Are you in any way associated with a Spanish Channel called DISPERSO? I just watched a video on his channel called SUCCESSION- La maldición de Kendall Roy. In which he (in my bilingual opinion) pretty much translated and copied your video on Kendall (the tragedy of Kendall Roy) I’ve noticed a lot of almost translated (as close as possible to keep coherence of course) points. Even making your 3 main points in the exact same order. Just wanted to let you know and maybe look into it with another bilingual person because maybe I just made some connections where they were none.
Oh thank you. No I am not associated with any other channel. I’ve had someone steal a video and translate it to German before too. I don’t know, it looks different but I can’t translate the language. It’s a tiny channel so I don’t think they’ll provide English subtitles for me to be able to tell
Oddly Willa seems like the best person in his life. That scene where she tells Kendall’s gofer “fuck off he’s keeping his jacket” was such a great moment for him.
Why is that odd~? They are in a good relationship. Anyway, I liked when Conner told Roman, that one person in the room doesn't think he's a jerk and he is going to listen to her~!
@@govindagovindaji4662 it’s odd because he basically trapped willa in the beginning 😭 forced her to stay isolated from the world in that ranch of his, it’s interesting how their relationship unfolded
@@aquafinner1505 I don't understand the narrative going around that Connor "trapped" or "forced" her into a relationship?? I'm in no hurry to defend any of the Roy kids but Willa always had a choice to leave him and she chose the money, like every other person on this show. Implying otherwise is just robbing her character of all agency
@@mysharona9097 she tried to leave multiple times though, he told her to stay in his ranch because love is a virus and she might catch it. even in her bachelorette she was very stressed out and nervous, she doesn’t love him the way he loves her. her reason for marrying him is to be secure and her mom liked the money. put yourself in her position, you would feel like you won’t be able to leave because you’re going to regret it. she’s in it for the money and overtime developed a soft spot for him. he did trap her in with constantly offering better things because she knows she won’t be able to have an opportunity like this again so she finds the will to stay
I'm glad he stood his ground when Roman wanted him to drop out of the election. Connor is the most tragic character, but he'll probably have a relatively happy ending by the end of the series, at least compared to everyone else.
@@JamesLee-mp8hk nah. I disagree. He's a huge narcissist. For instance, he proposed to his gf at his Mom's wedding lmao. He just gets a pass most of the time because up until now, the siblings thought of him as inconsequential. If they thought of him at all
Connor is such a great political satire, Succession shows who wants to have power, why they want that power and reason why it would never ever be enough
Even though they have a totally symbiotic relationship, Willa and Connor are probably the happiest and healthiest couple on the show. I believe she truly does love and care for him, even if it’s not a whirlwind passionate romantic affair. She supports him and stands up for him, as he does with her. It’s way different from what we see with Tom and Shiv or Kendall and Rava and Roman and Gerri. At the very least, Connor comes out on top in that regard.
@@gre8 Gerri is arguably the closest person Roman had as a confidant. She gave him sexual pleasure and a sexual release and it looked like their arrangement gave her a degree of sexual pleasure as well. I don’t think people’s pairing of them is that off the wall.
Honestly after watching the whole show, it feels crazy to say, but Connor feels like the best adjusted kid. At minimum he knows how to deal with the cards he has. I think the best portrayal of it is when his father died. He turns his father´s death into his marriage day, his loss in the elections to way to start a new life in possibly a new country. While Shiv, Roman and Ken are scrambling their way to losing once again in an endless cycle, he does move forwards even if just a little....he did win a WIlla and even if she does not love him, she respects him and stands by him and that is more than any of the other Roy kids have in their life.
But he bought her love and respect. Just like Logan bought love and respect from people in his life with money and power. Or the anticipation of power. Being in his “light” as shiv put it. I find it very similar.
@@HeatherHoltor, possible optional take, he bought the opportunity to earn Willa’s love and respect. Because there is absolutely a shift in how they speak to each other, their body language, all of that, over the course of four seasons that is clearly visible. I think he wouldn’t have earned the opportunity to have her love if he wasn’t rich, but she doesn’t love him because he’s rich. She loves him because he’s rich and took a chance on her work. It bombed, sure, but he didn’t leave. Just like his presidential campaign.
The standard for "best adjusted kid" on this show is so low that it does not really mean anything. It is like being the smartest kid in the slow class.
Conor and Willa remind me of a couple that’s been in a relationship for 15 years. The fire burning passion isn’t there but they support each other and work as a team. It may not be meant for a romantic movie but it’s something that actually can last.
Even though Logan treated him lesser, and didn’t even plan to go to Connor’s wedding, Connor was still the one who attempted to bring the family back together. The three kids will remember the last time they saw Logan in person was them telling him they wanted to bring him down. But Connor was the only one trying to get them all to forgive each other.
The difference between Connor and his siblings is that Connor actually experienced love, but it was taken away too soon. Not long enough to be a good man, and too long to keep him from being vicious. He’s in the borderland.
I thought the difference was that Connor could not mask his delusion. He made his mental problems too obvious. Kendall, Roman, and Shiv had masking skills and better manners in the office. They knew how people would react if they said "I want to be the US President." The other siblings failed to realize how much they were like Connor. Connor's chances of getting elected president were about the same as their chances of becoming the next CEO of Waystar or of getting Logan's approval.
@@josefk7437 I think that's a good take. I think it works pretty cohesively with my take on their characters. Meaning, what would be the reason that Connor is unable to mask his delusions vs his half siblings.
Instead of saying Connor's mom "abandoned" him, we should consider that she could have likely been forced into psychiatric care by Logan. Domineering men did this to "hysterical" women, especially if they're busy and/or ready to move on from the marriage.
But that was never mentioned in the show lmao.... It was just stated that Connor's mom was sent to Psychiatric hospital... It's already obvious what your ideology is and it's disgusting. Let me guess you were born in either a single parent home or broken home and you were educated through public school? let me tell you something... You've been brain...washed.
That was like a hundred years ago, maybe 60 at a stretch. Connor's mum would have been institutionalised in the seventies. Not sure how much 'hysteria' was still around then.
I love listening to Alan’s insight into connor and his life According to (I believe) Kieran, connor wasn’t even supposed to be a character character in the pilot and Alan practically made him on the spot
agreed. by going through with the wedding despite it all, he became the first and probably only roy child to ever stop waiting for daddy for validation and cues. personally, i thought it was bittersweet. it showed that while connor freed himself, he did so by finally accepting the fact that he will always be left out and a second thought to his father and siblings.
Connor is more free than any of the other children. The rest of the children are incapable of love, empathy or emotions. As abandoned as Connor has been, he avoids the terrible disease his other siblings have been infected with.
It’s true. I’ve known people like this. The money is involved in everything, and the kids are cold and jaded and selfish. And sad. It seems they’re incapable of joy. I know I’m generalizing but these Roys really are representative of a type. I was never close to such kids because they wouldn’t want to be friends with people outside their circles, I was more like an outside observer, just a scholarship student at a school for the very wealthy.
Connor Roy had a profound sadness about him, even though he was actually hilarious and seemed really quite nice (compared to the other Roys) but he really showed his Royness when he was kicking off about the cake not being right 😂
He was polling up to 6% in Alaska... I think it'd be hilarious if Connor's campaign actually gets the 5% national vote needed to pass the share threshold and receive government funding on the next campaign, something the real-life libertarian party has never managed to do so.
I think he’s a good representation of what steering away from Logan and his influence can do for you - given the circumstances. It’s like what Frank said to Kendall, “but you were doing so good, why do you want back in?”
I have really enjoyed your succession breakdowns. You always reveal something new I hadn't thought of before. I never saw that Connor was pursuing presidency as a way to impress his father, outshine his siblings and win affection from voters. He has some crazy political ideas and I genuinely credited him for doing his own thing rather than chasing after Logan, but I guess its all about Logan in the end.
If not for how horribly he treats servants, I'd say it's the best of the siblings since his delusion to be president only hurts himself. Even so, I'm glad he has Willa in his life. They seem to truly support each other and there are no illusions about why they are together. His relationship is the most stable. And even though Willa is with him for the money she really seems to care about him
“That love is strange and peculiar affliction. Its like a virus, so could you please just stay here for a while and maybe you’ll catch it” - Truer words have never been spoken!
After this recent episode, seeing Corner standing up to Roman and Willa supporting him goes to show that there is something more than to their relationship than just the money and status. It's not much but for Corner its proof someone believes in him and that means everything to him.
I do believe that Connor ended up being most respected by his dad in the end, albeit from him eventually realizing he won’t be his father, Connor ends up going to a dinner with his dads closest friends while the “kids” are still out “playing”. Connor was also the only one who visited his fathers body while all the others acted like children and never even saw it. Roman was closest to realizing this and I think he does realize in the end he will never be his father and is okay with it. But Connor is the strongest out of any of them because he took the most pain out of any of them.
Shout out to my fellow starter pancakes who have more attractive and accomplished siblings that have closer relationships with their parents 😭😭. (Though on second thought, Connor is more handsome than his brothers).
connor is my favourite character on the whole show. out of all the roys he is the only one who is never an asshole, never unkind, never backstabbing, and full of love for people who often only consider him as an afterthought. makes me wonder how the writers imagined his mother and his upbringing until her institutionalization to have been.
Probably because he's the one who spent less time with Logan- they're all broken because of how he raised them. But Connor's the most sad, simply ignored
"never an asshole, never unkind" Just remember the time he was given how the the incredibly insignificant power of overseeing the dinner at a charity event got to his head instantly. He was yelling at staff and firing people at the slightest inconvenience.
@@HavelockVetinari true, I did forget that! But I also thought he had some mental breakdown because the cake reminded him of the day his mom was institutionalized or sth?
"Connor was running for president ? " - Frank Vernon. Say what you want about him, but relatively speaking, Connor and Willa have the "healthiest" relationship of any of the Roy Kids. And his presidential concession speech was epic! Be Warned America, the Conn Heads are coming. lol!
They keep saying that Greg is the ultimate underdog but for me, I think it’s Willa. Willa is such a good secret player who got underestimated by everyone just because of her past. Connor is still in the presidential race thanks to her laying out the benefit of doing it. She seems to play a long game longer than everyone else. Also, the “underdog” Greg is such an underdog that the actor who played him (Nicholas Braun) is the very first name that popped up on the roll credits, something that mainly happens for the protagonist of the story. Not to mention that he’s the third main character who was introduced after Logan and Ken.
@@micheleeeeee You can say it that way But Greg is NOT an underdog and even though it’s about alphabetical order, he’s still very close to being the fourth main character after Kendall, Logan and Tom. The show simply makes us slowly learning about the Roy empire alongside Greg. We know things with him. We sees him slowly but surely succumbs to the moral corruption caused by the Roys. He’s like an avatar character for the audience so even though he’s underestimated by the Roys a lot, he’s never underestimated by the audience. Willa, on the other hand, is still being viewed by the Roys and the audience as a “stupid h0e gold digger who’s only with Connor for money” until this day, not as a potential player in the game. I’m still waiting for Greg’s master stroke, by the way.
My dream is that Connor gets one seat in the electoral college, the decisive seat. And for just one episode, Succession suddenly turns into Veep and everybody, including his brothers, suddenly need him.
I always think it's interesting to contrast his career in politics with Shiv's. Shiv was an effective member of a campaign team, and she did build a lot of that reputation on her own. It also really shows the revolving door of families with money and politics. You can dip in and out.
I feel for this dude because he is so pathetic. The writers of this series did a masterful job with Connor, as they did with all the others. I've met several people in my life who were born into very rich families, who went to the best schools, cultured, multi-lingual, but broken in their core because they didn't have the inner force to sculpt their own identity, and thus remained chained to the burden of their family's money and social standing.
Inner force is for poor people who need to lie to themselfs to go to a job they don't like and make the money to survive. Inferiority and lack of identity is subjective. there is not a single wealthy person i know who is not having a blast.
I've never noticed it before, but Connor's relationship with his father is a lot like his character's in Ferris Bueller's Day off - dad who is a wealthy, aloof, cold bastard
Weird, I was in a very Connor mood this whole morning and spent over an hour watching compilations of him. I couldn’t get enough. Then this video comes out like 30 minutes later lol gotta love it
Another absolutely brilliant video. Thinking about how he is always clinging to the 1% hits hard. I really look forward to your videos, you have an exceptional eye for detail and can get your thoughts across so clearly. I really really hope you do a Roman Roy video 😊
It’s unfair to say that Con’s mom “abandoned” him and “needed” the “care.” The siblings all clearly allude to Logan being the one who “locked her up” or “sent her away.”
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I think another aspect of Conner's passivity comes from this idea that if Conner is not outwardly belligerent or argumentative or "difficult" the way his mother is, then he will get that love and attention he so craves. However, this couldn't be further from the truth as I believe that Logan's love language is fighting, anger, and general upset. That is clearly demonstrated in his slight smile when Kendall blames the Cruises sexual misconduct on his father. Logan LOVES the fight, he loves kicking the proverbial dog to see if it will come back (maybe this is indicative of loyalty, and that is what his abuse is really about? Receiving loyalty/devotion from his children that he never really got from his own parents?). It's clearer still in how he pits the Roy-Collingwood children against one another, constantly making them fight over the CEO position AKA Daddy's approval. Additionally, as you point out, Conner is effectively an only child, so not only does he not know how to fight (as he never got to "practice" with siblings closer to him in age) and is therefore not useful as a source of fuel or love for Logan.
Damn, I didn’t even realize until now that when Logan was dying, they only went looking for shit at first. I guess the audience is trained to not think about Connor either.
Connor hurts my heart so much. It's nice to see him have a healthier marriage than any of the other Roys, even if it's just a supportive one and not out of true love. Also, because he has been interested in politics at a very young age, he has my vote. We're talking about the future president of the United States of America and the First Lady.
Conner is the only character that is actually WINNING. I dont see him as tragic at all. He and Willa are solid. He doesn;t feel a hole in his heart from Logans death. He has his own interest that are not shaped by his father. And - he is finally IN POLITICS and on his way to Europe. And its all from his own ambition. I totally disagree withcalling him TRAGIC. Ken, Roman and Shiv are the tragedy. They all have everything and nothing. Conner stopped needing then a long time ago. Its hurts Im sure. But...he will be way better then the others.
As soon as I noticed Will Ferrell was a producer on the show I though Connor’s character was based on Ferrell’s most popular characters. Because of this he sort of became a bigger joke than Greg was intended to be for me
I hadn't noticed how well written the character of Connor Roy really is. Also the way his father's death just on his wedding day once more, in a way, displayed his father denying him the attention he so desperately craves.
He does such a great job acting as an incredibly out of touch billionaire mired in the Dunning-Kruger effect like you mentioned. Really great character, the family is so dysfunctional and each member of the family all have very realistic and distinct attributes showing said dysfunction.
I have a theory that Tom is going to go ballistic on ATN after last weeks episode, causing Connor to jump high in the polls. I really do believe he will soar alot higher than 1% - because if Mencken gets shit on people will start voting Connor. It's going to be HUGE episode for conheads
I feel like the subtext to many takes on Connor is the tacit endorsement of the egomaniacal rat racing of his family and society at large. Connor is the only character inching towards creating their own metrics for success and happiness rather than living to please the ghost of Logan.
Brilliant, as always, thank you. I posted in another thread that the reason I love Conor so much is because he isn’t needed by the overall story arc or the other characters, and yet he exists. In this context, it was brave of the writers to create him and it was fantastic that HBO bankrolled Alan Rucks salary for what must have been seen as a superfluous character. It’s all the more remarkable that Conor makes the very necessary impact he does in an ensemble this strong. I’d watch a Conor Roy standalone show no problem. I’m going to make my weekly plea for you to have a look at Mr Inbetween (Disney+). We need this show to be given your observational eye.
@@BbGun-lw5vi Woohoo!! I’m delighted you’re liking it!! Honestly, I put it RIGHT up there with The Sopranos and The Wire for sheer authentic quality and a Gandolfini like quality by Scott Ryan in the central role….and he’s never acted before…AND he writes the whole thing…FFS!! You’re in for an absolute treat, I envy you watching it for the first time.
I wonder why Connor didn't go into academia, but it doesn't seem like the Roy family really cares about academics. You never really hear them talk about their college experience (besides Shiv's fling with that one guy, i think) or any college endowments. Rom couldn't even name a book that existents at the dinner with the Peirce family. But I can totally see Conor being a self absorbed, out of touch English Lit professor at some sleepy Ivy covered college.
I really hope Connor gets a proper sendoff in the series finale. He's been pretty much ignored this season, and I can only hope that's leading up to a surprise.
One of the most amazing things the show does is make us feel pity for a bunch a spoilt billionaires! Who if they went to get some therapy & worked on themselves they could do anything else they wanted
This is a brilliant explainer, I had even forgotten he had a different mother to the others. Wonderful casting again with Ruck playing him so perfectly.
Everyone on this comments are talking of Connor and the series itself, but no one is talking about the script of your videos, are awesome and always on point!
I don't know why I've not seen anyone else say this but their relationship is literally a more realistic version of Pretty Woman. for what it's worth I also believe their relationship is as genuine and authentic as any we've seen in succession and I think Willa will stick around under Connor shuffles off this mortal coil.
Connors entire over the series Connor creates an empire Where he controls new Mexico's water, ranching,farming and everything. He controls new mexico. He did it by shifting his election money into buying ranches and covering costs He gets enough vote where the president of the united states asks him to concede so he can win presidency Gets his choice of ambassadorships to a country known for ranching and supermodels and the president of the United States and him are friends with a direct line. Connor ends up being more powerful than his father and has a clear track in politics. Dude won.
This show uses so much black humor and satire that when they said she was a Call Girl I thought it was a joke. I find it hilarious that this family is in the 1% of the wealthy and he is polling at 1%.
At the end of the day, we may have to remember that 1% is better than 0%. Connor may have a relationship of convenience, he’s the one with the actual best relationship in that family
Are you in any way associated with a Spanish Channel called DISPERSO? I just watched a video on his channel called SUCCESSION- La maldición de Kendall Roy. In which he (in my bilingual opinion) pretty much translated and copied your video on Kendall (the tragedy of Kendall Roy) I’ve noticed a lot of almost translated (as close as possible to keep coherence of course) points. Even making your 3 main points in the exact same order. Just wanted to let you know and maybe look into it with another bilingual person because maybe I just made some connections where they were none.
Oh thank you. No I am not associated with any other channel. I’ve had someone steal a video and translate it to German before too. I don’t know, it looks different but I can’t translate the language. It’s a tiny channel so I don’t think they’ll provide English subtitles for me to be able to tell
@@JustanObservation I can tell you if you comment the title
@@Aliasass succession - la maldición de kendall Roy
@@chrisviolante1953 i meant the German one ^^
Another spaniard here and yeah your video definetely got swindled dude 😅
Oddly Willa seems like the best person in his life. That scene where she tells Kendall’s gofer “fuck off he’s keeping his jacket” was such a great moment for him.
i loved that moment
Why is that odd~? They are in a good relationship. Anyway, I liked when Conner told Roman, that one person in the room doesn't think he's a jerk and he is going to listen to her~!
@@govindagovindaji4662 it’s odd because he basically trapped willa in the beginning 😭 forced her to stay isolated from the world in that ranch of his, it’s interesting how their relationship unfolded
@@aquafinner1505 I don't understand the narrative going around that Connor "trapped" or "forced" her into a relationship?? I'm in no hurry to defend any of the Roy kids but Willa always had a choice to leave him and she chose the money, like every other person on this show. Implying otherwise is just robbing her character of all agency
@@mysharona9097 she tried to leave multiple times though, he told her to stay in his ranch because love is a virus and she might catch it.
even in her bachelorette she was very stressed out and nervous, she doesn’t love him the way he loves her. her reason for marrying him is to be secure and her mom liked the money. put yourself in her position, you would feel like you won’t be able to leave because you’re going to regret it. she’s in it for the money and overtime developed a soft spot for him. he did trap her in with constantly offering better things because she knows she won’t be able to have an opportunity like this again so she finds the will to stay
I'm a little bummed that Connor won't be giving the eulogy at his dad's funeral, considering how well he did at Uncle Mo's funeral.
I guess his version of the eulogy will just have to be our head Canon
Me too!
There's always a chance Roman breaks down and Connor saves him
Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll serve more as an emcee of the funeral, giving him plenty of opportunity for some great one liners
"Connor Roy was interested in politics at a very young age"
It's so bizarre to look at Connor and Willa in season 4 and realize they may very well have the healthiest relationship on the show.
It's not a healthy relationship, it's just the least dysfunctional.
He is the tallest and does have the best hair in the family. That's something.
All I know is that Connor Roy was interested in Politics from a very young age…
Because Connor Roy never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
The Conheads are going to love this
Lmao
That fortunately, is all I know too.
Another like farmer
I'm glad he stood his ground when Roman wanted him to drop out of the election. Connor is the most tragic character, but he'll probably have a relatively happy ending by the end of the series, at least compared to everyone else.
That's because unlike his siblings he isn't a narcissist.
@@JamesLee-mp8hk nah. I disagree. He's a huge narcissist. For instance, he proposed to his gf at his Mom's wedding lmao.
He just gets a pass most of the time because up until now, the siblings thought of him as inconsequential. If they thought of him at all
spoilers!!!
some people are saying that he’s gonna accept the oman job and the plane is gonna crash in the ocean 😭
@@aquafinner1505 nah that's not gonna happen
It's okay to not root for anyone in this show btw. They're all categorically evil.
Connor is such a great political satire, Succession shows who wants to have power, why they want that power and reason why it would never ever be enough
Coyg.
Coyg.
"I'm a plant that grows on rocks and lives off insects that die inside of me."
That is always going to stay with me.
is it still with you man?
Is it?
Is it?
Is it?
well?
Even though they have a totally symbiotic relationship, Willa and Connor are probably the happiest and healthiest couple on the show. I believe she truly does love and care for him, even if it’s not a whirlwind passionate romantic affair. She supports him and stands up for him, as he does with her. It’s way different from what we see with Tom and Shiv or Kendall and Rava and Roman and Gerri. At the very least, Connor comes out on top in that regard.
Roman and Gerri...
I still find it odd how people list those two as if they were a couple like the others.
@@gre8 Gerri is arguably the closest person Roman had as a confidant. She gave him sexual pleasure and a sexual release and it looked like their arrangement gave her a degree of sexual pleasure as well. I don’t think people’s pairing of them is that off the wall.
@@sva1665 They have relationship of sorts that Gerri exploited to her advantage because she was smart. But a couple seems like quite the stretch.
"He's so cute though" -Willow I like how Roman and Connor are so different but Roman always considers him. Connor may be my favorite character.
You believe that because you're as gullible as Connor is.
Honestly after watching the whole show, it feels crazy to say, but Connor feels like the best adjusted kid. At minimum he knows how to deal with the cards he has. I think the best portrayal of it is when his father died. He turns his father´s death into his marriage day, his loss in the elections to way to start a new life in possibly a new country. While Shiv, Roman and Ken are scrambling their way to losing once again in an endless cycle, he does move forwards even if just a little....he did win a WIlla and even if she does not love him, she respects him and stands by him and that is more than any of the other Roy kids have in their life.
But he bought her love and respect.
Just like Logan bought love and respect from people in his life with money and power. Or the anticipation of power. Being in his “light” as shiv put it. I find it very similar.
@@HeatherHoltor, possible optional take, he bought the opportunity to earn Willa’s love and respect. Because there is absolutely a shift in how they speak to each other, their body language, all of that, over the course of four seasons that is clearly visible. I think he wouldn’t have earned the opportunity to have her love if he wasn’t rich, but she doesn’t love him because he’s rich. She loves him because he’s rich and took a chance on her work. It bombed, sure, but he didn’t leave. Just like his presidential campaign.
The standard for "best adjusted kid" on this show is so low that it does not really mean anything. It is like being the smartest kid in the slow class.
Conor and Willa remind me of a couple that’s been in a relationship for 15 years. The fire burning passion isn’t there but they support each other and work as a team. It may not be meant for a romantic movie but it’s something that actually can last.
Very well put. They do work well as a team
more stable than a passionate flame burst lol
Often times burning passion leads to jealousy and resentment.
The actor does such an amazing job at Connor. A great balance of calm, vulnability, aloof and wounded.
Even though Logan treated him lesser, and didn’t even plan to go to Connor’s wedding, Connor was still the one who attempted to bring the family back together. The three kids will remember the last time they saw Logan in person was them telling him they wanted to bring him down. But Connor was the only one trying to get them all to forgive each other.
The difference between Connor and his siblings is that Connor actually experienced love, but it was taken away too soon. Not long enough to be a good man, and too long to keep him from being vicious. He’s in the borderland.
Excellent thought.
I thought the difference was that Connor could not mask his delusion. He made his mental problems too obvious. Kendall, Roman, and Shiv had masking skills and better manners in the office. They knew how people would react if they said "I want to be the US President." The other siblings failed to realize how much they were like Connor. Connor's chances of getting elected president were about the same as their chances of becoming the next CEO of Waystar or of getting Logan's approval.
@@josefk7437 I think that's a good take. I think it works pretty cohesively with my take on their characters. Meaning, what would be the reason that Connor is unable to mask his delusions vs his half siblings.
Instead of saying Connor's mom "abandoned" him, we should consider that she could have likely been forced into psychiatric care by Logan. Domineering men did this to "hysterical" women, especially if they're busy and/or ready to move on from the marriage.
Exactly
Plot twist: she legitimately never recovered from a mental breakdown
But that was never mentioned in the show lmao.... It was just stated that Connor's mom was sent to Psychiatric hospital... It's already obvious what your ideology is and it's disgusting. Let me guess you were born in either a single parent home or broken home and you were educated through public school? let me tell you something... You've been brain...washed.
to a young child there is no difference
That was like a hundred years ago, maybe 60 at a stretch. Connor's mum would have been institutionalised in the seventies. Not sure how much 'hysteria' was still around then.
FINALLY a Conor analysis, there is now a grand total of 2 on TH-cam. I have been looking for this!!! Thank you!
I love listening to Alan’s insight into connor and his life
According to (I believe) Kieran, connor wasn’t even supposed to be a character character in the pilot and Alan practically made him on the spot
That's so fascinating
Love your takes and videos, but I've gotta say, I felt Connor going through with his wedding was more Triumph than Tragedy.
I agree because he made the choice to continue… but it’s simultaneously symbolic of his life pattern of feeling ignored
agreed. by going through with the wedding despite it all, he became the first and probably only roy child to ever stop waiting for daddy for validation and cues.
personally, i thought it was bittersweet. it showed that while connor freed himself, he did so by finally accepting the fact that he will always be left out and a second thought to his father and siblings.
I’ve come to slowly realise that Bright, my new script, if made well, could potentially be my Star Wars, and it feels crazy
@@CarlMarxPunkFairy lives don't matter today.
That, and not giving her a chance to change her mind!
Connor is more free than any of the other children. The rest of the children are incapable of love, empathy or emotions. As abandoned as Connor has been, he avoids the terrible disease his other siblings have been infected with.
It’s true. I’ve known people like this. The money is involved in everything, and the kids are cold and jaded and selfish. And sad. It seems they’re incapable of joy. I know I’m generalizing but these Roys really are representative of a type. I was never close to such kids because they wouldn’t want to be friends with people outside their circles, I was more like an outside observer, just a scholarship student at a school for the very wealthy.
"Matthew macfadyen may not be pregnant but he never fails to deliver "
Connor Roy had a profound sadness about him, even though he was actually hilarious and seemed really quite nice (compared to the other Roys) but he really showed his Royness when he was kicking off about the cake not being right 😂
To be fair that cake brought up his most traumatic memory.
V good. As you say, Conor Roy has been interested in politics since a young age.
I'm hoping he gets to 2% in Alaska....
He was polling up to 6% in Alaska... I think it'd be hilarious if Connor's campaign actually gets the 5% national vote needed to pass the share threshold and receive government funding on the next campaign, something the real-life libertarian party has never managed to do so.
So well played by Alan Ruck. And a necessary character. The “kids” would be just insufferable assholes without his contrast as a child of Logan.
Connor is actually semi likable which is more than I can say about his siblings.
I think he’s a good representation of what steering away from Logan and his influence can do for you - given the circumstances. It’s like what Frank said to Kendall, “but you were doing so good, why do you want back in?”
I have really enjoyed your succession breakdowns. You always reveal something new I hadn't thought of before. I never saw that Connor was pursuing presidency as a way to impress his father, outshine his siblings and win affection from voters. He has some crazy political ideas and I genuinely credited him for doing his own thing rather than chasing after Logan, but I guess its all about Logan in the end.
If not for how horribly he treats servants, I'd say it's the best of the siblings since his delusion to be president only hurts himself. Even so, I'm glad he has Willa in his life. They seem to truly support each other and there are no illusions about why they are together. His relationship is the most stable. And even though Willa is with him for the money she really seems to care about him
"I'm a plant that grows and rocks and lives off insects that die inside of me"
“That love is strange and peculiar affliction. Its like a virus, so could you please just stay here for a while and maybe you’ll catch it” - Truer words have never been spoken!
By "truer" you actually mean "dumber", right?
@@Jay-JonesI actually think it's quite cute!
After this recent episode, seeing Corner standing up to Roman and Willa supporting him goes to show that there is something more than to their relationship than just the money and status. It's not much but for Corner its proof someone believes in him and that means everything to him.
Amazing deduction of Connor. And that last line in the essay is just brilliant
Yes. That last line was incredible.
I do believe that Connor ended up being most respected by his dad in the end, albeit from him eventually realizing he won’t be his father, Connor ends up going to a dinner with his dads closest friends while the “kids” are still out “playing”. Connor was also the only one who visited his fathers body while all the others acted like children and never even saw it. Roman was closest to realizing this and I think he does realize in the end he will never be his father and is okay with it. But Connor is the strongest out of any of them because he took the most pain out of any of them.
Shout out to my fellow starter pancakes who have more attractive and accomplished siblings that have closer relationships with their parents 😭😭. (Though on second thought, Connor is more handsome than his brothers).
“Connor Roy was interested in politics from a very young age” has become such a meme I can’t even
yes you can
He's the true ELDEST BOOOY!!
He's probably the healthiest and happiest out of all 4 considering. When he stands up for himself it's always 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
connor is my favourite character on the whole show. out of all the roys he is the only one who is never an asshole, never unkind, never backstabbing, and full of love for people who often only consider him as an afterthought. makes me wonder how the writers imagined his mother and his upbringing until her institutionalization to have been.
Probably because he's the one who spent less time with Logan- they're all broken because of how he raised them. But Connor's the most sad, simply ignored
"never an asshole, never unkind"
Just remember the time he was given how the the incredibly insignificant power of overseeing the dinner at a charity event got to his head instantly. He was yelling at staff and firing people at the slightest inconvenience.
@@HavelockVetinari true, I did forget that! But I also thought he had some mental breakdown because the cake reminded him of the day his mom was institutionalized or sth?
@@marykay7878 Yes the cake triggered him. Yes.
@@marykay7878 No that was his wedding
"Connor was running for president ? " - Frank Vernon.
Say what you want about him, but relatively speaking, Connor and Willa have the "healthiest" relationship of any of the Roy Kids. And his presidential concession speech was epic!
Be Warned America, the Conn Heads are coming. lol!
Very well written, edited and....observed. Much needed insight to Connor.
They keep saying that Greg is the ultimate underdog but for me, I think it’s Willa.
Willa is such a good secret player who got underestimated by everyone just because of her past.
Connor is still in the presidential race thanks to her laying out the benefit of doing it. She seems to play a long game longer than everyone else.
Also, the “underdog” Greg is such an underdog that the actor who played him (Nicholas Braun) is the very first name that popped up on the roll credits, something that mainly happens for the protagonist of the story. Not to mention that he’s the third main character who was introduced after Logan and Ken.
The names in the credits are listed in alphabetical order, it has nothing to do with the role of the characters in the show
@@micheleeeeee then wouldnt alan ruck be shown before than nicholas?
@@mantko3206 It is based on the surname
@@micheleeeeee You can say it that way
But Greg is NOT an underdog and even though it’s about alphabetical order, he’s still very close to being the fourth main character after Kendall, Logan and Tom. The show simply makes us slowly learning about the Roy empire alongside Greg. We know things with him. We sees him slowly but surely succumbs to the moral corruption caused by the Roys. He’s like an avatar character for the audience so even though he’s underestimated by the Roys a lot, he’s never underestimated by the audience. Willa, on the other hand, is still being viewed by the Roys and the audience as a “stupid h0e gold digger who’s only with Connor for money” until this day, not as a potential player in the game.
I’m still waiting for Greg’s master stroke, by the way.
@@micheleeeeee then wouldnt hiyam abbas be before everyone
My dream is that Connor gets one seat in the electoral college, the decisive seat.
And for just one episode, Succession suddenly turns into Veep and everybody, including his brothers, suddenly need him.
I always think it's interesting to contrast his career in politics with Shiv's. Shiv was an effective member of a campaign team, and she did build a lot of that reputation on her own. It also really shows the revolving door of families with money and politics. You can dip in and out.
Lol both of them are only there because of their last name
I feel for this dude because he is so pathetic. The writers of this series did a masterful job with Connor, as they did with all the others. I've met several people in my life who were born into very rich families, who went to the best schools, cultured, multi-lingual, but broken in their core because they didn't have the inner force to sculpt their own identity, and thus remained chained to the burden of their family's money and social standing.
Inner force is for poor people who need to lie to themselfs to go to a job they don't like and make the money to survive. Inferiority and lack of identity is subjective. there is not a single wealthy person i know who is not having a blast.
I've never noticed it before, but Connor's relationship with his father is a lot like his character's in Ferris Bueller's Day off - dad who is a wealthy, aloof, cold bastard
was just about to write this
That last line about Connor clinging to 1% was SO good!
the end of this video gave me chills
Weird, I was in a very Connor mood this whole morning and spent over an hour watching compilations of him. I couldn’t get enough. Then this video comes out like 30 minutes later lol gotta love it
google can read your mind lol
Another absolutely brilliant video. Thinking about how he is always clinging to the 1% hits hard. I really look forward to your videos, you have an exceptional eye for detail and can get your thoughts across so clearly. I really really hope you do a Roman Roy video 😊
It’s unfair to say that Con’s mom “abandoned” him and “needed” the “care.” The siblings all clearly allude to Logan being the one who “locked her up” or “sent her away.”
Yeah, I just assumed Logan used his power to do something like that.
Well, I managed to be emotionally isolated AND be completely poor.
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I think another aspect of Conner's passivity comes from this idea that if Conner is not outwardly belligerent or argumentative or "difficult" the way his mother is, then he will get that love and attention he so craves. However, this couldn't be further from the truth as I believe that Logan's love language is fighting, anger, and general upset. That is clearly demonstrated in his slight smile when Kendall blames the Cruises sexual misconduct on his father. Logan LOVES the fight, he loves kicking the proverbial dog to see if it will come back (maybe this is indicative of loyalty, and that is what his abuse is really about? Receiving loyalty/devotion from his children that he never really got from his own parents?). It's clearer still in how he pits the Roy-Collingwood children against one another, constantly making them fight over the CEO position AKA Daddy's approval. Additionally, as you point out, Conner is effectively an only child, so not only does he not know how to fight (as he never got to "practice" with siblings closer to him in age) and is therefore not useful as a source of fuel or love for Logan.
Damn, I didn’t even realize until now that when Logan was dying, they only went looking for shit at first. I guess the audience is trained to not think about Connor either.
No i was soooooo angry and screaming at the screen that they didn't go get him!!!
@@dammitmom me too! I kept counting the minutes and was like come ON get Connor!
Alan Ruck plays this role perfectly. I'm so scared for Sunday
Connor hurts my heart so much. It's nice to see him have a healthier marriage than any of the other Roys, even if it's just a supportive one and not out of true love. Also, because he has been interested in politics at a very young age, he has my vote. We're talking about the future president of the United States of America and the First Lady.
Big day for the Conheads!
Wonderful analysis man. I would just add that:
Connor Roy was interested in politics from a very young age
Connor Roy was interested in being a simp from a very young age.
Connor's arc is just heartbreaking
Do u like macfadyen's performance in "TAILGATE PARTY" episode???
Connor has turned out to be my favorite character .
excellent video essay as always! your voice is really soothing yet you hit all the dramatic inflections - perfect background for your content ❤
I need a video of Roman, he is still the most interesting character to me hope you can find the time to do it
Next week
@@JustanObservation nice 😊
Thank goodness 😊
@@JustanObservation aaaaaaaaah
SO glad to see a look at Connor
Conner is the only character that is actually WINNING. I dont see him as tragic at all. He and Willa are solid. He doesn;t feel a hole in his heart from Logans death. He has his own interest that are not shaped by his father. And - he is finally IN POLITICS and on his way to Europe. And its all from his own ambition. I totally disagree withcalling him TRAGIC. Ken, Roman and Shiv are the tragedy. They all have everything and nothing. Conner stopped needing then a long time ago. Its hurts Im sure. But...he will be way better then the others.
As soon as I noticed Will Ferrell was a producer on the show I though Connor’s character was based on Ferrell’s most popular characters. Because of this he sort of became a bigger joke than Greg was intended to be for me
he is literally me
Connor is the eldest brother!
But I really want him to win. Nothing would make me happier. For the republic of course.
The teaser for the next episode got me hyped for Conny to actually get more than 1% and my heart could burst.
I hadn't noticed how well written the character of Connor Roy really is. Also the way his father's death just on his wedding day once more, in a way, displayed his father denying him the attention he so desperately craves.
Connor is my favorite character in the show, and all of what youve said is exactly why!
Connor and Willa do have the most wholesome relationship out of all the siblings, tho.
The irony of the "1%" is awesome imo
He does such a great job acting as an incredibly out of touch billionaire mired in the Dunning-Kruger effect like you mentioned. Really great character, the family is so dysfunctional and each member of the family all have very realistic and distinct attributes showing said dysfunction.
All things considered he is still better off than all his 3 siblings. The only one who actually enjoys the privileges they were born with.
If succession is a study Connor is a control subject: all the wealth none of the attention.
I have a theory that Tom is going to go ballistic on ATN after last weeks episode, causing Connor to jump high in the polls. I really do believe he will soar alot higher than 1% - because if Mencken gets shit on people will start voting Connor. It's going to be HUGE episode for conheads
I feel like the subtext to many takes on Connor is the tacit endorsement of the egomaniacal rat racing of his family and society at large. Connor is the only character inching towards creating their own metrics for success and happiness rather than living to please the ghost of Logan.
“All he is is desperately clinging to 1%.” OOF
It’s fascinating that he skipped over something like the US Senate or Governor of New Mexico, which would have been a more attainable goal.
Brilliant, as always, thank you.
I posted in another thread that the reason I love Conor so much is because he isn’t needed by the overall story arc or the other characters, and yet he exists. In this context, it was brave of the writers to create him and it was fantastic that HBO bankrolled Alan Rucks salary for what must have been seen as a superfluous character.
It’s all the more remarkable that Conor makes the very necessary impact he does in an ensemble this strong. I’d watch a Conor Roy standalone show no problem.
I’m going to make my weekly plea for you to have a look at Mr Inbetween (Disney+). We need this show to be given your observational eye.
I just started watching Mr. Inbetween. It’s really good!
@@BbGun-lw5vi Woohoo!! I’m delighted you’re liking it!!
Honestly, I put it RIGHT up there with The Sopranos and The Wire for sheer authentic quality and a Gandolfini like quality by Scott Ryan in the central role….and he’s never acted before…AND he writes the whole thing…FFS!!
You’re in for an absolute treat, I envy you watching it for the first time.
I love that they actually used the phrase “ConHeads” in the last episode
I wonder why Connor didn't go into academia, but it doesn't seem like the Roy family really cares about academics. You never really hear them talk about their college experience (besides Shiv's fling with that one guy, i think) or any college endowments. Rom couldn't even name a book that existents at the dinner with the Peirce family. But I can totally see Conor being a self absorbed, out of touch English Lit professor at some sleepy Ivy covered college.
I really hope Connor gets a proper sendoff in the series finale. He's been pretty much ignored this season, and I can only hope that's leading up to a surprise.
One of the most amazing things the show does is make us feel pity for a bunch a spoilt billionaires! Who if they went to get some therapy & worked on themselves they could do anything else they wanted
This is a brilliant explainer, I had even forgotten he had a different mother to the others. Wonderful casting again with Ruck playing him so perfectly.
idk why but I feel Connor will be one of the only characthers that will have a happy ending (or less tragic) in the show
Connor always plays the referee/peacemaker because he was never seen as worthy to play the game, let alone win
That “First Pancake” line was brutal.
The other tragedy with Connor is he was often time was more of the father figure than well Logan Roy
Like the dad stuff that was mentioned by all Connor. That’s the second tragic part is he really gave love to his younger siblings
Connor despite being a dumbass is probably the least evil person on this show's main cast.
Everyone on this comments are talking of Connor and the series itself, but no one is talking about the script of your videos, are awesome and always on point!
I don't know why I've not seen anyone else say this but their relationship is literally a more realistic version of Pretty Woman. for what it's worth I also believe their relationship is as genuine and authentic as any we've seen in succession and I think Willa will stick around under Connor shuffles off this mortal coil.
Connors entire over the series
Connor creates an empire
Where he controls new Mexico's water, ranching,farming and everything. He controls new mexico.
He did it by shifting his election money into buying ranches and covering costs
He gets enough vote where the president of the united states asks him to concede so he can win presidency
Gets his choice of ambassadorships to a country known for ranching and supermodels and the president of the United States and him are friends with a direct line.
Connor ends up being more powerful than his father and has a clear track in politics.
Dude won.
"As they have more important things to do" => Well, their father just died, so... bad example.
Great, great essay otherwise.
One of the reasons I love this show is for how it tought me to like and relate to Connor. He’s surprisingly very human.
This show uses so much black humor and satire that when they said she was a Call Girl I thought it was a joke. I find it hilarious that this family is in the 1% of the wealthy and he is polling at 1%.
At the end of the day, we may have to remember that 1% is better than 0%. Connor may have a relationship of convenience, he’s the one with the actual best relationship in that family