Hey steve, I'm chinese and i went to the U.S. a year ago. I really like the part where u said in this video no matter how hard u try, u're not gonna sound exactly like a native speaker, u will give urself away at some point of the conversation. I feel like i can identify with a lot fo ur philosophy in language learning, During this past year, i've been trying to improve my english a lot like the ways u talked about in ur videos.
@@lichitat2001 You have to have listened to a lot and amassed a lot of reference material before you can start analyzing it. You can't recognize patterns among two things. You need lots of things to consider before you can see the pattern in them.
I think it's probably a good rule of thumb that until you're fluent, you should study the grammar just enough to be able to understand, but not necessarily enough to be able to speak perfectly. If you're learning French, say, then get _all_ the noun genders wrong! All the time! _Cette_ chat mange _un_ souris dans _le_ maison! It doesn't matter! Everyone will understand you just fine. I've spoken French since I was about 3, only moved to France when I was 10, and I got the subjunctive tense wrong up until the age of about 18. Finally one day somebody pointed out to me that I shouldn't say "j'aimerai que tu fais", it should be "j'aimerai que tu _fasses_". But because I was already fluent, I was able to just go "Oh yeah!" and it instantly clicked. Now that they pointed it out, yeah, "j'aimerai que tu fais" _did_ sound wrong, but I hadn't put my finger on exactly what. And I never made the mistake again. You're much more prepared to learn grammar rules once you're already fluent.
Excellent point you are making here Steve! I myself have been through this process a few times, of quitting after some incompetent university teacher starts out a brief language course by going through the phonetics of the language for 3 hrs. I don't get why they are so stupid as to do that! Languge learning should be done like "blitzkrieg". You move forwards as quickly as possible, overrunning the language and trying to cover as much vocabulary as possible in minimum time, and then you go on to do "mopping up" operations, learning the grammar that didn't fall into place automatically. That's the studying! :)
Steve thanks for the video. I have been struggling with Vietnamese for a couple of years. You video is really inspiring. I like what you said about enjoying it. This is important to keep in mind along the journey.
The point IS that you don't have to MEMORIZE anything, you are supposed to make yourself FAMILIAR with them, so when you delve into the good stuff, then it starts making sense! Trying to FORCE yourself to memorize everything, you will never learn the language, because you won't speak like other people. You'll sound like someone who read it from a book! You learn the basics and let the rest come naturally and keep the grammar book nearby when you get confused. It will eventually flow natural.
I can see your point. Grammar acquisition takes longer than vocabulary acquisition or general comprehension. I've been studying Russian for 5 years or so. I studied abroad at Moscow State University after studying the language for 3 years. I find an incubating stage of listening and vocabulary absorption helpful. I've listened to a lot of music in French the last couple of years. It's really helped my listening comprehension.
This all seems very natural. I mean by the time we attend school at age 5, we have a very good command of our tongue. Then comes the grammar classes and vocabulary study.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record: I completely agree. I still read grammar books, as I actually enjoy it to a degree, but it works best when I'm able to make sense of `stuff'' I've already been exposed to. Then it just clicks. あ、なるほどう！ I've discovered that my biggest barrier with learning a language is my own need to try to make sense of it in terms of my native language. I'm learning to embrace uncertainty :o)
I'm against studying, we all should just learn. ;) And I love Japan and Nihon-go. I'm currently learning it at Lingq, and I having a great time, even though I have just created just a few lingqs, and I have 0 known words and I'm not rushing to learn it, it will come naturally. :)
Forget your language. Try accept the logic of Japanese. the wa or ga etc, are like commas after the person. Me, Japanese, study. Me, Jorge, is. Me, book. It is just that ha is neutral, no, indicates possession, ni indicates to someone.
Hi Steve great Channel mate. I have always been fascinated by foreigners that speak English and why we don't know a second language, Because English is it haha. I have been learning 普通话 Mandarin Chinese casually for about 6 months. I have always been fascinated with the language, characters and the complex sounds of it... My wife is a native Chinese and her English is good not the best but very good for someone who has only been living here for 3 years in an English speaking country. Our second most spoken language is Mandarin Chinese by the way lol. I'm frustrated because she doesn't know how to teach me. So I study apps, read up on things and just confuse myself, I have learnt quite a lot though. I have finally found out about comprehensible input and the importance of listening first, I then review / translating via my voice and copy/paste somehow trying to make sense of what I have remembered. I have now made a rule: Do not speak English to me only speak/text in Chinese, It has only been 2 days and I am already surprised how many words are spinning around in my head. What are your thoughts on this approach Steve, I really don't have any intention of speaking or thinking in that language Well that's what I say now. I have a feeling that will come when I least expect it magically?
Thanks, inspirational. I watch Peppa Pig for a few days after long breaks. Knowing now about comprehensible input but also restarting with a good base knowledge of vocabulary I am understanding more! There are words I do not know of course but less. I pick up the basics heard in most Peppa Pig conversations. I hope to keep the streak alive, but more importantly I have a history of coming back after some breaks, either short or long. I'm fresh on the vocabulary and close to completing all memrise official Mandarin.
I was speaking from personal experience. I have mixed training from both school and self-study, each in varying degrees. I speak Italian, French, and Mandarin Chinese. I can read Spanish (from having studied it before), but can no longer speak it very well. I taught myself Italian lived in Italy for a couple months--it's probably my best language, if I were to choose. French and Mandarin were formally taught to me. Right now I'm actually going to a university in China, studying Chinese.
I think it is very helpful to study the sounds of a new language systematically. You should at least be able to differentiate the sounds and recognize them, although you cannot produce them at the beginning. Otherwise you may think some sounds are the same as in your mother tongue, and you do not even recognize you use the wrong ones and then it is very hard to improve the pronunciation later on. An example for Russian: you should know that the "х" sounds different than the English "h". Although you cannot produce the sound at the beginning, you should be aware youre using the wrong sound. Or you should know that ы and и are diffeent sounds, although they are hard to differentiate. Just listening to native speakers will not improve your pronunciation automatically. There are many immigrants who live in a country for 10 years or more and still have a miserable pronunciation, because they never really focused on it.
great vid! I guess the entire "issue" is about the goal. For instance, if you are new to the language and wanna just learn to converse then yeah I'm definitely with the video.Generally speaking, I think it'd be very counterproductive for someone who just started learning to focus on the small details at a stage when vocabulary is still an issue. Vocabulary+conversing first, small details like "sounding native" waaaay later.
Thats so true. Its great that Steve points out how ridiculous it is to first teach people grammar when learning a new language. You first need to get used to a language, get used to its sounds and expressions before you advance to the next step and start learning the grammar.
By "learn" the language prior to "studying" it, I think you mean "read-up" on the language to find out "the 'ins'+'outs'" to which I would have to agree 100%: THAT WAY, YOU ARE *PREPARING* YOUR MIND FOR WHAT'S UP AHEAD. Each language has its own environment (context), knowing what that is like AHEAD OF TIME will SPEED UP language acquisition. I AGREE WITH YOU, with that right approach LANGUAGE ACQUISITION NEED NOT BE DIFFICULT AT ALL which is what I BELIEVE WITH MY WHOLE HEART. But *WHAT* is THE RIGHT APPROACH? GIVEN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, I believe we are GETTING CLOSER TO THE ANSWER. May I add, I find it VERY EXCITING listening to what you have to say regarding language acquisition as you explain yourself in A VERY CLEAR, CONCISE FASHION. Again, THANKS for the discussion. - kn
Dear Steve, I learn or study English singularly for USA tv shows. I watch series then again observe then read subltitles then again watch. I can't study grammar I tried but I always forget rules. Am I do wrong?
I recognize the form of reasoning from my Russian studies. What is a fact? What is knowing a fact? A language is not a fact? We do not know a language, we get used to it, gradually. We form opinions based on a little of a lot of knowledge. We can better understand explanations if we are already familiar with the subject being explained, that is all. With languages we are best to start walking rather than worrying about a roadpmap.
I think it is good to be aware of the rules (and especially the sounds) of the language, though I agree that there is no point on focusing on grammar or memorizing every single rule until you can read in the language. Once you can read, you can stop worrying about translations and start focusing on grammar patterns. Still I would say it is handy to have grammar book nearby as a reference point. Some rules will stuck some will not, once you know the language you can learn the rest, because it will click and stuck with you.
If there were ever a video that demanded a few definitions, this is it. Reading the comments and listening to the video - not in that order - I am not sure that I have a clear idea of what you mean by “learning.” I am pretty sure, however, that studying a language means grammar. Whatever. For myself, though, I do have an idea of the first steps to take. I like to start with accumulating a stock of phrases, simple sentences, and words that I know the meaning of. I have just started using Glossika, and I find that it can fit the bill. So do the FSI courses. I have used Pimsleur, and have gotten use out of it, but your comment that there is too much English is exactly right. Another resource I like are the Nemo apps. The Nemo apps allow the user to pick a category of words and phrases to study. The English cue appears, I hear the target language version, and then the written version appear. In the end, I have a stock of phrases and words that I can say and I can understand when I hear them. Once the phrase and word stock begins to accumulate, I can profitable use LingQ. For Korean, I went through all the easy stuff that was available at the time - now there is considerably more - and then I began to import. If have songs that I like and a book that I am reading with a Korean teacher. (As it happens, I know the author, who turns out to be not a terribly good writer; but, it’s practice and makes my friend feel good.) With LingQ, I find that I go on a binge, and then just review. Anyway, to sum up, getting a phrase and word stock that I can use at will is for me learning a language. One person asked about a good textbook for learning Russian. I had studied in college, in the usually back in the 60’s of the last century. The year before I moved to the Soviet Union - you will remember the Soviet Union - I worked my way through about half of the FSI Russian. My practice was to lie down on the couch, put in a cassette, and work my way through it. At first it was slow going, but as I got used to the pronunciation and could answer fairly quickly, I slowly learned the cassette. I went on only when I could repeat the Russian automatically. I only looked at the textbook when I could not understand either what was said or what was expected of me. Eventually, I got to a point where I could learn a cassette in about ten days. Once in the Soviet Union, I acquired a girlfriend, and let the cassettes alone. (I eventually married the girlfriend.) Forgive the rambling. I hope someone finds it helpful.
Steve your a good man only want to help people great job sir, unfortunately, there are So many Judgemental people out there, you're doing an awesome job.
Do you see now? It's the same thing..... By naturally learning from sources you are interested in, the connections get made and it all starts making sense.... Like when you learned english, you didn't know subjects and predicates.... They became obvious AFTER you learned how to BASICally speak and read..... You see what I'm saying?! You have to know how it flows, THEN you delve into the hard stuff... I'm saying to not hesitate into getting into the books and movies and video games...
Hi Steve!! I ever watch your videos because you talk many good things about languages, I'm an independent learner and like you do I'm learning languages, in fact one of them is english but at the same time I'm learning other languages, I would like to talk to you one day of polyglot to polyglot because I know another kind of method to learn very quickly and it works very good to me, I think it could be interesting to you. I hope you answer soon, and if you have skype I'd like to add you. see you
I must one of the rare and weird opposites,who started purely on grammar (e.g studying word order and basic conjugations,tenses and a few other rules(think:thick grammar books with pages of examples and lengthy explanations)for a month before a slowly shifted to a more natural method of language consumption. In the beginning,i would spend hours trying to figure out word order and parsing out sentences and trying to find a suitable gramatical rule till my head literally hurts afterwards. I guess it stems from tue fact that i am what you might call a route memorizer,or someone who likes to learn something by heart and brute memorization. P.s forgot to mention,i actually am speaking about german that i have been learning(cue: mentally toturing myself) by myself since 3 months ago
Hey Steve, i've been learning French for about 4 years now and I agree with you totally about not pretending to be a native speaker. It's nice to get a Compliment On how well you speak the language but it's never a good idea to pretend to be something you're not. I'm a american and if I sound like a french men fantastic but If I sound like a american speaking french than so be it. I'm just happy that I've been blessed to be able to say and use the French that I know. Merci ! Tu es béni.
Wait... WAIT! Listen to what you're saying in this video! Do you hear what you're saying?! Grammar rules, becoming familiar with how a language works..... basics.... THIS is what I was trying to say.... You can't study a language before you learn how it works.... Can you write a computer language just by knowing the punctuation and the words that are used, or do you have to know HOW it is used?! You can't use a language if you don't know HOW to use what you know... :P
![ผัวเถื่อน - ยูริ โตเกียวมิวสิค [ OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/P08ORRVDGl8/mqdefault.jpg)
Hey steve, I'm chinese and i went to the U.S. a year ago. I really like the part where u said in this video no matter how hard u try, u're not gonna sound exactly like a native speaker, u will give urself away at some point of the conversation.
I feel like i can identify with a lot fo ur philosophy in language learning,
During this past year, i've been trying to improve my english a lot like the ways u talked about in ur videos.
"Consumption precedes Analysis" -- what I tell my music students.
Well i like to create strategies for everything
I like your quote! Can you explain a little bit more?
@@lichitat2001 You have to have listened to a lot and amassed a lot of reference material before you can start analyzing it. You can't recognize patterns among two things. You need lots of things to consider before you can see the pattern in them.
@@HGQjazz this quote is gold !!!! Thank you
Steve, I rewound a lot of things in this video so many times. I love you man =^_^=
rip
:(
I think it's probably a good rule of thumb that until you're fluent, you should study the grammar just enough to be able to understand, but not necessarily enough to be able to speak perfectly. If you're learning French, say, then get _all_ the noun genders wrong! All the time! _Cette_ chat mange _un_ souris dans _le_ maison! It doesn't matter! Everyone will understand you just fine.
I've spoken French since I was about 3, only moved to France when I was 10, and I got the subjunctive tense wrong up until the age of about 18. Finally one day somebody pointed out to me that I shouldn't say "j'aimerai que tu fais", it should be "j'aimerai que tu _fasses_". But because I was already fluent, I was able to just go "Oh yeah!" and it instantly clicked. Now that they pointed it out, yeah, "j'aimerai que tu fais" _did_ sound wrong, but I hadn't put my finger on exactly what. And I never made the mistake again. You're much more prepared to learn grammar rules once you're already fluent.
Yes it is a constant process of not noticing things till you notice them, no matter how much you study them.
Steve Kaufmann - lingosteve
Hey that not true your Chinese is perfect accent tone you sound like a Chinese person
Excellent point you are making here Steve! I myself have been through this process a few times, of quitting after some incompetent university teacher starts out a brief language course by going through the phonetics of the language for 3 hrs. I don't get why they are so stupid as to do that!
Languge learning should be done like "blitzkrieg". You move forwards as quickly as possible, overrunning the language and trying to cover as much vocabulary as possible in minimum time, and then you go on to do "mopping up" operations, learning the grammar that didn't fall into place automatically. That's the studying! :)
Linus Olsson My thoughts exactly! I like the blitzkrieg analogy.
+Linus Olsson
What do you mean by "learning the grammar that didn't fall into place automatically", please?
Steve thanks for the video. I have been struggling with Vietnamese for a couple of years. You video is really inspiring. I like what you said about enjoying it. This is important to keep in mind along the journey.
The point IS that you don't have to MEMORIZE anything, you are supposed to make yourself FAMILIAR with them, so when you delve into the good stuff, then it starts making sense! Trying to FORCE yourself to memorize everything, you will never learn the language, because you won't speak like other people. You'll sound like someone who read it from a book! You learn the basics and let the rest come naturally and keep the grammar book nearby when you get confused. It will eventually flow natural.
I can see your point. Grammar acquisition takes longer than vocabulary acquisition or general comprehension. I've been studying Russian for 5 years or so. I studied abroad at Moscow State University after studying the language for 3 years. I find an incubating stage of listening and vocabulary absorption helpful. I've listened to a lot of music in French the last couple of years. It's really helped my listening comprehension.
This all seems very natural. I mean by the time we attend school at age 5, we have a very good command of our tongue. Then comes the grammar classes and vocabulary study.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record: I completely agree. I still read grammar books, as I actually enjoy it to a degree, but it works best when I'm able to make sense of `stuff'' I've already been exposed to. Then it just clicks. あ、なるほどう！
I've discovered that my biggest barrier with learning a language is my own need to try to make sense of it in terms of my native language.
I'm learning to embrace uncertainty :o)
I'm against studying, we all should just learn. ;) And I love Japan and Nihon-go. I'm currently learning it at Lingq, and I having a great time, even though I have just created just a few lingqs, and I have 0 known words and I'm not rushing to learn it, it will come naturally. :)
Forget your language. Try accept the logic of Japanese. the wa or ga etc, are like commas after the person. Me, Japanese, study. Me, Jorge, is. Me, book. It is just that ha is neutral, no, indicates possession, ni indicates to someone.
Hi Steve great Channel mate.
I have always been fascinated by foreigners that speak English and why we don't know a second language, Because English is it haha.
I have been learning 普通话 Mandarin Chinese casually for about 6 months. I have always been fascinated with the language, characters and the complex sounds of it...
My wife is a native Chinese and her English is good not the best but very good for someone who has only been living here for 3 years in an English speaking country. Our second most spoken language is Mandarin Chinese by the way lol. I'm frustrated because she doesn't know how to teach me.
So I study apps, read up on things and just confuse myself, I have learnt quite a lot though.
I have finally found out about comprehensible input and the importance of listening first, I then review / translating via my voice and copy/paste somehow trying to make sense of what I have remembered.
I have now made a rule: Do not speak English to me only speak/text in Chinese, It has only been 2 days and I am already surprised how many words are spinning around in my head.
What are your thoughts on this approach Steve, I really don't have any intention of speaking or thinking in that language Well that's what I say now. I have a feeling that will come when I least expect it magically?
It is mutual Moses, keep up the good work. Slowly we will get the world on to natural, and enjoyable language learning, the Daoist way!
I completely agree with your views. I have been studying English for years, before I started to pay attention to particularities.
What is your nationality if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks, inspirational. I watch Peppa Pig for a few days after long breaks. Knowing now about comprehensible input but also restarting with a good base knowledge of vocabulary I am understanding more! There are words I do not know of course but less. I pick up the basics heard in most Peppa Pig conversations.
I hope to keep the streak alive, but more importantly I have a history of coming back after some breaks, either short or long. I'm fresh on the vocabulary and close to completing all memrise official Mandarin.
Great video :) Thank you very much :)
I was speaking from personal experience. I have mixed training from both school and self-study, each in varying degrees.
I speak Italian, French, and Mandarin Chinese. I can read Spanish (from having studied it before), but can no longer speak it very well.
I taught myself Italian lived in Italy for a couple months--it's probably my best language, if I were to choose. French and Mandarin were formally taught to me. Right now I'm actually going to a university in China, studying Chinese.
Jimmy Amato mind sharing what drove you to start?
Yes, if this was not the case,babies would never start talking, because they don’t no how to study. They learn from exposure.
I think it is very helpful to study the sounds of a new language systematically. You should at least be able to differentiate the sounds and recognize them, although you cannot produce them at the beginning. Otherwise you may think some sounds are the same as in your mother tongue, and you do not even recognize you use the wrong ones and then it is very hard to improve the pronunciation later on. An example for Russian: you should know that the "х" sounds different than the English "h". Although you cannot produce the sound at the beginning, you should be aware youre using the wrong sound. Or you should know that ы and и are diffeent sounds, although they are hard to differentiate. Just listening to native speakers will not improve your pronunciation automatically. There are many immigrants who live in a country for 10 years or more and still have a miserable pronunciation, because they never really focused on it.
What is your nationality? Just curious.
great vid! I guess the entire "issue" is about the goal. For instance, if you are new to the language and wanna just learn to converse then yeah I'm definitely with the video.Generally speaking, I think it'd be very counterproductive for someone who just started learning to focus on the small details at a stage when vocabulary is still an issue. Vocabulary+conversing first, small details like "sounding native" waaaay later.
Then the grammar explanations start to make sense.
I completely agree with your points in this video. I noticed this strikingly in learning/studying Japanese.
@19fas88 Thanks for the comment.
Does this man 👨 actually age still looks young in his seventies
Thats so true. Its great that Steve points out how ridiculous it is to first teach people grammar when learning a new language. You first need to get used to a language, get used to its sounds and expressions before you advance to the next step and start learning the grammar.
By "learn" the language prior to "studying" it, I think you mean "read-up" on the language to find out "the 'ins'+'outs'" to which I would have to agree 100%: THAT WAY, YOU ARE *PREPARING* YOUR MIND FOR WHAT'S UP AHEAD. Each language has its own environment (context), knowing what that is like AHEAD OF TIME will SPEED UP language acquisition. I AGREE WITH YOU, with that right approach LANGUAGE ACQUISITION NEED NOT BE DIFFICULT AT ALL which is what I BELIEVE WITH MY WHOLE HEART. But *WHAT* is THE RIGHT APPROACH? GIVEN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, I believe we are GETTING CLOSER TO THE ANSWER. May I add, I find it VERY EXCITING listening to what you have to say regarding language acquisition as you explain yourself in A VERY CLEAR, CONCISE FASHION. Again, THANKS for the discussion. - kn
beautiful music steve..real peaceful
zei ah seirasu.. they are sailors:) love these videos.
Dear Steve, I learn or study English singularly for USA tv shows. I watch series then again observe then read subltitles then again watch. I can't study grammar I tried but I always forget rules. Am I do wrong?
Matthew, where are you learning Vietnamese?
I recognize the form of reasoning from my Russian studies.
What is a fact?
What is knowing a fact?
A language is not a fact?
We do not know a language, we get used to it, gradually.
We form opinions based on a little of a lot of knowledge. We can better understand explanations if we are already familiar with the subject being explained, that is all. With languages we are best to start walking rather than worrying about a roadpmap.
I think it is good to be aware of the rules (and especially the sounds) of the language, though I agree that there is no point on focusing on grammar or memorizing every single rule until you can read in the language. Once you can read, you can stop worrying about translations and start focusing on grammar patterns. Still I would say it is handy to have grammar book nearby as a reference point. Some rules will stuck some will not, once you know the language you can learn the rest, because it will click and stuck with you.
If there were ever a video that demanded a few definitions, this is it. Reading the comments and listening to the video - not in that order - I am not sure that I have a clear idea of what you mean by “learning.” I am pretty sure, however, that studying a language means grammar. Whatever.
For myself, though, I do have an idea of the first steps to take. I like to start with accumulating a stock of phrases, simple sentences, and words that I know the meaning of. I have just started using Glossika, and I find that it can fit the bill. So do the FSI courses. I have used Pimsleur, and have gotten use out of it, but your comment that there is too much English is exactly right. Another resource I like are the Nemo apps.
The Nemo apps allow the user to pick a category of words and phrases to study. The English cue appears, I hear the target language version, and then the written version appear. In the end, I have a stock of phrases and words that I can say and I can understand when I hear them.
Once the phrase and word stock begins to accumulate, I can profitable use LingQ. For Korean, I went through all the easy stuff that was available at the time - now there is considerably more - and then I began to import. If have songs that I like and a book that I am reading with a Korean teacher. (As it happens, I know the author, who turns out to be not a terribly good writer; but, it’s practice and makes my friend feel good.)
With LingQ, I find that I go on a binge, and then just review.
Anyway, to sum up, getting a phrase and word stock that I can use at will is for me learning a language.
One person asked about a good textbook for learning Russian. I had studied in college, in the usually back in the 60’s of the last century. The year before I moved to the Soviet Union - you will remember the Soviet Union - I worked my way through about half of the FSI Russian. My practice was to lie down on the couch, put in a cassette, and work my way through it. At first it was slow going, but as I got used to the pronunciation and could answer fairly quickly, I slowly learned the cassette. I went on only when I could repeat the Russian automatically. I only looked at the textbook when I could not understand either what was said or what was expected of me. Eventually, I got to a point where I could learn a cassette in about ten days. Once in the Soviet Union, I acquired a girlfriend, and let the cassettes alone. (I eventually married the girlfriend.)
Forgive the rambling. I hope someone finds it helpful.
Steve your a good man only want to help people great job sir, unfortunately, there are So many Judgemental people out there, you're doing an awesome job.
Makes perfect sense.
By basics, I mean the natural flow and basic structure... Not the difficult things... That stuff you learn with experience and time....
Do you see now? It's the same thing..... By naturally learning from sources you are interested in, the connections get made and it all starts making sense.... Like when you learned english, you didn't know subjects and predicates.... They became obvious AFTER you learned how to BASICally speak and read..... You see what I'm saying?! You have to know how it flows, THEN you delve into the hard stuff... I'm saying to not hesitate into getting into the books and movies and video games...
I speak 2 languages fluently without ever opening a grammar book in my life now im learning my third..german.
Only got your word for it
Hi Steve!! I ever watch your videos because you talk many good things about languages, I'm an independent learner and like you do I'm learning languages, in fact one of them is english but at the same time I'm learning other languages, I would like to talk to you one day of polyglot to polyglot because I know another kind of method to learn very quickly and it works very good to me, I think it could be interesting to you. I hope you answer soon, and if you have skype I'd like to add you. see you
I like your video posts. I am an Asian Language major so I am interested in these things. These vids will help me a lot in my studies. Thank you.
So true
In other words: before you can form an opinion about a fact, you need to know that fact
Hi Taricus!! all what you said is true, but how did you know it? and how many languages do you speak?
Prvt Steve! bol'woe spasibo, eto koro4e horowwwaya idea i interesnie myisli o Language Learn. Gramatika russkogo yasika och slojno, molodec! ))
pretty sure someone is learning to play the piano in the background.
so how would you apply this to Mandarin?
Where can I get See milk Korean
Is that a piano lesson in the background?
Is there a particular book that you found is good for learning Russian?
Anna Karen Nina, bible, War and Peace
We're saying a very similar thing in two different ways! :P
You related to Clint east wood?
I must one of the rare and weird opposites,who started purely on grammar (e.g studying word order and basic conjugations,tenses and a few other rules(think:thick grammar books with pages of examples and lengthy explanations)for a month before a slowly shifted to a more natural method of language consumption. In the beginning,i would spend hours trying to figure out word order and parsing out sentences and trying to find a suitable gramatical rule till my head literally hurts afterwards. I guess it stems from tue fact that i am what you might call a route memorizer,or someone who likes to learn something by heart and brute memorization.
P.s forgot to mention,i actually am speaking about german that i have been learning(cue: mentally toturing myself) by myself since 3 months ago
You are okay. The human mind is designed to mostly backwards. But for some, working forward works better as you have experienced yourself.
I'm going to try your approach!
Very interesting thoughts :)
Hey Steve, i've been learning French for about 4 years now and I agree with you totally about not pretending to be a native speaker. It's nice to get a Compliment On how well you speak the language but it's never a good idea to pretend to be something you're not. I'm a american and if I sound like a french men fantastic but If I sound like a american speaking french than so be it. I'm just happy that I've been blessed to be able to say and use the French that I know. Merci ! Tu es béni.
Wait... WAIT! Listen to what you're saying in this video! Do you hear what you're saying?! Grammar rules, becoming familiar with how a language works..... basics.... THIS is what I was trying to say.... You can't study a language before you learn how it works.... Can you write a computer language just by knowing the punctuation and the words that are used, or do you have to know HOW it is used?! You can't use a language if you don't know HOW to use what you know... :P
C'est bon, Kaufmann. Merci. :-)