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- Its one thing to have a good Villain. but its another to have the Main Character be the Villain.
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“This is a talk between the two villains.”
Thank you. Thank you for recognizing that Reiner, despite sympathizing with him and understanding why, is just as villainous as Eren is. I felt like people were ignoring the whole reason Eren even did all this.
Yeah! I feel like a lot of people were busy being Die hard Eren fans and thinking he did nothing wrong but not recognizing what he did was plain evil. It was understandable and possibly the only real solution but it was still evil
Okay I will say, Reiner is a villain, 100%, you don't just cause the fall of Shiganshina and not be a shitty person. But Eren wiped out *80% of mankind.* They are in two different leagues of villainy. Eren is, canonically, a bigger mass murderer than Adolf Hitler by exponential factors.
@@samuelwithers2221 but we’re agreeing that both men caused countless and senseless death, right?
@@chancemitchell4147 Yes, of course. I just want people to not hold Eren in the same territory as people like Reiner or Bertholdt, because even after all they did, they don't hold a candle to the devastation Eren has caused.
@@samuelwithers2221 I feel like the key difference that allows me to sympathize more with Reiner. He was a foot soldier and a child. He has recognized his sins and is haunted by them, but unable to change them. Eren shows no remorse until the very end when he grovels for his life. Eren thinks he's the hero. Reiner grew out of that but Eren never did
Eren: Reiner I'm the Attack titan and Armin's the Colossal titan.
Reiner: Having flashbacks to season 2 and horrified.
Eren: "you know what happens next right? Reiner?"
Reiner: "what...no this...your joking right...?"
@@junkoenoshima6756 Eren: We end this right here RIGHT NOW!!!
Reiner: Your not jo---
Eren transformers into his titan.
@@BlandyBoiYT THE IRONY IS REAL!!!🤣
Lmfao
Armin: ARE WE DOING THIS!? NOW!? RIGHT HERE?!
"It's been 4 years, Reiner"
"It's been 5 years, Bruce, you still owe me 16 dollars-"
fUcK oFf!
Damn! I was gonna comment this
Love this
Instead of fuck off he beats the money out of reiner
Same energy
Tybur: "Our war begins now!"
Eren: "k"
Tybur: "I am now saying my final words."
Audience: "What?"
Tybur: "What?"
Eren: "Oops sorry Reiner, that's my cue"
@@SomeTH-camTraveler Hahaha
He went from a Suicidal Maniac to a Genocidal one, quite the flip.
spoiler
To a bird ,then to a tree
Spoilers....
Since a big portion of the plan revolved around him getting killed...... we could still call him suicidal maniac
@@inn1003 true, all part of Eren's failsafe plan
He wasn't quite genocidal in the end lol but great joke regardless
"If I'm gonna kill myself anyways, might as well bring some people with me!"
"Reiner it's been 4 years, you still owe me 16 dollars"
lmao that comment of yours made my day 😂
when i first read the title , thats exactly what i thought it was ;-;
The real reason behind Eren's fall from grace. Reiner should have just pay his debt
*Bites hand*: Fuck off
@@richardford2499 i just imagined Reiner biting Eren's hand. Thank you
like the break down. and good scene. I remember honestly not knowing if he would transform right up till the moment he did. which was strong writing.
Thank you. It's a why I did the bomb comparison. The timer for the bomb is the shows run and we as the audience are stuck wishing he won't transform but knowing he might no matter what happens
This is precisely why i hate the simple addition of soldiers nearing the basement in the anime, while in the manga you don't know what kind of path Eren will take until the very last moment, the addition takes out some of the suspense by making it obvious that he will fight back since he is in immediate danger.
I knew what would happen because of fucking crunchyroll ads showing him transform
I knew what would happen because I couldn’t help but read the manga 10 times prior to this happening
"I remember honestly not knowing if he would transform right up till the moment he did. which was strong writing."
Honestly, I wonder if Willys speech went differently he would have, because right after Willy says they declare war is when he says "I knew it. I was the same as you" to Reiner. He was looking for a reason to NOT do it, even if he knew deep down that he wouldnt find it.
Erens entire story leading up the end of season 3 painted a false picture of a hero’s journey, when in reality he was always gonna be the villain of this story whether it’s what he wanted or not. All for the sake of his friends and people.
Eren didn't go out as the villain of this story though, and that was the original bittersweet ending the manga delivered. Considering all this talk about Isayama changing the ending going as far back as 2013 when the anime started, who knows how the anime will now end?
Just victims of a beautifully cruel world.
@@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi can you stop repeating this throught the comment sections? Thanks
@@jamesthomasrosky6299 Sorry man I don't mean to spam this, but its a legit talking topic, and idk whose open to discussing it or not, not until I throw it out there anyways.
But its solid truth that Isayama delivered his original bittersweet ending for the manga, and in anime interviews, he constantly talked about changing it to something "happy and satisfying for the fans". I only mentioned it here since the OP talked about Eren's journey, and given Isayama's statements, he might have a different ending for the anime. Just saying...
Actually it's not for his friends or people at all. It's *sort of* for his friends. Barely for his people. Mostly for himself. The final chapter shows it was always him wrestling between his selfish and selfless desires. Just like Reiner -- Did Reiner truly want to save the world, or did he just want everyone's approval? Did Eren truly want to destroy the world, or did he just want to be free?
To think that Willy's Call To Arms cemented Eren's lack of choice. The moment Willy riled up the Marlay People to a full on war with Paradise, he made Eren's decision for him. Had he instead chosen to attempt to sway them from war, and instead simply leave the Island alone, Eren wouldn't have been forced to set off the bomb.
Of course, we know full well it was going to go down that way because Eren knew it was the only option available, but Willy's speech was like cutting the Red Wire and setting off a bomb with an unknown timer.
The worst part is that was Willy plan and it work the majority of the world is going to commit to war and if things gone their way most likely kill every man woman and child in paradise
yep, with the way it is both sides can't exist in the world as it was, for Marley they believe Ymir and her descendants are pure evil who if left alone will just conquer the world a second time and they won't be changed because that has been the truth to them for centuries, and the people on the island cannot forgive them for the breaking of the outermost wall and other chaos caused by them, the hate of both sides is in their eyes justified and they won't be convinced of anything else.
That's why I think its silly to hate on Eren for not choosing a better alternative.
@@TheInfamousWolf I mean yeah no matter what paradise is suppose to be destroyed which is why people think there’s going to be an AOE to where it’s the one path it’s not destroyed
I really think he decided when he first walked into marley and heard the anti eldian speech. That's when he left his friends and went undercover
I don’t think the whole scene was to tell the audiences that they were the same because they both had no choice. Just like Reiner said, it’s not the environment that forced them to commit such evil acts. They did what they did because they wanted to, they were born that way: stubborn idiots who keep moving forward until the get what they desired. To Reiner, it’s to become the hero, to Eren, it’s to archive his childish dream of being freed. Ironically, in the end, Reiner became the hero by giving up on his desire, while Eren, the one who kept forward, wanted to be stopped by his friends
Pretty much, but its still clear who went out as the hero in the end of the manga, based on who everyone was crying for in the end there, the same guy who died to give peace a chance. But lets see what the anime delivers on the other hand, since Isayama confirmed changing the ending from the bittersweet one where he wanted to attack the fans (which he delivered) to one that is happy and more satisfying for fans. Considering the anime removed the foreshadowing that guaranteed this ending, and that Eren is being portrayed as heroic in all the moments where he was called "the villain" and Reiner is being portrayed as a "villain" in most of his moments, who knows what the anime will deliver now?
@@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi i hope it's gud, it seems like the writer has grown bored of his series
"childish dreams"🙄 yeah trying everything to protect and free his people is childish 🙄😂
Reiner and the rest had a choice and could've retreated but Eren doesn't have that luxury
@@sastaassh1112 None of their primitive goals were to save their people. Eren wanted to be free, while all Reiner wanted was to be a hero. These dreams are childish because they’re just black and white world views: Killing the evil enemies is all the thing you need to archive your goals.
Eren: Reiner I am the same as you
The most enlightening and horrifying sentence in the Anime
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Much appreciated, thank you!
Bro. You're a small channel but this analysis is worth the value of a multi thousand channel. You really should consider doing more of these.
This makes me unbelievably happy to hear, I 100% want to do more of these!!!
I look forward to watching your channel grow.
Ummmm here to second this. I thought you prob had around 50k subscribers until I read this comment.
@@matthewatkison7526 lol no, I honestly expected this video to fly under the radar all these views and new subs inspired me to work on another Video essay
@@KamonXV Keep it up and you'll easily get more viewers/subs. I'm subbing now for future stuff
Best episode/scene I’ve ever seen. “I will keep moving forward, until I’ve killed my enemy”
Ok...great analysis but I think you missed a small point. I strongly believe that he didn't intend to take Falco hostage but to educate him. Falco got the full picture of the whole thing because he heard Eren say their side of the story. Without that he would have been as blind as Gabi, well not really but you get what I mean. Eren might be a villain, but in opposition to Reiner and the others he was still thinking about ending the hatred between Marleyans and the people of Paradise by educating the younger generation that they are "all the same."
That. and Falco would've alerted people to Eren's presence if he was allowed to leave.
Good point but without what we know from s4 part 2, Eren was going to transform right in front of Falco. This would almost certainly kill him had Reiner not transformed immediately and protected him with his armour
@@supersani21 Did he even see falco was present there?
@@thanosnoctem4473 Not only did he know Falco was there, he actively told him to stay and listen to what he and Reiner have to say
"He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Frederick Nietzsche.
Or alternatively;
"You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain” - Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight (2008).
Eren fanboy logic: "He can't be a villain bro look how cool this jacket scene is"
It was a really nice jacket
I was talking with online friends when this was airing and we agreed that this is when season 4 really kicked off
My favourite part of this was that Reiner thought Eren was coming here for revenge. And the reason why Eren says they're the same after Reiner confesses he actually did it for selfish reasons, is because Eren is also doing what he's doing for selfish reasons.
I'd honestly say Eren is just tragic. Hes committed absolute atrocitie, but in the ending, it's clear that he never wanted to do it, but felt like it must be done. So much so that when we see him in the paths, he's a child, all until he talks to each character one by one. A battle between himself, and what he believes to be his destiny.
Honestly hope in the anime ending they actually show his interactions with the other characters
He wanted to do all of tht, he was enslaved by his own childish dream and when he told Mikasa that he hated slaves, he was referring to himself cuz he became a slave to his own dream and would go at any lenghts to do that but in the end he knew it was wrong and thus he allowed his friends to stop him
@@Metamine0 yh man
What if we made a woman as a villainess? (Just asking not wanting to be petty)
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say that another vid like this one is coming up
amazing video
You earned it bro
Good content will be rewarded :)
"The Armored Titan has been left completely defenseless"
Ironic
I remember seeing this scene for the first time and trying to justify it. All I thought was 'Marely has this coming! Kill them all!' It wasn't until the scene in the manga that I read before the anime version came out due to the hiatus, where he told Mikasa he hated her and beat the shit out of Armin that I finally accepted the Eren I knew from season 3 was gone
Yeah it hurts honestly. Like I said in the video, The Eren We knew was Gone the moment he kissed Historias Hand
If you do get all the way to the end you see him for a brief moment and all the regret and grief that he's caused hits him. What he did is unforgivable and we all understand that even Eren himself but it was to save the people he cared about most so he doesn't fully regret his actions and he wouldn't take them back
TBF, they did have it coming. They literally spent a century making innocent people suffer to make the people in the walls suffer, and also just declared war on Eren personally.
Edit: Just to be clear, I admit he is a villain,
@@miyuedelfelt2676 eren is a hero
For what it was worth, Eren's attack was justified, and his words to his friends were pretty transparent, and the anime made it more clear he was putting up an act. The Eren from season 3 was never "gone", just stuck in a dark place.
I love how the anti copyright dance expects us to speak fluent japanese
I love this scene and I approve of the anti copyright dance.
Man this show. I love how Eren sits and waits, transforming right on the declaration of war. Its not unusual for people who have no experience of the frontline of war to be eager for it. Especially with a reason as justified as "he will kill us all if we don't stop him." So the moment war is announced, he brings the war to them. Instant pandemonium. I won't be so callous as to call it Karma or Justice by any means, as so many innocents were killed in that moment. And I definitely don't want to get into the "are enablers of violent people guilty too" because this show/manga is so good at flip flopping on that. There is no static answer to that morality. Frankly, how much I enjoy dissecting this show has me worried for my own moral compass.
I thought Reiner was revealing he only wanted to be a hero and respected, which made them not the same. I don't remember each characters exact words.
No one is a hero in that world, its all about survival
Eren and Reiner are a perfect representation of Yin and Yang. The dichotomy between them is the best character dynamics I have ever witnessed.
They're not the same anyway, Eren killed his own mother. Reiner is a better person, Eren a billion times worse in every single way.
@@TheodoreBotman yin and Yang are not meant to be the same. 🤦♂️
@@TheodoreBotman Eren didn’t kill his own mother I don’t understand why people keep saying this
Was waiting for someone to do an anime.
I don’t remember his name but this one guy did L’s death from death note
My head immediately went to doing an anime.
I wasn't patient enough after ep 3 I decided to catch up with the Manga. I didn't even know Eren was in Marley. This scene/these pages got me so hyped for the rest of S4. The attack on Marley is amazing, specially the music.
I don’t think Erens evil. I think he waited. And held out hope, that Willy wouldn’t declare war. If Marley had left them alone, he wouldve gotten up and left. If you corner a stray dog, it’s gonna start biting. Not cause it’s evil. But becaus it wants to survive.
The Question of Wether Eren is Evil or not doesnt matter in a story like this because it just gets too complex to answer.
But i will correct you, no matter what Eren would have killed 80% of humanity. He says it right before he dies, that evennif there was jo war he wouldve wanted it all wiped away so it would he like armins book
@@raidenjeskar2823 I kinda get it though. The entire world hates him for being the race that he is. They hate his entire people. All he wanted was to see the world with his childhood friend, but the world won’t let him. I get wanting revenge, especially after what Marley but him through as a kid.
It is not possible to end millennia of conflict with a word. Unless you are God or maybe naruto.
War was inevitable in the case of Eldian and the rest of the world. As the saying goes, ''he who wants peace should prepare for war''
@@sayoor2765 lots of countries have found peace after centuries of conflicts. The catalyst for that peace is usually a common enemy. What Eren did, or more accurately, what his friends did by stopping him, is just cementing Paradis as the common enemy. Realistically Paradis would've been destroyed not even 10 years after what happens in the manga.
Either there should've been a complete Rumbling or what Armin thought Eren would do initially, a partial Rumbling, to establish them as a strong threat that shouldn't be disturbed, and then using Historia to preserve the Founding Titan powers for the future.
And that's only if we really want Paradis to survive, it wouldn't stop conflicts from happening, Paradis was in the middle of a civil war already. Human conflicts will never stop, that was the underlying message Isayama was trying to illustrate. I think he botched it with the inclusion of the whole... Ymir, manipulation of the past, and making Mikasa the main hero of that supernatural "appeasing the ghost of the Stockholm Syndrome victim" plot line.
in this world ther is no angel only the devils
Subbed! Would love more aot character discussions like this. Reiner is one of my favorite characters
Eren: *kills 80% of the population only to make marley, paradise and the rest of the world to fight against a common enemy to find peace*
Lelouch: that's my boy!
the rest of the world: *genocides paradis anyways*
Armong : that wasn't part of le plan
diplomacy -100
*nobody liked that* *not even thanos* *not even big chungus*
upboats to the left
EDIT: Thanks for the GOLD kind stranger!!!!
Eren: Mocks Lelouch's plan and says it will never work
Isayama: Lets just forget about that as I dont know what i'm doing
*Celestial Being intensifies*
Pain/nagato and garou: finally someone gets it
He WAS trying to complete the Rumbling, though. He states this in the last chapter.
People can only deny eren being a villain because they have yet to see the truth. They will
One of the most jaw dropping, goosebumping scene of all time
I wish I was never spoiled!
What made him a good villain is that he isn't a villain at all. He's someone who is simply doing what needs to be done.
Eren - Hey Reiner its been four years, is Joe still with you
Reiner - Who's Joe
Eren - Joe mama
And that is why Eren Yeager is the most dangerous villain in anime
😐
Awesome video essay! I couldn't agree more!
God, AoT is so good...from the the story, the characters to the music, animation and voice acting...perfection. 👌
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The whole question of whether you consider Eren a villain is based 100% on your moral system. The actions themselves aren't intrinsically evil. If you are a utilitarian, ends-justify-the-means type of person, you might find Eren's actions totally permissible. I more or less agree that it makes sense to view Eren as a villain, as that's the narrative role he serves. At the same time, there's no need to over-simplify the moral greyness of the show.
Good video, though.
Eren is 10000 percent a villain, he killed a billion people so Mikasa and Armin can live 50 years. Imagine killing millions of babies so the girl you simp after and your useless friend can die of old age, but their grandchildren get killed.
@@TheodoreBotman
This is overly simplistic. He chose the one path that guaranteed freedom for his people, and freedom from titans.
Unlike Eren, we don't know what every potential world looked like. It's possible that the world he chose had less bloodshed over many generations than others, because the mass sacrifice caused by the rumbling may have ushered an era of peace.
In my opinion, Attack on titan does a really good job avoiding black and white 'good' Vs 'bad' and it's a disservice to the show's excellent writing to try to box any one character into 'hero' or 'villain.'
@@meatisomalley Lol no, It does a terrible job of doing the whole Good vs bad, It's just a really simplistic version of the Lelouch ending, Except it does not work as it just turns all the characters into cardboard cutout versions of themselves. Zekes plan is better morally and logically.
@@TheodoreBotman I mean the manga in general, not the ending specifically, which was pretty rushed and clunky.
@@TheodoreBotman I’d say the original aot ending (no added ending bs) was just as complex as code geass’s because instead of the Mc’s sacrifice instantly ushering in peace it instead removes the roadblocks that have hampered the road to peace and left the fate of the world in the hands of those who remain. And to say Zeke’s plan is without a doubt better disregards the people of paradis and how they would adamantly oppose Zeke’s plan. It also raises another philosophical question, is the suffering of the few for the benefit of the many justifiable? To someone like Eren who’s loved one’s are in the sacrificial few the answer is no which is why he chooses to sacrifice a larger number of the many to ensure the survival of both the few and many.
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I love the fact that this dude refused to cut out the mistakes when he reads
I've improved in my newer videos, feel free to check those out!
@@KamonXV w
Another absolute banger dude
I really enjoyed this video essay. This scene really shocked me, and I couldn't believe what I was watching. You covered this scene in a very detailed manner. Well done, you deserve the subscribers and views.
you still need to work on your editing and your voice but you are doing great a couple more videos and you will be seeing the improvement nice job men
Thank you for the input! Still working on editing skills, especially since I don't really do video essays. I'm also low-key self conscious about my voice so I don't really know how to make it better
@@KamonXV Your voice in particular is not an issue you have a good voice for video essays, I was refering to the stutter you had from reading the script, try reading it once or twice before the recording and you will be able to read it more smoothly and will also help you see when some parts are too complicated or difficult to follow
@@KamonXV your voice is fine. Try to find some confidence and that will shine through and maybe that will change the sound of your voice that you aren’t a fan of.
Your voice isn’t the issue but more like just sticking closer to a script of some kind, or doing retakes if you notice a few stutters during editing. Overall nice video and an excellent analysis man!
I found this video about a week ago. I had just started season 4 and wanted to wait cause I could tell I hadn't seen what it was about yet. Just finished season 4 and got to see this. Amazing video, worth the wait
I'm glad you liked it! I have another anime analysis video up if you want to see more of my content
This was a well thought and out and executed video that gave a lot of insight into the scene. Thank you! I am subbed.
Great analysis, I'd love to see more video essays like this
Thank you! I'm working on putting together another one soon
Excellent job, dude! It's awesome to see someone else appreciate how fantastic of a character and villain Eren Jaeger is!
The only thing is I interpreted the talk slightly differently. I thought that although Eren was saying that he and Reiner didn't have a choice, that he actually meant the opposite of that. I took that to be an accusation. Like the sarcastic accusation of "You were just following orders, right?". That Reiner did actually have the choice to not follow through with the plan. Just like Eren at the moment could choose some other tactic that didn't involve as much bloodshed.
I think this is his true intent, considering his pointed question; "Why did my mother have to die, Reiner?"
To Eren, this was personal. Sure, he sympathizes with Reiner and the Marleyans. And he's also doing this because of pragmatic reasons. Eren feels they have to bring the fight to Marley, or they'll end up being crushed in a war of attrition.
But the real motivator for all of it, and especially the talk with Reiner is his absolute hatred for Marley and it's citizens. Eren despised Reiner. He was the kind of angry that you get to where you have to bottle up all your emotions and set them aside just to function. That's why he isn't showing emotion, because he can't let the wall he built up slip, or he'd just lose his sanity and control. But you can see it in his actions. Recounting the day when the wall broke. Explaining to Reiner why he's here. Showing understanding and empathy towards Reiner, and saying that the two of them were the same. This was Eren acknowledging their similarities, but it was also, to me, an angry statement.
"What you did to me, I'm about to do to you. This is your fault. All of it."
Anyways, that's what I took from his talk with Reiner. I'm certainly not an expert, I could have misinterpreted what the scene was about. But I feel like AoT has many different ways that you can interpret the story and characters that fit the overall narrative shown. To me, that's representative of a good story.
Keep up the good work!
another way to look at it, it seems
definitely a sign of a good show if you can have multiple contrasting perspectives on a scene that can still be accepted as valid
Good job! Really liked the video, Eren is my favourite protagonist of all time, glad to see he's being appreciated
This is a great breakdown and analysis man, keep up the good work.
"And yes starting from his attack on Marley, Eren IS a villain"
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Eren slowly switching broke me bc of how realistic it seemed
So happy to see anime being talked ab in this large community! Most of these “villainous scenes” were Marvel DC or some superhero thing but DAMN. This vid is so good, man, thank you.
Quality video man. Loved it. The tension of this scene was great.
Thank you! I hope you stick around for my other content
Excellent Video. It was very fun to watch only one feedback i would like to give you that keep these videos more scrioted and completly stick to it because if you go on an unscripted topic you tend to lose the tone and the sometimes stutter and unsurety about your words does sound a bit odd. Apart from this one thing I liked the video very much I am subscribed . Keep going :)
Its weird to see somebody label Eren as a villain in a show that sends another message. AoT's last season in particular shows us that there is no villains, only the villainous circumstance, such is life. Because life is just that cruel.
What Eren originally did was a man's natural response to learning that the entire world is pitted against you and those who you'd like to protect. Laying down and simply dying because your giving up would lead to less bloodshed denotes a person who really does not deserve to live. The people of the island are convicts of a sentence long since served forcefully turned into aggressors by their jurors. The show teaches that there is no good guys or bad guys in war, war is simply just a massive tragedy bound to occur, and I'd argue its not morally justified in the first place to enslave these people for the crimes of their ancestors, actions they took no part in.
People should be valued not on just their existence, but their willingness to fight for what they believe in as well.
You are the only person in This comment section with a brain. Bravo 👏
Also technically Marley declared war so it was fair game at that point lmao
well said.
While I do Agree with you, I think it doesnt help to sweep it under the "There is no Villains" Rug. Because if that were the case then there would be no such thing as villains in general. AOT does a great job at portraying the suffering of Both Sides but fans seem to only see one side as the actual Bad guys. Yes the People of Paradis are Innocent and So are the Imprisoned Eldians of Marley. But Erens Plan of Complete Genocide of everyone outside the walls (Even if it only ended up as 80%) cannot be justified anymore. At that point he Killed Innocent people and was even willing to kill his friends if they decided to stop him.
A lot of People also Seemed to Either miss the Explination or still dont under Stand but Being a Villain doesnt mean Eren is plotting and evil laugh while doing Genocide. His Circumstances were fucked and I do sympathize with him but...Genocide is a bad thing regardless of which side he is on.
@@KamonXV Is Genocide a bad thing when it's the only way for you and yours to survive tho? The side plot with the other countries desiring Paradis' resources proved that even if they went with the partial Rumbling, and established themselves as a force that shouldn't be reckoned with, that would just prolong the conflict. The world was ages ahead of them military inventions-wise.
What Eren did was awful, and idealistic. What Zeke wanted to do would've also doomed Paradis, but he's proven that he more or less doesn't give a shit about eldians who aren't from Marley.
Ideal case scenario would be Isayama writing Eren realistically, destroying all major military bases, with a lot of innocent cities as casualties on the way, and not "80% of the world" because 1) that's bs and 2) the titans literally just walked in a straight line through the ocean between the island and Marley and somehow half of Marley seems to have survived, despite most of the world being dead, what???
The whole Rumbling thing felt very rushed ngl. The art was amazing as always, but still. Isayama is better at writing the realistic struggles of the regular men in war, rather than realistic bigger conflicts with huge consequences.
I just started the video right now and I just wanted to say I LOVE THIS!!! i can already feel the chills
Thank you!. I was trying to capture the feeling I had when I first read the scene in the manga
keep up the good work, everyone on youtube loves anime scene analysis, just keep doing them
Im doing another anime Analysis video next so sub if you want to see more! :)
I have always thought it disengenious to call Eren a villain. Recall that the entire world declared war on Paradis Island, that they did that even before Eren ever attacked despite the fact that when Tybur told the truth and revealed Marley to have spread propaganda to them for decades. And Eren has known this would happen for years.
If there was a peaceful solution out of the situation then I might be able to call Eren a villain. But when the rest of humanity wants to wipe you and your loved ones out of existance and you have exhausted all avenues to a peaceful solution, what the heck do you owe the rest of humanity?! Yeah they are humans too and all that, but they have willingly chosen to disregard the eldians humanity to wipe them out or enslave them so fuck e'm.
This is where I have a bit of a bone to pick with Isayama, because Eren's fall to villainy would have had a bit more punch to it if there were options for a peaceful solution, like maybe if he had crafted a situation with a bit of nuance where maybe not the entire world declared war on them because they saw through Marleys and Tyburs shit. Eren's fall would actually have some bite to it then.
You see normally I would agree with you. How ever I feel NOT calling him one is also disingenuous because his actions are still at the end of the day Evil. Most villains in media are in the same situation where they did what was right to them.
Biggest example I can think of is Pain/Nagato from Naruto. He is from the hidden rain village, a nation constantly struck with war,death and poverty. Even with peaceful solutions that didn't stop so he choose to unite the world through Empathy of Pain.
And even by definition Eren is a villain. His Evil actions (no matter which way you slice it. What he did was evil) the plot is moved forward. Everyone else has to REACT to what eren is doing. Eren is no longer the Hero of the story once he planned to commit Genocide
But there was a peaceful solution. The show establishes that Eren's reaction to the declaration of war is exactly what will make the declaration successful. This happens in real life all the time: one side pushes the other hoping they will react, and the moment they do, then their allies come to their defense. It's an excuse to act, basically. A solid reason. That reason was needed mainly because Marley already had unstable relations with other countries, Willy being the rope that tied them together. If Eren didn't commit essentially a terrorist attack against the entire world's representatives, Marley would probably be alone in a war. Even if all of them got in the war with Marley, probably no one would move much of a finger to help (which is, again, something that frequently happens in real life). And remember, the world didn't declare war on Paradis, Marley did. Tybur wasn't speaking for all the countries at the same time. There was no formed alliance. There was no signed partnership. The only one declaring war before Eren attacked was Marley.
Eren's definetly a villain and what's to come in part 2 reinforces this notion
@@joaoassumpcao3347 idk by the looks of the other countries it seemed they all despised eldians. To think that the rest of the world would stand by and do nothing as one small country held the power to destroy the world is kinda dumb
@@joaoassumpcao3347 no there wasn't a peaceful solution no it wasn't Marley alone, yes tyber declared war but the entire ambassadors and journalists and ambassadors from other countries were cheering for it, recall that eldian's life is much worse than the ones living in marley so this attack would happen if not this year 5 years later 10 years later but it would happen eventually either way and remember eren has limited time he doesn't have all the time in the world to continue do nothing and just sit down and think and also hange Levi and Levi squad went infiltrated marely and saw that there wasn't a shread of hope for paradise soo it's not eren's fault whether eren attacked or not an attack on paradise would happen
While I do agree that Eren became a villain after kissing Historias hand, and is debatable if it was by his own volition or because after kissing Historias hand, he saw the past, present and future and all alternatives besides war or starting the Rumble. The social status would not change and if it did.
Eren went from the Protagonist, to Villan, to a Tragic Villan by necessity to change the world.
Although I feel that the final parts were a bit hurried, it ended tragicly but ended well.
*Spoilers*
The cycle of opression and violence would continue or even worsen:
Misaka would be force to become Royalty and bear the succession of her own country (Hizuru, country that was waiting for any sort of Elbian weakness to attack them);
Marley who wanted complete world domination and obliteration of Elbia and it's people.
Marleyin rebels wanted to make a religion out of the rumble worshiping Eren like a god. (Yikes)
Elbia who if they won the war would perpetuate the cycle of violence towards the Marley for all the years of torture and violence of their people.
In the end the Titan's powers and the Coordinate was the reason for the endless war.
This is why he, declares war on Marley, severes ties with his friends, ignores everything besides his plan, removes the Elbian bloodline curse (i.e. Ymir's curse saving Ymir's soul from being bound), but most of all....He leaves all his friends and foes with the ability to transform and stop him... (Basicly a more complex and interesting "The Story of Red Ogre and Blue Oni".)
Very well made! I haven't seen any video essays worded so well before
Such an amazing video. Well done!
thank you! feel free to check out some of my othwr content!
I think erens a villain not because of this attack, but rather the 'revelation' at the end of what set off the entire series of events to begin with.
Although with the past being determined by the future, and with no way for it not to be self-determined, I suppose the real villain is the author.
Just so you know, people who understood Japanese confirmed that Eren WASN'T responsible for that revelation, it was Ymir.
But speaking of the author, we got the original bittersweet ending where he wanted to hurt the fans, so he can be considered a villain for that I guess lol but ever since the anime started, he wanted to create a happy and more satisfying ending for the fans, and he even took away the foreshadowing that solidifed the ending we got in the anime and considering he is a head writer for the anime, that can't be a mistake.
@@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi assuming we're talking about him making his mother kill his other mum instead of bertold, then he says that he did it? Hard to imagine they'd get that wrong in translation.
Although if that is the case, then that's kinda worse, because Ymir has all the powers of all the titans and always has, so from the very start she could see the future and specifically chose for every single atrocity to happen and chose to do so until an arbitrary event which she already knew would happen actually happened, despite it not being any revelation to her because she already knew it would occur.
Honestly the time stuff just takes a golf club to this series.
@@scotcheggable Yes, we're talking about that, and no, Eren didn't actually say he did that. That was a fan translation, which was changed completely by the official release date.
But all Ymir wanted was not for Bert to die, so he just had Dina ignore him, and go to the countless other people that was in the city. It doesn't make it worse like you're saying it does.
But I do agree that the time stuff with this series can be confusing and hopefully the anime clears it up. Considering this time stuff was kinda already in place before Isayama was inspired by GOT, maybe there will be changes to how its implemented since time travel was a big debate for that series also.
@@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi my point still stands, unless you're saying she holds a purely sentimental attachment for someone she's never met that trumps any and all consideration for others, including others in bertolds position wherein she did not interfere (titan users about to be eaten.)
That makes even less sense than eren doing it himself. I could at the very least accept that it was something eren would do, but Ymir doing it makes no sense whatsoever because she has never intervened in such a way before or since and didn't even show the willingness or intent to of her own free will.
@@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi Eren killed his own mother though, even the images show he did that. You just must be on some mad copium after reading one reddit comment saying "AHHH THE FAN TRANSLATIONS LIED AHHH". Just accept it, Eren killed his own mother.
Ooh, no one has shown the full interview before.
Great video! Glad you chose these two and this scene. Probably my favourite after the end of season 2. I hope you do one on the end of the series when it finally airs. Really would like your take on the similarities.
Damn, I hi-key spoiled this to myself by not clicking away but your narration kept me locked in. This video was dope dawg. You've earned my like and sub. Good shit.
Lol sorry 😅 I'm really glad you like the video though. I was trying to not COMPLETELY spoil the End so you still have a lot to look forward to.
@@KamonXV i might read the rest of the manga tonight thanks to you. I already seen part one of s4 so I knew where we were going. Its not like I was in s1 or s2 so its all good. Awesome video once again! It made my week actually lol
Eren best hero
and best villain
Well in season 1-3 he is
Best villain and worst hero
Incel Hero maybe. AHHH MIKASA PLEASE DONT LEAVE ME AHHH MIKASA PLEASE NEVER MOVE ON FROM ME AHHHHH
Eren's such a great tragic story.
That feeling when it begins to settle down that he's ultimately gonna prove Willy right bc there's no other choice and the only way that road can end is not a happy one, when he starts pulling his plan off the audience may as well be there sitting with Falco and Reiner. Superb, amazing storytelling.
-until the end which is kinda super lame-
I honestly hope more come from this channel. This video is truly a great start to your channel.
Working hard on another Video Right now!
Very well made script and video, keep it up man, u definetly deserve a lot of subs at least 50k just from this video alone
Whelp the last thing I remember on this show was the wall being revealed to be crystallized Titans or whatever. Apparently I’ve missed stuff.
Oh Yikes you missed A LOT LOL. well uh.... to catch you up to speed. There are Titans in the walls. Humanity is alive across the ocean and are living in the 1940s and Eren Evolved from Suicidal Manic to Genocidal AND Suicidal Manic. Any Questions?
The only thing Eren did wrong was not knock up Mikasa.
Or Historia
@@KamonXV nah I wouldn’t want Historia to die.
@@jmvt3 wouldn't that imply mikasa will die then lol?
@@KamonXV ew no :/ never bought their relationship
@@thundra5820 uh… no? Why would she die?
A good video. I also did this scene for my Villainous scene and I love your take on the scene.
Great vid! I'm glad the algorithm sent me your way. :)
I like that Kamon stutters and chokes here and there. It feels like i'm actually there listening to his TedTalk. Great fucking work, dude!!
I wouldn't necessarily classify Eren as a villain. His actions may be "villainous" but he's trying to stop the Marleyan Empire and the rest of the world from enacting a genocide of everyone on Paradis island.
Edit: He rumbled 80% of the world in order not to save the people of Paradis, but to make his friends as "heroes" in some half-baked knock-off Lelouch's Zero Requiem Plan.
“I used the War Crimes to destroy the war crimes”
Eren is a devil born from circumstance, though i would argue he keeps making active decisions to escalate
not that there are many other options
Yes exactly 👍🏻
"I killed more people than Hitler, Stalin and Genghis Khan so the girl I simp for and my loser friend can live for 50 years". He's more villanous than anyone who ever lived on our entire planet lol, These incels who self identify as a genocidal manic are kinda weird.
@@TheodoreBotman
Well yeah his character was basically assassinated after chapter 131. The islanders were made into idiots after the timeskip where they basically sat on their hands for years while Marley readied for war. Armin became insufferable after the timeskip.
@@justinpachi3707 True, Armin is the epitome of a fake hero, it's weird how that comment seemed to affect Isayama when he does nothing except make the manga worse.
i cant wait to watch you and your content mature . u have a lot of potential
Thank you! I'm working hard on another video right now.
@@KamonXV im excited!
The entire scene is just beautiful. You can see the way Tybur was speaking. There is no way to avoid war. The world has brought this on themselves
Eren’s actions were morally wrong, but he was basically forced into doing them tbh. Ymir wouldn’t become free any other way.
marley: racist greedy nation blaming sons for the sins of their fathers even tho eldians just trying to mind their own business
also marley: "cowardly attack from paradis on the whole word" *cry sob
I don't care honestly had it coming for a long time it's been overdue
Thank god you explained the difference between antagonist and villian
Ive been explaining it almost every week since this video came out and some people still dont get it LOL
Great video, excited to see your channel blow up!
Thank you for the support!
Eren did evil, but he wasn’t the villain. Marley invaded and did those crimes on Paradis for natural resources and to steal the founder from a Peaceful People. They knew the King of Walls had the vow renouncing the war. And Eren only attacks, after Willy says the words “I DECLARE WAR ON PARADIS”
I consider Eren’s action retribution. Until the god awful manga ending.
praying we get a altered anime ending
mans got the subcount of a 12 year old minecraft let's player but the editing of a channel with 100 times the views.
FUCKING LOL. This is probably the best compliment I've ever received lmfao
Thought you were a 100k sub channel because of the great production of this vid good job man keep it up👍🏾
I think that people often overlook the fact that Eren ‘waited’ until Tybur announced his statement. He already knew it, of course, but still didn’t act until the war was declared on him.
I really liked and enjoyed this essay on Eren and what he did. I especially liked the "bomb under the table" comparison and how dire it set the situation.
I was also wondering if you would do a video on your thoughts on the ending chapter (139) as I'm in the minority of fans that actually liked and would like to hear your thoughts.
Anyways, great video, you've earned a sub
I think I'll do a video on the ending when the anime catches up since the chapter released so long ago but my general thoughts is this without spoilers:
It could have been handled a lot better but it definitely works for what we got. It was terrible but it kinda crumbled under its own hype
Appreciate your quick response, and yeah, the hype definitely didn't do it any favours. Personally speaking, I don't think it would've been possible to make a perfect ending given how long it'd been running and the wide range of fans it has, but I guess that's the beauty of the show.
Finally someone who also liked the ending
Spoiler
Did Eren know he killed his own mom when this scene occurred, or did he not know until after he entered the titan realm? I know from chapter 130 that he saw a memory of young Berthold after kissing Histiria's hand, but I don't know if he actually saw more than that.
@@jamesharrington4518 I'm not quite sure, but I think he pretty much knew everything by that point
There are no truly evil people in attack on titan, there are just people living their lives, and people trying to get what they want.
Good video, be encouraged and keep making them. You have a lot of potential 👍🏾
What I like about Erens motivation is that it never changes. It's revenge for his mother. The only difference is that now humans are the enemy
Eren is not a villain. The whole point of Attack on titan is that the heroes of one side in a war are villains to the other side. It's all just perspective. Anyone still arguing about heroes and villains in Attack on Titan has completely missed the point.
wow someone who gets it
I disagree, Eren isn't a villain, He is a monster, but the sad fact is that monsters are need from time to time.
Then would Pain,Lordgenome and Lelouch not be villains? Because they were definitely monsters but were needed monsters.
@@KamonXV I wouldn't call eren a villain, saying eren is a villain because implies he was completely evil which is untrue as he was fighting for paradise Island, sure he is a villain in the eyes of the world but he is also a hero in the eyes of paradise so I think it's better to call him a necessary evil rather than a hard villain
@@baldychkn2949 I still stand by what I said. SPOILERS FOR THE MANGA
even in the manga most people didn't agree with what eren or those who followed him were doing. It would be like saying Pain wasn't a Villain because the Hidden Rain village liked him.
One also doesn't have to be a villain the entire time to be considered one. Case in point is reiner, at one point he was one of the Heros and the Marleyans look up to him. He is still a Villain. The term Villain isn't as black and white as some would think
@@KamonXV Lelouch is not a villain, he is a anti hero.
@@baldychkn2949 EVEN MORE SPOILERS FROM FROM THE MANGA:
I think the fact that Eren perpetrated and pushed his own father to slaughter the Reiss family definitely solidified that he is a villain for me. To add on to this horror, even though he had the best intentions for Paradis Island, he finally used the power of the rumbling and committed mass genocide, killing 80% of the world's population, even while knowing people are just the same outside of Paradis Island. He knew to himself that there were still good people out there but chose to, and to him, probably had to do what he did. He definitely is a villain. And one good villain that almost made him my favorite character of the whole series. *cough* Until the last chapter came out anyway *cough*
Awesome. Understanding a villains motivation is so important. Like Griffith 👍
I *LOVE* this video, dude. Hopefully ya want to make more videos like this in the future (maybe still on aot? Wink wink)
The scene in the anime (the Japanese dub) was fucking brilliant too, just from the voices i got chills run down my spine. Yuki Kaji (voice of Eren) and Yoshimasa Hosoya (voice of Reiner) alone portrayed the characters emotions, struggles and just everythin so fuckin well. I don't think we could've got a better cast for the Japanese dub of aot even if we asked. Literal perfection
I definitely want to do more video essays an am currently working on another one (it's not on AOT though) and yeah Yuki Kaji is an insainly talented VA
I don't think the rumbling was the only option. Since we see that a certain eternal child's powers can be used to alter the past retroactively, and he can make use of them, there is no in-universe reason why the entire situation all the way back to ymirs death couldn't have been altered.
Though that's probably less erens fault and more the authors.
Yeah everything would have been consistent if that wasnt a detail. I think being able to see into the past was an amazing scene, but being able to alter it was too much. Having the history of the world leading eren to believe that the rumbling was the only option would have been god tier
Ahhh I don't think u understand his powers as yet he is not altering the past but part 2 will explain this
I fully believe Eren could have found another way byt refused because it would push him away from "that scenery"
@@ultimateme3049 I don't know man yeah but his plan was flawed from the beginning just because of his simp shit
I believe he couldn't alter the situation related to Ymir's death because at that time the Paths didn't exist. The paths came into existence only after Ymir died.
It could very well be possible that he considered all the possibilities and went along what he deemed appropriate.
However the retcons in the finale created many problems to say the least.
Eren is no villain, he's just an avatar of retribution.
There is plenty of pain dished out and evil enacted in Attack on Titan, but generally, everyone is in a morally grey area, as they should be. Most people, even in real life, do what they must to protect themselves or the ones they care for, or just to survive. But when it came to the titan people, nobody was in the right.
The original Eldians enslaved the titans, and then the world, but not too different from what empires in our world were like. When the new Eldian empire/titan Eldians repented for all the destruction they caused, the Marleyans and the rest of the world sought to punish them further, despite said penitence, which was in fact unjust. Not just that, but in their fear of the Eldians, the Marleyans treated them like the Nazis treated the Jewish, and then also sought to destroy their isolationist and ignorant nation on top of that. Eren's actions towards the rest of the world mirrored Marley's actions towards Eldians.
However, all of this stemmed from one simple problem that Jean mentioned after the Rumbling started: *nobody thought of diplomacy, to simply just... talk.* And because nobody talked to anyone else, they just fought like animals until one of the sides moved to logical conclusion of killing off the other side entirely. Eren is just the byproduct of the unfair and aggressive and beligerent world he lives in. He hates that world, and he hates himself for doing what he chose to do, but he does it anyways, for the sake of everyone, so that there can be some peace, despite the human cost.
What's Truly A Villian A Person That Pursuits His Needs At Others Cost
Then Ain't We All Villians🌚
“We are all villains to someone else” -some intelligent person.
He does the bomb thing with Armin Mikasa and Gabi too. It doesn't work but he still did it
without spoiling i just wanted to say that this was ruined by eren in the manga (imo)
Oh yeah 100% lol