BRAND NEW!!! 2022 Nukeproof Scout 290 - A First Look at the Gen 3 Scout
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
- 2022 Nukeproof Scout 290 is here and we're taking a first look. This is the most requested hardtails on the channel and I'm family to finally get one in. Today we take a first look, measure the geometry, and build it up with some of my favorite parts. I'm excited for these changes. Today I'll share some of my first impressions about this bike, then we'll review it asap. What questions do you have?
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*Hot take:* More brands should offer their entry/value tier HTs as frame options. A lot of people would love to move parts over from an older bike or just like building their bikes but don't want/need a $800+ USD frame.
Yup. Building up a entry level Rockhopper up with the Rockshox Judy, XT 1x11, SLX brakes, and Carbon wheels. The go was exactly what I wanted and the whole bike was $500, so cheaper than most frames.
Agreed! I wish more companies would put modern geo and modern standards on their entry level hardtails. Most entry levels still have QRs.
@@hardtailparty I honestly don’t mind 135qr. Even being a big guy, I’ve been riding MTB’s for over 25 years and have never had an issue with qr axles, especially for XC/Trail.
Also, I think that companies are finally hitting the Geo sweet spot for new riders on entry level bikes. 67-68.5 degree HT angles offer just the right mix of Handlebar/Lean turning that riders of both styles can enjoy the frame. That also allows new riders to learn to lean more, but not force them into it.
The new entry Rockhopper geo suits this, but best would probably be the Marin Team Marin’s. Great bike, just wish the frame was a bit cheaper.
At least most entry level bikes come with a 44mm head tube so they can be upgraded to a Tapered fork with a EC44 lower headset cup. It’ll change the geo about .5 degrees and increase stack by 12mm, but not too bad.
That yellow though 😳 I need this in my life... even though I already have a Scout, I need the yellow!! Great video!
I've got the 2019 scout best hard tail I've ever owned !!! owned it since new its done school runs with kids seats on it work runs when the cars been used . shredding trails u name it . highly suggest these frames to people
Hey Steve since you mentioned chain reaction cycles I think you should look at the vitus sentier vrx for the price the spec is amazing the geometry looks pretty decent as well
I'm very familiar with that bike on paper. I've tried to get one of those for years too. No luck.
@@hardtailparty fly me out to AZ and you can ride mine 😂
Man finally scout on hardtail party channel yahoo and yippee. Really happy to see finally a out review from you. really happy
You can never go wrong with Nukeproof 😁😁😁
I love seeing the boutique bikes but this like you said is everyone’s bike. It’s a frame I’m considering so I’m excited for your review. Thank you for all you do for the MTB community!
I purchased the v2 frame (M) last year and swapped all of my components to it and have NOT regretted it one bit. The geometry is perfect for play and being forgiving while learning to handle increasingly difficult trails. For the price, geo and quality, it can't be beat in my opinion.
The NS eccentric Alu Evo 29 has the better aluminium frame
Another great video! Have you happened across a Canyon Stoic yet? Just bought one for my wife for her first mtb and I'm impressed!
👌wow that's a great frame, i want one👌not sure to go for the 29er or 27.5, i do use a hardtail on my daily commute to an from work, but i do like fast flowy trails with a few small jumps, I'm not great at throwing the bike round type rider and doing huge jumps and technical stuff👍
LOOOVE the proportional chain stays!!! ALL hard tail builders should be doing that. There is no additional cost to the manufacturer!
There actually is a noticeable additional cost, but i think it's worth it.
@@hardtailparty Much less than doing it with carbon rear triangles.
The Nukeproof Scout is one of my favorite frames, just love the way it looks in yellow. This reminds me of the Octane One Sour frame I bought from Chain Reaction a couple of weeks ago. Seems like a solid frame for its price, but they seem unbelievably rare for some reason. Would be interesting to see some proper reviews of it.
Of octane one wants to send on, I'd be happy to review it. I had an octane one dj back in the day and i liked it.
I bought last years 290 and now I want the 275 . Nukeproof frames are bulletproof. It’s in the name, right?! My trek Roscoe 7 actually flexes and my 290 replacement was completely solid. Only buying Nukeproof till the C suite MBAs screw up the business.
Glad to see you got a Nukeproof on the channel...... was looking at this frame today and I must say I'm a fan like many others. ✌🏻🙂 and the yellow is beautiful.........I'm sold on the visuals 💛
“I’m not Blake. I can’t ride it like blake.”
Bahahahahaha yesssss. Love it. Thanks for that.
It’s weird how we watch a bunch of vids from the uk and never see bikes like that here or blokes talking like that here.
Why didn't they put the green from the race model as part of the frame only color options 😭😭 Its soo good!
I'd love to hear how it compares to Ragley's bikes.
I am currently riding a 2020 Nukeproof Scout 27.5 in medium. really looking forward to your ride review.
Excellent video! Love the fact that you are finally getting to review the Scout, and I am thrilled to see you giving an open minded look at a bike that has geo that isn’t your favorite. Can’t wait to see the ride review!
Thanx for another informative video! Excellent when it’s impossible to try direct to consumer brand bikes.👌
Is it possible to run a shorter fork and get a somewhat steeper seat tube and a less aggressive head tube angle? This model seems to tick all my boxes except I would prefer a 65.5-66 degree head tube angle.
I just built up and ride a 2021 290 with a 140 fork in the front.... Its a sick bike for sure. These things rip!
Brilliant video! I'm thinking of getting a HT after years of riding FS. The last HT I rode was a 2017 Specialized Fuse Fattie. I thought the large volume tyres would make the HT experience more pleasant than my previous HTs,... but they didn't! I'm still hesitant about building a HT but the 29er Scout is tempting.
I will now watch ur full review 🤞
Excited for the review.
Thanks for your consultation service! Looking forward to reporting back after I have a few rides on my new bike!
You should have a consultation service video, so happy customers can comment about their great experiences and purchases.
Thanks for supporting my consultation service, i really appreciate it!
FINALLYYYY IT'S HEREEEEEEEE
Ive taken my scout on a wide range of trails from rocky tech to rolling mellow trails. It truly is a versatile everyday bike.
Really been looking forward to your riding impressions of this frame. Can't wait to hear what you think of it!
Really excited that you finally got your hands on a Scout. I expect this to be a wheelie machine. I'll be impatiently waiting for the full review.
Beautiful yellow! When people mention Nukeproof Scout they often talk about Canyon Stoic as well, do you plan to check that out
Of course. My goal is to ride and review every modern hardtail. However, canyon never has one in stock to send me one.
It just strikes me time and time again these days, that every time I see a frame with some poppy colors I just feel joy. I feel the whole bike scene have been flooded with dark muddy colors for so long now that you almost forget other colors exist too.
Well, other things like cars as well have gotten pretty sad and boring color options for a long while too so these trends has got to go. I got no problem that the color grey exist, but when one car had 4 color options and all 4 are just different shades of grey, you know you're getting screwed.
Bring colors back. That'll be all.
My Stoic is gray😅
Another great first look Steve, nobody else comes close. Looking forward to the review even though I’m not digging the reach and STA numbers on this one.
Hey Steve, thank you for all the behind the scenes looks at these frames and your thoughts. How does the 29 pound weight that you mention fit on the spectrum from a weight perspective? In other words, what could the Scout look like from a lighter build perspective similar to your videos on turning your enduro hard tails into xc bikes?
The best way to answer that would be to compare just frame weights between the two. I can't remember the exact weight of the paradox v3, but it's on my first look vid.
Okay, it looks like the banshee paradox was 5.3lbs so pretty close. Thank you!
Awsome, i've been waiting for this bike since the first time i watched a hardtail party video, you rock Steve!!
I wanted to purchase a Scout from Chain Reaction in late 2019 (it was a 2018 model), but I had other Life expenses get in the way....Bummer, because it was listed at $1800 USD plus shipping (around $150 at the time for standard) w/ a full Shimano SLX build, Fox Performance 34, and everything else was their house brand components.
Would you recommend this frame to build a Mullet setup or maybe full 275? or I should go with the 275
Hi there HP! I'm in need of a replacement. I want to run my Rockshox Sid Sl 100mm fork with this frame. 5har makes the HTA and STA a bit steeper and the reach a bit longer.. I'm used to the Vitus Rapide. Do you think it's a good or bad idea?
👍I enjoy your videos steve, I'm 6ft and bought an XL, but i do like a shorter reach, and the 450mm reach would be enough for me, as with the longer reach i find it harder to manuel/ wheelie and throw the bike around😅
Good to see they updated the geometry, was so close to order 2021 Scout a week ago , ended up ordering a San Quentin 3 2022 which has great geo and similar to the new Scout 2022
still waiting on that Pedalhead review, I've noticed a couple unique ride characteristics on mine and am very curious to compare with what you have to say about it. Nice work as always.
It's coming...
I'm glad they've shortened that seat tube as mine cracked above the weld on the overly long seat tube on the previous model.
It would be awesome to see you look at the new Canyon Stoic hardtails. I have one and I want to see how it stacks up to some of the other 140 hardtails since that category is still very limited in options. Especially at the price that the Stoic 2 offers...
I've been in communication with them for 9 months, but inventory is always zero. I'm not hopeful I'll ever get one in.
I also have a Stoic 4, absolutely love that thing! Be sure that we will spam them bidding to send you at least the frame ;)
Loving your content! Greetings from Canary Islands!
@@tobiasdevries9175 i always encourage people to kindly contact companies. If we're rude or spam them, it may backfire and they'll be even less likely to send one. See my video "which bike do you want to see next" for tips to reach out to those companies.
Geo seems close to perfect. I personally don’t want a hardtail with seat angle much steeper than 75, but a full suspension could probably be 80 and be fine. I also think a trail hardtail should be setup with 140mm or less and 65 or less head angle.
Yeah I agree the geo is perfect for a trail HT. Reminds me of my Bird Zero 29. I’ve always been interested in comparing the two
So glad you were able to Finally get this Steve!
I'm still riding my Ragley Big Al now in the midwest but it was much better suited for AZ.
Party On!
Agreed! It's funny how the perfect bike for one area isn't the perfect bike for another.
The scout started out as a 4X bike so that might explain the sizeing
There it is!
16:39 Paul dropper lever, thanks!
That being said. Let's hope the new big a.l comes out soon!!
yes at long last. Can't wait for the ride review!
Hey Steve, nice review. I was one of those ‘overfork for stack guys!’ I ran a 150 pike with just enough tokens to make the last 20-30mm ‘emergency only’
With most really cutting edge, slacker and longer bikes, I find that a lower stack 120mm fork doesn’t worry me anymore, I no longer feel like a low stack equals road bike feel off road!
I can confirm that the UK has plenty of steep (often slippery!) stuff. Seat angle here is a bit of a mystery. Don’t forget the Pipedream Sirius is a UK bike with a super steep seat tube angle.
Maybe they still think ‘hang off the back’ for attacking downhill? I don’t know who leads their development these days, but I’ve even seen a GMB presenter run the mega avalanche on the 2nd gen scout here on TH-cam.
Keep up your awesome work.
Great video! What was the 29 2.6 tire you tested with? Is it a relativly big/small tire? Assume they were on the Horizon wheels. Thanks!
Built one up in 2018. Loved it! Never should have sold it :(
So so so looking forward to the ride review on the Nukeproof scout 😀
Awesome! I built up the previous gen frame with a 130mm pike and it’s been perfect for the Colorado front range. I’m curious to hear your thoughts on it.
good show my dude, cool to see the new 290 (medium) on review. I dig my 2021 275 medium... the reach is a little short for me @ 5'-9" but I don't always notice it
Finally!
I don't care you can't ride like Blake. I love watching him shred but that doesn't help me pick a frame nearly as well as your thoughts.
Thanks William! I have so much respect for Blake
thats the frame we all waited for 👌
Great looking bike! Doesn’t look budget at all!
Here's hoping you get the 27.5 version in next. I wonder if it fits 2.8s
Go 29er if you're going to put 2.8, 27.5 tyres in it. Better clearance and almost feels like a 29er.
Great review, I'll be on the lookout for your ride impressions. I just purchased the Scout 290 in XL, I'm thinking it's the Gen 2, flat Grey in color, did not have the chain stay protector. Have 2 rides so far, the more classic geometry seems to fit my riding style.
Can’t wait to watch the ride review.
You said short reaches on their bike? So is that mean they are good design for short person. I been looking around for a xs frame
Could I put 27.5 wheels with 2.4 front and back on the new xl 290 scout. ?.A few months time ,get a set of 29er wheels ?
Okay I'll take two of them.
What are your thoughts on the Devinci Kobain? Great vids
I haven't ridden one. I'm not crazy about super boost.
Great review of a frame for us normal folks. But I still think it needs a roach on the headtube.
All I see at the end is 5dev cranks and code brakes, nice.
I only see the nukeproof scout 290 in size medium would this be to big for me at 5 feet 5 inches 29 inseam ?????
I’m 5’11 with a 32 inch inseam. What size do you think I would be?
I just got the previous model. I’m glad to hear they didn’t push so far that mine is obsolete and can be just a frame swap with all the components I already have. Shorter seat post for me is the biggest update. Great looking bike. Can’t wait to hear your feedback
Im in the same boat as you and very much agree. Yeah the new one is arguably better, but as you say, doesnt make the old one obsolete at all.
Just cut your seatube down a bit. I did it to my V2 and now I can run a 180mm dropper. It’s been a game changer.
@@samhouk3152 I have been thinking about that. It looks like I can take about 20mm off and still have room for the clamp.
@@samleary2733 Yep! That’s what I did. I took it down as far as I possibly could before having to touch the gusset. I also extended the notch down as well. It pretty much looks factory at this point but I can now run a longer dropper. Which isn’t that big of a deal on trails but when riding jumps and pump-track it’s so nice.
Looks like they beefed up the chainstay a bit where those welds are toward the rear axel- mine broke on my Gen 2 scout.
i love hardtail thanks to you sir
good job! still waiting for the canyon stoic video though. now i'm also waiting for a ride along with Blake
Oh man, I'd love to ride with Blake one day. I think I'd be able to keep him in sight for 5 seconds max. He's an incredible rider.
I kinda like how Ragley/Nukeproof aren't going full blown modern geo, I think after so many Hardtail iterations they've got it dialled pretty well, looking forward to hear your thoughts as always 🤙
What you talking about I have a ragly mmmbop with a crazy 63’ head angle
@@ASAP2525 I was referring to their reach and seat tube angles which are relatively "conservative" numbers (compared to a Honzo ESD, or Sirius, for example), the HTAs are definitely modern
i think a minimum travel fork will be a good ride for it based on the geo :)
If I get the frame and add a longer fork, like a 150 or 160mm, does that mean the head tube angle will be more slack?
Yes among other geo changes.
what you all think about sc chameleon vs this one? which one to bought?
nukeproof has a winning recipe with the scout. haven't tried the new scout but i was faster on a 2019 scout than i am on my kona esd. something about this bike makes it very fast and capable
Hello, do you think Nukeproof Scout 275 size S would be ok for a 5'2 (157 cm) girl rider?
Yes
I’ve got the 2021 pro model and it feels amazing compared to my old giant fathom! I’m wondering how much faster the bike would feel If a swapped the assegai/dissector tire combo for dissector front rekon rear?
It would be noticeably faster.
For a shorter reach bike than you are accustomed to, can't you increase the handle bar stem length to feel more at home?
Yes, but it has an effect on weight distribution and steering. Wheelbase really comes into play too.
Hey Steve, you mentioned that Nukeproof and Ragley have the same parent company, is Ragley also part of Wiggle/CRC?
Yes
I love the videos Steve. You should cover effective top tube length and what it means for sizing if you do a lot of seated pedaling. You hint that this bike may be too long despite the conservative reach. I'm the same height as you but with a short torso and arms. I've found that my preferred range for effective top tube length is 545-560 mm with a 40-50 mm stem. I can handle 580 mm with a 35 mm stem, but my body doesn't like this on rides longer than about 25 miles. I like this frame, but even the size small 27.5 version has an effective top tube close to 600 mm. I'm glad that there are now many hardtail frame options with slack head tube angles, but they are getting too long for me to comfortably ride. The size small Santa Cruz Chameleon has the same issue. I'm in Colorado, so there are lots of long seated climbs. I also pedal to the trailhead most days. I can see how I might not be as affected by the longer effective top tube if I only rode rolling terrain where I didn't spend much time in the saddle, but that's not my reality.
Are you doing yoga?
@@Windband1 I could work on flexibility more. Regardless of my personal fit preferences, it seems like there must be a fair number of people even shorter than me that may be experiencing fit issues as the smallest frames keep getting longer.
@@NoCoBG Are you slamming your saddle forward? That helps.
We need more videos per week lol. Looks like a great build.
Wish i had the bandwidth. More videos per week actually hurts my channel metrics.
@@hardtailparty Understandable.
how tall are you? I'm just over the edge of the M size according to nukeproofs sizing. So in doubt of getting the M or the L
Im 5'6" with a 28" inseam
@@hardtailparty ok, i'm 5'10. Would you also recommend the size M or go for the L. According to tge website size chart i'm right in between
or does this question needs to be answered via your consultationbureau?
Im always hesitant to recommend sizing online. It depends on a lot of things. Terrain, riding style, body proportions, speed, and goals. I Don't want to be responsible for someone getting the wrong size. Without seeing them in person it's tough. I do make sizing recommendations in my consultation service, but even that comes with a warning that it's impossible to nail sizing without seeing the person on a bike.
Finally!
The gen3 dropper routing is much improved from Gen2 (which I built up for my wife) which comes out the bottom of the down tube, and loops externally under the BB. Who thought that was a good idea?? Coincidentally it is now almost exactly like the Ragley Marley frame (which I built up for one of my kids). Not a coincidence since CRC/Wiggle own both brands…. But really, I’m struggling to see the distinction between the frames/brands.
They ride pretty different despite looking the same online.
Interesting about the gen 2 dropper routing because two of my sons have 2021 Cub Scouts and they use the dropper routing Steve described on the new frame, even the same plastic guides where the cable enters and exits the frame.
Which one frame you think it's better nukeproof scout or ragley marley???
It depends on so many things. Which is better, a jeep or a WRX?
@@hardtailparty sorry?😅 I just love both frames and i don't know which one is stronger that's what I'm trying to find out
How can I get a complete 29er of this bike in Large
Strange that the 175mm dropper doesn't fit, ive put a 200mm dropper on my scout 2020 but that was a XL frame tho
And therein lies the difference. Larger frames have longer seat tubes.
Does the 290 Work with 27PLUS tyres?
I know there has been a 275 model. But versatility.
See video
@@hardtailparty Great. That's why your number one ;).
Look forward to the review.
AH yes, the video I've been waiting for
With 1,81 m an L or XL?
Gorgeous colour💛
REALLY interested to see how you get on with this one! Curious if you have you seen the scoutin about video serious nukeproof released? There is 3 parts over the span of quite a few years, really really great hardtail movie, highly recommended! Would love to see your thoughts on a comparison between short and long travel fork setup on this bike mateas a lot of us in the UK like to run bigger travel 150minimum upto 170 is actually quite common, Blake Samson's scout is setup with 170mm and Elliot Heap Nukeproof team rider also had is at 170!
I run a 170mm Zeb on mine which is already taller than a 170mm Lyrik. Works well, I ride steep tracks with drops and jumps and no cracks yet! Just wish the STA was steeper for climbing. Geo like a Hello Dave or Moxie is what is needed for 160/170mm forks.
@@slipperyseal762 oo nice 170mm Zeb sounds like a lot of fun! I run 170mm dvo diamond on my hardtail and like you I feel the same, I think the steep stuff is where the long travel really shines, I'm 20mm overforked so I feel you on the STA haha
@@SUPER8ALTERN8 The Diamond and the OTT will be great on a scout. Smooth! I may drop my zeb to 150mm and see how it rides.
@@slipperyseal762OTT is amazing but you need to get it dialed in just right or its not doing that much.
It depends on the riding you do for sure, 160-170mm hardtails are just so fun down steep but 140-150 give you the best bang for buck hands down with that playful pump track feel!
I've done vids on different travel lengths. 130mm is my sweet spot for travel. Any more and it starts to ride like a stapler for me.
Can I put 170 fork?
looks pretty sweet!
Man i would love to see you do geo measurements on a san quentin 3, i got one and the stack is so low that i am running a 60mm riser on it!
The stack is absurdly low on that bike.
@@hardtailparty It really is, even with the riser it doesnt feel higher enough, but it does feel 100x better.
Right now this frame is $699 USD??? Looks like last years model is still available for $359.99 but $699 seems a little high.
how tall are you this is M? iam 183 is large size ok ? or maybe M
What is the chainring size?