Right? Omg i actually said out loud "yall really made a fricking fluff piece on a tiny error?" It LITERALLY happens to someone in basically every competition. Its not like she went out there and forgot how to do gymnastics!
Blame NBC. They "encourage" commentators for the popular Olympic sports to dumb down their commentary so that they're more accessible to the general public. If you listen to or read stuff from him on SM, he's not nearly as annoying.
YetiConfetti they're dying to create drama that doesn't even exist. They wanted people to be in suspense and wonder if Kyla would lose her spot on the team because of a tiny mistake 🙄
Jordyn: Literally has .1 of a lead Commentator: "Yeah she has this thing wrapped up!" Like?? The Gabby hate was really strong at this meet. I have nothing against Jordyn, but seriously?? Also the fact that Elizabeth Price was completely ignored is such bs.
She was NBC's Golden Girl for this games. Even during the team final they talking about how she missed on the All-Around like hello there are four others here too. Then during the All-Around they kept showing her it was brutal, nothing against Jordyn either but holy crap it was annoying.
I agree. Like for price, she was tied for third on day 1 and they didn't show her AT ALL on day 2 like wtf? Gabby may have had some inconsistencies but she was a high scorer when she hit. Also, finnegan's gymnastics were amazing and they kept yapping about her being Inexperienced. Imo, she was doing really well
And she was the only one who hugged Jordyn Wieber when she didn't qualify for the AA final at the olympics and shielded her from the camera when she cried.
Marvin Sharp was accused of sexual abuse, and they found child porn on his computer. While in jail, he was found dead by apparent suicide. Bridget has stated she was not abused by him, but she was obviously devastated when all this happened.
Learning about all of the abuse these gymnasts went through from Nassar and his disgusting name being mentioned makes me want to throw up. Burn in hell and rot in jail Larry.
Unfortunately it’s been rampant in this sport, especially here in the USA. Fortunately we are getting the act cleaned up but it’s disappointing to know how many young ladies were mistreated without any protection from a federation that should have been there for them. Now, with all the women we have in charge it’s nice to know that will be dealt with harshly when discovered.
The commentary is not easy. The man is in love with the sound of his voice. He doesn’t let the lady say much and then he keeps interrupting her. It’s great to see someone else for a change from the past.
I love them both two. Along with Jordyn, Mckayla, Kyla, Rebecca, and Nastia. Didn't they both look that same way, in nearly identical leotards, in an earlier competitions?
@@williegordon9188 where have you been? He sexually abused hundreds of girls for over 30 years and is currently going to die in prison because of it. But he went after McKayla pretty bad for a long time. She's not the only one though.
This meet was one of those signs that Jordyn's reign was soon to end. Only beating Gabby fractionally after a fall. Which is a full point off her score. And of course the american cup earlier when Gabby beat both Aly and Jordyn without formally being part of the competition.
I agree...Jordyn really wasn't scoring higher than Gabby, it was just that at times Gabby didn't hit. When Gabby hits (which was, of course the question) she was the higher scorer, so that really shouldn't have been a surprise to have Gabby over Jordyn if Gabby was doing well, which she'd been improving on controlling her nerves. Aly over Jordyn shouldn't have been a huge surprise, either. They both have the Amanar vault, neither of their bars aren't great (though Jordyn is perhaps better there), their beam routines are both very good (I don't recall their D-scores and typical E scores), and Aly had the much higher D-score on floor. So Jordyn missing out on AA wasn't a huge shock to me. Still devastating for Jordyn and I felt bad for her, but I wasn't really shocked.
I couldn't agree with you more! We should totally watch gymnastics together. I was slower on the uptake with Aly i guess because NBC had hyped Jordyn so much. After qualification day at Olympics i thought it through and saw that it was always going to be very close between these two cause essentially they are the same gymnast with similar strengths and weaknesses. Aly had been steadily increasing in the shadows whereas Jordyn was in the same state as last worlds
Also, if they had scored Jordyn's beam appropriately, Gabby would have been the national champion. They were giving Jordyn connection bonuses that shouldn't have been awarded. Unfortunately, it hurt Jordyn more than it helped her. I'm sure she would have changed her routine before the Olympics if those connection hadn't been awarded all along.
And if Gabby beam and vault were scored appropriately Jordyn would still win.Plus lets talk Gabby's bar execution going up 3 tenths for a worse routine.
I really think Nastia would have had a shot, but she clearly started training again way too late to be even close :( I mean - putting together a routine a week before nationals? No way that's gonna happen
That's what I was thinking. If you were going to make a comeback in gymnastics for the next Olympics, I think you need to start training a year and half before the Olympics. 6 months to a year of getting back into the shape they need to be and the rest for them to compete and prove to themselves
Gabse Staliunis Shows a lack of humility in my opinion. Blow off 4 years then come back for more glory? When the rest have been busting their butts for four years? Bad decision from one of the greatest.
she actually had a shoulder injury that kept her from returning. (similar to shawn johnson, who injured her knee skiing, tried to come back in 2011, and eventually retired)
They kept talking about Valeri's "plan" for Nastia, and how they had faith in it. What kind of a plan means you only start work on the routine a week and a half before competition? She would have been amazing with more time
I believe the "plan" they were referring to was his plan for 2008, to maximize her start value on the uneven bars, fine tune her floor and vault and uneven bars dismounts according to her injuries and strengths at that time. The plan for 2012 seems to have just been "start training again at the last minute on the same plan, not accounting for any of the changes since."
I will never understand how Valeri Liukin is considered such a good coach. 1. In 2007 Nastia was nowhere near ready to be vaulting. And to be having her do a triple twist dismount in beam. 2. Rebecca Bross had no business doing a double Arabian off the beam. And in 2011 she should not have been doing vault like she was. 3. Keeping that bean dismount for Bross while Nastia was competing for the same spot...sketchy.
Also Katelyn Ohashi. He always seemed super cold and mean to his gymnasts compared to the other coaches (Chow and Aly/Alicia's Coach). I think the only reason Nastia did somewhat well was because she was his daughter so maybe he wasn't as emotionally abusive to her as his other gymnasts.
I agree, he is completely awful coach all round. He always seems cold, distant and not encouraging with his gymnasts. Bross was clearly not ready on the level of everyone else and she shouldn’t been there, let alone do such a difficult dismount which she obviously can’t land. And nastia as well was completely unprepared and unconditioned, what kind of coach lets his gymnasts compete while so unprepared and perform routines which they have not properly learned
Apparently Bross was adamant about doing the Patterson as her dismount as was able to stick it a few times prior to this comp however ya I agree he shouldn’t have let her do it
he’s a former soviet gymnast so naturally he’s gonna bring that soviet mindset and aura into coaching. in the us we want more positivity, encouragement, etc. nastia did well under him probably bc of the father/daughter bond, but for other american girls they’d do better under more american-style coaching.
@@veronikas.8831 Even if she wants to do it, as her coach, he definitely could have pressed to her that she wasn't ready. Idk why Rebecca herself would even want to keep the dismount when she had several deductions even if she was able to land it. She was very talented so she could have tried something a bit easier like a double pike, 2.5 twists, or even 3 twists.
But I get that despite Rebecca insisting to do it is one thing but there comes a point where it’s up to the coach. He should’ve change it to a double back
+thetigerbeat007 agree... when she lands so chest-down on her full twisting back tuck, theres no way she can flip her body backwards again that quickly in order to get credited esp. on an int'l stage gabby does a great full twisting back tuck and lands with her chest much higher, i wonder if she might put in a connection
Looking at Jordyns beam and bars consistency in all the 2012 meets, it really wasn't that hard to see her not making the Olympic all around final because of the 2 per country rule. I think Kyla probably would have even beat her as well if she had been allowed to perform vault in the qualies.
I can't believe in the 2 full days of broadcasting they didn't show 1 single routine from Elizabeth Price who ended much higher than some of the girls that we've seen a lot of.
It is crazy watching how Gabby got slowly got better. She was inconsistent but slowly put everything together. She won trials. She won the olympic AA. The only thing I wish was that she turned off social media during competitions. She was so hurt about the hair comments. She struggled so much with it. Completely fell apart in event finals (2 times). She always got so much negativity.
@@nathanielhalls1893 yes, people were talking about how her hair didn't look nice and could have been done better. There were harsher comments but I won't state them. It really angered me because not only should her hair not matter when she's doing one of the most dangerous sports in the world, but people literally focused more on that than her winning AA and helping her team in the team finals smh. I barely saw anyone congratulate her at that time because of the hair comments, and people being bad that she beat komova even though she was more consistent that day
34:38 And Tim said it about Jordan's beam start value. This was wear Jordan was doomed for failure at the Olympics. Her new beam routine was based on connections that she could never execute and the domestic meets were giving her credit for some of them when they shouldn't have. Because then she went to the Olympics, wasn't getting credit for these connections, and went into Olympic qualifying and suddenly she gets a much lower start value than she was uses to. Yes, that wasn't her only fault in qualifying. She had a subpar vault and an out of bounds on floor. But beam really cost her in London.
And an error on bars too. She really was messy in qualifying, and I suspect her coach (may he burn in hell forever) knew she would miss it when it came time for floor- she just didn’t have enough to overcome all the issues.
I think it's really cool for Kyla's coach to applaud every move she makes, I believe this is an incentive for her to feel more confident and safe. Nastia's father seemed to be very strict.
Hey now... I have ridden some of my BEST scoring dressage tests after memorizing the (correct!) Test just moments before hopping on& trotting to warm up, or being super late to show jumping because they changed the schedule- waving my arm around to catch the officials attention like, "YESSS! IM NUMBER 364!!! I DIDNT SCRATCH IM HERE!!!! LET ME DO ONE CIRCLE/JUMP ONE JUMP/WATCH JUST 1 RIDER JUMP THE COURSE & ILL BE GOOD TO GOOOOO!" *please, horse show gods, let this be more than just wishful thinking* & it almost makes u have to focus so much more on WHAT you actually have to DO- rather than having it soooo OVER memorized & practiced that you're not thinking about it anymore- doing THAT almost allows you more room to develop so many more nerves & to overthink things... I see some of these girls perform the same routines competition after competition, year after year, and they mess up "silly things/some of the easiest parts of their routines/moves they've performed a million times!" whereas sometimes if it's a NEWER routine that they're just learning, they almost seem to have better focus on the moves & have less room mentally for nerves... Maybe it's totally different sports- but I bet there's some similarities in there mentally when it comes to OVER practicing some things! (Not to say learning a routine like this a week & a half before performing it is the BEST idea either? But, I think there's definitely some validation in changing things up& not over preparing!)
I know everyone is going on about nassar, but it's insane how deeply abusive the USAG is. Like this is a legit who's who of various degrees of assault. You have marta, marvin sharp, artur akopyan, geddert, debbie van horn, valeri liukin, donna & bill Strauss, mlt and penny.
@@sso.blueskye Read "Chalked Up" by Jennifer Sey. (She produced Athlete A and was national champ in 1986. Their coaching techniques were of a different sort, mostly weight... but they ignored sexual abuse too. Generally, they scream and yell negative junk to an abusive degree, ignore injuries, and no one ever tells anyone to eat protein so their wounds could heal, for example.
Never will I understand why Bross didn’t change her beam dismount. Her coach didn’t force her to keep the Patterson, it was her decision. She never landed it well.
I love when the announcers are babbling away then the next gymnast starts to run to the vaulting horse or is getting ready to do their dismount annnnd- Thentheysuddenlytalkreallyfastlikeanauctionannouncertoracetogettheirlastwordsandthoughtsouttherebeforethegymnastgoes!!!! Maybe just... Pause and take a breather, then come back to that thought?? Haha
I’d forgotten that she actually was a senior in 2012. She was basically ignored by Marta that year- unnecessarily- and didn’t really start making headway until 2014. Thank goodness, after the 2016 heartbreak she finally made it… and got a silver!
It was for a concussion. It is doubtful that anything sketchy happened in this particular instance. Likely they weren't alone, either, not at a meet like this.
McKayla Maroney's fall was terrifying. I can't imagine how painful that must have been on her back and ribs. I bet the wind was completely knocked out of her.
Right?! Yikes!!! I've been riding& competing horses in dressage jumping but mainly 3 Day Eventing (like a horse triathlon that includes dressage, show jumping& cross country jumping) for over 20yrs now- and sure I had fallen off but never really had a bad fall or gotten HURT before I was 15 or so (still had that young, fearless, teenage mindset of "I'm INVINCIBLE, MUAHAHAA!") then I was warming up for XC at an event and was 1 of only 2 people left to go in the warm up ring when I jumped a fence & my horse landed on a half buried rock & he tripped, fell& sommersaulted over top of me... I had never had the wind knocked out of me before that- but damn. I laid there on my back, arms pinwheeling around, trying to sit up& gasping for air, probably looking like a total idiot- I had NO CLUE what was happening!?! Having the wind knocked out of you is so friggin SCARY! My horse actually ended up being totally fine, and once I got my breath back, someone helped me back on & I still rode & actually had a clear xc round & won my division at the show- but I didn't find out until I finally went to the Dr almost a week later because it was still hurting to breathe- that I had also broken 2 ribs. (And I kept RIDING, but, hey, it got me out of PE in school for a month, YESSS!!!) but now in my late 20s, I've had a number of concussions- mostly pretty minor- I've been kicked& shattered my shoulder, kneed by my old horse in the face& broke my orbital socket, jaw& 4 teeth (it's been almost 5 years & I'm STILL dealing with my cracked teeth needing to be pulled& getting implants put in soon! Ack!) But man- I REALLY, REAAAALLLLLY feel for these girls when they land badly & you can tell they hurt their ankles or knees!! I've severely sprained 1 ankle twice the other 3x, once I sprained both at the same time- and when I was 19 I fell when schooling my youngest horse on cross country & I broke my nose (for about the 4th time lol) and completely snapped/severed my PCL in my left knee- which is a pretty unusual, difficult injury to even incur- but I swear I still remember & feel it going POP every time I hear them talk about one of these poor girls having a knee injury, or feel my cartilage & scar tissue ripping, tearing & crackling in my own ankles any time any of these girls look like they so much as ROLL theirs! You've got to be sooo mentally and physically tough in so many of today's sports, gulp!!
11:40 I never realized how locked in gabby was here, even on beam… she’s off like an inch and falls, and then immediately gets up and like opens her 3rd eye or something because she turns into freakin Shawn Johnson!
I love Aly Raisman. I really do, but for years they kept saying that Aly was working on her form on bars. I am no expert, but I never noticed any discernible improvement in her bars form from 2011 to 2016.
Not everyone is extremely strong on bars, just like not everyone is a beam queen. Aly actually had the best set I ever saw her have during Rio qualifying… not AA finals obviously but that didn’t end up mattering. Her form wasn’t good but it was just enough.
@rjt93 Did you see Bross' uneven bars performance at Olympic Trials? No way in hell she was going to make the team after that. Her beam was no where near good enough either. Even if she had hit uneven bars at trials, Marta would never pick a one-event gymnast for a five-person team over an all-arounder. Raisman was a lock for the team.
Marbles P Mckayla wasn't put on the team as a one event gymnast she was also put on the team to do floor but broke her foot the day the team arrived in London and only ended up doing vault.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of Tim’s commentary in general, but the fact that even he pointed out the problems with Jordyn’s beam connections shows how her skills are obviously not connected. I can’t believe the coaches sent Jordyn to the Olympics with that beam routine.
I wish Nastia would have changed her bars routine, she was trying to do the same one as 2008 and after growing and everything they should’ve changed it up to suit her now.
I don't know how they can focus on beam with somebody's floor music playing. I have noticed a few times where the beam routine just happens to fit perfectly with the music though🤷🏻♀️
Ksenia Afanseyva's TF BB is one of my favorites of all time because it has Sandra Izbasa's FX music playing in the background, so incredibly beautiful! th-cam.com/video/MSW2W1uBwUg/w-d-xo.html
They train to block out exterior stimulus and focus solely on what they are doing. I was a track and field athlete and when I got up to throw (discus) I didn’t even hear my coach speaking a few feet away from me.
even with gabby falling still gets 2nd place and is behind by 2 tenths so if she did not fall she would have placed 1st and jordyn would be behind by 8 tenths
Rebecca Bross’ dismount is always so painful to watch. I feel so bad for her. Can’t imagine her having to watch Aly Raisman land it over and over again.
She unfortunately refused to switch to something she could consistently stick. She admitted later that it was her choice to keep it. I still feel that, even without the knee injury she wouldn’t have made the team. Too many others were more consistent, more reliable by then.
I absolutely love who they picked to represent the USA at the Olympics. But I have to say I really wanted to see Alicia there. She was so hungry for that redemption, and she would've made such a great addition to the team
@@auspicious93agree with you. Nix the mount, do something simpler that can be connected, and let the rest of the routine speak for itself. Nobody threw a double pike off the beam like Alicia Sacramone did. Think how different 08 could have been!
He can be dramatic and annoying but I’ll take him over Al and Elfie any day 😆 And now that Nastia and Terry Gannon have taken there place he’s much better.
14:59 lmao hearing this and then realizing that it was actually Gabby and not Jordyn the one who ended up competing BB in the team finals, she definitely peaked at the right time
Gabby went to those games and just absolutely rocked everything in qualifying, team and AA final. It was so fantastic to see her evolution throughout the year. Jordyn might have had a shot at the AA in London if not for the complete idiocy of her trash coach.
Thank you for all these videos that I didn't see before! :) Does anyone know the link to the official Russian Gymnastics TH-cam channel? I looked, but I don't know Russian... Thanks!
He said this little girl is soft spoken, that's a understatement because just about all these gymnast was soft-spoken they all had baby voices, even though they were teenagers and some of them were Young adults they sounded like five year old children I don't know if that's because some of the girls growth was stunt
I think at this point she was just not able to keep up with the competition. After so many injuries and being constantly pushed to give it even more. That seems to be happening to all gymnasts that are trained by Valeri. But we'll see how things go in 2020.
+Kyleigh Patrick and he acts like a small mistake is such a huge deal when it's not. A fall or something like that should be a huge deal but when someone does something super tiny like a balance check on beam or a small step on a dismount he makes it a big deal
The fluff about Kyla stepping out of bounds is the most dramatic thing I've ever seen
Adam Travis oh my god it's so ridiculous
It's pretty hilarious.
Adam Travis what is the time of the out of bounds fluff
Wassabi_ Vlogs It's at 20:30. Most ridiculously overdramatic fluff in existence.
Right? Omg i actually said out loud "yall really made a fricking fluff piece on a tiny error?" It LITERALLY happens to someone in basically every competition. Its not like she went out there and forgot how to do gymnastics!
Any time someone makes even a small mistake, Tim Dagget acts like the world is falling apart
Emily Grosser ikr like you try it. It makes me so angry
Kayla stepped out of bounds and Tim acts like she fell on every pass ... And the dramatic music was just ridiculous
The fluff piece about Kyla stepping out almost had me laughing, it was just so over the top.
"Oooooh boy! NOT good!!" Tim Daggett, multiple occasions 😛
Blame NBC. They "encourage" commentators for the popular Olympic sports to dumb down their commentary so that they're more accessible to the general public. If you listen to or read stuff from him on SM, he's not nearly as annoying.
They make Kyla's step out of bounds seem like she killed somebody gosh
YetiConfetti they're dying to create drama that doesn't even exist. They wanted people to be in suspense and wonder if Kyla would lose her spot on the team because of a tiny mistake 🙄
YetiConfetti I thought she got injured or something😂
it was such a tiny step too XD
Jordyn: Literally has .1 of a lead
Commentator: "Yeah she has this thing wrapped up!"
Like?? The Gabby hate was really strong at this meet. I have nothing against Jordyn, but seriously?? Also the fact that Elizabeth Price was completely ignored is such bs.
She was NBC's Golden Girl for this games. Even during the team final they talking about how she missed on the All-Around like hello there are four others here too. Then during the All-Around they kept showing her it was brutal, nothing against Jordyn either but holy crap it was annoying.
They did the same thing with Shawn Johnson...Portayed her as the Sure winner and then Nastia hit.
100% agree
I agree. Like for price, she was tied for third on day 1 and they didn't show her AT ALL on day 2 like wtf? Gabby may have had some inconsistencies but she was a high scorer when she hit. Also, finnegan's gymnastics were amazing and they kept yapping about her being Inexperienced. Imo, she was doing really well
Price was decidedly underrated!
I love how Kyla's coach smiling during Kyla's floor 44:02-44:07 :) she looks proud! She seems soo nice she always speeks to Kyla with so much love!
And she was the only one who hugged Jordyn Wieber when she didn't qualify for the AA final at the olympics and shielded her from the camera when she cried.
I love kyla's coach she seems so sweet I wonder what her name is.
Ashley Whitmore I think it’s Jenny Zheng
@@ashleywhitmore8542 Jenny Zheng I think
Poor Mack. White leo curse for sure. Also Nassar being name dropped makes my stomach churn
Alyssa Ricks ugh Nassar I agree with you. The name makes me sick
And then finding out what he did to Maroney disguists me. And Bridget Sloan's coach disguists me too.
Marvin Sharp was accused of sexual abuse, and they found child porn on his computer. While in jail, he was found dead by apparent suicide. Bridget has stated she was not abused by him, but she was obviously devastated when all this happened.
Learning about all of the abuse these gymnasts went through from Nassar and his disgusting name being mentioned makes me want to throw up. Burn in hell and rot in jail Larry.
Unfortunately it’s been rampant in this sport, especially here in the USA. Fortunately we are getting the act cleaned up but it’s disappointing to know how many young ladies were mistreated without any protection from a federation that should have been there for them. Now, with all the women we have in charge it’s nice to know that will be dealt with harshly when discovered.
The commentary is not easy. The man is in love with the sound of his voice. He doesn’t let the lady say much and then he keeps interrupting her. It’s great to see someone else for a change from the past.
Aly and Alicia just look like twins there :) I love them both so much!
I love them both two. Along with Jordyn, Mckayla, Kyla, Rebecca, and Nastia. Didn't they both look that same way, in nearly identical leotards, in an earlier competitions?
Matthew Kretschmer it’s because they trained at the same gym - hence same leos.
@@vladaalexa123 I know that.
Anyone else cringe seeing Nassar walk with Mckayla to the ambulance?
Wanted to throw up over him, Marvin Sharp, and yes, I was throwing things at Steve Penney.
Yes. I was like get the f away from her
So heartbreaking…such strong women
Cringe ,why? All he was doing was going with her to the hospital to make sure she wasn't injured.
@@williegordon9188 where have you been? He sexually abused hundreds of girls for over 30 years and is currently going to die in prison because of it. But he went after McKayla pretty bad for a long time. She's not the only one though.
I find the lack of Elizabeth Price disturbing.
+Kojo Baidoo i think they quoted a starwars character that's why they used the word "lack" instead of "absence" :)
+Kojo Baidoo if im not mistaken the character says "i find your lack of faith disturbing" in the movie :)
Ok, that echo on all the floor music is driving me CRAZY...
I KNOW. I hated it😂😂
GOP by
YES!! ME TOO!!!😖
This meet was one of those signs that Jordyn's reign was soon to end. Only beating Gabby fractionally after a fall. Which is a full point off her score. And of course the american cup earlier when Gabby beat both Aly and Jordyn without formally being part of the competition.
I agree...Jordyn really wasn't scoring higher than Gabby, it was just that at times Gabby didn't hit. When Gabby hits (which was, of course the question) she was the higher scorer, so that really shouldn't have been a surprise to have Gabby over Jordyn if Gabby was doing well, which she'd been improving on controlling her nerves.
Aly over Jordyn shouldn't have been a huge surprise, either. They both have the Amanar vault, neither of their bars aren't great (though Jordyn is perhaps better there), their beam routines are both very good (I don't recall their D-scores and typical E scores), and Aly had the much higher D-score on floor.
So Jordyn missing out on AA wasn't a huge shock to me. Still devastating for Jordyn and I felt bad for her, but I wasn't really shocked.
I couldn't agree with you more! We should totally watch gymnastics together. I was slower on the uptake with Aly i guess because NBC had hyped Jordyn so much. After qualification day at Olympics i thought it through and saw that it was always going to be very close between these two cause essentially they are the same gymnast with similar strengths and weaknesses. Aly had been steadily increasing in the shadows whereas Jordyn was in the same state as last worlds
Also, if they had scored Jordyn's beam appropriately, Gabby would have been the national champion. They were giving Jordyn connection bonuses that shouldn't have been awarded. Unfortunately, it hurt Jordyn more than it helped her. I'm sure she would have changed her routine before the Olympics if those connection hadn't been awarded all along.
And if Gabby beam and vault were scored appropriately Jordyn would still win.Plus lets talk Gabby's bar execution going up 3 tenths for a worse routine.
@@gymstyle5091 what r u talking about gabby was scored right
I really think Nastia would have had a shot, but she clearly started training again way too late to be even close :( I mean - putting together a routine a week before nationals? No way that's gonna happen
That's what I was thinking. If you were going to make a comeback in gymnastics for the next Olympics, I think you need to start training a year and half before the Olympics. 6 months to a year of getting back into the shape they need to be and the rest for them to compete and prove to themselves
Aly and Gabby both clearly learned from Nastia's failure to return to form and got back to training in plenty of time to be ready for Rio.
Gabse Staliunis Shows a lack of humility in my opinion. Blow off 4 years then come back for more glory? When the rest have been busting their butts for four years? Bad decision from one of the greatest.
She started training at USAG's request. USA thought they would be weak on Bars.
she actually had a shoulder injury that kept her from returning. (similar to shawn johnson, who injured her knee skiing, tried to come back in 2011, and eventually retired)
Why were they so dramatic about kyla stepping oob lmao
They kept talking about Valeri's "plan" for Nastia, and how they had faith in it. What kind of a plan means you only start work on the routine a week and a half before competition? She would have been amazing with more time
Right?
I believe the "plan" they were referring to was his plan for 2008, to maximize her start value on the uneven bars, fine tune her floor and vault and uneven bars dismounts according to her injuries and strengths at that time. The plan for 2012 seems to have just been "start training again at the last minute on the same plan, not accounting for any of the changes since."
My god. Hindsight is def 20/20. Look at Maroney's body language. It is loud & clear. So horrible to watch
I will never understand how Valeri Liukin is considered such a good coach.
1. In 2007 Nastia was nowhere near ready to be vaulting. And to be having her do a triple twist dismount in beam.
2. Rebecca Bross had no business doing a double Arabian off the beam. And in 2011 she should not have been doing vault like she was.
3. Keeping that bean dismount for Bross while Nastia was competing for the same spot...sketchy.
Also Katelyn Ohashi. He always seemed super cold and mean to his gymnasts compared to the other coaches (Chow and Aly/Alicia's Coach). I think the only reason Nastia did somewhat well was because she was his daughter so maybe he wasn't as emotionally abusive to her as his other gymnasts.
I agree, he is completely awful coach all round. He always seems cold, distant and not encouraging with his gymnasts. Bross was clearly not ready on the level of everyone else and she shouldn’t been there, let alone do such a difficult dismount which she obviously can’t land. And nastia as well was completely unprepared and unconditioned, what kind of coach lets his gymnasts compete while so unprepared and perform routines which they have not properly learned
Apparently Bross was adamant about doing the Patterson as her dismount as was able to stick it a few times prior to this comp however ya I agree he shouldn’t have let her do it
he’s a former soviet gymnast so naturally he’s gonna bring that soviet mindset and aura into coaching. in the us we want more positivity, encouragement, etc. nastia did well under him probably bc of the father/daughter bond, but for other american girls they’d do better under more american-style coaching.
@@veronikas.8831 Even if she wants to do it, as her coach, he definitely could have pressed to her that she wasn't ready. Idk why Rebecca herself would even want to keep the dismount when she had several deductions even if she was able to land it. She was very talented so she could have tried something a bit easier like a double pike, 2.5 twists, or even 3 twists.
The fact that they let Rebecca do that Patterson for years is legit poor coaching.
cam spearman Rebecca actually was the one who insisted on keeping it. She thought she’d need it to be considered for London
@@nathanielhalls1893 she needed to be healthy.
But she has been injured since day one of the senior competition. Her coach should have done something and intercept her from injures.
But I get that despite Rebecca insisting to do it is one thing but there comes a point where it’s up to the coach. He should’ve change it to a double back
Jordyn's beam routine was impractical. I don't know what they were thinking.
thetigerbeat007 neither do i...not even the best of the best could make those connections
+thetigerbeat007 agree... when she lands so chest-down on her full twisting back tuck, theres no way she can flip her body backwards again that quickly in order to get credited esp. on an int'l stage
gabby does a great full twisting back tuck and lands with her chest much higher, i wonder if she might put in a connection
+thetigerbeat007 She was given to high a score for that beam routine.
Looking at Jordyns beam and bars consistency in all the 2012 meets, it really wasn't that hard to see her not making the Olympic all around final because of the 2 per country rule. I think Kyla probably would have even beat her as well if she had been allowed to perform vault in the qualies.
I can't believe in the 2 full days of broadcasting they didn't show 1 single routine from Elizabeth Price who ended much higher than some of the girls that we've seen a lot of.
Elizabeth Price, who finished 5th, got zero coverage in either day's broadcast. :(
Why I always think NBC has a heads up on who Marta wanted in advance
Kyla: *Leans an inch to the right*
Tim: Ohhh boy!!!!!! THAT WILL BE DEDUCTIONS.
It is crazy watching how Gabby got slowly got better. She was inconsistent but slowly put everything together. She won trials. She won the olympic AA. The only thing I wish was that she turned off social media during competitions. She was so hurt about the hair comments. She struggled so much with it. Completely fell apart in event finals (2 times). She always got so much negativity.
Hair comments?
@@nathanielhalls1893 yes, people were talking about how her hair didn't look nice and could have been done better. There were harsher comments but I won't state them. It really angered me because not only should her hair not matter when she's doing one of the most dangerous sports in the world, but people literally focused more on that than her winning AA and helping her team in the team finals smh. I barely saw anyone congratulate her at that time because of the hair comments, and people being bad that she beat komova even though she was more consistent that day
34:38 And Tim said it about Jordan's beam start value. This was wear Jordan was doomed for failure at the Olympics. Her new beam routine was based on connections that she could never execute and the domestic meets were giving her credit for some of them when they shouldn't have. Because then she went to the Olympics, wasn't getting credit for these connections, and went into Olympic qualifying and suddenly she gets a much lower start value than she was uses to. Yes, that wasn't her only fault in qualifying. She had a subpar vault and an out of bounds on floor. But beam really cost her in London.
And an error on bars too. She really was messy in qualifying, and I suspect her coach (may he burn in hell forever) knew she would miss it when it came time for floor- she just didn’t have enough to overcome all the issues.
That preview of Kyla stepping out of bounds is the most dramatic thing I’ve ever seen like she stepped out of bounds she didn’t kill somebody!!
Thing is Kyla wasn't supposed to do floor, she wasn't training it, when McKayla broke her toe, they threw Kyla in on floor.
I think it's really cool for Kyla's coach to applaud every move she makes, I believe this is an incentive for her to feel more confident and safe. Nastia's father seemed to be very strict.
Her coaches seem to ge the few good ones
And that's why you don't compete a routine a week and a half after learning it.
who?
I think she's talking about Nastia
Hey now... I have ridden some of my BEST scoring dressage tests after memorizing the (correct!) Test just moments before hopping on& trotting to warm up, or being super late to show jumping because they changed the schedule- waving my arm around to catch the officials attention like, "YESSS! IM NUMBER 364!!! I DIDNT SCRATCH IM HERE!!!! LET ME DO ONE CIRCLE/JUMP ONE JUMP/WATCH JUST 1 RIDER JUMP THE COURSE & ILL BE GOOD TO GOOOOO!" *please, horse show gods, let this be more than just wishful thinking* & it almost makes u have to focus so much more on WHAT you actually have to DO- rather than having it soooo OVER memorized & practiced that you're not thinking about it anymore- doing THAT almost allows you more room to develop so many more nerves & to overthink things... I see some of these girls perform the same routines competition after competition, year after year, and they mess up "silly things/some of the easiest parts of their routines/moves they've performed a million times!" whereas sometimes if it's a NEWER routine that they're just learning, they almost seem to have better focus on the moves & have less room mentally for nerves... Maybe it's totally different sports- but I bet there's some similarities in there mentally when it comes to OVER practicing some things! (Not to say learning a routine like this a week & a half before performing it is the BEST idea either? But, I think there's definitely some validation in changing things up& not over preparing!)
Nastia would of been great in rhythmic gymnastics like her mum.
I know everyone is going on about nassar, but it's insane how deeply abusive the USAG is. Like this is a legit who's who of various degrees of assault. You have marta, marvin sharp, artur akopyan, geddert, debbie van horn, valeri liukin, donna & bill Strauss, mlt and penny.
what did akopyan, geddert, and the strausses do?
Vanessa Kittenheart I don’t know about the others but the abuse allegations against Geddert were so strong that he was banned for life by USAG
gallopracerfan I couldn’t find anything about Geddert being banned. When did that happen?
@@sso.blueskye Read "Chalked Up" by Jennifer Sey. (She produced Athlete A and was national champ in 1986. Their coaching techniques were of a different sort, mostly weight... but they ignored sexual abuse too. Generally, they scream and yell negative junk to an abusive degree, ignore injuries, and no one ever tells anyone to eat protein so their wounds could heal, for example.
Steve Penny deserves the same sentence as Nassar.
Watching this in 2020, but I’m loving it!!
If Elizabeth Price got 5th why did we see none of her until 2013
That's a good question. I mean she was an Olympic Alternate in 2012
Tim mentioned her as a possibility on bars the first day, but we never saw her.
Gabby's full in is always so full of power and landed greatly
Never will I understand why Bross didn’t change her beam dismount. Her coach didn’t force her to keep the Patterson, it was her decision. She never landed it well.
I love when the announcers are babbling away then the next gymnast starts to run to the vaulting horse or is getting ready to do their dismount annnnd- Thentheysuddenlytalkreallyfastlikeanauctionannouncertoracetogettheirlastwordsandthoughtsouttherebeforethegymnastgoes!!!!
Maybe just... Pause and take a breather, then come back to that thought?? Haha
Loving the full broadcasts USA Gymnastics, thanks for posting keep them coming :)
Nobody , absolutely nobody
Tim Dagget : Unbelievable
I think if Bridget Sloan wasn't injured right before trials she would of been named an alternate.
Aww, MyKayla Skinner was competing (she was in lots of background shots) Rooting for her for 2021.
I’d forgotten that she actually was a senior in 2012. She was basically ignored by Marta that year- unnecessarily- and didn’t really start making headway until 2014. Thank goodness, after the 2016 heartbreak she finally made it… and got a silver!
"Larry Nassar did some tests..."
Lunella Dawn I wanted to vomit
MeriPT so did I, and all we know is when he was ‘treating’ her he was sexually abusing her. 😞
It was for a concussion. It is doubtful that anything sketchy happened in this particular instance. Likely they weren't alone, either, not at a meet like this.
@@scottw9318 He probably healed her from her concussion to groom her for the times he did abuse her
@@bentheg9793 Yes he did "treatments" for ankles, necks, shoulders, etc. Probably not with so many people around right then.
Nastia did not earn her spot at Trials. Messed up 3 of the 4 routines she did. BS USAG
It's surreal to see Jordyn Wieber standing next to the guy who would shoot himself to death several years later. What a shame.
McKayla Maroney's fall was terrifying. I can't imagine how painful that must have been on her back and ribs. I bet the wind was completely knocked out of her.
Right?! Yikes!!! I've been riding& competing horses in dressage jumping but mainly 3 Day Eventing (like a horse triathlon that includes dressage, show jumping& cross country jumping) for over 20yrs now- and sure I had fallen off but never really had a bad fall or gotten HURT before I was 15 or so (still had that young, fearless, teenage mindset of "I'm INVINCIBLE, MUAHAHAA!") then I was warming up for XC at an event and was 1 of only 2 people left to go in the warm up ring when I jumped a fence & my horse landed on a half buried rock & he tripped, fell& sommersaulted over top of me... I had never had the wind knocked out of me before that- but damn. I laid there on my back, arms pinwheeling around, trying to sit up& gasping for air, probably looking like a total idiot- I had NO CLUE what was happening!?! Having the wind knocked out of you is so friggin SCARY! My horse actually ended up being totally fine, and once I got my breath back, someone helped me back on & I still rode & actually had a clear xc round & won my division at the show- but I didn't find out until I finally went to the Dr almost a week later because it was still hurting to breathe- that I had also broken 2 ribs. (And I kept RIDING, but, hey, it got me out of PE in school for a month, YESSS!!!) but now in my late 20s, I've had a number of concussions- mostly pretty minor- I've been kicked& shattered my shoulder, kneed by my old horse in the face& broke my orbital socket, jaw& 4 teeth (it's been almost 5 years & I'm STILL dealing with my cracked teeth needing to be pulled& getting implants put in soon! Ack!) But man- I REALLY, REAAAALLLLLY feel for these girls when they land badly & you can tell they hurt their ankles or knees!! I've severely sprained 1 ankle twice the other 3x, once I sprained both at the same time- and when I was 19 I fell when schooling my youngest horse on cross country & I broke my nose (for about the 4th time lol) and completely snapped/severed my PCL in my left knee- which is a pretty unusual, difficult injury to even incur- but I swear I still remember & feel it going POP every time I hear them talk about one of these poor girls having a knee injury, or feel my cartilage & scar tissue ripping, tearing & crackling in my own ankles any time any of these girls look like they so much as ROLL theirs! You've got to be sooo mentally and physically tough in so many of today's sports, gulp!!
@@carliecole2563i aint reading allat
i really hate how the floor music echoes on EVERY routine...
Ash Fyre I know
11:40 I never realized how locked in gabby was here, even on beam… she’s off like an inch and falls, and then immediately gets up and like opens her 3rd eye or something because she turns into freakin Shawn Johnson!
I love Aly Raisman. I really do, but for years they kept saying that Aly was working on her form on bars. I am no expert, but I never noticed any discernible improvement in her bars form from 2011 to 2016.
Aly hated bars. She just wanted to get through it. It wasn’t easy for her. I love her too!
Not everyone is extremely strong on bars, just like not everyone is a beam queen. Aly actually had the best set I ever saw her have during Rio qualifying… not AA finals obviously but that didn’t end up mattering. Her form wasn’t good but it was just enough.
Wishing Alicia had made it to 2012, loved her vault and beam here. x
Miss Ross is a BOSS!!🤔 how much is the deduction for inhaling oxygen🤔 just wondering
"That brings us to the end of the first rotation" you showed 3 routines in 20 minutes ugh
@rjt93 Did you see Bross' uneven bars performance at Olympic Trials? No way in hell she was going to make the team after that. Her beam was no where near good enough either. Even if she had hit uneven bars at trials, Marta would never pick a one-event gymnast for a five-person team over an all-arounder. Raisman was a lock for the team.
SheaNDamon1829 um did you forgot about Maroney who was a one event gynmnast on the team??
Marbles P Mckayla wasn't put on the team as a one event gymnast she was also put on the team to do floor but broke her foot the day the team arrived in London and only ended up doing vault.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of Tim’s commentary in general, but the fact that even he pointed out the problems with Jordyn’s beam connections shows how her skills are obviously not connected. I can’t believe the coaches sent Jordyn to the Olympics with that beam routine.
Exactly if you can’t do the stinkin connection then don’t do it!
I was there. It was amazing❤️
Kyla's leo is so similar to the team final in rio!!
her leo personally reminds me of the leotards worn by the magnificent seven in atlanta.
What is wrong with the audio in the floor music?
commentators' mics echoing
Gabbys floor music is my favorite every time it comes on I'm like ohh ohh ohh ohhhhhh ohh ohh ohh ohhhhh
Now 9 years later we learn that Jordyn's coach, John Geddert, was also part of the Nassar abuse ring. Poor Jo, she really got it...
What bugs me is we don’t get to see him face punishment. He chose suicide instead.
I wish Nastia would have changed her bars routine, she was trying to do the same one as 2008 and after growing and everything they should’ve changed it up to suit her now.
And Nastia Liukin is gonna show she won't concurrence Gabby Douglas at the Olympic trials, with her unusual attitude in a competition.
9:41 Kyla UB
11:36 Gabby BB
14:16 Jordyn UB
22:48 Gabby FX
25:56 Aly UB
27:21 Kyla BB
30:43 Jordyn BB
40:03 Gabby VT
41:00 Aly BB
43:05 Kyla FX
46:16 Jordyn FX
1:00:53 Jordyn VT
1:09:00 Kyla VT
1:12:19 Aly FX
1:14:37 Gabby UB
“I’m still here”
Don’t know whether that was about Brigette or the commentator 😂
they mentioned Larry Nasser and disgust is the only word that comes to my mind.
Jordyn's routines ❤
Bars 13:51
Beam 29:46
Floor 45:52
Vault 1:00:20
The floor music was sort of skipping did anyone notice that?
Love Sarah Finnegan's leo! 💖🖤💖🖤
I don't know how they can focus on beam with somebody's floor music playing. I have noticed a few times where the beam routine just happens to fit perfectly with the music though🤷🏻♀️
I would just try to get into it and pretend that I was just extra special & that it was MY BEAM MUSIC, dammit!!!
Ksenia Afanseyva's TF BB is one of my favorites of all time because it has Sandra Izbasa's FX music playing in the background, so incredibly beautiful! th-cam.com/video/MSW2W1uBwUg/w-d-xo.html
They train to block out exterior stimulus and focus solely on what they are doing. I was a track and field athlete and when I got up to throw (discus) I didn’t even hear my coach speaking a few feet away from me.
even with gabby falling still gets 2nd place and is behind by 2 tenths so if she did not fall she would have placed 1st and jordyn would be behind by 8 tenths
But she did fall. And in the end Gabby won at the Olympics over Jordyn so you can also say if only Jordyn took one less step here or there...
Tim always jinxes things. Ex: 41:55 - 42:01
Rebecca Bross’ dismount is always so painful to watch. I feel so bad for her. Can’t imagine her having to watch Aly Raisman land it over and over again.
She unfortunately refused to switch to something she could consistently stick. She admitted later that it was her choice to keep it. I still feel that, even without the knee injury she wouldn’t have made the team. Too many others were more consistent, more reliable by then.
Did the floor music actually echo that bad or is it just tho audio on this video?
MsSportsMontages no the echo is really bad
I absolutely love who they picked to represent the USA at the Olympics. But I have to say I really wanted to see Alicia there. She was so hungry for that redemption, and she would've made such a great addition to the team
I feel like she should have changed the mount, then!!!
@@auspicious93agree with you. Nix the mount, do something simpler that can be connected, and let the rest of the routine speak for itself. Nobody threw a double pike off the beam like Alicia Sacramone did. Think how different 08 could have been!
I disagree. At this time on those days and prior Alicia wasn’t the best she could be. Others were better. That’s all.
Let us never forget..Balance beam will check u ....ANYONE CAN FALL
AT ANYTIME....even Nastia🤷🏻♀️
rewatching again 😅😅 wow jordyn’s beam connections really hurt her. in the US, they always gave her too high of a SV
POWERFUL AND STAMINA FULL GAME, PRACTICE FULL PLAYERS, BEAUTIFUL PLAY.....
I know it is an iconic comment from another video about this competition, but here we go again: the lack of Elizabeth Price is astounding…
"Love you, Nastia!" 🙌🏻 1:02:53
I have never seen Alicia Sacrmone do a bar routine EVER EVER GOOD JOB GABBY AND JORYDAN
She stopped training bars in 2006
The comments about Marta not playing favorites made me gag. She most certainly did over the years. Glad she and the rest of those shmucks are gone.
Who were her favorites? Alicia? Shawn? Nastia? Gabby?
Why didn’t Rebecca Bross ever change her beam dismount?
im obsessed with bridget sloan's bars😍
tim dagget makes daggers in my back...let Elfie and al talk😂😂😂
FINALLY someone else thinks he is horrible. I swear... dag-nabit tim dagget
honestly none of them should talk they’re all annoying
He can be dramatic and annoying but I’ll take him over Al and Elfie any day 😆 And now that Nastia and Terry Gannon have taken there place he’s much better.
can someone please tell me whats the name of gabbys floor music ? ............... I have been looking for floor music.
Why did Rebecca always do that dismount? It was always off for her...
HannahBanana Xo I guess she was pushed to do it so her difficulty would be higher
I heard that valeri didnt want her to do it. But she insisted to keep it in the routine. ofc, it's only what I heard, have absolutely no clue :D
HannahBanana Xo she needed to, no way she was going at the Olympics as a two-event specialist with a low beam D-score
Because her stupid coaches forced her to do that shit.
Did anyone hear the double loop on alys and gabbys floor music? If they had to perform to that damn mad respect
they said 'who is she better than' rather than #whose better than her'
I loved the music in 26:30 can you tell the name for that music
Watch Alicia on the right of the floor when mckayla falls @ 19:10
45:35 Marta is saying "Good. I knew starving Kyla was a good idea."
who was on floor when jordyn was on bars? around 14:00
Rebecca Bross on Bars is beautiful. I wish she change her beam dismount to a double piked instead.
14:59 lmao hearing this and then realizing that it was actually Gabby and not Jordyn the one who ended up competing BB in the team finals, she definitely peaked at the right time
Gabby went to those games and just absolutely rocked everything in qualifying, team and AA final. It was so fantastic to see her evolution throughout the year. Jordyn might have had a shot at the AA in London if not for the complete idiocy of her trash coach.
@@saragrant9749 Geddert paced her terribly and then ruined her beam routine! Not only was he a trash person but, as you said, a trash coach as well.
Thank you for all these videos that I didn't see before! :)
Does anyone know the link to the official Russian Gymnastics TH-cam channel? I looked, but I don't know Russian... Thanks!
That was waaaaaaaay dramatic bout Kyla out of bounds
That leotard on Aly looked great on her
I literally thought the same thing. Just love her so much.
It sure does. Didn't compete in that leotard before in an early gymnastics competition?
Tim dagget is like " She's going to do a very easy vault" when Bridget slone was going and I was like , I will never be able to do that🤦♀️💁
Did anyone else notice chelsie memmel as a judge on kylas routine
He said this little girl is soft spoken, that's a understatement because just about all these gymnast was soft-spoken they all had baby voices, even though they were teenagers and some of them were Young adults they sounded like five year old children I don't know if that's because some of the girls growth was stunt
What time nastia did the vault?
She didnt
Bross's feet are so so so sickled on bars...ugh
She couldn't help it.
Nô, they aren't because she can't put her knees together. Btw she is my coach
I think at this point she was just not able to keep up with the competition. After so many injuries and being constantly pushed to give it even more. That seems to be happening to all gymnasts that are trained by Valeri. But we'll see how things go in 2020.
Kae Hume wat do u mean by sickled?
Zena Boylston ankles are apart, toes togwyher
Jordyn didn't do her second turn on beam after the horizontal leg turn at the end of her routine, does that change the D-score at all...?
Probably
I honestly wish they'd fire Tim Daggit
Cassidy McLaughlin why do you want that to happen
Because he's extremely annoying, often gives false information and often says quite rude things about the gymnasts
+Kyleigh Patrick and he acts like a small mistake is such a huge deal when it's not. A fall or something like that should be a huge deal but when someone does something super tiny like a balance check on beam or a small step on a dismount he makes it a big deal
Alex Arulf true
I LOVE TIM HES MY FAVORITE
Okay but who’s the girl on bars in the background of jordyn’s floor routine?