Succession's Episode of Truth
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- This video essay reviews and analyzes Successions third season episode, Chiantishire, and how the characters grapple with the truth. Succession is all about lies and ambition, but this episode exposes the truth about the character dynamics and why they are the way they are.
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0:00 Greg and Connor
3:47 Shiv's Mother and Tom
7:51 Kendall and Logan/Roman
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Logan making his grandkid try the food before him is so cold and calculated that I can't even describe.
Pretty brutal, but it gives you the measure of the man.
He never ate also
I love it, its really to twist the knife into kendall.
Jesse said in the podcast it actually was Logan testing Kendall. He was leaving it up to Kendall to say something if it was poison.
it was such an awesome play!
Logan knew Kendall wouldn't poison him but wanted Kendall to think he thought that and then sacrifice his grand child just to eef with Kendall
Another thing that I absolutely hated was that Shiv never even considered having a baby until her conversation with her mom where she was told that "some people shouldn't be mothers." She didn't actually want to raise a kid with Tom, she just wanted to use it to prove her mom wrong.
Messed up for the kid if it ever gets born
The mother probably said that to push her daughter to have kids.
So much of this show is all about how people want to be perceived
I can't blame her for not wanting kids...seeing how her parents and siblings all hate eachother
@@bradleypenrith So Shiv would learn firsthand how it feels to be hated by her own child.
Matthew Macfadyen acted the shit out of season 3. So invested in the character.
Definitely, I’ve been team Tom since day 1 or since last week when I first watched the show.
That's why he won the Emmy award
@@t221000 facts
My opinion is Succession's season 3 might be one of the best acted seasons of TV ever.
He’s a great actor,he’s been in lots of things over here in the uk
Logan only covered up Kendalls "crime" to manipulate him and get out of the attempted takeover. He didn't do it because he actually cared.
Honestly, I disagree. It's obvious that Logan benefited greatly from the "opportunity" of covering up Kendall's crime, BUT it still seems to me that Logan does indeed love his children and everything he does, in his mind, is in a way protecting them.
disagree - He loves his children and I saw that scene as nothing more than a dad protecting his son.
It’s also about protecting the name. The Roy brand is just as important as protecting Waystar.
@@sandrodesigns4622 he was willing to let his own child go to jail and allow god-knows-what to happen to him, all so that he himself wouldn't have to face the music...
@@awakenedtarot7306 YET what he actually wanted was for Kendall to take that chance and betray him. You can see in his face at the end of season 2 that that was the most genuine smile Logan gave to one of his children throughout the entire show. Obviously Logan is a narcissistic piece of shit, all I'm saying is that there's a part of him that DOES want his children to succeed, he's just not gonna hand it to them because in his mind they've all had privileged lives and have never known what it is to form their own path, so he needs to make it difficult for them to succeed so when they do, they actually deserve it.
I always interpreted Kendall's line about Logan's death making him devastated as genuine. In some ways, that scene reminds me of how in s1 Kendall chooses to go to the bday lunch instead of closing the Vaulter deal. No matter how much Logan "kicks" Kendall, I think he will never not love his father and lose what Logan means to him and maybe this will always disappoint Logan because it makes Kendall "soft" in his eyes
he'll never not see him as weak as long as he puts this emotion of "love" before power. he said as much in the finale when they found out their mom screwed them and roman said "please dad .. love". In logans eyes, i believe, there is no room for that type of shit at the top. it was so easy for mathson to screw over roman, any of the kids really, because they have this gloss over their eyes not really taking in how truly cutthroat it is at the top. Also, i really dont think he wants to give the company to anyone else besides his kids. He wants one of them to step up. But the all refuse to kill him, figuratively. & i dont think they want the power that he has, they just want their father. But to truly be his child, means you must want what he wants. which is why connor is just on the side, forgotten to be the first born
It was clearly genuine. You can see it in his eyes.
@@awakenedtarot7306 yeah obviously, idk why it's up for a debate. It has been clear since the beginning that despite of all his coup attempts Ken still loves his father.
Oh man thats heartbreaking
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in view of the latest episode, you couldn’t be more correct. not just ken, but all of the siblings felt real grief at logan’s death. i know everyone’s said it but s4e3 is one of the most realistic depictions of the death of a family member on TV. and while kendall’s holding it together better than roman and shiv, he’s clearly immensely distraught. that final shot of him slowly breaking down in the moonlight is HAUNTING. and i’m glad you’re right. it’s realistic. the thing about family, even if they’re utterly awful, is that it’s hard to completely abhor them. you can resent them, but resentment and hatred are different. to paraphrase a political theory book i read a while ago (wish i could cite the author), hatred is immediate, violent anger, while resentment is what builds up after being subjected to horrible conditions for too long. and with family, resentment is so much more common than hatred. kendall saying “i can’t forgive you. i love you.” to his dad is one of the most real things i’ve ever seen. it’s a testament to how amazing the writing of succession is that they went this route. a lesser show would’ve had at least one of the siblings be relieved about logan’s death, but not this show. even connor, whose initial response is “he never even liked me,” isn’t one of relief. it’s of utter, bitter sadness because he never had a chance to prove himself. maybe i’m biased because i’m a conhead but that’s what his whole presidential run has been about to me. it’s not that he actually wants to be president, he wants to prove to logan that he matters to the world in the same way logan does. that’s why he clings so tightly to polling at 1%- it was never about the race, but the way the race validated his capability and potential as a person when logan never would. even if he only got 1% of the vote, it would at least show logan he was worth that 1%. the death of a family member, even an abusive one, is never easy. succession’s handling of that, its willingness to have its characters go into real shock and grief, is a master class in writing. i am endlessly glad kendall was sincere in saying his dads death would break him to logan, as it only validated what i already loved about the show.
Outside Tom and Greg, Connor and Willa have the most solid relationship in the show.
Everyone who’s into a Roy is only there for the money - it’s not like any of them have personalities or charms that make them compelling to other human beings.
At least Willa is honest about it.
Connor loves her, or at least as much as a Roy can love someone - he didn’t want her to read the bad reviews of her play, he doesn’t cheat on her, he doesn’t mistreat her, they seem to have a sexual relationship and generally be able to stand each other.
It’s nothing to emulate, but in the context of that family, it’s the fuckin Notebook.
It’s a shame how money can destroy everything. This whole family would’ve been so much happier & well-adjusted if they had been born into a middle class life. But none of them think that. They all think money is the end-all , when in fact, Who of any of them is happy ?
@@sunnydaze2359 i honestly think they still wouldn't be happier in a "normal middle class" life their perspectives would be different but they would still be miserable
Yep. The only other seemingly decent relationship is Kendall's relationship with his ex-wife who seems to be a genuinely decent kind person. And she doesn't encourage his destructive habits either
Connor is a ROY, and his father's eldest son. he is the eldest son. he is the eldest son
Why the cringe profanity
In my opinion the most underrated character on the show is logan's own brother Ewan. The reason logan despises him so much is because he really knows and sees him for who he really is. The only one who calls him out for what a piece of shit he is and tells him the truth to his face because he doesn't need logan's acceptance and lives by his own values. I hope greg turns out to be more like him than logan, it would be great character development.
Greg is becoming a major player. No way hes going Ewans way. He is full on the dark side already.
Greg is on his way to becoming the new Logan imo. He’ll end up backstabbing Tom first
I don't like Ewan. His moral posturing feels empty and hollow. Also he is not protective or embracing towards Greg either ,and still benefits overall from Logan's riches. He was worth at least 250 mil ffs.
@@jr3624 im rewatching the series, and betraying Tom was the first thing he ever did, telling Gerry about Tom's shitty inheritance in his new position. That will happen again 10000% again. Sadly.
@@castronator29 most definitely. Going to be sad watching Tom get backstabbed
It is important to note that Connor Roy was interested in politics from a young age.
This veneration of Logan and willingness to take him at his word while dismissing everyone else is the weirdest part of the fanbase. Succession is fundamentally a show about abuse, and the fact that you call Logan's exploitation of the waiter manslaughter 'truth' is baffling. When that happened, Kendall was drugged out, the waiter took control of the wheel because of the deer, and then Kendall even tried to go back in to save him. Incredibly poor decision-making, yes, not immorality. Logan didn't cover it up out of the goodness of his heart, he did it to stop the bear hug. Nothing that Logan said was truth, it was all brutal manipulation of his children, the thing he's been doing all along. From the start, with inviting Iverson to test the food to get Kendall riled up. He won't even let Kendall leave the game, because he likes his children being kept under his thumb, alternately stringing them along or abusing him. He's brought them up to constantly sucker up to him, even Kendall's rebellion was him trying to live up to his father's expectations of being a 'killer.'
The most interesting moment of truth to me in the whole episode was one you didn't mention, when Kendall was going on about how terrible a person Logan was, and how he didn't want to become like him, you could see Logan beginning to lose it, he couldn't stand that one of his children would actually escape. So he drags him back in.
The problem with Kendall isn't really Logan inherently, though. Sure, that's the source, but the main flaw with Kendall's current state is that he believes he is a better person than Logan is. Sure while Logan is objectively horrible, Kendall is also a pretty messed up individual. He fakes sympathy for SA victims, completely ignores his children, and regardless if it was intentional or not, he is completely responsible for the death of the waiter. So the fact of the matter is Kendall's logic is flawed, he tries to justify himself to being superior to his father on a moral standing, but as mentioned that is not the case. And taking that into consideration, he then must face the fact that his father is greater than him in every way, something he has been trying to avoid all season.
@@julesceezy9694 Yeah,I agree Kendall's just saying he's morally superior to Logan as a way to rationalise his loss and isn't actually a great person. But I think he's also being honest when he says he doesn't want to become like him. I think he's started to realise the depths of amorality and apathy that comes with the territory that his siblings have also started to fall into. It's a bit of both.
I could not agree with you more, I see so many fans now of this show who are basically like the fans of breaking bad who thought Walter White was doing the right thing for his family. Logan is a terrible terrible person who's responsible for how fucked up his kids are. He isolated them from everyone else, made sure they couldn't even trust each other just so he could be the sole power in the family. In season 1, when he decides to stay instead of handing over power to Kendall, he blames Kendall for leaving a deal to come to his father's birthday but if Kendall hadn't done that, he'd have found some other reason to maintain his power. Logan is an overgrown child, who never learned the basics of emotional intelligence. For him it's all a game and it's all about winning. Fortunately for Logan in the world he's built for himself, he's held full power and made it a shadow of who he is so of course no one can beat him at his own game. Kendall is a much better person than Logan, he acts very badly too but at least he's got some redeeming qualities, Logan is just the embodiment of power and greed and there's no depth to him.
@@julesceezy9694 Plus the fact that like his dad rightfully explained it Kendall thoroughly enjoys the immense power and fortune created by his father to the point that he wants to 'kill' his dad every day to take his position. Kendall is his dad's son for sure. I do not believe he's morally superior. If he actually was he would refuse what he says is essentially 'blood money' but he does not. Logan's brother did! You can't accuse your dad of making money by being immoral while indulging and benefiting from the access and privilege created by said money + the actual money itself. Until the end of the season he fought to be the CEO of his dad's company. Make it make sense Ken! Either you enjoy the perks of living under your dad's shadow and immorality or you leave everything behind and build yourself up without asking anything from your daddy - that's the morally superior path.
@@julesceezy9694 Exactly. The irony about Succession is that NONE of them are any better than Logan. Shiv could've stayed away and stayed in Washington, but she chose to come back. Kendall could've gone to rehab and stayed away and Roman could live his best life. Their addicted to the "game" the Roy family plays with each other and everyone around them.
I always viewed Connor's proposal as him playing Willa's game with both of them on the same team. Willa is not shy about being with Connor for the financial benefits, and Connor has always either genuinely been oblivious to this, or he has played dumb about it (maybe even both for the sake of his own sanity). But when he proposes, I think our oblivious Connor is now someone who is officially in the game, both the Succession game and Willa's. He knows he can't make any more steps without her, and he knows that she is only with him for his money. The proposal is him finally taking the relationship for what it is: an unspoken agreement between two people who want to get ahead.
I think Conner just expects that as a given
I always got a prickly feeling after watching 3x08, but i couldnt really verbalize it. You did it for me. This episode is so uncomfortable and visceral bc after 3 seasons of every roy walking on gregshells (especially the roy sibs around logan) and passive agressiveness and sarcastic remarks about their family and their emotional health, this episode is the naked truth. For ex., we've always known shiv doesnt truly love tom and thinks hes leagues beneath her (logan says so himself in the family therapy), but weve never saw her being so cruel and forward about it. Its such an emersive experience because we dont just passively watch the characters being confronted with their weaknesses and the ugly truths of the mess the roys are. We are also a part of that. We also feel their discomfort and their sadness, because it's the first time any of them show their true feelings. It's almost a breath of fresh air, after so many episodes, them confronting the skeletons in their closets. Caroline and Shivs scene hurt so much, as did kendall's and Logan's. I dont think even the world's best therapist could help this family. On a final note, I have to mention Jeremy strongs superb perfomance during the last episodes. Very few people can show conflict, sadness, inner destruction and acceptance in a very subliminal way like he did. Hope he gets the Emmy!
Best episode of the series, the characters are finally being real with themselves
Best episode is hard to pick.
@@louistracy6964 True, this season has such great episodes
The foreshadowing from this episode carrying through to season 4 is so good. Shiv’s motherhood chat. Kendall telling his dad he’ll be broken when he dies. Shiv and tom’s relationship. Soooo good!
This is one of the best shows I have ever seen. I am truly invested and blown away by this story. Great analysis!
I think Kendall means it when he confesses he would be devastated if Logan died. Logan dismisses it not because he sees through Ken's supposed bullshit but because he simply doesn't care about love. Blind loyalty is the only thing Logan really cares about in people. And the way he exploites Ken's past mistakes is not because he understands the truth better than anyone else, but because the manipulative ways in which he treats everyone, as tools for his ends. The truth is that Kendall is a broken man that all in all still loves his father, and a real father would not only see that as true, but also find the compassion to forgive. He is not teachings his kids hard lessons in a twisted expression of tough love, he just doesn't love them and is willing to abuse them, punish them and take advantage of them all the same as he does with the rest of people.
Both interpretations, though, are plausible enough when you are watching. The brilliance of this show in my opinion lays in that the conflicts between characters are always very two-sided, the motivation behind what each of them does is warranted and reprehensible and similar rates. The dynamic of all characters being so grey, always right and wrong at the same time is just like real life and makes it incredibly engaging and appealing. Genuinely one of the best shows ever made.
When Logan made his own grandson try the food before himself, I could swear I was watching the best moments of Game Of Thrones.
I disagree about Connor. I think that situation is absolutely different. He truly loves her, but he understands that his family is laughing at him about relationship with an escort girl, so he took a shot to make her his wife by finding this opportunity.
I agree and disagree. He does "love" her in his way, but the Roys are so damaged they can't experience any pure form of love. It's always transactional and strategic and controlling. Kendall is the closest to achieving it with Naomi. But even that relationship is quickly becoming one-sided, where she always has to support him and probably doesn't get much in return.
@@neofromthewarnerbrothersic145 The only real love the brothers get in the series so far is the love they feel for each other, that's why it's so painful every time Logan tries to put them against each other
i really don't think connor loves her. i think connor loves having her. he consistently dismisses her interests, makes fun of her, ignores or doesn't notice her changes in mood. she's never been respected by him. remember the republican dinner when she specifically asked him not to leave her alone w those creepy old guys and he just said she was there to show a little leg? i'm sorry, i do believe he loves his siblings but i think he's so out of touch with reality that he's clearly not capable of truly loving willa.
@@SaraStar7373 I have to disagree. I think Conner, out of all the siblings has the healthiest perception of love and emotional stability.
Although he's far from perfect within the family, narratively he's an outcast within the family's game and manipulation tactics.
He's still the only sibling to actively give up on the race to impress their father on a big level.
He was present for his siblings, trying to step up as a sort of father figure and also managed to find a love interest who is emotionally honest and sincere in their nature and expectations.
To say he doesn't care about her interests is sort of contradictory.
One, he supported her career, explicitly saying he'd pay for her to go back and forth between the ranch and new-york for her writing/screenplay.
Then he helped her with the play, even reaching out to his father on behalf of her.
And for the proposal scene, that was insincere sure but it was established he did it for political gain but not necessarily because he views her as a stepping stone.
Story-wise, Connor was with her far before he got involved in politics, and his political storyline only started to define him after he had an established relationship.
Furthermore All the siblings fulfill and represent a form of negligence/coping mechanisms. At it's core Succession is a family and character study.
Connor within the story and subtextually is meant to be an outlier to his siblings, representing the contrast between people in Logan's immediate circle vs people outside of it.
He's a visualization of what giving up early on is.
He gave up on his father's genuine love, security and presence long ago. Moreover being the eldest.
This is also why he has the least argumentative relationship with logan.
As he's gotten more involved in the family he's adopted their affinity for power and validation from his father but he's still as a character, fundamentally different than the rest of his siblings, who've had a more direct upbringing with logan due to a different dynamic with logan's second wife.
And when his girlfriend doesn't accept the proposal, he's actually sadder about her decision to say no and not necessarily about the politics deep-down.
This is why he brought up the proposal to his siblings during such an emotional moment because it was emotionally significant to him.
Connor is constantly ridiculed by his siblings but this is actually misplaced anger and deep confusion because they view Connor's lack of motive and need for their father's approval as weakness when in actuality he's the least unhappy and manipulated due to that reason.
@@mojo.s4669 I don’t think Conner doesn’t thrive for his fathers approval, he absolutely does. I think it’s a defense mechanism, he always says he doesn’t want to be involved because he’d rather have the illusion that it’s his choice to step away rather than to be rejected by his father yet again. Like you said they all exhibit different coping strategies and that’s Conners but I wouldn’t say he’s well adjusted. Look how he reacted at the gala he hosted, deeply insecure and trying to prove himself to his father. The presidential run too, him trying to prove himself without the inevitable rejection and dismissal from trying to be the successor and competing with his siblings. His father has made it clear to him he prefers the younger three so he “removes himself” from the running to avoid the pain of his father telling him outright he’s not worthy.
Its so funny, to see kendall singing on his birthday "honesty" by billy joel, like he really feels and wants what his singing (and am sure the emotions were very real at that point), but when he actually gets what he "wants", he can't take it. It's heartbreaking.
You have a gift for perception man. I missed so much of this yet watched so intently.
the shiv and tom scenes were so painful to watch ( in the intended way)
Great video! I think when Greg confides in Tom and Shiv about the lack of depth with Comfrey at the wedding, it makes Tom question his own marriage with Shiv, maybe pushing him more towards betrayal.
Wow! An analysis up to the caliber of Succession. Well done my friend.
Such a great analysis! Easily the best episode so far. Keep the great vids coming!
I’m enjoying your analysis very much .. I’m so obsessed with succession, it’s depth is astounding
I've watched about six of your vids, but I knew the quality was there from early in the first viewing. Well-written, tightly edited and always on point, you provide a fertile exploration of the relationships, conflicts, disorders and madness of some of our favorite evil characters found in exceptional movies and television. Your channel is a worthy companion to Studio Binder, one of the greatest channels on TH-cam. I can't begin to fathom how you pull this all together, but here we are, and I thank you.
Thanks Eric, that means a lot to me. A new Succession video about Logan’s parenting is coming out on Wednesday
This is a brilliant analysis! Amazingly put together. Keep up the good work.
Masterful analysis. Hope to see more Succession breakdowns from you like this!
Ayyyy Succession vid. Nice to see this show getting some recognition. Infact, I believe it was youre first succession video that made me subscribe. If youre looking for material, I highly suggest you observe Mr. Robot. I believe it is in the top 10 best tv series of the last decade.
Haha omg yes! Mr Robot is to me the greatest TV show out there. Love succession too
Great video. Made me think more of the significance of the episode.
this is brilliant observation . its a great show because of how real the conversations are . people connect to the writing and one more observation is how this show uses body language which is unique to each character
High level analysis, well done!
I love this type of content and you did it very well! Thank you
this was so good pls keep making more videos ab succession
so glad I found your channel. really insightful stuff!
Fantastic analysis ! Loved this video
Really loved the analysis. Keep up the great work. You inspire us to stay a cinephile and keep loving the world of Cinema.
That was a great analysis. Good video
This was so interesting, incredible take
truly nothing hurts more than the truth. really great video
Great video as always.
Great insight, beautifully put together
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Liked & subscribed
Keep up the good work!
Shiv loves Tom a little. Telling someone the truth is love. What Tom should've done is thank Shiv and walk out, you can't hold a relationship together by yourself.
Love your script writing and Vivaldi. Clean crisp and cutting
Loving your succession videos
you make the best videos man. great stuff
REALLY enjoy your thoughts on this. I agree so much about this family as form that I used a Logan quote in a masters program paper on family therapy. The quote - “everything everywhere is always moving forever.”
This is a very well written analysis
These videos make the show even better!
Eloquently stated review. Nice one- liked and subscribed
Amazing video. I think when I watched this episode I could feel the things you elaborated on, but I couldn’t quite put it into worlds. I noticed Ken and Tom were basically beaten with harsh truths but I didn’t notice that this happened to every other character as well.
Yeah
I just discovered your channel today. Love your content. Highly professional production value, with interesting and deep analyses that bring more richness to the shows they analyze. Well deserved subscription from me.
Looking forward to other videos, and respectfully hoping to see another analysis on the finale.
Thank you! Welcome
God damn, there are some truly brilliant and timeless lines on this show. And naturally, most of them come from Logan.
"Life's not knights on horseback... it's a fight for a knife in the mud" is great, but probably my favorite is:
"Nothing is a line! Everything, everywhere is always moving, forever. Get used to it!"
Very smart to connect mother twisting the knife to shiv's mean roleplay.
Excellent analysis!
those videoa analysing the series are amazing, congrats'
Fantastic analysis
Amazing breakdown!
Great video !
Great analysis. Thanks
Best review so far
Absolutely great break down and analysis!
What a video. I'm subscribing and patiently waiting for you to make one on the season 3 finale!
Coming on Wednesday
I love your channel. I hope you do this for succession season 3
When the new season comes out, I’ll be all over it
An excellent analysis. Very insightful and a great perspective.
Chef’s kiss to both the show and this video.
Fantastic dissection of an incredible episode. I would argue that Connor does love Willa in the only way he knows how to love but there's enough from what you said to convince me otherwise!
Awesome summary
Amazing how people have so many different views regarding this show. I'm not into psychology that much, but I can tell that the interpretation of everyone have has something to do with their own family relations... and that's what's nice about it
great video! i had to subscribe.
Big fan of yours already
These videos make me love the show so much more. Ever since season 1 I could tell that the Shiv and Tom marriage was a sham marriage because she wanted to be validated by her father for being married. In the season 2 finale she suggested he take the fall for Logan and she suggests that they have a 3 way to avoid the fact that she doesn't love him. Even after Tom tells her he isn't happy being with her they just ignore because they want to keep up appearances with her.
Wow what a poignant observation this was? I didn't realize why EVERY scene in this episode felt like a deep cut until you unveil that it's all about the raw-est form of truth. Especially ones that reveal all the Roy's real weaknesses. One of the best written episodes and analysis here.
Great video !!! I can’t wait for the season finale this Sunday 🔥
I think there’s two more episodes to go
@@JustanObservation just one more unfortunately
Oh :/
Such a good video
Very accurate, well written 👌🏻
This is like the director notes. Great job 👏 👍
This video, so good!!!! Subbed and turned on the notifications. Now to go back and watch all the Succession videos you've made. Thanks!
That was a great 👍 analysis 👏 of the Roy kids also the fact the children's believe they are smarter and more skilled then they really are and not realizing some of their level of incompetence like Kendall failed coups,Shiv overplaying her hand ,Roman not controlling himself and Conor thinking he can just go straight to been president 🙄 like that
This episode is one of my favorite episodes of anything.
Ur vids are too good
I love your impeccable breakdown of the movie ... Almost made me think I was in a literature class
Brilliant!
Awesome!
Real good analysis
& backgroubd mozart song 👍👍
Idk..I think Connor actually loves Willa
It’s hard to say. The finale made it seem more that way than the preceding episode
Same. I didn't agree with his opinion regarding Connor.
I think it can be both; it’s no a zero sum transaction. Because they’re so bereft of love as a family they see all relationships as transactional. He confuses what she can do for him and his brand as being worthy of love. When your entire worth is based on the tangible value you bring to someone, I can understand why he confuses the two.
Logan secretly knows that he probably failed as a father, now you are responsible for your own well-being and happiness but the reason I'm saying is he gave his kids everything materialistically but emotionally and mentally he gave them nothing it the old saying A easy life makes a soft ass and that mixed with they upbringing just look at them they damaged shallow out of touch with reality individuals.
He definitely gave them a lot emotionally and mentally too…
Exactly, this analysis was too simplistic and one-sided. It is true, from one perspective, Logan DID provide his kids a playground, but from another perspective, that playground has also become their prison because Logan is more a warden than a father. These are children raised entirely by money, they weren't actually raised by parents. And this is what it's done to them.
@@awakenedtarot7306 which is sort of beaten over your head from the literal opening video. His concern for them only was as *his children* not as separate people who exist independently
Great analysis. I had not connected the way Logan would treat a dog to the way Shiv treats Tom. Shiv kicks Tom - to see if he will come back.
This makes me wonder about people from many generations of wealth. Not that it shields people from becoming terrified narcissists, but if the family isn't headed by someone who believes they earned their position by fighting everyone in sight for it, are they still brutal? At one point Kendall says that Logan envies the world he created for his children, so he undermines their development. That's something common to narcissistic parents regardless of class or income. But does that include destroying the sense of ease people born into wealth typically have? Unnecessarily making their lives difficult and covering for their faults rather than correcting them while enjoying watching them fester. Crippling them the way poverty, abuse, or hopelessness crippled him so they can never excell or leave him.
Best talk about this show
Brilliant.
I think you may have misread Connor's proposal a little bit. He definitely loves Willa and wants her to be his wife as he's clearly very desperate for love. It's just his version of love has been jagged as he's Logan's son and was never treated properly (probably why he craves love so much)
He loves Willa, he's just been taught that the only way for love to be real is for it to benefit each party which his proposal would have. Also a potential reality is that he's used the "leverage" of his campaign to strong arm Willa the same way he did with her play. She's a former call girl, if he cared about his status in the presidential campaign he wouldn't even consider her an option but he's so blinded by love, he doesn't even consider that. I love Connors loveable delusions 😂
Amazing Video
that playground line is the whole show.
where can i get more of this? (podcast, books, anything)
With time
damn. this is good
9:21 sounds awfully familiar to the Bertrand Russel quote his brother recipes to Greg. “Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim“. It’s funny to me that they kinda share the same philosophy in that instance even though their ideologies seem to be inherently in conflict with each other
Fabulous
How about this, Tom can care less of what Shiv thinks or says about him; its all an act. He's in it for the money since day one when he got her to say yes to go out with him. He proved it in the end when he sold her out
You missed something. The reason that line hit Shiv so deeply is because she began questioning if shiv, herself, should also "never have children."
i actually hated this season until i watched a couple of your videos. just hearing your perspective helps me see some of the brilliance that i missed. thank you.