Is This MANUAL Maserati 4200 GT (Coupe) What the 3200 Should Have Always Been?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- On the channel, I have driven a couple of Maserati 3200 GTs. They're one of the more complex cars I have driven - packed with charm, but also a few character flaws that are impossible to overlook. Today, I'm driving that car's successor - the Coupe, often called the 4200GT in reference to its 4.2L NA V8 - replacing the aging Bi-Turbo.
Can this manual equipped car finally deliver on the promise of an Italian 911 rival?
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As the cars owner, I really like it. Maybe it’s my time of life, but doing reasonable speeds and making that noise appeals more to me these days. 👍
Thanks for letting him drive it and review it.
928angelus do you also own a 928?
dwarfyh32 I did, sold it and regretted it. Was looking for a replacement and a friend suggested a 4200. Never looked back, although this is my first ever Italian car. 👍
928angelus
I enjoyed driving it Lee, genuinely thought you might've moved it on by now so you obviously love it 👍🏻
john cameron actually can’t see me selling this one, seems to tick all my boxes. 👍
Wow,
What a marvellous car.
The sound of the V8 is sublime and the looks, just gorgeous (especially in this shade of blue).
I just wish that Maserati hasn’t replaced those lovely boomerang tail lights in this model.
Maybe I'm wrong...but I think you can replace the lights. I'm sure I saw a 4200GT with Boomerang Lights at a Supercar meet. :)
The cars are virtually identical so I imagine if you had one of these you could fit the boomerang lights
I, personally, don't care for them but luckily, not everyone is me.
They should have kept those boomerang lights.
I couldn't agree more👍👍
Unpopular opinion but I personally prefer the lights on these 4200s to the boomerang lights, but the boomerangs certainly were unique
I know of one car, a Spyder, that has retrofitted boomerang lights. Looks brilliant. 👍
Also gone are the air vents on each side of the 3200 bonnet.
Great car.
But for one to keep as a collection classic....it had to have the boomerangs.
YOU BUY WITH YOUR HEART - AND ENJOY EVERY MINUTE WITH BEAUTIES LIKE THESE WONDERFUL CARS.
I owned a manual spyder (Convertible) version. It's got a shorter wheel base and no back seats. You're right, the gear box and clutch take getting used. It shares a lot from the Ferrari parts department of the time, sticky buttons and all. The Spyder is a bit more nimble, but suffers the "too soft then too twitchy" suspension settings. The engine is very solid, and very reliable if kept up with on maintence. You really need about 5k to fix common issues and its bulletproof after. If you want a comfortable, manual Italian V8 without Ferrari prices, it really is the best option out there.
I can’t believe it, the great Jayemm has reviewed a car on the roads in my area. Those are the very same roads I drive on for pleasure. The road from Carnwath up to Braehead in particular is a great test for any car, would make a great rally stage. Hope to see more reviews from around this area, great stuff.
There's a lot of roads in Scotland that would make great rally stages. Easily the best country in the UK 👍.
Now waiting for the GranSport review. ;-)
Exactly! My thoughts too!
To me the name Maserati just conjurs up images of romantic italian drives through the Alps, and too me it is the most Italian car out there alongside the late Lancia brand. I unfortunately will never own one unless my numbers come up. Great video as we have come to expect.
These things are dirt cheap to buy. Never say never.
Gransport is the one to have, especially the runout models fully loaded LE
The "GranSport" iteration of the 4200 GT is honestly still amazing to this day
7 years without braking, seriously? Mine broke 3 times in 2 years...
Btw, I'm with the F1 gearbox and I'll have to disappoint your commenters here. The gearbox is the last of the problems this car can have. Watch for electronics (all of them), the heater core and of course at some point you'll have to fix the sticky buttons.
That was a great review and having the car myself I can confirm your views: Style, sound, speed. And pretty cheap for a modern(ish) V8 coupe.
Wow this car looks to be in lovely condition, not a sticky button in sight!
Oh yes...a beautiful crazy italian quirky dramatic thing....this is a car to buy with a heart, not with a brain, but it's beautiful. Unfortunatelly nobody is crazy to make a car like this today, and that's a shame. Thumbs up
Good job Jay
You review all the interesting cars from my youth. I love it. Beautiful colour, too
It’s the “I want to kill you” that I prefer in the Manual 3200.
That Manual 4200 is a rare find though.
🤣🤣🤣👍
The noise it makes is enough to overlook all its other foibles
Slippery slope that is lol
@@adamrozman not really, there's loads of cars where you'd drive around the problems just as part of accepting it for what it is.
The Gransport was when they finally got it right with this platform. Shame they ruined the rear lights for the yanks.
Jabber 1974 shame they didn’t offer the GranSport with a manual, too!
Kasimir den Hertog yeah but it’s still a better car than the 3200 or the 4200
Great vid, thanks! The issues that you mention here were supposedly resolved with the Gransport (although only available with the cambiocorsa gearbox). Would be interesting to hear your opinion on those, if you get the opportunity to test one...
This gearbox in a 4.2 quattroporte would make a really nice sporty saloon.
Beauty of a car as is the 3200& that sound is amazing👍👍
In 2004 , the 4200 came out with a stiffer chassis and faster gear change and improved breaking, basically it was the same as the gran sport but without the flare's and gran sport interior . If you can find anything 2004 or over , get it .
Seen this car in person at the many TT events.. Lovely looking thing.
I wonder how long that engine would last if I drive it all day, every day, in second gear with the windows down?
I've done 33,000 kms in just one year of ownership in mine and it has been more reliable than my e36 M3 was. Can't recommend this car enough. I will never sell it. Total Mileage is a little over 130,000kms. It's not a Toyota but it is very capable of being daily driven, hard.
I nearly Bought one many years ago ! Love the look still to this day
Good video, on what appeared to be about as good an early 4200 as you’ll find. The facelift 05MY Cambiocorsa is a far superior car. And the Gransport another level again. More than welcome to come and do a video on one of mine.
Thanks, from a man who knows Maserati, your opinion matters. 👍
I bought the 4200 Spyder after getting out of hospital a couple of years back. Only one thing has gone wrong with it and it turned out to be a godsend! The skyhook suspension packed up and when I got to the ECU it had ‘prototipo’ stamped all over. Talk to Maserati and it was actually a prototype, plus it left the factory on my birthday! So weird. Never selling it, so much fun too.
I really like these GT cars, the great V8 sound and the fact that you feel special even though you're not that fast.
Great look, and fantastic sound!:-) Looking forward to the next one!:-)
I love the 3200 and 4200, they really are some of the most beautiful cars ever made. The GranTurismo that replaced it just went all in on aggression, and all class has been lost, sadly.
I have to disagree, plenty of class here: ladiesforthegranturismo.wordpress.com/
Totally agree
I agree. After selling my 4200 in 2009 I bought a new Granturismo S and really didn’t like it. I sold it 18 months later - an expensive mistake! The Granturismo was much better built than the 4200, but much heavier, much larger and nowhere near as much fun. For me it was like driving a big BMW, fine but dull. You can’t hear/feel the engine, so why not just buy something German which would be much better built, would retain its residual even though it would be dull & bland. So earlier this year I bought another 4200, but a Spyder version. It’s just as good as I remember it and I realise how much I’d loved it!
@@RootsandTendrils
what the ?
I was into buying one but now it's been on Doug Demuro, Tavarish and your channel they'll probably go up in price
You should try a Gransport as well
Brilliant car , reliable , beautiful , sexy , smart - Last true Maserati made , got the Spyder and Coupe
Wish you’d review the 05-06 Maserati GranSport.
love this guys personality
Loving this Maserati series! Still dislike your shirts though... Would love if you could review a 90s Ghibli and Quattroporte. I had 4200 back in the day, wonderful car didn't have any issues in the 20k km and 2 years that I had it. Keep up the good work J!
I'd love to feature those too
@@JayEmmOnCars hopefully you can get a granturismo on the channel
A Ferrari owner can never, ever really like a Maserati. Too much car for too little money. I've had a 4200 Spyder with the manual transmission for 10 years and it's a great car...the buy of a lifetime.
This is not the F430 engine. This has a deeper sound because of the cross plane crank. Vs the scream of the Ferraris flat plane crank.
Has much in common with the f360 engine
Bradley Adams....it’s actually closer to the 430 than 360. 360 uses F131 engine, 430 & 4200 use F136.
@@seashackf1 ah interesting thought they all used the f136
0:51 now the COUPAYYYYY
Lovely lovely cars. Pity the parts prices are ruinous.
Re-watching, notice Tartan Tarmac at 8:36 🙂
Ahhh the Lee mobile :-)
wilsonabel 👋
Nice review. Very fair and balanced. I had a Spider, the skuttle shake was terrible! Good fun car and value for money is pretty good!
Defo something you don't see everyday does sound nice
Good review and thanks for the video.
My 2003 manual 4200 has amongst other improvements Formula Dynamics uprated anti roll bars which has eliminated the hesitation on turn in moving the bias away from understeer to a more a neutral balance.
The brakes are not amazing, when i refreshed mine they were great initially but now the discs are about half worn the car feels a touch under braked again. I am going to fit braided brake hoses on the next service to see what that does.
This is useful to know, thanks. I love these cars (without having driven one yet!), so any (aftermarket) info on how to iron out some of the creases on this car is always appreciated.
I just love that colour/Sound combination. :) :)
In the Sopranos, Johnny "Sack" Sacramoni had one in silver with the proper taillights.
I think you forget that as Ferrari and Maserati were under the same roof the bosses made Maserati the GT side of the business and Ferrari the hand core sharper to drive sports car side of the business.
Interestingly Maserati, under Ferrari, raided quite a few mechanical parts from your 550 to the 3200 (brakes) and also the 4200 (same brakes again and rear transaxle gearbox)
they got the looks pretty much nailed at launch....then each revision, as with the 911 just subtracted from the original purity - see also Countach, Pantera, Esprit,,,,etc etc - both the 3200 and 4200 seemed feisty wayward beasties to me during my 1/2 hr drives..
Have looked at these a few times. On the list of cars to replace one of my current ones if the time ever comes. If only it had the 3200’s rear lights.
there are a few people who have had the rear tail lights from the 3200 fitted to the 4200. not sure about the expense of changing the body panels to accommodate those lights, but it is possible. Depends on how long you intend to keep/can live with the car to justify the expense.
Justin Brown, sounds like too much work if panels need altering. I’m not that fussy, just be nice if they had them or was an easy replacement. Understand they were dropped because of US regs. Pesky regulations.
@Sparky yes, that’s correct (about the US regs). I think it’s just a matter of swapping out the tail light section, so it would be interesting to find out how much it would cost. I’m with you though, I prefer the boomerang lights, but could live with their replacements... I would need to live with the car for a while first, before weighing up/justifying the expense.
@ Sparky. I came across an interesting perspective on the 4200 last year, when a prospective buyer was asking if the 4200 would be an investment. The opinion was is that they will be, but not for a while yet... however, if one is thinking of these cars as just that, then look elsewhere, because there are better, more predictable (as investments go) cars out there. There are aftermarket mods which can be done to these cars which can bring them up (more or less) to the spec of the Gransport, making them a more serious option, it just depends on how passionate you are about the engine and the cars design.
I have a 3200, and I am keeping that, if you want a 3200 then buy one, yes they are expensive and temperamental, but lovely to drive regardless what this guy says.
I spent a good 2 years seriously looking for a GT 4200 (manual) ........ may as well as gone looking for unicorns, it would been easier. In Australia it seemed that the vast majority were the Cambiocorsa auto. Compounding the issue was there are many Australian GT4200s with dodgy providence and service histories. Also did not help that the local Maserati specialist turned out to be a bit of a tool.
Gave up in the end and purchased an Abarth124, no regrets........... but when l see and hear a GT4200 l do think what may have been.
I look forward to the gran turismo video
I've just bought one at auction based on your review... I know you found the suspension tricky, and steering lively, but the engine. Well, I had the same idea to own a poor man's Ferrari, without the Ferrari price tag - yes, it will be expensive to service and things will go wrong but, sit in it, and accelerate with the 4.2 litre V8 in an 18yr old car, and well. SO much car for not a lot of cash, cheap to insure, cheap to tax, will run on E10 when E5 is phased out in five years time. In my test drive, I could hear your voice explaining the ride and handling... poly bushes a first move.
That was cool Jay. Thanks :)
It needs 3200GT rear and and thats it - perfect car.
Please do a review of the granturismo! I'm particular as it's a car that's been around a long time it would be interesting to do a review of a very early Granturismo vs a very late one?
+1
That one is the Maserati I want, 4200GT with a manual trans.
Great episode 👍🏼👍🏼
Imagine this Mazzer with Fezza 575M v12 engine inside 😎 yeah hierarchy neve allowed that
almost bought one but have friends who own a ferrari dealership and he said i just needed very deep pockets when it goes wrong
I have been thinking about this review for a while. There is a video of this car driven on very challenging roads by a flamboyant and skillful Italian drivers. With more familiarity and daring some of the issues you raise may not be as significant as they seem. This is car that rewards a driver that learns the best way to drive it. I think many drivers have been spoiled by cars that go well and super comfortable regardless of skills.
It is not a rewarding drive - more capable than the early ones for sure - but it just never clicks
Thanks for your reply Jay. How much drive time do you have it int, how many hours/days behind the wheel? I wonder whether the wheel alignment has been dialed in perfectly. I have owned several cars, that were transformed by really getting the aliment right and the best set up isnt always the factory recommend either. I realize you can only report what you experience. Your review may indeed may right on one level, I just wanted to raise that the car might actually be better than it first appeared.
This is a different style of driving Ill grant that.. Yet I dont have doubt this car can really perform......
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I drove about an hour in all. Wheel alignment was almost certainly not perfect, but the car drove in a similar fashion to the 3200s I had driven so it wasn't driving "wrong"
Right, I hope you get one day to drive one again thats really sorted and as David says the other reviewer says it does have issues. This raises an idea Jay. I think you have done a bit of this already, and it cant be a main feature of your reviews. Yet there are cars out there that have been improved by their owners, and his can be trans-formative. I understand that you want to focus on what people can buy. Yet it is super cool when some of the flaws and limitations of a car get overcome by a passionate owner, and top flight mechanics. Great if you can feature some of these when you get a chance. Good on you for replying, Ill shut up now as I am probably getting annoying. Cheers Jay
Gransport review next, please :)
Wow, a rare car in manual. That cheesy sticker on the back feels completely out of place here.
More than eye watering parts prices.
This car its just perfect. I love it 🥰
I've always loved Maserati design and was disheartened in the 80s when they became a laughing stock. They still have had some beautiful designs but it seems only one model has had performance, reliability and build quality worth noting.
Seriously considering one of these a 2nd car. Enough space for a toddler seat in the back and genuinely special. For around £16k other options are a Lexus ISF or maybe a new Civic type R on PCP deal. I probably need to have a serious talk with myself when a Maserati seems like the sensible option....
What a fantastic sound
Great car. James if you see this you are welcome to try my Gransport MCV sometime
Beautiful sound
Beautiful looks
Grandé
I find that BMW's of the 90's/20's trigger the Abs too early too!
I think when an engine sounds as good as that you can put up with many faults.
Shift......Shift.......Shift....holy crap
Great video Jay, time to visit ebay and Pistonheads to check on those prices. ✌🏼
What do you think about the Spyder? I'm thinking of buying one.
Maserati make most beautiful interiers.
Please please please try a late Gransport model. It sorts all the handling and ride issues out imo 👍
I shall try!
@@JayEmmOnCars I will cross my fingers you can get into one! It will be even tougher but i also suggest a back to back with an earlier Granturismo 4.7 S with the same semi auto gearbox. Ive owned one of these three cars and driven one of the others and for me the best driving one is easy. Thats all i will say 😁
Gransport with a couple of minor tweaks is a fantastic drive, I drove many GT's changed back from the Grantourismo back to the raw Gransport love it.
Rear looks like a 4th gen Honda Prelude
JJ J J THAT SHIRT..... BIN, VID GREAT
I’d get the spider just so I could hear that engine better.
If you like 4200 then get your hands on GranSport which is the new level 4200 and so much even better!
A friend has the cambocorsa version and it’s exactly as you say a bit flighty and feels weird on a bumpy road and under braking, a lot of the handling is down to the skyhook system, I have a 2008 Maserati Quattroporte which is the GTS version, these have fixed bilstein dampers and bigger brakes in a somewhat heavier car but the same engine and as practical but fun cars go it’s a really good combination, much less floaty and more assured and a very high level of grip, perhaps you would like to try it?
@9:20 "...less white of knuckle...". hehehe. :)
Nice example
Don't forget about the Grandsport, allegedly fixed almost all of the issues. Shame you couldn't get them with the boomerang lights & I'm not sure about a manual, that would be a dream.
Gransport was cambio corsa only
Gransport is definitely the best of the series, but didn't come with a manual. The 4200 manual is the gem for me, but unfortunately hard to find
@@JayEmmOnCars That's a real shame, but at least they gave it extra horses to run with.
Jay, a little late on this, so I hope you see this message: which would you go for of the Maser Coupe and Jag XKR from the 2002-4-ish period?
What you must do is review a Covrette C5 or C6.
The only car I have ever been in where you have to put on gloves to adjust the heater vents or wind down a window. It’s really obvious from the comments, which people have ever owned a 4200GT, those genuine people, that would like to own one, but haven’t actually had that misery yet; And daft fantasists who say they have owned one.
For anyone genuinely interested in buying one. You can get as cheap as 7K in the UK, but a good manual will set you back 14K. However Really do some research into adding phone connections and listening to MP3 or Flac - it is a considerable pain and not very satisfactory. Build quality can border on the terrible unless the previous owner has spent a fortune. Engine Great. Gear Box ok. Styling fantastic. Daily usability very often dreadful. And you will need a garage, they actual leak if left outside - through the engine bulkhead into the passenger compartment unless the previous owner has fixed at cost.
Again... You didn't do your homework then so as they can be sorted for little money! There is a crowd called 'Sticky Buttons' in the UK that strip, paint and re-etch the icons back in to the buttons! The stickiness that you are referring to in these cars happen to all Italian cars including Ferrari... It just a thing that now, thanks to the crowd mentioned, can be easily sorted.
Build quality? Can you give examples?
@@greenisleoverland6469 Learn to read
@@mrsiamesecat9219What are you referring to?
@@greenisleoverland6469 It really is beyond you isn’t it? Try reading her whole post, rather than just trying to score points off the only black women you see in the postings. Odd that you didn’t comment to me under my original posting isn’t it?????
I think Ms Takam explained her irritations, as an actual Maserati owner, which is something you certainly have never been. As I did in my original post. If you had ever been in a Maserati let alone own one you would realise that it is not just buttons but all the heater vents and a load of other facia besides.
As an ex Maserati owner I will never buy again. At the price I paid in 2008 I don’t expect to be covered in black tar within 2 years of ownership. I don’t expect to need a bloody canoe when I get in the car after it has been raining if the car is parked up hill. I don’t expect to have to pay for a Sparky and a load of crap equipment from Hungary to just get garbage sound quality. The only way you can listen to MP3 or Flac. Try doing your research - then when you are old enough to drive one, you will know what to look for, as Ms Takam briefly explained above. You will also find out that a lot of Maserati owners know each other and all complain about the same things
@@mrsiamesecat9219 Here we go, a discussion strictly about a car brand and model has somehow descended into about race and gender. Just stick to the topic at hand, and before you reply if you do with the usual response that I must look a certain way and must have prejudices myself, well let's just say you'd be surprised if you saw me. Remember this is a car channel not Question Time or Prime Minister's questions.
For the record I do own a Maserati not a 4200 though and haven't had any problems with sticky buttons but yes there are owners that have had issues as with Ferrari owners of the model era too. Not just a Maserati flaw.
Chris Harris prefers the 3200 because it’s lively. JayEmm prefers a more sanitised experience.
What are the odds. Just browsing the current cars for sale for this type, than this came online. It's a shame manuals are hard to find. I don't hear much positive news about the cambiocorsa
Which year model is the version reviewed here?
December 2002
It’s actually registered as a January 2003 in the log book. But the same build run at the factory. 👍
What is the name of that transmission?
1- the larger tail lights were the result of the 4200 being released in the United States, requiring a larger visible area.
2- the engine is a Maserati engine... kind of. It is specifically tuned for the Maserati 4200. However, there were 3 different iterations of the 4.2 V8 used in both Ferrari AND Maserati models. All of the engines were engineered by Ferrari, with the finish tuning performed by Maserati for their specific applications.
I had to pick between a Jaguar XKR X100, the 4200GT or 3200GT. I picked the Jaguar mostly for it having better reliability and I always wanted a car with a supercharger. I think I picked well but I still really like the idea of having a 4200GT one day. Would love to see Jay take an XKR for a spin to compare them.
Have the X100 XKR (4.2) too, but if were to replace it I wouldn’t mind the 4200. I suspect the XKR is somewhat softer as more a grand tourer than this, even as a GT, seems sportier.
But as you say I think probably more reliable, I think parts are cheaper for the Jag, it’s supercharged (never tire of that whine along with V8 rumble), and I have a good local independent for it that I trust. That means a lot to me.
@@sparky4878 Yea I have a guy as well that I like to use for my Jaguar. He's a mobile mechanic as well and doesn't charge silly money like most garages do. He also doesn't screw me over which is all I could really ask for. The car is actually pretty easy to work on myself as I've done simple stuff myself like cleaning the throttle body and changing a few sensors myself. The roads around me are pretty terrible and even with the XKR the roads are pretty unpleasant so I think if the 4200 is stiffer and gives a worse ride I'll stick with the Jag.
Took it to Scotland a few weeks ago, the XKR loves those roads so much. They are really smooth with the car and really fun for high speed driving. I'm trying my best to avoid any specialists if I can as they tend to charge silly money for things that shouldn't cost what they charge.
We used to own a 2000 XKR Supercharge we purchased brand-new. The car in and of itself was absolutely wonderful, but it was legitimately a lemon. (We definitely should have been compensated for its issues.) Everything went wrong with it; the convertible roof even broke, twice, and the map light filled up with oil which then dripped all over the dashboard - I kid you not. It really is a shame, though, because the car drove like it was riding on a cloud, and it was surprisingly very practical. After 13 years, we finally got rid of it, albeit with a heavy heart.
@@icantgivecredit871 One day they might be worth a small fortune like E-Types. I hope.
@@Punisher9419 Assuming they work. I think the issues might have been fixed by 2002 or so, but the problem is that - at some point - they decided to put detached headrests on the seats, which looked quite ugly.
good, reasonable stuff - subbed: BUT the 3200 supposedly returns N I N E (9) MPG and the 4200 - 10MPG around town. I guess Much less if driven hard. . .That's ok if you are using Other People's petrol. Yes, servicing, parts are expensive, but yeah, naah now.
Not seeing much of your new car....?
I couldn’t stand driving mine. I just couldn’t live with the controls being made from gummy bears and liquorice. It would nice if you could update the stereo unit to something from the 21st century, but no you are stuck with the CD changer or you can always lay down £200 for a LoudLink from Hungary with all the audio quality you would expect from a low end mobile phone DAC.
The other thing is the 2”pool of water you can expect to acquire all over the carpets, if you ever leave your Maserati parked facing up hill. Are then there is the servicing, try changing the air filter or oil filter on you own, which you will have to do if you want the correct oil used rather than the chip fat dealers try to pass off as Helix.
The only good thing about the Maserati 4200GT Manual is it isn’t a Cambiocorsa paddle flapple crapple.
Ha ha - A fellow ex Maserati owner. You can always spot the bitterness, that remains, just like after one has a relationship with schizophrenic, psychopathic supermodel.
Lots of crap buddy , I have this car and its amazing - Last true Maserati made
The only car I have ever been in where you have to put on gloves to adjust the heater vents or wind down a window.
@@MadeleineTakam You didnt do your homework then so as they can be sorted for little money! There is a crowd called 'Sticky Buttons' in the UK that stripe, paint and re-etch the icons back in to the buttons! The stickiness that you are referring to in these cars happen to all Italian cars including Ferrari... It just a thing that now, thanks to the crowd mentioned, can be easily sorted.
Lastly, if that was your only complaint about your Maz then great! A great car so...
The 3200 GT is exactly how it should have been. Except for the reliability ;)
7years, no failure...., but how many miles?
15,000 miles and a trip round Europe, without a problem. Car had 29,000 on it, when I bought it and it’s almost 45,000 now. 👍