@@thesnortfort Yeah, Agro always has this problem with scene changes. There's nothing in his voice - and more importantly, in the displayed text - that would indicate a scene or PoV change, creating narrative whiplash that the original author didn't intend.
that's fan writing for you, it's pretty crappy.. Argo does his best to try to portray this, but since it isn't his written work it becomes pretty obvious.. I bet Argo would write a really awesome story though.
Came back from reading, it almost follows the classic concept on the early ideas of "Lightspeed wars" Where Gen 1 ships in FTL are "slower" than the next Gens that come as they join the Gen 1s in the lane, till God knows how many generations are in the funnel to feed the meatgrinder till it chokes on an ever strengthening force.
Reminds me of another HFY story humans are cheating bastards. Alien was playing a command and conquer style strategy game, started off hoarding all the systems that had an element necessary for ftl then starts getting hit with space rocks. Turns out the human in the group took all the easily held shit planets, and started playing several steps ahead of everyone,
@@kyriss12 I think I recall that story, that was their game was called Ascendance of Alphas or something like that, the human Dave(?) was a new arrival and was added in mid game. and utterly flooded them in ancient DAKKA fleets. The channel HFY did a vid on that series
@@myduckisonqauck7227 Sorry gave the wrong ch name. It's NFY. The title there is "This is why no one plays with humans" The sequel "Humans are cheating bastards"
Quantity has a quality all it's own. Also, from a rather entertaining 4x game, Sword of The Stars, the unofficial human motto. Repensum est Canicula. Paybacks a bitch
@@ettibbet5493 unfortunately it came out around the same time as sins of a solar empire. So it didn't get as much acclaim. But it's a solid 4X, kinda like stellaris. And master of Orion you do have control of your fleets.
These stories used to make me want to rage feel that fury, now I look at my son and get all deep with it. Growing up is amazing. Martial arts are heavenly. Listening to this while doing my forms, priceless.
Just pictured a K-Jewelers commercial for human spaceships only instead of the Slogan “Every Kiss begins with K.” The slogan would be, “Every Ship Begins with D.U.V….” (D.U.V. Death, Unity, and Vengeance…)
Bury the enemy in numbers, was never the Soviet approach. It just seemed that way. If that had been their doctrine, they wouldn't have gotten their assess kicked in Afghanistan.
By the time they invaded Afghanistan they were fully mechanized infantry force that adapted around fighting vehicles. In World war II they barely had tanks that worked, they literally produced 80,000 t34s just to throw at the Germans.
@@MaximusOverhead Except the 'drown in numbers' was not in fact their doctrine. Their doctrine was to mass at critical points, use concentrated fires to smash holes, then to pour their massed armour and infantry through those holes, whilst holding the rest of the line not taking part in the battle with the minimum possible forces. It *looked* like they were using mass, but fact is they were not, they were making the sensible wartime decision to outmass the enemy at the point of attack. By the way, the Germans did exactly the same thing, massed their armour and mobile infantry at the point of attack. The point was to gain local superiority even if you did not have Theatre superiority. Fact is the Germans did not fight alone on the Eastern Front. Add the Italians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Finns and other German Allies to the picture and manpower wise they actually outnumbered Soviet Russia, especially a Soviet Russia with a significant portion of its most populous regions under enemy control. The secret to Russian success in the last couple of years was the application of stupendous amounts of artillery fire. Were T34's cheap and poorly made? Yes, but that was a conscious decision. The Russian's needed armour in quantity, it needed to be good enough and no better. They literally decided that a tank would not survive 6 months active service so why bother making sure any of its parts lasted much longer? Easier to just discard it and issue a new one. Its why T34's are such a bitch for people to keep running these days because they were literally not built to last. But they did not need to. They just needed to be good enough, and last long enough... no more, no less. And that meant they could build the things in the ridiculous number they needed. Because they were cheap as chips as tanks went, and good enough.
@@alganhar1 That's all well and good, but the point still stands that the USSR didn't care about personnel/material losses in the slightest if the job got done. Going off just eastern front casualties statistics. Germans and allies, 5.1 million dead 4.5 million captured. USSR 8.7-10 million dead 4.1-5.7 million captured. AKA the swarm mentality alluded to in the short story.
Oh? Quite a few war cemeteries disprove that statement. It all depends on the enemy in the end. Where they generally an honourable and brave enemy? Or were they homicidal maniacs? The latter would be forgotten, the former however, might very well be remembered alongside our own. It has certainly happened before.
@@alganhar1 Lol, did you even listen to the story? The alien enemy would become the focus of every xenophobic bone in our bodies. I'm not even convinced that we would accept an unconditional surrender. I think we would either send the enemy back to the stone age, or exterminate them.
@@alganhar1 in the end the only thing separating them was a concept called "nation", but they were still humans who had families, friends, etc like you, meanwhile with aliens... it's different, maybe an individual will accept them, but our species will need some time to get along with aliens.
This reminds me of all the blood fued wars i grew up hearing in the south. Entire familes over generations would just hate and fight each other over wjat was once a (usually) minor slight that boiled into bloodshed. Then it was just a cycle of revenge for past acts of violance.
. . . sorry, but humanity going "we would never [ . . ] for believing in the wrong things," turning the other cheek and being the bigger man after that kind of generational motivation just ripped away my suspension of disbelief in a split second, too bad since I was enjoying it. Story was pretty damned good otherwise. The opposite problem is a lot more common, where some alien civilization sneezes in humanity's direction and we go all "Purge the Xeno" on them. Sorry Mr/Ms author, but humans not purging Xenos for wrongthink, after said wrongthink having lead to the Xenos murdering humans as much as they can on sight, is just . . . that not a human, that's one of the lizardmen from Nebulon IX wearing his skinsuit. They should ask the Zuck for a ride home.
Just like the time in real life that the world exterminated all German citizens, instead of only defeating the military and overthrowing the political leaders, because they killed millions and had a racist attitude towards everything non white, right? Let's face it we only kill until there's no more fighting to be had, the moment a bomb drop on a xeno child care or hospital, half the humans will march the streets demanding peace, no matter how many soldiers died before, and politics will end conflict to be re-elected, of course it will take a few years, but humanity as a whole is way past complete exterminating species, war is fine, but exterminating is a bit much unless we are at risk of dying as a species or they just don't surrender.
@@pedrothevenard If they had been kiling every single French, Polish, and other non-Axis person they came across, yes the Allies would have genocided the German people. But they only killed people who weren't really popular with the Allies either for the most part, not completely indiscriminately. Homosexuals, Roma, and Jews weren't exactly liked in general by Europe at the time. I suppose the attitude towards disabled people varied from culture to culture.
@@DefaultFlame 2 world wars, almost destroying Russia, which by the way its who won the war, do you think Russia was cool with the dozens of millions of Russians dying, Germans killed and burn everything in Russia up to Stalingrad, and sure Russia killed the German prisoners in the end, but they did nothing to the civilians, and Russians are not well know for being nice dudes in wars, they are pretty much the last people you want to lose for, and they still were just cool in getting half of Germany and letting civilians be and creating a nation instead of just getting revenge, we stopped exterminating people since we tried to do that to the American and Oceania natives, we just don't do that anymore, unless there's a nuclear war that threatens life itself, we just don't do it, we can be absolutely terrible, and do the nastiest things you can imagine, but we just don't exterminate sentient beings to extinction, not even the ones we really really hate.
@@pedrothevenard I think the Armenians would beg to differ on whether we still try to commit genocide. Perhaps the Uyghurs could weigh in on the issue, though I suppose they might not qualify for the term genocide since most of them aren't dying as far as I know. Does Pol Pot count? He did only kill, what, a quarter of his populace? Do the Kurds count? As far as I know no one has any organized efforts to kill them, but they sure do seem very unwelcome in most places. ISIS generally doesn't kill you if you follow their rules if you live in their territory, but if you don't it's generally death, but that isn't technically aimed at any specific people but the whole world and you are allowed to "live" under them, so not any genocide here I suppose. You have a lot more optimism about human nature and it's changability than I do. On an unrelated note, you seem pretty informed, can you explain to me why racism against black people seems near universal in China? I haven't been able to find any explanation for it, but seeing videos of crowds of chinese people cheerfully chanting "niggah, niggah, go home niggah" in broken English and laughing because there's a single dark skinned person disembarking a buss after arriving in the city is odd and I can't find any reasons for the animosity and ridicule.
@@DefaultFlame All of these examples did NOT kill to extinction anyone, not even the the Hutus kill to extinction the Tutsis, which it shouldn't be possible anyway because they are the same people in the first place. As I said we are able to commit atrocities, kill millions, rape, torture, enslave, exterminate a quarter of the population, what we do NOT do is kill to extinction, there are a few crazy individuals who are exceptions and try , but every time they rise to power 80% of the humans on earth are against it, if it is a people that has low representation, sometimes countries do nothing, but that happens in places where generalized poverty just doesn't justify action, but when it is a big war against a big nation we just don't keep going, we always stop in atrocity, we don't push for extinction, even if you did find a couple examples that extinction did happen there'll be literally insurmountable thousands of conflicts in history that it didn't go that far, and it makes no sense to use the absolutely exception of the exception to describe human war behavior against civilians of the losing side.
Ah finally one that humans don't drive a species to extinction. I am so sick of the stories where humans, be human and kill everyone. Never try to understand the enemy.. or learn that you can't teach a lesson to someone who is dead.
The best HFY stories are where humans are just... odd. Like, yes, we drink ethanol and season our food with neurotoxins. Yes, we can run for hours because we can sweat. Yes, we're uniquely suited to throwing things and bludgeoning things with surprising force. Yes, the part of our mind that remembers immediate reasons kinda re-sets when we walk through a doorway. Yes, percussive maintenance and Rubber Duck debugging are a real thing.
Like. Id argue even some of our worse examples of modern humanity wouldn't outright wipe out a whole race. Yes we destroy what is a danger to us. But we're inherently curious and unless we were faced with extiontion I doubt we'd be sterotipically savage.
*Joshua* Yeah He 's waking up and He's cranky. Avoid beeches on the pacific, until He's had His Coffee. Until then , He's in beast mode. Apt to bite off the head of anyone He sees, unless they have coffee as a sacrifice. Lots of it ! Its a sad state of affairs when the high priest of the Highest, wakes up an addict. Apparently, millennia immersed in the dreams of humanity have left their mark. He can't even digest the stuff, but He stil craves it!
I'd love a story where we tamed Cthulhu just by immersing him in Human culture so much that he considers it not worth the effort to destroy us, and instead sees more value in keeping us around.
After the scene at the Galactic Council it took me a second to realize there was a POV change
Same, had me wondering why aliens would know zeus
@@thesnortfort Yeah, Agro always has this problem with scene changes. There's nothing in his voice - and more importantly, in the displayed text - that would indicate a scene or PoV change, creating narrative whiplash that the original author didn't intend.
To be fair, a lot of short stories on reddit don't have anything to show scene or POV changes either.
that's fan writing for you, it's pretty crappy.. Argo does his best to try to portray this, but since it isn't his written work it becomes pretty obvious.. I bet Argo would write a really awesome story though.
Came back from reading, it almost follows the classic concept on the early ideas of "Lightspeed wars"
Where Gen 1 ships in FTL are "slower" than the next Gens that come as they join the Gen 1s in the lane, till God knows how many generations are in the funnel to feed the meatgrinder till it chokes on an ever strengthening force.
Reminds me of another HFY story humans are cheating bastards. Alien was playing a command and conquer style strategy game, started off hoarding all the systems that had an element necessary for ftl then starts getting hit with space rocks.
Turns out the human in the group took all the easily held shit planets, and started playing several steps ahead of everyone,
@@kyriss12 I think I recall that story, that was their game was called Ascendance of Alphas or something like that, the human Dave(?) was a new arrival and was added in mid game. and utterly flooded them in ancient DAKKA fleets.
The channel HFY did a vid on that series
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That’s the one.
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@@myduckisonqauck7227 Sorry gave the wrong ch name. It's NFY.
The title there is "This is why no one plays with humans"
The sequel "Humans are cheating bastards"
For the Algorithm, and HFY. Every Terran has relatives, friends, classmates, guildmates, and neighbors, and we hunt in packs. Heh.
Well written and has an emotional impact.
Quantity has a quality all it's own.
Also, from a rather entertaining 4x game, Sword of The Stars, the unofficial human motto. Repensum est Canicula. Paybacks a bitch
love that game.
@@griffgoldstein6378 what's it like? Is it over to gal civ or master of Orion or more like stellaris?
@@ettibbet5493 unfortunately it came out around the same time as sins of a solar empire. So it didn't get as much acclaim. But it's a solid 4X, kinda like stellaris. And master of Orion you do have control of your fleets.
@@griffgoldstein6378 I'll have to pick it up, love 4x games, I've been replaying conquest of the new world recently
@@ettibbet5493 It's almost a scifi version of Total War. Turn based grand strategy map. Realtime tactical combat.
These stories used to make me want to rage feel that fury, now I look at my son and get all deep with it. Growing up is amazing. Martial arts are heavenly. Listening to this while doing my forms, priceless.
Just pictured a K-Jewelers commercial for human spaceships only instead of the Slogan “Every Kiss begins with K.” The slogan would be, “Every Ship Begins with D.U.V….” (D.U.V. Death, Unity, and Vengeance…)
Synopsis: what would happen if humanity reached ftl technology before creating an autopilot…
You know, heavy mutations from excessive use of spice.
I do so love the wall of guns.
I've been waiting for a good EMP story
The fact that the narrator stopped in the middle of " extinct-" means that humanity wanted to push them to extinction but controlled themselves.
I mean we still have that violence within us but we want to be better
Stubborn critters, ain't we?
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The change of narrative voice was not immediately clear.
But yes, fear the swarm!!!!!
Good story well read.
Bury the enemy in numbers, was never the Soviet approach. It just seemed that way. If that had been their doctrine, they wouldn't have gotten their assess kicked in Afghanistan.
By the time they invaded Afghanistan they were fully mechanized infantry force that adapted around fighting vehicles. In World war II they barely had tanks that worked, they literally produced 80,000 t34s just to throw at the Germans.
@@MaximusOverhead Except the 'drown in numbers' was not in fact their doctrine. Their doctrine was to mass at critical points, use concentrated fires to smash holes, then to pour their massed armour and infantry through those holes, whilst holding the rest of the line not taking part in the battle with the minimum possible forces. It *looked* like they were using mass, but fact is they were not, they were making the sensible wartime decision to outmass the enemy at the point of attack. By the way, the Germans did exactly the same thing, massed their armour and mobile infantry at the point of attack. The point was to gain local superiority even if you did not have Theatre superiority.
Fact is the Germans did not fight alone on the Eastern Front. Add the Italians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Finns and other German Allies to the picture and manpower wise they actually outnumbered Soviet Russia, especially a Soviet Russia with a significant portion of its most populous regions under enemy control.
The secret to Russian success in the last couple of years was the application of stupendous amounts of artillery fire. Were T34's cheap and poorly made? Yes, but that was a conscious decision. The Russian's needed armour in quantity, it needed to be good enough and no better. They literally decided that a tank would not survive 6 months active service so why bother making sure any of its parts lasted much longer? Easier to just discard it and issue a new one. Its why T34's are such a bitch for people to keep running these days because they were literally not built to last. But they did not need to. They just needed to be good enough, and last long enough... no more, no less. And that meant they could build the things in the ridiculous number they needed. Because they were cheap as chips as tanks went, and good enough.
@@alganhar1 That's all well and good, but the point still stands that the USSR didn't care about personnel/material losses in the slightest if the job got done. Going off just eastern front casualties statistics. Germans and allies, 5.1 million dead
4.5 million captured.
USSR 8.7-10 million dead
4.1-5.7 million captured.
AKA the swarm mentality alluded to in the short story.
Ww2 soviets and Afghanistan Soviets were drastically diffrent military forces. And drasticly diffrent wars all togeather.
The throw away Dyson sphere was a wtf moment. And then the ending was just odd.
There is absolutely no chance that we'd include the names of enemies alongside our own fallen.
Oh? Quite a few war cemeteries disprove that statement. It all depends on the enemy in the end. Where they generally an honourable and brave enemy? Or were they homicidal maniacs? The latter would be forgotten, the former however, might very well be remembered alongside our own.
It has certainly happened before.
@@alganhar1 Lol, did you even listen to the story? The alien enemy would become the focus of every xenophobic bone in our bodies. I'm not even convinced that we would accept an unconditional surrender. I think we would either send the enemy back to the stone age, or exterminate them.
@@alganhar1 so far its been done since we are all humans. xenospecies might be a tad diffrent but we shall hopefully see when we are a space-species
The people who write these are too idealistic for their own good.
@@alganhar1 in the end the only thing separating them was a concept called "nation", but they were still humans who had families, friends, etc like you, meanwhile with aliens... it's different, maybe an individual will accept them, but our species will need some time to get along with aliens.
Thank you for the video.
Imagine so many dead that it takes a *DYSON SPHERE* to record all the names.
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This reminds me of all the blood fued wars i grew up hearing in the south.
Entire familes over generations would just hate and fight each other over wjat was once a (usually) minor slight that boiled into bloodshed. Then it was just a cycle of revenge for past acts of violance.
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. . . sorry, but humanity going "we would never [ . . ] for believing in the wrong things," turning the other cheek and being the bigger man after that kind of generational motivation just ripped away my suspension of disbelief in a split second, too bad since I was enjoying it. Story was pretty damned good otherwise. The opposite problem is a lot more common, where some alien civilization sneezes in humanity's direction and we go all "Purge the Xeno" on them.
Sorry Mr/Ms author, but humans not purging Xenos for wrongthink, after said wrongthink having lead to the Xenos murdering humans as much as they can on sight, is just . . . that not a human, that's one of the lizardmen from Nebulon IX wearing his skinsuit. They should ask the Zuck for a ride home.
Just like the time in real life that the world exterminated all German citizens, instead of only defeating the military and overthrowing the political leaders, because they killed millions and had a racist attitude towards everything non white, right?
Let's face it we only kill until there's no more fighting to be had, the moment a bomb drop on a xeno child care or hospital, half the humans will march the streets demanding peace, no matter how many soldiers died before, and politics will end conflict to be re-elected, of course it will take a few years, but humanity as a whole is way past complete exterminating species, war is fine, but exterminating is a bit much unless we are at risk of dying as a species or they just don't surrender.
@@pedrothevenard If they had been kiling every single French, Polish, and other non-Axis person they came across, yes the Allies would have genocided the German people.
But they only killed people who weren't really popular with the Allies either for the most part, not completely indiscriminately.
Homosexuals, Roma, and Jews weren't exactly liked in general by Europe at the time. I suppose the attitude towards disabled people varied from culture to culture.
@@DefaultFlame 2 world wars, almost destroying Russia, which by the way its who won the war, do you think Russia was cool with the dozens of millions of Russians dying, Germans killed and burn everything in Russia up to Stalingrad, and sure Russia killed the German prisoners in the end, but they did nothing to the civilians, and Russians are not well know for being nice dudes in wars, they are pretty much the last people you want to lose for, and they still were just cool in getting half of Germany and letting civilians be and creating a nation instead of just getting revenge, we stopped exterminating people since we tried to do that to the American and Oceania natives, we just don't do that anymore, unless there's a nuclear war that threatens life itself, we just don't do it, we can be absolutely terrible, and do the nastiest things you can imagine, but we just don't exterminate sentient beings to extinction, not even the ones we really really hate.
@@pedrothevenard I think the Armenians would beg to differ on whether we still try to commit genocide.
Perhaps the Uyghurs could weigh in on the issue, though I suppose they might not qualify for the term genocide since most of them aren't dying as far as I know.
Does Pol Pot count? He did only kill, what, a quarter of his populace?
Do the Kurds count? As far as I know no one has any organized efforts to kill them, but they sure do seem very unwelcome in most places.
ISIS generally doesn't kill you if you follow their rules if you live in their territory, but if you don't it's generally death, but that isn't technically aimed at any specific people but the whole world and you are allowed to "live" under them, so not any genocide here I suppose.
You have a lot more optimism about human nature and it's changability than I do.
On an unrelated note, you seem pretty informed, can you explain to me why racism against black people seems near universal in China?
I haven't been able to find any explanation for it, but seeing videos of crowds of chinese people cheerfully chanting "niggah, niggah, go home niggah" in broken English and laughing because there's a single dark skinned person disembarking a buss after arriving in the city is odd and I can't find any reasons for the animosity and ridicule.
@@DefaultFlame All of these examples did NOT kill to extinction anyone, not even the the Hutus kill to extinction the Tutsis, which it shouldn't be possible anyway because they are the same people in the first place.
As I said we are able to commit atrocities, kill millions, rape, torture, enslave, exterminate a quarter of the population, what we do NOT do is kill to extinction, there are a few crazy individuals who are exceptions and try , but every time they rise to power 80% of the humans on earth are against it, if it is a people that has low representation, sometimes countries do nothing, but that happens in places where generalized poverty just doesn't justify action, but when it is a big war against a big nation we just don't keep going, we always stop in atrocity, we don't push for extinction, even if you did find a couple examples that extinction did happen there'll be literally insurmountable thousands of conflicts in history that it didn't go that far, and it makes no sense to use the absolutely exception of the exception to describe human war behavior against civilians of the losing side.
The change in perspective threw me off. It seemed clear as to what happened but I didn't identify anything that showed its change.
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Ah finally one that humans don't drive a species to extinction. I am so sick of the stories where humans, be human and kill everyone. Never try to understand the enemy.. or learn that you can't teach a lesson to someone who is dead.
The best HFY stories are where humans are just... odd. Like, yes, we drink ethanol and season our food with neurotoxins. Yes, we can run for hours because we can sweat. Yes, we're uniquely suited to throwing things and bludgeoning things with surprising force.
Yes, the part of our mind that remembers immediate reasons kinda re-sets when we walk through a doorway. Yes, percussive maintenance and Rubber Duck debugging are a real thing.
i find the "humans driving a species to extinction" stories rarer than the "human beat the shit out of bad aliens then show mercy" stories
The lesson isn't meant for those being slaughtered, it's for any that think they can conquer humanity.
An extinct species is a pacified species.
Like. Id argue even some of our worse examples of modern humanity wouldn't outright wipe out a whole race. Yes we destroy what is a danger to us. But we're inherently curious and unless we were faced with extiontion I doubt we'd be sterotipically savage.
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I liked the older thumbnail. why the change?
I sometimes change it when a thumbnail doesn't seem to be performing well
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Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
*Joshua*
Yeah He 's waking up and He's cranky. Avoid beeches on the pacific, until He's had His Coffee. Until then , He's in beast mode. Apt to bite off the head of anyone He sees, unless they have coffee as a sacrifice. Lots of it !
Its a sad state of affairs when the high priest of the Highest, wakes up an addict. Apparently, millennia immersed in the dreams of humanity have left their mark.
He can't even digest the stuff, but He stil craves it!
I'd love a story where we tamed Cthulhu just by immersing him in Human culture so much that he considers it not worth the effort to destroy us, and instead sees more value in keeping us around.
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