Jimmy Fallon, Lizzo, & The Downfall of Toxic Media Workplaces | Controversy Explained
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- A recent Rolling Stone exposé cracked open the light and fun facade of Jimmy Fallon’s The Tonight Show and brought to light the darkness that was hiding beneath the glitz and glamor. While Fallon has maintained a relatively positive and beloved public persona, behind the scenes it was a different story.So what allegedly went down, and why does it seem like so many dream media jobs (from Ellen DeGeneres to Lizzo) are actually nightmares?
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CHAPTERS
00:00 - The Dark Side of Jimmy Fallon's Show
01:36 - Workplace Mistreatment and Mental Health Impacts
03:12 - Allegations against Jimmy Fallon and Lizzo
04:58 - Cancellation and Behind the Scenes Behavior Scandal
06:32 - Toxic Work Environments and Celebrity Scandals
08:04 - The downfall of the Girlboss era
09:35 - The Danger of Powerful People Hiding Behind Kindness
11:11 - Power Imbalance in the Workplace
12:46 - Workplace Mistreatment and Job Dissatisfaction
CREDITS
Executive Producers: Debra Minoff & Susannah McCullough
Chief Creative Director: Susannah McCullough
Associate Producer: Tyler Allen
Writer: Jessica Babineaux
Narrator: Kayah Franklin
Video Editor: Carson Bradley
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Oh my God, actor Channing Tatum is a more than regular in both Jimmy Fallon and Ellen de Generes shows and he is buddies with both. He must be as horrible as them behind the scenes then. What a fool I am, I was considering giving him parts and shares in my movies, I shouldnt do anything with him, then, and do not even go anywhere near him. Thank you ever so much for the warning
Careful with editing, the tragedy suffered in the dance community with Twitch's passing is still raw.
@@angellombness4371what
5:19 SARAH SHNEIDER FROM COLLEGEHUMOR!???? Noone is a good person at this point
It’s not sustainable or realistic to portray a “lovable” celebrity all the time. We need to stop placing celebs on pedestals
As the saying goes, Never meet your heroes
Exactly. At some point, you’ll see the man behind the curtain.
We need to end capitalism first to accomplish that
It’s also not sustainable to be an entitled a-hole to people either. No one said they had to be perfect lovable people 24/7, but they can at least be respectful to the people they employ and not create toxic work environments.
@@AndromedaCeline it's the fault of capitalism alienating people each other
It's almost as if all workplaces need democratic unions to deal with the huge power imbalance between employers and employees.
Ronald Reagan gave a crushing blow to this idea when he canned every air traffic controller in '81.
@@johnjones3813your point?
@@johnjones3813Why would we trust Reagans judgement when he championed the myth of trickle down economics and famously had jellybeans for brains
But it's not just bosses, sometimes it's the colleagues that are toxic
Who would have thought it? 🤔
The first job I ever had was as a server at Steak 'n Shake from ages 16-22. It was the most abusive job I've ever endured, and I've never worked in a restaurant since. Ten years later, I still feel like I haven't fully recovered from it. Jobs are a massive part of our lives, and these kinds of workplaces really negatively affect people. I could relate to the poor person who said they thought about taking their life.
good lord why did you stay so long if it was so bad?
@@mwoods4608FAX
@@mwoods4608money and feeling stuck probably
America is fucked up
I once had a talk with another team lead at a previous job (in food service.) We were on very friendly terms, but he was an absolute nightmare to the teenagers who worked the night shift under him.
I told him that while he probably wouldn't even remember screaming at them, those teens would. They'd likely go home and lose sleep over it. They'd think about it when they're feeling down on themselves.
Not to mention, who knew what their home lives were like? They could have been going home after being berated by him, just to switch back to being berated by their parents.
I don't know if that ever really got through to him (I changed jobs shortly after that.) For the sake of those teens, I hope so.
The attitude of "You should be grateful, there are thousands of people waiting to take your place" is sadly rampant in the entertainment industry.
It's rampant because its true. And honestly whose boss is sunny all the time. It's a live show every night not a party place.
@@lorypicheca2351 That's not an excuse to treat employees like dirt. He doesn't go out there and get the laughs on his own. It's not a one man band. A little appreciation towards his staff would go a long way. As would a little more professionalism on his part.
"It's not a one man band."
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Exactly. There is no such thing as a totally self-made man, since at minimum, they start at a base level of financial security and education bought and paid for by their parents and/or other previous generations' efforts. And while one can maybe play multiple instruments at a time, one can't be in two places at once simultaneously playing music and manning the camera and adjusting the stage lights and performing crowd-control security and... Yeah, no -- even the solo singers have backup singers and dancers and choreographers, etc. and we'd all notice if they were gone. And our wallets might just open a little less often for them, accordingly.
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The ideas that anyone can earn enough success to be an entitled jackoff, or that one person being the face of a project cancels out the neccessity for the arms, elbows, liver, toes and etc. of the project operating behind the scenes to also be healthy and functioning, need to die.
fashion as well
I was told that by a boss...I left on the spot. As far as I know, she has not found a person to take my place 2 years later. Toxic.
I always liked Conan because he felt relatable not because he was always nice but because he seemed a little nuts and wasn’t afraid to let the uglier parts of himself become part of his persona. Though it seems he knows how to keep that in check and treat his employees well when it counts. He has people on his team who have worked with him for decades, Fallon couldn’t keep a show runner for more than a few years.
Im not sure about that because like Fallon, Conan has always come off as fake to me......
I mean Fallon's show has been on for almost 15 yrs and we're just hearing this. Also Conan jokes about being passive aggressive to his staff and how sometimes they walk on egg shells, even Colbert said how he witnessed Conan take digs at his writers that were just "really mean". Also Lorne Michael's is a notoriously horrible boss. So I bet for people like Fallon and Conan, their attutides don't seem as bad. But regardless, professionalism is so important. And nbc probably adds the "hey you're replaceable so shut-up"vibe that makes working for Fallon different than working for Conan.
@@MakeMeCare89 Well, he's certainly smarter than Fallon who always looks like he's been woken up from a hangover nap.
@@MakeMeCare89 I mean, Conan was much more obviously playing a role in his show. Fallon wanted to seem like he didn't and that he was just being his normal self, but in Conans case it was pretty clear that he was always "on" when the cameras were rolling. It becomes really obvious when you listen to his podcast and notice how much more toned down he is there. Conan came off as fake because he was faking, but unlike Fallon he never pretended that he didn't.
@@Vi-ok8of Yeah, but he also jokes he has no Yes men and lets his staff walk all over him too. I've seen videos of him with his writers and they can give as good as they get. I never said the guy was perfect and everyone has bad days, late night TV is stressful but lots of people who worked for him said their experience was overall a very good one.
Christina Ricci really did say it best (though it was in the case of Danny Masterson) when she simply said, 'Awesome guys can be predators and abusers too.'
Now, obviously, workplace toxicity and se×ual assault are two very different ballparks, but they do share common traits in regard to intimidation, isolation, gaslighting, and victim blaming.
I believe that in a lot of ways, Ellen, Lizzo, Jimmy, and other such media personalities like them are probably genuinely likeable in many ways.
But the idea that they are absolute angels without wings---- especially in an industry that is known for ruthlessness and hustle culture in order to, not just succeed, but to then maintain your success at the top---- is an complete fantasy. Surely, such sustained, prolonged and internalized stress that is a byproduct from that kind of 'work ethic' has got to chip at your soul and literally warp your brain....
Im just grateful that those employees didnt drink the koolaid and found the courage to speak out 💖
Nice/affable celebrities are the ones you really need to watch out for.
it might sound like I'm trying to stroke my own ego but I disliked all the three you mentioned, not only they never seemed like good people to me and I didn't really think about it what kind of people they could be(it terms of good, or terrible)but its not surprising at all that they are terrible people, not to me at least, specially with these T.V talk shows where the program is centered around this one person and while everyone works to make them look better and writers write witty things for them while they take all the credit and reap the rewards, very Narcissistic format fit for a Narcissist.(Conan was good though)
@@Ar1AnX1x fair enough 👍🏼
No matter the crime, its all bullying. It just manifests in different ways in different situations and hierarchies
I agree with Christina Ricci on this and I believe this. Women can be abusers, too.
It's somewhat puzzling that so many people don't differentiate between advocacy for justice and advocacy for oneself. Just because a woman is fighting to break barriers doesn't mean she's fighting for all women - sometimes she's just fighting for herself. Lizzo bodyshaming people is a prime example, but also the whole girlboss, liberal feminism idea. If you're not trying to challenge the structures that enable women's (or any vulnerable group's) oppression, but merely want a place on top with the men, then you're not a feminist, you're just a very ambitious opportunist.
Yeh because feminist ideals are so great, women themselves are being erased, the word woman is being erased from government forms, and women now have to compete against men in sports and put up with random men walking into their bathrooms. Good Job
Thank you! Which is why I don’t jump on any bandwagon to support someone. Ranting and parroting ideological rhetoric doesn’t mean you championing it in your own life.
Lizzo's situation is actually kind of funny. It's like her attitude was like "I'M the fattest person on this tour!".
But to make this some sort of liberal problem is at best misguided and at worst straight up ignorant. Most people who has a boss that has a similar background to themselves woudl expect that person to look out for them. This isn't a "liberal" issue, it's a self preservation issue.
That feeling of "am I going crazy?" is all too real...the toxic work environment messes with our perception of what is acceptable and not acceptable when it comes to our boundaries...
“Always try to be nice, but never fail to be kind.”
The graphic (and the actual study) said 75% of the workers that did actively speak out faced retaliation, but the VO stated that 75% of workplace harassment incidents go unreported. That's a significant difference.
I hate it when bosses/businesses/offices deny the allegations and chalk it up to lies from a "disgruntled employee," as if anyone who ever had any complaint against the business MUST be lying. Like no, you gave us plenty of reasons to be disgruntled. That's why we are complaining. Just because an employee is disgruntled, that doesn't mean they're lying.
Also, its more than just ONE disgruntled employee. When you have multiple people coming at you, you're the problem. its that simple.
Exactly. They're disgruntled for a reason. Healthy workplaces don't produce those.
In terms of a behind the scenes team the did it right and dealt with an issue like this in the correct way look to The Try Guys. When Ned was exposed and the incident happened they didn't cover it up or try and sweep it under the carpet or pump out the PR machine to save their own asses. Nope they got Ned out of the company, addressed the issue directly and said that it was a bad thing that they did not condone and won't condone. They knew the image they had built up and that what Ned did didn't align with that so they removed the source of the issue and found a new way to carry on. I admire that because it shows that integrity is at their core. They knew the responsibility they have towards their fans and knew that there were expectations from them so they took the matter seriously and took the appropriate actions. I feel many of these other media work places could learn a lesson or two from The Try Guys and how they dealt with the Ned situation.
Right! A place that did right
Not that I'm a PR expert or know all the behind the scenes stuff, but as a casual observer I agree that that situation was handled pretty dang well by the rest of the team
I agree how The Try Guys handle their situation pretty well. They immediately kicking him out but I don't know if they also fired the girl whom he cheated with. She also deserved to get fired honestly and the fact she's been engaged for 10 years with her fiance to him is outrageous! What a waste for 10 years!
@@margarethmichelina5146 Whether or not she should be fired too is a murky area. There was a power imbalance that could make it very hard for the person with less power to say no, and then shame can keep them going along. I don’t think keeping her on staff was necessarily right either, but either way, it’s on Ned.
YES!!
How is anyone surprised by this? Did people not notice how easily he got annoyed by guests, even for a moment before he managed to disguise his reaction? Or his horribly awkward quarantine episodes where you could see his children being terrified of him?
There are TH-cam videos showing celebrities on Ellen, seething at her sadistic interview questions. She's sick.
When RuPaul owned him with The Drag Queen comeback, you can see his smile is immediately dropped and looks like he regrets what he just said.
I can’t even watch him. He oozes with insincerity, cool kid try-hard energy, sophomoric humor, and obliviousness.
@@Lahiwe God did you hit the nail on the head. All of it.
@@Lahiwe"cool kid tryhard", how?
We had a problem with a manager at our job. There was a high overturn rate. She was rude to everyone. The only way she left was after a few of the assistant managers decided not to work with her anymore. If no one showed up who was going to get stuff done. It wasn't quite a coordinated effort but it got the job done. Now we have a better work environment and a lot more people are sticking around instead of leaving.
I'm just going to say it, the next time I have to look for work, I will not take any job with a female direct manager.
Well then it sounds like you will be unnecessarily limiting your job potential. Some of the best bosses Ive ever had were/are women. Probably for the best though, save what could be potentially solid future jobs for the people unburdened by nonsensical bias@@johnjones3813
@@johnjones3813You should tell them that so they know they’re dodging a bullet by not hiring you
@@johnjones3813 why is that? I'd love to know the answer
I do hate it in films and tv when bosses bully their employees and we’re supposed to forgive them and route for them because they show a softer side or are nice to the main character, without ever taking responsibility for their terrible past actions
Examples of this Late Night, Devil Wears Prada, Supergirl, House, Anchorman, Violet Crawley
Does House count? He's never mean to hus employees. Good examples though. Supergirl yeah
For 3 years I worked in a place with a super toxic work environment. It started from the top. When I put my foot down, my work days were made a living hell and I was the one reprimanded when I reported on my co-worker, a friend of the higher ups, who was doing extremely questionable things with the young children in our care. Once I left, it was like a breath of fresh air. I realized now, years later, that I have trauma left over from that time and I'm now seeking therapy to work it out. I sometimes still here the horror stories from my people who still work there and I'm shock with how little can be done when the power vacuum is so small.
If you're working in a toxic work environment, I hope you can choose to leave and find a different job. Your mental health and well-being deserve better!
My god you tried to stop ABUSE. I AM SO SORRY for you and those children. It seems like evil always prevails.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259evil doesnt always prevail, in fact it doesnt most of the time, its just moronically seeking out news stories that want you to constantly think the world is shit, this is the stuff that makes you think this.
@AhmadAlmilli it's not news stories, it's personal aneddotes on the internet that makes me feel this way. Yes similar to news and could also be fake. True. Also the news although it profits on reporting bad stuff, the bad stuff is still true. Evil doesn't always prevail. There are PLENTY of people willing to call it out. But good people have mercy and empathy and as hard as it is to be truly cruel, some people need that because they are incapable of empathy and have created destruction and are easy to anger.
Something I often worry about in regards to toxic workplaces, is that so much of "moving up" or making more in a company is promoting to a managerial ("middle management") position. Too many people end up in positions of power or leadership that they aren't meant for, but they're not going to get paid their worth otherwise. And when you're not good with handling other people,, you find it stressful, or you really just don't like it, that creates toxic workplaces VERY quickly. Even the best coworker can turn into the asshole boss. I've definitely been the toxic manager before, because they wouldn't just let me take on more responsibility in my current position without promoting since the pay increases wouldn't be "justified" otherwise.
Progressive are the most toxic people . The best of dreamers are worse the worst of schemer's
In a sense, it makes sense. Being a good manager is a hard job with skills not many people have, and some people make up for those lack of skills by being assholes.
But this whole “paid their worth” idea has gotten out of hand. A worker might WANT something like $150k, but if their skills aren’t worth $150k, why do they think they’re worth that? If their skills are common enough that lots of others have those skills, then they aren’t going to be a premium. A lot of people don’t want manager positions (my husband is one of them-his boss wants him to move into a higher managerial role, but he just doesn’t want to move from his mid-manager role…but if the pay offered is enough, then he might at some point). So the pay is higher.
Really, the thought that entry and lower level position are worth as much as the jobs with more specialized skills is nothing but entitlement. If people want those higher paying jobs, they need to be willing to develop the skills and do the work. If everyone got upper management pay without having to have the skills or do the harder work, then no one would do it.
@@noelletakesthesky3977 There are people with vital technical skills who are diligent, smart, and hard working that absolutely should not be in a managerial position. If someone has technical know how, is an excellent employee, and is experienced, should they be denied being paid worthy of their skill and work ethic because they lack people skills? That's basically saying anyone who doesn't have one specific skill set should never make a certain amount of money, even if they're ridiculously brilliant and good in their field.
So many people get promoted to manager without having any people skills, just because they were in the job long enough or the company wants to keep their skills. They would even be better off managing just the logistics side of a project, but as soon as it comes to people, managers should take leadership courses at least. They find it stressful, all their employees who aren't exactly like them are whiny and difficult and the constant attention the everyones emotional barometer is not in their ballpark, since they are specialists in practical things. On top of that, they get pressure from the top and the responsibility. And so they get angry, annoyed and yell at the employees who are not like robots.
I have seen it a bunch of times, a former calm and efficient worker bee going berserk when becoming a manager.
... you'll find that for 95% of workers, they're really just elaborate middle men between their employer's bank account and their landlord's bank account. It's not whether you're *worth* 150k a year, but whether or not your landlord, doctor, and grocer are demanding 150k (whether or not their products/services are actually worth that much). So perhaps that person was better suited to a worker bee level of responsibility, but literally can't survive to do it. (I strongly advise anyone reading here to see if their company shares what their personal "market worth" is. On average, your salary is probably less than 10% of the revenue you generate for a company. So not only are they actively promoting unfit people into management who're only taking it because they can't afford to live otherwise, you and they are probably still grossly underpaid.)
I don't know why people are so surprised when their tv persona does not match their real personality. These people are acting, they are at work and presenting the right image for the job. Emotional labour is a real thing across many industries. You can be entertained by these tv show hosts, but you cant assume you know them as people.
I don't care who is a a toxic boss, lord knows there is no one nice at the top in showbiz. But if it ever comes out that Conan O'Brian is a terrible person...... well yeah not gonna lie that is gonna hurt a lot (even though I don't know him) and probably the first time where a news about a celebrity will affect my faith in my fellow human being.
Everyone knew Fallon is a fake. O'Brian actually feels genuine.
Corden and Ellen act nice on camera but are mean offstage. Conan acts like an egotistical a**hole on camera but by all accounts is a genuinely good boss. The same people have been working for him for decades, some since the nineties. What does that tell you?
@@samfilmkidI have the same sentiments. I grew up watching Conan since the 90s and he's probably the only celebrity I feel this way towards.
The only time Conan ever been in controversy was his feud with Jay Leno of Late Night Show's conflict. That's it.
@@samfilmkid
Gordon Ramsay used to get that too DESPITE he has openly said he and the contestants were in on his "Rage yelling" for "views"
Because the producers told him it will get high ratings ..
You can see his natural behavior on his bbc versions of his shows like "Kitchen nightmares"
He's a witty dry sense of humor guy , but when it comes to shitty restaurant owners he's gonna let em have it cause they're actually risking lives by what they're doing
I think that the fundamental issue that leads to the creation of these toxic work environments is the top-down power structures used in nearly all workplaces. When there is that much power concentrated in the hands of so few, it is almost inevitable that it is going to lead to those at the top making life miserable for those they employ. Perhaps the best solution to all of the workplace issues coming to light over the past several years is to abolish the top down power structure, and create one in which the employees have the power to create an environment that allows for the organizations to run effectively while operating in a humane environment.
Okay, not opposed, but what does that look like? How does it actually function in an efficient manner, day to day and for emergencies? And, the corporate investors will ask, how do companies not lose money during the transition to the new leadership / operating style (they mean the shareholders, execs & other bigwigs moreso than the regular employees, because God forfend the gazillionaires only rake in a couple *million* dollars rather than billion one year)?
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The issue usually is that if a solution can't be offered to do things different without losing money (or even sometimes simply without risking not making as much money even if they don't nearly go into the red-debt zone), then it will never be approved and signed off on.
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We unfortunately have to work within the constraints of the stupidly-rich top dogs' fears of not being able to pinch every possible penny outta people, when trying to implement better standards of living (so to speak) in the work environments in Corporate America-land.
@@iprobablyforgotsomething Firstly, companies just straight up do not need CEOs or executives. There is no reason why all administrative and executive decisions need to be made by a small group of rich owners. Co-Ops, are a model of business in which ownership of the company is distributed amongst the workers. Additionally, the business decisions are made democratically by the workers. There have already been numerous stable and successfully run co-ops throughout America.
Now, in response to the point about the corporate investors, the solution would be to enact laws that would legally transfer the ownership of the companies from the execs and shareholders to the workers. Would the execs and shareholders hate this? Yes, but fuck them. You may think that this is revolutionary and would never happen, but it's not lake revolutionary overhauls of power structures have never happened. It would require the enactment of radical new policies at the federal level, but that has happened before(The New Deal, 13th Amendment, Sherman Anti-Trust Act, & more).
@@colinjtm9605 this will never happen because humans are just to selfish and bosses aren’t the only guys that can be a-holes, the biggest a-holes I met tend to be old coworkers
@@kermitfreak193 Never confidently say anything is never going to happen, because it's just a recipe for getting proven wrong. By your logic, none of the policies that I mentioned (The New Deal, 13th Amendment, Sherman Anti-Trust Act, & more) would ever have passed, given that they were against the interests of selfish humans. Human nature is just a lot more complicated than "people are selfish"
As far as I can tell, one of the few places where not-being-nice is somewhat accepted is rock-music. Toxic-fanbases aside, there are plenty of stories of rock/metal-celebs being terrible people, but seem to get a pass. Motley Crue has a book that's nothing but their dirty-laundry. One of my favorite musicians, Kurt Cobain was a task-master when recording Nevermind and In Utero.
I always got mildly annoyed when my friends would share youtube links about Ellen, Jimmy, and James Corden in our group chat, telling a friend once that it wasn't just cringe but "something about them I didn't like"....intuition is a powerful thing.
How did you know? Did you know the same about Sarah Schneider in all those old college humor videos?
As long as Keanu Reeves doesn't turn out to be toxic, then I'm fine
Him and Tom Hanks🙏🏻
...and Denzel too.
Also Trevor Noah
@aycaaltay9929 Lets not forget:
1. Samuel L. Jackson
2. Queen Latifah
3. Steve Carrell
4. Zendaya
5. Tom Holland
6. LL Cool J
7. Kate McKinnon
8. Tamera Mowry-Housley
@@thelateefai have bad news for you
Tbh I’m glad people like this are declining in popularity
Soooo true
I hope Iive long enough to see a new host of The Tonight Show. Although, it'll probably be Seth Meyers, so, not much improvement.
@@johnjones3813feel how you will about his comedy, but many of the people who’ve worked under him (in SNL, I don’t know about his new show) have spoken very highly of him as a leader
I would love it if guys did a take on character actors.
Highlighting Esteemed Character Actress Margo Martindale, please. ❤
me too. They should also focus on the career of Stephen Root, he's so great in everything. @@petuniapandy
Instead of focusing on Lizzo, an entertainer with a pending lawsuit, I wish that The Take had focused on James Corden; it would have made more sense due to Ellen DeGeneres and Jimmy Fallon both being talk show hosts.
Also, i find it quite rich that Tina Fey has so much smoke for others when her reputation is not the best either...
I agree especially some of her extremely racist jokes in "mean girls"
It came off as fake white liberal woke , where they believe they really get it , but they still use 80s-90s racist and sexist stereotype tropes like some "meta " commentary that actually makes them worse
We actually ran out abusive supervisor out. It was amazing and I’ll be chasing that high for the rest of my life
As you should!!! 🎉🎉
I love that Conan is the good guy - but what about his treatment towards Schlansky? 😂❤
Love your content. I’m still waiting for a series of videos dedicated to The Americans.
I learned the hard way, there is not such thing as a dream job
That's why it's called a "dream" job.
_”The harder they smile and the more they dance on that stage, the more skeletons they are hiding.”_
- Adam Carolla stating his feelings on Ellen Degeneres 3 years before she got cancelled
Probably why every sexual predator in Hollywood was bending over backwards to let everyone know they were a feminist.
I know it varies from person to person, but that would mean Conan (favorite talkshow host) is next😂.
For real tho, that guy is an angel to his staff.
That point isn't necessarily wrong, but let's not treat Adam Carolla, former host of "The Man Show" (one of the most openly misogynistic TV shows of all time), as a voice of reason. Speaking of which, his co-host on that show was Jimmy Kimmel, my prediction for the next "nice guy" celebrity to be outed as a huge dickhead.
@michaelramsey82 ugh I really hope I'm wrong, but I never liked the dude. He feels fake. He's the kind of guy who says: racisme is bad, but did do black-face (literally). He just rides the wave of public opinion to seem nice and "PC".
@@michaelramsey82 Adam’s broad point, which he made on his 13 year old podcast, was that you can be a dick if you are more open about it, like in the case of David Letterman, who like Ellen everyone was terrified of, but for whom there’s no _outing_ of their real persona since everyone knows he has been a prick since the ‘90s. Heck he was even a prick to his own guests.
As an aside, I remember one interview where he had the members of _Led Zeppelin_ and in the middle of it he referred to _John Bonham_ as simply the _drummer_ . 😂 That was kinda funny and it’s typical of Dave. Aside from the _Foo Fighters_ he had little reverence for anyone.
Anyways back to Adam in that anecdote / rant he contrasted Dave Letterman with Ellen Degeneres who worked overtime to hide her real self with a persona who danced and pretended way too hard.
In that anecdote: he recalled how when he was a guest on her show her staff were terrified of topics that piss her off and how they had a list of things he was not allowed to talk about like eating meat for example. Adam remarked on how he felt like he was gonna talk to Kim Jong Il instead of a jovial and congenial person who presented herself as such.
So he put 2 and 2 together and cleverly deduced _oh ok she is a terrible person and her staff are terrified of her._
Hence the quote.
At no point did he mention Kimmel good or bad. And I wouldn’t be surprised if he was outed as being a prick next.
Btw, Larry David is another guy who is a prick but never has to worry about being outed since is not hiding it and is open about it. And people love him precisely for it.
Can you please do a video on interabled relationships in movies and tv shows. I feel like you guys would really cover it well
I think it's easier to people to be "mean" and "a horrible person" when you are a boss and in jobs, they let you do that, he probably isn't a bad person but having a position of power and people trying to please you MAKES you an asshole if no one stops you and makes you touch grass, people makes mistakes and it's so easy to be mean, it's impossible to be nice ALL the time, so a lot of stress does make you act up, but still that all of that ISN'T an excuse, you should always care about the people around you, more if they work for you, having a psychologist/therapist working in the company could resolve a lot, with the authority they need too
a position of power just lets someone show their true colors.
Power only shows your real nature
yes and no. Power shows who you are without accountability, and it is really difficult for people to have self awareness and therefore growth under those circumstances. It shows where people are at, but not necessarily who they can/want to be. I had a situation a couple of years ago where I got fired from a supervisor position (as I should have been) because I was being, well... an asshole. It was a difficult experience but I'm glad I had it. I know I can unintentionally bulldoze people sometimes, which is why I enjoy hanging out with people who can 'clap back' and let me know when I'm being too much. But that was my fist experience where literally no one let me know how I was coming across (I thought I was doing great!) until it was too late. Some could argue I showed my 'true colors'. I think that I truly showed how much self awareness I lacked and how unhappy I was at that time. I showed some pretty ugly parts of my rainbow, but I am capable of so many colors. I definitely wouldn't trust myself in another supervisor role though, not until i've grown more as a person. I want to be the kind of person who treats others considerately, but Im still learning what that means.@@ssissigui8846
@@lucydonohue4919Be nice to people in your workplace and don't bulldoze others.
I'm always in awe at the quality of these videos. It's incredibly rare coming from a large channel that employs multiple people like this.
As someone who worked in tv, I can contest that it's an extremely toxic work environment. Rampant sexual, physical, and verbal harassment not taken seriously, hard work not appreciated, favouritism and exclusion, humiliation. I'm still recovering mentally, financially, and career-wise.
employment laws should change and be pro employees rather than employers. so ironic that a first world country like USA has sucky laws for workers compared to developing countries like Thailand that has good worker benefits any time it is employee vs employer , the laws protect the employees. Also CONAN is awesome!! Unfortunately he is the EXCEPTION not the RULE!
Great video !
I think this happens in all walks of life when working for either famous or powerful people. I think the act this way because of power, pressure, or it is who they really are and they know they can get away with their bad behavior because they are money makers and there is a line of people to replace employees who no longer willing to work for them.
Thank you for talking about Conan, as his fan, I obviously have an opinion on this entire situation but honestly, I think it was the best that the whole NBC debacle happened because Conan did not have to suffer what Fallon had been through while hosting The Tonight Show. Hell, Conan had suffered enough during Late Night for 16 years. Conan went on and has made among the best comedy content in history with his show on TBS, podcast and soon on HBO MAX. I'm so happy and proud of him. Fallon is under immense pressure and NBC executives must give him the help he needs with his addiction. When I first read the article, I have the same understanding with this video, this opens up for more conversation on toxic vs healthy working environment. I really hope all the corporate will cooperate and help solve the strikes because these people deserve better.
When I heard about Fallen, I thought about the Tina Fey book. There are usually signs that get ignored.
When Nicole Kidman explained how she was interested in Jimmy and Jimmy ignored her when she was at his apartment to play video games? Yeah, I knew something wasn't right about this guy or how he treated people behind the scenes...
There seems to just not be any good dream jobs out there, at least not in the traditional sense.
I always knew something was off about Jimmy Fallon. He always felt too corporate and fake. Glad to know my hunches were right.
I was shocked too but again these celebs are human and just like everyone they show a nice version of themselves or put on that mask of niceness just like everyone else. This is why I don't like people who idolize celebs. They are humans and have their faults and when a scandal does come out it's as if people act that these were angels and how dare they slip up. We all make mistakes and I'm not taking their side but people need to realize that there are the bad/dark side of celebs that we dont know of. So yeah I dont know much to say here. 🤷♀️
I get what you're saying but the "bad " things these celebrities are accused can't just be excused off , some actually committed crimes
@@thepubknight6144 you're absolutely right.
My dad has said that some people are jerks and some are scum - but generally, it's much worse to be scum. I tend to agree, especially if said scummy person hides behind a pleasant facade.
Conan is the only one who appears genuine to me, his actions across the years speak louder than some celebrities dancing and fake laughing 24/7.
Exactly. I’ll never forget how furious he was that the stunt Leno pulled was going to fuck up the lives of his staff. Wasn’t easy on him either, but his focus was on taking care of his staff. People who say he makes jabs at them on camera are ignoring that he’s reading scrips the staff write, and it can be fun to be that staffer. Simon Whistler has a writer “locked in the basement,” and that’s fun. It’s a joke. People bond over jokes, and if all involved are okay with it, then it’s fine. That’s the sense I’ve always gotten from Conan, and I’ve been watching…god, for how many decades now? Since the 90’s.
Conan is just a guy who jokes with his staff on camera but off camera he's sweet to all of them
It's another case of people who focus on the public image only
Lizzo is a good example of this , it's called having pr people writing puff pieces and paying off shill journalists to romanticize them and their images
Oprah is an another good example of that
Wow... this really describes my former boss. The thing I can't get over was how hard it was to not be one of her many "yes men".
My former supervisor:
1 Treated jobs as favors or privileges rather than an exchange of time & effort for compensation.
2 It was often her way or the highway.
3 She evaluated people on the basis of stereotypes along demographic lines including race and generation.
4 She often attempted to blame me for things she had not trained or supported me to do correctly.
5 She consistently failed to recall the staffs names, including misspelling them on HR paperwork or calling someone the wrong name.
6 She directed me to have my employees sign a contract to waive their right to overtime, or else threaten to let them go.
7 She threw a roll of tape at an employee's head.
8 She could make anything happen, but required everything from others. The people who'd worked the longest with her were those who'd accepted that their schedules could change last minute and their weekends could disappear.
9 She would argue against higher salaries, longer breaks, and increased compensation for specific duties.
10 She was aware of illegal an exploitative practices within the industry and threatened to fire us it we spoke about them.
And here's why I failed to do enough to help the staff under me:
1 I was incredibly desperate for the job so I could immigrate. And since this was a residential position, my employment was also my source of housing.
2 I'd never worked at this level of leadership and in this specific niche of the industry, so I heavily relied upon her and other experienced members for advice and perspective. I was deeply concerned that my inexperience would lead to mistakes that would make life harder for others around me. In the end, my permissiveness meant that she got away with more BS.
3 At first, I cast this off as a trait from someone of an older generation and a different cultural background. We worked in an international field and just about everyone made generalizations based on nationality. Sometimes, this was actually a positive thing; by acknowledging cultural differences, we can be more welcoming and supportive. But by the time I'd realized she'd crossed a line, it was much harder for me to figure out where the line was, let alone what I could do about it.
4 There was so much I didn't know that I didn't know. I'd never used Indeed as an employer or interviewed candidates for jobs, and suddenly I was a hiring manager. So when she gave me the bare bones training on HR paperwork, I did my best to follow her directions. Turns out, she hadn't included to key pieces of HR paperwork in the documents I was supposed to have staff sign, and this resulted in hour pay structure being illegal. I didn't understand that until the staff - yes, the staff - pointed this out to me. I had to go to employment services at the provincial government to check this and verify what was legal and then relay it to my supervisor. She then blamed me for not telling her something was wrong. While there are so many things I wished I'd been able to identify as incorrect or insufficient, I simply didn't have the experience or wear-with-all to identify it. In the first two weeks of the job, I averaged about 3 hours of sleep/night. I didn't get a full day of for the entire 6-week run of the program. I did get to effectively end a week early. But it was just too much.
5 Looking back, me and the other staff sometimes treated this as a joke, but it was genuinely upsetting too. It just highlighted how little support we were able to get to do our jobs. And I felt powerless to ask for more because my supervisor was actually giving it her all to support us. It's just that her support was corrosive.
6 Actually, both her and her supervisor directed me to do this. I didn't. By that point, I knew the payment structure was illegally denying our staff overtime. As soon as I'd confirmed this, I told the staff, apologized, and started the very tricky process of ensuring their OT would get paid and that no one would get fired over this. It was a near thing. Looking back, I wish I'd communicated better so that the staff didn't end up having so much stress. Some were angry with me for not knowing the payment structure was illegal. One was angry with me for "blaming it" on my supervisor. In the end, I got her to walk back from the idea that everyone would sign away their OT or get let go to everyone got their OT, no one had to sign a waiver, no one got fired, and I did my best to protect their hours. Aside for one staff member who'd basically stopped doing their job to the point that their co-workers had suggested I fire him. Still, I feel so much regret. This season could've been amazing. Instead, so many good moments were overwhelmed by this stress and the feeling of being exploited.
7 Yeah. Several of us saw it. We treated it as a joke in front of my supervisor, but then it became a point of ire amongst my staff. The issue was two fold; first, I believe that the person who suffered the injustice should be the one to decide how the injustice is handled, 2 I was so overwhelmed that when that staff member didn't push the point, I didn't ask what she wanted to have happen. That was my failure.
8 It was humiliating that one of my teachers who wanted additional hours ended up doing things like student laundry. She said she was fine with my supervisor assigning her that task. I was not. Both my supervisor and I did student laundry. She did it to ensure things got done. I did it because no supervisor should direct someone to do something they would not do themselves. But laundry was so beyond her list of assigned duties, that it was galling. This was a direct mandate from my supervisor. With the little energy I had, I picked very few battles wit her. Sometimes I wonder that, had I picked more, I might have gotten better deals for my staff.
9 I had to go behind her back a lot to get what I considered fair compensation for staff. I assigned people the maximum salaries I was allowed, I negotiated for a three people to get pay raises (we got them for two of the three), and I tried to adjust the scheduling to people's needs. That said, I sucked at staff scheduling. It's never been a strong suit of mine. And having to schedule 23 people on weekly basis with constantly changing programing was awful. So many times, I got the week schedule sent out only the day before. I felt awful for not giving people more notice. These are folks' lives, they need it to plan anything. But I just couldn't get it done faster and everyone's plate was so full, that I couldn't see a way to avoid it. I was the shitty supervisor giving out last minute schedules and even last minute changes. I hated it.
10 We found out in the pre-season about a regulated immigration consultant was hiring undocumented workers under the table and refusing to pay them. When we told her, she informed us that she knew even more about it than we did and to "shut up" about it, heavily implying that we'd get fired if we didn't. Fast forward to the end of the season, and you might wonder if I've reported her and the exploitative immigration consultant. Here's the really awful thing: I haven't. One of my co-workers was a former employee of this immigration consultant who worked for him under the table. While I am going to try to report him without getting their name involved, I'm afraid that person will face legal consequences or even get deported for trying to survive during the pandemic. I want the immigration consultant and my former supervisor to face fair consequences for the injustice they've committed. But I don't want my former co-worker to get caught in the legal crossfire.
*And that's at the core of a toxic work place; the inability (real or perceived) to improve detrimental aspects of a job due to the system or the poor choices of people in power.* I came in with the best intentions, but due to my inexperience, my permissiveness, and my history of accepting unfair work practices as "normal", I perpetuated my supervisor's BS to my staff. One of the put it perfectly, "You have not always done right by us. But you were not given the means to do right by us." It's a horrifying thing, realizing one's been part of the problem. I sincerely hope that my staff and move on to find better work. But I can't change the damage that's been done. I'm used to giving up sleep, peace of mind, and even money to a job. But never before have I felt like I was sacrificing my integrity. Yet, when the work I had to do in order to do right by my staff would not fit into my 90-110 hour work weeks.... I ended up doing just that.
But here's the thing, Chris Rock defended him, Tina Fey stays friends with him..and those moments where told to us that they weren't repeated and or that he was sorry. So his past stuff felt like mistakes and being around that kind of environment of that time. His alcohol though is I think the real concer/source of drama. Because when he refuses to do a full political show, his staff wasn't saying he was a tyrant. And when Ellen got called out, we all wanted to know of others like her and he was called a good boss. So I think this is pretty recent and needs to be addressed by his family and friends
We are talking about workplace environments with little to no security and a hustle culture to no end that keeps people in check with stress and anxiety. This is not so much about one person being good or bad, the celebrity with hundreds of employees and a bank account we couldn't even imagine being nice or not isn't even the question. That's why people need to unionise and not focus on the fake problem that is "is my boss nice enough to not exploit me too much or be rude?".
The conversation about what celebrities are like off camera is one topic but it takes another dimension when we talk about them as employers. The millionaire boss is not your friend, them being polite is as much as could be expected but that doesn't determine the whole work environment and is not how a mega corporation is run, it really is no surprise that those workplaces end up like this.
What’s interesting is that Conan loves to act like a terrible boss when the cameras are on but is actually a great person.
It's more a case of workplace abuse is happening all the time/everywhere but only rarely do the media care enough to run a story on it. Every day people die on the job, are abused or injured - yet instead of being treated as a 'criminal act' it's brushed off as a accident/mistake and the toxic managers get to go on as if nothing is wrong. Workers are expected to put up with behavour that wouldn't fly in any other relationship - and to allow this we have a society that brainwashes and punishes people into fearing unemployment more then the harm of a unsafe workplace. These stories matter because it's a reminder that you can't rely on a 'nice boss' and should instead support one another to call out abuse, team up to take down bad managers - and the rest of us should be pushing hard for legal protections and systems to ensure people are not trapped into toxic workplaces.
@ether4211 what are we supposed to do? Not celebrities, what are us, the workers supposed to do? You're clearly suffering at your job. Should we all start unions?
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 as I previously mentioned there is a LOT we can do: simple steps include stepping in or providing support to coworkers or family when you see signs of them being bullied/abused or helping others 'quiet quit' aka not do unpaid labor. Joining or forming a Union and making sure you have a first aider or OHS rep - and nominating for these roles if you don't can make a huge difference. Voting for candidates and policies to increase wages, expand low cost healthcare and social safteynets will reduce the 'fear of unemployment' that forces people to stay in unsafe work. Even making sure you value and care about people who get hurt or quit work - or are unable to find safe work and creating solidarity/social movements like the 'Work Shouldn't Hurt' campaign in Australia can help break down those barriers.
10:17 for everyone. It's been like that for EVERYONE.
The niceness act is an act of compensation.
8:25 - Did anyone else think the the "reporter" was the boss incognito??? 😄
I have such conflicting thoughts because the whole way working culture (at least that I know of) works *IS* that any & everyone is replacable except the big boss(es); that's the entire reason why people have always been too scared to combat change. If you need to make a living, then having issues with how things are run can (unless it's *REALLY* problematic such as endless harassment or assault, non payment, etc) seems like a luxury.
I often think how on the surface it shouldn't seem hard to be a "good/nice" person but surprisingly it is especially for celebrities it seems.
It also makes me wonder how the "good" non toxic bosses decompressed so that if they were having bad days, they didn't spill over to the workers (like in the case with Fallon).
Fallon has always seemed like he was people pleaser so I imagine that would be a very stressful which would lead to the (increased) use of substances or having a short, anxious temper.
"It just always felt like 'You should be grateful you have a job and you should be grateful that you have this position at this show, at this network'" gives a lot of Devil Wears Prada "A million girls would kill for this job" energy, and that just doesn't sit right
I'm willing to guess that some of these celebrities were quite unaware of the impact they were having on the people around them while others used their position to take their stress out on those around them.
Should we just give up on entertainment? Like, I don't even put these celebs on pedestals or am into hero worship, but I do enjoy the entertainment they deliver. Can we not even have that? I'm now nervous for anyone who becomes famous who's music or acting or whatever I might enjoy, wondering who's gonna be the next traumatic abuser? Can anyone make it to the top without becoming an asshole?
With singers i think is less likley to happen since they are more private.
There buisness is the music snd bringing us good concerts.
Madonna has always had a bitchy rep and never was cancelled.
Sure her popularity has gone down recentley but in the natural way.
Like she is now out of fashion
This is really interesting because I know someone who works for the tonight show and they say it’s the best job they’ve ever had. I have been an audience member of the tonight show a couple times and there was a time where jimmy seemed to be in a bad mood, but like he’s human. People have bad days. You shouldn’t take that bad day out on your staff but sometimes you snap. We all make mistakes. I do think his apology could’ve been worded better but I don’t think a person should have their life and reputation upended because of a mistake. Cancel culture acts like everyone on the other end of the call out is above it all and that they’ve never made an offensive joke or have snapped at a friend when they were angry ever in their life. I don’t condone Jimmy’s alleged behavior, and toxic work places especially in jobs revolving around talk shows are extremely prominent, but I think it will be interesting to see what more comes out about the tonight show specifically. I am truly wondering why so many people felt this way and how involved Jimmy actually was in contributing to worker’s stresses.
Good for him but not everyone had that experience
I love how your solution is "companies need better rules" and "bosses/stars need to be nicer" withour ever questioning the validity of the system in which of of this is allowed and even supported. The only way to end work place abuse is to ✨dismantle capitalism✨, which ia inherwntly exoloitative. To completely change the dynamics that leads to this kind of hiearchies is what it takes to stop top down abuse and exploitation. As an example I take one of your points: that "we can do anything to you and you cannot complain/if you dont like it in here then leave/you should be graeatfull you even have a job/ all because you are absolutely replacable" structure is a necessary and inherent feature of capitalism called "reserved armor of labour", that is used as a cohersion toll to control workers into behaving, to blackmail them into not saying anything bevause they dont have a choice because someone else os unnemployed and will take what you wont. It has existed in the entire history of capitalism and it will only end with thw wnding of the system and replacement with a better mode os work. Like ecossocialism. Plus capitalism is leading us all to extintion VERY soon, remember that. We need out way out. (btw english is my third language ok? any eventual little mistake in writting dont cut away from my very understandable ponts. if. foh with your grammarly sht)
Work place abuse is more likely to decrease than capitalism to disappear
Everyone I've ever met irl makes their bad mood everyone else's problem. I totally believe these employees had a terrible experience working on these shows, but I can't recall one job I've had that was ever an actual place I'd describe as not stressful or "fun" to be at. It's unrealistic to expect anyone to be in happy mode 24/7. It's even more unrealistic to expect people to not let their bad mood effect their daily life.
"It's even more unrealistic to expect people to not let their bad mood effect their daily life."
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It's not, actually. It's unrealistic to think no one, ourselves included, never slip up on that. But we can and should be held accountable to having better emotional maturity and restraint than elementary school aged children. Not only in big ways but yes, in petty ways, too. As you noted, the issue is rampant, and every time we respond in kind, we spread the ripple-effect outwards.
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I've literally seen people be better than that. And ever since working in customer service, I've tried to be better, myself. Even towards the one directly causing my bad mood (since losing my temper usually only puts me in a worse position), but even and especially towards the innocent bystanders.
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Sometimes I catch myself mid-way through, and have to reel it back in. But I often notice a difference when I do so in the attitude, responsiveness and helpfulness of the other person (even when my irritation is directly their fault and I shouldn't have to be "managing-up" as it were).
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[Especially in customer service reps, and especially-especially by phone where I know they deal with a lot of bs, which is why I'll never work in a call center.]
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We all can probably do better than we do, but we frequently fall unconsciously into the "but everyone else is doing it" trap even though most people like to think of themselves as above peer pressure and mob-mentality. It requires practice and self-discipline (and probably a heaping dose of personal experience-induced empathy), but we can in fact and should aim to be better.
@@iprobablyforgotsomething except I never once said anything about taking accountability for being a shitty person when in a bad mood. Nor did I ever say that it's okay for someone to always be a shitty person who they're in a bad mood.
@Sarahthevampyrslayer YOU HAVE NEVER MET SOMEONE WHO DIDNT MAKE A BAD MOOD YOUR PROBLEM? I am so sorry. I of course am guilty of this in my household but have worked on it. But never outside my house
This seems to play into the notion that "it's always the nice and quiet ones that you have to watch out for" like everyone who is nice is hiding a dark secret and they're actually always evil. But we don't say the same thing about people who are assholes, like they're actually really kind in private. I like how this video calls it fake niceness. I think it's also because these celebrities have a brand of being nice and they can't be mean otherwise it will hurt their career.
If we keep this ideals of "succes", "get rich or die trying", "celebrities, stars, divas" etc etc, this toxic environments will never dissappear, stop seeking to "get to the top" because, that it's what come with "the top", in media, in politics or whatever. We need better ways to live our lives and stop watching screens. That's toxic AF.
How to call out Johnny Depp fans without naming him 🤣🤣
Reasons: to quote Robert Caro, power can reveal some aspects of people. And in Hollywood, an industry that not only enabled narrcarsistic/sociopathic/ambitious behavior to get ahead, this power exacerbated it. Guys like Ellen, Jimmy, etc believe they have a gift (which admittedly they do) and now they have the power to advance their careers. Really this was the first time many of these celebrities CAN have this type of power.
2) the nature of late night talk show hosts or weekly comedy shows is stressful. You have to churn out content every week nonstop and make it work within a timespan, and be aware that any move ON AIR can end their careers. That means they are constantly feeling that stress. They are then going to be very very tense. The more the show becomes popular the more that stress increases. Now have a Hollywood comedian who maybe had to work years in the bottom part of the social spectrum running this show and you get the recipe for a fallout.
3)the para social obsession is horrid. It eskews our perception of reality. Remember how that whole girl boss thing that the 2000s promoted is not healthy. I think to the story the devil wears Prada. Hellen’s chrcater was advertised as the villain, then she got respect now she back to being a villain. While said character is not exactly moral or even that great of a boss, she to me isn’t the villain. I do t even know if she is an antagonist. All of the chrcaters have some issue that makes them in many guilty of a hostile workplace and it’s debatable if it’s even a hostile workplsce. Anne’s chrcater Afterall is lazy, takes a job without understanding the industry, enables the work atmosphere, and will most likely use the recommendation. Helen will give her to coast away on jobs-which she dosnt deserve.
There's one thing that annoys me, and is that in Ellen's case most of the controversy was caused by the fact that she's a normal human. People created this image of her where she was "nicer" than the rest of us, and that was simply not true. People have good days, bad days, people they like and people they don't like. So does she. Then she got blamed for the abuse 3 of her producers were guilty of. But as people aren't nuanced, they see her as the evil monster. Again, we don't have all the details, and she could have been awful, but for what we know so far, she was just average (when it comes to being nice/mean). There's other late night hosts that were meaner than her (Corden) but they didn't get this level of hate.
1) i think ellen’s issue is that she portrayed exactly that image-that she was nicer than everyone- so it was doubly shocking to see her be so mean
2) ive heard worse things ab her, such as low ranking employees not being allowed to look at her etc
Add to the list John Lasseter and the harassment against employees, and the toxic climates at Disney and Pixar.
I hope the people abuse by these people get justice
So Mrs Maisel's last season wasn't far from the truth portraying how working on late night is.
I actually met him and his wife when I was a waiter in NYC, and he was very nice and humble. He was very down to earth and friendly. It’s hard for me to believe that he is a terrible boss because he was just so nice and non fussy. Didn’t announce who he was and didn’t ask for special treatment.
Do I have to remind you that just bc someone WAS nice to you, doesn't mean they're nice to everyone? That's how abuse works.
I mean we all have a our GOOD moments lol but that doesn't shine a light on our full range so of course Fallon or someone like Oprah are going to be nice at a restaurant.
It’s understandable to not want to believe that someone who was nice to you can be a not so great person to others. But keep in mind that you only met him once. In a public setting that made it a wise choice for him to show his best face. Obviously, being in public doesn’t stop some people, including some celebrities, from being rude to waitstaff. But for someone like Jimmy Fallon, whose public persona as nice and lovable is pretty much his entire brand, he wasn’t going to risk being rude in a place where people would see him doing it. And that’s just some reasons. Some other less cynical reasons are that he might not have been faking kindness at that time. He may have been in a good mood, and was being genuine. But one genuinely nice day doesn’t erase all the scummy things he did to his employees.
I’m sure you know that, and I’m not trying to lecture you on this. Just putting in my two cents. Because you don’t appear to be saying you don’t believe his employees’ claims, and calling them liars. Just saying it’s hard for you to believe it and reconcile how he treated his employees with your anecdotal experience of him being positive. That’s an understandable feeling, like I said. I’ve seen people straight up say that someone couldn’t be bad person because they were nice when they met them once. Like they go full on denial, and even often harass the accusers/victims while saying horrible things about them. All because of an image they have in their heads of someone they only met once in a public setting, but don’t actually know. The parasocial is strong with those people. But you haven’t done any of those things here, so you’re not one of those people. You’re just feeling something that’s very relatable and harmless on it’s own.
He has the room to be nice that way when he's got staff to dump on later.
It's human nature to look for an outlet, it seems Fallon uses his employees.
you met him for 5 minutes and took his order. Very different than having to work for him day n and day out
I was an intern on Rachel Ray...it sucked and I was miserable. Note that i was one of 3 black people there....last year i interviewed at honestly every major TV network but God clearly was trying to keep me out of that mess of an industry. It's just too toxic and underpaid.
Eh, difficult artists be difficult. You need to be a certain type of person to 1) Want to be in that position and 2) Do what it takes to get there.
So it's not much of a surprise.
Here is what people fail to understand about being large and in charge... you support those who are supporting you or the whole pyramid falls. Once you turn the triangle in the cup angle... everything works almost as if it were magic... where the few support the many in doing what they need to do... everything is being turned upright. Deep breaths and hold on.
I don’t necessarily agree with some folks in the comments saying that a celebrity being kind isn’t realistic because it is. There have been many celebrities that have done as much good as possible with their platform and are genuinely decent people. Keanu Reeves is a good example of that.
Well, perhaps the US would do well improving worker's rights. Compared to the EU, worker's rights are nearly non-existent.
Yo i had no idea about the Horatio Sanz thing, WHAT??
Imagine dealing with this for minimum wage and no media coverage to back you up.
A boss that has had no management or leadership training is discovered to be a bad boss? Shocking!!
Zach from Whitest Kids U Know has a crazy story about Fallon.
5:19 SARAH SCHNEIDER FROM COLLEGEHUMOR!???? Noone is a good person at this point 7:33 good movie
This is why I think ppl should stop putting celebs on pedestals they’re not perfect some are good some are awful they’re just like everyone else they all sound nice and sweet during interviews but we don’t know them.
Indeed
What's also weird is people expecting bosses to be nice. They have always been somewhat of azzholez. They typically dont have anyone above them to tell them they are wrong. Whose going to fire them?? These celebrities are no different than the boss at the bank or McDonald's. We have all probably had a boss that sucked. If its a celebrity they get demonized, but the covert narcissist I have been working for continues to push on getting raises and praise??
Most of my bosses were great and my current is fantastic, but I've definitely had a nightmare boss.
I was temp in the public sector and I worked in a recruiting office. The while my immediate supervisor was awesome, the head of the department was horrendous. She would ask you to do something, but not tell you how to do it. When you asked a full-timer for help, they couldn't spare the time to help, as they were afraid they would fall behind and catch hell from the Head boss. She would call weekly meetings and openly mock everyone within those meetings. You would start crying at least a few times a week. I even found my immediate supervisor crying after getting chewed out for no reason.
The Head would send random email at 1 am, then get mad when whatever she wanted wasn't done (we all started at 8 am and as a temp, I had no way to see emails or do work from home at that time). We had to schedule recruiting trips for the 3 interviewers (including the Head) and scheduling things for her was impossible. She wanted to use direct bill for hotels, which no hotel accepted. The woman scheduling that trip literally called 30 hotels and had to prove it to the Head. The other temp got sick in the restroom one day (I heard her), but Head told her to "tough it out". She finally let he go home after lunch. I was terrified of this woman and HATED going in each day. I wanted to quit, but i was afraid they wouldn't be hired at a temp anymore. This was also long before I had my first drink, but back then, I considered taking up drinking to cope. I was also big into the anime "Hell Girl" back them and legit tried using a "Hell Link" website I found to send her there. 😕
The contract was only 5 months and I never worked for her again. I had worked with her previously, but not as closely. I haven't met a single individual who both knows her and LIKES her. After a gubernatorial regime change, she was booted and I haven't seen her since, but her image in my mind makes me panic a bit.
All my sympathies to you, fr. Had a boss almost as bad. She couldn't understand why we weren't all thrilled to the point of wildly cheering applause when she announced one meeting that her contract had been renewed for another x-many years term. She was unaware of how she, while managing to present herself well to the shareholders and such (she had a really-convincing-at-first-meeting car salesman sell-herself persona), she utterly failed to hide her (no lie, legit) narcissism from the underlings who saw her on a near-to-everyday basis.
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I still feel a sense of stomach-knotting dread just thinking of her.
No shock to me, doesn't matter who the person is, power will corrupt. We only ever saw it in men because they held it for so long. No one is immune to it
"If you don't like it then leave." is simultaneously soul destroying and a kindness, because it gives you a justifiable out.
Lmao. Some manager told us (staff) that, then I left after like a bit later. 😂 Girl, you said it!
Nah... this is just how power works. When you employ 100+ staff, there's bound to be power imbalances and mistreated staff. HR's job was never to solve these problems but just to manage them while the company pump out new products. Like the English and Mongol empire, nobody can keep this up forever. The place will be downsized eventually due to infighting.
Unionizing and downsizing (or breaking up monopolies) are by far the best ways to deal with workplace mistreatment.
I will be devastated if this kind of report comes out about "The Late Show with Stephen Colbert". It's a better show than this generation of "The Tonight Show", and Colbert is (seemingly) awesome.
same feeling for the fashion industry.
The worst workplace I had was a retail compagny, saying "you're free to be yourself, we're against homophobia, transphobia, harassment etc. You can talk to us if something happened" then something happened and they're giving you cold shoulder saying you're the crazy one. So I've decided to take them to court
Just because these are celebrities it’s made a big issue. But let’s face it This CULTURE is the DNA of most of the MNC’s, SCHOOLS etc. It makes it to the headlines just because a celebrity is involved.
I'm glad people say Conan is lovely!
But... creating a better work environment... so far with my work experience... I've had places where I had colleagues I liked, but it seems like utopia to find a place where you are valued as an individual, and where you are supported and encouraged to maintain work-life balance.
Isn’t Jimmy the only addict here? An addiction like alcoholism that fucks with his behavior and demeanor. And it’s the suits enabling instead of helping him. Then he responded to the allegations with the most genuine response. Idk, I think he needs help.
Work places in general are just bad. My current bosses are cool but many of my past ones were terrible.
3:38 I read "Bossypants" about 5 times while I was in jail in 2014. Good book. I guess some of the SNL writers will leave cups of urine sitting around in their office. Bathroom is maybe ten yards away and they piss in cups because they don't want to break their creative stride. Art is hard.
Really? Is anyone surprised by any of this? Fallon always creeped me out for reasons I couldn't fully articulate and just never got the hype with him. Maybe his style resonates more with women than men. Who knows? But I just never got him. He's like a creepy character off Stranger Things or the Goldbergs and I cant stand those shows either hahaha
My husband is the same! I guess he got those off vibes.
This is a PSA that you can be both kind and have issues. Not everyone is a "narcissist" (despite the word's overuse today) and not everyone who has character flaws is putting up a façade when they are kind.
We have this binary, reductionistic thinking about people like they are either all good or all bad. People are complex and messy and imperfect. And guess what? You are also people.
I love how our generation is so outraged by this as if this hasn't been the entire history of mankind.
Also its insideous in many 'cute' industries such as toy design and animation