One other point on the separate pot and burner setup, vs JetBoil, in a pinch you can use the pot in a little fire if you run out of gas. In fact for my multi-day mountain trips, I carry a tiny 180g titanium fire-pit, and will cook on it if the weather is dry and the fuel is available. This frees my mind from any fuel range anxiety, and I take the smallest gas tank for my stove, offsetting that fire-pit weight.
Love the video, all of them! Have to say I'm a fan of the jetboil though. There's a lot to be said for being able to get a brew on and ready in 3 minutes. Even carry it with you while you're going. They're a total gamechanger when everybody is cold and miserable
I used the Jetboil whilst I camped (on-site) during my ML Training. It's dead good for that & post-walk mugs of tea/coffee at the car. For wild camps, I've played about a bit with kit & settled on this stove: SOTO Windmaster. It's a bit bigger in size than the MSR, but is superb. I've got most of what you have into a 750ml pot with a collapsible sea to summit mug. Not Super 'Thru hiker' light, but light enough and is practical.
Jetboils are ace for the "basecamp" type job, or more specialised stuff I reckon. Sometimes not being completely super light is the way forwards, more civilised!
I've also found Jetboils pretty useless for simmering - the flame goes out if set too low. However, I've found them great for doing a stir fry - ideal in fact as stir frying should be done at high temperatures. Buying a packet of stir fry veg, a cured meat - panchetta is great for this, a packet of noodles and a bottle of stir fry sauce (e.g. sweet Thai chilli). I take along with me a bottle of spray cooking oil and using a mess tin over the Jetboil flame. Adding the meat to the hot oil, shortly afterwards adding the veg, noodles and a good splurge of the sauce and within minutes will have a very tasty, nutritious and filling meal. Typically the portions sold by the food outlets are for two people so I keep by half of each for the following night - I've found they all keep even in hot weather plus it's not weighty to carry around in your backpack. Great vids by the way, keep them coming 👍
Using a cheaper brand pocket rocket with a basic pot found on Amazon. Suits me perfectly for my preferred choice of food. A tip I got recently was to bring a packet of biscuits for breakfast, paired with a cup of coffee it's the business!
I've got an original pocket rocket and a small AlpKit mug for the 37l rucksack weekend trips and they do the job. I've also got a Dragonfly that I'm sure has woken many a camper on sites along the A5 when cooking the breakfast bacon and eggs! In the last couple of years I've got over my dislike of Trangias and brought a modem ultralight version with hard anodised pans, it's great with small kids around being so stable. OK it takes a little longer to heat up but gets plenty hot enough and at just over a kilo (claimed weight, I've not actually put mine on the kitchen scales yet) it's not too bad when you've got 3 pans and a kettle and you can cook a proper meal for a family of 3. It lives in the boot of the car and is great for weekend picnics. Somehow it's got more soul, a gentile manner, about it than the gas rocket and ti mug combo!
Would be interested to hear a bit more about how you fuel yourself for a day or two out on the hill and any alternatives to the dehydrated meals you opt for.🙂 keep up the great videos mate
I love my MSR windburner if camping with someone else but at 512g is even heavier than your Jetboil, but my Alpkit Kraku and titanium 400ml mug come in at 136g with striker stick, perfect if using dehydrated food or for hot drinks, but can’t fit boil-in-bag in and it is just very noisy.
Snow Peak Hot Lips for the win when drinking from Ti mugs. I do like taking my jetboil though - I got the MSR Windburner first and its amazing but even heavier than Jetboil. I now favour the Jetboil Micromo which is only 370g (so gets half the weight saving you achieve by switching from your heaver Jetboil to a separate pan/stove) but still has the heat exchanger to make your gas last longer. The Micromo and Minimo also have an updated burner with a micro-regulator that means they work when cold, get more gas out of the dregs of the can and most importantly they have much more control to go down low and simmer or even fry stuff without burning it.
@@JBMountainSkills I got mine from Amazon I think - 2 for about a fiver. They arent available there at the moment and as you say seem hard to find in the UK for a reasonable price right now.
I use the BRS stove which is lighter than the Pocket Rocket but isn't super adjustable and does even less well in wind. But it is only 25g and under £20, and for boiling water is just fine
I got an oex mini stove from go out doors and a cheap pot from amazon that has heating system at the bottom like a jetboil does, and heats a litre in 3.5 minutes, cost me 21.99 all together
ive got the same alpkit mug and i found that buying the silicone charity wrist bands from ebay when can be bought for a coule of quid for ten, then stretching them around the rim acts the same as the neoprene on the jet boil
For a night or two light is definitely the way to go I would say. A wind shield on an extended trip would be an idea to try and make the gas last longer. I moved away from meths when it took 40 mins to boil water at the Bedgellert campsite one June. It was pouring with rain and about 9 degrees C. The meths just wouldn’t really evaporate. It wasn’t just me, so it was not a burner issue. Plus I love the psychological sound of a roaring stove. That bouldering spot looks ace! Which guide is it in?
I love the roar of a stove doing its thing! It's in the newish North Wales Bouldering by Ground Up, mega book, something like 4000 problems, is as thick as a bible!
Try one of those silicone charity wrist bands on the smaller cup, they're made for it! No sticky residue like with gaffer tape and you can take it off to wash it. Perfect for my 450ml cup and available in a choice of colours! Also did you include the weight of the ferrocerium rod with the jetboil? I take it all comparisons were done without gas?
That is a quality idea!! All weights were without gas, but now you've asked, I'm not sure if the striker was in there or not for the jetboil, I don't think it was...
Commenting now before I forget, I have one if the original jet boils, like yours, but my ignitor still works haha! Although I've lost the support, the lid and the heat shield thing that changes colour
Hi, with the two different sizes of Alpkit mug, do you find it an advantage to be able to fit the gas in the larger one or does it not really bother you?
I go the opposite way I find most of the time the weight of a meal cooked from scratch is definitely worth the weight. So I have 2.5L and 1.5L pots with frying pans for lids and MSR gas cooker. From that I can cook anything from porridge to nachos or backcountry pizzas. As suggested the only down side is the weight. When climbing and mountianeering this becomes more of a consideration but 99% of the time I'm just tramping and find it totally worth it.
I think the thing with me is I'm not that excited by food generally so am happy with going light and just boiling water. Nachos and backcountry pizza sound ace though!
Haha, well - I wouldn't take jetboil for weekend hike either. I do have 2 setups though - for a week long expedition in tough conditions(high altitude, wind, cold weather) I'd take my MSR windburner. I believe it's far better than jetboil in wind. It takes almost constant amount of gas and time in whatever conditions are out there and I don't have to bother with setting up some kind of wind shelter. The other setup is for better climate and shorter hikes where wasting time and gas wouldn't metter. It is titanium stove (just 25 grams and 12 euros from aliexpress :D ) with 800ml stainless steel mug from home depo, a couple of euros and 150grams (which is lighter than most titanium mugs/pots) That paired with small gas canister is nice and light :) A question though: how is your jetboil "never used" but it looks like survived a ton? cheers!
I am tempted by a Windburner, they're ace aren't they, I just wouldn't really use it. The Jetboil is pretty battered! I used to use it a lot before I was quite so worried about weight. Still keep it for the odd occasion and when I finally book a trip somewhere like Yosemite it'll come with me :)
After an epic fail of my BruKit on ML training exped (gas basically too cold as it was -4 during the night) I went searching for a remote stove capable of running with the cylinder inverted, hit on the Kovea Spider, and I can't say a bad thing about it...stable, fast to boil, light, works in all temps, and fits nicely inside the Alpkit 900ml pot. Whole set up with gas comes in at just over 500g. Have a Speedsterstove if I'm feeling the urge to run on bio-fuel...same pot, stove with simmer ring, 100ml of fuel, and windshield (doubles up as pot stand) comes in at 438g. 100ml should last a couple of days...silent, very lightweight, just a bit slower than gas obviously. Meal-wise I dehydrate my own stuff and make my own up...I know what's in it and it saves a shed load... Oh, treat yourself to some of these...speedsterstoves.co.uk/pot-rests/pot-handle-insulation.html ;-)
@@JBMountainSkills yeah it does take a bit of thought, but ultimately worth it, and not actually that much time...once you've sorted what yr doing is just a case of bulk dehydrating a bunch of stuff, shoving it into 'pour'n'store bags (life changers) and adding water...I've some great recipes and instruction docs a friend got me started with I'll happily pass on if interested...
Keep the canister in your sleeping bag overnight or wrapped in clothing in your pack during the day to keep it from freezing. Stand the canister in an inch or two of cold water as the gas needs to be above freezing to work and liquid water is above freezing. Butane is not great in cold temps, propane is better but you’ll probably find a mix of the two.
@@slippery999 oh it was in my bag! It did ignite, but was too low to be of any use...running a remote stove, with liquid feed ability, just cuts out all the crap of gas and stove type options.
@@adrianswift8955 they say experience comes just after you need it. 😆 pretty much all my kit is as a result of fun times like that on the hills. Great link btw 👍
I’m surprised no ones mentioned meth stoves yet. I’ve gone full circle. Started with jet boil then MSR now I’m onto a meth stove by speedster stoves. I’m down to 250 grams with fuel
One other point on the separate pot and burner setup, vs JetBoil, in a pinch you can use the pot in a little fire if you run out of gas. In fact for my multi-day mountain trips, I carry a tiny 180g titanium fire-pit, and will cook on it if the weather is dry and the fuel is available. This frees my mind from any fuel range anxiety, and I take the smallest gas tank for my stove, offsetting that fire-pit weight.
Love the video, all of them! Have to say I'm a fan of the jetboil though. There's a lot to be said for being able to get a brew on and ready in 3 minutes. Even carry it with you while you're going. They're a total gamechanger when everybody is cold and miserable
Yep same setup as you, I also find it lighter and less bulky than the jet type system. Great channel by the way.
Cheers!
I used the Jetboil whilst I camped (on-site) during my ML Training. It's dead good for that & post-walk mugs of tea/coffee at the car. For wild camps, I've played about a bit with kit & settled on this stove: SOTO Windmaster. It's a bit bigger in size than the MSR, but is superb. I've got most of what you have into a 750ml pot with a collapsible sea to summit mug. Not Super 'Thru hiker' light, but light enough and is practical.
Jetboils are ace for the "basecamp" type job, or more specialised stuff I reckon.
Sometimes not being completely super light is the way forwards, more civilised!
I've also found Jetboils pretty useless for simmering - the flame goes out if set too low. However, I've found them great for doing a stir fry - ideal in fact as stir frying should be done at high temperatures. Buying a packet of stir fry veg, a cured meat - panchetta is great for this, a packet of noodles and a bottle of stir fry sauce (e.g. sweet Thai chilli). I take along with me a bottle of spray cooking oil and using a mess tin over the Jetboil flame. Adding the meat to the hot oil, shortly afterwards adding the veg, noodles and a good splurge of the sauce and within minutes will have a very tasty, nutritious and filling meal. Typically the portions sold by the food outlets are for two people so I keep by half of each for the following night - I've found they all keep even in hot weather plus it's not weighty to carry around in your backpack. Great vids by the way, keep them coming 👍
Using a cheaper brand pocket rocket with a basic pot found on Amazon. Suits me perfectly for my preferred choice of food. A tip I got recently was to bring a packet of biscuits for breakfast, paired with a cup of coffee it's the business!
I'm a big fan of a pack of Oreos coming along on a camping trip!
I've got an original pocket rocket and a small AlpKit mug for the 37l rucksack weekend trips and they do the job. I've also got a Dragonfly that I'm sure has woken many a camper on sites along the A5 when cooking the breakfast bacon and eggs!
In the last couple of years I've got over my dislike of Trangias and brought a modem ultralight version with hard anodised pans, it's great with small kids around being so stable.
OK it takes a little longer to heat up but gets plenty hot enough and at just over a kilo (claimed weight, I've not actually put mine on the kitchen scales yet) it's not too bad when you've got 3 pans and a kettle and you can cook a proper meal for a family of 3.
It lives in the boot of the car and is great for weekend picnics. Somehow it's got more soul, a gentile manner, about it than the gas rocket and ti mug combo!
Can't beat the petrol stoves for the roar, sounds like a jet is taking off!
Trangias definitely have their good points :)
Would be interested to hear a bit more about how you fuel yourself for a day or two out on the hill and any alternatives to the dehydrated meals you opt for.🙂 keep up the great videos mate
Great suggestion! I'll have a think :)
I love my MSR windburner if camping with someone else but at 512g is even heavier than your Jetboil, but my Alpkit Kraku and titanium 400ml mug come in at 136g with striker stick, perfect if using dehydrated food or for hot drinks, but can’t fit boil-in-bag in and it is just very noisy.
136 is pretty light! Must admit, I love the roaring noise :)
Snow Peak Hot Lips for the win when drinking from Ti mugs. I do like taking my jetboil though - I got the MSR Windburner first and its amazing but even heavier than Jetboil. I now favour the Jetboil Micromo which is only 370g (so gets half the weight saving you achieve by switching from your heaver Jetboil to a separate pan/stove) but still has the heat exchanger to make your gas last longer. The Micromo and Minimo also have an updated burner with a micro-regulator that means they work when cold, get more gas out of the dregs of the can and most importantly they have much more control to go down low and simmer or even fry stuff without burning it.
What a genius idea! Where'd you get them from? Hard to find in the UK from a quick Google!
@@JBMountainSkills I got mine from Amazon I think - 2 for about a fiver. They arent available there at the moment and as you say seem hard to find in the UK for a reasonable price right now.
@RCCARRUBBER ordered, thanks!
I use the BRS stove which is lighter than the Pocket Rocket but isn't super adjustable and does even less well in wind. But it is only 25g and under £20, and for boiling water is just fine
All these Gucci bits of kit are a compromise somewhere!
I got an oex mini stove from go out doors and a cheap pot from amazon that has heating system at the bottom like a jetboil does, and heats a litre in 3.5 minutes, cost me 21.99 all together
Nice one 💪
ive got the same alpkit mug and i found that buying the silicone charity wrist bands from ebay when can be bought for a coule of quid for ten, then stretching them around the rim acts the same as the neoprene on the jet boil
Someone else mentioned those, absolutely genius idea! Thanks :)
JB Mountain Skills
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124016159157
I think these were the ones I got
For a night or two light is definitely the way to go I would say. A wind shield on an extended trip would be an idea to try and make the gas last longer. I moved away from meths when it took 40 mins to boil water at the Bedgellert campsite one June. It was pouring with rain and about 9 degrees C. The meths just wouldn’t really evaporate. It wasn’t just me, so it was not a burner issue. Plus I love the psychological sound of a roaring stove.
That bouldering spot looks ace! Which guide is it in?
I love the roar of a stove doing its thing! It's in the newish North Wales Bouldering by Ground Up, mega book, something like 4000 problems, is as thick as a bible!
Try one of those silicone charity wrist bands on the smaller cup, they're made for it! No sticky residue like with gaffer tape and you can take it off to wash it. Perfect for my 450ml cup and available in a choice of colours!
Also did you include the weight of the ferrocerium rod with the jetboil? I take it all comparisons were done without gas?
That is a quality idea!!
All weights were without gas, but now you've asked, I'm not sure if the striker was in there or not for the jetboil, I don't think it was...
Commenting now before I forget, I have one if the original jet boils, like yours, but my ignitor still works haha! Although I've lost the support, the lid and the heat shield thing that changes colour
You're the chosen one!!
Don't rely on it! I had the original micro rocket from MSR with a seperate ignitor, it failed...
Hi, with the two different sizes of Alpkit mug, do you find it an advantage to be able to fit the gas in the larger one or does it not really bother you?
Yes I much prefer the option of being able to fit it in the mug / pot.
what about jetboil stash,micromo or zip?
Do you always take a new gas canister when you go out? I'd be worried about a partly-used one running out.
Good question! No I try and guesstimate but I definitely er on the side of caution!
I go the opposite way I find most of the time the weight of a meal cooked from scratch is definitely worth the weight. So I have 2.5L and 1.5L pots with frying pans for lids and MSR gas cooker. From that I can cook anything from porridge to nachos or backcountry pizzas. As suggested the only down side is the weight. When climbing and mountianeering this becomes more of a consideration but 99% of the time I'm just tramping and find it totally worth it.
I think the thing with me is I'm not that excited by food generally so am happy with going light and just boiling water. Nachos and backcountry pizza sound ace though!
Is it bad that I still use a Whisperlight? 😁
Can't beat the roar of a petrol stove!!
Haha, well - I wouldn't take jetboil for weekend hike either.
I do have 2 setups though - for a week long expedition in tough conditions(high altitude, wind, cold weather) I'd take my MSR windburner. I believe it's far better than jetboil in wind.
It takes almost constant amount of gas and time in whatever conditions are out there and I don't have to bother with setting up some kind of wind shelter.
The other setup is for better climate and shorter hikes where wasting time and gas wouldn't metter. It is titanium stove (just 25 grams and 12 euros from aliexpress :D ) with 800ml stainless steel mug from home depo, a couple of euros and 150grams (which is lighter than most titanium mugs/pots) That paired with small gas canister is nice and light :)
A question though: how is your jetboil "never used" but it looks like survived a ton?
cheers!
I am tempted by a Windburner, they're ace aren't they, I just wouldn't really use it.
The Jetboil is pretty battered! I used to use it a lot before I was quite so worried about weight. Still keep it for the odd occasion and when I finally book a trip somewhere like Yosemite it'll come with me :)
After an epic fail of my BruKit on ML training exped (gas basically too cold as it was -4 during the night) I went searching for a remote stove capable of running with the cylinder inverted, hit on the Kovea Spider, and I can't say a bad thing about it...stable, fast to boil, light, works in all temps, and fits nicely inside the Alpkit 900ml pot. Whole set up with gas comes in at just over 500g. Have a Speedsterstove if I'm feeling the urge to run on bio-fuel...same pot, stove with simmer ring, 100ml of fuel, and windshield (doubles up as pot stand) comes in at 438g. 100ml should last a couple of days...silent, very lightweight, just a bit slower than gas obviously.
Meal-wise I dehydrate my own stuff and make my own up...I know what's in it and it saves a shed load...
Oh, treat yourself to some of these...speedsterstoves.co.uk/pot-rests/pot-handle-insulation.html ;-)
Been tempted by making my own dehydrated stuff, but deep down know I won’t find the time!
@@JBMountainSkills yeah it does take a bit of thought, but ultimately worth it, and not actually that much time...once you've sorted what yr doing is just a case of bulk dehydrating a bunch of stuff, shoving it into 'pour'n'store bags (life changers) and adding water...I've some great recipes and instruction docs a friend got me started with I'll happily pass on if interested...
Keep the canister in your sleeping bag overnight or wrapped in clothing in your pack during the day to keep it from freezing. Stand the canister in an inch or two of cold water as the gas needs to be above freezing to work and liquid water is above freezing. Butane is not great in cold temps, propane is better but you’ll probably find a mix of the two.
@@slippery999 oh it was in my bag! It did ignite, but was too low to be of any use...running a remote stove, with liquid feed ability, just cuts out all the crap of gas and stove type options.
@@adrianswift8955 they say experience comes just after you need it. 😆 pretty much all my kit is as a result of fun times like that on the hills. Great link btw 👍
I’m surprised no ones mentioned meth stoves yet. I’ve gone full circle. Started with jet boil then MSR now I’m onto a meth stove by speedster stoves. I’m down to 250 grams with fuel
Good shout!