I owned the PPQ in .45 and after I bought the P320 .45, I sold my PPQ. I just fell in love with this pistol and it became my EDC that very same day. Good luck finding the P320 .45 now though.
Сareful, lots of accidental discharges from P320. Lost a friend in the beginning of the month . P320 shot inside the holster (appendix )he carried one in the chamber and it hit his femoral artery and he bled out . Might want to reconsider the choice for EDC. Google it yourself . There are many lawsuits against Sig
Just picked up the PPQ .45 and oh boy! It handles recoil like a 9mm gun! It’s 1911 accurate and a dream to shoot. Nicest striker fired trigger on the market
WOW!!! You made a statement about the out of the box, or issued Colt .45. Extremely accurate with an excellent combat. The Walther is a superior trigger with an accuracy that sonnets should be sung. The Walther is even better.
Thanks for this review. I have the FNX 45 Tactical but that's way too big to edc. Was looking for a 45 carry option. This helped me make my choice. 320 based on recoil management, night sights, and aftermarket support.
I am very pleased owning a Walther PPQ M2 45. It is an excellent quality handgun, very accurate, with a smooth trigger pull, and great ergonomics. Dependable, with a mag capacity of 12+1, the PPQ M2 45 is truly a gem of a pistol. I carry it concealed often for protection and security.
That reset,on the PPQ 45 is awesome .I have 3 different 45s,and the PPQ is my go to gun,over the other 2. Long live the PPQ 45! The is the first gun I ever heard Hickok45,say He would seriously think about changing over to for the Glock 21 ,He loves.That is just One of many reasons I got the PPQ45.
I really enjoyed the review and evaluation of the two firearms. The objective comparison and contrast was informative and educational for the enthusiast and novice alike. I own the PPQ and P320 in .45ACP and .40 S&W. The German engineering and overall quality is second to none. The after market support is where the P320 shines and the trigger on the PPQ is in first place!!! Great video and keep up the good work.
Sig P320 is a great gun. That being said..mthe Walther PPQ is the PERFECT GUN. No comparison in my opinion. Walther PPQ is the best polymer striker fired pistol on the market right now. Glock..H&K..Sig..M&P..XD..all of them are awesome. But the PPQ is even better.
I have the Creed, PPS M2 and a PPQ Navy SD on the way. Walther is an excellent manufacturer. Sig is great but very proud of their stuff. Their price reflects that.
Well Walther perfected 9mm full and compact frame strikers with PPQ series but once we come down to subcompact ... neither Walther nor Sig are making great guns (good .... yes .... great .... no) with subcompact HK VP9SK wins hands down. Now when it comes to 0.45ACP there are only 2 type of guns 1911 and everything else ...
After renting the Sig P320 45 acp at my local range, I was completely amazed how it performed. It felt as if I was a 9 mm! For the first time, I was hitting center mass from 8 yds. out. Got a good grouping hitting head shots too. The following week I traded in my Glock GAP 45 for the P320, and never looked back.
82 Luft People seem to like finding reasons to hate on Sigs, but one thing they can't hate is how Sigs have such soft-shooting and accurate handguns in the "higher" calibers like the P220 and P227. I'm hearing great things about the P320 45acp as well. I've had both the 220 and 227 in 45 and they really felt no different than shooting most full size 9mm's, hardly any snappiness at all. And if you like shooting the 10mm, the P220 in 10 is simply amazing.
82 Luft, there is no comparison. The PPQ will outshoot the P320 all day long. At 21ft probably not much difference but once you get past 30ft the PPQ rules
That's my exact same story. This past weekend I was at the range. Rented. The attendant recommended it to me. I wasn't too thrilled about it until I shot it. Never shot ANY 45 as good as this one. It does feel like a 9mm. I think I found my next pistol.
I just ordered the Sig P320 .45 full size. Most of my life I have shot and have a few guns. This will be my first Sig & my first .45. Honestly I am a little nervous to try a new brand of gun with a new caliber. If I had purchased the .45 from Glock I think I would have felt slightly more at ease, however, would have been disappointed to pass up the Sig. Thanks for the video. The information was detailed and good quality.
Go for it, Robert. The P320 45 runs rings around the Glock. You'll be amazed at its mild recoil and accuracy. After all, didn't the Army choice its kid brother for their next generation sidearm? That alone should make you move on it.
Outstanding comparison between these two suburb pistols. Every bit worth the 33 min. review. I own the Sig P320 45 and love it. when shooting, I have to look twice making sure that I'm not firing my P320 9 mm! That's how mild the recoil is on this gun. The trigger pull feels much less than 8 lbs. Sweet. Excellent, quick reset too. Choice? No contest. The Sig Sauer hands down.
Great Video - Of course it was a month or two late and I couldn't wait! So I have both and you are pretty spot on. I too am a Walther fan and I have to agree with everything you said. Sig grip is better but I still stuck a Talon on it as well as the PPQ .45. Once I put the Talon on the PPQ, the flip calmed down quite a bit. I do like the way the PPQ Points and seems to get back on target pretty quick even with the touch more flip. I seemed to be a little more accurate with the PPQ but the Sig P320F can also put nice groups down range. Either gun is a great buy and both have strengths and really no weaknesses.
One thing about testing/measuring the trigger pull on the P320....you'll probably get a different reading if you test the pull with a magazine in the pistol with a dummy round pushing up on the slide as it would with a loaded mag. Like some Glocks, with a magazine out of the gun, you can actually see the slide lifting/moving a bit as you pull the trigger and the sear pulls off the striker. Adds a tiny bit of extra resistance before the break. But with a round in the mag keeping the slide pushed up from below, there's on 'give' as the sear just slides off the striker. You can feel a little bit of difference, the latter having a smoother and cleaner creep before the break.
You are right, the PPQ 45 have a polygonal barrel from the beginning. All new PPQ Pistols have a polygonal barrel now and a slightly different slide shape at the ejection port.
Another Great Video!! You know I Love the 45ACP Pistols! My 45 PPQ trigger is just over 4 pounds too. I love my Sig 320 Compact in 9mm, maybe I should look at the Compact or Carry 320 in 45ACP. Good to hear that you thought the recoil was controlled well in the full size P320, and I love it that you can get it with night sights from the factory. I enjoyed the Show my friend. Beretta Sr.
+BERETTA9mmUSA Thanks man! It's a shame the .45 chassis is not compatible with the other calibers or you could just get a kit and spend a bit less. But at least once you have it, you can get different sizes. I just finally got a kit for the full sized 9mm.
Great video! A little feedback... The Walther is on the left in the video and the list of specs is on the right and vice versa. Should have been the other way around.
Great coverage of both .45s. I held off on getting a p320 for a while but after picking up a p320 rx I fell in love with the platform. Very few people are covering the p320 .45 so it's good to see a head to head video out there with one of the better .45s on the market.
Both seem to be great, not sure if I will get either one though. As usual, another high quality video production. You sure got some good groups out of them both. I just picked up my first PPQ today, albeit the 22LR model. I will say, it feels amazing in the hand. I already own two P320's, one in 9 and the other is 40. Only negative I can come up with on the P320's is the feel of the polymer. It just feels kind of tinny or cheap, I don't know how else to explain it. However, it has a better feeling trigger than most other striker fired pistols. It might not be light but I love the solid, smooth metal feel of the P320's trigger. Thanks for another great video, have a nice day.
+fumasterchu12 The grip frame of the P320 is slightly less "substantial" than many others - but it is designed to be a replaceable commodity (somewhere around $45) as opposed to a serialized permanent component like traditional poly guns. I think for that reason there is a lesser investment in it. I think that's probably the reason. As for the trigger - I agree completely. One of my favorite triggers, and seems very consistent from one pistol to the next.
I think I'll just add some Talon grips to my 320's and call it perfect. I don't think they're getting enough press, they really are nice shooters. I also bought an extra sub compact frame to switch out with either chassis.
Yet another outstanding review. Is the racking the slide on the Sig p320 45 easier than racking the slide on the Springfield XDM 45? I've got the Springfield and my wife cannot work the slide, but she does like the 9mm Sig p320 action and can work that slide like a champ. Way different strength in the recoil springs. I would appreciate your perspective, thanks.
Nice review. Looking for a new .45 and wasn't considering the P320...now I am. My friend has a Walther P99 in .40 and it is very snappy. Not the most pleasant gun to shoot. After holding it I noticed how the grip is further down the gun...closer to the barrel than most guns. Probably for ergonomics. If you think of the where your thumb hits the beaver tail as an axis for the gun to pivot on (during recoil)....the PPQs axis is further down the slide if you draw a vertical line. This is easy to see just looking at the two you have in the vid. The point I'm making is that if your hand is further down the slide during recoil then more mass (the slide) is moving past your wrist as it slides back...making muzzle rise more likely. Just a theory. What do you think?
Your observations and assumptions have merit. I'm not an engineer or ergonomics expert, but the way levers and fulcrums work certainly plays a significant role in felt recoil and muzzle lift.
Great comparison video! Just for fun I reviewed the shooting footage to compare recoil at .25 speed, and it does look like the PPQ has marginally more 'bounce' as you are fighting the recoil to stabilize for the next shot. The PPQ seems to take 2.5 to 3 large oscillations to damp down, while the Sig seemed to be closer to 2. Oddly though, I measured the time it took for you to get the muzzle back to level/horizontal, and you were faster with the PPQ, as were your successive follow-up shots. This is far from a scientific analysis, but I used a stopwatch and repeated the measurements several times to even out error on my part. As to the PPQ trigger reset, I've noticed that what people attribute to additional 'takeup' after the reset is not actually additional takeup, but rather the consequence of the reset being so springy, tactile and positive. If you carefully release after a trigger break, you'll see that the reset does not have any additional travel, but unless you have an iron finger, there tends to be a little slippage when the reset is reached. Perhaps this is what people mean anyway?
+Myanameis Beestingz Wow - you have some serious free time! ;-) I like your analysis though. You're very observant, because it is the "dip down" of the muzzle that is actually more to blame for the sensation of "flip" for me. I think this is because I am applying more forward pressure to compensate for more recoil and muzzle lift - so it becomes a spring. Oscillation is a good description for that. I'm sure that one were to fire just that one gun for enough time to get proficient, you'd apply just the right force and have little to no "dip". Thanks for the very interesting and informative comment!
Justin Opinion That's what I do on my days off- watch Justin Opinion vids and then go shoot my Walthers. ; ) Still watching your vids doesn't take nearly as much time as it does to make them I'm sure! Your videos are a huge asset to the shooting community- I just might have to give the 320 another chance- your videos are very persuasive while being as objective as possible.
I was skimming through the posts to see if anyone addressed this. I didn’t use a stop watch but to me it looked like the ppq did not flip as high up and was back to target quicker. I was very interested to hear Justin to say he felt the opposite. Nice to hear the stats too! Also, I was waiting for a remark in the review regarding the hand height vs barrel. The beaver tail on the dog seemed to keep the hand lower on the gun than on the ppq. The ppq has the little cut away under the trigger guard and without the lower beaver tail it seemed to me the hand was higher which should lessen the flip. Again, surprised Justin felt otherwise. Note, I have never held either of these pistols.
I agree 100%, I think it's perception on Justin's part. He was much quicker on target with the PPQ even though he complain about the sites too. LOL And that snappiness I think is because the recoil is distributed more horizontally into the hand than upwards. So you feel more in the hand but the muzzle "flip" if you will is actually less because of that. I've always been interested in the Barretta .45 for the reason of the rotating barrel, always wondered if it keeps muzzle flip down even more.
Justin, great video!!! Can you tell me who makes the range bags in front of you and to your left side ( earth colored) 1:40 into the video and if by chance you have the model number that would be great too. Thanks in advance for the hard work, I'm going to pick up the 320 tomorrow!
WOW, those are a couple of sexy pistols! I'm looking at the USP lineup right now. My buddy is telling me to go with the 45, we'll see. You're a darn good shot Justin.
John Faggello I've heard this so when I held one at my local Cabelas I used my nail and surely enough,it left a scratch.....a freaking finger nail man.....
Been following the .45 ACP striker fired videos, looks like the P320 is holding on as top dog. Hope to see a future video soon comparing it to the elephant in the room, the Glock 21 Gen4. Thanks for your really well done videos, and of course the ducks!
Another great review. One of your best ever!! (IMO). I'm surprised that the PPQ was snappier than the Sig 320. I like both triggers! With the (apparent high bore axis) I would have thought it would have been the snappier shooter. Though a fan of the PPQ (9mm), in this case, I would have to go with the Sig 320 in .45.
Thank you for another great review. Looks like I'm going to have to add the .45 to my other P320' in 9mm. Slightly OT, can you believe that in Illinois, caliber X-change kits are not allowed?
Sigelitedark Thats really the issue these days, we are surrounded by these uneducated ideas and people. I have a feeling its going to get a lot worse before it gets better, though I hope it doesn't. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
I have a p320 in 45! Love it, and was thinking about my next gun being the PPQ 45... Thanks so much for doing this comparison! Excellent review... Pete
Thats a beaut of a Walther. Enjoyed the video thank you. But I must say that having the stats over the opposite gun was a tad confusing as I was trying to read them and look at the gun and listen to you also. Would be much better to switch the stat overlay around.
I've been watching your sig p320 45 vs I have a sig p320 45 and I wanted to compare them to others I recently bout a g21 gen 4 and I love the p320 so thanks for your vids p.s new sub
I’ve never fired a P320. But I was pretty surprised how heavy the trigger was. My other striker fired pistols are 4-6lbs. It must have a really clean break or something if it’s that heavy and shoots well easily. Because I fired a s&w sd40ve with a 8.5” lb trigger and it was a nightmare.
This review is excellent; very thorough! 2 questions: if you were to recommend one of these to a woman, who has a hand that is small to medium, which would it be? Have you tried the steel dpms recoil assembly in the ppq, and does it help with muzzle flip and target acquisition?
Just out of curiosity whats is the cost of the SIG 320 compare to the Walther PPQ 45 also the great thing about the Walther you can upgrade the sight to whatever you like and a stainless steel guide can be purchase for the Walther
Awesome video! Question, the SIG 45 trigger group cannot interchange with their 9mm/40S&W correct? Thanks for making great content videos and great video clarity!
Easy choice for me. The PPQ 👍 because of appearance, slide lock, capacity, weight, ERGOs, & especially the TRIGGER !!! However I like them both A LOT, so I think I'll get BOTH. PROBLEM SOLVED! Thx, Best Regards from HOT Phx., Az. 👍😋🇺🇸
I have medium size hands. What is the width of each pistol at the part of the Grip where the web of your hand is? The web between the thumb and index finger. FYI, the Sig P320 subcompact in 9mm is snappy. Will have to rent both of these 45's to see what the recoil feels like.
I wonder if the PPQ has more muscle flip than many other 45 hand guns because the grip sets more forward on the slide than the other hand guns. There seems to be less slide weight hanging out in front of your hand with the PPQ, where the P320 was most of the slide out in front of your hand.
I've shot neither but I'd go for the Walther PPQ REGARDLESS! Walther just makes GREAT guns! Too bad I CANNOT get one over here in California where they like to INFRINGE ON YOUR GUN RIGHTS!
+Tony Viera How does it compare to the factory trigger? I have a 9mm and heard about the Apex but couldn't imagine how they could improve the factory PPQ trigger.
It doesn't change the trigger pull weight so if you're ok with it now you should be after. There is quite a bit less take up than before so you would have to get use to that.
***** he was only doing striker fire I'm talking capacity and quality like these two I would spend my money on the quality they just striker fire and the hk usp 45 and the fnx 45 can compete with these two by them being hammer fire which I think is better would do a pretty good job all of them work flawless bottom line I would get one maybe all four them two and the hk and fn
I don't know what the fuck you're using your gun for, but why would you need that much more ammunition in a gun that will probably kill someone in two shots or less?
Same reason you'd need 18 rounds in a glock 17. Because you can. I suppose you would go to war with a derringer and expect to come home unscathed and alive eh? The point is the FNX45 holds 15 rounds of 45 ACP, a SAR K2 hold 14 and a glock 21 holds 13. I suppose there's no good reason those manufacturers thought that it was important to have a high capacity 45. 10 rounds is not high capacity and claiming double stack with 10 rounds is laughable.
center of gravity on the Walther is further forward than the Sig Sauer which contributes to it being "snappier" than the Sig, which uses that forward weight to counteract recoil on the P320.
Great video....i already have the walther .....but honestly I carry a p99 in 9mm .....prefer the AS trigger for a carry firearm.....wish they made one in .45, again great comparison.....
never held a p320 so can't speak on that...but the ppq 45 is a badass pistol. my tenifer finish is flawless and will not scratch. Not the case on my other ppqs. my 9 and 40 made in '14 and '15 were scratched right out of the box. walther must have stepped up their game on finishes.
I have an unusual questions, want to get another 45ACP to go with my SA 1911. I have narrowed it down to four guys in different classes. Striker Fired Duty Size --- Walther PPQ 45 Striker Fired Long Slide -- Glock 41 Hammer Fired Duty Size -- Sig P227 Hammer Fired Duty Size with a rotating barrel -- Beretta PX4 Storm in 45ACP I know you are fond of the Sig P227 and the PPQ 45, not sure about how you feel on the Glock 41 and the PX4 Storm. I know these are all different, but unfortunately, none are available for me to actually shoot at a range near me, so, have to go on valued opinions. In terms of shoot ability, reliability, accuracy how would you rank these four and did I miss one. (Did not include the P320 cause the PPQ just felt better in my hands holding it, was not able to shoot either, so, not sure if it would be different shooting them) Thanks for your help. By the way, I really enjoy your videos, thanks for all the hard work.
I did and liked it, but for the price the PPQ was every bit as good at the range where I compared them. I have a VP9 and love it, but got a good price on it, else would have done the PPQ M2 in 9mm for same reason.
Mark Badia: Stop with your laundry list, Mark. Go rent a P320 at the range. This suburb pistol will defiantly turn out to be at the top of your list. It made me a believer.
When you were discussing the differences at the beginning, you had the PPQ info overtop the P320 and vice versa, and that was VERY VERY CONFUSING as you were gesturing and holding them up.
Excellent comparison video! You confirmed the snappier PPQ 45 that I noticed from other PPQ 45 videos. And from what I've seen the Glock 21 is much smoother with less muzzle flip than the Walther. At my gun store the Sig P320 "carry" had a weird trigger that when dry fired had the normal "click" for firing, followed by more travel and a second "click" to stop. The salesman didn't have anything to say about that....I have a FNX 45 of which I'm very happy with. Any videos of that?
+Schuster Thanks. Yeah, I noticed the muzzle flip with my first shot and am surprised others aren't mentioning it. I don't view it as a horrible thing - just a fact. Still a great pistol - but if you don't like the snappiness it makes a difference. The trigger system in the P320 line do have a 'click' when dry fired - it is normal and does not do any damage. FNX-45 is on my list and has been for some time. Would love to put that head to head with the HK 45.
What our friend has not admitted is that he has an eye drift. Please adjust the sights to your eye. This firearm, is the penitential of out of the box, .45 accuracy. My Colts are also extremely accurate, but the Walther trigger is the very best, out of the box trigger on the market. I take that back. The Walther is world famous for a reason. That reason is pre S&W engineering.
+ahernandez1080, thanks for the response. I have since checked them out at my LGS. Not impressed with the polymer on these guns and a bit disappointed considering its a SIG. I am assuming they are cheap because of the chassis system and easily replaced, assuming you can easily find the frames. Conversely, I also inspected a Beretta APX, which is another polymer/chassis based firearm. Without getting into a Beretta/SIG war, I can honestly state the polymer frame on the Beretta seemed quite a bit more robust and better manufactured.
Love this sig feels great shoots great just bought it for unfortunately after 300 rounds and a complete cleaning and lube it will not cycle a single 10 round mag stays out of battery just slightly after every round or 2
Considering that 9mm is way more popular caliber the choice of the .45 guns though unconventional, still applicable and useful for those who use 9mm guns. You control both guns very well, the groups are a tiny bit better with the Sig, while Walther's trigger is the best in class. I wondered if a flashlight attached to a Walther could help reduce its snappiness?
I have the Walther PPQ .45. Very good and less of a recoil than you think and trigger is very good. I'd never trust the P320 under any circumstances because of the dropsy shootee.
I owned the PPQ in .45 and after I bought the P320 .45, I sold my PPQ. I just fell in love with this pistol and it became my EDC that very same day. Good luck finding the P320 .45 now though.
Сareful, lots of accidental discharges from P320. Lost a friend in the beginning of the month . P320 shot inside the holster (appendix )he carried one in the chamber and it hit his femoral artery and he bled out . Might want to reconsider the choice for EDC. Google it yourself . There are many lawsuits against Sig
Just picked up the PPQ .45 and oh boy! It handles recoil like a 9mm gun! It’s 1911 accurate and a dream to shoot. Nicest striker fired trigger on the market
WOW!!! You made a statement about the out of the box, or issued Colt .45. Extremely accurate with an excellent combat. The Walther is a superior trigger with an accuracy that sonnets should be sung. The Walther is even better.
Thanks for this review. I have the FNX 45 Tactical but that's way too big to edc. Was looking for a 45 carry option. This helped me make my choice. 320 based on recoil management, night sights, and aftermarket support.
I am very pleased owning a Walther PPQ M2 45. It is an excellent quality handgun, very accurate, with a smooth trigger pull, and great ergonomics. Dependable, with a mag capacity of 12+1, the PPQ M2 45 is truly a gem of a pistol. I carry it concealed often for protection and security.
true its still relevant in 2024
I own the Walther ppq sc 9mm, and I wouldn’t get rid of that gun for nothing! Best guns out there in my opinion!!👍🏼👍🏼😎
I own the Walther ppq sc 9mm, and I wouldn’t get rid of that gun for nothing! Best guns out there in my opinion!!👍🏼👍🏼😎
That reset,on the PPQ 45 is awesome .I have 3 different 45s,and the PPQ is my go to gun,over the other 2. Long live the PPQ 45!
The is the first gun I ever heard Hickok45,say He would seriously think about changing over to for the Glock 21 ,He loves.That is just
One of many reasons I got the PPQ45.
I really enjoyed the review and evaluation of the two firearms. The objective comparison and contrast was informative and educational for the enthusiast and novice alike. I own the PPQ and P320 in .45ACP and .40 S&W. The German engineering and overall quality is second to none. The after market support is where the P320 shines and the trigger on the PPQ is in first place!!! Great video and keep up the good work.
Sig P320 is a great gun. That being said..mthe Walther PPQ is the PERFECT GUN. No comparison in my opinion. Walther PPQ is the best polymer striker fired pistol on the market right now. Glock..H&K..Sig..M&P..XD..all of them are awesome. But the PPQ is even better.
I have the Creed, PPS M2 and a PPQ Navy SD on the way. Walther is an excellent manufacturer. Sig is great but very proud of their stuff. Their price reflects that.
King Savage what’s a DX? Do you own an XD?
Well Walther perfected 9mm full and compact frame strikers with PPQ series but once we come down to subcompact ... neither Walther nor Sig are making great guns (good .... yes .... great .... no) with subcompact HK VP9SK wins hands down. Now when it comes to 0.45ACP there are only 2 type of guns 1911 and everything else ...
After renting the Sig P320 45 acp at my local range, I was completely amazed how it performed. It felt as if I was a 9 mm! For the first time, I was hitting center mass from 8 yds. out. Got a good grouping hitting head shots too. The following week I traded in my Glock GAP 45 for the P320, and never looked back.
82 Luft People seem to like finding reasons to hate on Sigs, but one thing they can't hate is how Sigs have such soft-shooting and accurate handguns in the "higher" calibers like the P220 and P227. I'm hearing great things about the P320 45acp as well. I've had both the 220 and 227 in 45 and they really felt no different than shooting most full size 9mm's, hardly any snappiness at all. And if you like shooting the 10mm, the P220 in 10 is simply amazing.
82 Luft, there is no comparison. The PPQ will outshoot the P320 all day long. At 21ft probably not much difference but once you get past 30ft the PPQ rules
That's my exact same story. This past weekend I was at the range. Rented. The attendant recommended it to me. I wasn't too thrilled about it until I shot it. Never shot ANY 45 as good as this one. It does feel like a 9mm. I think I found my next pistol.
Nice choice!!
@@harrybaules Y'all might have a telepathic connection.
I just ordered the Sig P320 .45 full size. Most of my life I have shot and have a few guns. This will be my first Sig & my first .45. Honestly I am a little nervous to try a new brand of gun with a new caliber. If I had purchased the .45 from Glock I think I would have felt slightly more at ease, however, would have been disappointed to pass up the Sig.
Thanks for the video. The information was detailed and good quality.
Go for it, Robert. The P320 45 runs rings around the Glock. You'll be amazed at its mild recoil and accuracy. After all, didn't the Army choice its kid brother for their next generation sidearm? That alone should make you move on it.
I want to see the PPQ 45 in a 5" or Q5 Match form.
Outstanding comparison between these two suburb pistols. Every bit worth the 33 min. review. I own the Sig P320 45 and love it. when shooting, I have to look twice making sure that I'm not firing my P320 9 mm! That's how mild the recoil is on this gun. The trigger pull feels much less than 8 lbs. Sweet. Excellent, quick reset too. Choice? No contest. The Sig Sauer hands down.
Just noticed a misspelled word. "Superb," not suburb. The down side of being anal.
LOL. Thanks for the comment. But suburb could be correct too. Hardly ever see them downtown. ;-)
Ha, Ha, you're absolutely right. Keep up the excellent comparisons. A very worth while half hour spent.
Another excellent, thoughtful review. I really like the trigger reach information. Finding a well fitting pistol is key.
Great Video - Of course it was a month or two late and I couldn't wait! So I have both and you are pretty spot on. I too am a Walther fan and I have to agree with everything you said. Sig grip is better but I still stuck a Talon on it as well as the PPQ .45. Once I put the Talon on the PPQ, the flip calmed down quite a bit. I do like the way the PPQ Points and seems to get back on target pretty quick even with the touch more flip. I seemed to be a little more accurate with the PPQ but the Sig P320F can also put nice groups down range. Either gun is a great buy and both have strengths and really no weaknesses.
Both these pistols are outstanding. I prefer the Walther but I would probably be just as happy with the Sig
One thing about testing/measuring the trigger pull on the P320....you'll probably get a different reading if you test the pull with a magazine in the pistol with a dummy round pushing up on the slide as it would with a loaded mag. Like some Glocks, with a magazine out of the gun, you can actually see the slide lifting/moving a bit as you pull the trigger and the sear pulls off the striker. Adds a tiny bit of extra resistance before the break. But with a round in the mag keeping the slide pushed up from below, there's on 'give' as the sear just slides off the striker. You can feel a little bit of difference, the latter having a smoother and cleaner creep before the break.
You are right, the PPQ 45 have a polygonal barrel from the beginning. All new PPQ Pistols have a polygonal barrel now and a slightly different slide shape at the ejection port.
I am honored to have your response , you've given me a different perspective. I will continue to enjoy your channel.
I appreciate that. Not trying to annoy my viewers! :-)
Picked up a ppq. 45 for 325 bucks with 100 rounds through it from my trusted local gun shop. Felt like I hit the lottery
Another Great Video!! You know I Love the 45ACP Pistols! My 45 PPQ trigger is just over 4 pounds too. I love my Sig 320 Compact in 9mm, maybe I should look at the Compact or Carry 320 in 45ACP. Good to hear that you thought the recoil was controlled well in the full size P320, and I love it that you can get it with night sights from the factory. I enjoyed the Show my friend. Beretta Sr.
+BERETTA9mmUSA Thanks man! It's a shame the .45 chassis is not compatible with the other calibers or you could just get a kit and spend a bit less. But at least once you have it, you can get different sizes. I just finally got a kit for the full sized 9mm.
Excellent work as usual. Thank you for taking the time.
+Bill Blake It's rough work, but someone has to do it. I consider it my sacrifice for my fellow man. ;-)
Awesome as always, love the slugfest series!
+72cmcinc Thanks!
I really like your videos , nicely done and very relaxing voice lol thanks and keep up the good work
Very kind of you, thanks. I do my best with what I've got... ;-)
Great video! A little feedback... The Walther is on the left in the video and the list of specs is on the right and vice versa. Should have been the other way around.
It was a brain exercise. :) You'll thank me when you get old and are still razor sharp! ;-)
I already am old and I was sharp enough to catch this! ;-)
Great coverage of both .45s. I held off on getting a p320 for a while but after picking up a p320 rx I fell in love with the platform. Very few people are covering the p320 .45 so it's good to see a head to head video out there with one of the better .45s on the market.
Both seem to be great, not sure if I will get either one though. As usual, another high quality video production. You sure got some good groups out of them both. I just picked up my first PPQ today, albeit the 22LR model. I will say, it feels amazing in the hand. I already own two P320's, one in 9 and the other is 40. Only negative I can come up with on the P320's is the feel of the polymer. It just feels kind of tinny or cheap, I don't know how else to explain it. However, it has a better feeling trigger than most other striker fired pistols. It might not be light but I love the solid, smooth metal feel of the P320's trigger. Thanks for another great video, have a nice day.
+fumasterchu12 The grip frame of the P320 is slightly less "substantial" than many others - but it is designed to be a replaceable commodity (somewhere around $45) as opposed to a serialized permanent component like traditional poly guns. I think for that reason there is a lesser investment in it. I think that's probably the reason. As for the trigger - I agree completely. One of my favorite triggers, and seems very consistent from one pistol to the next.
I think I'll just add some Talon grips to my 320's and call it perfect. I don't think they're getting enough press, they really are nice shooters. I also bought an extra sub compact frame to switch out with either chassis.
Yet another outstanding review.
Is the racking the slide on the Sig p320 45 easier than racking the
slide on the Springfield XDM 45? I've got the Springfield and my wife
cannot work the slide, but she does like the 9mm Sig p320 action and can
work that slide like a champ. Way different strength in the recoil
springs. I would appreciate your perspective, thanks.
the only difference that matters is one is drop safe one is not.
I am a Walther guy. Own 9 of them. And know the PPQ quality, but am learning towards the Sig if only for some variety.
He has a white bus. I once rode on the BLUE BUS.
The blue bus took you to boot camp in a distant past.
Nice review. Looking for a new .45 and wasn't considering the P320...now I am.
My friend has a Walther P99 in .40 and it is very snappy. Not the most pleasant gun to
shoot. After holding it I noticed how the grip is further down the gun...closer to the barrel than most guns. Probably for ergonomics.
If you think of the where your thumb hits the beaver tail as an axis for the gun to pivot on
(during recoil)....the PPQs axis is further down the slide if you draw a vertical line. This is easy to see just looking at the two you have in the vid.
The point I'm making is that if your hand is further down the slide during recoil then more mass (the slide) is moving past your wrist as it slides back...making muzzle rise more likely. Just a theory. What do you think?
Your observations and assumptions have merit. I'm not an engineer or ergonomics expert, but the way levers and fulcrums work certainly plays a significant role in felt recoil and muzzle lift.
I just picked up a PPQ45 today and love it...I’m a big fan of both but I’d have to go with the PPQ!!! Kool video...ima big fan of your channel
Thanks - and enjoy that PPQ 45!
Great comparison video! Just for fun I reviewed the shooting footage to compare recoil at .25 speed, and it does look like the PPQ has marginally more 'bounce' as you are fighting the recoil to stabilize for the next shot. The PPQ seems to take 2.5 to 3 large oscillations to damp down, while the Sig seemed to be closer to 2. Oddly though, I measured the time it took for you to get the muzzle back to level/horizontal, and you were faster with the PPQ, as were your successive follow-up shots. This is far from a scientific analysis, but I used a stopwatch and repeated the measurements several times to even out error on my part.
As to the PPQ trigger reset, I've noticed that what people attribute to additional 'takeup' after the reset is not actually additional takeup, but rather the consequence of the reset being so springy, tactile and positive. If you carefully release after a trigger break, you'll see that the reset does not have any additional travel, but unless you have an iron finger, there tends to be a little slippage when the reset is reached. Perhaps this is what people mean anyway?
+Myanameis Beestingz Wow - you have some serious free time! ;-) I like your analysis though. You're very observant, because it is the "dip down" of the muzzle that is actually more to blame for the sensation of "flip" for me. I think this is because I am applying more forward pressure to compensate for more recoil and muzzle lift - so it becomes a spring. Oscillation is a good description for that. I'm sure that one were to fire just that one gun for enough time to get proficient, you'd apply just the right force and have little to no "dip". Thanks for the very interesting and informative comment!
Justin Opinion That's what I do on my days off- watch Justin Opinion vids and then go shoot my Walthers. ; ) Still watching your vids doesn't take nearly as much time as it does to make them I'm sure!
Your videos are a huge asset to the shooting community- I just might have to give the 320 another chance- your videos are very persuasive while being as objective as possible.
I was skimming through the posts to see if anyone addressed this. I didn’t use a stop watch but to me it looked like the ppq did not flip as high up and was back to target quicker. I was very interested to hear Justin to say he felt the opposite. Nice to hear the stats too! Also, I was waiting for a remark in the review regarding the hand height vs barrel. The beaver tail on the dog seemed to keep the hand lower on the gun than on the ppq. The ppq has the little cut away under the trigger guard and without the lower beaver tail it seemed to me the hand was higher which should lessen the flip. Again, surprised Justin felt otherwise. Note, I have never held either of these pistols.
I agree 100%, I think it's perception on Justin's part. He was much quicker on target with the PPQ even though he complain about the sites too. LOL
And that snappiness I think is because the recoil is distributed more horizontally into the hand than upwards. So you feel more in the hand but the muzzle "flip" if you will is actually less because of that. I've always been interested in the Barretta .45 for the reason of the rotating barrel, always wondered if it keeps muzzle flip down even more.
Great review - better than TV!
I love my PPQ 45! Mine is not snappy at all. I also like the 12 round mag vs 10
That Walther looks sweet
Oh damn brother you get a thumbs up for that opening line!! This wasn't a boating accident! 🤣😂😅
"I often will hang an AR15 in the front as a back up" LMAO :-)
ThELaStRiD3R you caught that, too! 😂🤣
I'm a "PPQ-er" Like it!
Justin, great video!!! Can you tell me who makes the range bags in front of you and to your left side ( earth colored) 1:40 into the video and if by chance you have the model number that would be great too. Thanks in advance for the hard work, I'm going to pick up the 320 tomorrow!
It's a MidwayUSA range bag - the large size. I swear by it - great bag at a great price.
WOW, those are a couple of sexy pistols!
I'm looking at the USP lineup right now. My buddy is telling me to go with the 45, we'll see.
You're a darn good shot Justin.
+pinkiewerewolf Thanks! (it's all done with smoke, mirrors, and special effects)
Is it me or do the frames on the SIG 320's look like they are easily scratched?
John Faggello I've heard this so when I held one at my local Cabelas I used my nail and surely enough,it left a scratch.....a freaking finger nail man.....
Walther enough said
Walther PPQ m2 Quality and craftmanship Elite ....
Great video review! I like the Walther... but I really like the Sig!
Been following the .45 ACP striker fired videos, looks like the P320 is holding on as top dog. Hope to see a future video soon comparing it to the elephant in the room, the Glock 21 Gen4. Thanks for your really well done videos, and of course the ducks!
I can make that happen... I think my friends over at Beretta9mmUSA may have already done that comparison. I still may - but go check them out!
I did see their 9mm comparison, and the PPQ vs 21 in .45. Nobody so far has done the P320 vs 21 in .45. So YES please!
ThePdxster
I wouldn't be a very good act if I didn't take requests! I'll put it on the list!
Another great review. One of your best ever!! (IMO). I'm surprised that the PPQ was snappier than the Sig 320. I like both triggers! With the (apparent high bore axis) I would have thought it would have been the snappier shooter. Though a fan of the PPQ (9mm), in this case, I would have to go with the Sig 320 in .45.
+wpankey57 Thanks - nice of you to say.
Great review I'm going with the Sig p320
Great video. What about cost? Is there any significant difference?
Thank you for another great review. Looks like I'm going to have to add the .45 to my other P320' in 9mm. Slightly OT, can you believe that in Illinois, caliber X-change kits are not allowed?
We can't buy the P320 ( LEOs are the exception) in Ca. Im from Illinois originally, storm cloud follows me everywhere.
+pinkiewerewolf I'm with you there--moved the family from Chicago to northern Illinois and am still hounded by inane "feel good" laws.
Sigelitedark Thats really the issue these days, we are surrounded by these uneducated ideas and people. I have a feeling its going to get a lot worse before it gets better, though I hope it doesn't. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
+Sigelitedark Nothing surprises me about Illinois, except that good people still want to live there.
+pinkiewerewolf Agreed!
I have a p320 in 45! Love it, and was thinking about my next gun being the PPQ 45... Thanks so much for doing this comparison! Excellent review...
Pete
I still wonder why Sig did not redesign the P320 since its hammerless, they could of lowered the bore-axis like crazy.
No shit right??
Is that range 5 at Bridgeville club? The white bus looks familiar. Thanks for the nice review
Indeed it is. The wheels on the bus never seem to go round and round... it just sits there. ;-)
Thank you so much for this vid, very helpful, liked and subscribed
Thanks!
Thats a beaut of a Walther. Enjoyed the video thank you. But I must say that having the stats over the opposite gun was a tad confusing as I was trying to read them and look at the gun and listen to you also. Would be much better to switch the stat overlay around.
I've been watching your sig p320 45 vs I have a sig p320 45 and I wanted to compare them to others I recently bout a g21 gen 4 and I love the p320 so thanks for your vids p.s new sub
I’ve never fired a P320. But I was pretty surprised how heavy the trigger was. My other striker fired pistols are 4-6lbs. It must have a really clean break or something if it’s that heavy and shoots well easily. Because I fired a s&w sd40ve with a 8.5” lb trigger and it was a nightmare.
My out of the box, Colt .45's have extremely accurate hair triggers, even my Defender. The Walther action is superior.
good video but why can't you shoot lead bullets through polygonal rifling. never heard of that before?
This review is excellent; very thorough! 2 questions: if you were to recommend one of these to a woman, who has a hand that is small to medium, which would it be? Have you tried the steel dpms recoil assembly in the ppq, and does it help with muzzle flip and target acquisition?
What are you using to shoot your video?
Just out of curiosity whats is the cost of the SIG 320 compare to the Walther PPQ 45 also the great thing about the Walther you can upgrade the sight to whatever you like and a stainless steel guide can be purchase for the Walther
before watching the video, I'm going to say that the PPQ is the winner.
Very educational video, especially for new gun owners. What can you say if you compare it to Glock 41.
8 pound trigger?! Is that SIG broke?
No kidding, that's heavy
What caliper is that you are using?
Awesome video! Question, the SIG 45 trigger group cannot interchange with their 9mm/40S&W correct? Thanks for making great content videos and great video clarity!
+Bobby Cooke That is correct. The .45 ACP requires a different 'chassis' than the other calibers and they are not interchangeable.
Easy choice for me. The PPQ 👍 because of appearance, slide lock, capacity, weight, ERGOs, & especially the TRIGGER !!! However I like them both A LOT, so I think I'll get BOTH. PROBLEM SOLVED!
Thx, Best Regards from HOT Phx., Az. 👍😋🇺🇸
I have medium size hands. What is the width of each pistol at the part of the Grip where the web of your hand is? The web between the thumb and index finger. FYI, the Sig P320 subcompact in 9mm is snappy. Will have to rent both of these 45's to see what the recoil feels like.
Is there a muzzle brake for 45 m2 ppq and drop in threaded barrel
PPQ 45 forever!
@King Savage .50 BMG is the only gun u need.
Would a steel guide rod take away some of its snap???
Not significantly. I helps to tune the balance of a "nearly flat" gun, but for something bucking like this it would be hard to notice the difference.
59BigWalt no
are you shooting right handed with left eye?
I wonder if the PPQ has more muscle flip than many other 45 hand guns because the grip sets more forward on the slide than the other hand guns. There seems to be less slide weight hanging out in front of your hand with the PPQ, where the P320 was most of the slide out in front of your hand.
It’s only 28oz! it’s going to have more Muzzle flip
My Sig P320C .45 has a two part recoil spring and a trigger pull that is less than 5lb.
So the winner is?????
I've shot neither but I'd go for the Walther PPQ REGARDLESS! Walther just makes GREAT guns! Too bad I CANNOT get one over here in California where they like to INFRINGE ON YOUR GUN RIGHTS!
Can't go wrong with a German made pistol over an Austria made pistol.
Good thing they haven't made a law against all-caps
My edc . Sig p320 45 acp nitron ns x compact . Absolutely love this fire arm .
damn you shoot good. I got the 9mm sig p320 compact and now I want the .45 full size.
Installed the Apex trigger in my PPQ45 and all I can say is WOW, they made a great trigger greater.
+Tony Viera How does it compare to the factory trigger? I have a 9mm and heard about the Apex but couldn't imagine how they could improve the factory PPQ trigger.
Reduces initial take up big time, shortens reset some. Buy one you will NOT be disappointed.
Tony Viera How is for everyday carry? Right now my PPQ is my EDC.
It doesn't change the trigger pull weight so if you're ok with it now you should be after. There is quite a bit less take up than before so you would have to get use to that.
When a P320 45 can hold 13 rounds THEN we can talk. Otherwise, Glock 21 or Walther PPQ
Don't forget about the fnx 45 tactical
***** he was only doing striker fire I'm talking capacity and quality like these two I would spend my money on the quality they just striker fire and the hk usp 45 and the fnx 45 can compete with these two by them being hammer fire which I think is better would do a pretty good job all of them work flawless bottom line I would get one maybe all four them two and the hk and fn
I don't know what the fuck you're using your gun for, but why would you need that much more ammunition in a gun that will probably kill someone in two shots or less?
Same reason you'd need 18 rounds in a glock 17. Because you can. I suppose you would go to war with a derringer and expect to come home unscathed and alive eh?
The point is the FNX45 holds 15 rounds of 45 ACP, a SAR K2 hold 14 and a glock 21 holds 13. I suppose there's no good reason those manufacturers thought that it was important to have a high capacity 45. 10 rounds is not high capacity and claiming double stack with 10 rounds is laughable.
Because round capacity trumps accuracy and quality? Spoken like a true novice. hahaha
center of gravity on the Walther is further forward than the Sig Sauer which contributes to it being "snappier" than the Sig, which uses that forward weight to counteract recoil on the P320.
both pieces look great. greetings!
Just LOVE your revues !!
Thanks Mom!! - I mean... total stranger who I don't even know.... ;-)
Great video....i already have the walther .....but honestly I carry a p99 in 9mm .....prefer the AS trigger for a carry firearm.....wish they made one in .45, again great comparison.....
I attached my AR to the P320 pic-rail too. It's a snug fit, but it fits. . .
never held a p320 so can't speak on that...but the ppq 45 is a badass pistol. my tenifer finish is flawless and will not scratch. Not the case on my other ppqs. my 9 and 40 made in '14 and '15 were scratched right out of the box. walther must have stepped up their game on finishes.
Hey guys I just bought the walther 45 ppq but I can't find a holster any recommendations
I hope Sig or Walther makes a 10mm version of their 45 act pistols
Michael Jordon where have you been?! Sig has the 220 in 10mm.
Yep...it's available in 10mm and .357 sig also in a kit.
Email Walther right now and tell them you want a PPQ platform in 10mm!
Did you get the P320 45 Voluntary Upgrade? Did it make a difference
No, I haven't upgraded any of my older P320s.
@@JustinOpinionChannel Okay, kinda surprised but it is voluntary.
I have an unusual questions, want to get another 45ACP to go with my SA 1911. I have narrowed it down to four guys in different classes.
Striker Fired Duty Size --- Walther PPQ 45
Striker Fired Long Slide -- Glock 41
Hammer Fired Duty Size -- Sig P227
Hammer Fired Duty Size with a rotating barrel -- Beretta PX4 Storm in 45ACP
I know you are fond of the Sig P227 and the PPQ 45, not sure about how you feel on the Glock 41 and the PX4 Storm. I know these are all different, but unfortunately, none are available for me to actually shoot at a range near me, so, have to go on valued opinions.
In terms of shoot ability, reliability, accuracy how would you rank these four and did I miss one. (Did not include the P320 cause the PPQ just felt better in my hands holding it, was not able to shoot either, so, not sure if it would be different shooting them)
Thanks for your help. By the way, I really enjoy your videos, thanks for all the hard work.
try hk 45
I did and liked it, but for the price the PPQ was every bit as good at the range where I compared them. I have a VP9 and love it, but got a good price on it, else would have done the PPQ M2 in 9mm for same reason.
Mark Badia: Stop with your laundry list, Mark. Go rent a P320 at the range. This suburb pistol will defiantly turn out to be at the top of your list. It made me a believer.
When you were discussing the differences at the beginning, you had the PPQ info overtop the P320 and vice versa, and that was VERY VERY CONFUSING as you were gesturing and holding them up.
I know. Sorry for that. Total FAIL on my part...
I have a ppq m2 40 and a sig p320 9c and love both. So if you were absolutely forced to just keep one of those 45's which would it be?
+Jeremy Jones The SIG, without a second thought.
Excellent comparison video! You confirmed the snappier PPQ 45 that I noticed from other PPQ 45 videos. And from what I've seen the Glock 21 is much smoother with less muzzle flip than the Walther. At my gun store the Sig P320 "carry" had a weird trigger that when dry fired had the normal "click" for firing, followed by more travel and a second "click" to stop. The salesman didn't have anything to say about that....I have a FNX 45 of which I'm very happy with. Any videos of that?
+Schuster Thanks. Yeah, I noticed the muzzle flip with my first shot and am surprised others aren't mentioning it. I don't view it as a horrible thing - just a fact. Still a great pistol - but if you don't like the snappiness it makes a difference. The trigger system in the P320 line do have a 'click' when dry fired - it is normal and does not do any damage. FNX-45 is on my list and has been for some time. Would love to put that head to head with the HK 45.
How does these compare to the Ruger American 45?
Never even knew that existed. Seems like it's not too popular, would still like to see it though.
What our friend has not admitted is that he has an eye drift. Please adjust the sights to your eye. This firearm, is the penitential of out of the box, .45 accuracy. My Colts are also extremely accurate, but the Walther trigger is the very best, out of the box trigger on the market. I take that back. The Walther is world famous for a reason. That reason is pre S&W engineering.
That song at the end is sick! where can I listen to the whole song?
I think he uses royalty free music that is available through TH-cam.
+ahernandez1080, thanks for the response. I have since checked them out at my LGS. Not impressed with the polymer on these guns and a bit disappointed considering its a SIG. I am assuming they are cheap because of the chassis system and easily replaced, assuming you can easily find the frames. Conversely, I also inspected a Beretta APX, which is another polymer/chassis based firearm. Without getting into a Beretta/SIG war, I can honestly state the polymer frame on the Beretta seemed quite a bit more robust and better manufactured.
Good catch
Love this sig feels great shoots great just bought it for unfortunately after 300 rounds and a complete cleaning and lube it will not cycle a single 10 round mag stays out of battery just slightly after every round or 2
so why do you put the overlays over the opposite guns ... ???
Wanted to see who was paying attention. Either that, or it was a mistake. Let's go with seeing who was paying attention.... ;-)
Considering that 9mm is way more popular caliber the choice of the .45 guns though unconventional, still applicable and useful for those who use 9mm guns. You control both guns very well, the groups are a tiny bit better with the Sig, while Walther's trigger is the best in class. I wondered if a flashlight attached to a Walther could help reduce its snappiness?
You got the guns covered with the opposing info! Kinda hard to follow dude...yeah, it sucks actually. Love the guns...
I have the Walther PPQ .45. Very good and less of a recoil than you think and trigger is very good. I'd never trust the P320 under any circumstances because of the dropsy shootee.
🤣🤣🤣 dropsy shootee lol
It has been fixed since the voluntary recall factory models don’t have a drop safety issue.