One of the reasons that the last 3 Trivium albums are universally liked - as Matt puts it - is that Alex Bent’s drumming is so freaking good. He’s the drummer that Trivium has needed since Travis left.
The last metalcore album by A7X was "Waking The Fallen" (2003), they definitely isn't a metalcore band. BFMV made 2 metalcore albuns, "The Poison" and "Scream,aim and fire" , after that maybe "Venom" has some metalcore vibes. Trivium did "Ember to inferno" and "Ascendency" sounding like metalcore. KSE is metalcore. I agree with your list , but like The Big 4 of "Modern" Metal .
I know they started out doing Metallica covers in the early days but does anyone else get hetfield vibes from his speaking voice? Totally agree. If the music thing stops working he either has a podcast/ radio voice or a job doing novel voiceovers. I can listen to these two legends all day.
This convo was soooooo natural and smooth. It really felt like you guys were at a bar and just catching up. You are getting better and better every episode my man. Keep it up 🤘
@@centralia83 As I Lay Dying fuckyes! Dude I totally forgot about them for some dumb reason 🤦♂️🤘Parkway Drive puts on a live show like no other but to be honest I got into them super late so that's the only reason why I left them off my list.
Matt Heafy is a really good interviewee. I think a lot of that comes from his comfort on the mic from fronting the band and also a big part from having done his Twitch stream for years now. Just absolute confidence and no awkwardness.
Fantastic interview. Matt Heafy and Trivium released one of their best albums. I listen to 'In The Court Of The Dragon' a few times a day since it's release and it gets better and better with each listen.
that court of the dragon is so good its probably one of the best albums out this year and one of the best trivium albums. from their production to the lyrics matts voice guitar ,drums all of it front to back so amazing start to finish
Great show. I'm a huge fan of both bands. So it was great to see these two talk. If you aren't watching Matt on Twitch. give it a try. He always puts on a great show.
That's pretty awesome how Heafy was there at the early avenged shows as a fan and for him to say their first 2 albums were his life back then. Ultimate compliment and pretty badass man
Love the new album! Lil 4 idea. Trivium, Avenged Sevenfold, Lamb of God, Mastodon...? but Unearth though and Shadows Fall...fft...Fun Fact; I was watching the Metallica Cliff 'Em All dvd and the show from the Four Horsemen was in Germany on Paulo's birthday. Love you too Johnny. You guys are two of my bass heroes of our generation of metal. I'm not mental or anything.
Awesome interview! Matt it's a incredible musician and a person so down to earth...and I love the fact he's doing brazilian JJ, eat feijoada and drank some of caipirinha! That's sick. Jhonny, brazilian fans are NUTS! haha and come back to brazil soon as possible guys.
What is always amazing to me is as I dig deeper into music and the histories of my favorite bands is how much they all influenced each other. All the stories of Nikki Sixx hanging with Slash, Izzy, Duff, and Steve Adler before G&R made it big, making fun of those guys from San Fran (who turned out to be Metallica) because they didn't fit in with the L.A. scene, or hearing how Good Charlotte helped A7X, or how Matt H. and Jake Pitts of Black Veil Brides saying how A7X was there inspiration is truly amazing.
Great interview guys. Can I suggest a split album between Avenged and Trivium with you guys covering each others songs? And if you do a big 3 of metalcore - it’s got to be Avenged Sevenfold, Trivium and Killswitch Engage. Love both Avenged and Trivium - you guys have matured so much in your sound and songwriting. Amazing to hear Matt talk about seeing Avenged live during the waking the fallen cycle - that’s how I discovered them as well. I was happy to hear guitar solos and proper heavy metal in a new band when I heard avenged sevenfold for the first time - after the whole Nu metal era of shunning guitars. You guys were all pioneers and it’s awesome to see you guys as friends now.
Such a rad dude. So freakin smart too. The way he broke down the Twitch thing. I'm like you Johnny old school lol I'm 40. But anyways killer conversation as always. 🤘😎👍
I'm a huge A7X fan ! My second favorite band is SUM 41. Criminally underated band ! they are so talented ! They are very Metallica inspired with punk herritage. so they would in the top 4 for me
Easily their best album. Shogun was great and I know thats everyones favorite but ITCOTD (long ass album title) is absolutely incredible and leagues ahead of Shogun.
it's crazy cause i remember the big change in sound when you guys released city of evil and was just like ooooooo fuck! and then trivium came out with crusade and i thought to myself that they got that inspiration from you guys. even bullet from that time changed their sound from hand of blood to the poison. it was a great time for metal back then leading to now with still great music of all of you guys.
Big 4 for me would be A7X, TRIVIUM, BFMV AND ATREYU. I mean it makes sense too because they all came up together around the same time and are really good friends with one another. That tour would be sick and unforgettable! I remember back 2012 I made a fake tour poster of the big 4. It had all the bands I listed. I remember taste of chaos 08… was the best time!
Id love to see Mike Shinoda on here, the two bands haven’t had much of a public friendship but I’ve seen them play once and Shadows and Syn came out during the Chester tribute so itd be cool to hear more about that show
At minute 13:50, I would kill to see this “Big 4” in Winnipeg Manitoba👌🏿 Avenged Sevenfold, Trivium, Bullet for my Valentine and Breaking Benjamin👌🏿 when the 3 came couple years ago I went to go see and I’d love to see you guys again
You definitely should do a Big 4 of the 2000s. Avenged Sevenfold Trivium Slipknot Killswitch Engage That would probably be the best show of all time. Everyone do 1:45 setlists and rotate headliners every tour stop. Would absolutely love to see Trivium headline a tour stop like that.
Slipknot is part of the 90’s generation not the 2000’s. Switch them with bullet for my valentine then it makes sense. Slipknot, korn, tool, and SOAD is the big 4 that came out of the 90’s
13:53 I think there's no need for a 4th band. Let's keep it big three, wherein each frontman's name happens to be Matthew. This not a bug, it's a feature. Also, having a fourth band on tour means less live music from Trivium, Ax7, and Bullet For My Valentine. 2025 is kind of a perfect time to launch this mega tour as Ascendancy, City of Evil, and The Poison all turn 20 that year. It was indeed these records that have put all thee bands on the map of modern heavy metal.
On the topic of the modern big 4, I'd say it's Trivium, Avenged Sevenfold and as for the other two, I know Bullet For My Valentine was said but I think Killswitch Engage and Parkway Drive would fit in better, each band has similarities but unique sounds which I think would complement each other very well
@@andysixxlett2632 six months later… I’ve come to disagree with myself haha, I’d class what I mention there as the Big 4 of Metalcore now I don’t even think there can be a big 4 of Metal in general in this day and age because there’s so much variety nowadays that picking 4 bands won’t do the genre justice like it did back in 80s / 90s
This is an old video, but the tour they’r suggesting still hasn’t happened yet, right? So, with regards to that, how wasn’t Lamb of God brought up? They may have formed 5 years before Trivium, but they were a different genre with a different name. Lamb of God started in ‘99, same as Trivium. Matt even mentions Randy in the video. Killswitch could be good, too.
We ABSOLUTELY need a current big 4 show. Here are my picks: • Trivium • Avenged Sevenfold • Lamb of God • Slipknot With special guests: • Any Given Day • Bullet For My Valentine • Volbeat I would have included Children of Bodom if it were possible. I LOVE METAL!!! 🤘🏻😈🤘🏻
Big 4 of metalcore has been talked about a lot the past month. And it’s said the big 4 of metalcore are killswitch engage, trivium, as I lay dying, and parkway drive
Dude I've had that modern big 4 thought before, it's dope that it got brought up here. My modern day big 4 would be avenged sevenfold, trivium, bullet, and I forget the last band. It would be a sick tour though
Trivium, avenged sevenfold, killswitch, bullet for my valentine, all that remains, as I lay dying. That would be the line up but would the line up. It would be the big six though. That would be the way to do it.
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We need the triple Matt Tour. M. Shadows of A7X, Matt Heafy of Trivium and Matt Tuck of Bullet.
Triple Matt Deluxe
Hell no that would be horrible. I loved seeing avenged get booed out of Ozzfest. Shadows is horrible, and the whole band is so poppy.
Best tour ever 🤘🏻
@@Under-Kaoz Yeah, The Stage is such a poppy album...
Give me a fucking break. Avenged is dope but people just can't seem to grasp that.
Don't forget Matt Belamey of Muse just to make it a really weird concert xD
One of the reasons that the last 3 Trivium albums are universally liked - as Matt puts it - is that Alex Bent’s drumming is so freaking good. He’s the drummer that Trivium has needed since Travis left.
The Big 4 of Metalcore is definitely A7X, BFMV, KSE and Trivium
The last metalcore album by A7X was "Waking The Fallen" (2003), they definitely isn't a metalcore band.
BFMV made 2 metalcore albuns, "The Poison" and "Scream,aim and fire" , after that maybe "Venom" has some metalcore vibes.
Trivium did "Ember to inferno" and "Ascendency" sounding like metalcore.
KSE is metalcore.
I agree with your list , but like The Big 4 of "Modern" Metal .
Swap BFMV for ATR!
who the hell is bfmv and Kse?
@@Chaos46992 Bullet For My Valentine and Killswitch Engage
@@tylerrhoton9848 you mean Atari Teenage Riot?
This is a dream come true.. Im a die hard A7X and Trivium fan. O my godddd
Likewise bro 🤘🏽🤘🏽
Same here 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Same!🤘🏼🤘🏼
🤘
Same here!
This channel is underrated. So surprised this doesn't get millions of views.
It's kinda nice flying under the radar though but I get what you mean 😎👍
for real. its such a damn good show
Fr just looked at the videos most don’t even reach 2k
Give it time
It’s cuz he’s the bass player 😂
God Matt has one hell of a soothing voice. I want him to read me some bedtime stories.
I know they started out doing Metallica covers in the early days but does anyone else get hetfield vibes from his speaking voice? Totally agree. If the music thing stops working he either has a podcast/ radio voice or a job doing novel voiceovers. I can listen to these two legends all day.
@@TheHandofChiron Yep, like a younger James Hetfield lol
Avenged, Trivium, Bullet, and Slipknot for me
Add Atreyu to that list and it’s solid
Slipknot wouldn't have been the same, you put slipknot with guys like Korn and Linkin Park, the 4th band should be Killswitch I think
@@Th3brandon Disturbed maybe?
Absolutely me either
Avenged Sevenfold, Trivium, Bullet, and Avatar would be so sickkkkk!!! For a tour. Please make that happen
Dream!
This convo was soooooo natural and smooth. It really felt like you guys were at a bar and just catching up. You are getting better and better every episode my man. Keep it up 🤘
Avenged , Trivium , Bullet ,an Killswitch was my Big Modern 4 incase you were taking votes 🗳 🤘😉
That’s what I would say for modern metal. But the big 4 of metalcore are as I lay dying, killswitch engage, trivium, and parkway drive
@@centralia83 As I Lay Dying fuckyes! Dude I totally forgot about them for some dumb reason 🤦♂️🤘Parkway Drive puts on a live show like no other but to be honest I got into them super late so that's the only reason why I left them off my list.
Matt Heafy is a really good interviewee. I think a lot of that comes from his comfort on the mic from fronting the band and also a big part from having done his Twitch stream for years now. Just absolute confidence and no awkwardness.
Dude this is the dream team here. All I want is a A7X/Trivium tour!
Fantastic interview. Matt Heafy and Trivium released one of their best albums. I listen to 'In The Court Of The Dragon' a few times a day since it's release and it gets better and better with each listen.
Holy $%#@ Matt, that new Trivium album is SO DAMN GOOD!!!!
great episode yall, lets see A7X & Trivium team up/tour!
*A7X
@@bryantbarboza4149 oops! good catch, ty
Best episode so far! Glad to finally see Heafy joining DWJ! :)
Big 4 tour, Trivium, Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet For My Valentine and Killswitch Engage. It's gotta happen now
Just a freaking beast of a new Album! I love it!
This was so freaking cool dude!! Thanks for doing these Johnny!
First time I watch one of these in a while. Love both these bands so much.
Also, Johnny’s drinking a big wave 🤟🏼🤟🏼
Back then, the soundtrack of my life was : Avenged Sevenfold, Trivium, Atreyu, Bullet for my Valentine. Love you guys !
Trivium, A7X, Bullet, and As I Lay Dying tour!
Great interview subject - looking forward to this one.
One of the best DWJ can’t wait to see them play together again
This is so awesome I would love to see you guys on tour my 2 favorite bands by Far
Thanks a whole munch for another great episode, Johnny 👑💎👑😇 and Matt Heafy is awesome 💜💯
I love the vibes. Old friends touching base
Johnny is the MAN!!
that court of the dragon is so good its probably one of the best albums out this year and one of the best trivium albums. from their production to the lyrics matts voice guitar ,drums all of it front to back so amazing start to finish
Ascendancy is still in my top 10 metal albums. Bangers from beginning to end. Very catchy riffs and cleans.
Really diggin this. A cool, natural mix of all topics, professional Metal musicians, friends and dads basically like to talk about.
Omigosh all my favorite bands in one show!!!!
Great show. I'm a huge fan of both bands. So it was great to see these two talk. If you aren't watching Matt on Twitch. give it a try. He always puts on a great show.
That's pretty awesome how Heafy was there at the early avenged shows as a fan and for him to say their first 2 albums were his life back then. Ultimate compliment and pretty badass man
Johnny is right, the dust is settling on Apple Music for ITCOTD album 💿
10 records thru 18 years is absolutely incredible for this day and age. Trivium continues to be legendary
Love the new album! Lil 4 idea. Trivium, Avenged Sevenfold, Lamb of God, Mastodon...? but Unearth though and Shadows Fall...fft...Fun Fact; I was watching the Metallica Cliff 'Em All dvd and the show from the Four Horsemen was in Germany on Paulo's birthday. Love you too Johnny. You guys are two of my bass heroes of our generation of metal. I'm not mental or anything.
5 of my favorite bands. Just haven’t gotten very into Mastadon. Still heard some of their songs. Another great band
@@Minecol5 strong recommend my man. I grew up listening to A7X so my love is deep but Mastodon is my definite favorite band. Extremely diverse
Thanks for the entertainment
love this podcast
avenged sevenfold, trivium, and bullet for my valentine definitely i believe were the next big thing for a while
2 of my heroes - My 2 favorite bands
Awesome interview!
Matt it's a incredible musician and a person so down to earth...and I love the fact he's doing brazilian JJ, eat feijoada and drank some of caipirinha! That's sick.
Jhonny, brazilian fans are NUTS! haha and come back to brazil soon as possible guys.
What is always amazing to me is as I dig deeper into music and the histories of my favorite bands is how much they all influenced each other. All the stories of Nikki Sixx hanging with Slash, Izzy, Duff, and Steve Adler before G&R made it big, making fun of those guys from San Fran (who turned out to be Metallica) because they didn't fit in with the L.A. scene, or hearing how Good Charlotte helped A7X, or how Matt H. and Jake Pitts of Black Veil Brides saying how A7X was there inspiration is truly amazing.
Yeah, metal is a big family.
Late to watching this but this was a great interview between two very talented individuals, I love this.
Just realized A7X, Trivium, and Bullet are fronted by Matt Sanders, Matt Heafy, and Matt Tuck. Omg
Great interview guys. Can I suggest a split album between Avenged and Trivium with you guys covering each others songs?
And if you do a big 3 of metalcore - it’s got to be Avenged Sevenfold, Trivium and Killswitch Engage.
Love both Avenged and Trivium - you guys have matured so much in your sound and songwriting. Amazing to hear Matt talk about seeing Avenged live during the waking the fallen cycle - that’s how I discovered them as well. I was happy to hear guitar solos and proper heavy metal in a new band when I heard avenged sevenfold for the first time - after the whole Nu metal era of shunning guitars.
You guys were all pioneers and it’s awesome to see you guys as friends now.
I'd pay to see them swap covers of Save Me and Shogun.
A7X and Trivium should record songs for Doom with the Matt’s featuring for each other that’d be fucking insane
Yeah, that’d be fantastic
A Big Four of this timeline including A7X, Trivium and Bullet will be childhood dream. All my Fav Bands
Would love hear Matt Heafy's version of a Doom soundtrack. My favorite metal band doing music for my favorite fps, let's go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Modern big 4 A7X , Trivium , Bullet, and Killswitch !! That would be one epic show
My two favorite people in one place
Goooooood one
I'm really jealous listening to Matt talk about how he saw Waking the Fallen A7x and was at the front.
A7X, Trivium, BFMV and Killswitch. BOOK IT!!!
Such a rad dude. So freakin smart too. The way he broke down the Twitch thing. I'm like you Johnny old school lol I'm 40. But anyways killer conversation as always. 🤘😎👍
awesome one johnny. #keepthebeard
I'm a huge A7X fan ! My second favorite band is SUM 41. Criminally underated band ! they are so talented ! They are very Metallica inspired with punk herritage. so they would in the top 4 for me
Dont need a 4th band for the lineup, that tour itself is the Matt's of metal tour for sure
Best Trivium album so far. For me this masterpiece is close to the level of the legendary Master of Puppets
Dude same
Man, that's a bold statement. It's a great album but not on that level.
Absolutely up there with master of puppets.
Easily their best album. Shogun was great and I know thats everyones favorite but ITCOTD (long ass album title) is absolutely incredible and leagues ahead of Shogun.
@@alexlopez2995 idk man
A7X, Trivium, BFMV and Disturbed would be an awesome tour
it's crazy cause i remember the big change in sound when you guys released city of evil and was just like ooooooo fuck! and then trivium came out with crusade and i thought to myself that they got that inspiration from you guys. even bullet from that time changed their sound from hand of blood to the poison. it was a great time for metal back then leading to now with still great music of all of you guys.
Big 4 for me would be A7X, TRIVIUM, BFMV AND ATREYU. I mean it makes sense too because they all came up together around the same time and are really good friends with one another. That tour would be sick and unforgettable! I remember back 2012 I made a fake tour poster of the big 4. It had all the bands I listed. I remember taste of chaos 08… was the best time!
Id love to see Mike Shinoda on here, the two bands haven’t had much of a public friendship but I’ve seen them play once and Shadows and Syn came out during the Chester tribute so itd be cool to hear more about that show
You guys plus bullet and killswitch engage 🤘🤘🤘🤘
How cool would it be if Avenged Sevenfold and Trivium did a collaboration album? I, for one, would be down with that in a heartbeat! 🤘🏻
At minute 13:50, I would kill to see this “Big 4” in Winnipeg Manitoba👌🏿
Avenged Sevenfold, Trivium, Bullet for my Valentine and Breaking Benjamin👌🏿 when the 3 came couple years ago I went to go see and I’d love to see you guys again
Trivium, A7X, Bullet and As I Lay Dying is my dream
Caraca, o Matt pronuncia português MUITO bem! Que legal!
It would be awesome if you guys did a modern big four with Trivium avenged killswitch and bullet there it is you guys set it up and let's rock. 🤘
I'd love to see Trivium and A7X at the same festival
You definitely should do a Big 4 of the 2000s.
Avenged Sevenfold
Trivium
Slipknot
Killswitch Engage
That would probably be the best show of all time. Everyone do 1:45 setlists and rotate headliners every tour stop. Would absolutely love to see Trivium headline a tour stop like that.
That would be fucking awesome
@@andreschavez9671 I know, we just need Johnny and Matt to get to work on it. Would be the tour of a decade for metal.
Slipknot is part of the 90’s generation not the 2000’s. Switch them with bullet for my valentine then it makes sense. Slipknot, korn, tool, and SOAD is the big 4 that came out of the 90’s
@@centralia83 Wasn't their first album in 1999? I don't know, I would definitely say they belong because they had a huge run in early 2000s.
@@centralia83 Also Slipknot would just flat out represent better IMO than Bullet.
A7X, Trivium, BFMV & KSE (with both Jesse & Howard) would be dope!
13:53 I think there's no need for a 4th band. Let's keep it big three, wherein each frontman's name happens to be Matthew. This not a bug, it's a feature.
Also, having a fourth band on tour means less live music from Trivium, Ax7, and Bullet For My Valentine.
2025 is kind of a perfect time to launch this mega tour as Ascendancy, City of Evil, and The Poison all turn 20 that year. It was indeed these records that have put all thee bands on the map of modern heavy metal.
Please please come to idaho if u tour
Avenged Sevenfold, Trivium, Atreyu, Bullet for my Valentine... I'd pay good money to see that concert.
On the topic of the modern big 4, I'd say it's Trivium, Avenged Sevenfold and as for the other two, I know Bullet For My Valentine was said but I think Killswitch Engage and Parkway Drive would fit in better, each band has similarities but unique sounds which I think would complement each other very well
Mmmmmm….. big 4 of modern thrash or like big 4 of metalcore or just modern metal in general? That’s kinda a bold statement to make
@@andysixxlett2632 six months later… I’ve come to disagree with myself haha, I’d class what I mention there as the Big 4 of Metalcore now
I don’t even think there can be a big 4 of Metal in general in this day and age because there’s so much variety nowadays that picking 4 bands won’t do the genre justice like it did back in 80s / 90s
Great interview, and Matt is just cool as shit.
A7X, Trivium, Bullet and KSE
Even chuck disturbed as the 4th
Are those “Mothers” beer taps in the background?
Would love to see spencer charnas from ice nine kills make an appearance on the podcast would be cool to see since your both horror fans!
Hey guess what
@@Mothfood3 my nightmares came true
Give this channel some love guys we need it to grow!!
This is an old video, but the tour they’r suggesting still hasn’t happened yet, right? So, with regards to that, how wasn’t Lamb of God brought up? They may have formed 5 years before Trivium, but they were a different genre with a different name. Lamb of God started in ‘99, same as Trivium. Matt even mentions Randy in the video. Killswitch could be good, too.
I like the Crusade
We ABSOLUTELY need a current big 4 show. Here are my picks:
• Trivium
• Avenged Sevenfold
• Lamb of God
• Slipknot
With special guests:
• Any Given Day
• Bullet For My Valentine
• Volbeat
I would have included Children of Bodom if it were possible.
I LOVE METAL!!!
🤘🏻😈🤘🏻
Dude if A7X and Trivium went on tour I would absolutely shit myself
Big 4 of metalcore has been talked about a lot the past month. And it’s said the big 4 of metalcore are killswitch engage, trivium, as I lay dying, and parkway drive
A7X, Trivium, BFMV, and Dragonforce.
Mendeed! Get them to reunite!
A7X, Trivium, Bullet and Killswitch. boom. theres your big 4 for of 2000's metal folks, make it happen!
A7X, Trivium, Bullet, As I Lay Dying (or KsE)
Big four to me would be Trivium, Avenged, Bullet, and Gojira for sure 🤘🏼
That would be absolutely awesome
A7X, Trivium, Bullet for My Valentine, Killswitch Engage would be pretty sick
avenged,trivium,bullet,gojira is my big 4
Only thing I miss is actually DRINKS/BEER with johnny :) :) :)
Dude I've had that modern big 4 thought before, it's dope that it got brought up here. My modern day big 4 would be avenged sevenfold, trivium, bullet, and I forget the last band. It would be a sick tour though
May be system of a down
Gojira?
@@PootiPenguin yessssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!
What about As I Lay Dying ?
@@agengnugroho6075 gojira is a better fit for the bill to be honest with you there.
the fourth band gotta be KILLSWITCH ENGAGE!! Big Four Trivium, A7x, BFMV, KSE..LETS GO!
Avenged Sevenfold, Trivium, Bullet for my Valentine, Lamb of God.
A7X Trivium Bullet and Lamb of god IMO would my Big 4
the Big Four could be AX7 Trivium KSE and BFMV, but maybe replacing BFMV with While she sleeps or parkway drive?
A7X, Trivium, Bullet, Architects
Trivium, avenged sevenfold, killswitch, bullet for my valentine, all that remains, as I lay dying. That would be the line up but would the line up. It would be the big six though. That would be the way to do it.