Cessationism 3 (Has Prophecy Ceased?) | Daniel Kolenda: Off The Record
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- In this episode of Off The Record, Daniel Kolenda continues his series on "The Heresy of Cessatioism" asking the question in part 3: "Has the gift of prophecy ceased?"
He examines the differences between Old Testament and New Testament prophecy showing why the cessationist critique of modern prophetic ministry misses the mark.
He argues that cessationism's strict standards do not align with the nuanced understanding of prophecy presented in the New Testament. Most importantly, he challenges the idea that all prophetic activity ceased after the apostolic age, emphasizing the ongoing importance of God's guidance and revelation in the lives of believers.
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To view the other parts of this series about "The Heresy of Cessationism" visit:
Cessationism 1 (The Scriptures)
• Cessationism 2 (A Casc...
Cessationism 2 (A Cascade of Lies)
• Cessationism 2 (A Casc...
Cessationism 3 (Has Prophecy Ceased?)
• Cessationism 3 (Has Pr...
Cessationism 4 (Have Tongues Ceased?)
• Cessationism 4 (Have T...
Cessationism 5 (Gifts of Healings)
• Cessationism 5 (Gifts ...
Cessationism 6 (Evidence of Modern Miracles)
• Cessationism 6 (Eviden...
The Heresy of Cessationism 7 (Miracle Workers)
• Cessationism 7 (Miracl...
Cessationism 8 (More Calvinist Than Calvin)
• Cessationism 8 (More C...
Cessationism 9 (The Pagan Origins)
• Cessationism 9 (The Pa...
Cessationism 10 (The Godfather of Cessationism)
• Cessationism 10 (The G...
Cessationism 11 (Miracles in the Middle Ages)
• Cessationism 11 (Mirac...
Cessationism 12 (Awakening & Revival)
• Cessationism 12 (Awake...
Scriptures referenced in the text are as follows:
Deuteronomy 18 (The passage quoted by cessationists as the stadard for NT prophecy)
All of 1 Corinthians 14 (Particularly verses 29 and 31, which address the testing and order of prophecy within the church)
Numbers 11 (Refers to the passage where Moses expressed his desire that all of God's people were prophets)
Acts 10:19, 15:28, 16:7 (Various passages from the book of Acts that illustrate examples of divine guidance and direction)
Acts 2:17-18 (The prophecy of Joel about the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, quoted by Peter in Acts, which promises sons and daughters prophesying and people seeing visions)
Revelation 3:20 (NIV): "Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone HEARS my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
Isaiah 30:21 (NIV) "Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will HEAR a VOICE behind you, saying, “This is the way; walk in it.”
Romans 8:14 (NIV): "For those who are LED by the Spirit of God are the children of God."
1 Corinthians 14:5 (Paul encourages the Corinthians to prophesy)
1 Thess 5:20 (Paul commands them not to “treat prophecies with contempt”)
1 Thess 5:21 (Paul tells them to test every prophetic word)
1 Cor 14:29 (Paul exhorts them to judge one another’s prophecies)
1 Cor 14:31 (Paul encourages the Corinthians that, “you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged)
John 4:19 (When Jesus told the woman at the well about her past, she said, “Sir, I can see that you are a prophet”).
Luke 22:64 (When Jesus was blindfolded and being beaten, they mocked him saying, “Prophesy! Who hit you?”)
Acts 8:29 (the Holy Spirit told Philip to approach the Ethiopian Eunuch)
Acts 10:19 (the Holy Spirit showed Peter that three men were looking for him)
Acts 15:28 (the apostles and elders sent a message of instruction to Gentile believers, saying, “It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements…”)
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I believe God still heals. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Please pray for my miracle healing, brothers and sisters.
Wow! What confirmation the Lord is giving me through your teaching! Over the past summer, I was watching a movie where the teenage son was listening to a voice recording of his late father and pretending to speak to him through it and I felt so heartbroken for him and the Lord spoke to me and said this is what so many of my children are settling for and I never meant the Bible to be a one size fits all pre-recorded message but rather a living word that the Holy Spirit brings life to for each individual heart to personally know Me! It's like He even let me feel a twinge of His grief over it and it was beautiful to know how much God truly wants to personally speak to each and every believer through His word ❤️ I even posted about it on Instagram. Of course i have no following 😆 but it felt important to share even if not many would be reading it right now besides results belong to God and if we're not faithful with a little... 🤷🏼♀️
You're the first person I've heard speak so confirming of what He spoke to me that day. I'm sure others have as well I just haven't heard them yet but I knew God said it that day to my ❤
I love this title "The Heresy of Cessationism" This is exactly what it is- heresy!!
I have been so very blessed by this teaching! I’m a born again believer of less than 2 years and I’m thankful my church embraces the spiritual gifts. I’m part of the prophetic ministry there and I have no doubt God speaks to believers as a result. I’ve been told things about me that not even my husband knows. But God knows all and prophecy is a confirmation that He does. How important is that to those who think God doesn’t see them or care!
What saddens me the most about cessationists is many recognize present-day, demonic manifestations of spirituality. It's like their faith is in the demonic while the Holy Spirit is silent in hand cuffs.
Very true!
I've been thoroughly enjoying this series
Thank you for your honesty, Daniel! This is what it sometimes needs. People say it's rude but in reallity it's just the truth and people need to hear that. Love this series!
Interesting that there are Christians who spend their time figuring out what God won’t do, instead of what he will do. In effect, I don’t even know if I can call them believers, because everything about this shows unbelief.
Looking forward to part 3. God bless you Daniel and your ministry.
Really loving this series, it’s one of those teachings everyone needs to hear
Keep going brother. 💪 the Lord be with you. 🎉
Thank you Daniel. Great words. We need, absolutely need, the voice of the Lord!
Daniel, I enjoyed this teaching immensely. I love the way you systematically went through your arguments against cessationism. Looking forward to the rest of your podcasts on this topic.
Straight 🔥 Power!!!
Do not quench The Spirit!!!
Grounded in The Word of God!!!
This is the best I’ve ever heard the case for the continuation of spiritual gifts articulated. Thank you and God bless
This is so goood, I wish they watch this program. Jesus open their eyes of understanding🙏🏽🙏🏽
Fantastic series of videos, thank you! I'm reading Michael Brown's Authentic Fire, and am blessed by you both. For me it's as simple as reading about how all should desire to prophesy and speak in tongues in 1 Cor. 14:5, then simply backing up a few pages and reading who the book was addressed to: not only to apostles, but "to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with ALL WHO IN EVERY PLACE CALL ON THE NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, their Lord and ours" (1 Cor. 1:2). Boom. MacArthur has to perform some incredible gymnastics to get around the plain truth of Scripture.
Filled with joy - just listening. Thank you for this confirmation 🙌
You are so welcome 🙏
Great series. This episode, I think, is the best one yet.
You left out that often the big name OT prophets would prophecy across *generations* (Daniel, Isaiah, etc), and there would have been no one in their own day to judge whether what they predicted came to pass or not. Yet, cessatoinists would have you believe that they should have been stoned to death under the Deuteronomy passages discussed.
Good stuff! Keep them coming.
Excellent quote by Spurgeon. Wow!
Here is an even more excellent quote from Spurgeon sermon titled “The Paraclete” on October 6, 1872.
Dear Brothers and Sisters, honor the Spirit of God as you would honor Jesus Christ if He were present! If Jesus Christ were dwelling in your house, you would not ignore Him; you would not go about your business as if He were not there! Do not ignore the Presence of the Holy Spirit in your soul! I beseech you, do not live as if you had not heard whether there were a Holy Spirit. To Him pay your constant adorations. Reverence the august Guest who has been pleased to make your body His sacred abode. Love Him, obey Him, worship Him!
Take care never to impute the vain imaginings of your fancy to Him. I have seen the Spirit of God shamefully dishonored by persons-I hope they were insane-who have said that they have had this and that revealed to them. There has not, for some years, passed over my head a single week in which I have not been pestered with the revelations of hypocrites or maniacs. Semi-lunatics are very fond of coming with messages from the Lord to me and it may save them some trouble if I tell them once and for all that I will have none of their stupid messages. When my Lord and Master has any message to me He knows where I am and He will send it to me direct, and not by mad-caps!
Never dream that events are revealed to you by Heaven, or you may come to be like those idiots who dare impute their blatant follies to the Holy Spirit. If you feel your tongue itch to talk nonsense, trace it to the devil, not to the Spirit of God! Whatever is to be revealed by the Spirit to any of us is in the Word of God already-He adds nothing to the Bible, and never will. Let persons who have revelations of this, that, and the other, go to bed and wake up in their senses.
Thank you thank you for this sharing this topic
wow .... now this I will share on facebook
Praise God
As a supporter of CFAN Canada and to the Nations, so glad your in a lead position and function Daniel. Also the declaration of the two prophets in the old that never saw death will be amongst in the days of the New Covenant. Exciting days to be alive!
Excellent Daniel
Barbara
Looking forward!
I thank you Sir as well your teaching is founded in truth,and enlightening.
This series has been very encouraging. Thank you for taking the time to do it!
Thankyou for sharing ❤
Thank you for sharing truth 🙏🏻🕊️✝️💕
Superb work, Daniel. Really appreciated. *By the way, the first link (to segment one) in the description is incorrect; it actually goes to segment two, as does the second link provided.
i am pretty much intrigued by the fact that cessationists are claiming that God doesn't speak to us anymore! Why would they need to preach if they don't believe that God speak anymore except through the Bible? God still speaks to us in many ways!
Amen!
Love it. Thank you. You certainly do not mince words. It is appreciated.
Well done! ❤🎉🔥🔑
Looking forward. Yet, are you really going live at 4am CT? Seems early, but no worries if so.
🙂Cool that you're also here
Greetings from online- 🐑
I love this series and your example of your Bible school president. Another fundamental question to ask cessationists whether God still speaks is, "If they pray?" If they do, they fundamentally assume that He still speaks. Even apart from what they think prayer is, the Bible assumes that God speaks through prayer. Hence, the Psalms is loaded with examples; see the following small sample in Psalms 4:1; 86:6-7; 116:1; 118:21; 143:1-7. Cessationism in no way, shape, or form is a biblical doctrine because it is self-refuting and undermines the Bible itself. If one believes in cessationism, one must accept fundamental premises contradicting Scripture and redefine how God interacts with His people. This is, frighteningly, a different god and, therefore, a doctrine of demons (1 Tim. 4:1).
I love when you refer to Paul, the Apostle, as a Charismatic. I can just hear the collective "gasp" from the cessationist camp.
Praise the Lord!
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Thanks a lot respected Brother!
Praise GOD!
Blessings from Ghana!
Well said.
God bless you❤❤
Wow! First time i heard exegesis on "cessationist proof text"..
keep it up pastor!!
Prophecy went on in the NT Church and Paul never thought of it as a threat to the Canon of Scripture. For instance, God spoke to believers on their missionary journeys in Acts to direct them to the most fruitful place for ministry. One thing I notice is that when the Bible records the phrase "the Holy Ghost said" it does not identify a particular CHAPTER and VERSE of the WRITTEN scriptures.
Good teaching, I'm going to start uploading words of jnowledge in our services
I was a cessationist not until I encounter the Holy Spirit in my room.
Such a great piece, man of God. You are such a blessing to the Body of Christ. God bless you!
Please do an episode about "The closure of the canon of Scriptures". Did Jesus (and the Apostles) have an idea of the Bible (of 66 books) supposedly gagging God from speaking anymore?
Secondly, how different are Paul's apostolic claims from anyone today who can claim that they have had an encounter with the risen Lord Jesus, since Paul's testimony was just as subjective? On the same breath, whose name do you think it is that is/will be inscribed on the foundations of the New Jerusalem - Judas', Paul's or Matthias'?
(Seminary student from Kenya here in California)
Jn 16:13-14However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
Very few of Old Testament prophecies were seen full filled by them. They did not seem to feel the need to repent!?
Hey Daniel. I am enjoying the podcast so much. I would like to know and understand the different christian denominations and a bit of the church history and why there are so many denominations. Thanks. God Bless You!
While you are waiting for Damiel, allow me to offer some comments:
Jesus never came to make a whole bunch of branches (enominational) of His Church.
But the Devil comes to mess up mess up what God established through His Son.
Jesus said if a house is dvided against itself, that house will not stand.
So what does the devil do? He sekks to divide what God intedned to be unified. And he has dome this by getting some people to not believe some Scriptures and build a following on just those points. Then he also twisted scripture to the minds of some believers and so another variation of 'doctrine and become the foundation for ANOTHER 'church.
this has been multiplied countless times.
I am so glad that someone else has noticed that they have made an idol out of Scripture, just like Jesus told the Pharisees/Sadducees. They seek life from the Scriptures, rather than from Jesus Himself!
He is the same yesterday today and forever more
Saludos de Argentina .Bendiciones
Amen that’s a wrap
If prophecy has ceased then also has knowledge ceased. People don’t have any knowledge anymore. That’s why they are saying that prophecy and tongues are ceased done away with.
How can the Holy Spirit be a counselor if not through speaking to our spirit.
Following
Done
It deeply concerns me hearing Cessionest speak,their denial.
It places the work of God toward mankind in the unproven voice of a man that presumes what God can and cannot do.
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The gift of prophecy is listed in 1 Cor 12 & 14. Nowhere in those chapters says the gift of prophecy has ceased. I do not think many in the church know what this gift is used for. Agabus prophesied a famine. He also warned the Apostle Paul. Do we not need that today? If I prophesied a famine in 2 years, does that violate the word of God? NO!! This gift is also used to encourage other believers. Philip's daughters were prophetesses. This does mean they only taught children as some teach.
Please do not mess with the ministry of the Holy Spirit. There are 9 gifts of the Spirit not 6. There is NOT one verse in the NT that states these gifts will cease. The verse cessationists use in 1 Cor. 13 is taken out of context. Tongues we will cease when we receive our glorified bodies like Jesus. That is the "perfect".
Please read Mark 16. The gifts FOLLOW those that believe and preach the Gospel.
If someone does prophesy, test that prophecy. The test is does it come to pass. We do not test the prophecies of Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel. Those prophecies are guaranteed to come to pass. We believe those prophecies, not test.
Finally, those who use the gift of prophecy do NOT introduce new doctrine. The doctrines are set in the Bible. If someone prophesies, does it come to pass or does it violate the doctrines of the Bible?
It is amazing to see the leaders in churches removing verses from the New Testament like it is no big deal. When is the last time you heard a sermon on 1 Cor 12 or 14? Likely never. Sad and blasphemous. If you do hear a teaching on 1 Cor. 14, it is likely taken out of context or watered down.
God bless.
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Preachers use the Old Testament to give prophetic messages.
The main difference is the new coveanut,it is a better coveanut that contains the reality of God's gift to mankind.
The old Testament or coveanut was mainly a prophecy of the coming of Christ,far deeper than is apparent.
When it comes to the prophetic, we have to consider the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
If the Holy Spirit urges a person to speak,the Word will be proprietary with God's Word.
Generally it will be a Word for those who have oversight in the purposes of God,or a group who needs to hear a word .
Prophets can warn others in Spiritual matters about a evil that has made it way into a group.
Prophets can be told to stay silent until such time that pleases the Lord.
We can hear the voice of God,himself.
For some this could be once in a lifetime,or on different times.
God is Father,Son,and Holy Ghost, yet still God.
We can discern what part of God is speaking to us.
The auidable voice of God is unmistakable, and contains all knowledge pertaining to what He wants,or what has greatly troubled you.
Some Prophets recieve knowledge by instant revelation,others have visions.
Most Prophets will not say anything about their calling,unless someone has recieved knowledge from a Prophet and knows only God could know what they were told.
A word from God is often in question form.
While listening to this Broadcast Sir. I keeping seeing or having an open vision. Of King David sitting at the GATE. While his son is gathering people against him.
It would be a good thing to mention your reference(bibliography) so that we can read more about it.
I included as much as I could fit in the description that will be visible when it premieres👍
Revelation 11:3-12 gives a description of two chosen who are sent by God for His work during the tribulation: “I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth”.
When such a thing happen, these cessassionists would call them as false prophets for they don't fit within their doctrine. There is a possibility that these ignorant cessassionists could even be part of killing them eventually.
That's after rapture bro. Why does it matter? The deal is, does prophecy still exist?
Paul also told us how we ought to speak in tongues in church but honestly how many follow his instruction , now leaders/pastors themselves tell whole congregations,y’all pray or speak ing tongues, who actually follows his instructions for speaking in tongues in churches??
1.Corintians 13,8 / 2.Timothy 2,15 / Revelation 22,18-19 / Galatians 1,8-9 !!!
Please say something about "don't touch the anointed one"? People was called prophet as in honor because of powereeds, wich have been abused in such a big scala that surroundings start worship the leader in fear of being casted curses on. The give pastores red carpets, furnitures as a royal and obey just any stupid command they're comming with, just because of fear.
Familar spirits help them out being psycic.
Witchcraft is their tools for power.
Soul less.
How would these cessationist explain the ministry of Smith Wigglesworth. The outpouring of Azuza Street.
They explain it the same as the Pharisees towards Jesus’ ministry. Lol.
Thanks brother Daniel! I have a question. Thinking about those who prophesy and they know in their hearts it’s not from God (because they know, I’m pretty sure about that). Have they just lost the fear of God? Are they not afraid of the punishment? Because the Bible says a lot about false prophets.
Christian prophets were active in a ministry of preaching, warning, revelation, and teaching
Aune, D. E. (1991). Prophecy in Early Christianity and the Ancient Mediterranean World (p. 14). William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company.
What about king Saul and many with him prophesying.
The classic case is Num 11:26-29 where Joshua is threatened by the loss of Moses' “accreditation” by the prophetic Spirit.
Moses replies, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish all the Lord's people were prophets and that the Lord would put His Spirit on them!”
The subsequent OT prophets foresaw an ideal time when the Spirit would be bestowed broadly upon all categories- of humanity (Joel 2:2829, cf. Acts 2:17-18, 21, 39). Similarly, Jesus refused to stop those who cast out demons in his name, though not directly associated with him (Mk 9:38-40//Lk 9:49-50). No doubt this logion was recorded for the Church in response to exorcists, or perhaps those exercising spiritual gifts generally, who were not only not apostles, but not even church members! At that point the “accrediting” function of miracles becomes a little thin. Paul prays for “all the saints [Jew and Gentile]” that they might experience gifts of revelation, knowledge and power [dunamis] at the level of resurrection power that Jesus experienced (so also, 1 Cor 12:6; 14:1, 5, 24, 39; Gal 3:5, 14; Eph 5:18; Col 1:9-14, etc.). Against cessationism, then, this brief sketch shows the biblical (and divine) impulse to offer the power of the Spirit to all who would respond to it, rather than limit it to a few founders of the Christian community whose status must be enhanced.
John MacArthur asserts that he has never been called to ministry, or ever felt the presence of God.
Cessationist: Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down
Mk 7:13). NET Bible
Many people continue writing books about the lord. The book is an instruction manual we do not need another instruction manual it's for all eternity.
Old age is God's reward for godliness (Ex 20:12 [Eph 6:2-3]; Deut 30:19-20). Being buried at “a good old age and full of years” is a sign of divine favor (Gen 15:13-15; cf. Job 42:16; 1 Chron 29:28; Ps 128:5-6). lol
The cessasionists fear we Pentecostals would change the Scripture. In fact we fear they would do it. For as they continue to teach all these gifts have stopped, are they not adding to the Word of God their own nonsense? Just as Thomas Jefferson had a 'Bible' sans miracles they could eventually come up with a similar one.
I heard John MacArthur say that he does not think he EVER heard the voice of God. Isn't that pathetic?
I was just listening to your NAR video, and right at the 35 minute mark you're talking about how the Calvinists are getting so unreasonable that they're going to create an echo chamber full of just bitter people, and here we are with the cessationist push, where it turns out you were speaking propheticly and wasn't even trying to.
Some churches seem to do everything but read the Bible. They have an obsession for finding prophetic words out side the Bible. Anywhere but the Bible. Some churches like to try and convince me that if I pay $2,000 + they can teach me to prophesy. If I hint they're false prophets, well then I'm just called a Cessasionist. "Cessationist" is the new buzz word to shut down any conversation that questions.
Works both ways, bro. Such arguments are also a way to shut down continuists.
Brother Daniel deals with this issue here
This is so good!! Its just sad how heretical the teaching of secessionism is, I cannot but chuckle listening to your remarks and comments going against this illogical teaching lol.. You could have left the series with part one, that ought be enough for a person to see that we do NOT serve a God that is dead!
Biblical prophecy is the utterance of the knowledge of God.
Prophecy and tongues:
"If come speaks in a (unknown) language, let it be by two or AT THE MOST BY THREE and in turn, and also let one interpret. And if there be no interpretor, let him be silent in the assembly; and let him speak to himself and to God, And if there be two or three prophets, let them speak, and let the others discern." 1 Corinthians 14:21-
AGABUS: Did he get it wrong?
No.
Go to 2 Samuel 11. There we read the account of David's lust and adulterous activity with Bathsheba the wife of one of David'selite trooos. Bathsheba became pregnant by David. David tried to get Uriah the husband to go lie with his wife wbut he refused on principle.
David then sent Uriah to the front lines of the battle via Orders to Joab. Uriah was killed in battle.
God sent Nathan to David. And that well known prophetic utterance by Nathan was spoken - "YOU ARE THE MAN".
God charged David with killing Uriah by the sword. But the literal reality was that Uriah was killed by the Ammonites.
So why was David charged with the murder of Uriah?
1. David wanted Uriah dead. God knows the heart of all and David was more accountable than all other Israelites, beause hw as given the greater honour.
2. David ordered the death of Uriah.
This made David fully guilty of Uriah's demise.
The one who gives the orders is repsonsible for those orders being carried out.
If we go to the New Testament to Mark 6:14. John the baptist is beheaded. Herod says of Jesus - "this one is John, whom I beheaded. He has risen from the dead."
But Herod did not actually cut John's head off. It was the executioner of the court of Herod who had done it. BUT HEROD HIMSELF realised that because he had given the roders for John's death, he himself was the one who beheaded John - again herdon murdered John in his heart. That thought became an action. He was fully guilty.
Here again we see the truth that the one who gives th eorders is responible for the outcome of those orders.
With Agrabus adn his prophecy concerning Paul being bound and the Jews would give him over to the Romans. Acts 21:7-15
Paul said that he was ready not only to be bound but also to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus v13.
The phrase "in this way" is houto /houtos in Greek 3779. this phrase does allows for a similar kind of even, not necessarily an re enactment of the event. It means - 'in like manner', 'along this line'' as well as meaning exactly like this.
The main points are that Paul would be bound (aprehended) by the Jews, handed over to the Romans. - Gentiles.
These things happened to Paul. Just because the exact same details are not recorded does not mean that Agabus got it wrong. If you really believe that then youa re alleging that Agabus was lying by saing "The Holy Spirit says these things".
Agabus did not lie. Just like David did not kill Uriah with his own hands. and just because Herod did not kill John with his own hands, does not annul the fact that both David and Heron were guilty of murder.
God never makes a mistake. It is we who think we have it right when we don't fulkly understand. Agabus did not miss the mark in the proiphecy.
Peace to all those in Jesus Christ.
Brother Daniel but God is the word they are the same
No they are not the same. We don’t worship the Bible. That would be an idol. We worship Jesus. The word made flesh. The words of the Bible reveal the REAL word. Jesus Christ.
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I appreciate your passion for the non-cessationist view but please be cautious when labeling anything heresy. That term is exclusively reserved for someone who has stepped outside of orthodoxy concerning essentials. Spiritual gifts don’t fall into that category.
Could it be that the cessationist has a problem with the ecstatic way the saints of today manifest the gifts?
...the Corinthians’ understanding (op Prophecy) seems to reflect the Greek ecstatic model: those who practised according to it were employed in the mystery cults and their activities were described … by terms like mainomai, mantis, enthousiasmos, etc., terms which are not used of New Testament prophets.
Aune, D. E. (1991). Prophecy in Early Christianity and the Ancient Mediterranean World (p. 12). William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company.
Look. The cessationists have a problem with God himself. It is a belief that technically God is alive, But nobody better act like it.
If you want to change your name to Frank it is ok with me.
I'm a christian who believe that the gifts of the spirit continues today, including prophecy. The gifts are given by the Holy Spirit who is God. So if a person prophecy something that is not true, they are obviously not hearing from God and is therefore deceiving people.Just think of what this kind of deception can do new and vulnerable believers who may hang into their every word.
I agree with most of your teaching but I think on this issue you are trying to excuse false prophets instead of admitting they are telling lies in the name of God.
I recalled a non- Christian family who had one member who was diagnosed with a terminal illness coming to our church and asked for prayer. One member who thought they were hearing from God prophesied " you shall not die but live and declare the word of the Lord"
The sick person died shortly afterwards. Sadly that family never came back to church.
False prophecy can cause a lot of grief, so should never be excused.
The apostle John was the last prophet and Jesus showed him what will happen in the end when he wrote the book of Revelation. We have all the prophesy we need in Gods Word. The spirit of prophesy is the testimony of Jesus. The end is written. What else is everyone looking for?Today, most people in church want their ears tickled and they want to seek out a “prophet” that has words of encouragement and a cold reading. Don’t get me wrong it’s nice to be encouraged but don’t speak for God if He doesn’t say anything. Instead read His Word. A message for today’s “prophets”: a broken clock is correct 2 times each day.
If people hear Satan's voice when they say they heard a voice tell them to kill a person they just killed, yet people can't hear God's voice?
Yes I do prefer to be tickled as apposed to punched in the face. That’s why I love Jesus. Much overused saying. The gospel is called the good news. And it’s ok to have your ears tickled by it. Yes. The gospel does feel good. That’s why people come to it. That’s why people leave Satan. Because it doesn’t feel good.
@@kciwner - I’d much rather hear the truth
There are no governing or the office of the apostle todey. I am not a cessationist. There is a term that the AOG uses to describe missionaries are sent ones. It is a descriptor not an office. Read the scriptures from ACTS on and there was no provison made for continuation of apostles. Paul and the apostles sent up an elder/pastor and overseer(bishop system) Even Kenneth Hagin said that the Apostle/prophet for each church system is off the side of the ditch.I know that you called the NAR a comspiracy theory well perhaps Apostlic alignments or networks would be more correct. Do you think that Bethel and the REvival networks pushing or pumping out apostles and prophets at big bucks is scriptural? No. All the apostles were chosen by God, the Gifts of the Spirit are distributed by the will of God not through impartation. I disagree with many points of Cessationists and whether you like it or not they are our brothers and sisters and many love God as much as you do. The use of the term "The heresy of Cessationsim is antagonistic and causes a us vs them boxing match. Let you light shine and men will be attracted to full gospel people.
Cessationist TH-camrs are just as antagonistic, if not more so.
@@paulc7190 perhaps, I am not a cessationist and I would agree that many youtuber cessationists are antagonistic also. I would have to all the dumb false encounters, angel worship and made up stories by the hyper Charismatic weirdos are rightly pointed out by these individuals. The charismatic church has refused to correct or speak against people like Kat Kerr, Ian Carroll, Ivan Roman, Bob Jones, Jonathan Welton, Robin Bullock, and many others and are open game. IF they supply the material that these youtubers run on.
This guy confuses prophecy with word of knowledge. Big mistake.
What is the difference
@@Heckle174 Gods Word differentiates between them. So they are different.
8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
@@coin6470 Word of knowledge- hidden truths.
Prophecy - future truths.
If He did mix this up, does it invalidate the argument?
Or is that merely something he is wrong with?
... like his usage of modern versions.
@@Heckle174 it certainly does
@coin6470 How exactly?
The scriptures remain. Therefore, cessationism fails... is non existent.
If we have to use your validation technique, that makes you 'KJVO', which I'm quite certain you are not, since moden versions make Jesus Christ a liar amongst loads of other errors, rejections/deletions/additions etc.
Furthermore, if you make a single doctrinal error, that means that nothing you ever utter is valid. Your reasoning cannot be trusted whatsoever.
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The only way to reproof one's position is with scripture as it is THE standard of absolute truth. And yes, I mean by the KJV (1611/1769) as it is our only inerrant source for all instructions in righteousness.
Grudem,replying by reference to the Greeks is a giant Strawman
It is amazing how you eloquently justified your beliefs to compromise and disobey God’s will. You included verses that would support your views and purposely left out truth contrary to your stance. Then you attack those who would disagree with as crazy or paranoid Christians who have not grown in God’s Word. You will be held accountable for your deception by God.
Are you able to be specific? Your claim may be valid, but unless you demonstrate soecific verses that were wrongly used or left out, it would appear you are making a claim without any genuine substance. If there is substance to what you say, then to make the claim and not bring the specifics, allow any deception that is done in the video to stand, and your silence makes you more culpable than Daniel.
🤕🩹Ceased? Well.. don't know of any dept. that so often getting shot at so much, if no togetherness with the rest of the church for cover, prophesy will at the end cease..
Sorry brother . Still not sold , it just isn't there , the reality of it just isn't there.
What biblical texts do you have to prove otherwise?
Liar. Hypocrite.
Not only has the evidence been provided throughout the series, to stand in opposition needs reproof by which all cessationist points/arguments have been refuted.
To say the reality of it just isn't there, means that you have been completely deceived to the point you can't pick up a bible for verification, and live a life, I dare say, of unbelief since your works have provided evidence of fruits of evil spirits. (Complete lack of the Holy Spirit)
@@timtownsend8945 yeah, let him/her please let us know