What an experience! As I told you, I’m on the quest for the fastest, coolest, and most innovative charging solutions. Today’s visit to Atlis was truly insane and I really appreciate how open they were with you and me about their progress and technology. Hope you enjoy this deep dive, this is what I live for!
Exro technologies is working on AC Fast Charging capabilities with their inverter/coil switching technology (Coil Driver). I’m still waiting to hear more on that front from them… just 17 miles from Atlis Motors 🧐
How can I put this? In the real world there is a +1MW charging solution and yes, it was filmed for TH-cam. It's certainly not as complex or elegant as this, but it exists. Gavin from the @EcotricityNZ channel filmed it a few months ago th-cam.com/video/Rj305HdU46c/w-d-xo.html
@@Dqtube thats technically more power but it uses multiple CCS connections. this example is special because they're pumping all that juice through one connection
When I first saw the length of this video, I thought to myself I'll just skip through. 1 hour later I've watched it all not skipping a single minute. Great content. Thanks for the Out of Spec team, and for Atlis that gave us this opportunity!
Kyle, wow , my background as a Electronics Technician also certified Litton Industrial Microwave Technician, truly awesome to see this bleeding edge of high power DC charging, what can I say I am speechless!
Handle is good for the connector, especially if there's substantial insertion force. Less chance of wrist fatigue or injury from putting force on the joints at a strange angle. It would also be easier to grip if you can wrap your fingers around it, especially with smaller hands. As for the stations themselves, I like the demo unit setup that keeps the cable off the ground. Probably something like a tall pole with a swing arm so the cable isn't dragging or getting run over.
I agree with adding the handle. The grip is smaller so when you're charging in the snow or the cold and have gloves on it's a bit harder to grip the charger.
#HandleGang! Kyle, you're becoming a pioneeer in the world of EVs! Thank you for your efforts! Have you ever thought of lobbying in DC? You may be able to help us change these archaic laws which favor fossil fuels!
Love that you did this video. I’ve beloved in what ATLIS is doing for a couple years now. I’ve invested in them early on and as much as I love their video I have not seen anything nearly as in depth as your video. Nice work, keep it coming. Thank you
So a typical Nuclear Reactor output is 1500MWe, which means it can only power 1500 charges like this... then you need to deliver this power over the grid.. I just do not see this happening in the next 50 years or so..
I have to admit that this is over my head, but I am glad to which videos like this one. That is how I will learn about how this all works. Kyle I love your enthusiasm.
I wish them luck. But I’m confused because they seem like very smart people familiar with their field but even as a layperson outsider I can see that charIN is finalizing the MCS standard and there is no chance that a proprietary charger from a small company will ever have a chance. Continuing work on their own connector seems like wasted resources and engineering time that could be better directed at their other projects.
Decades ago we were filming a commercial in Mexico City, at their large studio. We needed to warm up a prop Jacuzzi, quickly. So the studio electricians took a 2X4, nail on either end, wrapped with bare wire, and plugged it into the Mains at the wall panel. Dropped it into the spa, and told everyone to Step Back. They threw the large, old fashion “Frankenstein” switch, and the water instantly started to boil! It only took a few seconds for it to get to a comfortable temperature for our models. :-)
In 2001 I was involved with load testing 6 huge marine generators the same way - 6MWish……….. generators were connected up to 6 x 40ft half height shipping containers full of water. All tested fine, miles of huge cables disconnected and removed (no body was allowed into the main machinery space during the test btw) BUT after the half height containers had been drained and lifted off the hatch c overs for the ship we found that there were 6 x 40ft areas of bare steel under the test units…….. basically we had dissolved all the protective galvanising off 3 massive 30t steel hatch covers! We also had to have the ship’s magnetic compass re-swung and adjusted because the ship’s magnetism had changed drastically during the load testing!
Scoreboard is a good idea, but it’d be nice to have remaining charge time displayed so if charger is full you can get in line behind the vehicle that’ll be done first. Not quite sure if it should display time to resume trip like a Tesla or time to set limit should be displayed, maybe both but that’s a lot of information for a quick reference board.
I love the confidence in their equipment to just keep pushing it. Obviously, I’m sure they’ve been doing private testing and were confident it would perform but the confidence is contagious.
As an original investor, I appreciate how you guys have been transparent on this journey and listened to the people. I vote that you need that handle. You should leave enough area to grip the body with your other hand if need be. I also think that you need to make sure that there is a fix point or hanging point. It might be beneficial to have an overhead retractable cable to both support the weight of a cord and to help keep it off of the ground or swung out of the way.
This was truly amazing to see. Can’t wait to see real world applications implemented plus there should be automotive manufacturers prototype vehicles testing in there facilities already.
This is super cool and might have an application in semis and heavy equipment, but as far as a normal auto sized battery, it seems useless. We can't even put 150kw into them for very long without cooking the current batteries.
This is crazy interesting. I volunteer on my City Electric Utility advisory board and we fluctuate from 40Mw base load to about 100Mw peak. That’s about 50,000 population plus business.
I'm struck by the scale of all that's needed to power and cool this kind of system. Right now it seems like an almost comical amount of power needed. To run one of these in the real world you would probably need your own substation for each unit, which seems like a large barrier to mass adoption. Still, this gives a sense of where EV chargers and cars are going. It's likely all these problems will be solved eventually and the grid will scale to allow locations for megawatt charging in the near future. Imagine the ev market share when the cars can charge as fast or faster than a gas/diesel truck can refill.
The demand charges of megawatt charging will never make megawatt charging a profitable endeavor. Most utilities have a $5-$15 per kW demand charge. It could cost up to $5,000 - $15,000 a month just in demand charges. Say you only have 60 vehicles get a full charge of 60 kWh at a max of 1mW. You’d had to charge $2.77 per kWh just to cover the demand charges. Compared to gas, that would be like driving a 4 mile per gallon car cost wise.
@@Jhawk376 Thats a solid point for the near future I hadn't considered. I sometimes wonder if a better solution is grid charging batteries that themselves can send energy faster to cars that come in to charge. In theory you won't have peak charger 24/7 so there is time at night or off hours to charge onsite storage that ca be used when demand is needed. I think I saw this in another one of his videos too.
@@JoeSimonsen I think Kyle showcased this already. for places that are a bit more removed they keep some batteries charged to allow for higher rates without needing infrastructure.
As a retired electrical engineer working in the genset business, I don’t think you have any concept on the amount of “energy” in 1 Megawatt of power. The expansion of the electrical transmission network to handle a station of several 1 MW chargers will be horrendously expensive. That will lead to higher electricity prices. The existing transmission network in the USA needs a lot of updates and replacements to handle the ever increasing needs for electricity. That’s not going to happen overnight or even in a few years. I don’t think I want to be plugging my EV (assuming I ever have one) into equipment capable of 1 MW power flow. To me 250kW is too dangerous to be around. If there is ever a failure , it’s going to be like the “big bang”.
How long have you been retired? Getting megawatt+ power drops just isn't that hard nowadays. Look at the rapid expansion of the supercharger network for one, the explosion of Bitcoin processors, and data centers everywhere. Projects take some time for planning and acquisition of transformers, but there are no fundamental obstacles to this. US infrastructure is continually upgrading as it has been for over 70 years. Capacity is 6 times what it was in the 60's, adding some charging capacity for EVs will only be another 20% expansion over today's levels.
This was a great video, I loved seeing the early development and could see the excitement. I would like to see wired communication for reliability vs wireless communication in a charging setup for a vehicle. Maybe Atlus can help improve the cable situation on current chargers. The drop in place would be great for disaster areas, roll the cabinet up with batteries, solar and generators to help in emergencies in the future. I wonder what Weights and Measures in states with say about no screen? That's a problem in the EU for their regulatory body.
Proceeds to poke the screwdriver into the service panel... jaw dropped! Still, this is great that they are pushing the limits of these charging systems. 👍
The white charger with an external handle is definitely the better choice for the connector. Not everyone has large hands that can handle a large diameter connector. It could also slip in rain and snow. The one with the external handle is absolutely much easier to handle in all situations. Just make it of rigid and unbreakable materials. It would be best, if you include some metallic stripe in it, so that if it weakens in hot climates, and the plastics break, the handle doesn't, and it can still be used until it is exchanged.
"The Atlis chargers are not going to have screens. They're kind of irrelevant, everyone has a digital screen in their pocket." NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! The "app only" nonsense needs to stop, and those who propose systems that require an app to use need to get a full out Three Stooges grade slap across the face the moment they say something that stupid. I can go use almost any gas pump in the country with nothing but a credit card. I don't need to have cell service, my phone doesn't need to have a charge, it doesn't need to authenticate my vehicle, it just needs to accept the same form of payment accepted almost anywhere else in the world. It shows me exactly how fast the fuel is flowing and how much I'm spending without requiring me to sign up to a system. Anything that's phone-only is an absurdly massive step backwards. There's of course nothing wrong with having a good app that allows for more convenient use, but the idea of mandating it is blatantly stupid. Likewise for the point about wireless communication. Yeah, WiFi is faster than 500kbit/sec CAN connections, but that's not comparing apples to apples. What do those high speed WiFi connections use for backhaul? Higher speed wired ethernet, which could easily instead just be fed down the connector to the vehicle for a reliable connection from anywhere between 10mbit/sec and 10gbit/sec. Or if four pairs of high speed signals are just too much to deal with on a rugged connector, the same single pair one would need for CAN can also be used for single-pair ethernet from 10mbit/sec to 1gbit/sec. I can accept that wireless might prove easier to maintain long term because it doesn't require high speed data to travel over contacts exposed to the elements and abused by all sorts, but it's never faster than a good wire. Whatever encoding one manages to run over the air can be run with more RF bandwidth and better SNR over a wire.
1) Wireless doesn't necessarily mean "WiFi", it could be any number of protocols. Large bandwidth isn't needed. 2) Tesla has been screen free for a decade and is the most reliable system out there. Interface available not just in your pocket but in the vehicle too. 3) They'll probably end up with screens anyway because they're starting to be mandated in parts of the US and Europe.
I would like to know how Atlis will test their EV charger in various temperature ranges to prevent the issues associated with EA's massif charger fail during the CO cold a few weeks ago!
I think the dispensers should be something similar to Kempower stations. skinny pedestal with a place for the handle and card reader with the cable going up high and extending out on a movable pole or spring so you can get front charge port and back charge ports.
Although this is a crazy awesome proof of concept, it seems to me anyway, that it would be easier/simpler to evolve the battery tech to charge faster than to have the infrastructure in place to support a massive rollout of something like this.
It’s really a vehicle limit and with that the cooling on the batteries that’s throttling today. On my truck the time I can actually take 200kw plus in my charge curve is pretty short.
I like that they're so confident in their tech that they're willing to show it off outside of sanitary, big network conditions. This could still be faked but I'm not getting that impression here. Hopefully Atlis and others like it succeed!
Handle on the connector, but the handle supports on the prototype look like they'll easily be broken. The disregard people have for the charge handles in the real world is nuts and these things need to be extremely durable.
Now, we need a power grid from the public utilities to reliably power these mega chargers, and some BIG Palos Verde size nuclear-power generation stations for enough juice. ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
Definitely need a handle, right now I quite often have a phone in my hand while initiating the session and a handle would make it much easier to plug in with one hand. I envision a gas station like concept so a vehicle can pull in either the left or right or front or wherever it’s charge port is. Make a few stations that are longer like RV/Semi pumps for pull thru with trailers. Have a board that shows status of all the stations so you can see when pulling in what’s online, what’s in use, and be able to pick what fits your need. Red light green light status with a phone app, as Kyle said one kiosk for those who need to swipe a card and don’t have a phone app. Semi fuel stations do something similar with cardlocks.
Non removable derailleur hanger on steel bikes are super common, the one thing is unlike aluminum which has a definite fatigue life and degrades to a complete failure. Steel has a nearly infinite fatigue for motions that bend it to the extreme
I just read the companies PR about their megawatt charging and the same day you are making a video about it. Kyle is in the know. The press release didn't really wow investors though, stock was actually down for the day.
We need charging stations that support towing, the design doesn't matter to me, but the stations that support people who are towing does. Also the chargers shouldn't be too far from the highway.
As Atlis is making a truck, they have always planned on installing their charging stations along highways and to provide room for trailers. The plan I read is their chargers will be pull through.
A 100 KW solar array may trickle charge the battery bank( 2 days). A 200 KW array would do that faster (5-8 hours). You don't need a megawatt of power everyday. So, a 200 or 250 KW solar array would be optimum. The generators would only serve as a back up in times of need. The grid would also help with a 100 or 200 KW. Also a megawatt charger would charge 14-16 vehicles at a time. And 4 to 5 simultaneously at a high speed.
All changing stations need to be drive though and have awnings to get the sun, rain, and snow off the chargers and let the air follow through the whole station with easy cleaning of station as need
That kind of power is… cray cray! I wonder who will release the first vehicle capable of swallowing that much juice? Probably won't see it for many years to come.
I have seen a max of 448 KW output from the battery when drag racing my Tesla Model 3 Performance. I imagine the Plaid will show 750 KW or more for maximum output. Have you ever tracked your output with the Plaid when under full acceleration?
With wireless communication, in theory the vehicle can start to handshake with the charger BEFORE the plug is inserted into the vehicle. But I would very much worry about environmental RF interference from nearby radio sources causing problems with the charging communications.
Very Interesting approach 👍. Definitely need a battery pack with superior thermal conduction. The only question is where is the energy coming from? Unless it comes from a local nuclear power or Alternative energy forms, it will eventually be limited by grid power. Definitely a good alternative for high availability EV charging infrastructure. Most probable application is for EVSemi charging. Hope they are not in the game to just soakup the govt. incentives for EV infrastructure. Just some 💭.
What an experience! As I told you, I’m on the quest for the fastest, coolest, and most innovative charging solutions. Today’s visit to Atlis was truly insane and I really appreciate how open they were with you and me about their progress and technology. Hope you enjoy this deep dive, this is what I live for!
Exro technologies is working on AC Fast Charging capabilities with their inverter/coil switching technology (Coil Driver). I’m still waiting to hear more on that front from them… just 17 miles from Atlis Motors 🧐
Fast charging a Caterpillar 793 mining truck would be epic. I wonder what kind of charging port it has?
How can I put this? In the real world there is a +1MW charging solution and yes, it was filmed for TH-cam. It's certainly not as complex or elegant as this, but it exists. Gavin from the @EcotricityNZ channel filmed it a few months ago th-cam.com/video/Rj305HdU46c/w-d-xo.html
@@Dqtube thats technically more power but it uses multiple CCS connections. this example is special because they're pumping all that juice through one connection
This was awesome to see. Thank you @KyleConner for sharing this.
Please include a flashlight integrated into the connector, and also chamfer the edges to make it locate into the socket more easily than ccs does
One of the best videos Out of Spec has done. So much great information in this video. Definitely want to see the follow up to this video.
Yeah, I want more factory/lab tours, all types.
Victor is the perfect employee. He loves his job and is enthusiastic.
When I first saw the length of this video, I thought to myself I'll just skip through. 1 hour later I've watched it all not skipping a single minute. Great content. Thanks for the Out of Spec team, and for Atlis that gave us this opportunity!
Kyle, wow , my background as a Electronics Technician also certified Litton Industrial Microwave Technician, truly awesome to see this bleeding edge of high power DC charging, what can I say I am speechless!
People like you are gonna really keep the EV companies in line! Great work! Stay on it!!!!!
Here comes quality information w/great camera work
Handle is good for the connector, especially if there's substantial insertion force. Less chance of wrist fatigue or injury from putting force on the joints at a strange angle. It would also be easier to grip if you can wrap your fingers around it, especially with smaller hands.
As for the stations themselves, I like the demo unit setup that keeps the cable off the ground. Probably something like a tall pole with a swing arm so the cable isn't dragging or getting run over.
This is one of the most exciting things I have seen on TH-cam :p Atlas rocks!!!
I agree with adding the handle. The grip is smaller so when you're charging in the snow or the cold and have gloves on it's a bit harder to grip the charger.
#HandleGang!
Kyle, you're becoming a pioneeer in the world of EVs! Thank you for your efforts! Have you ever thought of lobbying in DC? You may be able to help us change these archaic laws which favor fossil fuels!
This was so much fun to watch and I can't wait to see more stuff from Atlis!
Kyle, thank you so much for this. I have one word: WOW!
Love that you did this video. I’ve beloved in what ATLIS is doing for a couple years now. I’ve invested in them early on and as much as I love their video I have not seen anything nearly as in depth as your video. Nice work, keep it coming. Thank you
So a typical Nuclear Reactor output is 1500MWe, which means it can only power 1500 charges like this... then you need to deliver this power over the grid.. I just do not see this happening in the next 50 years or so..
Micro-nuclear reactor on site!!! Forget battery storage!
Glad I bought megawatts of AMV stock years ago! (before they fully went public)
I have to admit that this is over my head, but I am glad to which videos like this one. That is how I will learn about how this all works. Kyle I love your enthusiasm.
Don’t worry once you have time it’s not that complicated. Just becomes super cool!
I’ve been watching atlis and the dev of their truck for a while, I wish them nothing but the best of luck with their endeavours. Amazing stuff.
I wish them luck. But I’m confused because they seem like very smart people familiar with their field but even as a layperson outsider I can see that charIN is finalizing the MCS standard and there is no chance that a proprietary charger from a small company will ever have a chance. Continuing work on their own connector seems like wasted resources and engineering time that could be better directed at their other projects.
Decades ago we were filming a commercial in Mexico City, at their large studio. We needed to warm up a prop Jacuzzi, quickly. So the studio electricians took a 2X4, nail on either end, wrapped with bare wire, and plugged it into the Mains at the wall panel. Dropped it into the spa, and told everyone to Step Back. They threw the large, old fashion “Frankenstein” switch, and the water instantly started to boil! It only took a few seconds for it to get to a comfortable temperature for our models. :-)
In 2001 I was involved with load testing 6 huge marine generators the same way - 6MWish……….. generators were connected up to 6 x 40ft half height shipping containers full of water. All tested fine, miles of huge cables disconnected and removed (no body was allowed into the main machinery space during the test btw) BUT after the half height containers had been drained and lifted off the hatch c overs for the ship we found that there were 6 x 40ft areas of bare steel under the test units…….. basically we had dissolved all the protective galvanising off 3 massive 30t steel hatch covers! We also had to have the ship’s magnetic compass re-swung and adjusted because the ship’s magnetism had changed drastically during the load testing!
This was impressive guys. Good work
Very cool stuff! The part with Mark at the end was also really interesting.
Thank you for this look behind the curtain
This is awesome!! Atlis really came a long way.
Scoreboard is a good idea, but it’d be nice to have remaining charge time displayed so if charger is full you can get in line behind the vehicle that’ll be done first. Not quite sure if it should display time to resume trip like a Tesla or time to set limit should be displayed, maybe both but that’s a lot of information for a quick reference board.
I love the confidence in their equipment to just keep pushing it. Obviously, I’m sure they’ve been doing private testing and were confident it would perform but the confidence is contagious.
As an original investor, I appreciate how you guys have been transparent on this journey and listened to the people.
I vote that you need that handle. You should leave enough area to grip the body with your other hand if need be. I also think that you need to make sure that there is a fix point or hanging point. It might be beneficial to have an overhead retractable cable to both support the weight of a cord and to help keep it off of the ground or swung out of the way.
Possibly the coolest(nerdiest) video i've seen, as far as charging, thx Kyle. the future is so bright, i need shades 😎
This was truly amazing to see. Can’t wait to see real world applications implemented plus there should be automotive manufacturers prototype vehicles testing in there facilities already.
This is super cool and might have an application in semis and heavy equipment, but as far as a normal auto sized battery, it seems useless. We can't even put 150kw into them for very long without cooking the current batteries.
This is crazy interesting. I volunteer on my City Electric Utility advisory board and we fluctuate from 40Mw base load to about 100Mw peak. That’s about 50,000 population plus business.
1.21 JigaWatts! 1.21 JigaWatts!
Good luck guys.
34:12 props to Alyssa for filming this whole thing by hand on a phone!
Anna not Alyssa.
True trooper champ
Not sure I agree with the car and charger communicating wirelessly but this is impressive. I love how small the connector.
I like the handle!
Awesome video highlight of Atlis. Love the excitement
Great! Now bring all of that stuff up here in Quebec during a cold winter night and make it work at the same speeds please!
I'm struck by the scale of all that's needed to power and cool this kind of system. Right now it seems like an almost comical amount of power needed. To run one of these in the real world you would probably need your own substation for each unit, which seems like a large barrier to mass adoption. Still, this gives a sense of where EV chargers and cars are going. It's likely all these problems will be solved eventually and the grid will scale to allow locations for megawatt charging in the near future. Imagine the ev market share when the cars can charge as fast or faster than a gas/diesel truck can refill.
The demand charges of megawatt charging will never make megawatt charging a profitable endeavor.
Most utilities have a $5-$15 per kW demand charge. It could cost up to $5,000 - $15,000 a month just in demand charges. Say you only have 60 vehicles get a full charge of 60 kWh at a max of 1mW. You’d had to charge $2.77 per kWh just to cover the demand charges. Compared to gas, that would be like driving a 4 mile per gallon car cost wise.
@@Jhawk376 the concept of demand pricing will eventually phase out.
@@Jhawk376 Thats a solid point for the near future I hadn't considered. I sometimes wonder if a better solution is grid charging batteries that themselves can send energy faster to cars that come in to charge. In theory you won't have peak charger 24/7 so there is time at night or off hours to charge onsite storage that ca be used when demand is needed. I think I saw this in another one of his videos too.
main users will probably be semi trucks. maybe a few other vehicles that can handle it will be able to stop by or something.
@@JoeSimonsen I think Kyle showcased this already. for places that are a bit more removed they keep some batteries charged to allow for higher rates without needing infrastructure.
Those wheels look great on Model Plaid 😍
As a retired electrical engineer working in the genset business, I don’t think you have any concept on the amount of “energy” in 1 Megawatt of power. The expansion of the electrical transmission network to handle a station of several 1 MW chargers will be horrendously expensive. That will lead to higher electricity prices. The existing transmission network in the USA needs a lot of updates and replacements to handle the ever increasing needs for electricity. That’s not going to happen overnight or even in a few years. I don’t think I want to be plugging my EV (assuming I ever have one) into equipment capable of 1 MW power flow. To me 250kW is too dangerous to be around. If there is ever a failure , it’s going to be like the “big bang”.
Yeah, this charging system is a one off demonstration. It isn't ever going into mass production.
How long have you been retired? Getting megawatt+ power drops just isn't that hard nowadays. Look at the rapid expansion of the supercharger network for one, the explosion of Bitcoin processors, and data centers everywhere. Projects take some time for planning and acquisition of transformers, but there are no fundamental obstacles to this. US infrastructure is continually upgrading as it has been for over 70 years. Capacity is 6 times what it was in the 60's, adding some charging capacity for EVs will only be another 20% expansion over today's levels.
Where's the truck 🤣
Very interesting video! Did get slight QVC vibes 😂
Atlis Energy Solutions is the real deal!
This is one of the coolest videos I have recently seen. Very exciting!
This was a great video, I loved seeing the early development and could see the excitement. I would like to see wired communication for reliability vs wireless communication in a charging setup for a vehicle. Maybe Atlus can help improve the cable situation on current chargers. The drop in place would be great for disaster areas, roll the cabinet up with batteries, solar and generators to help in emergencies in the future. I wonder what Weights and Measures in states with say about no screen? That's a problem in the EU for their regulatory body.
Absolutely loved this video! Super interesting to get a behind the scenes look, would love to see more videos like this!
Proud atlis investor here 🙋♂️. Make sure to invest!
Proceeds to poke the screwdriver into the service panel... jaw dropped! Still, this is great that they are pushing the limits of these charging systems. 👍
It's below zero at my home. Been there for 24 hours. It NEEDS to work below zero for two weeks straight. That happens once a year in North Dakota.
The white charger with an external handle is definitely the better choice for the connector. Not everyone has large hands that can handle a large diameter connector. It could also slip in rain and snow. The one with the external handle is absolutely much easier to handle in all situations. Just make it of rigid and unbreakable materials. It would be best, if you include some metallic stripe in it, so that if it weakens in hot climates, and the plastics break, the handle doesn't, and it can still be used until it is exchanged.
Doc Brown "Hold my beer" 😁
"The Atlis chargers are not going to have screens. They're kind of irrelevant, everyone has a digital screen in their pocket."
NO! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!
The "app only" nonsense needs to stop, and those who propose systems that require an app to use need to get a full out Three Stooges grade slap across the face the moment they say something that stupid.
I can go use almost any gas pump in the country with nothing but a credit card. I don't need to have cell service, my phone doesn't need to have a charge, it doesn't need to authenticate my vehicle, it just needs to accept the same form of payment accepted almost anywhere else in the world. It shows me exactly how fast the fuel is flowing and how much I'm spending without requiring me to sign up to a system.
Anything that's phone-only is an absurdly massive step backwards. There's of course nothing wrong with having a good app that allows for more convenient use, but the idea of mandating it is blatantly stupid.
Likewise for the point about wireless communication. Yeah, WiFi is faster than 500kbit/sec CAN connections, but that's not comparing apples to apples. What do those high speed WiFi connections use for backhaul? Higher speed wired ethernet, which could easily instead just be fed down the connector to the vehicle for a reliable connection from anywhere between 10mbit/sec and 10gbit/sec. Or if four pairs of high speed signals are just too much to deal with on a rugged connector, the same single pair one would need for CAN can also be used for single-pair ethernet from 10mbit/sec to 1gbit/sec.
I can accept that wireless might prove easier to maintain long term because it doesn't require high speed data to travel over contacts exposed to the elements and abused by all sorts, but it's never faster than a good wire. Whatever encoding one manages to run over the air can be run with more RF bandwidth and better SNR over a wire.
1) Wireless doesn't necessarily mean "WiFi", it could be any number of protocols. Large bandwidth isn't needed.
2) Tesla has been screen free for a decade and is the most reliable system out there. Interface available not just in your pocket but in the vehicle too.
3) They'll probably end up with screens anyway because they're starting to be mandated in parts of the US and Europe.
ur black model is looks amazing
What a very interesting video a glimpse into the future
Long one, but really informative! Great job!
very promising ... the future looks bright!
I would like to know how Atlis will test their EV charger in various temperature ranges to prevent the issues associated with EA's massif charger fail during the CO cold a few weeks ago!
I'm wondering if idle stations would be in danger of having the water cooling freeze if it gets cold enough.
So glad I purchased their stock and placed a reservation on their truck!
Handle is so much better ergonomically.
Dam fantastic video. Wish u would have showed the teslas state of charge at the end
“Drop in solution “ sounds like hope for a future defense contract.
100%%%
I think the dispensers should be something similar to Kempower stations. skinny pedestal with a place for the handle and card reader with the cable going up high and extending out on a movable pole or spring so you can get front charge port and back charge ports.
Kyle is standing INSIDE the charger saying "I want to blow stuff up!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ha
Although this is a crazy awesome proof of concept, it seems to me anyway, that it would be easier/simpler to evolve the battery tech to charge faster than to have the infrastructure in place to support a massive rollout of something like this.
30:40 I'd like to see the future of charging to be wireless embedded in the streets and parking lots.
Definitely handle @ 10:20. For something that big, I’d say put one on top too and have two handles.
Handle hands down
Safety first. Where is the discussion/warning of the serious dangers involved?
Tesla has the mega charger for their semis but I wonder if any damage will occur for that charger or will it speed up battery degradation
It’s really a vehicle limit and with that the cooling on the batteries that’s throttling today. On my truck the time I can actually take 200kw plus in my charge curve is pretty short.
I think a totally under the radar Co.. I'm buying their stock
I like that they're so confident in their tech that they're willing to show it off outside of sanitary, big network conditions. This could still be faked but I'm not getting that impression here. Hopefully Atlis and others like it succeed!
Crazy to think this is happening 2 miles from my friends house and within walking distance of an Arby's lol
100% with a handle!
Hot damn, i'm buying some Atlis stock.
Handle on the connector, but the handle supports on the prototype look like they'll easily be broken. The disregard people have for the charge handles in the real world is nuts and these things need to be extremely durable.
Now, we need a power grid from the public utilities to reliably power these mega chargers, and some BIG Palos Verde size nuclear-power generation stations for enough juice. ⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
Definitely go with the handle.
Definitely need a handle, right now I quite often have a phone in my hand while initiating the session and a handle would make it much easier to plug in with one hand. I envision a gas station like concept so a vehicle can pull in either the left or right or front or wherever it’s charge port is. Make a few stations that are longer like RV/Semi pumps for pull thru with trailers. Have a board that shows status of all the stations so you can see when pulling in what’s online, what’s in use, and be able to pick what fits your need. Red light green light status with a phone app, as Kyle said one kiosk for those who need to swipe a card and don’t have a phone app. Semi fuel stations do something similar with cardlocks.
Non removable derailleur hanger on steel bikes are super common, the one thing is unlike aluminum which has a definite fatigue life and degrades to a complete failure. Steel has a nearly infinite fatigue for motions that bend it to the extreme
I just read the companies PR about their megawatt charging and the same day you are making a video about it. Kyle is in the know. The press release didn't really wow investors though, stock was actually down for the day.
We need charging stations that support towing, the design doesn't matter to me, but the stations that support people who are towing does. Also the chargers shouldn't be too far from the highway.
First ones should be installed at existing Truck Stops like Pilot/Flying J, Love's, TA/Petro, etc.
Tesla has some now.
As Atlis is making a truck, they have always planned on installing their charging stations along highways and to provide room for trailers. The plan I read is their chargers will be pull through.
Very cool! But diesel generators required for these chargers? Not very green no?
I was really hoping you were gonna say 1.21 gigawatts!! Lol
High point inertial reel, like semi refuel point of sale pumps, so can work with any shaped vehicle towing very weirsd ft
A 100 KW solar array may trickle charge the battery bank( 2 days). A 200 KW array would do that faster (5-8 hours). You don't need a megawatt of power everyday. So, a 200 or 250 KW solar array would be optimum. The generators would only serve as a back up in times of need. The grid would also help with a 100 or 200 KW.
Also a megawatt charger would charge 14-16 vehicles at a time. And 4 to 5 simultaneously at a high speed.
14:59 , 22:02 - "1.21 GIGAWATTS...!!! GREAT SCOTT...!!!" (best Doc Brown reaction)
our electric cost are going to go through the roof with all this power us.
Atlis: I think the handle would make it easier to handle. Can’t wait to see what the future of Atlis does.
I’d like to see you cover how utility demand charges will effect if megawatt charging will ever be a thing.
All changing stations need to be drive though and have awnings to get the sun, rain, and snow off the chargers and let the air follow through the whole station with easy cleaning of station as need
HAHAHA "it looks too long", "we'll make it shorter" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That kind of power is… cray cray! I wonder who will release the first vehicle capable of swallowing that much juice? Probably won't see it for many years to come.
10 years atleast.
Waiting for super capacitors that can power cars!
This is amazing.
I have seen a max of 448 KW output from the battery when drag racing my Tesla Model 3 Performance. I imagine the Plaid will show 750 KW or more for maximum output. Have you ever tracked your output with the Plaid when under full acceleration?
With wireless communication, in theory the vehicle can start to handshake with the charger BEFORE the plug is inserted into the vehicle. But I would very much worry about environmental RF interference from nearby radio sources causing problems with the charging communications.
It's NFC has to touch
Very Interesting approach 👍. Definitely need a battery pack with superior thermal conduction. The only question is where is the energy coming from? Unless it comes from a local nuclear power or Alternative energy forms, it will eventually be limited by grid power. Definitely a good alternative for high availability EV charging infrastructure. Most probable application is for EVSemi charging. Hope they are not in the game to just soakup the govt. incentives for EV infrastructure. Just some 💭.