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I'm so glad that you're making price a metric that's graded. I'm sick and tired of the price uptrend creep where manufacturers are justifying huge hikes just because Apple sets the highest bar. Great job
I have the Yoga Pro 9i 16 - Core i9, RTX2070 and 64GB RAM and couldn't be happier with it. Best laptop I've ever owned (and I've owned Macs). It's really fast, loads everything really fast due to the quick ram and SSD. The screen is pure joy, it honestly compares to the screen you can find on a Mac but this one is brighter. I never go above 50% of brightness. The 165Hz refresh rate gives a really nice premium touch and colours are really vivid and accurate (it's one of the most accurate screens on the market if I'm not wrong). The speakers are also really good, comparable to the ones on the Mac. The ones ones on the Mac have a bit more of definition on the low end and slightly louder but not a huge difference (depending on the song I like the Lenovo's more as an audio engineer). I was reluctant about buying a laptop with a different keyboard as I was used to the one on the Mac but once you adapt to the one on the Lenovo, it's even better. The feel is premium and key travel is perfect. Every time I switch back to the Mac I notice the difference and I don't like the Mac anymore (as a programmer/software engineer as well). I barely use the trackpad but I have to say it's quite good too, really big and accurate but not as good as the one you can find on a Mac. The click feels a bit cheap and unlike the mac, you can't click anywhere on the trackpad's surface, just on the bottom. Fans are incredibly quiet, again, this laptop outstands as the quietest laptop I've ever owned, even over the Mac (on big workloads). Battery is decent if you use battery saving mode and low screen brightness but if you use it on a big work load it's not very good. Mac is the king in that aspect. Look and feel wise, I tried to look for an alternative to the Mac (again), and this Lenovo laptop is clean, simple and feels premium. Surface doesn't attract fingerprints (unlike the Mac). The build quality is really close to the Macbooks' but obviously Apple makes the most premium products and nothing from a different company has reached that level yet. What I don't like a lot is the branding on this Lenovo. There's a "Lenovo" logo on the right side of the laptop, under the right speaker and then, a "Yoga" logo behind the screen, that takes 1/4 of the space. I would remove these to make it look even more premium and cleaner but I understand the branding is something important for the company. i9-13905H/RTX2070 processing is just outstanding for any kind of work. Webcam is as good as the Mac's or even better. I've had had 0 problems with this Laptop so far (bought it like 8 months ago), but like all products, it has some cons: Battery life as mentioned before, it's not really good compared to 2024 laptops. Charger is Lenovo's proprietary if you want to charge at max speed but you can always use the type-c port. Charger is quite big and sturdy. Lenovo's branding (as mentioned before) on the front and back of the laptop. The Mac I owned previously was the MacBook Pro 16 (2019).
I just picked up the 2023 model and I'm loving it too! However, I've heard it can be picky about portable chargers and cables. Would you mind sharing what works for you?
@@jacksonatkins I recently purchased UGREEN Nexode Pro 3-Port GaN Charger 100W, which is really compact and feels premium. Had 0 problems with it. Keep in mind that you need a cable that supports 100W as well. Charging is not that fast as using the provided Lenovo charger (which is 175W) but it's way more portable and compact and uses the USB-C standard, so it's a win for me. I keep the original Lenovo charger at home in case I need to do something that requires a lot of energy, like gaming or using programs that require the RTX graphics card.
You are uneducated that you don't know TH-cam is not a live, but majorly an on-demand application , means when you what, and what you you want, you will get that at your demand time.
I think the Pro 9i 16 is an excellent desktop replacement, but if I were in the market for a Windows laptop I would opt for the 14 version. It has the better specs that you cited, but it would also be better for travel.
I was eyeing the pro 9i 14 but ended up picking up the legion slim 7i gen 8 instead. After a month with it, I can say that it's the best windows laptop for all users today!
I’m thinking about getting one but I might wait to see if the price is going down during the Black Friday. What do you use yours for on a daily basis?? And how does it hold up to it?
@franciscopinheiro6491 I was using 11th generation hp spectre 13.5. Now it's the legion slim 7i (i9 4070). It's great! Not heavy enough to make it inconvenient to carry around (the power brick is what's annoying so I ordered the slim usbc brick for carrying in my backpack). The screen and keyboard are amaziiiiing. I haven't gamed on it even once yet, just work and productivity. I get 4 hours of heavy use before having to plug it in which is decent enough
@aniketmodi6346 yeah I saw a reddit post where this person complained about the hinge after constantly using the corner for opening and closing. I'm careful to always use the center, move it slow and only when needed
Josh...I have to say you are my favourite reviewer. Jarod is close behind you but he focuses to much on benchmaks and not enugh on real life user experience. Your mother should be proud!
Apple truly made an amazing laptop. Extremely powerful and efficient machine that is also very well built and silent. You can't really want more from a portable laptop to be honest. It also has a great potential for gaming but we definitely won't see that in the near future. Apple has the hardware it is just the ARM and Metal support that is lacking. The price is very high but these machines are so good and reliable that even the older generations are amazing.
Price plays the most important role for 80% of the people almost. As a student or medium level job holder the lenovo is the must choice because it's half the price of macbook. Obviously I will miss the bettery but honestly even in public transport there are charging ports available + 3/4 hours without charge is enough in 95% of the time. It's really an important factor to consider price, some yourubers really thought that people exchange laptop every now and then like them.
@kevinsuryapranata Battery is pretty bad. I usually get 2-3 hours for my use cases (programming). Maybe you can squeeze out 4 hours if you are doing light tasks or using linux. Do not get this laptop if battery life is important to you! However, if you can live with poor battery, the laptop is awesome!
@@torsteinws thanks brother, appreciate your feedback on this, defo battery is important for my case, your insight is really crucial here. Have a great day brother.
Excellent review! (I arrived here via your "Legion Slim 7i Review: My Favorite Laptop in 2023?" review). I question if the Lenovo Slim Pro 9i 16 (or Yoga Pro 9i 16 in Europe) deserves an extra star when one looks at the "Brightness, Contrast and White Point At Different Brightness Settings" tables you display for a few milliseconds around the 1 minute 45 second mark. Here one sees that the MacBook Pro 16 contrast diminishes with brighness from 9230:1 at 100% to 940:1 at 25% whereas the Lenovo contrast remains constant from 2710:1 at 100% to 2720:1 at 25%. Wow! A factor 10 drop in the MacBook compared to no drop in the Lenovo. As most users would never work at 100% brightness levels this may mean that the contrast of both panels is roughly equivalent at some reduced brightness setting. But I'm curious if there is an explanation why or how the Lenovo manages to maintain constant contrast over the whole brightness range.
I’ve always wondered how accurate the battery percentages are. Could it potentially be more accurate if you let the battery drain completely? Just a thought. Great video by the way! As someone who really prefers a laptop around the 16” range, this was really interesting, although I’m not looking for a new laptop
it won't change that much tbh. In real world, the ones that last the longest after 4 hours tend to last the longest. Once we onboard more team members we may add full battery run downs. As you can imagine to test 50+ laptops like we do, a full battery drain test takes a very long time :)
Lenovo is killing it. They have killer options at almost every price point and more importantly very few bad options as long as you don’t look at the super budget stuff. The IdeaPad 5 on the budget side is a solid option. IdeaPad Pro for midrange. Slim Pro for high end. Legion 5 for budget gamers. Legion 7 for high end gaming. And don’t forget about ThinkPad… I feel like in every price category they’re competitive. Maybe not best in class, but if have $1000-$2000 to spend on a laptop and pick a Lenovo in this price range that has the appropriate specs you need for your workflow it’s really hard to make a bad choice, maybe not the best choice, definitely not a bad choice. Maybe I’m just a Lenovo shill…
i don't think you are a shill, you are absolutely right in this comment. lenovo has been that guy to compare to macbook. they've really improved over time. windows and the immense power needed for these processors will always be an issue when it comes to battery life. macbook's battery life is actually insane. the only way you get even close on windows is with a low powered laptop. the fact that they are able to do this with a powerhouse is insane
I strongly disagree, they have a sham aftersales service - read up on Lenovo I think you will be surprised. Design flaws make it to manufacturing, warranty is geared to fob off the end users.
@@FloundersMindthots I've personally owned multiple Lenovo laptops and usually do not even need after sales services bc the laptops run fine. The one computer I did need a repair for it was very easy and they gave me no trouble even with just the standard free 1yr warranty. I'm not saying those other reports arent true, but its pretty common for bad experiences to be shouted at the hilltops while adequate or even good experiences go unreported.
I would like this one with 99.9Wh battery and that super AMD Zen 4 Ryzen 7 7840U CPU. That would be ideal for me. Big nice screen and laptop would work long time on battery. Current Slim Pro 9i 16 battery life is appalling. Six hours vs 24 hours on MacBook, that is four times more for Mac. So it should be one star vs four stars in this category. ;-) Of course if you do not care about battery life then this is really an alternative to MB16. I have Slim 7 Pro which is nice and silent but the battery life is nothing to write home about. Battery goes down pretty fast once unplugged. I mostly work on big monitor with power delivery but still I am disturbed that I cannot move freely with the laptop because of the poor battery life.
@@oartmans Yeah, somehow everybody put more powerful cpu to larger size laptops. Even the Framework 16" does not have possibility to setup it with 7840U-
@@JanSuchomel I don't understand the moves either. It also doesn't ask too much from the Lenovo production process to offer a 7840 16" variant as well in the same housings.
Josh, just recently started to prep to buy my new laptop, your videos have been a fantastic reference point, I do have 1 suggestion for you, if i may. I have noticed across videos when you are comparing sound for laptops you will often play a sound test, talk about it then play the next test, however it would be beneficial to the listener to have the audio play right after one another. I would absolutely love to see a clip before the ratings with both laptops side by side, same song, same time, alternating audio between the devices. Keep up the great work!
Undoubtedly, the MacBook Pro is a more balanced laptop. But I can't swallow the arrogance that apple shows on it's product strategies, very step upgrade pricing, no future upgradability and no third party repair possibility. Feels more like renting a product from Apple at a very high cost.
Hey @JustJoshTech. Instead buying a MBP 16, I bought the Asus zen book 14x for windows porpuses and a MBA to browser web, and etc... Thanks Josh for your excellent work that makes me understand my necessities to buy the best tools for the money! Thanks again!
If only one could natively install Windows 11 on a Macbook Air 2023 to combine the macbook's silence and efficiency with Windows versatility and software compatibility...
Let's wait until Qualcomm brings us the new laptop Snapdragons in the summer of 2024. I just hope that the pricing is reasonable and the software support is good...
Great videos, i love it specially the part where you talk about 'cool to touch' and programing experience. Could you make a comparison between slim pro 9 vs legion slim 7 . I want light laptop to be easy to travel with, and good for programing and in the same time i could play games on the side, the only thing that prevents me from getting a macbook is that i want to use same laptop for programing and gaming
Good job. Interesting about the Lenovo's ports. Lack of HDMI 2.1 and the slower SD card is a blunder, because otherwise I'd much rather have at least one USB A than the Thunderbolt USB Cs. I'm of the opinion that Apple Silicon Macbooks are pretty much always superior when looking at the whole polished package, but there are a lot of things you just can't do on Mac that you can on a Windows device, and that's really the deciding factor. If a Mac works for your use case, it'll be the best... but it has to work for your use case. The battery life and ability to actually function as a portable device are unrivaled.
Seems like a decent MBP alternative. Still have not even heard the fans on the my MBP (14), don't think they every turn on. Been in meetings plugged in to screens, running many apps and it's STILL dead silent and just bearly warm. Rendering long sequences in After Effects (15 minutes +) also leaves the fans off. Maybe with higher room temperature the fans would go on, but don't really understand how Apple made this possible.
I have bought a slim pro 9i 16. Its a great laptop but the fan noise and the battery life are the two major issues with the laptop. If you look for manufacturer refurbished one which will cost you $1099. And at this price I can give up those two issues.
After watching many reviews and comparisons, the results may be different when a windows laptop vs MacBook, but there are 2 things that never change, the MacBook speaker and trackpad always win 😂…..sooo usually I skip this part and going to next part in the video hahaha
@@bobbobson6290 i agree with you, i more often finding my self using mouse and pen tablet, but many friends of mind is somekind of trackpad people hahaha
For the displays I'd just like to add that the miniLED of the macbook (at least M1 generation) has terrible pixel response time resulting in very obvious motion blur/ghosting to the point were I can easily make it out just scrolling through a webpage or watching a video. It feels a bit like submerging the display under water in terms of ghosting, whenever movement occurs. Although I seldom think about it after using the device for two years (overall happy customer), it does make the every day user experience much more sluggish, as well as render use cases such as gaming significantly less enjoyable. I'm still in love with the display though, as I very much value it's potent combination of excellent brightness and popping colors, good contrast with slight to minimum levels of bloom, high resolution and stunning viewing angels. The glossy finish (although allowing all the above things) is on a side note a bit hard to keep clean from dust.
Yeah macbook pro displays have a pixel response time of over 20ms, but the amount of discoloration that happens during those switching times is very well controlled so it just appears as natural motion blur. Its definitely not as good as something under 5ms and it makes the 120hz look less like 120hz, but for content creation its perfectly fine. Gaming not so much
@@tjl2836 I mean it's no problem, and in my opinion a good trade-off, but it's very far below any display I've ever seen. I legit thought I was getting pupil-swim using the device lol
Windows laptop makers are nothing if not predictable. Year after year, they intentionally cripple their almost-there products with "wise" cost-cutting decisions like this port situation, the un-optimized battery life, and soldered memory in a 16 inch machine... I think windows users looking for a mac alternative must have the biggest blue balls in the computing world. Every year, some model is aaalmost there, and then - the usual disappointment hits.
good video. as a developer, i find the numpad very annoying on laptops. so for the 16 inch, i went for the Dell Inspiron 16 Plus with RTX 4060. great for productivity and gaming on the side. my only gripes are slightly annoying fan sounds that you don't have any manual control over.
I ordered the Yogi 9i 2024 about 4 days ago and it was finally available :) when I placed the order I had a $100 discount code from Lenevo that discounted the total price by $100, I was happy to get that. The only thing was after placing the order it said my delivery date would be May 28-30. That is a long wait for a laptop I've wanted since seeing Josh's review but today I got an email saying it was on it's way and I should get it tomorrow.. What a great surprise and I can't wait to get it !!!!! wondering if others have got theirs yet and what you think about it so far?? I got a 32GB Ram 1 TB storage, 3.2K (3200 x 2000), Mini-LED, Glare, Touch, Win 11 Pro. Thanks again Josh for your review and advice to wait for this laptop to come out if I was in no hurry!!!
i’m getting mine tmr as well. What made you decide to go for this over a macbook. i’m doing some serious overthinking on returning it and getting a macbook.
Josh, your videos are awsome, and it is for that reason I have a recommendation (and a respectful request) that you checkout Linux laptops. I am 99% sure you already have done this before, but I feel like you only did one or two videos (and brands), so I would like to respectfully request that Linux laptops always be in your eyes from now on, as I feel there are some great ones out there that more people need to know about. I think your channel is perfect for this as you don't just focus on the mainstream well known laptops, rather you review more. Also, if you choose to review Linux laptop, maybe make a full comparison with great Windows laptops. Most importantly, I would like to recommend Tuxedo laptops, specifically their InfinityBook Pro lineup. Thank you and have a great day :)
Hi, I know I'm late to the party on this, but I just picked up a 2023 Slim (Yoga) Pro 9i on clearance and I am looking for a portable charger for it. I don't see the links to the ones you recommend, but it looks like a Ugreen? I was hoping for a compact 65 W charger, but I'll get 100W if necessary. Also curious what cables you're using, as I've read the 9i can be picky about those as well. Thanks for the great videos!
I've been a fan of Lenovo's Slim line but was recently checking out the P1 Gen 6 which seemed surprisingly good on most fronts. Would be curious to hear your thoughts on the 16" P1 and how it compares to the Slim Pro featured in this video.
Hi, I would like to ask which laptop you recommend for AutoCAD, photoshop and sometimes Skechup ? Is that Lenovo yoga pro good enough? MacBook Pro m2 or m3 can be same good? Thank You
16in model is inferior than 14in, aside from lacking of MUX switch, The MiniLED panel local dimming functions doesn't work in SDR mode which the 14" doesn't suffer from this limitation.
I'm not a laptop nerd by any means, but after many years of being spoiled by using the ThinkPad series laptop at work as work laptops, I cannot use any other keyboard anymore. I now own ThinkPad and think books only, just for the premium keyboard experience! Anytjing else including Mac's, which my wife uses, feels plasticy and the key travel is just "wrong"
I have some concerns regarding using the price as metric. Take this video for example: the MBP scored better results for almost all the points but then suddenly a worst result for the price. The question is: the better score received justify the price or not? If yes, why shall a product receive a worst vote for it?
It's to tell you that the macbook pro is obviously better but it's more expensive and people don't like that. The money is justified for those that want it but the other laptop is more or less same for less cash(and obviously people don't like spending lots of money, it's a hard economy nowadays)
dude, lenovo is so much better. you cant play games on the mac, you can pay tripple AAA games on the lenovo. and the 4070 version is available as well. no way those minor design details gets macbook a better score. value is 1 star for macbook and 5 star for lenovo
I have the M2 Max. IMO when you factor in price, a 32/1TB MBP is double the cost when you include sales tax in my state, the Levovo is by far a superior purchase.
For vacations in the provinces where brownouts are common (sometimes would last 4-5hrs), it will be greater to have a laptop with better batteries. This is why I changed to MBP. My gaming laptop can hardly last 3hrs specially when running multiple servers locally (software development). Downside, I cannot run my favorite windows games on my MBP. If it runs, its a lot slower than it runs on windows.
I bought the Lenovo Yoga Pro 9i (32GB RAM, NVIDIA 4060, Ultra 9) after watching this video and others, but unfortunately, I’m returning it ☹️. The performance for loading 3GB datasets is actually worse than my 2021 Dell XPS 15. There are also several frustrating issues: Windows Explorer crashes every time I step away for 10 minutes, the fan ramps up for even basic multitasking, it’s buggy when connecting to monitors, battery life is atrocious although I expected that one going in and overall, it is just worse than my old Dell XPS. Have no choice but to give the macbook a try and spend the extra dollars. Let’s see how that goes!
Josh, slow down! Your speed of presentation has gone off the charts! - and your graphics are nearly instantaneous. They are not on the screen for nearly enough time to comprehend. And please accept this in the spirit with which it is intended: I am a real fan of yours.
You are a legend :) I'm trying to do my best by everyone. The oeverwhelming feedback is that current pacing is good. I'm launching a website early next month where the reviews will be posted as articles, so hopefully that should help. I'll keep my eye open if I see more reports of yours re speed of presentation.
good afternoon. I watched your review very clearly, keep up the good work. I can’t choose between Legion 7gen 7 r7 6800h rx 6850m xt(140w) vs Legion 5 pro core i7 13700hx and rtx 4060. What should I choose if I do graphic design photoshop and 4k video editing. Will there be a problem with 8vram in the future and with an explanation. Thank you
Crazy that they manage to keep intel relatively cool and quiet in this lenovo laptop. Too bad the memory on this one is soldered too. Would be a very good laptop with an efficient AMD chip and upgradeable RAM
You give the mac book pro 5 of 5 stars despite of the notch? That point was about dispkay and not software. I think you should give half stars also to avoid those problems.
Do you think you should maybe weight the different categories on a scale (say 0-10) for how important they are? They multiply each category by its weight before summing to give the final score? Just an idea but great video regardless.
I don't know how you can compare these machines without considering OS. For me it's the way macOS works coupled with the ecosystem of all my Apple products. The people who buy macs are buying them because of that as well. I know you're looking at it primarily from a hardware point of view so I get it! Great stuff nonetheless.
I bought mine for CAD programs, that is where the specs of a PC are more relevant than the OS of a mac! I have an iPad Pro M2 and iPhone 13 Pro Max. Wish they could run the same programs as Windows or id have a MacBook, not a Lenovo i9
One thing VERY important for me is using USB-C for charging. I would love to see a comparison of performance and charging time between "Full charger", "USB-C" and "Battery" .
I was going to get Lenovo Slim Pro 9i. The only deal breaker was the horrendous battery life. I had to compromise on screen quality and overheating as I bought Dell XPS 15 with better battery life and almost same performance.
I've got the Lenovo Yoga and want to charge it over the Thunderbolt Port with a higher Wattage than 100 Watt. The customer service said that my maxed out version of the Yoga is compatible with a 135 Watt and a 170 Watt charger over the Thunderbolt Port, but I'm still not sure. Because I want to base my charger purchase on this I wanted to ask you, if you knew the compatability for this port.
For pricing... The Lenovo should get a 5 and Mac 1... Why? Cause the Lenovo speced out doesn't meet Mac starting price.. But still gives the Mac a run for the money.
I have never understood the comparison between wind and apple laptops. People buy one or another because of OS that is it. If you want to play, buy windows(but I hope with Sonoma gaming will be also on macs). If you want smooth workspace and good look buy mac
I don't like Mac being closed compared to Windows being somehow semi open source and Linux fully open source, half the price almost. The battery life is a bummer and Mac is greatly superior in this but it's a Mac.... Will probably go with the Yoga or wait for more efficient Yoga probably new gen if it's even coming in 2024, only Ideapads were announced.
I think you should compare Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 pro on ryzen 7840s (or Yoga air 14s - the chinese version) with MacBook pro 14. It would be a really interesting comparison.
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I'm so glad that you're making price a metric that's graded. I'm sick and tired of the price uptrend creep where manufacturers are justifying huge hikes just because Apple sets the highest bar. Great job
Agreed but pricing is the Most important category for most consumers. Having an equally weighted with scoring for peripheral ports is a joke.
I have the Yoga Pro 9i 16 - Core i9, RTX2070 and 64GB RAM and couldn't be happier with it. Best laptop I've ever owned (and I've owned Macs). It's really fast, loads everything really fast due to the quick ram and SSD. The screen is pure joy, it honestly compares to the screen you can find on a Mac but this one is brighter. I never go above 50% of brightness. The 165Hz refresh rate gives a really nice premium touch and colours are really vivid and accurate (it's one of the most accurate screens on the market if I'm not wrong). The speakers are also really good, comparable to the ones on the Mac. The ones ones on the Mac have a bit more of definition on the low end and slightly louder but not a huge difference (depending on the song I like the Lenovo's more as an audio engineer). I was reluctant about buying a laptop with a different keyboard as I was used to the one on the Mac but once you adapt to the one on the Lenovo, it's even better. The feel is premium and key travel is perfect. Every time I switch back to the Mac I notice the difference and I don't like the Mac anymore (as a programmer/software engineer as well). I barely use the trackpad but I have to say it's quite good too, really big and accurate but not as good as the one you can find on a Mac. The click feels a bit cheap and unlike the mac, you can't click anywhere on the trackpad's surface, just on the bottom. Fans are incredibly quiet, again, this laptop outstands as the quietest laptop I've ever owned, even over the Mac (on big workloads). Battery is decent if you use battery saving mode and low screen brightness but if you use it on a big work load it's not very good. Mac is the king in that aspect. Look and feel wise, I tried to look for an alternative to the Mac (again), and this Lenovo laptop is clean, simple and feels premium. Surface doesn't attract fingerprints (unlike the Mac). The build quality is really close to the Macbooks' but obviously Apple makes the most premium products and nothing from a different company has reached that level yet. What I don't like a lot is the branding on this Lenovo. There's a "Lenovo" logo on the right side of the laptop, under the right speaker and then, a "Yoga" logo behind the screen, that takes 1/4 of the space. I would remove these to make it look even more premium and cleaner but I understand the branding is something important for the company. i9-13905H/RTX2070 processing is just outstanding for any kind of work. Webcam is as good as the Mac's or even better.
I've had had 0 problems with this Laptop so far (bought it like 8 months ago), but like all products, it has some cons:
Battery life as mentioned before, it's not really good compared to 2024 laptops. Charger is Lenovo's proprietary if you want to charge at max speed but you can always use the type-c port. Charger is quite big and sturdy. Lenovo's branding (as mentioned before) on the front and back of the laptop.
The Mac I owned previously was the MacBook Pro 16 (2019).
I just picked up the 2023 model and I'm loving it too! However, I've heard it can be picky about portable chargers and cables. Would you mind sharing what works for you?
@@jacksonatkins I recently purchased UGREEN Nexode Pro 3-Port GaN Charger 100W, which is really compact and feels premium. Had 0 problems with it. Keep in mind that you need a cable that supports 100W as well. Charging is not that fast as using the provided Lenovo charger (which is 175W) but it's way more portable and compact and uses the USB-C standard, so it's a win for me. I keep the original Lenovo charger at home in case I need to do something that requires a lot of energy, like gaming or using programs that require the RTX graphics card.
@@yokytolakaca7485 thanks!
What about the weight? I heard it's 5lbs which some people say is heavy and I've only experienced 4lbs.
halo brother, can I ask how long the batery last for normal usage? thanks in advance and have a great day!
The addition of the price metric is a really good idea, you are always improving your content ❤
That's what excites me about this game. Constantly trying to deliver better videos for you
I don’t know I feel like this is the best video you’ve done in a long, long time. Congrats and keep up the good work your mom will be proud.
Just bought the Slim Pro 9i.. hoping for the best 🤞🏽🤞🏽. Thanks for the info
how did you find it? and what is the purpose of this choice? video editing?
The timing of your videos and my breaks are just perfect
You are uneducated that you don't know TH-cam is not a live, but majorly an on-demand application , means when you what, and what you you want, you will get that at your demand time.
@@truearmy1953I don't think you are educated either, as your English and language is way off.
Thank you. I am glad I could provide something interesting to watch on your breaks
@@truearmy1953 somebody's been taking bitchy pills
I think the Pro 9i 16 is an excellent desktop replacement, but if I were in the market for a Windows laptop I would opt for the 14 version. It has the better specs that you cited, but it would also be better for travel.
Good thing both exist!
In case anyone is wondering, while the 16 inch Slim Pro 9i has no MUX switch, the 14.5 inch does as far as I know, which makes it hugely effective.
I was eyeing the pro 9i 14 but ended up picking up the legion slim 7i gen 8 instead. After a month with it, I can say that it's the best windows laptop for all users today!
I’m thinking about getting one but I might wait to see if the price is going down during the Black Friday. What do you use yours for on a daily basis?? And how does it hold up to it?
hey i just ordered the slim7 gen8 today, glad you like it. Got the AMD version though ;)
Please handle your laptop with care as I've owned of it and it will certainly have issues with hinge in future.
@franciscopinheiro6491 I was using 11th generation hp spectre 13.5. Now it's the legion slim 7i (i9 4070). It's great! Not heavy enough to make it inconvenient to carry around (the power brick is what's annoying so I ordered the slim usbc brick for carrying in my backpack). The screen and keyboard are amaziiiiing. I haven't gamed on it even once yet, just work and productivity. I get 4 hours of heavy use before having to plug it in which is decent enough
@aniketmodi6346 yeah I saw a reddit post where this person complained about the hinge after constantly using the corner for opening and closing. I'm careful to always use the center, move it slow and only when needed
Amazing comparison. Very detailed and informative. Thank you Josh😊
Josh...I have to say you are my favourite reviewer. Jarod is close behind you but he focuses to much on benchmaks and not enugh on real life user experience. Your mother should be proud!
Loving the new uploads
How come I haven't found this channel earlier? This is top tier level stuff.
Thanks for the review. Macbook Pro 16's screen is notorious to have very slow response times, which should be mentioned.
Apple truly made an amazing laptop. Extremely powerful and efficient machine that is also very well built and silent. You can't really want more from a portable laptop to be honest. It also has a great potential for gaming but we definitely won't see that in the near future. Apple has the hardware it is just the ARM and Metal support that is lacking. The price is very high but these machines are so good and reliable that even the older generations are amazing.
Price plays the most important role for 80% of the people almost. As a student or medium level job holder the lenovo is the must choice because it's half the price of macbook. Obviously I will miss the bettery but honestly even in public transport there are charging ports available + 3/4 hours without charge is enough in 95% of the time.
It's really an important factor to consider price, some yourubers really thought that people exchange laptop every now and then like them.
Fantastic video, and perfect timing! I'm now convinced to buy the Lenovo 16''. Thank you!
have you bought it? can I ask how the battery life? is it last 5 hours for normal usage?
@kevinsuryapranata Battery is pretty bad. I usually get 2-3 hours for my use cases (programming). Maybe you can squeeze out 4 hours if you are doing light tasks or using linux.
Do not get this laptop if battery life is important to you! However, if you can live with poor battery, the laptop is awesome!
@@torsteinws thanks brother, appreciate your feedback on this, defo battery is important for my case, your insight is really crucial here. Have a great day brother.
Excellent review! (I arrived here via your "Legion Slim 7i Review: My Favorite Laptop in 2023?" review). I question if the Lenovo Slim Pro 9i 16 (or Yoga Pro 9i 16 in Europe) deserves an extra star when one looks at the "Brightness, Contrast and White Point At Different Brightness Settings" tables you display for a few milliseconds around the 1 minute 45 second mark. Here one sees that the MacBook Pro 16 contrast diminishes with brighness from 9230:1 at 100% to 940:1 at 25% whereas the Lenovo contrast remains constant from 2710:1 at 100% to 2720:1 at 25%. Wow! A factor 10 drop in the MacBook compared to no drop in the Lenovo. As most users would never work at 100% brightness levels this may mean that the contrast of both panels is roughly equivalent at some reduced brightness setting. But I'm curious if there is an explanation why or how the Lenovo manages to maintain constant contrast over the whole brightness range.
I’ve always wondered how accurate the battery percentages are. Could it potentially be more accurate if you let the battery drain completely?
Just a thought. Great video by the way! As someone who really prefers a laptop around the 16” range, this was really interesting, although I’m not looking for a new laptop
it won't change that much tbh. In real world, the ones that last the longest after 4 hours tend to last the longest. Once we onboard more team members we may add full battery run downs. As you can imagine to test 50+ laptops like we do, a full battery drain test takes a very long time :)
@@JustJoshTech Ok, I understand. Thanks for the response!
I bought the Lenovo 16” 9i laptop and he’s right, the battery life is horrible. Unfortunately. Other than that, the laptop is really great.
Lenovo is killing it. They have killer options at almost every price point and more importantly very few bad options as long as you don’t look at the super budget stuff.
The IdeaPad 5 on the budget side is a solid option. IdeaPad Pro for midrange. Slim Pro for high end. Legion 5 for budget gamers. Legion 7 for high end gaming. And don’t forget about ThinkPad…
I feel like in every price category they’re competitive. Maybe not best in class, but if have $1000-$2000 to spend on a laptop and pick a Lenovo in this price range that has the appropriate specs you need for your workflow it’s really hard to make a bad choice, maybe not the best choice, definitely not a bad choice.
Maybe I’m just a Lenovo shill…
i don't think you are a shill, you are absolutely right in this comment. lenovo has been that guy to compare to macbook. they've really improved over time. windows and the immense power needed for these processors will always be an issue when it comes to battery life. macbook's battery life is actually insane. the only way you get even close on windows is with a low powered laptop. the fact that they are able to do this with a powerhouse is insane
i've had my ideapad 5 for almost 2 years and i can't complain tbh. everything is so good on it
I strongly disagree, they have a sham aftersales service - read up on Lenovo I think you will be surprised. Design flaws make it to manufacturing, warranty is geared to fob off the end users.
@@FloundersMindthots I've personally owned multiple Lenovo laptops and usually do not even need after sales services bc the laptops run fine. The one computer I did need a repair for it was very easy and they gave me no trouble even with just the standard free 1yr warranty. I'm not saying those other reports arent true, but its pretty common for bad experiences to be shouted at the hilltops while adequate or even good experiences go unreported.
My mans pumping out vids
Thanks mate. We are investing and scaling up :)
I would like this one with 99.9Wh battery and that super AMD Zen 4 Ryzen 7 7840U CPU. That would be ideal for me. Big nice screen and laptop would work long time on battery.
Current Slim Pro 9i 16 battery life is appalling. Six hours vs 24 hours on MacBook, that is four times more for Mac. So it should be one star vs four stars in this category. ;-)
Of course if you do not care about battery life then this is really an alternative to MB16.
I have Slim 7 Pro which is nice and silent but the battery life is nothing to write home about. Battery goes down pretty fast once unplugged. I mostly work on big monitor with power delivery but still I am disturbed that I cannot move freely with the laptop because of the poor battery life.
Exactly : waiting for Lenovo to get the 7840 in a 16" model!
@@oartmans Yeah, somehow everybody put more powerful cpu to larger size laptops. Even the Framework 16" does not have possibility to setup it with 7840U-
@@JanSuchomel I don't understand the moves either. It also doesn't ask too much from the Lenovo production process to offer a 7840 16" variant as well in the same housings.
Josh, just recently started to prep to buy my new laptop, your videos have been a fantastic reference point, I do have 1 suggestion for you, if i may.
I have noticed across videos when you are comparing sound for laptops you will often play a sound test, talk about it then play the next test, however it would be beneficial to the listener to have the audio play right after one another.
I would absolutely love to see a clip before the ratings with both laptops side by side, same song, same time, alternating audio between the devices.
Keep up the great work!
Alright. Great suggestion. We will do that in future
Love the openness for feedback
Undoubtedly, the MacBook Pro is a more balanced laptop. But I can't swallow the arrogance that apple shows on it's product strategies, very step upgrade pricing, no future upgradability and no third party repair possibility. Feels more like renting a product from Apple at a very high cost.
Hey @JustJoshTech. Instead buying a MBP 16, I bought the Asus zen book 14x for windows porpuses and a MBA to browser web, and etc...
Thanks Josh for your excellent work that makes me understand my necessities to buy the best tools for the money! Thanks again!
If only one could natively install Windows 11 on a Macbook Air 2023 to combine the macbook's silence and efficiency with Windows versatility and software compatibility...
Let's wait until Qualcomm brings us the new laptop Snapdragons in the summer of 2024. I just hope that the pricing is reasonable and the software support is good...
@@IvoPavliksee. Qualcomm is bad
loved the smackdown format thanks. still very disappointed by the battery tests not doing full-drain
When we have enough people to help test we will do it
I may be the minority, but I wish Lenovo would just drop the 10 key. I want my keyboard centered.
Just got my Yoga Pro 7i with i7 13700H and RTX 4050 + 16 GB DDR5 RAM for only 1500 dollars approx. Amazing device.
man, Apple is leagues ahead in the battery department.
Unfortunately :( I wonder what the new ARM-based processors for Windows will bring in 2024.
Great videos, i love it specially the part where you talk about 'cool to touch' and programing experience.
Could you make a comparison between slim pro 9 vs legion slim 7 .
I want light laptop to be easy to travel with, and good for programing and in the same time i could play games on the side, the only thing that prevents me from getting a macbook is that i want to use same laptop for programing and gaming
Yes, they will both be in my Best 16inch Video coming soon :)
Good job. Interesting about the Lenovo's ports. Lack of HDMI 2.1 and the slower SD card is a blunder, because otherwise I'd much rather have at least one USB A than the Thunderbolt USB Cs.
I'm of the opinion that Apple Silicon Macbooks are pretty much always superior when looking at the whole polished package, but there are a lot of things you just can't do on Mac that you can on a Windows device, and that's really the deciding factor. If a Mac works for your use case, it'll be the best... but it has to work for your use case. The battery life and ability to actually function as a portable device are unrivaled.
Seems like a decent MBP alternative. Still have not even heard the fans on the my MBP (14), don't think they every turn on. Been in meetings plugged in to screens, running many apps and it's STILL dead silent and just bearly warm. Rendering long sequences in After Effects (15 minutes +) also leaves the fans off. Maybe with higher room temperature the fans would go on, but don't really understand how Apple made this possible.
I have bought a slim pro 9i 16. Its a great laptop but the fan noise and the battery life are the two major issues with the laptop. If you look for manufacturer refurbished one which will cost you $1099. And at this price I can give up those two issues.
After watching many reviews and comparisons, the results may be different when a windows laptop vs MacBook, but there are 2 things that never change, the MacBook speaker and trackpad always win 😂…..sooo usually I skip this part and going to next part in the video hahaha
Yeah, but who uses a trackpad voluntarily?
@@bobbobson6290 i agree with you, i more often finding my self using mouse and pen tablet, but many friends of mind is somekind of trackpad people hahaha
@@bobbobson6290To be honest, Mac trackpad is so good that I do voluntarily use it.
Great video as always. Keep on going, your mum is surely very proud :)
For the displays I'd just like to add that the miniLED of the macbook (at least M1 generation) has terrible pixel response time resulting in very obvious motion blur/ghosting to the point were I can easily make it out just scrolling through a webpage or watching a video. It feels a bit like submerging the display under water in terms of ghosting, whenever movement occurs. Although I seldom think about it after using the device for two years (overall happy customer), it does make the every day user experience much more sluggish, as well as render use cases such as gaming significantly less enjoyable. I'm still in love with the display though, as I very much value it's potent combination of excellent brightness and popping colors, good contrast with slight to minimum levels of bloom, high resolution and stunning viewing angels. The glossy finish (although allowing all the above things) is on a side note a bit hard to keep clean from dust.
Yeah macbook pro displays have a pixel response time of over 20ms, but the amount of discoloration that happens during those switching times is very well controlled so it just appears as natural motion blur. Its definitely not as good as something under 5ms and it makes the 120hz look less like 120hz, but for content creation its perfectly fine. Gaming not so much
I think they are planning on going old soon on tablets and laptops.
@@tjl2836
I mean it's no problem, and in my opinion a good trade-off, but it's very far below any display I've ever seen. I legit thought I was getting pupil-swim using the device lol
@@feelmentalpain yeah its brutal when compared to half decent screens. Easily the worst thing about apple mini LED.
Windows laptop makers are nothing if not predictable.
Year after year, they intentionally cripple their almost-there products with "wise" cost-cutting decisions like this port situation, the un-optimized battery life, and soldered memory in a 16 inch machine...
I think windows users looking for a mac alternative must have the biggest blue balls in the computing world. Every year, some model is aaalmost there, and then - the usual disappointment hits.
Thjs video deserves a million like, am an IT Enthusist and the legion is the best thing for linux and other software needs
good video. as a developer, i find the numpad very annoying on laptops. so for the 16 inch, i went for the Dell Inspiron 16 Plus with RTX 4060. great for productivity and gaming on the side. my only gripes are slightly annoying fan sounds that you don't have any manual control over.
why do you find the numpad annoying? Entering any number for coding is super annoying to me without a numpad
@@lgolem09l when using a laptop, i like the keyboard (alpha and spacebar) centered to the screen
Josh, you kinda talk funny but I like it. Keep it up.
I ordered the Yogi 9i 2024 about 4 days ago and it was finally available :)
when I placed the order I had a $100 discount code from Lenevo that discounted the total price by $100, I was happy to get that. The only thing was after placing the order it said my delivery date would be May 28-30. That is a long wait for a laptop I've wanted since seeing Josh's review but today I got an email saying it was on it's way and I should get it tomorrow.. What a great surprise and I can't wait to get it !!!!! wondering if others have got theirs yet and what you think about it so far?? I got a 32GB Ram 1 TB storage, 3.2K (3200 x 2000), Mini-LED, Glare, Touch, Win 11 Pro. Thanks again Josh for your review and advice to wait for this laptop to come out if I was in no hurry!!!
i’m getting mine tmr as well. What made you decide to go for this over a macbook. i’m doing some serious overthinking on returning it and getting a macbook.
@@zianabdul622 I trusted Josh's review and he suggested I wait for that laptop. So I did. :)
Josh, your videos are awsome, and it is for that reason I have a recommendation (and a respectful request) that you checkout Linux laptops. I am 99% sure you already have done this before, but I feel like you only did one or two videos (and brands), so I would like to respectfully request that Linux laptops always be in your eyes from now on, as I feel there are some great ones out there that more people need to know about. I think your channel is perfect for this as you don't just focus on the mainstream well known laptops, rather you review more. Also, if you choose to review Linux laptop, maybe make a full comparison with great Windows laptops. Most importantly, I would like to recommend Tuxedo laptops, specifically their InfinityBook Pro lineup. Thank you and have a great day :)
love your videos, Josh! keep it up!!
Great review! Could you do a review on the lenovo yoga slim 7 with the AMD Ryzen 7 7840s? Would love to see how it performs
Hi, I know I'm late to the party on this, but I just picked up a 2023 Slim (Yoga) Pro 9i on clearance and I am looking for a portable charger for it. I don't see the links to the ones you recommend, but it looks like a Ugreen? I was hoping for a compact 65 W charger, but I'll get 100W if necessary. Also curious what cables you're using, as I've read the 9i can be picky about those as well.
Thanks for the great videos!
Amazing content as always Josh.
imo the battery life is the most important thing
Hi Josh,
What do you recommend from Lenovo pro 9i 16” or 14”?
If you can't repair anything on the mac how did it get a score of 2 and not 1? How would a company even get 1 then?
Hi, Josh!. How good is the Lenovo Slim Pro 9i for video editing (Premiere Pro)?
Nice! Btw, I loved your video about the best 14-inch laptop. Could you do something similar for 15-inch laptops too?
We are doing several for 16
Thanks!@@JustJoshTech
I've been a fan of Lenovo's Slim line but was recently checking out the P1 Gen 6 which seemed surprisingly good on most fronts. Would be curious to hear your thoughts on the 16" P1 and how it compares to the Slim Pro featured in this video.
Hi, I would like to ask which laptop you recommend for AutoCAD, photoshop and sometimes Skechup ?
Is that Lenovo yoga pro good enough? MacBook Pro m2 or m3 can be same good?
Thank You
16in model is inferior than 14in, aside from lacking of MUX switch, The MiniLED panel local dimming functions doesn't work in SDR mode which the 14" doesn't suffer from this limitation.
I'm not a laptop nerd by any means, but after many years of being spoiled by using the ThinkPad series laptop at work as work laptops, I cannot use any other keyboard anymore. I now own ThinkPad and think books only, just for the premium keyboard experience! Anytjing else including Mac's, which my wife uses, feels plasticy and the key travel is just "wrong"
Thank you for such a comprehensive review! This was fantastic and gave me all the information I needed in an easy-to-understand, succinct format.
I really loved your content. Can you please review Lenovo Slim 7 with 4070/4080 like this (2023, AMD model)????
Hey Josh, are you planning on reviewing the Legion 9i any time soon?
Consider adding "Quiet" mode (or whatever it's called on different laptops...) to the battery test for Windows laptops.
I have some concerns regarding using the price as metric. Take this video for example: the MBP scored better results for almost all the points but then suddenly a worst result for the price. The question is: the better score received justify the price or not? If yes, why shall a product receive a worst vote for it?
It's to tell you that the macbook pro is obviously better but it's more expensive and people don't like that. The money is justified for those that want it but the other laptop is more or less same for less cash(and obviously people don't like spending lots of money, it's a hard economy nowadays)
Also another obvious difference that skews the results is whether gaming is important to you or not.
dude, lenovo is so much better. you cant play games on the mac, you can pay tripple AAA games on the lenovo. and the 4070 version is available as well. no way those minor design details gets macbook a better score. value is 1 star for macbook and 5 star for lenovo
I have the M2 Max. IMO when you factor in price, a 32/1TB MBP is double the cost when you include sales tax in my state, the Levovo is by far a superior purchase.
Listen, i fricking need a num pad, i edit vids with it and im a blender user. This laptop is my dream.
lenovo has one of the worst if not the worst sales support ever. I don't even imagine what a technical support would be. Especially in France
Sadly in the UK both machines are around 20% more expensive but the Lenovo comes with a 3K IPS screen not mini-LED.
Fantastic video Just Josh. Is it possible for you to compare the Razer Blade 16 (mercury edition) to the MacBook Pro 16?
That is in 2 of our upcoming mega videos. Mid to late October
For vacations in the provinces where brownouts are common (sometimes would last 4-5hrs), it will be greater to have a laptop with better batteries. This is why I changed to MBP. My gaming laptop can hardly last 3hrs specially when running multiple servers locally (software development). Downside, I cannot run my favorite windows games on my MBP. If it runs, its a lot slower than it runs on windows.
I bought the Lenovo Yoga Pro 9i (32GB RAM, NVIDIA 4060, Ultra 9) after watching this video and others, but unfortunately, I’m returning it ☹️. The performance for loading 3GB datasets is actually worse than my 2021 Dell XPS 15. There are also several frustrating issues: Windows Explorer crashes every time I step away for 10 minutes, the fan ramps up for even basic multitasking, it’s buggy when connecting to monitors, battery life is atrocious although I expected that one going in and overall, it is just worse than my old Dell XPS. Have no choice but to give the macbook a try and spend the extra dollars. Let’s see how that goes!
Microsoft surface should have done what Lenovo has done here.
Facts
Josh, slow down! Your speed of presentation has gone off the charts! - and your graphics are nearly instantaneous. They are not on the screen for nearly enough time to comprehend. And please accept this in the spirit with which it is intended: I am a real fan of yours.
You are a legend :) I'm trying to do my best by everyone. The oeverwhelming feedback is that current pacing is good. I'm launching a website early next month where the reviews will be posted as articles, so hopefully that should help. I'll keep my eye open if I see more reports of yours re speed of presentation.
Is a microsoft surface laptop studio 2 review coming 👀 👀
Hope to see an upgrade to this review with the 2024 models.
good afternoon. I watched your review very clearly, keep up the good work. I can’t choose between Legion 7gen 7 r7 6800h rx 6850m xt(140w) vs Legion 5 pro core i7 13700hx and rtx 4060. What should I choose if I do graphic design photoshop and 4k video editing. Will there be a problem with 8vram in the future and with an explanation. Thank you
Crazy that they manage to keep intel relatively cool and quiet in this lenovo laptop. Too bad the memory on this one is soldered too. Would be a very good laptop with an efficient AMD chip and upgradeable RAM
You give the mac book pro 5 of 5 stars despite of the notch?
That point was about dispkay and not software. I think you should give half stars also to avoid those problems.
WTF was Lenovo thinking, putting an hdmi 2.1 port on the 14", but the 16" is only 2.0?
The display on the Lenovo is WAY better... imo. BEAUTIFUL. Dpi is a software fix. I mean, I'm no expert but just simply looking at it 😍
Great video there as usual Josh. You are my guy to go to when it comes to matters laptop. Do a 15" laptops video like the one you did for 14" laptops.
How is a mac more portable when you need to carry around an additional bag of dongles around.
Do you think you should maybe weight the different categories on a scale (say 0-10) for how important they are? They multiply each category by its weight before summing to give the final score? Just an idea but great video regardless.
I specifically left that up to you to do btw. Because everyones use case is a bit different. I did consider it btw!
I don't know how you can compare these machines without considering OS. For me it's the way macOS works coupled with the ecosystem of all my Apple products. The people who buy macs are buying them because of that as well. I know you're looking at it primarily from a hardware point of view so I get it! Great stuff nonetheless.
Yeah, I agree. There's pretty much no decision if you're not willing to change the ecosystem.
I bought mine for CAD programs, that is where the specs of a PC are more relevant than the OS of a mac!
I have an iPad Pro M2 and iPhone 13 Pro Max. Wish they could run the same programs as Windows or id have a MacBook, not a Lenovo i9
One thing VERY important for me is using USB-C for charging. I would love to see a comparison of performance and charging time between "Full charger", "USB-C" and "Battery" .
I was going to get Lenovo Slim Pro 9i. The only deal breaker was the horrendous battery life. I had to compromise on screen quality and overheating as I bought Dell XPS 15 with better battery life and almost same performance.
Whhat??? doesn't teh dell XPS 15 have worse battery life?
@@nourkhoueiry6169 Nope. I bought it. Constantly gives me 10 hours battery life on full charge. Sometimes 12 hours if the work is light.
I've got the Lenovo Yoga and want to charge it over the Thunderbolt Port with a higher Wattage than 100 Watt. The customer service said that my maxed out version of the Yoga is compatible with a 135 Watt and a 170 Watt charger over the Thunderbolt Port, but I'm still not sure. Because I want to base my charger purchase on this I wanted to ask you, if you knew the compatability for this port.
Thank you!
Please review the Huawei matebook 16s 2023 with i9 and 32gb against the macbook pro 16
So far Dell XPS & Razer laptops and some Asus Zenbooks have "4.5-star speakers" based on multiple years of impressions by LTT's Alex.
Is it possible for you to do a comparison between new lenovo pro 9i 64gb vs 14inch apple m3 max ?
For pricing... The Lenovo should get a 5 and Mac 1... Why? Cause the Lenovo speced out doesn't meet Mac starting price..
But still gives the Mac a run for the money.
Could you do comparison between Yoga 9i Gen 8 vs Slim Pro 9i?
I'm in Europe and despite this laptop being released several months ago, it's nowhere to be found. Neither the 14" version :/
I think Lenovo is really doing great. Constantly producing great laptops
I have never understood the comparison between wind and apple laptops. People buy one or another because of OS that is it. If you want to play, buy windows(but I hope with Sonoma gaming will be also on macs). If you want smooth workspace and good look buy mac
I don't like Mac being closed compared to Windows being somehow semi open source and Linux fully open source, half the price almost. The battery life is a bummer and Mac is greatly superior in this but it's a Mac.... Will probably go with the Yoga or wait for more efficient Yoga probably new gen if it's even coming in 2024, only Ideapads were announced.
hello im confused is this the slim pro model or just the pro (do does it have touch input and 360 fold ?)
What's a good Macbook Pro 16 alternative under 2000 dollars? This Lenovo laptop in Europe costs 2700euros minimum(2 845,92 dollars)!!
I think you should compare Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 pro on ryzen 7840s (or Yoga air 14s - the chinese version) with MacBook pro 14. It would be a really interesting comparison.