Nothing to do with the fact that Sullivan is getting a lot of stick in spite of having backed the manager in the transfer market? Just ridiculous. Feed up our west ham fans.
Then you’re blind, Sullivan Gold And Brady are a cancer that deserves no respect. Lies upon lies and they get your respect? Worst and most embarrassing owners in PL history. Look what they did at Birmingham. How much evidence?
My honest belief is that tim had amorim lined up but sully went with the Salthouse client because he could get paid under the table.... and let's be honest none of us wanted loppy in the first place
No matter how much Tim wanted Amorim, Amorim was never going to leave a club with Champions Leage football this season and, likely, next season, for a club with nothing in Europe!
@@jimmymcgill713 Ok, so you think a manager is going to leave a club he has taken into the Champions League and leave to join a club who has no European football? Sure LOL Considering Amorim stated publically that he was not leaving Sporting I don´t know where you get that idea from.
We blew a fortune, brought in just one young player with pace (Summerville) when we have none and other teams like Palace, Forest have plenty and went cheap on the manager and striking options. We now have 3 x 30+ end of career forwards without pace. So, cheap on Moyes-like tactics and cheap on goals, what could possibly go wrong!
5 partidos sólo......El equipo está en construcción. Creo que hay que controlar las emociones y relativizar. La construcción de un equipo no se hace en 5 partidos.....Lopetegui es un gran entrenador y lo va a demostrar. Tranquilidad, confianza y apoyo al equipo.....Ánimo y fuerza
We the fan base should echo very loudly , In Steidten We Trust . Hopefully Sullivan and the board would listen that our long term future is based on retaining Steidten to plot our future successes. I did not want Lopetegui but since he is our manager we need to support him But not at the expense of our club .
I think we have to be careful to separate Lopetegui ‘the manager we didn’t wanted’ and Lopetegui’s a ‘manager that’s rubbish.’ He’s a top manager. Spain and Real Madrid didn’t just take a punt on him. We just need to give him time and get behind him. I find it really frustrating that the fan base is constantly unhappy. It’s taken 5 games for all the new exciting to go back to where it was before but with new characters. “Lopetegui hasn’t got a clue. Fullkrug’s rubbish, Brazil’s starting midfielder is not good enough to start for West Ham. It’s been 5 games. Just relax and let it play out. Thanks for the video.
From the beginning I said I never want this guy as manager, but after transfer market I thought I sit back and give this guy a chance, but it’s not looking good at the moment, but as well I didn’t expect him to be pulling up trees by now , I still say give him till November and let’s see what happens, but if nothing changes he will have to go, but I will say this I expect us to finish mid table and push on improve next season
Saturday was all down to manager incompetence. Tactically terrible. But he’s probably the perfect fit for Sullivan. Easy scapegoat, probably just good enough to avoid relegation. The usual lack of ambition from the board in getting the right man at the top.
I have already said on another video, I believe I can see what Loppy is looking to enforce. A high defensive line, playing the ball further up the pitch, at times on Saturday we we’re over half way very quickly, so this will continue and our attacks develop on the wings with Somerville and kudus I have faith
Big up, Frankie. I know weve had our disagreements footballing wise, but I have to give him credit, he's never erratic. I can feel his calmness through the screen and the video hasn't even started yet. COYI
In answer to David Sullivan blaming our director of football and head coach,, how many managers has the chairman had working for him? Is every manager useless,, ,,,or is it David Sullivan who needs to get the sack?
Every time us fans start to get a bit of optimism, we always get dragged back down to earth. It normally comes down to one common denominator.....our owner. The guy doesn't deserve us.
Nothing ever changes ultimately and there's only one common denominator...and ironically it's feelings about the owner that is about the only thing that generally unites the fans in these sadly divided times.
The owners deserve some credit. They have improved the finances, won a trophy and delivered European football. When they took over a lot of us thought this was just marketing but they have delivered Some people will never get over the Upton park thing. Who am I to say they should. They are certainly not perfect but look around at the big clubs in recent years. Who has had a smooth ride?
Didn’t Steiden bring in Rodriguez, Mavrapanos, Guillherme, Fullkrug?? That is a waste of money in my eyes and can’t believe everyone is spunking over Steiden. Not getting a young, pacy forward and wasting 40 million on fullkrug and Guilherme is criminal.
Sullivan doing what Sullivan does best. Some not so good results & he throws people under the bus He’s a narcissist gaslighter. He’s STILL West Ham’s biggest problem.
If we had got Ruben Amorin and we had the start we've had I would be very confident he would sort it out. With this guy I really don't. That's the difference for me.
I think u have to give lopetegui time, but not too much time. At the end of the day, it's not like we are getting someone young, fresh and vibrant who we would be happy giving more time. It doesn't have the same affect with lopetegui because he's not fresh and has been around the block. Patience is wearing thin
Sullivan is such a weasel. Tim has been a model professional in supporting the company line despite Loppy clearly being Sully's choice, There's no chance he would undermine the new head coach. With regard to Loppy I'm giving him until Xmas to at least have an opinion, I will say that team selection and tactics have got me a bit concerned. But I love his attitude on substitions and changing system in-game. I think the players need to step up too though.
Is it too much to ask for a professional organisation to act professional? It's always the same silly games year after year. How about everyone on the board just accepts that we are in a crap position right now. We have spent big money, so when that big money leads to further stagnation in the club, you would think there would be a plan of action, but no instead we argue amongst ourselves (members of the club and the fanbase!), become the joke of the premier league and then the blaming game begins once again. Just for once I want to see some unity and some accountability. We are only as strong as our weakest link, and in this case all links are equally as weak and are only getting weaker as the days pass by. Get your bloody act together as any regular business who is underperforming would, and fight for what us West Ham fans are long overdue... Some bloody good results
This whole situation reminds me of the Pellegrini raine , if we’re losing it’s everybody’s fault. Yes there are issues with Lopetegui current method of tactics, but give the guy and players some time to get it right. We as fans need to keep calm and believe in the process. The more we kick off the more the media loves it. COYI ⚒. Don’t panic Mr Mannering.
I had my doubts about Lopetegui when I learnt he had suddenly left Wolves and had hoped he would quell my doubts but no good investment in a striker this summer hasn’t done so. Sullivan is a cheapskate and Lopetegui only got the job because he was cheap. Another season filled with disappointment ahead of us.
@@Foorless26are you mad? Very few apart from Sullivan wanted this manager, I hope he can turn this around and he gets my support for now but be honest, he wasn’t our choice.
I don’t see them sacking him. It would cost them too much. We need to keep our fingers crossed and hope we develop a solid structure with an occasional goal threat.
Ipswich are a decent footballing side who have drawn their last 3 away games. They have nothing to lose when they come to us. We will be under pressure and it will be interesting to see how the team and crowd react. It won't be an easy game because they won't make it that and we shouldn't expect to win. Hoping of course that we do 😬
My take. We knew Loppy wasnt really Steidten first choie early doors, they had come to accept eah other. that acceptance was given as a Steidten choosing him rather than accepting him. Sullivan being snidey
First I hope the blame culture is exaggerated, because if it is not these people will not be able to work together. This will be to the detriment of the club. I don't think the concept of a transitional manager is a sound one unless it is agreed with the manager. I see no evidence that Lopetegui is working on that basis. While I liked Moyes I am able to move on. But while he was here he was blamed for a lot of things that were at least in part systemic and now we are seeing them play out. The goals conceded last season which was due to the deterioration of Zouma who despite having knee problems was still our best CB. The conservative football which had a lot to do with playing twice a week for most of the season and not having the training time to work on things. Lopetegui has a much easier hand to play. He has most of our best player from last season, new defenders and at least an option at striker. Equally important no European football so he will have a lot more quality time in training. He will also be able to press the opposition as the players won't have so many miles in their legs. I think his main headwind is the teams he is competing with are ahead of us in their project and better financed. They now also have a head start. There will also be an issue sorting out the best defensive formation and personnel,. Eight goals in three home games tells a story. I would take 10th today if it were offered. There are seven teams better financed and further ahead in the projects than us plus Bournemouth, Brighton, Villa and now Forest who look like dark horses this year.
I can see Eden Terzic in if it all goes tits up. The German link up between him and Steidten and the man to get the best out of Fulkrug and Mavropanos.
We've had a rough couple of starting games, but there's a long season ahead! Its gonna take 2 years to build up a team. We're gonna finish in the 7th-10th bracket with a completely new team and new manager. Time heals all wounds 😁
Thank you guys for a very thoughtful presentation.I am still hopeful of us getting things together.But,the next two premier league games are crucial to our manager getting my support.He was as woeful as most of our players against Chelsea.And that is very concerning.Sullivan’s foolish influence will never change!He is the king of wacky behaviour,full stop.Until we have different progressive owners,we will always be on this merry-go-round!Thanks again fellas, enjoyed the show.COYI⚒️
The problem is, the club spent a lot of money and if, if we did get a new manager say at the end of the season a new manager would want to have some spends and I think we're spent out.
My God. If it’s this toxic now. Imagine if he loses the next two league games? After we won Europa Conference, I certainly did t see this in our future. Makes me incredibly sad. We were on the cusp of making the step into next level football. Now feels like we are free falling down further than we ever have been.
My problem with all this is that I don't agree with the director of football/coach structure. I manage a team at work and I recruit them. Yes, I have to run it past my boss, but I'm in charge. I'd hate it if someone who wouldn't be working with them day to day signed people on my behalf
I think once we get a few positive results we will look back on these first five games and admit that it was difficult to see more than seven points. Four points is disappointing, bit it is not disastrous.The performance against Chelsea is a different matter. Lessons need to be learned from that, and quickly.
I get the feeling Tim agreed to floppy on the basis he plays string football, but loppys version of that is a ultra high line. I think loppy will revert to a more defensive style in a game or two . But he no way was Tim’s pick he’s nothing like amharim
Only 5 games and some WHU fans are making mugs of themselves demanding Lopetegui be sacked. Sullivan is the perpetual pantomime villain, but it's his money which has brought us from the Iceland circus to comfortable Premier League. Amorim was never coming to us, and Duran was never coming to us either - Amorim was flushing Liverpool out and Villa had already given Duran the No. 9 shirt. This season is about consolidation and transition, we've been beaten at home by three teams that were probably always beating us. Give it until Christmas and then assess where we are, if only to quiten the TalkSport muppets itching to troll us.
Agree with some of that but disagree a lot about fans making mugs of themselves, it’s just their opinions. Am a good bit away from panicking (maybe if we lost to Brentford and fail to beat Ipswich but unsure that’ll happen) but fans are entitled to think what they wish, they’re not mugs just because we don’t agree. I disagree about the Duran part of your comment but that’s fine, doesn’t mean you are a mug, we just have different opinions. Life’s tough enough without calling people names for having different opinions. Some may think you are a mug for waiting until Christmas if we lose every game until then but that’s your view.
I think it will click, like geo said, beat Ipswich and Brentford we’ll forget about it. Playing against city villa and Chelsea who are big ball playing teams when we’re trying to do that shows some change. however they’re millions of pounds spent showed their class on the counter. It’s also 6 competitive games in, he still don’t know his best 11 which is a concern but it’ll work itself out and come good. Keep faith
I think Lopetegui has the Brentford and Ipswich games to show us what he can do. To me it's not much. It's like the players have been blindfolded, they run around and haven't a clue where they are going, just bumping into one another.
There is too much drama from all corners of west ham. But what’s new there? We are unbeaten away from home and lost 3 games at home that if spread over the course of the season would likely be disappointing but understandable given the quality of the opposition. Record in all comps do far this season is won 2, drawn 1 lost 3. Does that mean Saturday wasn’t worrying? No. Does that mean much improvement on the tactical side of things is required? Absolutely. But saying a failure to win against Liverpool or Brentford could lead to a toxic atmosphere for the Ipswich game is the exact nonsense that creates such things in the first place. People need to get off their dramatic high horse and back the team, back the manager and show them they are with them. They could start by driving a stronger and more sustained atmosphere at the London stadium. One that away teams are actually afraid of. Right now it’s far too easy to silence the home crowd and feels like the players have to earn the right to be supported when they should be being driven on by the passion that clearly lies within their massive fan base. COYI
The poison dwarf just cant help himself he has to interfere.. we all know why Loppi is in the hot seat. whispers in ears by agent cronies cheapest option and yes Loppi can do a presentation and yes moyes left us in a really bad way that will take more than a few games to get sorted but a lot of coaches have hit the ground running and got the best out of what they have . Brigton ,forest come to mind straight away . Apart from times in city game he is not filling me with confidence. Trolls from other clubs steaming in and moyesettes in media but he needs to start cracking on and leaarn from chelsea game.
And here it is geo. It only took 5 premier league games for everyone to slowly start turning their heads towards Sullivan... Last year, apparently, the problem was Moyes. He's not here to take the blame for dinosaur tactics and being too negative anymore so what do we do? We do what what we've always done and find someone to blame. Let's say we lose all our home and away fixtures to the top 6 or 7 sides, but we win our home games against the others.. and get a win and a draw away to those teams aswel... Then we probably end up in Europe. Technically, we're on track.
So, a Company can't employ a salesman who impressed on interview and then after 3 months failing to secure an order, call him out as rubbish? Really? How is this the Directors fault?
The only constant is Sullivan and he won’t change, rather he doubles down on the divide and rule he always reverts to, that’s a massive problem as it engenders anger within the fanbase. Let’s be honest if the results and performances continue to disappoint he’ll simply throw more chaff out there to redirect the blame from him, the fallout from that will just make things much worse.
Lopetegui was out of work 12 months had plenty of time to draw up a wanted list, & has been WHU since DM left the way were playing you'd think we he never had a pre-season or signed his own ''Wants'', we're looking like the laziest team in the league.
Personally don’t want Moyes football tactics(as defensively it wasn’t improving)Not enjoying this current form of Jlop tactics but don’t want him sacked,Sullivan is the type of owner I really don’t like and his style of business attitude disgusting…So our ownership is the point I have always wanted removed.
Isn’t this panic a little too early ?let’s give it 10 more games before we start the blame game . Whilst highly unlikely say we beat Liverpool tonight and win next 2 Prem games , will we be having same conversations?
Dear, dear. I wish sullivan would keep his mouth shut. Think many fans are overreacting. Don't care who has signed who. We've got what we've got: and it's quite a good squad. Most of the media want JL to fail, many fans are perhaps rightly frustrated, but winning will cure most of this, as long as we don't get to toxic and start finger pointing....Mr Sullivan.
Interestingly he hasn’t done worse than Moyes first 8 or 9 games so far. Just adding some perspective compared to the man who could not be sacked. 😇😈. In reality as cynical as I am, what we are seeing beyond results is deeply worrying, can’t remember as a spectator seeing such a completely deluded set up as we saw on Saturday that from nearly everyone from fans to pundits was head shaking in its inappropriateness. Always thought we would struggle at first due to the change in personnel, I accepted his sticking with Moyes players early on as a result, but what we see is well beyond those reservations about expected competitiveness this season early on.
We've got a good chance of beating Liverpool by using a distraction technique, we need J-Lo to wear a pair of bumless cowboy wigwam flared jeans. 👖👀 🙉 🙈 ⚒
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An absolute nightmare, why is our club such a bloody shambles? The answer, one word, Sullivan.
Nothing to do with the fact that Sullivan is getting a lot of stick in spite of having backed the manager in the transfer market? Just ridiculous. Feed up our west ham fans.
@@512SquaredSullivan has to back his own gamble, he’s a shitstain on our once great club
@@garywagner2227 he put this club on a secure financial footing after the disaster that was the Icelandics. He has my respect.
Then you’re blind, Sullivan Gold And Brady are a cancer that deserves no respect. Lies upon lies and they get your respect? Worst and most embarrassing owners in PL history. Look what they did at Birmingham. How much evidence?
Take a leaf out of Frankies boo. Chill.
My honest belief is that tim had amorim lined up but sully went with the Salthouse client because he could get paid under the table.... and let's be honest none of us wanted loppy in the first place
No matter how much Tim wanted Amorim, Amorim was never going to leave a club with Champions Leage football this season and, likely, next season, for a club with nothing in Europe!
Good post mate.
The whole Amorim scenario was bizarre at the time...but it makes more sense now.
Tim wanted him....smurf didn't.
Makes sense to me
@@akwamarsunzaloh..he would.
@@jimmymcgill713 Ok, so you think a manager is going to leave a club he has taken into the Champions League and leave to join a club who has no European football? Sure LOL Considering Amorim stated publically that he was not leaving Sporting I don´t know where you get that idea from.
The prem is a big pull n he only said he wasn’t leaving once he came out he came over
Sullivan, Salthouse and Silkman need to go!
And Brady
We blew a fortune, brought in just one young player with pace (Summerville) when we have none and other teams like Palace, Forest have plenty and went cheap on the manager and striking options. We now have 3 x 30+ end of career forwards without pace. So, cheap on Moyes-like tactics and cheap on goals, what could possibly go wrong!
5 partidos sólo......El equipo está en construcción. Creo que hay que controlar las emociones y relativizar. La construcción de un equipo no se hace en 5 partidos.....Lopetegui es un gran entrenador y lo va a demostrar. Tranquilidad, confianza y apoyo al equipo.....Ánimo y fuerza
Estoy de acuerdo de ti..
We the fan base should echo very loudly , In Steidten We Trust .
Hopefully Sullivan and the board would listen that our long term
future is based on retaining Steidten to plot our future successes.
I did not want Lopetegui but since he is our manager we need to support him
But not at the expense of our club .
good shout
The one common denominator in all of this.
David Sullivan.
Been like this from day one of his reign and will continue until the day he’s gone.
Took Sullivan a whole 5-6 games to throw both JLo and Tim under the bus. Stay classy, Sully!
Throws anybody and everybody under the bus. You only have to look at his history. Snake.
He only has low class 😂😂coyi
I think we have to be careful to separate Lopetegui ‘the manager we didn’t wanted’ and Lopetegui’s a ‘manager that’s rubbish.’ He’s a top manager. Spain and Real Madrid didn’t just take a punt on him. We just need to give him time and get behind him. I find it really frustrating that the fan base is constantly unhappy. It’s taken 5 games for all the new exciting to go back to where it was before but with new characters. “Lopetegui hasn’t got a clue. Fullkrug’s rubbish, Brazil’s starting midfielder is not good enough to start for West Ham. It’s been 5 games. Just relax and let it play out. Thanks for the video.
From the beginning I said I never want this guy as manager, but after transfer market I thought I sit back and give this guy a chance, but it’s not looking good at the moment, but as well I didn’t expect him to be pulling up trees by now , I still say give him till November and let’s see what happens, but if nothing changes he will have to go, but I will say this I expect us to finish mid table and push on improve next season
Yeah I agree with pretty much every word of this
Saturday was all down to manager incompetence. Tactically terrible. But he’s probably the perfect fit for Sullivan. Easy scapegoat, probably just good enough to avoid relegation. The usual lack of ambition from the board in getting the right man at the top.
Frankly is bang on again,great vid chaps thanks
You two guys 👍. A good listen, always interesting. Thanks.
Agreed
Thanking you, very kind
The sooner the toxic dwarf goes, the better.
Not sure about 18 months 18 weeks will do
I have already said on another video, I believe I can see what Loppy is looking to enforce.
A high defensive line, playing the ball further up the pitch, at times on Saturday we we’re over half way very quickly, so this will continue and our attacks develop on the wings with Somerville and kudus
I have faith
Big up, Frankie. I know weve had our disagreements footballing wise, but I have to give him credit, he's never erratic. I can feel his calmness through the screen and the video hasn't even started yet. COYI
You didn’t have to deal with him on Saturday at 1pm 😂
@@HammersChat LOL
In answer to David Sullivan blaming our director of football and head coach,, how many managers has the chairman had working for him? Is every manager useless,, ,,,or is it David Sullivan who needs to get the sack?
Every time us fans start to get a bit of optimism, we always get dragged back down to earth. It normally comes down to one common denominator.....our owner. The guy doesn't deserve us.
Nothing ever changes ultimately and there's only one common denominator...and ironically it's feelings about the owner that is about the only thing that generally unites the fans in these sadly divided times.
The owners deserve some credit. They have improved the finances, won a trophy and delivered European football. When they took over a lot of us thought this was just marketing but they have delivered
Some people will never get over the Upton park thing. Who am I to say they should. They are certainly not perfect but look around at the big clubs in recent years. Who has had a smooth ride?
Didn’t Steiden bring in Rodriguez, Mavrapanos, Guillherme, Fullkrug?? That is a waste of money in my eyes and can’t believe everyone is spunking over Steiden. Not getting a young, pacy forward and wasting 40 million on fullkrug and Guilherme is criminal.
Were 5 games into the season and your already writing off players. The problem is Sullivan not steitden.
I agree - that money wasted could have paid for Duran and Antrim - so poor from the club ( all the management)
Sullivan doing what Sullivan does best.
Some not so good results & he throws people under the bus
He’s a narcissist gaslighter.
He’s STILL West Ham’s biggest problem.
One issue is there isn’t alternative managers available. Does anyone fancy Edin Turzic?
Circus is back in town
Just when you think "Oh we've actually matured", Sullivan rises up like The Undertaker.
If we had got Ruben Amorin and we had the start we've had I would be very confident he would sort it out.
With this guy I really don't.
That's the difference for me.
big up top man Frank!
Sullivan always goes for the cheap option. He's full of bollocks.
Sullivan is solid owner, its the fickle fans
Solid owner? Comedy gold!😂
Whilst sullivan is at the helm it'll continue being a merry go round. Just go and take Brady with you
I think u have to give lopetegui time, but not too much time. At the end of the day, it's not like we are getting someone young, fresh and vibrant who we would be happy giving more time. It doesn't have the same affect with lopetegui because he's not fresh and has been around the block. Patience is wearing thin
I have given you and Gonzo a thumbs up already, But here's one to Frankie for his contributions 👍
Thank you Gary, we need them on every video 😂
I can see a last minute Ben Johnson winner for Ipswich on the horizon…
my favorite duo of west ham presenters always look forward to hearing you guy.s keep up the great work midget out Steve
Sullivan is such a weasel. Tim has been a model professional in supporting the company line despite Loppy clearly being Sully's choice, There's no chance he would undermine the new head coach. With regard to Loppy I'm giving him until Xmas to at least have an opinion, I will say that team selection and tactics have got me a bit concerned. But I love his attitude on substitions and changing system in-game. I think the players need to step up too though.
Is it too much to ask for a professional organisation to act professional? It's always the same silly games year after year. How about everyone on the board just accepts that we are in a crap position right now. We have spent big money, so when that big money leads to further stagnation in the club, you would think there would be a plan of action, but no instead we argue amongst ourselves (members of the club and the fanbase!), become the joke of the premier league and then the blaming game begins once again. Just for once I want to see some unity and some accountability.
We are only as strong as our weakest link, and in this case all links are equally as weak and are only getting weaker as the days pass by. Get your bloody act together as any regular business who is underperforming would, and fight for what us West Ham fans are long overdue... Some bloody good results
Sullivan's behaviour is the reason why top managers will always be disinterested in the West Ham job.
I dream of the day when we will be run like a well oiled machine a competent professional football club.
Who was our fastest defender .? Why not put him against Jackson.?⚒⚒⚒
Interesting to see what direction they take with Guillerme
This whole situation reminds me of the Pellegrini raine , if we’re losing it’s everybody’s fault.
Yes there are issues with Lopetegui current method of tactics, but give the guy and players some time to get it right. We as fans need to keep calm and believe in the process. The more we kick off the more the media loves it. COYI ⚒. Don’t panic Mr Mannering.
It's not happening with this fella, I've seen it all before ...you just KNOW
I had my doubts about Lopetegui when I learnt he had suddenly left Wolves and had hoped he would quell my doubts but no good investment in a striker this summer hasn’t done so. Sullivan is a cheapskate and Lopetegui only got the job because he was cheap. Another season filled with disappointment ahead of us.
We spent a lot of money,early days but it just doesnt look like we spent it well and didnt address the lack of pace and power in midfield or up top
Thing is our fans wanted Moyes out and now this is what they get becareful what you wish for
@@Foorless26are you mad? Very few apart from Sullivan wanted this manager, I hope he can turn this around and he gets my support for now but be honest, he wasn’t our choice.
@@garywagner2227 Tim was responsible
I don’t see them sacking him. It would cost them too much. We need to keep our fingers crossed and hope we develop a solid structure with an occasional goal threat.
Ipswich are a decent footballing side who have drawn their last 3 away games.
They have nothing to lose when they come to us. We will be under pressure and it will be interesting to see how the team and crowd react. It won't be an easy game because they won't make it that and we shouldn't expect to win. Hoping of course that we do 😬
My take. We knew Loppy wasnt really Steidten first choie early doors, they had come to accept eah other. that acceptance was given as a Steidten choosing him rather than accepting him. Sullivan being snidey
First I hope the blame culture is exaggerated, because if it is not these people will not be able to work together. This will be to the detriment of the club. I don't think the concept of a transitional manager is a sound one unless it is agreed with the manager. I see no evidence that Lopetegui is working on that basis.
While I liked Moyes I am able to move on. But while he was here he was blamed for a lot of things that were at least in part systemic and now we are seeing them play out.
The goals conceded last season which was due to the deterioration of Zouma who despite having knee problems was still our best CB. The conservative football which had a lot to do with playing twice a week for most of the season and not having the training time to work on things.
Lopetegui has a much easier hand to play. He has most of our best player from last season, new defenders and at least an option at striker. Equally important no European football so he will have a lot more quality time in training. He will also be able to press the opposition as the players won't have so many miles in their legs.
I think his main headwind is the teams he is competing with are ahead of us in their project and better financed. They now also have a head start. There will also be an issue sorting out the best defensive formation and personnel,. Eight goals in three home games tells a story.
I would take 10th today if it were offered. There are seven teams better financed and further ahead in the projects than us plus Bournemouth, Brighton, Villa and now Forest who look like dark horses this year.
I can see Eden Terzic in if it all goes tits up. The German link up between him and Steidten and the man to get the best out of Fulkrug and Mavropanos.
If this doesn't work out I can Sullivan Steidten getting the chop too
Terzic is far better than Lopetegui. Dortmund are my favourite German club & they played good football under him.
We've had a rough couple of starting games, but there's a long season ahead! Its gonna take 2 years to build up a team. We're gonna finish in the 7th-10th bracket with a completely new team and new manager. Time heals all wounds 😁
Thank you guys for a very thoughtful presentation.I am still hopeful of us getting things together.But,the next two premier league games are crucial to our manager getting my support.He was as woeful as most of our players against Chelsea.And that is very concerning.Sullivan’s foolish influence will never change!He is the king of wacky behaviour,full stop.Until we have different progressive owners,we will always be on this merry-go-round!Thanks again fellas, enjoyed the show.COYI⚒️
The problem is, the club spent a lot of money and if, if we did get a new manager say at the end of the season a new manager would want to have some spends and I think we're spent out.
My God. If it’s this toxic now. Imagine if he loses the next two league games? After we won Europa Conference, I certainly did t see this in our future. Makes me incredibly sad. We were on the cusp of making the step into next level football. Now feels like we are free falling down further than we ever have been.
My problem with all this is that I don't agree with the director of football/coach structure. I manage a team at work and I recruit them. Yes, I have to run it past my boss, but I'm in charge. I'd hate it if someone who wouldn't be working with them day to day signed people on my behalf
Once again we missed opportunities to get a younger, vibrant manager/coach. On most fans choice Lopetegui was #5 or 6 on their list.
Fans wanted a change from Moyes and they didn’t get it! Older players, similar boring tactics, one striker, we get battered! What changed?
I think once we get a few positive results we will look back on these first five games and admit that it was difficult to see more than seven points. Four points is disappointing, bit it is not disastrous.The performance against Chelsea is a different matter. Lessons need to be learned from that, and quickly.
Frankie *
Sullivan please sell up
Vertical as well as Horizontal lines.
I agree with Frankie Moyes was a smoke screen and was an easy scape goat for the board and that fans could blame
I get the feeling Tim agreed to floppy on the basis he plays string football, but loppys version of that is a ultra high line. I think loppy will revert to a more defensive style in a game or two . But he no way was Tim’s pick he’s nothing like amharim
5.30 min in thats how i view it and basically i agree with it all
What did we say at this point? I can’t recall or play it back atm
@@HammersChat gotta watch the rest atm 😂? it was to do with Tim agreeing to Jlo ..prob not his choice ?
Only 5 games and some WHU fans are making mugs of themselves demanding Lopetegui be sacked. Sullivan is the perpetual pantomime villain, but it's his money which has brought us from the Iceland circus to comfortable Premier League. Amorim was never coming to us, and Duran was never coming to us either - Amorim was flushing Liverpool out and Villa had already given Duran the No. 9 shirt. This season is about consolidation and transition, we've been beaten at home by three teams that were probably always beating us. Give it until Christmas and then assess where we are, if only to quiten the TalkSport muppets itching to troll us.
Agree with some of that but disagree a lot about fans making mugs of themselves, it’s just their opinions.
Am a good bit away from panicking (maybe if we lost to Brentford and fail to beat Ipswich but unsure that’ll happen) but fans are entitled to think what they wish, they’re not mugs just because we don’t agree.
I disagree about the Duran part of your comment but that’s fine, doesn’t mean you are a mug, we just have different opinions.
Life’s tough enough without calling people names for having different opinions. Some may think you are a mug for waiting until Christmas if we lose every game until then but that’s your view.
Chris Sutton, Jim White & Jeff Sterling are Moyes loving end of a b3lls 🤡
I think it will click, like geo said, beat Ipswich and Brentford we’ll forget about it. Playing against city villa and Chelsea who are big ball playing teams when we’re trying to do that shows some change. however they’re millions of pounds spent showed their class on the counter. It’s also 6 competitive games in, he still don’t know his best 11 which is a concern but it’ll work itself out and come good. Keep faith
I think Lopetegui has the Brentford and Ipswich games to show us what he can do. To me it's not much. It's like the players have been blindfolded, they run around and haven't a clue where they are going, just bumping into one another.
There is too much drama from all corners of west ham. But what’s new there? We are unbeaten away from home and lost 3 games at home that if spread over the course of the season would likely be disappointing but understandable given the quality of the opposition. Record in all comps do far this season is won 2, drawn 1 lost 3.
Does that mean Saturday wasn’t worrying? No. Does that mean much improvement on the tactical side of things is required? Absolutely. But saying a failure to win against Liverpool or Brentford could lead to a toxic atmosphere for the Ipswich game is the exact nonsense that creates such things in the first place. People need to get off their dramatic high horse and back the team, back the manager and show them they are with them. They could start by driving a stronger and more sustained atmosphere at the London stadium. One that away teams are actually afraid of. Right now it’s far too easy to silence the home crowd and feels like the players have to earn the right to be supported when they should be being driven on by the passion that clearly lies within their massive fan base.
COYI
The poison dwarf just cant help himself he has to interfere.. we all know why Loppi is in the hot seat. whispers in ears by agent cronies cheapest option and yes Loppi can do a presentation and yes moyes left us in a really bad way that will take more than a few games to get sorted but a lot of coaches have hit the ground running and got the best out of what they have . Brigton ,forest come to mind straight away . Apart from times in city game he is not filling me with confidence. Trolls from other clubs steaming in and moyesettes in media but he needs to start cracking on and leaarn from chelsea game.
Ref Steidtens job "you have nailed it"
And here it is geo. It only took 5 premier league games for everyone to slowly start turning their heads towards Sullivan...
Last year, apparently, the problem was Moyes. He's not here to take the blame for dinosaur tactics and being too negative anymore so what do we do?
We do what what we've always done and find someone to blame.
Let's say we lose all our home and away fixtures to the top 6 or 7 sides, but we win our home games against the others..
and get a win and a draw away to those teams aswel...
Then we probably end up in Europe.
Technically, we're on track.
SULLIVAN AND BRADY OUT
So, a Company can't employ a salesman who impressed on interview and then after 3 months failing to secure an order, call him out as rubbish? Really? How is this the Directors fault?
The only constant is Sullivan and he won’t change, rather he doubles down on the divide and rule he always reverts to, that’s a massive problem as it engenders anger within the fanbase. Let’s be honest if the results and performances continue to disappoint he’ll simply throw more chaff out there to redirect the blame from him, the fallout from that will just make things much worse.
What was the club in Europe Who's fans signed a petition to stop appointing Lopetegui.
Says it all
Lopetegui was out of work 12 months had plenty of time to draw up a wanted list, & has been WHU since DM left the way were playing you'd think we he never had a pre-season or signed his own ''Wants'', we're looking like the laziest team in the league.
The players have to take some if blame. Bowen time for a team meeting skipper
West ham are to slow in midfield and at CB .
Personally don’t want Moyes football tactics(as defensively it wasn’t improving)Not enjoying this current form of Jlop tactics but don’t want him sacked,Sullivan is the type of owner I really don’t like and his style of business attitude disgusting…So our ownership is the point I have always wanted removed.
Isn’t this panic a little too early ?let’s give it 10 more games before we start the blame game . Whilst highly unlikely say we beat Liverpool tonight and win next 2 Prem games , will we be having same conversations?
I agree, I get why some have extreme reservations as have plenty myself but am far from panicking.
Immaturity, insecurity & small-mindedness, to me, is tittle-tattle which should have remained behind closed. It undermines J-Lo IMO.
Easy looking home game coming up to save the managers job, this all sounds very familiar doesn't it, ffs
Billy smart Sullivan
It's not about the players, it's about the coach and his lack of tactics. 🤬🤬
Dear, dear. I wish sullivan would keep his mouth shut. Think many fans are overreacting. Don't care who has signed who. We've got what we've got: and it's quite a good squad. Most of the media want JL to fail, many fans are perhaps rightly frustrated, but winning will cure most of this, as long as we don't get to toxic and start finger pointing....Mr Sullivan.
Southgate apparently favourite for Everton job if Dyche goes,we need Loppy to work or its back to Moyes 😂
If Moyes sets foot near this club the ground would be more then half empty
Isn't Brady quite fond of Dyche as well? Imagine we get him instead of Moyes 🤣
@@ralphenjoyingthesun4233will just be full of more tourists
Interestingly he hasn’t done worse than Moyes first 8 or 9 games so far. Just adding some perspective compared to the man who could not be sacked. 😇😈. In reality as cynical as I am, what we are seeing beyond results is deeply worrying, can’t remember as a spectator seeing such a completely deluded set up as we saw on Saturday that from nearly everyone from fans to pundits was head shaking in its inappropriateness. Always thought we would struggle at first due to the change in personnel, I accepted his sticking with Moyes players early on as a result, but what we see is well beyond those reservations about expected competitiveness this season early on.
The buck stops with Sullivan.
This club is never going to progress with Sullivan & Co in that boardroom!
I’ve always said, the rot starts at the top. Board out. Sullivan and Gold out.
All that money spent and 2024 continues to be one our worst years.COYBI
Roll up roll up send out the clown
We've got a good chance of beating Liverpool by using a distraction technique, we need J-Lo to wear a pair of bumless cowboy wigwam flared jeans. 👖👀
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We got to stop worrying and get behind the team . We lost against Chelsea. City. And villa .
we should throw the liverpool game in protest againts the crooked draw we were drawn as the home side
Imo Jlo has till Matchday 15 for me. Or he is OUT OUT.
5 games more max for me if i dont see an improvement in tactics and i dont want Moyes ball
Sullivans ego . Can't accept steitden being the face of the club . As he never appointed him It was a DK appointment .
Is Slopy a manager or a coach. Everyone keeps saying Slopy the manager?
Both I guess, his official title is head coach but basically manager minus control over transfers
Sullivan ? Always involves controversy on sullivan.
The circus continues at this club i am so fed up with it now !!
Next it will be he has 3 games. 🥴
Absolutely
I'm dreading that shit, but it feels inevitable if results don't start pick up
Nothing will ever change until sullivan is gone.