Please, please sign, its human rights, EVERYONE NEEDS A RELEASE DATE. Fair enough if a person is sentenced to LIFE, but NO RELEASE DATE .. its against Human Rights!! Help family's of ipp prisoners get their loved ones home. enough is enough ❤ Exactly he said there, its not just punishing the person, but the FAMILY, FRIENDS, we DO the SENTENCE with them. you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/free-the-remaining-ipp-prisoners
You do realise that there is probably some IPP prisoners that are murderers and child molesters, right Samantha Chandler? A much better response would to be to review each case and apply a proper term with release date, and if applicable, if a person has exceeded a typical sentence for their crime, they can be released. If they committed murder, then they should probably have the traditional 25 to life and not be released merely because they are on an IPP.
MissFoxification I agree. My daughter's dad is serving an IPP for drugs related crimes, he got 6 & hlf years - appealed & lessened to a 3 & hlf yr tariff. As said, Blunkett himself has even said "he regrets handing out IPP sentences". Its not just mental torture on the prisoners, but families. My now ex & was at the time when he was sentenced, is a very headstrong man, but there are those who have taken their lives. I know of one case a man set his mattress alight when drunk, he then tried to put it out but got trapped in the room & the house went up. No one was hurt, only him inside. To be honest, I haven't heard of many IPP's being murders, I guess as murder is a crime that should really carry LIFE. Also when they are released the probation requirements are that of a murderer, so even if set free, their never really free. All those cases that have gone over NEED too be reviewed independently back in courts.
Punishments are not only shaped to fit the crime, but to preserve the safety of the public. Functionally there are people with IPP's that if retried will definitely be given a sentence that exceeds their lifespan. Why spend money retrying those people? They are never going to get out. I'd rather see that money spent on higher education inside prisons. That actually gives people a chance in life and reduces recidivism greatly. The only ones that should be retried are the ones that are on IPP's for crimes that typically get less than a life sentence.
Spent some time inside while IPP was active and by far the guys on IPP were the most dangerous not because of the crimes they had committed but when they have given up on ever being released. a standard sentence has an end date you're going to try and avoid trouble 3 years into a 6 year sentence etc but when you've lost all hope of ever getting out it can start to change people into people who are no longer safe to release which just compounds the problem.
I'm saying the harsh prison sentences are similar to that of American ones, would never think that GB would have sentences like that, America's sentencing is even harsher. and come on man you know 10 years for assault is just honestly to much, a decade of your life gone because at a young age you made a poor life changing decision, now a majority of your life is gone , you only get one of those, prison shouldn't be about locking up people for misdemeanors and throwing away the key, it should be about rehabilitation and not for profit
Johnny McIntyre was released in 2017. Just got done for blackmail, he received a 6 year sentence for that alone. His Licence destroyed. He may now spend the rest of his life inside....
Nah not in UK. a guy who killed an ex-soldier, while working as a bouncer, charged with manslaughter. Then sold drugs as a dealer (not sure if he was charged with that tbf) then he was charged with assault, with no punishment. Then 2018, Jan, he assaulted my mum, me, and my dad (the guy is like 25 stone, huge) and got off with a suspended sentence, got to keep his job too. UK is just simply insane. Injust justice. Gone through that and seeing these guys making one mistake and them serving time, wasting their lives, it's a shame. I'm so sorry for them. & that fat bully gets to walk free without any affect on him, mental, fudgin mental.
1:20 GBH with intent (using a weapon) is not a minor crime. I't can also be called aggravated assault or attempted murder. Johnny is not a shop lifter. VICE Do a story on a shop lifter.
oh come on your idiots? you never had a fight - its not a crime to win the fight? it takes two to fight... where is the other guy you call the victim who may of even started it? it was a pub fight.... i remember when men would fight and shake hands after - now you are all snow flakes that think the winner should lose his life?
Most Politicians should be jailed for life.for Phedifilea and distroying Childrens lives,of course they are well educated and rich.they are classed more Humen then the less educated and the poor..👹👹👹
Why do I get the feeling that this _survival fire_ got out of hand and either impacted or threatened several other peoples lives. You don't get an IPP based on arson for rubbing sticks together.
Johnny was sentenced to 3.5 yrs. for Grievous Bodily Harm.He hit s/o in the head with a bat or tire iron. Seems near to aggravated battery or even attempted murder.He's done 8 yrs. seems like time for release, but what about the man he fought who is likely disabled for life and a taxpayer liability for life ? You beat s/o to the point where they can't regain their normal life , make a living....for little or no reason.You should have to support that victim of your excessive use of violence. That is far different from the chronic,habitual shoplifter who should do a short fixed term at most and make restitution to the vendor as well. GBH is a major felony and we are given no info about what happened to Johnny's victim or Johnny's prior records. Crappy reporting.
+yumi mango i dont care if you shot someone in the face or stole a loaf of bread, either way you should know exactly how long your sentence is. being left in limbo for years is cruel and unusual and will only make criminals more violent in a attempt to avoid said "limbo".
+yumi mango It´s not so much about how hefty the prison sentences are. Its about not knowing if you'll spend 3 years or 20 years in jail. That more or less fits the description "cruel and unusual".
ofnotandi So what ? GBH could mean the other party may never walk/talk/work/make love again .I want to know the details of this case before i decide how much and what type penalty should be handed down. Cruddy reporting.
+yumi mango Exactly. I want more than the perp's family's version of what happened. Let's see the victim; were there any debilitating effects? Since we're ignorant on the details of much of this case, it's impossible to tell whether the sentence was justified or not. Sloppy journalism.
The guy Johnny hit over the head had life changing injuries and will need to be cared for for the rest of his life - they leave this somewhat important fact out of the documentary.
So in other words he committed "attempted murder" Ya 8 years for ruining someones life is nothing. Imagine complaining about serving 8 years when you beat them half to death and left them permanently disabled.
Think of the victims of these people. They have been locked away for a reason. If VICE did balanced reporting they would have interviewed the victims as well.
Second bloke ‘beat someone up for no reason, convicted gbh but he made a mistake’ no mate, you put someone in hospital for no reason, you are a danger to other people. Both cases No Fucks Given.
alcohol maybe? drugs? bad up bringing. Nobody is born bad. If a part of a plant is dying you dont rip it off and hope for the best. You use logic and reason.. something people in power seem to intentionally lack. No. you find out what is wrong with the soil, or is the plant not getting enough light, is nutrients being taken to one part more so then the other and you fix it. You need to think far bigger then just stupid bone idle BBC news watching tunnel vision on how to solve the problems of this world Maybe if more funding was taken out off the rich and given to the poor you would have less people being brought up in such a way. I certainly believe people who have had children at an early age or anyone becoming a parent should have to take a coarse on it first. Or at the least have more comunittie support for neighbourhoods prone to poverty and dodgy upbringings. Societies like Norway, Sweden Germany have far better success rates because they work on fixing the systemic problems in society
@@leanbean359 Rubbish. So you think only the poor council estate kids get into situations they shouldn't be in. You think only the poor take drugs or drink alcohol to excess. People make choices, his choice was to drink or take drugs, his choice was to attack someone for no reason. The choices we make are what makes us the people we are. I was beaten to shit by my step father when he was drunk which was most weekends. I lives in a huge council estate. I do not drink and I have never hit my two children. I made that choice by myself not by nature. I also hate the BBC and never watch it, so never buy a BBC TV licence. If you think taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor will help the poor you need to look at history. It has never worked. The only thing that happens when you do that is make everybody poor. When everyone is poor there is no investment, no drive, no reason to get out of bed in the morning. Stop blaming the rich (and I'm not one) on all your problems. He made a choice. His choice was to get drunk, get high and brain someone.
bless her, she's right, thats what any mam would say. 8 years on, yeh he was silly, he admitted he was wrong, probably drunk and daft. but he doesnt sound like a fighter.... do you really think after 8 years he should still be in there? when pedo's get less? shake your head mate, he's had his time
@@dmcduece2287exactly. it boils my piss. 8 years for a daft pub fight, some murderers get out not long after 10! kiddy fiddlers deserve this, i feel sorry for the lads wife and family
I don't feel sorry for him or his family. I agree that pedophiles should never be released, and yes some murderers do get out in ten but that does not make what he did any better. He deserves too be where he is. And he should get a lot more people in there with him. I hold my head high. I am a free man who has not been convicted of a crime just like 99.9% of the population.
Maybe youve had a sheltered life and been lucky enough not too be plagued with mental health issues you dot know he did what he did..your just on youtube judging him too your standards..some people have problems and make mistakes prison should be rehibilitating and teaching not just locking them up and turning them into worse people.
What really destroys these prisoners is not knowing their release dates. This is where the system is very unfair. People do minor crimes and end up with indeterminate sentences.
It's absolute savagery to give anyone a sentence without a release date and then take years to hear their case for going home. This is heartbreaking to see and we have very similar problems here in the states with for profit incarceration. It's not hard to see why people like Michael's friend give up hope on ever going home, it's a natural response to losing all freedom and control, heroin starts sounding real appealing when you've got no hope left...
They both deserved the sentence they got! Johnny's family has played his crime off as a silly little thing he did when he was young. They also went out and celebrated thinking he got a light sentence for almost killing someone, who does that? Where are the shoplifters that's been mentioned in the titles?
Aye, my heart bleeds. These should have thought of this when they attacked someone. Sorry, but I won't be losing any sleep over violent offenders who are kept in jail.
Sleep well with murder's, rapists and vile pedophilic monsters walk amongst us but Johnny's locked up. Yeah real safe to what real scum bags need, locking up!
There are a few people I had the misfortune of crossing paths with that I feel keeping them away from the public is the best thing and they always seem to get short sentences. And theses people in the film seem harmless
This is the side of judicial systems that just makes me want to rip my hair out! No doubt these people needed to spend some time in prison, but due to some inane political positioning and posturing, these human beings are being denied their rights, completely. The woman standing beside Johnny and supporting him is awesome. Wish there were more like her in the world.
IPP, the most unjust sentence ever, people have done as much time as murderers, and more than armed robbers etc. These poor people should be released be now.
Salty potato I agree with you, however the punishment is certainly not fitting the crime. Let me ask you a question, you go for a drink, your out with friends and your partner gets attacked and has to defend themselves or you.. They retaliate to protect themselves or you against these retarded drunken scum whose main objective was to cause a fight or get laid, they get the fight and come worse off, should the person defending him self or you do 8 years? Child molesters only do 2 depending on the severity of the crime.. Defending yourself and your loved ones shouldn't be a crime, how unfortunate in England, it is. I don't call them.people criminals, the real criminals are the trouble making scum.
Salty potato It was a hypothetical question, you don't need to go to pubs, violence can happen anytime. You could get burgled, go shopping, road rage..The point is, regardless of the situation, you sometimes find yourself in a unwanted situation that can't be helped, situations from there can very easy spiral out of control. It is also very easy to forget about these prisoners for a moment of madness.
Salty potato Not everyone is as blessed and privileged as your good self. However, it can happen to anyone, hard to predict what you will do or won't do in any given situation, do you have children?
Salty potato Excellent, full respect to you, but I still think you are blessed, I know a few people personally that have been to Uni and got degrees in teaching, yet they still can't get a job, they also work very hard, life can have a funny turn for some people. despite how hard and how much some people work and achieve the smile of fate stops them going any further. 3 times I have tried to personally open my own business and 3 times at the last minute, a spanner has been thrown into the situation. Yet a person I know can't read properly or write, yet he has his own.business, he kind of just fell into it. That's what I meant in regards to you, I have a good job myself, which has took a lot of hard work, what is meant to be will be. Fail on one hand, achieve with the other. I also don't want you thinking I was being patronizing, because I wasn't. Now you seem Like nice person, you don't go pubs and do the other stuff, however if you had a burglar that broke in your home in the middle of the night and wanted to do harm to your daughter, I pretty much doubt that you would think, well I have a pretty good lawyer so I will wait till he's finished and call my lawyer and police, when your child is crying and screaming, calling out in pain and fear for mummy/daddy to stop the pain and save them, your maternal instinct will be to protect your child, by any means necessary, now imagine if it went terribly wrong and the burglar ended up in a bad way, you then lose your great job, home and your daughter, you are now in your 7th year in prison, your life is ruined, you have lost your home, forget about your great job, because despite all your hard work, you will never get a great job again, you still don't know when your going to be released and every day is in agony, the not knowing is the hardest part. Someone who has committed manslaughter is going to be released today, next week a armed robber is going to be released, you still have know release date. You think to yourself in your cell every night, all I did was protect my own, the guy didn't die, I didn't kill anyone, what if things had been different, you ask yourself. But there not different and you are potentially still in jail for another 2 years, same time as some murderers. Do you see what I am saying in this hypothetical scenario? I repeat, the punishment does not fit the crime, IPP, is the most disgusting, criminal, unfair system ever. This isn't justice.
Salty potato some people make it, some don't, you 're blessed, you deserve top respect for achieving so much.. I don't mean you have had everything handed to you on a plate, I do mean that you becoming a nuero surgeon over. many that haven't despite others having same qualifications over you, makes you blessed, there is nothing good about the IPP, people don't always think on a split reaction, no matter what the sentence and please don't be so naive, you may have the best security system to date, this does not mean it's impossible to break in your house, difficult yes, impossible no, banks also have top security systems, even Buckingham Palace has been broken in to, potentially the best in the world as on top of the system, they also have physical security.
Speaking with inmates, their families, lawyers, and a Parole Board veteran, VICE News exposes the UK's forgotten prisoners. Watch "Institutionalized: Mental Health Behind Bars" - bit.ly/1iYLUx5
+VICE News The inmate hit someone behind the head with a weapon. He knew well where and with what to hit, in order to put the guy down. The victim could have well died from it. Lucky both that he didn't die. The inmate was a man when he hit that victim WITH INTENT, now he is whining about dropping the soap. Do the crime, do the time. End of story.
+Sann Ingen Brits are known for their lack of intellect. Its hard to debate with people with the IQ of a strawberry. Putting people in boxes makes them easier to coop with. If you don't fit, Brits tend to ignore them. Its a cultural thing. They cant help it. Centuries of submission and conditioning makes Britain one of the worst places in the EU to live. They lack work, education, health service and a good standard of living. But still they think they are the centre point of the world and a country to be recognized... lol. Its sad, but these are facts. That's why its good to see programs like Vice... a more neutral source of info rather then the condition effect of the regular news programs (BBC, Sky etc.)
You are disgusting. You ignore the indefinite holding of convicts for crimes like shoplifting and fighting to make it about what the victim thinks? When there is a jury for a crime, the jury box isnt filled the victims family members because they are not impartial. 8 years is a long time to spend your life being held against your will. The excuse of the parole board that this man may commit and his family being so supportive may hide him as an excuse to continue to hold him prisoner is an absolute disgrace. Thought crime to the max. Thats what the UK has become I guess. Good thing the sycophants like yourself enable it.
Kyle Hornung We rely on experts to decide whether someone is fit to be released into society. They make an informed judgement on our behalf and that of any victims. If they decide to release and that scumbag does it again then people like you may go ape. And that is understandable. So the threshold they put down must be a high one. In the meantime they get to sit in a nice cosy room, read books, make freinds, fed and watered, go to the gym, and play computer games..... Sounds like happy days to me, for all concerned!
Sadik Meah Not in any civilized society but I have no clue where you're from so maybe you're right about your country's prisons. Please let us know where you're from so we can avoid a shithole like that. Any country with a public revenge fetish is not a place I ever want to visit or support in any way.
As it's stated by many others in the comments, GBH with intent is not a 'minor' crime. In fact it's one of the most major crimes. He should be doing 15 years at least!
GBH with intent you're looking at 5-7 years anyway, there's no way you'd expect a 4 year sentence with parole from an offence like that to be out in 2 years. But what's happening to these prisoners is still shocking, it's a waste of public resources and is a practice kept for some of the worst places for sentencing like Broadmoor that only get released on doctors orders, people like Charles Bronson served almost a decade there with no release date and he is still in prison to this day. If I were in this situation I'd rather be in Broadmoor because at least I'd have a chance of being in a rehabilitation wing where you have your own space, your own keys and more freedoms like fresh air, gardens, mini super markets, etc. At the end of the day you're still serving a sentence with no definitive release date.
I know exactly how these families feel as my dad has done 8 years all together and recently been recalled back in November and prole have said multiple dates of release and there is still no sign of him coming home until his original sentence is up.
10 years inside! Crikey! He has got a good girlfriend sticking with him! I wouldn't mind listening to the people these guys have attacked and how bad there injuries where
There seems to be something wrong with how the system classes and categorizes the criteria for severity of punishment. A drug user gets put in a cell with a murderer, or a man glasses someone and mutilates them for life and gets two years, and a shoplifter gets 5!! Crazier examples are out there.
aremedy frosty Who knows but at least they still have someone visiting them and writing them letters, if you had been to pen you would know what that means.
@@leonhenry4861 wrong, 12gbh, then 20 a second with time. In prison committing more Violent acts. You didn't get one first Time out and given the stats show half all IPP's get recalled that shows the system is needed. Secondly the board calling out the family means they have MAJOR concerns about how the family would act and given it was a CONSTANT stream of excuses for his behavior as 'something silly' a mistake that drops massive hints there is risk there.
I've known 2 IPP prisoners and they were extremely dangerous personalities who were guaranteed to commit more violence, whether that was against associates, strangers or their own families. I've also known a couple of people who have escaped IPP sentences that the authorities had applied for because the applications were turned down. They were equally dangerous and uncontrollable. All had long records of extreme violence and use of weapons. 2 had convictions for kidnapping. (All of the people who escaped IPP sentence applications went on to commit more violent offences. It was a way of life for them) That's just my own experience.
+marshall leng ...clearly you don't get it. American Private Prisons are huge. They rake in piles of cash in funding, and an easy way to make cash is 1) fund politicians who will help get you more cash and 2) get more prisoners to get more funding.
@Wristpecked Whammingimagine you got into a fight and next thing you know your in jail for 8 years fucking idiot free pass would be no jail time in Canada I could wack some one over the head with a pipe and do like 3 years tops if I got a decent record people stab people here and do 6 months
When they say he got hit over the head with a weapon, did the guy just suffer a concussion, or did he maybe become paralysed, or did the poor bloke die?
We can deduce that something serious happened yes, because he pleaded guilty to wounding with intent. I suspect if it had been a seriously disabling injury then the tariff would have been significantly higher.
Man this story made me feel sick. 4 or 5 years past your sentence has to really take a toll on your mental health. In Canada we just struck down a mandatory 3 year minimum federal prison sentence for firearms violatons such as expired licence while owning a prohibited firearm, modified magazine limits and other dumb paperwork shit. The supreme court tossed out Harpers policies sighting it was "cruel and unusual punishment" for someone that has a clean record and commits a violation like I described.
Sounds like today's Biden/Harris Corporation/Administration. The Democrats want to be hard on criminals like the Republicans, but punish the innocent and release the violent. Completely opposite the Republicans. Pisses us all off something awful.🤬
Madness! When we have murderers and rapists etc getting lighter and easier sentencing 🤦🏼♀️ this seems like a gross misdirection of appropriating the IPP in the first place this should only be reserved for murderers, attackers, rapists & peadophiles those that pose a serious threat to others the system isn’t fit for purpose a lot of the time!
As somebody who is aware of the sort of offences and offenders that were subject to indeterminate sentences, I'd say enough of them were worthy of it. And if not that, at least 5 years (10 handed down).
These sentences are worse than life sentences. Being banged up without knowing when and if you are coming out would destroy most people mentally. It’s hostage.
"You're not just punishing me, you're punishing my family" - YES and that's YOUR own fault, buddy! When you get sentenced for the crimes YOU committed, ALSO your family suffers - not just you. And that's all your own doing, it's the reaction to *your* action - it's not the justice system's fault.
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Yes, it is. Usually if you get a 3.5 year sentence, you get out in . . 21 months (If you behave) Even if you DON'T behave, you'll do at most, 3.5 years. So how can it be OK to get sentenced to 3.5 years, and still be inside 8 years later?
Galltron3000 I'm not going to get into an arguement with you about it. The point I was making was directed at the other guy who called them guards when they are prison officers, and the prison officers work to a set of control measures decreed by law. You also don't seem to realise that detainees a guantanamo are being held without charge, which is very different to the people in this video who have a judicial conviction. Clearly their extended detainment is unjust but the prison officers are not to blame. As an aside, I know a guy who worked at the prison where rolf harris was going to on the day he got his sentence in court... When the transport van arrived at the prison he had all his staff out in the yard with cardboard tubes and big wobble boards ready to greet rolf harris. lol.
pedos and terroists rome free normal working class treated like animals for one fight. not saying its ok but as this reporter said people have been given thease ipps for crime as small as 20 pound theft this is ridiculas
It would be even worse if the uk went down the same road as America and privatise the prison system which would mean that it would become profitable to incarcerat even the smallest of minor crimes and misdemeanours. Also those prisons need to keep over 70% occupancy or risk losing government funding and end up closing down which makes them highly motivated to keep prisoners in far longer than their original sentence using trumpt up charges of causing trouble. Lets just hope we don't do the same.
If somebody does their time for the crime, but is kept in prison until some (most likely and from the sound of his in vids probation officer) control freak decides that the person is deemed "safe" for society, then they are effectively being punished for crimes (based on somebodys opinion) that they may or may not commit in the future. A jury must base their verdict from the evidence and must be 100% certain to pass a guilty verdict in court. Meanwhile these people are being held in prison based on an opinion.
IPP prisoners have not been released when they have served their sentence is due to their violent nature while serving their sentence. If they can't control their aggressive behavior while incarcerated it's obvious they are unsuitable for release.
Let's face it, Jail is a business, they have to have a certain amount of prisoners to justify the prison being open, they also have workshops in a lot of prisons that reminds me of the old workhouses of times gone by. Cheap Labour maximum profit. Even everything you buy through your canteen, the prison system makes on this.
The victims live with their scars too. The idea is sound, keep them locked up until they are no longer a threat/change their ways. Perhaps it is a little poorly executed.
Vice! Could you please talk to whoever is in charge of sound editing and get the sound mixing fixed on your video(s)? Because i have to adjust my volume every other second because they aren't mixed properly. Thanks.
I like the way people are commenting on how compassionate the women are for saying they love these prisoners and will wait for them. Yeah right! It's easy loving someone who's locked away, and not standing in your face 24/7 drunk and talking shit. Wait for these turds to get out. I give it 6 weeks and these 'devoted' women will be ringing the police and demanding they take them back to prison!
This topic isnt a one way street. It is hard on the families, incarceration of these people isnt always as effective but there needs to be a pivotal change not only in the way this country rehabilitates inmates but also the social drives behind the behaviour being committed. There needs to be a cultural change
tbh I think the Mum kinda undermined the whole case when she said he'd changed soo much in the last 3-4yrs. That's probably y we kept him in prison beyond the sentence. Glad it worked. Hope Johnny doesn't call on her to the parole board!
I was so close to getting IPP sentence in 2005, it was recommended but luckily I got EPP instead, I still served 6 years for a fight, me and 2 friends had a drunken fight with a large group of Asian lads, nothing major. I ended up with 10 years on licence, I got recalled for 12 months just for having a pee in a hedge, I got recalled for another 6 months for drinking in public while on licence (in my sisters garden at a family bbq), it was hell. I hate to think what these are going through. 10 years out for me now, fully qualified tree surgeon, was manager of council landscape division, now running a large business and helping others into work. I was a idiot when I was younger,had big ego and always fighting, anyone can change. I hope these people are freed, and supported and even compensated. These are not killers, rapists, they are people who made repeated minor mistakes most at young age.
'I didn't stab no-one, I didn't kill no-one'...well, you won"t get any medals for that but I think congrats on not having lost your temper with the intrusive irritating documentary chap alongside you is in order....
I don't know lads, if you don't want to go to prison don't attack/fight people. I've never laid a hand on anyone and I've never been to prison. It's not hard.
This pisses me off. Especially too big to fail corporations. These big corporations do whatever the hell they want, many times causing collateral damage and get off scot free, and then some guy is thrown in jail for the rest of his life for getting into a fight.
No he's thrown into prison until he proves he is no longer a danger to the public. He had a history of violent offences and then went down to the local pub and smashed a man around the head with a heavy object until he was brain damaged you muppet.
Completely unfair. Like these boys said they know they've fucked up, made stupid rash decisions, they know they deserved in prison for something. But to give them no hope, crush them again and again is unfair. Especially in comparison to other criminals. This is just slowly ruining their mentality and will lead to destructive behaviour. Why don't these prison officers have any sense. You can't control people this way and you can't truly judge a person from a hearing every 2 years.
Nah you can't use a weapon on somebody, possibly make them disabled for life or even kill them, to then be like 'shit yeah I fucked up I was young sorry' Naaaah bruv too late for that be at least 30+ years if I was the judge for any use of weapons fucking scumbags
@velveteyes79 That's not how a real judge works man but yeah it should be. Ive been jumped twice, first time really messed my face up but nothing serious. The second time a guy came at me swinging an iron bar at my head, I obvs put my arms over my head to protect myself and the bar shattered my forearm, think of what that would have done to my skull. Both for no reason at all and all they got was the usual bail, fines, comm service. I got a decent comp payment but I'd rather have a fully working arm.
@velveteyes79 This is where you're wrong and don't seem to realise what a messed up world we live in maybe you live in a posh area or something. The first guys did try to get in my pockets but only got a pack of cigs so I guess you could say that's a reason, but they where both caught and turned out I've never even seen the guys before. Some people are fucked in the head I've seen a lot worse done for no reason
That's a real faithful woman... after 4 years I'm sure most would have been gone... But 8 years and she's still waiting? God bless her, that's one lucky guy ( minus the whole indefinite sentence)
After watching the whole thing I think there has to be more to the story than what Vice is covering. Like did Johnny have any prior convictions because that would play a role. As for his girl and mom do they have a record and the board is using that against them? I'm trying to understand why if he was just in a fight he'd still be in prison. The one guy that got paroled had 2 prior convictions as a youngster and he's out so it makes me think there's more to the story with Johnny.
Disclaimer- I am against treating humans that way. However, for Michael to complain about being punished and not knowing when he is getting out, how disgusting it is.... shouldn’t he be saying the same thing about himself? Who knows if his victim will forever have anxiety about going out in public who knows if his victim is suffering from terror who knows if his victims family is also suffering so for him to sit there and complain about “it’s not fair they punished not just me but my mom and my pa and my nan” Uhmmm get over yourself that’s ridiculous look what you did and focus on yourself. gross. Should he have anything to look forward to? Does his victim have anything to look forward to? Does he know when the fears are going to end does he know when the anxiety is going to end I seriously doubt it especially if it’s true that he beat him up for “no reason“
I think these sentences are just, if not weak. If people are willing to commit such violent crimes they should be willing to accept the consequences. If you or someone you love was randomly beaten up for no reason, I'd want an even longer sentence than both of these guys to be given out. I've seen a friend of mine knocked unconscious and punched several times while defenseless. He had his nose and an eye socket broken and was hospitalised, you could argue could have been killed. The guy who did to him it got 180 hours community service. Absolute farce!
I was banged up with some IPP lads. Many were inside for years for absolutely joke crimes. Make no mistake, they may have ended IPP sentences but they now have EPP. It's the same meat only different gravy.
Your partner hit someone on the head with a weapon and when he got sentenced lightly, you went to a pub to celebrate with a big smile. Hmm. Now he is in prison for the past 8 years. Minor crime for one maybe is life altering event for the victim. Can't blame the system.
I feel for the lads, hope they stay strong. It's hard to believe a calculated average, can't be established from some database that could accurately estimate, how long non IPP prisoner's are sentenced for, when It's the same particular crime(s) as the IPP one's? Unfortunately no case is going to be the same, but out of the 4000 still awaiting processing, surely at least 80% that those crimes are committed and sentenced for everyday. I say make a decision for a crime that statistics have shown 4 - 5 years or 2 - 3 years give it to them, stand by it, then it's over.
None of these people you are showing have committed minor offences. The first guy Johnny hit someone in the head with a weapon, which could've killed or caused brain damage. In fact Johnny's family went out and celebrated, thinking he got a light sentence for his violent crime. His mother downplaying his vicious attack as him being a young silly boy. Tbh I don't feel bad for any of them. 8 years for what he did would be a lenient sentence in most other countries.
8 years she waited for him... If that's not real love, I don't know what is. He's a lucky guy to have people like that waiting for him.
true that
+ಠ_ృ True that.
True that
+ಠ_ృ She prob fucked a million guys when he was locked up.
+Sarsgnu Then she deserves credit. A million is a lot.
These orders should only exist for people that pose a very real and dangerous threat, such as child molesters.
Please, please sign, its human rights, EVERYONE NEEDS A RELEASE DATE. Fair enough if a person is sentenced to LIFE, but NO RELEASE DATE .. its against Human Rights!!
Help family's of ipp prisoners get their loved ones home. enough is enough ❤ Exactly he said there, its not just punishing the person, but the FAMILY, FRIENDS, we DO the SENTENCE with them.
you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/free-the-remaining-ipp-prisoners
You do realise that there is probably some IPP prisoners that are murderers and child molesters, right Samantha Chandler?
A much better response would to be to review each case and apply a proper term with release date, and if applicable, if a person has exceeded a typical sentence for their crime, they can be released.
If they committed murder, then they should probably have the traditional 25 to life and not be released merely because they are on an IPP.
MissFoxification I agree.
My daughter's dad is serving an IPP for drugs related crimes, he got 6 & hlf years - appealed & lessened to a 3 & hlf yr tariff.
As said, Blunkett himself has even said "he regrets handing out IPP sentences".
Its not just mental torture on the prisoners, but families. My now ex & was at the time when he was sentenced, is a very headstrong man, but there are those who have taken their lives.
I know of one case a man set his mattress alight when drunk, he then tried to put it out but got trapped in the room & the house went up. No one was hurt, only him inside. To be honest, I haven't heard of many IPP's being murders, I guess as murder is a crime that should really carry LIFE.
Also when they are released the probation requirements are that of a murderer, so even if set free, their never really free.
All those cases that have gone over NEED too be reviewed independently back in courts.
Win Stabell I agree both are equally as bad. But as I said, I don't think there are any murders with IPPs, as murder = life. Or should do.
Punishments are not only shaped to fit the crime, but to preserve the safety of the public.
Functionally there are people with IPP's that if retried will definitely be given a sentence that exceeds their lifespan.
Why spend money retrying those people? They are never going to get out.
I'd rather see that money spent on higher education inside prisons. That actually gives people a chance in life and reduces recidivism greatly.
The only ones that should be retried are the ones that are on IPP's for crimes that typically get less than a life sentence.
Spent some time inside while IPP was active and by far the guys on IPP were the most dangerous not because of the crimes they had committed but when they have given up on ever being released. a standard sentence has an end date you're going to try and avoid trouble 3 years into a 6 year sentence etc but when you've lost all hope of ever getting out it can start to change people into people who are no longer safe to release which just compounds the problem.
your point makes alot of sence,while some of would maybe think "ok ill die then" others would fight back at anyone who looked at us sideways
Makes sense. This law is evil
@@stuthebru4978 sense*
I found the same.
well said
A decade for assault ? what is this? america ?
I'm saying the harsh prison sentences are similar to that of American ones, would never think that GB would have sentences like that, America's sentencing is even harsher. and come on man you know 10 years for assault is just honestly to much, a decade of your life gone because at a young age you made a poor life changing decision, now a majority of your life is gone , you only get one of those, prison shouldn't be about locking up people for misdemeanors and throwing away the key, it should be about rehabilitation and not for profit
true mate. very cheap labour. fucking crazy!!
Yep, getting more like the USA system😞...this is insane!
Most likely wasn't his first assault charge
anglosaxons
Johnny McIntyre was released in 2017. Just got done for blackmail, he received a 6 year sentence for that alone. His Licence destroyed. He may now spend the rest of his life inside....
Seriously
Its true im afraid, ive lost what little sympathy I had for the man! www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18107653.masked-men-jailed-blackmail-oxford-home/
@@normanturbitt7644 Look up "Masked men jailed for blackmail in Oxford home" for details.
Lol😂
7 years for a major assault with priors sounds fairly normals
@The fastest milkman in the West Death penalty is the only option for child predators, they are societal parasites.
Doing a 14 year sentence you usually get out in 7 with good behaviour so really it's like a 14 year standard sentence
IMO it’s not about spending seven years it’s about not havi nag a release date
Nah not in UK.
a guy who killed an ex-soldier, while working as a bouncer, charged with manslaughter. Then sold drugs as a dealer (not sure if he was charged with that tbf) then he was charged with assault, with no punishment. Then 2018, Jan, he assaulted my mum, me, and my dad (the guy is like 25 stone, huge) and got off with a suspended sentence, got to keep his job too.
UK is just simply insane. Injust justice. Gone through that and seeing these guys making one mistake and them serving time, wasting their lives, it's a shame. I'm so sorry for them. & that fat bully gets to walk free without any affect on him, mental, fudgin mental.
Its cos its min tariff so seven years can be 20
1:20 GBH with intent (using a weapon) is not a minor crime.
I't can also be called aggravated assault or attempted murder.
Johnny is not a shop lifter.
VICE Do a story on a shop lifter.
They can't. It's bullshit.
oh come on your idiots? you never had a fight - its not a crime to win the fight? it takes two to fight... where is the other guy you call the victim who may of even started it? it was a pub fight.... i remember when men would fight and shake hands after - now you are all snow flakes that think the winner should lose his life?
No that’s bullshit
You can get over 5 years for what he done with weapon
Ashley Meah a pub fight with a weapon ? Serbs legit
Looks like Half Life 3 was sentenced to IPP.
lol
+Charmanduur
So this Vice doc means Half-Life 3 confirmed right?
+GrindcoreNinja (†††) LOLOLOL
Yeah unfortunately Anita Sarkesian is the probation officer, so that sht ain't ever coming out
Most Politicians should be jailed for life.for Phedifilea and distroying Childrens lives,of course they are well educated and rich.they are classed more Humen then the less educated and the poor..👹👹👹
When I went prison for 4month I met a ipp he did his 4years and his don't an extra 7 on top he was only in for making a fire because he was homeless
Marc Sikorski its crazy
That's heartbreaking. A fucking ipp for keeping warm this country's system's twisted
thats awful, this system is fucked
Why do I get the feeling that this _survival fire_ got out of hand and either impacted or threatened several other peoples lives. You don't get an IPP based on arson for rubbing sticks together.
how do you know you don't? there are people in there for fucking shop lifting and assault, would you really be surprised if this happenned?
Johnny was sentenced to 3.5 yrs. for Grievous Bodily Harm.He hit s/o in the head with a bat or tire iron. Seems near to aggravated battery or even attempted murder.He's done 8 yrs. seems like time for release, but what about the man he fought who is likely disabled for life and a taxpayer liability for life ? You beat s/o to the point where they can't regain their normal life , make a living....for little or no reason.You should have to support that victim of your excessive use of violence.
That is far different from the chronic,habitual shoplifter who should do a short fixed term at most and make restitution to the vendor as well. GBH is a major felony and we are given no info about what happened to Johnny's victim or Johnny's prior records. Crappy reporting.
is that you in that picture?
+yumi mango i dont care if you shot someone in the face or stole a loaf of bread,
either way you should know exactly how long your sentence is.
being left in limbo for years is cruel and unusual and will only make criminals more violent in a attempt to avoid said "limbo".
+yumi mango It´s not so much about how hefty the prison sentences are. Its about not knowing if you'll spend 3 years or 20 years in jail. That more or less fits the description "cruel and unusual".
ofnotandi So what ? GBH could mean the other party may never walk/talk/work/make love again .I want to know the details of this case before i decide how much and what type penalty should be handed down. Cruddy reporting.
+yumi mango Exactly. I want more than the perp's family's version of what happened. Let's see the victim; were there any debilitating effects? Since we're ignorant on the details of much of this case, it's impossible to tell whether the sentence was justified or not. Sloppy journalism.
The guy Johnny hit over the head had life changing injuries and will need to be cared for for the rest of his life - they leave this somewhat important fact out of the documentary.
So in other words he committed "attempted murder" Ya 8 years for ruining someones life is nothing. Imagine complaining about serving 8 years when you beat them half to death and left them permanently disabled.
@@Nick-kw9ozSection 18 GBH charge stands just before Attempted Murder charge.
“It’s not fair” no it isn’t. Neither is being beaten viscously for no reason.
I do sympathize though. People deserve a proper chance to reform.
Ewan- the worst criminals sure as hell don't
Think of the victims of these people.
They have been locked away for a reason.
If VICE did balanced reporting they would have interviewed the victims as well.
the victims of shoplifting are i guess some people in a shop who had some stuff go missing..... i'm pretty uninterested
@@DarkShroom
I think he's talking about the first guy who got killed being smashed round the head with a baseball bat.
Second bloke ‘beat someone up for no reason, convicted gbh but he made a mistake’ no mate, you put someone in hospital for no reason, you are a danger to other people. Both cases No Fucks Given.
alcohol maybe? drugs? bad up bringing. Nobody is born bad.
If a part of a plant is dying you dont rip it off and hope for the best. You use logic and reason.. something people in power seem to intentionally lack. No. you find out what is wrong with the soil, or is the plant not getting enough light, is nutrients being taken to one part more so then the other and you fix it.
You need to think far bigger then just stupid bone idle BBC news watching tunnel vision on how to solve the problems of this world
Maybe if more funding was taken out off the rich and given to the poor you would have less people being brought up in such a way. I certainly believe people who have had children at an early age or anyone becoming a parent should have to take a coarse on it first. Or at the least have more comunittie support for neighbourhoods prone to poverty and dodgy upbringings.
Societies like Norway, Sweden Germany have far better success rates because they work on fixing the systemic problems in society
@@leanbean359 Rubbish. So you think only the poor council estate kids get into situations they shouldn't be in. You think only the poor take drugs or drink alcohol to excess. People make choices, his choice was to drink or take drugs, his choice was to attack someone for no reason. The choices we make are what makes us the people we are. I was beaten to shit by my step father when he was drunk which was most weekends. I lives in a huge council estate. I do not drink and I have never hit my two children. I made that choice by myself not by nature. I also hate the BBC and never watch it, so never buy a BBC TV licence. If you think taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor will help the poor you need to look at history. It has never worked. The only thing that happens when you do that is make everybody poor. When everyone is poor there is no investment, no drive, no reason to get out of bed in the morning. Stop blaming the rich (and I'm not one) on all your problems. He made a choice. His choice was to get drunk, get high and brain someone.
Most of these scumbags have the IQ of a plant so may be you're right ?
“He’s no angel, he’s been silly in the past”. No love silly is wearing a hat with clapping hands NOT smashing a weapon over someone’s head.
bless her, she's right, thats what any mam would say. 8 years on, yeh he was silly, he admitted he was wrong, probably drunk and daft. but he doesnt sound like a fighter....
do you really think after 8 years he should still be in there? when pedo's get less? shake your head mate, he's had his time
@@Deleted11100 it's an absolute shambles..... people messing with kids should be on these
@@dmcduece2287exactly. it boils my piss. 8 years for a daft pub fight, some murderers get out not long after 10! kiddy fiddlers deserve this, i feel sorry for the lads wife and family
I don't feel sorry for him or his family. I agree that pedophiles should never be released, and yes some murderers do get out in ten but that does not make what he did any better. He deserves too be where he is. And he should get a lot more people in there with him. I hold my head high. I am a free man who has not been convicted of a crime just like 99.9% of the population.
Maybe youve had a sheltered life and been lucky enough not too be plagued with mental health issues you dot know he did what he did..your just on youtube judging him too your standards..some people have problems and make mistakes prison should be rehibilitating and teaching not just locking them up and turning them into worse people.
What really destroys these prisoners is not knowing their release dates. This is where the system is very unfair. People do minor crimes and end up with indeterminate sentences.
It's absolute savagery to give anyone a sentence without a release date and then take years to hear their case for going home. This is heartbreaking to see and we have very similar problems here in the states with for profit incarceration. It's not hard to see why people like Michael's friend give up hope on ever going home, it's a natural response to losing all freedom and control, heroin starts sounding real appealing when you've got no hope left...
They both deserved the sentence they got! Johnny's family has played his crime off as a silly little thing he did when he was young. They also went out and celebrated thinking he got a light sentence for almost killing someone, who does that? Where are the shoplifters that's been mentioned in the titles?
the system demonic their working for darkness
Aye, my heart bleeds. These should have thought of this when they attacked someone. Sorry, but I won't be losing any sleep over violent offenders who are kept in jail.
Sleep well with murder's, rapists and vile pedophilic monsters walk amongst us but Johnny's locked up. Yeah real safe to what real scum bags need, locking up!
There are a few people I had the misfortune of crossing paths with that I feel keeping them away from the public is the best thing and they always seem to get short sentences. And theses people in the film seem harmless
So this lady thinks that killing someone is a "silly thing" ?
None of them killed anyone?
who killed anyone? how about listening first...
This is the side of judicial systems that just makes me want to rip my hair out! No doubt these people needed to spend some time in prison, but due to some inane political positioning and posturing, these human beings are being denied their rights, completely. The woman standing beside Johnny and supporting him is awesome. Wish there were more like her in the world.
This report doesn't tell you how many previous convictions these
scrotes had before they were sentenced ..
...... and more like Johnny no doubt?!
IPP, the most unjust sentence ever, people have done as much time as murderers, and more than armed robbers etc.
These poor people should be released be now.
Salty potato I agree with you, however the punishment is certainly not fitting the crime.
Let me ask you a question, you go for a drink, your out with friends and your partner gets attacked and has to defend themselves or you..
They retaliate to protect themselves or you against these retarded drunken scum whose main objective was to cause a fight or get laid, they get the fight and come worse off, should the person defending him self or you do 8 years?
Child molesters only do 2 depending on the severity of the crime..
Defending yourself and your loved ones shouldn't be a crime, how unfortunate in England, it is.
I don't call them.people criminals, the real criminals are the trouble making scum.
Salty potato It was a hypothetical question, you don't need to go to pubs, violence can happen anytime.
You could get burgled, go shopping, road rage..The point is, regardless of the situation, you sometimes find yourself in a unwanted situation that can't be helped, situations from there can very easy spiral out of control.
It is also very easy to forget about these prisoners for a moment of madness.
Salty potato Not everyone is as blessed and privileged as your good self.
However, it can happen to anyone, hard to predict what you will do or won't do in any given situation, do you have children?
Salty potato Excellent, full respect to you, but I still think you are blessed, I know a few people personally that have been to Uni and got degrees in teaching, yet they still can't get a job, they also work very hard, life can have a funny turn for some people. despite how hard and how much some people work and achieve the smile of fate stops them going any further.
3 times I have tried to personally open my own business and 3 times at the last minute, a spanner has been thrown into the situation.
Yet a person I know can't read properly or write, yet he has his own.business, he kind of just fell into it.
That's what I meant in regards to you, I have a good job myself, which has took a lot of hard work, what is meant to be will be. Fail on one hand, achieve with the other. I also don't want you thinking I was being patronizing, because I wasn't.
Now you seem Like nice person, you don't go pubs and do the other stuff, however if you had a burglar that broke in your home in the middle of the night and wanted to do harm to your daughter, I pretty much doubt that you would think, well I have a pretty good lawyer so I will wait till he's finished and call my lawyer and police, when your child is crying and screaming, calling out in pain and fear for mummy/daddy to stop the pain and save them, your maternal instinct will be to protect your child, by any means necessary, now imagine if it went terribly wrong and the burglar ended up in a bad way, you then lose your great job, home and your daughter, you are now in your 7th year in prison, your life is ruined, you have lost your home, forget about your great job, because despite all your hard work, you will never get a great job again, you still don't know when your going to be released and every day is in agony, the not knowing is the hardest part.
Someone who has committed manslaughter is going to be released today, next week a armed robber is going to be released, you still have know release date.
You think to yourself in your cell every night, all I did was protect my own, the guy didn't die, I didn't kill anyone, what if things had been different, you ask yourself.
But there not different and you are potentially still in jail for another 2 years, same time as some murderers.
Do you see what I am saying in this hypothetical scenario?
I repeat, the punishment does not fit the crime, IPP, is the most disgusting, criminal, unfair system ever. This isn't justice.
Salty potato some people make it, some don't, you 're blessed, you deserve top respect for achieving so much.. I don't mean you have had everything handed to you on a plate, I do mean that you becoming a nuero surgeon over. many that haven't despite others having same qualifications over you, makes you blessed, there is nothing good about the IPP, people don't always think on a split reaction, no matter what the sentence and please don't be so naive, you may have the best security system to date, this does not mean it's impossible to break in your house, difficult yes, impossible no, banks also have top security systems, even Buckingham Palace has been broken in to, potentially the best in the world as on top of the system, they also have physical security.
Speaking with inmates, their families, lawyers, and a Parole Board veteran, VICE News exposes the UK's forgotten prisoners.
Watch "Institutionalized: Mental Health Behind Bars" - bit.ly/1iYLUx5
+VICE News The inmate hit someone behind the head with a weapon. He knew well where and with what to hit, in order to put the guy down. The victim could have well died from it. Lucky both that he didn't die. The inmate was a man when he hit that victim WITH INTENT, now he is whining about dropping the soap. Do the crime, do the time. End of story.
+Acoustrix :P Very intelligen mate. Really adding to the discussion.
LOL UK
+Sann Ingen Brits are known for their lack of intellect. Its hard to debate with people with the IQ of a strawberry. Putting people in boxes makes them easier to coop with. If you don't fit, Brits tend to ignore them. Its a cultural thing. They cant help it. Centuries of submission and conditioning makes Britain one of the worst places in the EU to live. They lack work, education, health service and a good standard of living. But still they think they are the centre point of the world and a country to be recognized... lol. Its sad, but these are facts. That's why its good to see programs like Vice... a more neutral source of info rather then the condition effect of the regular news programs (BBC, Sky etc.)
+Lazerus2008 One liners..... sign of the strawberry...
Scream human rights, untill some phycho attacks one of your loved ones
How about asking what their victims think rather than the offender's families...
You are disgusting. You ignore the indefinite holding of convicts for crimes like shoplifting and fighting to make it about what the victim thinks? When there is a jury for a crime, the jury box isnt filled the victims family members because they are not impartial. 8 years is a long time to spend your life being held against your will. The excuse of the parole board that this man may commit and his family being so supportive may hide him as an excuse to continue to hold him prisoner is an absolute disgrace. Thought crime to the max. Thats what the UK has become I guess. Good thing the sycophants like yourself enable it.
Kyle Hornung
We rely on experts to decide whether someone is fit to be released into society. They make an informed judgement on our behalf and that of any victims.
If they decide to release and that scumbag does it again then people like you may go ape. And that is understandable. So the threshold they put down must be a high one.
In the meantime they get to sit in a nice cosy room, read books, make freinds, fed and watered, go to the gym, and play computer games.....
Sounds like happy days to me, for all concerned!
Prisons are not there to satisfy some bizarre form of revenge fetish.
Gnawer Shreth
Yes it is.
Sadik Meah Not in any civilized society but I have no clue where you're from so maybe you're right about your country's prisons. Please let us know where you're from so we can avoid a shithole like that. Any country with a public revenge fetish is not a place I ever want to visit or support in any way.
She and his family were celebrating, what about the victim and his family, were they celebrating thinking he’d got off lightly......
Right on.
get a life...
Hey Vice, can we get a follow up on this story now that it's been 5 years?? Thanks!!
He’s back inside www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18107653.masked-men-jailed-blackmail-oxford-home/
As it's stated by many others in the comments, GBH with intent is not a 'minor' crime. In fact it's one of the most major crimes. He should be doing 15 years at least!
You must have zero education at all...
Wasn't his only offence. ! He says ; give him a 15 year sentence .
I agree .!
@@sammyn9345 So someone can smack one of your family over the head with a weapon, and that's not GBH?
Get real, 15 years is for murder
He should not be doing a sentence longer than the period he was given. Indeterminate sentences are an abomination.
GBH with intent you're looking at 5-7 years anyway, there's no way you'd expect a 4 year sentence with parole from an offence like that to be out in 2 years. But what's happening to these prisoners is still shocking, it's a waste of public resources and is a practice kept for some of the worst places for sentencing like Broadmoor that only get released on doctors orders, people like Charles Bronson served almost a decade there with no release date and he is still in prison to this day. If I were in this situation I'd rather be in Broadmoor because at least I'd have a chance of being in a rehabilitation wing where you have your own space, your own keys and more freedoms like fresh air, gardens, mini super markets, etc. At the end of the day you're still serving a sentence with no definitive release date.
I know exactly how these families feel as my dad has done 8 years all together and recently been recalled back in November and prole have said multiple dates of release and there is still no sign of him coming home until his original sentence is up.
Lool man tried to hug her but dat shit turnt out awkward 7:38
STAB YA lmao
Died at this
Trust me 😂😂
I CAUGHT THAT TO
major awkward.
Teacher asked me what comes after a sentence, told her an appeal
10 years inside! Crikey! He has got a good girlfriend sticking with him! I wouldn't mind listening to the people these guys have attacked and how bad there injuries where
+Lex Lowroom probably wouldn't have been as good a story and vice never let the truth get in the way of a good story
There seems to be something wrong with how the system classes and categorizes the criteria for severity of punishment. A drug user gets put in a cell with a murderer, or a man glasses someone and mutilates them for life and gets two years, and a shoplifter gets 5!! Crazier examples are out there.
This is fucking ridiculous but Ill tell you one thing these girlfriends are fucking troopers, I can't even keep a girl being out of pen lol.
aremedy frosty Who knows but at least they still have someone visiting them and writing them letters, if you had been to pen you would know what that means.
I don't understand your comment sorry? Do you mean keep a girl now you are out of prison? As in pen?
IPP prisoners have atrocious records of violence . That’s how you get IPP not just one glassing in a pub . There would’ve been many more
Lies
That's not true fella. You're wrong.
@@leonhenry4861 wrong, 12gbh, then 20 a second with time. In prison committing more Violent acts.
You didn't get one first Time out and given the stats show half all IPP's get recalled that shows the system is needed.
Secondly the board calling out the family means they have MAJOR concerns about how the family would act and given it was a CONSTANT stream of excuses for his behavior as 'something silly' a mistake that drops massive hints there is risk there.
I've known 2 IPP prisoners and they were extremely dangerous personalities who were guaranteed to commit more violence, whether that was against associates, strangers or their own families. I've also known a couple of people who have escaped IPP sentences that the authorities had applied for because the applications were turned down. They were equally dangerous and uncontrollable. All had long records of extreme violence and use of weapons. 2 had convictions for kidnapping. (All of the people who escaped IPP sentence applications went on to commit more violent offences. It was a way of life for them)
That's just my own experience.
They went to the pub to celebrate his sentence says it all really! They were laughing at the justice system! Oh well there not laughing now🤣
that judge had fresh ass socks
flopimus wavy tie too hahahah
+Sam 10987 >fleek
are the prisons there for profit like in usa
Nah, they arent. They're government run and funded by the tax payer, so it costs the people money to keep these people inside.
+Baron Hemersmelt Massive system though. The problem is self perpetuating.
Prison for profit.
+marshall leng ...clearly you don't get it. American Private Prisons are huge. They rake in piles of cash in funding, and an easy way to make cash is 1) fund politicians who will help get you more cash and 2) get more prisoners to get more funding.
***** oh k. My question is why are British prisons doing this. Are they also for profit??
***** If anything needs to be reformed in the US and Britain, it's the justice system. It's ridiculously ineffective at what it's supposed to do.
SHIP THEM OFF TO AUSTRALIA!oh wait...that's already been done
Jokes
what about to America? wait that's been done aswell.
Australia is an independent country, so they won't accept to receive neglected criminals from the UK.
+oz Dimitris Australia ain't full yet..especially the empty interior.
maybe subAustralia
I guess only in Oxford do you celebrate that your boyfriend/husband is getting jail time.
ProfessorFatMan No for his charge 3 and half years is a very low sentence.
So if 3 1/2 years is a low sentence, is the 8 more reasonable? Because then I just don't see the issue here.
@@mcgoo721 absolutely........its funny how we are supposed to feel sorry for someone who beats someone around the head ...wtf
@Wristpecked Whammingimagine you got into a fight and next thing you know your in jail for 8 years fucking idiot free pass would be no jail time in Canada I could wack some one over the head with a pipe and do like 3 years tops if I got a decent record people stab people here and do 6 months
I wonder if it was the same pub the crime was committed at lmao
GBH with intent is a "minor crime"? GTFO
When they say he got hit over the head with a weapon, did the guy just suffer a concussion, or did he maybe become paralysed, or did the poor bloke die?
Would have been a different sentence if the guy had serious injuries
We can deduce that something serious happened yes, because he pleaded guilty to wounding with intent. I suspect if it had been a seriously disabling injury then the tariff would have been significantly higher.
@Wakkad Sound Manslaughter
Man this story made me feel sick. 4 or 5 years past your sentence has to really take a toll on your mental health.
In Canada we just struck down a mandatory 3 year minimum federal prison sentence for firearms violatons such as expired licence while owning a prohibited firearm, modified magazine limits and other dumb paperwork shit.
The supreme court tossed out Harpers policies sighting it was "cruel and unusual punishment" for someone that has a clean record and commits a violation like I described.
Sounds like today's Biden/Harris Corporation/Administration. The Democrats want to be hard on criminals like the Republicans, but punish the innocent and release the violent.
Completely opposite the Republicans. Pisses us all off something awful.🤬
4 or 5 years.... Some people have done 30 to 40 a few did life and died in prison
Madness! When we have murderers and rapists etc getting lighter and easier sentencing 🤦🏼♀️ this seems like a gross misdirection of appropriating the IPP in the first place this should only be reserved for murderers, attackers, rapists & peadophiles those that pose a serious threat to others the system isn’t fit for purpose a lot of the time!
As somebody who is aware of the sort of offences and offenders that were subject to indeterminate sentences, I'd say enough of them were worthy of it. And if not that, at least 5 years (10 handed down).
These sentences are worse than life sentences. Being banged up without knowing when and if you are coming out would destroy most people mentally. It’s hostage.
@@cheeky1733 dont commit the crime; dont do the time
"You're not just punishing me, you're punishing my family" - YES and that's YOUR own fault, buddy! When you get sentenced for the crimes YOU committed, ALSO your family suffers - not just you. And that's all your own doing, it's the reaction to *your* action - it's not the justice system's fault.
Yes, it is. Usually if you get a 3.5 year sentence, you get out in . . 21 months (If you behave) Even if you DON'T behave, you'll do at most, 3.5 years.
So how can it be OK to get sentenced to 3.5 years, and still be inside 8 years later?
this is actually disgusting and tantamount to Guantanamo bay. Ashamed to be british yet again
Galltron3000
I'm not going to get into an arguement with you about it. The point I was making was directed at the other guy who called them guards when they are prison officers, and the prison officers work to a set of control measures decreed by law. You also don't seem to realise that detainees a guantanamo are being held without charge, which is very different to the people in this video who have a judicial conviction. Clearly their extended detainment is unjust but the prison officers are not to blame.
As an aside, I know a guy who worked at the prison where rolf harris was going to on the day he got his sentence in court... When the transport van arrived at the prison he had all his staff out in the yard with cardboard tubes and big wobble boards ready to greet rolf harris. lol.
bacorable
he can't understand you. you need to use CAPS LOCK.
bacorable i really hope you aren't serious
RmxPlaysPC
Which bit?
I used to be a proud british person but now im not this country is a joke
Best reporter I've seen from vice in a minute
pedos and terroists rome free normal working class treated like animals for one fight. not saying its ok but as this reporter said people have been given thease ipps for crime as small as 20 pound theft this is ridiculas
Oz Osborne but most of the time working class people who get into fights are animals.
@@Rhh26 the class struggle is real, clearly.
It would be even worse if the uk went down the same road as America and privatise the prison system which would mean that it would become profitable to incarcerat even the smallest of minor crimes and misdemeanours. Also those prisons need to keep over 70% occupancy or risk losing government funding and end up closing down which makes them highly motivated to keep prisoners in far longer than their original sentence using trumpt up charges of causing trouble. Lets just hope we don't do the same.
If somebody does their time for the crime, but is kept in prison until some (most likely and from the sound of his in vids probation officer) control freak decides that the person is deemed "safe" for society, then they are effectively being punished for crimes (based on somebodys opinion) that they may or may not commit in the future.
A jury must base their verdict from the evidence and must be 100% certain to pass a guilty verdict in court. Meanwhile these people are being held in prison based on an opinion.
IPP prisoners have not been released when they have served their sentence is due to their violent nature while serving their sentence. If they can't control their aggressive behavior while incarcerated it's obvious they are unsuitable for release.
That Johnny's las is a 1 in a billion! God bless her soul! :)
Do you know him too?
Too bad she wasted her time. !
He just got another 6 years..?
Blackmail this time. . Bye , bye
Johnny ..
"Im on probation mate".....anyone get the ref?
I can't remember the name but it had Jonny Vegas in?
+AryanRaceFTW Yeah that the one, called "Ideal"
What u want a hat and a balloon. Fool
+John Adams Okay John, the fact you made a spelling mistake while calling me a fool is laughable please I beg you get cancer.
+vonpupees Hiya.. I'm on Probaaaation. Lol I miss that show!
He should do time for wearing those socks.lol
Here's a really radical thought to avoid this - dont commit crime.
i bet you have committed a crime before
Let's face it, Jail is a business, they have to have a certain amount of prisoners to justify the prison being open, they also have workshops in a lot of prisons that reminds me of the old workhouses of times gone by. Cheap Labour maximum profit.
Even everything you buy through your canteen, the prison system makes on this.
I wish David Blunkett could see the damage he did as home secretary (no joke about his blindness). Guy bodged his way through the job!
Thats been the whole political system for the past 25 years
g4rr377 ... no that’s a Labour government for you
I bet Blunkett wishes he could see too. But the cunt's blind, and serves him right!
And done nothing to help blind people either.
My brother got a 3.5 year tariff on IPP he's currently served nearly 18 years give or take, the British judicial system is on its arse!
The corruption of Babylon is everywhere!!!
TRUE
The victims live with their scars too. The idea is sound, keep them locked up until they are no longer a threat/change their ways. Perhaps it is a little poorly executed.
Vice! Could you please talk to whoever is in charge of sound editing and get the sound mixing fixed on your video(s)? Because i have to adjust my volume every other second because they aren't mixed properly. Thanks.
Well, that was fucking awful and depressing. Wtf UK? :O
I like the way people are commenting on how compassionate the women are for saying they love these prisoners and will wait for them.
Yeah right! It's easy loving someone who's locked away, and not standing in your face 24/7 drunk and talking shit.
Wait for these turds to get out. I give it 6 weeks and these 'devoted' women will be ringing the police and demanding they take them back to prison!
Sadik Meah l agree
stfu
This topic isnt a one way street. It is hard on the families, incarceration of these people isnt always as effective but there needs to be a pivotal change not only in the way this country rehabilitates inmates but also the social drives behind the behaviour being committed. There needs to be a cultural change
tbh I think the Mum kinda undermined the whole case when she said he'd changed soo much in the last 3-4yrs. That's probably y we kept him in prison beyond the sentence. Glad it worked. Hope Johnny doesn't call on her to the parole board!
Don’t hit people over heads with weapons. Don’t commit crimes.
I was so close to getting IPP sentence in 2005, it was recommended but luckily I got EPP instead, I still served 6 years for a fight, me and 2 friends had a drunken fight with a large group of Asian lads, nothing major. I ended up with 10 years on licence, I got recalled for 12 months just for having a pee in a hedge, I got recalled for another 6 months for drinking in public while on licence (in my sisters garden at a family bbq), it was hell. I hate to think what these are going through. 10 years out for me now, fully qualified tree surgeon, was manager of council landscape division, now running a large business and helping others into work. I was a idiot when I was younger,had big ego and always fighting, anyone can change. I hope these people are freed, and supported and even compensated. These are not killers, rapists, they are people who made repeated minor mistakes most at young age.
'I didn't stab no-one, I didn't kill no-one'...well, you won"t get any medals for that but I think congrats on not having lost your temper with the intrusive irritating documentary chap alongside you is in order....
Imagine the prisoners whose family members did pass away. Just horrible.
Imagine the family members of the victims
This is so frustrating! How can they do that to people.
I don't know lads, if you don't want to go to prison don't attack/fight people. I've never laid a hand on anyone and I've never been to prison. It's not hard.
Indeed so too.
I'm from Plymouth! - so strange seeing a Vice News interview taking place in places you regularly pass!
Bethany Charlesworth instead of the Middle East with Isobel lol
Not really minor crimes tbh, the title is wrong and pushes your agenda that is wrong
This pisses me off. Especially too big to fail corporations. These big corporations do whatever the hell they want, many times causing collateral damage and get off scot free, and then some guy is thrown in jail for the rest of his life for getting into a fight.
No he's thrown into prison until he proves he is no longer a danger to the public. He had a history of violent offences and then went down to the local pub and smashed a man around the head with a heavy object until he was brain damaged you muppet.
Completely unfair. Like these boys said they know they've fucked up, made stupid rash decisions, they know they deserved in prison for something. But to give them no hope, crush them again and again is unfair. Especially in comparison to other criminals. This is just slowly ruining their mentality and will lead to destructive behaviour. Why don't these prison officers have any sense. You can't control people this way and you can't truly judge a person from a hearing every 2 years.
Nah you can't use a weapon on somebody, possibly make them disabled for life or even kill them, to then be like 'shit yeah I fucked up I was young sorry' Naaaah bruv too late for that be at least 30+ years if I was the judge for any use of weapons fucking scumbags
@velveteyes79 That's not how a real judge works man but yeah it should be. Ive been jumped twice, first time really messed my face up but nothing serious. The second time a guy came at me swinging an iron bar at my head, I obvs put my arms over my head to protect myself and the bar shattered my forearm, think of what that would have done to my skull. Both for no reason at all and all they got was the usual bail, fines, comm service. I got a decent comp payment but I'd rather have a fully working arm.
@velveteyes79 This is where you're wrong and don't seem to realise what a messed up world we live in maybe you live in a posh area or something. The first guys did try to get in my pockets but only got a pack of cigs so I guess you could say that's a reason, but they where both caught and turned out I've never even seen the guys before. Some people are fucked in the head I've seen a lot worse done for no reason
That's a real faithful woman... after 4 years I'm sure most would have been gone... But 8 years and she's still waiting? God bless her, that's one lucky guy ( minus the whole indefinite sentence)
Don't cry because they wouldn't give him long time if it was the first time. Surely he did loads of times and he became a treat for courts.
If you believe that you live under a rock sorry but it's true
After watching the whole thing I think there has to be more to the story than what Vice is covering. Like did Johnny have any prior convictions because that would play a role. As for his girl and mom do they have a record and the board is using that against them? I'm trying to understand why if he was just in a fight he'd still be in prison. The one guy that got paroled had 2 prior convictions as a youngster and he's out so it makes me think there's more to the story with Johnny.
Shocked, had no idea about this
The saddest part is she will be left by this scumbag when he comes out she is wasting her life
LIMA MIKE why would you think that?
LIMA MIKE you're terribly judgemental, ah what ignorance does
Disclaimer- I am against treating humans that way. However, for Michael to complain about being punished and not knowing when he is getting out, how disgusting it is.... shouldn’t he be saying the same thing about himself? Who knows if his victim will forever have anxiety about going out in public who knows if his victim is suffering from terror who knows if his victims family is also suffering so for him to sit there and complain about “it’s not fair they punished not just me but my mom and my pa and my nan” Uhmmm get over yourself that’s ridiculous look what you did and focus on yourself. gross. Should he have anything to look forward to? Does his victim have anything to look forward to? Does he know when the fears are going to end does he know when the anxiety is going to end I seriously doubt it especially if it’s true that he beat him up for “no reason“
This country is sick.
This is utterly barbaric!
How can this even be possible?
this is ridiculous 9 years for having a fight outside a club i think ud get a better sentence in america and thats saying somethin
HighTill I Die didn't he paralyse the guy he fought though??
@@Sadge1999 where did it say that? Or are u just spreading lies?
you could always just not commit the crime in the first place.Its always someone elses fault
she celebrated his sentence lol
Bennett Studio Cuz she tough that 3-4 years it's not bad and later then they put him on IPP ending serving unrealistic prison sentence.
Something about London just gives me chills
When he gets out he better treat her like gold, that's an amazing woman to stand by, and wait for him all this time!!!
I think these sentences are just, if not weak. If people are willing to commit such violent crimes they should be willing to accept the consequences. If you or someone you love was randomly beaten up for no reason, I'd want an even longer sentence than both of these guys to be given out. I've seen a friend of mine knocked unconscious and punched several times while defenseless. He had his nose and an eye socket broken and was hospitalised, you could argue could have been killed. The guy who did to him it got 180 hours community service. Absolute farce!
+Eric Lord It doesn't matter what your and the families want it's about what's just, and this isn't.
Sure but if the injuries are not permanent and they are only short term, someone losing years of their life for a short-term issue is unjustified.
The speaker sounds like Gareth Bale
I was banged up with some IPP lads. Many were inside for years for absolutely joke crimes.
Make no mistake, they may have ended IPP sentences but they now have EPP. It's the same meat only different gravy.
Yeah ! They should've kept you in
longer by the sound of it ?
In fact......you're probably back
there by now anyway .?
Your partner hit someone on the head with a weapon and when he got sentenced lightly, you went to a pub to celebrate with a big smile. Hmm. Now he is in prison for the past 8 years. Minor crime for one maybe is life altering event for the victim. Can't blame the system.
The system works ! He s already back in - for another 6 years !!
how can this be anything other than a human rights violation
I feel for the lads, hope they stay strong. It's hard to believe a calculated average, can't be established from some database that could accurately estimate, how long non IPP prisoner's are sentenced for, when It's the same particular crime(s) as the IPP one's? Unfortunately no case is going to be the same, but out of the 4000 still awaiting processing, surely at least 80% that those crimes are committed and sentenced for everyday. I say make a decision for a crime that statistics have shown 4 - 5 years or 2 - 3 years give it to them, stand by it, then it's over.
so repeat offenders say not knowing when they get out is worse, then i say it works then
Did he have any previous convictions that were taken into account ?
Plenty
That was the most awkward hug between her and presenter
It’s disgusting that this is happening. It should be brought up in front of Parliament
7:40 awkward most people on their first date!
End of 2016 now. Does anyone know if this poor lad is out or still in prison???
Still locked down.
He's still there now free him ASAP
He's now got out in 2017
I was in Channings wood with him last year so he got recalled. His misses still sticking by him and visiting.
Back inside- going by this article I guess the man really was a scumbag www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18107653.masked-men-jailed-blackmail-oxford-home/
this country makes me sick! get them out
Football-player that's 100% true, but we can't prosecute people with that mind set, as a general concept these sentences are wrong (in my opinion)
Out of where, the country. I agree deport them.
this is awful! I can't believe this is happening in the UK. Where is due process of law??
None of these people you are showing have committed minor offences. The first guy Johnny hit someone in the head with a weapon, which could've killed or caused brain damage. In fact Johnny's family went out and celebrated, thinking he got a light sentence for his violent crime. His mother downplaying his vicious attack as him being a young silly boy. Tbh I don't feel bad for any of them. 8 years for what he did would be a lenient sentence in most other countries.