to the media by state actors$ and what they think about the Judge who works for the state too and how her gag orders have adversely affected the defendant who has been convicted by public opinion thanks to the leaks
he feels bad for animals that get killed, but he kills people. what a weird dude.
Who said he feels bad for animals? He just eats plant based, for an unknown reason. If he was “vegan” & felt bad for animals, he wouldn’t have had a leather knife sheath & leather gloves, no vegan I know would ever
He's such a strict vegan but isn't the sheath for the knife leather? My sisters are vegan and not even honey passes their lips...
I didn't realize vegans considered honey industry exploiting the bees. Now I know. Just looked up PETA's arguments against honey. Interesting.
Exactly, so he’s not even vegan, he also had leather gloves. He was just ocd about food it seems
Absolutely true.
He's such a strict vegan because he hated the taste of meat, but nobody eats leather.
@@DennisWalker-xs2me Thanks for saying that. I like sensible statements.
I get it. Amendments and all but don't you get that the judge doesn't want to take any chances that this case will be messed up by social media etc? Don't taint the chance makes sense to me no?
I'm sure they will go through all his credit cards and find the connections. I'm sure he saw them in there. They are beautiful young people . They seemed fun full of life. Who knows what triggered this guy
Culture
If it is this guy
Lol exactly. Shes screaming about the first amendment with a gag order. People don't even know what they're talking about nowadays. They just scream I have rights!
@@el34glo59 I agree with you 💯 you're correct. Everyone is too sensitive
I am hoping that the news reporters don’t bungle things for the true investigators. There are reasons for gag orders and as much as I want to get the latest and greatest information it seems like this could cross a big line
The gag order is solely in place because it protects the trial. It's so that they can convict him rather than him walking free because someone revealed details they shouldn't have that prevents a fair trial from taking place.
Come on Bryan, if you committed the crime please just admit it. The first step to forgiveness is honest and open about the offense committed. Be a shinning example to all the other mass murderers and do the right thing. PLEASE.
Exactly
I’m sure he’s reading this, pondering on what to do 🙄
Can you imagine if you were his parents or his sibling? Or even one of his friends. Perhaps he didn't have friends and that might have been part of it . A Lonely Criminologist -- just be truthful.
@@fcfcfc962 I realize now how unlikely it is. I just got caught up emotionally and spewed. I'm a hopeful person. Thanks
Me streaming at 12 midnight:
Journalists in studio: Gag, gag, cant' gag me! Judge gag, attorney gag, gag order, witness gag, gag families, workers, restaurant, Mad Greek Restaurant, Mad Bryan. Mad Bryan Kohberger. Berger. Burger! No, no burger. Vegan!
cold burger
OMG he ate at the same pizza place the victims did in a relatively small town. Honestly the over dramatic behavior from Banfield is getting old.
Sus.. It has been widely reported that he would not eat at his relative's house unless his vegan meal was prepared in BRAND NEW cookware that had never been used. So, he's going to go to a public restaurant that serves LOTS of meat and take his chances on a vegan pizza? 🙄
Ikr! The rumors are endless and with no proof to back anything up. I've seen this speculative comment over and over again. That B.K. probably met them at the Mad Greek or the Corner Bar, as if they're the ONLY two places in town that he could've crossed paths with any or all of the victims. I've also seen that he probably went to the Mad Greek to order vegan pizza. Smh. He could've seen them at Walmart for all we know!
Yeah that makes no sense.
I think someone is irrational who goes out of his way to avoid eating animals but doesn't have a problem murdering humans.
They making up shit
@@Christina-71 I mean it is the most likely place dude he’s vegan and it’s a restaurant that serves vegan food that they also happened to work at. It’s not that deep
you guys are really squeezing everything you can out of this.
“What’d he order there?” Ugh…who cares what this guy eats…
Well I bet he's eating hued blueish-green "peanut butter" on stale bread now. Lol
@@MP77USA Not down in that basement of the county jail they don't! Lol
@@MP77USA Unfortunately, Trump's "vegan" Buffalo dude got that 'accommodation' set with the special vegan thang... but I still have to laugh in knowing that the basement in the old county jails are mostly 'reserved' for murderers & rapists... whom are confined to the worst of the worst.
They are extremely isolated within one very small cell per inmate and in the most coldest conditions (think freezer). The 3 very small portion of meals served daily are slide into their cell... and it doesn't even matter what they 'call it', most foods seem to have a different tinge and are unidentifiable to taste which gives them a horrible gas, except for a little apple they get sometimes.
Furthermore, most of the Sheriffs that have to work those shifts in the basement absolutely hate it and don't give one care about 'those ones' down there either.
Honestly, I can hardly wait until we as the 'public' get to see this psychopath again in late June. He's going to be as white as a ghost and as skinny as a skeleton... and that's 'if' he can even walk after laying on a very thin pad with very cold cement under, in and around him for that long too. It may sound 'inhumane' but that's how these most dangerously unpredictable 'Suspects' can be best controlled and lest apt to be able to find anyway to escape! Works for me, doesn't it you?! 😁
Many many people are Vegans - there isn't anything unusual about making sure the pizza is free from any animal products. Also the eating out of pots that have been used for cooking meat is definitely not strange for a vegan. Maybe in small towns these stand out but not in bigger populations~ just standing up for us vegetarians and vegans -
I think the point was to explain why the person who supposedly supplied this information remembered him. I don't think any reasonable person is blaming veganism for the brutal murders although it's somewhat ironical. (Adolph Hitler was a vegetarian and very kind to his dog but that's not linked to his infamy.)
@@randygraham926 Hitler was a meat eater until the last 7-8 years of his life, when his doctor recommended he become vegetarian for health reasons. Even then he still ate meat occasionally while calling himself a vegetarian until 1942 when he went totally vegetarian. source wikipedia
Strict vegan....uses knife with leather sheath...brown leather gloves ....and so on...
????
Aka definitely not vegan lol
This is so stupid. I worked in a restaurant for 8 years, there was very little chance I would remember some random person that had a different diet. A regular person would be remembered but not some guy that came in a couple of times. Dopey hostess “well this aligns with other reports of his vegan lifestyle.” Yeah or… this restaurant worker never actually saw him, but is hungry for some attention so she claims to have seen him and repeats info she heard on tv about his vegan diet. This report is as stupid as it gets.
@mjk121882, The guy asked for something that not too many ask for. Most people in life remember things odd to them.
Do not think that everyone is like you. How many people live in the area that you live and think different, and they could never be right. And YOU think YOU have the ONLY valid judgements, or in this case, which you probably always do, criticize any interpretation that does not agree with YOUR experiences. How self important you are. EGO.
Listen and learn.
That last line is what an old pastor would tell us, and if I'm reading you right, he got married that day. Lol
"Can't gag me" she said 🤔
Somebody should "gag" her ! She is so annoying !
“It’s ok, I’m going to help you” could be something related with what Xana has told him in the Mad Greek or it is a sadist sentence? It is just too weird and crazy.
I wondered that, too. I also wonder if it was Ethan saying that to Xana after they were attacked.
I read somewhere else (I forget where) that this was a signature line of a famous serial killer (I forget which one). So take it with a grain of salt, but if I have time I’ll try to find out if that’s accurate.
That makes sense. People are presumed innocent in America til proven guilty!
If you talk to a lot of people who have been wrongfully convicted for a crime.
It seems like people are guilty until proven innocent.
I thought People Magazine wasn't a reliable source? A few weeks ago someone from that restaurant made a statement that Byran hadn't been to their restaurant 😳
Same with the fact that he didn’t follow any of them on social media. I don’t believe anything unless there is physical proof.
@Sarah Patterson exactly why suddenly they remember going to that restaurant twice, yet a few weeks ago it was reported by an employee of that restaurant that they didn't recognize Byran or remember seeing him their. 🤔
The guy she’s on her segment with spoke with a person who worked there directly. It wasn’t from people magazine. Did you not watch the video?
I don't think a restaurant can verify if a person was a customer except a small specific time by checking video. If someone came months ago and paid cash, how would they know?
I believe that was the corner club that made that statement however I could be wrong.
Does anyone think he gets a vegan meals in prison?
I heard he did in jail
Yes.
Sadly yes
Yes. It’s common practice to accommodate inmates as long as it’s not a huge imposition: not uncommon and standard for many if not all inmates.
yes. that has already been confirmed. and Jewish prisoners are fed kosher, Muslim fed halal, Hindus fed veggo or no beef, celiacs fed gluten-free etc.
So Ethan AND Kaylee were in the wrong place at the wrong time...figured Kaylee was target..
Maybe Kaylee had the more brutal attack because she tried to fight for Maddie
3:10 she makes it sound like it’s crazy. same thing as kosher.
If he was truly vegan I’m now 99.99% sure he’s guilty (when considering all the other evidence). This would explain why he spared the dog (which didn’t make sense at all), since he values animal life more than human life.
What says he has to wack the dog? As if someone has to be interested in killing everything lol. The dog is no witness. I heard of a lot of times dogs were at the scene of someone getting killed, It’s just the focus isn’t on a dam dog.
Yet he bought a leather knife sheath & leather gloves, things vegans wouldn’t want to ever touch? Doesn’t seem like he cared much about veganism anyway
@@jordanm1651 You are correct, there's murder cases where "hunters" killed people and left the victims pets alive at the scene.
epenies...you need to watch a lot more "true crime" before you comment something this silly.
Only thieves are interested in killing dogs and other pets when trying to get in to a house where pets can makes noises.
Obviously the judge did this to protect the case so the defence can't complain or ask for it to be thrown out of court. The fact this host is practically giddy about receiving any type of news that could impact the case on this way is disgusting.
Hitler ate green salad
Must have ate there too then /s
I've been saying this for over a month he saw them at the restaurant where the 2 worked at the restaurant. The simplest reason is typically the answer.
Exactly. Add the incel factor and it's blatantly obvious...
@@deecastle5053 You don't have to believe it but people who work and worked there are saying it
*of course there's a gag order* the case comes up in 6 months - how hard will it be then to find a jury that hasn't been tainted?
guilty or not, the guy has a right to due process, doesn't he?
If this goes to trial (it will be in Idaho) and it is going to be hard to find a jury neutral. There is going to be a divide (like politicians) with minds made up and no budging. I hope this doesn't go to trial and he plead life in prison, no death penalty, no parole but will that be enough for the families!
As beautiful as Kaylee, Xana and Maddie were, they would have stood out in any sized restaurant to a healthy, single young man. IMO.
In regards to people standing out for an unusual characteristic and being caught in a crime, one of my favorites is a woman who may have gotten away with murder except for one of those “unusual characteristics.” She poisoned capsules and placed them in bottles of medication (used for treating headaches) for sale at a pharmacy. She bought one of these bottles and brought it home. Her husband (and an additional woman) died because of those capsules. Her plan was to kill him and collect his insurance money- and have a more exciting life. Seriously! A copy cat killing from the unsolved Tylenol capsule tampering case in Chicago.
The person working on the case found tiny green crystals inside the capsules which had been tampered with. A chemical analysis found that they were an algicide which is used in capsules treating fish tanks and garden pools for algae. A smart investigator visited local pet shops with the suspect’s picture hoping that someone might remember her from when she purchased the algicide capsules. Two employees immediately remembered her from months before because she was “the lady who jingled.” She had a small bell on her pocketbook strap. The investigator had noticed the same jingle! Caught, tried, convicted- of murder. (murderpedia.org/female.N/n/nickell-stella.htm).
I think law enforcement has done a great job in getting Bryan Kohberger. Knowing how he became aware of them is important to their loved ones- but his phone records and proximity to their residence proves that he was in their vicinity in the months prior to their deaths. I’m glad this reporter found that the rumors linking Kohberger to the Mad Greek were true.
Truly remarkable...however did he get this info...wow I mean he ordered a vegan pizza never would have guessed this one...stellar reporting. I'm being Sarcastic people
At the restaurant that Maddie and Xana worked at? It’s significant.
@@sww3405 never said it wasnt
When creating a media sensation regardless of where the information comes from is sooo much more important that ensuring an active case remains an airtight conviction to find justice for the multiple victims and their surviving families
Slow clap
Exactly my thoughts. And now today the owner of the restaurant has posted that this was all fabricated anyway. Nice job spreading lies, media.
Wow Ashley! I really wanted to know what Bryan wanted to eat at Mad Greek. Respect the gag order and stop ruining the prosecution. There are so many stories you can milk. Talk about Rajan Moonesinghe being shot in his own home by the cops!
How in the world they’ll ever find an non-biased group of jurors is beyond me. The judge is doing everything within her power to try to make that happen.
Why did she not speak about this before?
Maybe this is the first time anybodys asked her about it.
@@sww3405 the police would have appreciated that tip a long time ago. They asked for tips from the public.
@@theresagosnell7645 I'm sure the police knew
@@el34glo59 so she told them and no one else.? Ok .
The gag order is proper! Come on, the media is all over this! No matter how this turns out, this guys life is over! Because of the media, most readers think this is a slam dunk! There's a lot of holes in the story, circumstancial evidence....
You Kohberger fanboys are something else. Write him love letters
@@stephanea5364 Fanboy? No, what I am is a realist, not some TH-camr that thinks everything social media prints is the gospel. The biggest travesty would be to have this guy get off, because
Social media and "Public opinion" was so sure of his guilt! Do you think all the media coverage is prejudicing
Jury selection? Do you think all the media attention helps, or hurts his chances? Public opinion is to string this guy up right now! Like some lynch mob from the old west! If they had a rock solid case the prosecution would never have asked him to wave his right to a "speedy trial"! No murder weapon, no eyewitness. and no confession, not even a motive! Remember, its not what you know, but what you can PROVE in court. A lot of the evidence is not conclusive! Circumstancial evidence is not proof, especially in a murder case! There are a lot of holes or the police wouldn't ask the public for help! The craziest thing to me is his silence, and willingness to be imprisoned now! I would be screaming of my innocence and demand to be set free! It's scary that he is so calm, and should be dealt with cautiously because of his demeanor! If he did plan all of this, it won't be any cake walk to convict him! There are specific processes to be followed, and he knows them all! I want the guilty person convicted as much as anyone else, but I'd hate to see a stupid mistake
set him free!
@@keithsparling5537 He's guilty as sin and you know it. Yes, we'll wait for the proofs, but in the meantime, the case against him is strong and we don't even know everything they have
@@stephanea5364 I believe he's guilty. Proving it beyond a reasonable doubt is another issue! Making stupid mistakes in the process could be his ticket to freedom! That's what I'm really saying!!! Evidence? Nothing that has been released yet is solid proof! The pings on the cell tower mean nothing, he lived too close, and a trip to his neighborhood convenient store, (miles from their house) would ping on that same tower! DNA is regarded as solid proof, but its not! DNA can be transported on clothing, like dust.... you could hug someone good bye in New York, and they could transport your DNA to any murder scene, anywhere in the world! Law enforcement doesn't share that information very often, but it's a fact! No murder weapon, no eye witness, No confession, not even a solid motive! Theres a lot of "leading" evidence, but solid proof is needed to convict on 1st degree murder! The fact that Police have asked people to come forward, and they asked him to wave his "right to a speedy trial" are strong indications they are do not have a lot to go on! I thought O.J. was guilty, still do, But America watched him walk because of botched Police work! It's not what you know, ITS WHAT YOU CAN PROVE!
Just pray they are going to be able to get all their ducks in order to prepare and present this case to get a conviction. I would definitely be horrific if they don't get a conviction.
These reporters don’t give a damn about the victims and justice being served. All they care about is getting the exclusive. Sickening.
at least a sensible connection have been presented by a somewhat reputable source....the compeling mystery for me now is the 8-hour gap of the 911 call, bcoz we can technically pressume that all the victims are just wounded after the attack and it took 8 hours to call 911? its like living someone to bleed to death. hope we get a hint on why this is the case....
you have to think about the fact that you would not think someone was in your house murdering your roommates. yes, but what is he steeling pots and pans. He phone might have died and she fell asleep while it was charging. She texted her friends and they said just go to sleep we will come by in the morning. Nothing you can do now he has left. Lock your door get sober as you are under 21 and drunk and high. So much can be said about this and she could have easily been in shock during the night and scared and couldn't move or scream or anything! the fact she ID him before they found him, is the critical part of her testimony.
Having separate pots and pans for vegans and vegetarians is nothing new. I think several of the armchair cops need to get out in the real world. All of a sudden,everything this guy does is weird,when,in reality,it occurs in thousands of homes and situations. Bunch of wannabes.
So ordering vegetarian pizza at a trendy spot makes him suspect but not calling 9-11 for 8 hours calling friends to a murder scene isn't suspicious 🤔 ?
No one said it made him a suspect. However, it could be a connection
I can't even imagine what my home life would be like with a GAG order?!?
peace and quiet 😃
@@scottmcwave9479 bingo
So sad, such beautiful young kids gone. They all were going to go on and do good things for this country. This country needs more kids like they were. We have a huge mental health crisis in this country with our children but the politicians would rather pay their own pockets than pass legislation that helps our kids. We parents need to spend more time and talk to our kids more if we want this problem to reside. I’m heart broken for the parents as I have two kids of my own 17 and 13 years old. I couldn’t live without them.
You never know.
No, kids need to be more cautious and not party like they did. This country has to get over this " right of passage" called partying! It's one thing to have a civilized party, or a joyous occasion. But it's another to party hard to oblivion and lose self control. That's what these " beautiful" kids did. This is terrible behavior! If you worry about your children, teach them this type of behavior has many horrible, sometimes irreversible consequences.
@@kimdawcatgirl Were you at the parties?
@@jamesplymire5342 I'm 59, hardly, but, the cops were many times and they have bodycam footage of these parties on youtube. On top of that, I worked in ER for 30 years in a college town. And, I went to college for 4 years and had to deal with roommates who were only there to party. I was not. I was studying to be a pharmacist, but left that to become a Respiratory Therapist. I couldn't stand handing over drugs that would later be used to take a life. I wanted to save people instead.
@@kimdawcatgirl So
The judge added this additional gag to shut up the Goncalves attorney specifically.
Like it or not, he does have the right to a fair trial, as our government and constitution allows. Speculative and accusatory reporting doesn't serve any benefit to getting justice for these victims.
Obsessional vegan psycho. Interesting. Maybe there's something obsessional about veganism per se.
There is. It is in fact an eating disorder.
Wow, what’s with all the vegan hate?
@@ValleyoftheRoguenope, veganism isn’t even a diet, it’s an ethical stance against animal cruelty, that includes humans
Or maybe there’s just something obsessional about a clearly disturbed obsessed stalker with homicidal desires
@@JuneInjoy Not hate. Just calling out what CAN BE a trendy, fashionable obsession.
So that is the connection! Well done, Ash!! This explains how he got to know them. Xana had more wounds on her, as well was Kaylee. There might have been a revenge motive too. Apparently he DM'ed one of the women on Instagram several times with no response. I'd love to know who that was. I'm guessing it was Maddie. She also has blonde hair like the nurse BK dated earlier in his life, when she had blonde hair (later dyed red). Good news reporting.
I also think the gag order imposed by the judge was overdue. We should let things rest now and let the case proceed, even though curiosity is at its highest levels.
Do you realize how many ppl may have frequented that place? It was a small town. Why would he go to a restaurant that he knows full well may have cross contamination and DEMAND anything since he's aware they serve animal products, all the while allegedly complaining that his family MUST use new pans? That's absurd to some. However, I have seen vegans step in front of trucks that were delivering animal products. Was he so crazed about veganism that he went appsh*t about the girls working or being at a place that serves animal products? Which is it? So many possibilities. We will see!
Do you believe everything anyone tells you? You should be careful.
It sounds like something more than just extremely strict vegan diet. Refusing to eat from cookware, which had been in contact with animal products, is illogical. It sounds more like obsessive-compulsive disorder.
Intelligence, he ordered a pizza and wanted to make sure the kitchenware hadn’t touch meat. Yep Banefield you got the intelligence you sure did. Amazing you can be pissed that a judge issued a gag order in order to have a fair trial. But you think you are more special than anyone else so you should get everything. Let’s call the whambalance for Ashleigh.
I worked in the legal profession and that is how it works, they don’t want anyone doing anything to hamper this case, so that this guy does not get off, if he is guilty, like OJ Simpson. Ashleigh was also hyper and ranting when the LE weren’t giving out too much because they were actually following this guy’s moves and keeping everything confidential so they could catch him before he killed someone else. She needs to sit down with a legal professional and let them explain to her proper legal protocol that is in place. Everything will come out in the open in due time.
@@darlenechandler2403 I think she was a lawyer in a previous life. She mentioned one of the first cases she worked on was OJ. She knows better.
People have to realize in the affidavit he was stalking them as early as August. He would’ve had to have come across them really early since he was in PA as late as late spring/early June at least. It would mean Maddie and xana both already had to be in town and working there in august and he came across them over the summer. Maybe they were the first people he came across and or something happened but he was stalking them really early so if he came in Oct or sep etc. he was already stalking them?
Excellent points. I think it is very likely that when he moved to the area in June his Instagram account started suggesting accounts of nearby people to follow.
I'm leaning towards he saw one or more of them on Instagram first, then went to the Mad Greek.
People have to realize that this allegation of stalking based on the affidavit is conjecture at best and unfounded at worst. The affidavit simply states that his cell phone connected to a cell tower that services the same coverage area as the home. Depending on the location of the tower and the population density of the area serviced, a cell tower can have a coverage area of anywhere from 3 square miles to 50 square miles. All this evidence proves is that his cellphone was within the coverage area. It does not provide definitive proof of his actual location within this area nor does it prove what he was doing within this area.
@@mickeyoshea2035 he moved to the area in August.
@@LJE-B his mother posted online in June that he had moved to Washington. Someone replied telling her not to worry that she and the folks in Washington would be good to him.
@@UnKnown-sf9vw i agree with he cell tower pings are weak. The affidavit even clarified at one point that when pinging off the tower that provides coverage for the crime scene they do not think he was in Moscow.
But what does look bad is the report that he repeatedly messaged one of the roommates on social media after not getting a reply. Of course that is from an anonymous source but if that ends up being true it's can start to paint a picture if similar behavior is revealed.
Actually, I'm not mad at the judge for placing a gag order. If the case is going to be built, we don't need to have the evidence before hand. The more that is leaked, it opens up for the defense to claim no fair trial.
I'm glad the restaurant workers and owners got together and decided not to say anything. I'm sorry the former employee thought to share information. This was such a horrific crime. I can't begin to imagine how the families will have to re-live this tragedy at the trial; on both sides. What a way for families to be brought together.
Tabloid news here, absolutely NO meat to this story!
*Beautiful **#AshleighBanfield** HKBH BLESS YOU*
For what?? Spread the news to jeopardize the case and verdict and let the killer walk away?? 🙄
I see why they needed an extended preliminary gag order: vegan pizza.
If you were a vegan then none of what Bryan wanted would be weird. Being vegan is not weird, it's a life style that someone chooses to have. Let's just get evidence of Bryan being the killer so he is off the streets.
Where r they getting these info
The issue with the pots and pans has to do with relion ie Hindu (vegan diet) and Muslim's Muslims may eat chicken and fish and is refered to a Halaal diet. I live in South Africa and that is how Muslim and Hindu meals are prepare. If you are eating out then the kitchen must be certified through an accredited Muslim or Hindu body.
Exactly.
I feel like the words that Dylan heard a guy say was “ it’s ok , I’m going to help you “ was actually something one of the girls said to Bryan at the restaurant. He seemed to feel resentful & angry. I would think he had been dismissed or rejected by the girls ( in his head probably)
I just feel like it was related to something from the restaurant.
It's also a play out of Bundy's book.
stay off shrooms my dear
@@deebi8201 what the fck, my dear⁉️
@@Christina-71Source?
That's a stretch
You’re proud of finding a way to circumvent a gag order?
So, in order for you to exercise our first amendment rights, you are willing to risk that this accused murderer could possibly go free? Freedom of speech is our right, but sometimes good judgement and reasoning on when to exercise it should be considered.
im not anyway agreeing with Bryan but most vegans dont want their food to be cooked in anything that has had meat in it before.
As a vegan myself, for my own personal reasons, I can concur!
They're making vegans out to be some crazed psychos. It's a choice. Which doesn't make much sense that he went to a place that he knew full well served meat, as well. Did he just suddenly snap and say he was going to slaughter humans because they served or ate animal products?!
He bought leather products, the man isn’t vegan, he just eats plant based & happens to be insane
@@barneyrubble4741 it’s not always a choice. Have you never heard of food allergies and food protein intolerances that cause inflammation in the body?
@@JuneInjoy that's exactly what I'm saying. This reporting is making it out to be some weird phenomenon but it isnt.