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America’s NRA are very critical of Australia’s gun control laws. I can’t think of any higher praise for our laws.
I don’t care what NRA think we make our own laws even though I’m very critical of Australia’s firearms laws it’s not what most people think
We just have higher home invasions , knife and machete attacks now..The criminals still have guns but home owners don't for defence .
@@ethkuliyan4536 actually hasn’t changed if you look at the stats but go off
@@firebrand2619 they are hyper-critical of our gun laws because they are scared.
@@ethkuliyan4536 please quote us your references for this absurd claim - no, really, we'll wait
We just think that someone's right to life outweighs someone's right to guns .
They don't deserve life if they threaten my family's life. So what will you give them a sandwich while they rob your house and rape your daughter?
You're right, however there are many examples of countries being taken over by their tyrannical government once the guns have been taken away from the people. Many people (millions) are then slaughtered as they had no way to fight back.
Also. The right of kids to go to school and not get shot.
Depends who's life, plenty of people who aren't even worth a bullet.
@@andrewsmall6834 are you referring to Scumo 😂
“Freedom” (US) - owning a gun no matter the cost.
“Freedom” (AU) - going through life without any fear of gun violence.
That’s simply not true there were 32 shootings just in Sydney alone in 2022
@@seanfrazer4589 Do Sydneysiders fear gun violence? I don’t think so.
@@seanfrazer4589 Were they targeted or tragic accidents with people being at the wrong place at the wrong time
@@seanfrazer4589 Mainly concentrated in the dodgy areas of Western Sydney, here's a clue, don't live in a dodgy area.
@@seanfrazer4589and how many of those 32 were random? In Adelaide we have shootings to and 99.9% of them are considered known to each other which means in general unless you happen to be a mistaken person like one in Adelaide a few years ago, if you don’t deal with gangs and criminals you shouldn’t have anything to worry about.
Our gun laws are designed to prevent guns getting into the hands of the wrong people. While it’s never fail safe it means kids aren’t able to take dads gun to school because they were being bullied Day in and Day out. Anyone who thinks our gun laws were going to fully wipe out all gun related incidents are lying to themselves but based on the history prior to the laws taking affect we should have had at least another 30 mass shootings by now. Instead, for most of the people we feel safe walking on the streets, we feel safe walking in crowded areas of our biggest cities, we feel safe at home.
In the US the largest killer of children are guns. - not even all due to mass shootings, you have kids getting hands on a parents gun thinking it’s a toy or using it as a toy not realising it’s loaded and they take the safety off.
I had to hand in firearms when the new laws came in, and I was angry and upset about it at the time. Looking back now, it's one of the best things we ever did as a nation
Thank-you for your honest comment. My father in law also handed in his guns, and was not happy at the time, but is grateful now.
Thank you for doing that and saying that.
Thank you for doing the right thing even tho you didn't want to 🙌
The self defense reason for owning a firearm is bulls##t. Here in Australia you have to legally keep your firearms locked in a gun safe that's permanently fixed into position, and the ammunition must be locked up separately inside the gun safe.
The police carry out random safety checks quite frequently to ensure that gun owners are complying.
It's a good system, not perfect, but it's better than what we had prior to 1996.
My dad is a game shooter and had to hand in several of his guns also. At the time he was pissed, he was ALWAYS super strict and extremely careful with his guns they were always locked in a gun safe and as teenagers we were drilled never to tell anyone about the guns in the home. It was safety he was most always so responsible with, he does now agree it was one of the best things this country ever did. He still has his hunting guns but only a few.
Edit* my sister has just let me know that her horse of 28 yrs was finally down yesterday morning and was on his final leg. Sadly my sister did have to euthanise him late yesterday afternoon and fortunately they do have a rifle on hand for the farm. It would have been 2 days before a vet could travel out that far so my sister had to end his suffering herself. I’m definitely not against guns, just in the right hands for valid reasons.
What’s interesting to me is that Americans appear scared of Australia’s wildlife - spiders, sharks, snakes etc but the total combined deaths from all these creatures since 1980 is less than 90. Which is around 2.3 per year combined. Many Australians on the other hand are extremely worried travelling to the US for fear of being shot, and that fear is very real and ever present. Americans are very blasé about gun violence and appear to not think about it. Australians are very blasé about creature attack and definitely do not think about it at all.
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And you get people who say they won't come to Australia because of those scary creatures, but then they happily holiday in or move to the US. It baffles me!
Who gives a fuck about gun violence in America, they've got fucken bears and mountain lions, you can survive an encounter with a gunmen.
The animals also don't think about it, & unlike American people, who seem to carry & pull guns at the slightest provocation, snakes, spiders etc here tend to just follow the typical Aussie attitude if provoked & just say to themselves "she'll be right mate" & walk/crawl/slither away instead of pulling out their weapons
I didn’t know that, thank you for sharing that info 🙂
The most impressive thing to me - as a grateful Tasmanian - was that John Howard was a Conservative prime minister. He acted in the best interests of the nation by tightening our gun laws, despite opposition within his ranks. He left an incredible legacy.
I think the only thing he did that was any good . His Legacy 👍🏼
@@tanya9112 was just going to say that, definitely Howard's only good policy. Tampa undid some of the good in his legacy.
THE only ONE good legacy JH left and his own people didn't agree with what he proposed. How ironic that that's what he'll be remembered for!
@@tanya9112 If you were correct, I'd agree with you.
Unfortunately the Labor Government tried to enact much stricter gun laws about ten years earlier but lost the battle because of the fervent opposition from the conservative parties( Howard's mob). The then NSW labour premier at the time stated that it will take a bloody gun massacre before we will ever get decent gun reform in Australia. Very prophetic indeed.
Whenever someone asks me why I don't want a gun for self-defense, I always reply: defence from what? No one around me has guns, I am not in danger. I do not live my life in fear.
I don't have snow gear or surfboard because it doesn't snow where I live and the beach is 7 hours away. Just like I don't have a gun to protect myself; I don't need one. It's a special kind of freedom I think, to have security.
Well said!
I live in Melbourne. I have 5 legal rifles. They live in the safe unless I am hunting or sighting in. We are responsible gun owners.
We do NOT own guns for self defence. I call the police for that.
Owning a gun for self defense isn't going to do much anyway, unless you are aware you're going to need it and have it ready you're not going to be able to use it at all
I always find the people that believe that the US is the best country in the world AND that they need an everyday carry for self defence while there to be very odd.
These two concepts are mutually exclusive. You are free to believe either of them individually, but the only way to believe both is a serious self-delusion.
Yeah I had this argument with an American who asked me how would I protect myself when someone breaks into my house .. and I just kept saying they won't have a gun. I live in Perth, chances are RARE. They sincerely didn't understand that the guns just aren't here. A police officer had to draw his weapon a few years ago here - just draw, no shooting - and it was front page news. I know it might be different in the bigger cities, but over here a baseball bat by my bed is my protection if I need it
As a teacher in Australia, I am very grateful that I don't worry going to school everyday that there could be a mass shooting. It must be awful for parents sending their children to school everyday, not knowing if it could happen :(
I’d pick a snake sneaking into my children’s school over a gunman any day.
yeh, that Texas one really moved me, the little girl calling 911 from inside the room with the gunman & the operator telling her she needed to get the other 6-8 year old children in the room to whimper & cry more quietly as they bled to death, so as to not attract the gunman's attention & cause her death & the little girl saying how she's trying, but they won't be quiet. These are little children, who have been shot & are in excruciating pain & trying their best to die quietly to help their friends survive, as their little friends smear themselves with blood of their dead friends to make the gunman think they are dead & not shoot them, all while dozens of adult cowards stood outside the door, in police uniforms, too scared to enter & save the children, only being willing to arrest their parents who tried to storm the building to rescue their little children. How can the people of any country tolerate that?????????
One mass school shooting is enough to bring changes to the gun laws. In most countries.
@@mehere8038 It is awful to realise that no event, no school shooting will ever be tragic enough to spur change in American gun laws. I thought change would occur after Colombine. After all, it was as significant amount of people as our Port Arthur. Nope. Multiple mass shootings - schools, government offices, cinema, university campus... Nothing. When Sandy Hook happened, I thought - this- this would be the event to trigger change. All those little *little* children and their teachers. Complete innocents. Nope. Turned into a conspiracy theory. It was after this that I realised *nothing* will ever be enough to change Americans' views on gun ownership. *Nothing*. And there we have 10 years later, Uvalde. Nothing will ever change. And it's awful, but a certain level of my empathy has run out.
@@vincentlevarrick6557 agreed with all, except I still have empathy for the children, but not those doing it to the children!
Additional to everything you're saying, your comment's not showing to anyone not already posted in here, cause that's also how they do it there, they consider stuff like what you said to be too controversial, so cencor it, which of course decreases even further the chance change will ever happen, as they can't even discuss it & build momentum for change! Tip, use "US" instead of the full name, it's harder to cencor. Pretty sure yours was still going due to the number of shoooting locations you listed, plus conspirasy in there, but the US thing in general I find really helpful. Deliberate typos on certain words are good too :)
Only hope I have for them is with their younger generation, those kids from "March for our lives" are actually getting at least some changes made in some of the hardest to penetrate states.
This next generation, currently in the making, globally/first world countries, seems to actually have gumption & a willingness to fix the world in a way not seen for many generations. Time will tell, but I do think it's possible "generation lockdown" might actually break the mould & force changes on a range of stuff, from guns to the climate.
btw, have a look at the "generation lockdown" video if you want to cry in seeing just what this current generation live with & how they're a different breed to their parents & grandparents who never experienced that & have no grasp of what it's like. Was written by a couple of Aussies, who I guess are not desensitised to the issue & could see how nuts it is
Other suggestion I heard for making changes is to actually show the pictures of the carnage, put it in people's faces so they can't deny it & along with that, the idea of teachers making "will" videos giving permission for their images to be used if they die in a school shooting, along with talking about their fear going to work everyday, so when they die, those videos then get released, alongside the photos of their heads blown off & dna being needed to identify them, cause visual's not possible, see if that can shock people into action in the way Vietnam photos of that kind did. Let people see the videos of them alive & in fear of being shot, let people connect with them as people, then show their bodies after that fear is realised
I was conversing with a female client of mine, who had recently moved from the US to Australia for work. While I was working with her I asked her what was the biggest culture shock that her or her family (husband, and two high school aged kids) had experienced. She sat for a second and said that her biggest shock was that there was no security at the schools, and that kids here in Australia don't run active shooter drills. She started to tear up in overwhelming relief at that thought. Hit me hard.
THIS!! people will argue that our guns laws didn't wipe crime completely, and it didn't, but NONE of us ever worry that we are going to be shot.
And america has more guns than they know what to.do with and they are less safe.
You'll notice the murder suicide was in a rural location. As a land owner he was allowed to have a firearm but with the drought a lot of landowners became suicidal and this man took his and his families lives as a result.
Diana is correct.
Yes, he actually had 4 legal rifles and was a hobby farmer. He had other income than just the farm. Killed his 4 grandchildren, daughter and wife. Just too horrible.
Suicide will always be perceived as a solution by some people but there is never a justification for what he did.
The real impact of Gun Control Laws is that as an Australian parent, I don't have to send my kids to school with bullet proof school bags.
Our kids don't have to learn active shooter drills because it just doesn't happen.
Gun violence still definitely exists here, but it simply does not affect the daily lives of most of us
Yes we have active shooter drills, just called lockdown drills. It's less traumatic and we don't teach kids to use their friends blood as camouflage.
And we don't have buckets of kitty litter in our classrooms for the kids to pee if they are locked down or to soak up any blood!
@@julesmasseffectmusic where do they do that? My kids are getting to the end of their schooling now, and have never had drills like this, only fire drills.
well we had one massacre in 100 years, then only the lawful people got punished, think that's fair, you think one gun owner with a rifle couldnt do as much damage as someone with a banned firearm?
laws do not stop illegal activity.
think about it.
the laws here made no difference at all
@@darrynworthy7129 got something on your chest there buddy
Here in Australia we can’t comprehend the number of gun murders in America. The number of children that die each year is beyond heartbreaking. ❤
Cancer kills less kids in the US than gun violence.. let that sink in.
Two little girls, Alannah and Madeline, along with their mother and 32 others are tragically killed at Port Arthur. As a parent I will never forget their names and I am truly grateful for our strict gun control laws. ❤
I will never forget that family either, or the devastation of the father imagining the fear of his children and the guilt of surviving! 😭
Thankfully John Howard listened to the people and I will be eternally grateful for our gun laws.
The vision of Walter, sitting, twisting one of his daughter's hair ties in his hands, has never left me.
Well said..At the time I did not think much of John Howard but after port Arthur my respect for him grew..
I fully agree ,that broke Australias heart and the psycho who committed the atrocity will thankfully rot in jail.I applaud former John Howard for having the guts to change to change the gun laws,no private citizen needs to own or have in their possession an assault reason,it is ludicrous.
I completed 13 years of school and didn't do a single active shooter drill. What a privileged life
My kids' schools do drills, but they call it "shelter in place." Unlikely to ever be needed, but better safe than sorry.
@@PianoDiary85different name, same shiz, the point here is, WHY are kids even worrying about guns, why are guns so available when they don't need to be. #americaproblems
The only time in an Australian school that a panic button is set off is when a priest enters a classroom 😁
@@seanlander9321 we had rouge snakes .. but I guess that's much the same really
Yeah no need to be taught to run a zig zag pattern here in Oz.
Our culture is different enough to America that while we have gun enthusiasts, we don't have the rabid gun lobbyists. That said, I'm proud of us too, John Howard was never particularly popular, but this one thing is worth remembering him for.
The federal government was always looking for an excuse to ban firearms unfortunate took a Massacre to do it.
We did have a pretty strong gun lobby before gun laws came in. There were protests until the laws came in.
the REAL gun nuts here join the army and do thier massacring in a totally UN approved way lol
It took a lot of stones to stand up there and say sorry these laws are changing, one great thing Howard did. I got annoyed at the comment she made in this video, was we though we were immune, don't think that at all because we still do have guns. I think a lot of American's think it's totally illegal to own a gun here, I know that my neighbour owns one and joking asked him to shoot the stupid plovers in my backyard nesting all the time (bloody vicious things they are) 😂
@@shell5659 pfft :) youll just have to put up with the plovers :) you can take em down with a broom without killin em you know? play a bit of cricket :) or that schoolkid fave .. a bag fulla books :)
It's important to note, in that graph at the 7:00 mark, the higher number includes suicides while the (much) smaller number is homicides. Not suggesting that someone's death by suicide is trivial (it's not!) but the number of people murdered with a gun per annum in Australia is less than what America does any day before lunchtime :(
Australia has "gangs" and organised crime but not at the same level as the USA. Lower rates of poverty due to public welfare systems reduces crime rates. That's another thing the US could learn.
And with the authority of police to perform random checks of suspicious folks when certain conditions are present (the most basic being a Random Breath/Oral Fluid Test for a driver), organised criminal groups are less likely to risk the complications of a firearm being found in their possession
Since only criminals usually have guns and those that do usually leave citizens or innocents alone as police get "more involved" if they are affected. Best to go under the radar.
@@Benasouki people don't truly realise how true this is for a country like Australia. Yeah, we have gangs and they do have guns (which are mostly stolen) but they pretty much mostly use them on eachother. The guy that was hired to take out that gang leader at the speedway last year is a good example. I grew up around some not very savory characters and I can tell you it's more common for them to rob and shoot eachother than it is to do it to a civilian because they don't go to the cops. as soon as they do terrorise the public the cops crack down even harder.
@@kidsyx Also when it is gang/drug related the police are not as motivated, whereas if a civilian innocent is harmed the motivation and investigation goes ballistic and gangs get reamed, there will always be gangs as we are social tribal animals so it is a matter of leaving the tribes play their games as long as they do not harm society in general.
Plus we have free medicare and free drug treatment programs that reduce so much of the crime pressure from addicts that were created often from family dysfunction and peer group in their very early teens, but their challenge is the environment and culture they know is one based around drugs and getting money to buy those drugs so it is hard for them to go sober and integrate into normal society as they effectively come from a different world
the usa has way more people than australia so it would be a bit more fair to measure per capita
I'm a legal firearm owner in Australia and what I have is pretty basic and simple. A few years back I went to the US, my friend and I had some spare time and went to a range near Nashville to have some fun with some weapons that we can never have. It was a real rush, I could tell that it has an psychological effect. Because for a start it does give you a primal feeling of power, it really does. A little like driving a high powered sports car for the first time but different. I feel much safer knowing that they are illegal in Australia. The thought that everyday people in the community could have these weapons is terrifying. I don't ever want to own one.
I once thought it was safe
@@JonahCourtney So what exactly did you think was safe ?
@@iggyblitz8739 having a gun to keep you safe?
Totally agree with you. I have used guns and I understand the feeling of power at the end of your arm. I would never own or fire one again.
I sadly think, like it or not, with 3D printing and micromanufacturing we are going to have dramas society wide when criminal enterprises have locally made full auto and the price for illegal guns will drop significantly enough for the crazies to consider using instead of current favourite (car).
As good guys who want to legally carry (even LLW), own armour and have self defence don't have a way to do so without becoming a criminal. hoping we as a society can start discussing the reforms and controls to have some pathway.
The main change was the removal of semiautomatic and other rapid fire types of weapons. The fact that the *number* of guns is on the rise is not so much of a concern. Of course background checks, genuine reason for ownership and mandated secure storage are important too.
I think that graph was numerical quantity, not guns per head of population. In 1996 there were 18M+ people, in 2023 it's 26M+. Agree it's getting rid of the self loaders & semi automatics that was most important.
semi-autos & other rapid fire weapons are still available in Australia, but only for those with a legit purpose for them & with serious background/need to have checks, which means they aren't used for shooting people, so I don't see the issue, our gun laws mean I feel safe & I think most, if not all Aussies do
Hmmm. the illegal gun trade is a worry, its big, but mainly gang related...
interestingly the increased number of guns reflects more guns for people wanting them...the number of individuals having guns and the number of households with guns has steadily fallen...
@@jaynemeulman8484 probably reflects just an ability to afford more over time too. I'm guessing the desire for more would be farmers wanting one for the house, one for the car, one for the shed & so on, so that they can just leave the guns in the locked box in each location & not have to go through the process of unlocking & moving & relocking the gun repeatedly during the day. Much easier for them if they can just keep a gun in each location where they might need it to shoot injured livestock, wildlife etc if needed, compared to having to constantly move around & keep locked up a single gun isn't it. I'd want more than one gun in that location too, the more the better (or at least one for every location where I had a history of needing to use it). I have multiple screwdrivers in different locations around my home, same with scissors, pens & various other tools, just more convenient & presumably the same would apply with guns for those who need them as tools in their job, where they live, easier to have multiple than have to keep driving to where the 1 is to get it when needed. I have different size & types of scissors too & would imagine with guns they'd also probably do similar, with slight variations in them to cover a more comprehensive range of tasks more easily, I mean I can use nail scissors for big stuff & big scissors for cutting nails & other small stuff, but where possible I choose to buy a better match & assume they do the same with guns, big ones where cattle might need shooting, small ones where rabbits are more likely the target & so on
I still think of Annette, Madeline and Alannah Mikac who were killed at Port Arthur Tassy as I met them once. Walter Mikac was my local pharmacist when they lived in Melbourne. I still remember the day, mum Annette and her 2 little girls popped into the chemist to see daddy at work. Many of us in the shop stopped and chatted Annette and admire her 2 beautiful little girls. I will never forget their smiling and happy faces, Walter included of course, as the proud dad. The locals were in shock and disbelief when we heard Nanette. Alannah and Madeline had been shot. Only met mum and girls once, saw Walter more often of course but I’ll never ever forget the smiles on all their faces 😢💞
As of the middle of February the Gun Violence Archive has counted 80 mass shootings in the USA this year. Last year the group counted 647 mass shootings. This blew my mind! No way do I ever want to go there. So much safer here in Oz! 😮
the grimm truth is most of those firearm related deaths where suicides by farmers, when times where tough and we had a period of of long droughts many farmers would drive their tractor to the back paddock and end their lives with usually a shotgun. it got so bad that a group of farmers wives got together to say enough is enough, we need to get help for these guys rather than letting them struggle in silence until it appears hopeless.
I think the significant thing here is why Australia had a low rate of mass shootings in the first place. We don't have the 'wild west' / frontier mentality of the US. Our Constitution is an administrative document that enabled separate colonies to federate, not a rights-based manifesto full of anachronistic clauses left over from the 1700s. And most of us would probably agree that freedom FROM gun violence is more important than the freedom to carry guns.
Not a frontier mentality anymore, but there was a time shooting of Aboriginals to remove them from land coveted by settlers was rather common, particularly in WA and NT.
@@TheZodiacz Are you sure? I thought bullets were too expensive to use on that & the removal method of choice was to poison the waterholes & take out the entire clan, children included, in one go
Australian colonists never had to fear large carnivores either. If lived in a wooded area with bears and wolves I would want to be armed.
Ok we did have the wild west and lots of Aboriginal people were shot so let's get that one out of the way . As for state and federal laws we've always had that it's just Australians are a bit more intelligent than Americans who believe they need big weapons to protect themselves
@@TheZodiacz you are correct but most of that stuff happened in Victoria New South Wales and Queensland you can tell because they don't have any full bloods left in those states. Where as in South Australia northern territory and western Australia have lots. sure there were some issues in our three states but nothing like over in the east
The answers are all there for the USA from all the countries that have proper gun laws but as soon as you try to apply them to the USA you hit the 2nd amendment like a brick wall and any conversation is almost immediately shut down.
@@firebrand2619 America's problem is the NRA makes the gun laws through lobbying, not the people. Democracy has no part in the decisions.
@@firebrand2619 Sorry mate, that was terrible English. I think you were trying to say that we shouldn’t have a say on America’s gun laws as we wouldn’t like it if they had an opinion on ours? 👍
A brick wall made of misinterpretation of the second amendment.
Also, an amendment is a change..which can be changed.
@@krissee6961 exactly! the 18th amendment bans alcohol, the 21st amends that to allow it (ironic numbers, given drinking ages). No reason they can't amend the second, but they don't even need to, they're not allowed to have personal nukes or machine guns & they don't say that's allowed under their second amendment, plus the amendment says a "well regulated", so what tf is stopping them applying proper regulations, such as not allowed guns if mentally ill?
It's alll about which way the supreme court is stacked when you assess the interpretation of the second amendment
I bought a AK47 from a gun dealer for $750 and had to hand it in back then and the government paid me $900 for it 👍, didn't really bother me handing it in 👍🇦🇺
I remember the Port Arthur Massacre vividly. I was living in Sydney at the time and my partner and l had been for a weekend break to Tasmania a couple of weeks before and had visited Port Arthur. It was chilling to realise how easily it could have been us. Sadly here in Aotearoa/ New Zealand we didn't follow Australia's lead when we should have but, waited until we had a massacre of our own. One evil creature ironically, an Australian who had been radicalised on his travels, was responsible for murdering 51 people at their prayers and wounding 40 others. The whole country was in shock and disbelief that this could have happened here and I'm glad that after that our government acted swiftly, repealed the gun laws and initiated a buy back scheme. The whole vile act was live streamed, so the Prime Minister then initiated The Christchurch Call, which is a community of over 120 governments, online service providers, and civil society organisations acting together to eliminate terrorist and violent extremist content online.
My biggest problem with gun control laws is everyone is looking for the silver bullet (no pun intended). There is no perfect answer, but sitting idle while the problem continues is not helping. Any step towards improvement is a good thing, even if it doesn't fix the problem.
1 silver bullet's never fixed anything, hence why guns have the option to reload, rather than coming with a single bullet & being disposable after it's fired, so yeh, obviously silly to think they can fix everything & make the world Disneyland with one action, of course a series of actions is needed!
No legislation magically fixes everything.
You need iterations and improvements until the right balance is struck.
Right now parts of our laws are tighter than they need to be, others are still too loose. Political lobbying and misunderstanding of threats mean that this is always thus.
Then you can always amend the laws.
Sadly, there is no trigger for amending the laws based on threats in intervening years, and no one wants to sign their name to loosening laws.
Some may see this as a non issue, but this isn't just about firearms but across ALL of society.
So I'll throw this one at you. Non gun related. Australia has some of the MOST restrictive cycling rules in the world. Helmets and all. Obviously saves lives, right?
But mostly it saves lives due to supressing cycling. And Australia has what, the second highest obesity rates in the world, in part BECAUSE of those helmet laws and the restrictions they cause to cycling. They actively encourage car use, pollution caused by that, and actively restrict mobility.
The worst nation at this, is the USA where the police will pull you up for walking in many neighborhoods and interrogate you.
We need to get the balance right, and balance our investment in infrastructure for mobility, community, healthy lifestyles, and safety.
We do better than the US sure, but do we do better than Netherlands? Switzerland? Norway?
@@AndyViant I moved out from Australia 14 years ago and live in South East Asia... While I understand your point, it's not really what I'm looking at.
The problem at the moment is that a lot of people look at something and pick out negatives. If it's not perfect, then it isn't worth doing. I tend to look at things as though they're worth doing if they're an improvement, as long as they are less flawed than what they're replacing.
As far cycling goes... I was a kid when the helmet laws came in to effect. It hasn't restricted cycling to anyone or made anyone's life inherently more difficult. It certainly didn't contribute to obesity. I also don't think it protects society and is therefore a pointless law.
@@ianscott424 Incremental improvement, and then learning from those changes is how society moves forward.
Not radical changes which the public will not accept.
People are by nature conservative. Not meaning they wear MAGA hats and expect black people and women to know their place, but meaning that they want to continue in a world they can understand.
Each restriction we make to people's behaviour through legislation has consequences, both short term in the response people have, positive or negative. But also those in the behavioural and activity shifts, the legislation that is passed. The changes to infrastructure investment, training, and the societal acceptance of behaviours.
Some are positive. Some are negative.
Some have unforseen consequences.
The prevented head trauma and associated medical costs that came from compulsory bicycle helmets of the 1980's leads inexorably to the reduction in cycling, increase in obesity and heart disease of the 2020's.
The gun control laws that were implemented in Aus since 1996 made a massive difference to the number of shootings, the evidence is there, now your point is valid in improving other services like mental health for all and improving Medicare to make MH services more available to all. Also police have to do better at pre- Identifying potential nutters on social media, like with the recent shooting in Queensland, if police knew this extremist Christian trio were pumping out their nutter ideology online they could have been more prepared.
As gun ownership increased again we need to take note that majority of these guns are now under the new legislation being registered for legitimate use and proper background checks. Our population has also increased from 18M to 26M which is a significant percentage increase as well
Yes Ryan, look up the Port Arthur Massacre! The quiet, peaceful, isolated, tourist area! I have been there, my family goes there regularly, luckily not that day! What's more dangerous than an idiot with an automatic weapon!? 🤨😰 You are lucky to be safe too! 🤗👍
I know that not long ago a tragic incident happened in Queensland involving the death of police after being ambushed by people with gun. Can't remember the full details but I believe there was about two deaths. I live in WA and it was shocking news over here. Any deaths by guns in Australia shake the nation.
It was 2 police officers & a neighbour who were slain & 3 perpetrators were then killed by police. They were religious fanatics police investigators revealed recently.
3 died, 2 police officers and an innocent civilian 😢 All 3 of the offenders were also shot and killed by the responding police.
It was Christian terrorists.
He had been brain rotted by the covid mandates and vax from what I read so he targetted a neighbour so he could ambush the police .. Such a sad situation, he was isolated, stuck in a bubble of conspiracy and believed it was what he had to do 😖 RIP to those that were lost. I'm in WA also 👍
@@lifeasrini The police were at the property to inquire about a missing person report about one of the attackers that was lodged in NSW by his ex-wife. The property belonged to his brother, the other male gunman.
The innocent civilian was their neighbour, who heard the popping sound of the gunfire and saw the smoke from where the set the grass on fire to smoke out the 3rd officer and went to help thinking it was a brush fire that was out of control.
I don’t condemn gun ownership in America if that’s their law. I just can’t get my head around why semi automatic weapons aren’t banned. They’re the ones that cause the most damage.
False. Handguns in the hands of urban criminals are the ones that cause the most damage. And none of those are legally owned.
Military weapons are not meant to be in the hands of the untrained public. It's ridiculous.
@@nelliekenny9630 except that the second amendment clearly states 'well regulated militia' but that bit seems to be pushed to the side...
One person can't kill dozens in a few minutes, with a knife. A knife is up close and personal ... one at a time.
I wouldn't like to bet on it, but certainly a group can. In China a group of 7 were politically motivated to kill 31 people at a train station in 2014, and in 2015 9 others killed 50 men at a coal mine and injured another 50.
In 2010 a man killed 8 children at a school in a knife attack due to mental illness.
@@TheZodiacz so you're saying it took 7 people working together to manage to create enough confusion & chaos that victims didn't know which way to run to reach safety, so as to acheive the same results that 1 person acheived in Australia with guns?
Why don't you think about what you're saying! Think about how many 7 people, working together could take out if they were fully armed! 1 at each entrance & EVERY person at that train station would have been dead, no doubt WAY more than 31!
@@mehere8038 31, 50.........i think those numbers constitute " Dozens ". Don't you ?
@@RodneyMcMinge I guess, but I don't see how "dozens" is in any way relevant to any discussion here, certainly not relevant to anything I said, is it
Using a knife is much harder to do mentally. Impersonal violence (at a distance with a firearm) is easier to do without the personal contact and only some are that broken and cowardly.
The Port Arthur massacre was so shocking to all Australians! It shook us to our core!
You also need to look at the UK after the Dunblane massacre. Note that the tennis star Andy Murray and his brother survived Dunblane. Both Dunblane and Port Arthur happened 2years before Colonbine both countries changed the law in the the UK and Australia and in Australia there was not a mass shooting for 20years. In both the UK and Australia the wanted change America does not want change they value the gun more than human life. A gun is a privilege not a right.
As a Tasmania and a mum of 5 kids, I have never been fearful of sending my kids to school in fear that there would be a school shooting as we here in Australia have never had on ( touch wood). Show me one American that is the same. How horrible for the parents that must fear that every day when they kiss their kids goodbye in the mornings.
Technically there was one in NSW in 2003, involving a crossbow. No fatalities, but one girl was seriously injured. I remember being thankful this wasn't America, where a kid like that could have got hold of anything even deadlier.
@@SH-qs7ee As sad as I am for the two girls shot and the other students who had to experience it, I am still kind of proud that a crossbow was easier to find than a gun.
We have youth gangs in Australia who are involved with crime but they don’t have guns. To buy a gun on the black market is on average $10K so the only people who have them illegally are serious organised crime gangs not just kids with weed.
you'd likely find those guns being used more as a status symbol then on people as they arn't stupid.
$10k lol,you're dreaming.
@@S.M.E.A.C Yes, it was just admitted to a person in the cocaine trade it was between 18 - 28K now. Small change considering the profits.
Sorry but in the first 45 days of 2023 America had 80 mass shootings. That is almost two a day not one a week!!!😢they have become so common most aren’t reported on.😢
As a Tasmanian we live in the safest place since the gun laws changed , i am so glad we can walk down the street without fear
Never heard of a self loading knife! Or a semi-automatic knife, but I've heard a lot of Americans compare knife attacks to gun attacks, which is a ridiculous comparison.
There are sophisticated criminal gangs in Australia, but we have laws that prohibit people from recognised gangs associating with each other. So we got rid of the guns and now we're trying to get rid of the gangs.
No. Australia has laws that allow the government to make it illegal for anybody they don't like to congregate together. That is how the laws are written. Church, community centre, protesters etc
@@TheRastacabbage perhaps, but first they have to be declared an undesirable group which could be overturned in a court of law.
@@WatchingDude I'll refer you to covid & the 'undesirables'. It's already happening. All the woke warriors with the racism, sexism, phobes & bigotry. What have you been watching dude? Not reality
@@WatchingDude yes, but independent observers are dropping our freedom rating based on this & press harassment/intimidation by politicians, so if we don't want to go the way of the US (which is way below us on the freedom scales), we need to keep our eyes & minds open & be willing to fight for our freedoms. Lets be real here, governments will always try to get more power than they should have, only the people stop them being able to go to far & we need to remain awake to do that!
I mean if this goes to the courts, do they really even have the right to find in favour of the person impacted? Our constitution gives the government the power to make laws based on race, so if a race in particular is told they're not allowed to associate with others, the court would HAVE to find in support of what the constitution says the laws are in Australia.
Information is our defence! We don't need guns, but we do need information & to use our voices to stay free & safe
We in Australia do not have guns to carry on
We do have health care though for everyone so no one is
“Desperate “enough to shoot for life saving money
I only wish I knew what the hell you were talking about and I'm sure everybody would say the same thing
No one needs to spend basically any money on health care in australia, so why would people shoot each other for large sums of money (unless drugs are involved)
Ok now I seem to understand what you're talking about and I think you're being rather simplistic I don't think it's got anything to do with healthcare its about people wanting to be like the stereotype that we're supposed to be ,so they steal
@@James-kv6kb just seems so desperate You have to ask why
@@catherinemardling7827 desperate ? Asking why ? Are you one of these silly little girls that likes just making things up to sound smart ?
The thing to note about the mass shooting in WA is it was a familicide where the killer, the grandfather, chose to murder his whole family instead of allowing the children live with their father. He was a farmer who legally owned the guns he had and would normally have passed a background check. The crime occurred on the farm property. Additional rules were added to prevent a similar occurrence in the future.
But what this wasn’t, was some asshat with a gun going on a shooting spree in a public place trying to kill as many people as possible because they are a disturbed whiny little baby.
How many of those gun related deaths currently relate to rural/remote farmer suicide?
quite a lot unfortunately..
if U r going to take your life U will find a way with or without a firearm unfortunately
@@MrThomas864 yeah, its worst when peoples suicide involves others, like driving into a truck or jumping in front of trains
And these people, who live on rural properties, are almost guaranteed to be granted a licence.
@@petermcculloch4933 true but whether you have guns or not it isn't hard to take your own life if you want to.
I worked at the Royal Hobart Hospital and was the support clinician for one of the survivors whose 15 year old daughter was killed. Martin Bryant is still in forensic psychiatric prison. Our gun laws are great.
The most gun related death statistic now is suicide. Farmers have guns. Life on the land is tough. We don't have the handgun ownership that the US has. Our police carry guns. Very proud of our laws in Australia 🇦🇺
something i have always said when making fun of americans and their gun laws is their logic: "OMG I NEED TO BUY MYSELF A GUN TO PROTECT MYSELF FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE GUNS!!" XD
I guess in a demented way it makes sense that they need to defend themselves with a gun because EVERYONE has guns, luckily we don't need to live like that.
I think the biggest difference between the US and Australia is that the US tends to be very self-centric, where individual freedoms tend to be given priority over the collective, while Australia tends towards a more community driven society, giving up a portion of that individual freedom for a more relative safety.
That's not logic at all... that's the path to lunacy and the Muricans have been on it for centuries...
@@SH-qs7ee I believe that's called a democracy... it's pretty common outside of the US you know..
The event in 2018 was in a rural district where the shooter obviously legally had a gun. It was a murder/suicide of a family.
That was an horrendous thing in port arthur , the worst ever in Australia. I for one am glad that the laws regarding guns over here are so strict. Unfortunately they can still be brought from shady people shall we say, then into the hands of gangs ( bunch of idiots who think there so great🤦♀️🤦♀️) and trouble comes with it. Most people who own guns have to have special licenses, permits and a gun safe bolted into concrete and locked at all times. We are lucky to live here. Take care and thank you for sharing 👍👏❤️
Why has there never been an interview with Martin after the event? Shady
@@MadMasterNeil there is footage of police interview afterwards. Martin Bryant is in forensic psychiatric prison and not fit to give interviews. Not shady at all. I worked in mental health here in Tasmania for 30 years. I was also the support clinician for Carol - one of the survivors whose 15 year old daughter was shot and killed. Don't believe the conspiracy junk.
@@MadMasterNeil why would we give that scumbag a voice???
@@MadMasterNeil Why glorify a murderer and his actions?
As an Australian who has dated an American and had American friends, I feel like the biggest difference between our two countries is our lack of a Civil War history. There is a deeply ingrained fear of the government in the US, and deeper divisions culturally, because I think in many ways the Civil War never really ended.
I had an American friend basically say to me, "you guys gave up guns, what are you going to do if you need to rise up against a government that's treating you badly?" And I said, "if you knew Australian polticians, you wouldn't think that". Like I work for the government and I promise you we're not that organised. And he's technically not even wrong, but it's just so interesting that that was his go to scenario, while it's not something that us Australians think about at all I don't think.
That just goes to show how frigging stupid American's are if they think they can take on the US Government/Military with their handful of AR16's. This is the type of person that should never be allowed to ever hold a firearm.
The real joke is that the “tyranny” that the US was breaking away from and it’s former colonies are imo far more democratic than the US is now. I don’t even think that the US is a true democracy. They have Gerrymandering, unlimited political donations and politicians who would never put the best interests of their country over their own.
That's the biggest contradiction I find with Americans.
They go on about how free they are as a country and almost worship their leaders like gods yet they don't trust their government at all.
That's the most confusing mindset on the planet.
To love your country yet dislike your government... yet without government there is no nation.
As an American, I love this content
And now as someone who is born and raised in nsw australia those few murders are why we are here! Sorry we dont need guns for self defence to feel safe..... we leave our doors open at night our cars unlocked always and iv never even broken into. Aussie is a much safer place and we are proud of that.
I was one simultaneously traumatized and grateful Tasmanian. My best girlfriend lived in Port Arthur and I spent many summers there also helping her with her summer job at the Port Arthur historic site (tour guide and hospitality jobs). I also by chance met and talked to the son of one of the tour bus drivers murdered at Port Arthur, at a bar several years later. He was haunted and completely broken as a human being. Tasmanians decided a long time ago also that the monster who took our loved ones and our collective sense of innocence away, would never ever be named in respect for the lives lost and to help the Tasman Peninsula community heal and try to move forward. I had two young children at the time and the monster lived in the neighboring suburb. The local newspaper was criticized for putting his face on the front page with his eyes intentionally blacked out. It was a horrible time for Tassie. The most beautiful peaceful place to live in the world became infamous for all the wrong reasons. Respect to all who fought hard with gun reform and supported my beloved island during that time. Much love from Hobart xx
I have a mate who once owned/managed a remote outback roadhouse (Truckstop/gas station). He was licensed to carry a handgun and its primary purpose was to defend against criminals attempting to raid the roadhouse.
Giving me Mad Max vibes there… lol
But I grew up out west and know how isolated it is.
Nice story brah. Or it was an area with high indigenous population...
@@zybch Nice reply, brah... Your racism shines through.
@@zybch Not nice.
They are always a few exceptions. I know a pastoralist that has permit to have a handgun, purely as an excuse to defend himself against feral pigs if he was to come off his motorbike.
The rival drug gangs in Sydney are always shooting each other, so yes the criminals can still get access to guns, mostly pistols or sawn off shotguns.
Yes, but they shoot each other, so I don't mind.
Unlike the USA, we do not have a constitutional right to "bear arms" which made it easier to have a national arms agreement. What we do have is a list of six foundation principles and perhaps the one that tends to be most present in a lot of Australian decision making and in the daily life within Australian communities is the principle of "rights balanced by responsibilities". An example is that not only do we have the right to vote, but it is a legal responsibility to do so. Obviously when there are a lot of competing ideas, it doesn't always work out smoothly. However, community needs generally play a strong role in decision making, and Aussies being Aussies, we are quite forthcoming if we are not happy about decisions.
They don't have the right to "bear arms" there, only to have a "well regulated militia"
And it's called an amendment, so it could be changed! Ha ha, I know I'm funny..... Nothing is ever gunna change, they are too far gone, too many guns and no one will to sacrifice any so called rights for the good of the community.
@@mehere8038 "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms"
@@JB-zs1oq And yet there doesn't seem to be a problem in preventing them owning RPG's & personal nuclear bombs
@@JB-zs1oq That's exactly the issue in the USA - to me the sentence "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed," does not have the same meaning as simply saying "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" without context. This seems to be pushing the wording of the constitution to its absolute breaking point.
Why is gun violence not gun violence when it's "gang related"? Those are human lives you know.
well .. in a gang war everyone involved is .. kinda voluntary to play a very dangerous and stupid sport :) fair enough .. I wont stand between two biker gangs who wanna go at it, as long as they dont shoot civilians
I was thinking the same. All those air quotes reminded me of Don Jr. lol
also how often is "gang violence" a mass shooting? I guess like Ryan said it depends if its considered "mass" when 2+ or 5+ I couldn't imagine 5 or more people being shot even if its gang related
There are differences though, Mexico theoretically has a higher homicide rate than the US, but tourists who go to Mexico are not really at risk, it's easy to avoid the danger from the cartels, whereas in the US, you get shot in schools, concerts, nightclubs, supermarkets etc etc & innocent people are the primary targets, while in places like Mexico, they may occasionally get caught in the crosshairs, but the cartels will try to avoid shooting them.
Bit like how we never really enforced surrender of guns here that people didn't voluntarily hand in. We just left them inside homes, cause they were away from the public, which was all we cared about. There's a difference in caring if armed people shoot armed people vs caring if armed people are targetting us. Yes it's still bad for those shot in gangs & there's always sob stories as to how they ended up there, but it's still very different, cause it doesn't impact those of us on the outside in the same way
@@markhill3858 statistics show high percentage of gang members to be incredibly young, you might be talking about a bunch of 12-13 year olds shooting at each other to fit in with a group. The age when mistakes are basically the norm.
We have gangs too, they shoot, but they often use knives instead of guns
And most Bikie clubs only shoot each other, no profit in shooting innocent bystanders.
@@jemxs Was just about to say this. I couldn't care less about bikies shooting bikies, just don't bring anyone else into it or at risk.
@@jemxs Yep and the cops keep it quiet. They don't want copy cats.
I remember when the law came into effect. My family gave up 2 guns, I think. Without protest besides that it was a shame they couldn’t keep an heirloom, if I remember right. We were glad something was being done. It came with a big but though. Those guns were addresssed (forever glad of it) but less so the many various causes behind the violence. That, we are still working on.
Wrong you can have heirloom firearm you just have to register firearm must be locked in a secure location another expert opinion of someone who.doesn’t know the law
@@firebrand2619 Who has what now? Sorry, I don’t understand
@@lynettegraves6261 heirloom is something that has been passed down for generations through family members. Examples are a family bible, antiques, weapons!! or jewellery.
@@firebrand2619 Yes
When the gun laws came into effect my abusive x hubby had to give up his rifle. I was very grateful.
There’s a very well made movie based on Martin Bryant, the shooter of the Port Arthur Massacre. It’s called Nitram, it was made in 2021 and an American plays Martin. 👍👍
well personally I've not heard of it & have no interest in it. Bryant needs to rot in jail without ANY attention of any kind!
Someone I know was one of the first officers there that day she still gas nightmares about it.
I think even though the number of guns in circulation here may have increased, what we don't have in Aus is any sort of widespread gun culture. It just wouldn't occur to your average person to pop a gun on their belt or in their handbag before going out, or that's it's an essential part of home protection. It's just not a thing, and I think that probably makes a difference too.
We have a gun culture. We don't have crime culture. Well not a publicised one. The cops and courts keep it pretty quiet but look up the court dockets for drug dealers with tacked on gun charges.
There will always be people who, for whatever reason, will seek out guns (legally or not). The best we can do is not make it easy and that was working. It really saddens me that these laws have been eroded over time. Despite this, wherever I've lived in Australia, I have never gone out or stayed home worrying that someone might shoot me.
It’s easier to get an illegal gun in Australia than a legal one.
Eroded? Which legislative changes caused the erosion? None! Because there are none. Just a scam video and another youtuber "reacting" to that scam bait video.
There are probably people all around you who own guns. They just don't tell you that they do.
In Australia, almost all of the mass shootings that we've had in modern times have been either gang related (ie gang war) or family murder suicide... and that's not many. The family murder-suicide in WA they mention here happened on a rural property, so the perpetrator likely legally owned the gun for farming purposes. We don't have people just walking in and shooting the place up like you hear of in the US. Not since Port Arthur.
I have a friend here in Aus, who owns a gun. He is licensed and is in a shooting league. He takes his responsibility extremely serious. His weapon is always unloaded, the ammunition is required to be kept seperate and has to be kept in a concealed manner such as a secure container. I know for a fact, if someone broke into his house, he wouldn’t go and grab his gun to defend himself(partly due to knowing the intruder won’t have one). But would instead confront the intruder, ask him to leave, if he won’t, to avoid his weapon being stolen by chance, allow the intruder to take what he needs and get out. The rest is covered by insurance. No need to be violent.
As an Australian; we are in deep crap with 3d printing and micro manufacturing bypassing our existing firearm controls; so soon only the criminals will have firearms and there is no way for us to carry anything (including tasers and LLW) or have body armour.
There were two couples from my small town in Victoria at Port Arthur during the massacre. Both the wives survived because their husbands pushed them under a cafe table and shielded them. Both of the husbands were killed. Also just FYI there is a recent movie made about the massacre called Nitram. Please don’t watch it. The survivors and victims families believe it glorifies the killings.
I think there were a lot of Australians connected in some way to the ppl who died. We were a country in deep mourning.
I went to Port Author years later, a bit reluctantly. I wasn't sure how I would feel, being there. Where the cafe stood is now a memorial garden. It's actually a very serene place. I met Walter some years later, through the Alannah and Madeline Foundation. A very strong man to turn such a tragedy into something positive.
I didn't watch it. I started and after a little while I realised what it was about and switched it off. I really don't want to know.
A friend of mine moved to Australia from Texas and had her mace confiscated when she entered the country. She said she felt extremely vulnerable after that, but after about a week found herself feeling safer than she ever had in the US. It was a massive psychological shock to her sense of safety
small hair spray products work,
I was not a John Howard supporter but his action to change gun laws was one of the top two political actions I've seen in my life. Theres no doubt in my mind that access to guns facilitates gun violence. Ryan, you need to consider this, you have a young son who has the right to be as safe as possible as he grows up.☮️
Every time gun control comes up, someone says "but you'll never get rid of gun violence completely", as though the aim is to eliminate it. Nobody expects gun control to eliminate gun violence, merely reduce it. And wouldn't reduction by half - merely on the numbers as percentages - still be a good thing? Half the number of Uvaldes or Parklands? Half the number of Pulse nightclubs? Half the number of Charleston SC massacres? But the "self-defence" clause is the one which makes people cling to their firearms in a spirit of fear.
I was 19 when Port Arthur happened and didn't like the prime minister and government of the day, in fact I couldn't stand him or his party and their policies.
However John Howard absolutely amazed me with his response to Port Arthur and I will always be grateful. I see story after story after story about gun violence incidents in America every day, it's impossible to imagine that happening here.
I have no interest in visiting America any time soon because it seems the most dangerous thing you can do is get off plane, after that you're at risk of being shot 24/7.
We are strict about how guns and bullets are securely stored. You rarely hear about Australian kids accidentally shooting their siblings and parents; woman don't drive around with loaded guns in the pocket behind their seat, that their kids get to and start shooting.
In our schools kids do fire drills, not active shooter drills.
I don't know a single person who has been shot and most Aussies would be the same these days.
Your countries obsession with guns is terrifying, your country is attacking itself, it's madness.
I still remember the image of John Howard wearing a bullet proof vest under his suit.
I’m an Aussie and I can’t even fathom the thought of needing a gun for self-defence. It’s such an abstract thing to me. I remember hearing things like gun attacks in America and then seeing the attacks we have and crazy things like ordinary citizens able to subdue knife wielding criminals with milk crates. It’s weird when I hear of random shootings we do have (usually specific one on one attacks) and THAT seems insane and huge to me. I don’t know how America could change like we did but as an ordinary citizen I don’t feel I have lost any safety or rights by those changes. I’m even half curious about shooting guns for sport - but I would never take it home or have it on me outside of a range or even contemplate it. I’m always curious how Americans saw our change.
Well I'll give you an example from 1985 to 2022 I was a Police Officer over 37yrs in metropolitan policing, in that time I NEVER drew my gun except for putting down injured animals, never been shot at. See if you can find that in the USA?
I’m an Aussie and I’ve never heard any other Aussie say “Happy Arvo”.
All depends on how the country's people think. With Australia we always think" for the greater good of the country." But America thinks totally different, like" we have a right to bear arms." Another would be " we have a right to freedom of speech". This also is to do with the Covid situation. Us Australians did whatever the boss( PM) said, with a maybe 0.05% minority against it. So basically the whole country paid attention and followed the rules given. We also acted fast when it came out therefore we had less deaths. I think we had like 50,000 deaths for Covid. Now we are waaayyy better off because we did what the PM said and acted like a united group. America has a lot of rules and amendments which you all quote so freely at the drop of a hat, with every single decision. With Australia we just think "would it be for the greater good for us." Thats the only question we ask.
What this program doesn't mention was the two major mass shootings in the years leading up which each started to change the laws a little bit but Port Arthur, we said enough is enough and fix it NOW. One of those was in Melbourne in Hoddle Street, when an Army wannabe decided to load up a bunch of semi autos an start picking off drivers, motor cyclists etc, then the police and ambulance services from cover after dark. He was tracked down and caught immediately after several hours of shooting and killing people. He was super proud of what he had done. The other was also in Melbourne in Queens Street where a guy went nuts and went into a building, up to the 17th floor and started shooting people before jumping out of the window. A real mental case who should never had been able to lay his hands on a gun.
18.22 million population in 1996, now our population is over 25 million. 0. 0003.5 % in 1996 compared to 0.000128% of death by gun violence now. Most are either accidents on farms or inter-gang shootings, not police shooting drivers at roadside stops, no armed robberies (I can't remember the last time I heard of a bank hold up) or a burglar shooting the people he is robbing. Maybe it's the mandatory 25 years in prison for using a firearm in the course of a crime...?
The only time I ever see a gun is on a police officer (always holstered if they draw it, there is a mountain of paperwork and they have to explain every round they fire) or an armed security guard for a money delivery truck (eg. ARMAGUARD) picking up the takings from a supermarket or refilling an ATM. I have friends who have a couple of 22s on their farm, mainly for keeping the fox numbers down, culling rabbits or putting stock out of their misery. My dad had hunted for the table in the late 30's and 40's, particularly during the war years, and would sometimes take my older siblings out rabbit hunting on a friends property with his 22 back in the 70s, but he got rid of his rifle in 1980 because he had no use for it.
The only folks I know of outside the military or SOG who have semi autos require a special license and are involved in the culling of razorbacks and wild cattle in the far north. The razorbacks (wild pigs) can have super thick skulls and need multiple shots to kill them.
I’ve got two school age girls that have lived in the US and Australia. Can I say that Australian schools do not have “active shooter drills”. AFAIK Australia has never had a school shooting. My kids come home and the worst they get is teased.
If you’re going to watch any doco on Port Arthur, brace yourself, it’s appalling and disgusting the harm that one motivated (and mentally ill) person could do to so many in less than half an hour due to firearms.
As an Australian who worked in mental health units in the US for over 1yr I can easily say the people were lovely and I really think that if the US adopted universal health care the percentage of deaths by guns would decrease. I often felt disgusted and in disbelief that many people who were seriously mentally unwell and extremely dangerous to the public and themselves were not admitted due to not having insurance.. these people were often begging for help..I remember one young man who wanted an admission but couldn’t be admitted, he had voices in his head telling him to harm others.. he left emergency with a distant relative and we told relative to make sure any weapons like guns were locked away..years later I still remember his reaction and him telling me he keeps his gun near front door and I said u need to remove gun from your house or at least lock it up and he told me he wasn’t going to lock up his guns and all that the patient needed was to go to church and embrace the lord..in that moment I’ve never been so proud to be an Australian and so glad we had a solid gun control policy..
Yes, it's not just about the guns, but the whole mental health system as well.
It really seems like the politicians don't care at all about anyone!!
Just money😡
If you want some more info about how Australia’s gun laws impact the culture as well as a more direct explanation about how the laws were implemented and the politics of the whole thing you should watch John Oliver’s 3 part series on it from when he was at the Daily Show. It’s a bit outdated now but I find it captures the spirit of the divide between Australia and America completely
As a teenager from Hobart Tasmania at that time, I remember it very well. I watched the news coverage as he was held up in the BandB, as watched it burn at end of the siege.
There's no such thing as "Gun crimes" as there's never been a single gun that's committed a crime in history! Crimes using guns, now that's a completely different thing altogether!!
Here in Australia, since Port Arthur, we have more registered firearms and more licensed shooters than ever before with NO corresponding rise in gun crime whatsoever.
The legislation we have works and works well.
(Something our anti-gun activists hate to hear)
These figures are true but do not tell the full story.
According to the University of Sydney, the percentage of Australians owning guns has decreased, and continued to decrease, every year since 1996. In particular the proportion of Australians owning guns has dropped by 75%.
Now, I ALSO think the culture of gun ownership in Australia is more responsible than that of the USA (we have less "You can't take my guns away" and more "If you own a gun you need to be responsible for using it correctly") - and I don't think there's serious beef between the majority of gun owners and non gun owners on this. But whilst the absolute numbers of guns have risen, that's in a much bigger population, and the rise in gun numbers has been lower than the rise in population.
you have to watch two videos on this. 1) john oliver on australian gun control. 2) jim jeffries stand up comedy routine on gun control
Jim Jefferies is an absolute idiot. John Oliver is even worse. Why are foreign nationals preaching to Americans? Why do they allow to be told what to do by unfunny foreign 'comedians'?
@@chrispekel5709 it's ok dear, have a coke and a smile.
@@bensara9213 lol you're probably right haha
@@bensara9213 I just can't stand it when foreigners go to tell other countries what to do. I'm an Australian and whilst I do find some of his stuff funny (his old stuff was hilarious), I cringe when he's telling Americans what to do with their society.
@@bensara9213 Jim Jefferies
Brother your kids aren't even safe at school put your quotations to that.
Nah Americans can't stand facts
Re: Queen Street shooting.(Melbourne ,circa similar time frame ).
My girl friend (at the time )best friend Cathy was at work and was hiding under her desk.She was the last victim.
The only redeeming thing about that day was the shooter died when he during a struggle “fell” out a the 18th floor window.
Uvalde was only the other day and it’s forgotten already.How corrupt does a nation have to be?
as an Australian it is hard not to think of how bad America is with your guns and gun laws over there
I mean I’m pretty sure we have/have had gangs etc in Australia- we have a whole tv series based on famous crimes in Australia called “^underbelly”
Oh yeah, that was a scary time to live through, here in Melbourne.
A lot of regional cities have gangs, Rockhampton, cairns and Townsville for example have high gang numbers
It’s worse now than it has ever been. Underbelly is nothin
Mental health issues play a role murder/suicide deaths. Any reduction in mass shootings is a good thing if you place any value on life.
Port Arthur was to Australia, what we all **thought** Columbine would be to America.
Most Australians old enough would remember that day in 1996 as a defining moment in our culture. The response by government shocked I think everyone, as I certainly NEVER would have anticipated a liberal government coming down so hard on guns as they did. The result changed our country, for the better. When *Columbine* didn't do the same for America, I was shocked... I had alwaysy considered our countries to be so similar, and so to have such similar tragic events take place, and yet such different reactions... it was - and still is - something I just can't fathom.
I gladly forgo any right to own a gun, because the result is a country I feel safe in. I am sorry that the same cannot be said for America. (By which, for the record, I mean that crime (and or the perception of crime) is sadly so much higher over there, that owning a gun seems to be synonymous with feeling safe...)
The gun deaths mostly within the criminal circles now, rather than people killing people. That’s why the WA shooting and recent police being ambushed in NSW are shocking. When crooks kill crooks, it’s an occupational hazard
My father won a gun in a raffle in Australia years later we handed that gun in for destruction. I have no regrets. : )
As an Aussie I like guns, I don't own one, but I would if I could justify the cost and had a legitimate reason to. I like that our gun laws are so strict, those that want one can go through the process and own one or more guns, I like that semi-automatic rifles are mostly banned(there are some legit reason to have one as far as I know, but it's so much harder than the US to get one), no one needs a semi-automatic/automatic rifle, not even for defence, unless you are trained and skilled you will most likely miss or hit something/someone else. The US needs to look at how guns are regulated there, it is a serious problem that can only be solved by the government, too bad they stick so strongly to the 2nd amendment(I always thought amendments could be you know amended, guess not), psychological testing is a big part that needs to be looked into more, it won't stop all gun violence but I imagine most mass shooters aren't all there mentally. Some US citizens will keep to the old trope of "it's my constitutional right to bear arms" but that was written over 100 years ago when you guys were going through a civial war, it doesn't hold up, some will say "but I'm safer with a gun in the house", sure ok but you're only safer because every other person has a gun, if that weren't true you wouldn't need a gun in the house. And my last point, I see so many US citizens saying when they hear loud bangs they immediately think it's gun fire, I can't imagine people growing up in that kind of environment where a loud bang is more likely to be gun fire than anything else.
The only people who should have automatic and semi-automatic weapons are soldiers on active duty.
We have a gun range near my work and I always think the sounds are just fireworks. Takes me a solid couple of minutes to register that it's gunfire because it's just something you would think of when you hear a loud bang anywhere else in the urban areas of Oz.
@@jessbellis9510 wrong
@@jessbellis9510 They're used extensively in Australia for aerial culling of feral animals in our national parks and other forest and urban areas including city parks. There's a growing safety issue there in that the ones in use are wearing out and cannot have new ones imported due to federal laws.
@@MrBCRC Seems a bit weird when they would get imported for the army.
Actual, murder suicide aren’t conceded a mass shooting, such as domestic disputes. Mass shooting are defined as the mass murder of strangers.
I think a couple of the biggest reasons the guns laws work in Oz is A. The requirement that if you want to purchase a gun you must be checked out first and then wait 28 days before receiving the gun. This means that most people with mental health problems or terrorist sympathies can't own a gun. There's other reasons too but I forget those. And,
B. The laws don't allow private owners to own assault weapons or self loading weapons. Those are rightly left to only being used by the army. The farmers protested this as they used to use them when they had to slaughter stock during a drought but our Prime Minister argued strongly that the safety of the whole population must come first and so the laws were passed.
If the US could bring similar laws in in every state then there would be a bit less gun violence there too. Congrats to the couple of states that have done this after a mass shooting in their state. They still have the right to bear arms, just not assault weapons or self loading weapons.
I hadn't realised Port Arthur was the biggest mass shooting by one person up to 1996! No wonder the PM fought so hard!
(Port Arthur is also the site of one of Australia's harshest penal colonies in the early 1800s which has become a tourist attraction. It's past history is part of what made this incident so awful for Australians - now there are two horrible things to be sad about when you visit there).
We still have gun crime. It's mostly gang related or suicides by people who legally own guns.
I hope you've seen John Oliver's report on US v Australian gun control. It's an excellent piece in 3 parts.
1:50 Gun violence is gun violence. It doesn't matter whether it's gang-related, or a nutter in a bank, or domestic violence. I have zero doubt that if our gun laws remained as they were, we would also have rates of violence on a per capita basis as bad as the US. We tend to follow US trends like a puppy but then go full-noise. Take our mobile phone ownership for example. New Zealand may be worth looking at with its gun laws. From my knowledge, their gun laws are/were (prior to the mass shooting in 2019) pretty easy.
We have gang violence with guns, particularly in recent times. A few weeks ago in Queensland there were two brothers and a wife who had been married to one, then the other brother...they shot dead two police officers and a neighbour before more police eventually gunned them down.
It happens, but thankfully it's rare.
The big point about that though, is that it was MASSIVE news as a 1 in 10 year event kind of story.... sure every now and then something terrible will happen, but the vast majority of the time, nothing happens and that is what matters.
That was extremely isolated, those people were psychotic and the police were there only to check on one or them's welfare! Random!!
I don't think that was "gang related" one of the brothers was a principal and the wife was a teacher, both lost there jobs due to covid vaccine mandates
That wasn't gang violence, that was unhinged conspiracy lunatics.
The big difference is that now the type of guns owned is quite different. Very few handguns, no semi-auto or automatic weapons. 95% of them are lever or bolt action rifles and non pump action shotguns. The damage you can do to a crowd with a double barrel shotgun is very different to what you can do with an AR15.
In Japan, during all of 2021 there were 10 reported cases of guns being discharged.
So! Let's all become like Japan huh? Yo! We can even guts out on Fugu fish too!
Scary thing is that I had my honeymoon at Port Arthur the previous year in April. Now there are more licenced firearms in Australia than before but mostly for sports shooting, hunting and farmers use for putting down stock. I sold my rifles, it was a great deal, we got rid of guns that we didn't need and got market value for them. Now only the owner is allowed access to the guns, and the storage facility must be inspected every year by a special police task force.
Oh God - those of us who lost loved ones in that massacre have NEVER forgotten. I was never a John Howard fan but I am absolutely grateful to him for doing this. There are many of the people who were injured in that event still battle with their injuries today. Lately there seems to be an increase in gun violence lately and it worries me as I never want anyone to go through losing someone so senselessly.
As Jim Jeffries points out:
"They're called ASSAULT rifles,
not "defence" rifles"
One person dying from a gun sure fucks up their day
5 people dying from a gun terrorises a city
One person on a rampage in the quietest part of Australia (Tasmania - Port Arthur) created the change in Australia.
The gun buyback scheme in Australia had the same adverse reactions, as it does in the US, BUT;
It was done by a Right Wing Government (Think GOP) and it was criticised by the gun lobby. and farmers HOWEVER;
Australia doesn't have a vague 2nd Amendment like the US which is mostly used to create an argument for Universal ownership.
Australia decided to go down the path of RESPONSIBLE and LIMITED Ownership. The facts then speak for themselves.
We had 3 people ( 2 cops and one civilian) killed by a 'doomsday prepper' family in Queensland a few weeks ago, it made massive headlines and expressions of outrage here in Australia. We have learned the lesson from the US about unrestricted gun ownership (particularly assault - Military - weapons).
We trust our Military and our Police here, not necessarily our Politicians, to remain non-partisan and even handed. Look at some Aussie Cop shows foe examples.
When you have as many firearms as people in a country, it's time to call quits on the arms race in a country.
We have gangs here in Aus, but they generally use knives, they still can kill people, but you have to want to commit to the act. It takes more than just a slight pull of a trigger and send dozens of bullets into a crowd of people.