Thanks Law, great overview. I really like the smaller size and convenience features over the Vulture. This was exactly what I was looking for in a solo salvager.
turn real quick non-convenience when start want over load it.idk was bit disappointing design. i would make it bit bigger (example double) and give 1x reclaimer head and call it medium solo salvager
Got both and the vulture is far superior in every way. The " convenient faster loading " is vastly slower when unloading, it has 1 opposed to the 2 salvage heads the vulture has so its much slower at scraping too. To the point you can make 250k an hour with the fortune and 350k with the vulture and tbey are both the same price point!
@@matthewkaye722The Vulture may not fit in a number of hangars, though. Depending on use case, this could be valuable. Either way, that's a disadvantage to a Vulture owner. I like both ships, but lean to Fortune based easier hangar access in future ships like the Odyssey, etc.
Most people are looking at the money aspect of things but there are people like me who just love doing the job because its fun to us. When i bought the vulture in game i never played the stacking game cause the job itself was what i found fun and relaxing.
I really like the Mis(c)Fortune. I always hated having to get out of the seat to move boxes, and this solves it. Yes, I could move boxes into the ship and max out as much as I can, but I'd rather spend time scraping and fracturing, fly back to a station, dropping off what I collected, repeat a few times, then taking a cargo ship to sell my fortune (pun intended). Plus, this ship completes my Misc industrial collection with the prospector and the hull series (CIG please release the Hull B)
its a little harder to get stuff out of the fortune vs the vulture, but I really think the overall design is better than the vulture. I don't mind spending a little longer scrapping for the convenience and speed of printing. I think it may actually be faster since printing is done at twice the speed.
The vulture is just a straight up better version of a salvager. The only advantage this ship has that's of any importance is printing speed, and that's ultimately pretty unimportant. Vulture scrapes faster, holds more realistically. Actually fully filling the fortune is so ridiculously annoying that no one is going to do it. It takes maybe 3 minutes to jigger around the vultures storage full, it involves space walking in the fortune. Interesting release strategy of "vulture but worse".
It really is not harder to get things out of the fortune. You park it with the ass twords the elevator and then you just lift the boxes over the vtols.
Better is an interesting way to look at it. The Fortune design is lazy IMO. The Vulture is clearly a purpose built ship. With those big arms producing the fracture field and all. The Fortune looks like a prospector with a Salvage arm glued on the front and two headlight looking things that are supposedly the fracture field generators? Really the only well designed aspect of the ship is the automated storage system. But at only 12scu seems kind of pointless. I like the the lol of the ship and it’s understandable if you hate Drake aesthetics. But vulture clearly the better design. Just needs an automated eject system.
@@Gubers well the vulture also has 12 scu grid. so thats the same. fracturing is pretty uselss at that size of a ship, vulture or fortune. I agree that the vulture is purpose built and it has been my fav for some time. I just think the new design fits well in line with where the game is pushing thats all.
The fortune is not faster, in any aspect (especially when unloading beyond the grid). Timed both with same scraper heads solo and then offloading with a friend. The difference is even more apparent when offloaded with a friend and group play (Vulture pulling ahead by hundreds of thousands per run). And the interior storage on the fortune, don’t do it - you’ll spend half hour trying to EVA out and back in one box at a time and trying to squeeze them through those doors - defeating the purpose of the “convenience” selling point.
Smaller (ship hangars down the road), longer range. Convenient. Don't forget that unsecured cargo WILL pose a risk at some point in the future. Plus MISC vs Drake - people make choices based on looks, too. It is nice to have options.
@First_Chapter It does. But the Polaris/890 won't stay the only ships having a hangar - so a smaller footprint may very well matter, especially when we start to talk multiple carried crafts.
@ The Fortune isn't my cup of tea externally but the interior looks really well done in the videos (may get one because of that) and it's great that people now have some options in industrial non-combat ships. And maybe two Fortunes will fit in a Polaris for the salvaging group?
Do they both fit? I melted my Polaris before really exploring what I could do the with hangar. I just didn't really like the ship and thought it wasn't a good fit for my Indy fleet but honestly I'm starting to wonder if that was the best decision. Then again I'm hoping to base everything around a Kraken at some point :D
@@JohnVanderbeck yea dont ever make quick decisions like that in a game thats still heavily in development friend. gotta just focus on the core concept of a ship and not the specific stats and details as all those will eventually change. if you like the core concept of a ship than keep it.
@@honnorgaurd That was actually WHY I made the decision. The core concept of the Polaris is not aligned with my industrial gameplay. But a lot of people have been showing where I might have been wrong on that :)
I just want to be able to sell scaps from hand savaging from the larger scraper. All I want to do is live out of my cutter rambler, fixing stuff, scraping stuff, odd job-ing it as I just live a boring life in the verse
i wonder why they didnt add another 2 rows of cargo on each side. Would have made more sense to me; Slower in scraping but more cargo capacity as a tradeoff.
Looks interesting, so I used a Prospector Lti to CCU to. I also have a Mole, so no loss. Only problem now is getting into the game, which after a patch to fix a patch is totally fecked. The manual element of the Vulture was the one thing that stopped me keeping it.
Hope you don't regret it. I just tried it out and it was miserably slow scraping the hull. It took me longer to scrape one panel ( a big bent one) than it normally takes to fill the hold with RMC in the Vulture. Hands down the vulture is faster and faster is better if you're trying to make money. If you like a fine point pen scrape , then this tedium can be perfect for ya. I am 100% sure I will out earn anyone in the Misfortune with the Vulture because you'll still be scraping as I return from offloading a full haul. I hate this because I wanted this ship to be at least on par with the Vulture. Now my fear is they'll nerf the Vulture to a slower scrape speed and force you to only use the cargo grid. LOL
I would be interested to know the difference between a full cycle of salvaging between Vulture and Fortune. By that I mean, time to fill the salvage buffer and transfer 12scu to the hold and refill the buffer in the Vulture vs the same in Fortune. I have a feeling the slower scraping time is to balance against the time spent going down and unloading the buffer in the Vulture.
had the biggest drawback for the Fortune. Landed at an outpost to refuel and instantly a player started stealing boxes off the sides thankfully it was the CM lol they tried to tracktor more with their ship so with no side protection its too exposed
So here is my question can I pull up and just yoink the RNC off the sides with a turret tractor on another ship or will the shields prevent that if I’m hostile tractoring.
You can get 27 without leaving your seat - 12 Storage, 13 hopper, 2 get stuck - just click auto eject before you start. Easy 38 if you get up once, 3 in front of back door 8 can fit on elevator - no doors.
Did anyone notice the purple Zeus in the 2nd trailer for the fortune? It had the tail fins (by the rear door) like the illusive 4th Zeus pictured in the Zeus mk2 line-up of ships. I wonder if this is a teaser for the 4th variant. I'm not seeing anyone talking about it & I am quite interested!
I haven't had hands on but from my understanding the access to some of the components like power is outside of the ship. Can someone check on this? If it is true it also means you have to eva to fix that. And if the cargo things ever get jammed up. You need to eva to fix that
What about that tractor head on the Vulture? is there anyway to move a ship away from a station to actually salvage it? its too bad when the mission spawns too close to the station to use the scraping...
Nothing wrong with the Vulture, but I'm not really a Drake guy so having options is good and the Fortune will fit in right alongside my Prospector. If anything I'm just "mad" they made it the same price as the Vulture so no CCUing from the one, but that's a whole other issue (IMHO $0 CCUs should exist)
Frankly, I prefer the Fortune to the Vulture, and THought the Fortune would have less internal and overall less cargo, so I'm a bit ssurprised it can carry more than Vulture? (I mean, I have seen people put a LOT of cargo in the Vulture). Both can act as a ad hoc thauler for early hauling missions too, though the Fortune is very slow (I hate how CIG is really making MISC ship RIDICULOUSLY SLOW, like this and the Starlancer! I mean, I get teh Starfarer being slow but... Really? Anyhow, I do like this ship regardless. I am not lookjing for maneuverability, and it being a slow to maneuver makes it better at using the ship itself at aimign when salvaging. I agree, Salvaging is pretty Zen, and relaxing, and not having to get up to clear the buffer is nice. Yeah, You may have to get up a couple of times to bring in cargo from the exterior grid into the ship, but, if you don't, and use the interior to collect components and guns you pick off ships.... I think its pretty good ship. Otherwise, I'd find it a bit tedious to off-load. and it being a $5 USD upgrade from a Prospector with Warbond, not a horrible deal. so, you can upgrade to Prospector and then use $5 (a McDonald's meal) to upgrade to a great money making ship! Also, I imagine when in game purchase/rent, it will rent as much as Prospector does now, and it will be a better money making option than the maining ship. A little fleet of a Fortune, Prospector, Expance, and maybe a Hull A or Freelancer would be a NICE money making fleet! All ships that a player with a starter ships could Easily work its way to by Renting a Fortine, then Purchasing the other ships with the profit from Salvaging!. Good deal1
I see this and cant help but think "another ship that would otherwise be just trying to mind its own business getting something productive done for the day for the murder hobos and griefers to gank for no care about profits or benefits but just the 10 second thrill of ruining someones day".
Unfortunately, piracy is here to stay, but piracy as it should be... Not pad ramming, not booming to boom, etc. We will have to start having combat support in general, but Stealing from someone wouldnt be a grief sadly it would be some of the point. But booming to boom and move on with no salvage? Yeah id bet on grief
@@silentsloth3740 Its not going to be here to stay. Chris Roberts himself has made it VERY clear in an interview that he intends for this game to be 90% pve and for pvp to be strickly an optional thing. I can provide you a link to his interview on the matter. But lets just say, dont take this current alpha environment as the standard for how this game will remain. it has changed ALOT from 5 years ago, and it will change ALOT more when its done. Make no mistake, pvp is not going to be the dominating overlord of this game. Thankfully.
Thanks Law, great overview. I really like the smaller size and convenience features over the Vulture. This was exactly what I was looking for in a solo salvager.
turn real quick non-convenience when start want over load it.idk was bit disappointing design. i would make it bit bigger (example double) and give 1x reclaimer head and call it medium solo salvager
"... and tried to assimilate my face with all the fury of a hopped-up Borg."
THAT was such a VIVID DESCRIPTION. Loved it!
All the reasons you gave that make the Vulture a hassle is why I didn't get it, but the Fortune really is a winner for me after this video.
Got both and the vulture is far superior in every way. The " convenient faster loading " is vastly slower when unloading, it has 1 opposed to the 2 salvage heads the vulture has so its much slower at scraping too. To the point you can make 250k an hour with the fortune and 350k with the vulture and tbey are both the same price point!
@@matthewkaye722The Vulture may not fit in a number of hangars, though. Depending on use case, this could be valuable. Either way, that's a disadvantage to a Vulture owner. I like both ships, but lean to Fortune based easier hangar access in future ships like the Odyssey, etc.
I mostly appreciate that the Vulture has a true hold that can fit small vehicles.
Excellent Review. Vulture vs Fortune, Speed vs convenience. Perfect analysis.
Most people are looking at the money aspect of things but there are people like me who just love doing the job because its fun to us. When i bought the vulture in game i never played the stacking game cause the job itself was what i found fun and relaxing.
I really like the Mis(c)Fortune. I always hated having to get out of the seat to move boxes, and this solves it. Yes, I could move boxes into the ship and max out as much as I can, but I'd rather spend time scraping and fracturing, fly back to a station, dropping off what I collected, repeat a few times, then taking a cargo ship to sell my fortune (pun intended). Plus, this ship completes my Misc industrial collection with the prospector and the hull series (CIG please release the Hull B)
@ shhhhh that would make the vulture more convenient and thus, better. We have to wait until AFTER the Fortune sale to see that update
its a little harder to get stuff out of the fortune vs the vulture, but I really think the overall design is better than the vulture. I don't mind spending a little longer scrapping for the convenience and speed of printing. I think it may actually be faster since printing is done at twice the speed.
The vulture is just a straight up better version of a salvager. The only advantage this ship has that's of any importance is printing speed, and that's ultimately pretty unimportant. Vulture scrapes faster, holds more realistically. Actually fully filling the fortune is so ridiculously annoying that no one is going to do it. It takes maybe 3 minutes to jigger around the vultures storage full, it involves space walking in the fortune. Interesting release strategy of "vulture but worse".
It really is not harder to get things out of the fortune. You park it with the ass twords the elevator and then you just lift the boxes over the vtols.
Better is an interesting way to look at it. The Fortune design is lazy IMO. The Vulture is clearly a purpose built ship. With those big arms producing the fracture field and all. The Fortune looks like a prospector with a Salvage arm glued on the front and two headlight looking things that are supposedly the fracture field generators? Really the only well designed aspect of the ship is the automated storage system. But at only 12scu seems kind of pointless.
I like the the lol of the ship and it’s understandable if you hate Drake aesthetics. But vulture clearly the better design. Just needs an automated eject system.
@@Gubers well the vulture also has 12 scu grid. so thats the same. fracturing is pretty uselss at that size of a ship, vulture or fortune. I agree that the vulture is purpose built and it has been my fav for some time. I just think the new design fits well in line with where the game is pushing thats all.
@@Gubersit has 16, the elevator in the back is a 4 SCU cargo grid. You can fit two more boxes in that area as well very easily and comfortably.
Honestly one of the best combos for hulling is a hull A + vulture as a two man team as a small duo
The fortune is not faster, in any aspect (especially when unloading beyond the grid). Timed both with same scraper heads solo and then offloading with a friend. The difference is even more apparent when offloaded with a friend and group play (Vulture pulling ahead by hundreds of thousands per run). And the interior storage on the fortune, don’t do it - you’ll spend half hour trying to EVA out and back in one box at a time and trying to squeeze them through those doors - defeating the purpose of the “convenience” selling point.
Smaller (ship hangars down the road), longer range. Convenient. Don't forget that unsecured cargo WILL pose a risk at some point in the future. Plus MISC vs Drake - people make choices based on looks, too. It is nice to have options.
@@porecemusnox8805 The Vulture does fit into a Polaris as a base for operations.
@First_Chapter It does. But the Polaris/890 won't stay the only ships having a hangar - so a smaller footprint may very well matter, especially when we start to talk multiple carried crafts.
@First_Chapter There is no argument to be had to defend EITHER. Both, the Vulture and the Fortune are viable, my friend! ;)
@ The Fortune isn't my cup of tea externally but the interior looks really well done in the videos (may get one because of that) and it's great that people now have some options in industrial non-combat ships. And maybe two Fortunes will fit in a Polaris for the salvaging group?
Prospector + Fortune both in my Polaris hangar 🤌
i like this idea
Do they both fit? I melted my Polaris before really exploring what I could do the with hangar. I just didn't really like the ship and thought it wasn't a good fit for my Indy fleet but honestly I'm starting to wonder if that was the best decision.
Then again I'm hoping to base everything around a Kraken at some point :D
@@JohnVanderbeck they do both fit comfortably.
@@JohnVanderbeck yea dont ever make quick decisions like that in a game thats still heavily in development friend. gotta just focus on the core concept of a ship and not the specific stats and details as all those will eventually change. if you like the core concept of a ship than keep it.
@@honnorgaurd That was actually WHY I made the decision. The core concept of the Polaris is not aligned with my industrial gameplay. But a lot of people have been showing where I might have been wrong on that :)
I just want to be able to sell scaps from hand savaging from the larger scraper.
All I want to do is live out of my cutter rambler, fixing stuff, scraping stuff, odd job-ing it as I just live a boring life in the verse
i wonder why they didnt add another 2 rows of cargo on each side. Would have made more sense to me; Slower in scraping but more cargo capacity as a tradeoff.
Looks interesting, so I used a Prospector Lti to CCU to. I also have a Mole, so no loss. Only problem now is getting into the game, which after a patch to fix a patch is totally fecked. The manual element of the Vulture was the one thing that stopped me keeping it.
Hope you don't regret it. I just tried it out and it was miserably slow scraping the hull. It took me longer to scrape one panel ( a big bent one) than it normally takes to fill the hold with RMC in the Vulture. Hands down the vulture is faster and faster is better if you're trying to make money. If you like a fine point pen scrape , then this tedium can be perfect for ya. I am 100% sure I will out earn anyone in the Misfortune with the Vulture because you'll still be scraping as I return from offloading a full haul. I hate this because I wanted this ship to be at least on par with the Vulture. Now my fear is they'll nerf the Vulture to a slower scrape speed and force you to only use the cargo grid. LOL
Yeah the loading screen and station elevators are the end-game bosses of SC.
I would be interested to know the difference between a full cycle of salvaging between Vulture and Fortune. By that I mean, time to fill the salvage buffer and transfer 12scu to the hold and refill the buffer in the Vulture vs the same in Fortune. I have a feeling the slower scraping time is to balance against the time spent going down and unloading the buffer in the Vulture.
Pairing this up with a Cutty Black seems like a really good Starter team. Maybe even a Taurus if your Taurus pilot has patience.
had the biggest drawback for the Fortune. Landed at an outpost to refuel and instantly a player started stealing boxes off the sides thankfully it was the CM lol they tried to tracktor more with their ship so with no side protection its too exposed
that's a good point.
Nice summary. How long does it take to generate 1 scu of RMC?
So it can hold any cargo on the external grid? I can use it like a courier/light hauler when i don't feel like salvaging?
Would be interested to see if you can stack a size 8 scu and a size 4 on either side. Would be a good test for foxy loxy!
So here is my question can I pull up and just yoink the RNC off the sides with a turret tractor on another ship or will the shields prevent that if I’m hostile tractoring.
while shields are up, no.
You can get 27 without leaving your seat - 12 Storage, 13 hopper, 2 get stuck - just click auto eject before you start. Easy 38 if you get up once, 3 in front of back door 8 can fit on elevator - no doors.
Did anyone notice the purple Zeus in the 2nd trailer for the fortune? It had the tail fins (by the rear door) like the illusive 4th Zeus pictured in the Zeus mk2 line-up of ships. I wonder if this is a teaser for the 4th variant. I'm not seeing anyone talking about it & I am quite interested!
I haven't had hands on but from my understanding the access to some of the components like power is outside of the ship. Can someone check on this?
If it is true it also means you have to eva to fix that. And if the cargo things ever get jammed up. You need to eva to fix that
Can you show how you get 47 in the cargo hold... I also haven't watch the whole vid
What about that tractor head on the Vulture? is there anyway to move a ship away from a station to actually salvage it? its too bad when the mission spawns too close to the station to use the scraping...
Nothing wrong with the Vulture, but I'm not really a Drake guy so having options is good and the Fortune will fit in right alongside my Prospector. If anything I'm just "mad" they made it the same price as the Vulture so no CCUing from the one, but that's a whole other issue (IMHO $0 CCUs should exist)
Tried out the Fortune…and melted right back to the Vulture. It isn’t worth it to trade the Cargo Tetris for half the scraping speed, trust me.
MISfortune
They had to make it so you couldn't ccu from the vulture ... God I hate having theese multiship packs ...
Vultcher is better. Got both and im considering melting the fortune already!
Frankly, I prefer the Fortune to the Vulture, and THought the Fortune would have less internal and overall less cargo, so I'm a bit ssurprised it can carry more than Vulture? (I mean, I have seen people put a LOT of cargo in the Vulture). Both can act as a ad hoc thauler for early hauling missions too, though the Fortune is very slow (I hate how CIG is really making MISC ship RIDICULOUSLY SLOW, like this and the Starlancer! I mean, I get teh Starfarer being slow but... Really? Anyhow, I do like this ship regardless. I am not lookjing for maneuverability, and it being a slow to maneuver makes it better at using the ship itself at aimign when salvaging. I agree, Salvaging is pretty Zen, and relaxing, and not having to get up to clear the buffer is nice. Yeah, You may have to get up a couple of times to bring in cargo from the exterior grid into the ship, but, if you don't, and use the interior to collect components and guns you pick off ships.... I think its pretty good ship. Otherwise, I'd find it a bit tedious to off-load. and it being a $5 USD upgrade from a Prospector with Warbond, not a horrible deal. so, you can upgrade to Prospector and then use $5 (a McDonald's meal) to upgrade to a great money making ship! Also, I imagine when in game purchase/rent, it will rent as much as Prospector does now, and it will be a better money making option than the maining ship. A little fleet of a Fortune, Prospector, Expance, and maybe a Hull A or Freelancer would be a NICE money making fleet! All ships that a player with a starter ships could Easily work its way to by Renting a Fortine, then Purchasing the other ships with the profit from Salvaging!. Good deal1
I see this and cant help but think "another ship that would otherwise be just trying to mind its own business getting something productive done for the day for the murder hobos and griefers to gank for no care about profits or benefits but just the 10 second thrill of ruining someones day".
Unfortunately, piracy is here to stay, but piracy as it should be... Not pad ramming, not booming to boom, etc. We will have to start having combat support in general, but Stealing from someone wouldnt be a grief sadly it would be some of the point. But booming to boom and move on with no salvage? Yeah id bet on grief
@@silentsloth3740 Its not going to be here to stay. Chris Roberts himself has made it VERY clear in an interview that he intends for this game to be 90% pve and for pvp to be strickly an optional thing. I can provide you a link to his interview on the matter. But lets just say, dont take this current alpha environment as the standard for how this game will remain. it has changed ALOT from 5 years ago, and it will change ALOT more when its done. Make no mistake, pvp is not going to be the dominating overlord of this game. Thankfully.
This ship is cool af but no guns :(
The Fortune just doesn't look like a salvage ship at all, especially when it comes to structural salvage, i.e. "munching". Where does it munch?
It uses the two wiskers to break apart ships.