Professor Dave Destroys Kent Hovind (Young Earth Creationism Debunk)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ม.ค. 2020
- A channel named Modern Day Debate reached out to me based on my flat earth debunking to see if I would debate someone named Kent Hovind about Young Earth Creationism. Normally I stay out of religion, but I dug into this guy a little, and he is a total scumbag. The epitome of a con man. Nothing but lies and misrepresentations of science out of his mouth for several decades now. He's really no different than the flat earthers, manipulating people to make money. So I decided to take a chunk out of him. He's a slippery little greased pig, watch for his signature move, the gish gallop.
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This man avoids questions like they're his taxes
😂
xD
He avoids questions better then taxes
Avoids them like a politician dodging questions
zing!
"You're wrong, this book tells me so."
"Lets talk about that book."
"We're not here to talk about this book."
Dave Dave Dave.....do they swim in wateR ? I cried
This is most definitely my favorite comment and I hope it gets more likes
@@williamknight52 You know normally I'm a comment and leave it kind of guy but it's really shitty outside in the world right now and that cheered me up, thank you.
@@PADELATOR do they swim in *ThE WatEr*
Great comment 😅
"You might be a child abuser" from an actual child abuser who used to brag about how badly he beat his son Eric in front of packed church halls for a living.
It's horrifying! This man needs to be locked up. Not out of spite, he's a sad little man and I kinda feel sorry for him. But because this man is dangerous. He has and will hurt people.
Is this a real story? Omg....
@martins341 Yeah, hunt down his creation sermon series that's floating around. He tells the story of terrifying Eric Hovind into sitting still for the dentist by taking him out back and beating him each time he failed to comply. We aren't talking about slapping a hand to get a kids attention or something. He proudly boasts about his tennis backhand. He's absolutely gleeful when he tells the audience that his son is more afraid of him than anyone, flashing his signature "Used car salesman who is secretly a serial killer" smile.
@martins341 yes. He bragged about beating his son who was terrified while at the dentist.
also his park had a kid die and he employed a pedophile and totally enabled abuse to occur
the problem with "modern day debate" is that they don't moderate. a moderators job is not only checking for the talking time, but also making sure that the "loudest person wins" effect doesn't happen. a good moderator does things like person A asks a question, person B doesn't answer it (dances around) moderator says "Person B please answer the question" or "sign it as "unanswered". Also a good debate forum has fact checkers in the background who tell the moderator if something is not right so the moderator can say so.
dave learnt his lesson, he moved on to a better way to debate
Yes. Yes. Yes. So much.
Absolutely. You saw the last Presidential debate correct?
This mess goes all the way to the top.
Welcome to online debates
@@Groxley
yup.
I don't understand science therefore science is wrong.
Kent is a total loon
+Kore I knew I liked you for a reason.
Kore How can you claim to understand science when you believe in evolution?
Simon Bouazaza Bratsve
🤦♂️
all of these r/ videos allows you to make really good tldrs
Kent: the Bible says so.
Dave: so let's talk about the Bible.
Kent: *NO*
Even tho Kent mentioned the bible multiple different times.
@@ANTICHRISTian736 yeah, he mentioned it saying "the Bible says" but that's all. My point is Kent refused to talk about the Bible with Dave. At 19:00 Kent asks to see errors in the Bible and when Dave ,3 minutes later, says he'd like to talk about it Kent said no 21:05.
Oh god....I have to get to 19 mins to see this? I really....really wanted to watch this because Dave does an amazing job with explanations....but Kent started his 8 minutes, and I started to cry.
@Stan Gore it does not have to. Using math and research you can put time stamps on the events of the bible.
@@ANTICHRISTian736 So here is my problem with this idea. On one hand, you have a book, with many fanciful ideas like Adam and Eve living to approximately 900 years old, an Ark that was supposed to hold 2 of every animal for about a year, men rising from the dead, and so on so forth. On the other hand, you have science, where millions of people devote their lives to figuring out how the world works, using a variety of different sources, such as Ice core dating, geology, fossils, laws like the speed of light, evolution, ect, to prove the age of the earth is billions of years old.
To throw another wrench into things, scientists are constantly challenging ideas that others present, checking peoples methods meticulously, or finding new information that invalidates or changes the way we see things. So, my problem is, why would I trust one source when many sources say that it is wrong? And if I could only trust one source, why should it be yours? Why not another religion?
The moderator just looking completely dead inside is me in every online class
The moderator is just checked out probably playing Pokémon go.
@@Robert-dt4is Nah he's ignoring the conversation and paying attention to his super chat donations.
i'd zone out as well to avoid severe brain rot
iirc he's religious which was honestly a bit of a shame to learn considering the amount of these debates he's sat through and 'moderated'. I do think he really must be checking out to ignore all of the religious/religious idea beatdowns that have gone on. perhaps his view of religion doesn't necessarily conflict with the general evidence against it but you can only really go so far with it before it gets even more made up & dishonest.
You can be spiritually religious and/or agnostic and still believe in science
You can't have a sensible debate with an incompetent moderator. You just cannot.
you can't watch a creationist be a clown for 1.5 hours with a competet moderator
I think the video is broken, the top left corner appears to be on loop.
It's been on loop for over 30 years
@@DarthSinistris
30?
Perhaps 1900?
Cheers mate🍻
@@Obediah002 That's not what evolution is.
@Casey B oh my God you're exactly right. I've listen to the creation guy for about a minute and a half and then I thought, 'I can't even listen to this guy anymore'. And I came to the comments.
I like you sir/ma'am/non, you say things that I agree with.
Kent: "I dare you to find a scientific error in the bible"
Dave: "Lemme read you some passages"
Kent: "Wait a minute now..."
hahah i almost spit out my water at that part, just amazing.
I laughed so hard when he did this... Kent failure.
He's not prepared for that.
Was the same reason by some Christian religions control so much the study of the bible. Catholic church prohibited even to have one on your house in some periods of time. The Spanish Inquisition persecuted person just for having the book.
@jason4522 He "upheld the Bible"? What does that mean? Also, it's Loser. Looser means not so tight, like the screws that hold your brain in. Always nice to see christians go straight to insults though. Good for you. Jesus will be so proud.
My jaw dropped when this old man called Dave a child abuser for questioning the bible. That is just insane to me.
Kent Hovind hangs out with and frequently defends some guy named Chris who is a convicted pedophile. When asked about it he said "stop worrying about Chris, the real child abuse is teaching kids evolution". He is an absolute monster
It’s just a weak effort at gaslighting
Wtf? I must've missed that part.
Letting those good old bible morals shine bright smh
Lies are good I know
And the church abused hundreds of children in real life, you can’t comprehend how much of a Hypokrit Kent.
Kent Hovind thinks "Kent Hovind" and "KENT HOVIND" are different people when they appear on tax documents.
They should start listing "Dr. Kent Hovind" on his documents from now on. Maybe he'll pay them.
Kent’s logic: Adults don’t come from children because we’ve never seen a child go to bed and wake up the next morning as an adult.
Actually, that may be a good analogy. Thanks for the idea.
Technically we do, at the end of puberty when our growth plates fuse we literally go to bed and wake up as an adult, although we don't look any differentiated.
I'm a good example. I went through puberty a bit too early so I literally went to bed as a child who was going through puberty then when I was 9 and my puberty finished I suddenly was biologically an adult... even though I was only 9 years old. So I literally went to bed a child and woke as an adult 🤷♀️
@ Fiona -Jane kelly :
If that is the case, then the adult in the morning is still almost identical to the child before. The different child kind Kent Hovind expects to appear is very different from the parent kind, like a mouse producing an ape.
Hence, we can use the analogy of a baby turning into an adult overnight. No one has ever seen that happen. Yet there are people who believe babies can turn into adults. It's a religion, not science.
@@snoopyjot Except you've arbitrarily defined 'an adult' to meaning someone whose skeletal structure has stopped developing. Someone else might define 'an adult' to mean someone who has turned 18, someone else might define it to mean they've started their first job, etc. The Ancient Greeks defined adulthood to be somewhere around 14, 15. Biologically a human is adult the moment it is capable of producing offspring, regardless of their growth plates. The definition of 'adult' is vague and subject to change as people see fit. This is the entire problem with Kent's argument.
@@amyseilnum3346 Because all the polar bears that didn't have white fur died. Also I don't know what you mean by "straight to", this is a process that took hundreds of thousands of years.
Dave: "I wish I had done better in this debate"
Also Dave: _explains half of science in his 8 minute opener at the speed of a Gilmore Girls episode_
Technine bows down to this man
😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
"Funny you should mention taxes..." ohhhhhhh snap! He actually went there hahaha
For real, that opener was great in response to someone like Kent Hovind, who cannot respond to evidence or facts that accurately reflect reality. It forces Kent to reveal how much of a scheister he is. Unfortunately, Kent is a very experienced scheister and his style is likely effective on people who already share his beliefs
@@Slappy_McNasty_9090 I don't think I've ever heard an opening argument as compelling as this one...and I watch a LOT of Law & Order! 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
Talking to a wall would be much more productive than debating Kent
the most believable thing kent says during the entire debate "I'm a kindergarden dropout"
Wait! Hold on!
I'm 100% certain he also said: "I don't understand!".
Sooo two for two🤷🏼
I’m a Christian. I believe in the Bible, and god (to some extent anyway) there’s just one problem with using it as scientific evidence.
It’s not scientific! There’s nothing to prove that any of that actually happened, and that’s literally the point of religion. You can’t use religion to prove science because the point is to believe the religion by your own volition. Not to use it as scientific proof.
@@sasha-kq9su my religion is supported by scientific evidence, but thats because I worship the sun and to be specific not any sun god but the literal celestial object.
@@ultrahippy13I don’t see the utility in that. Does it make you happy? Does fulfilling a spiritual ritual do anything for you? Or are you just trolling about worshiping a ball of fire?
@@Samuel-tq9jx I don't understand the question. the point of it for me is to show appreciation to what is the cause of my existence, in this case the sun gives all life on earth the energy to grow and exist.
Normal person: A man can walk a mile by taking the journey one step at a time.
Kent: So you're saying that a man can teleport!? That's not scientific! There's no such thing as teleportation!
that makes no sense
it makes sense
he'd also be wrong about teleportation because it very much exists
@@duck6100 sure thing! every time i walk into the bar full of chicks, the next second its empty
This is perfect
I absolutely love how this moderator chooses to not moderate at all
For real. Dude was reading chat the entire time or something
They invite people with big audiences to "debate" so they can make money off of superchats or w/e from them. It'd be one thing if they actually moderated but they're just unnecessary middle men leeching off people imo.
Thanks for that. You have a good sense of humor.
He was just playing solitaire or something
he was really into his coffee
Have you ever kissed a car in a tornado and it turned into a frog, son? That's just not science!
😂
Sound's like something a 7 year old would say.
shi-ench!
Oh this got a good laugh out of me especially because I read it in his voice
I want to kiss him with my car ...
Kent Hovind's entire argument "Similar structures? Heh, more like similar designer." and then proceed to ramble about cars and skateboards
“ winning an argument against an intelligent person is impressive. Winning an argument against an idiot is impossible.”
Another one is you can’t talk sense into an idiot, Hovind is the proof. 😂🤣😂
I mean, if you're dumb enough, you can win, but both parties will exhaust each other
You guys keep laughing at Kent but he’s upset and in fact feels pity on you because you believe in this delusion that nothing created something. These evolution scientists always look into cells but they can’t ever explain how nothing created something. There’s a painting because there’s a painter there’s a creation because there’s a creator. Humans where created by god, don’t fall for this evolution trap. It’s simple we don’t come from sponges. No thing except for god existed millions of years ago so you cannot claim that evolution is an actual thing.
Understand that the life your living is wrong and sinful but every person has a savior and that is Jesus Christ. Repent of your sins and trust in Jesus. You won’t see him but you will feel his effect, similar to wind you can’t see it but you feel it’s effect. Then your trust and belief will keep growing stronger and you will do what I’m doing, telling people the truth.
@@markboyko4538 'you cannot claim evolution is an actual thing'
Sure you can, if you're referring to biological evolution.
In biology, a simple, one sentence definition of evolution is:
'Evolution is the change in the characteristics of a species over several generations and relies on the process of natural selection'.
That's it. It's how life on Earth works. It's demonstrated to be fact every day, all over the world.
No one in history has ever demonstrated otherwise.
There are plenty of geneticists and others working in the life sciences who are religious and have no problem accepting this basic fact of life. Even very devout Christians, like Francis Collins, who led the Human Genome Project, knows evolution is fact. No data or evidence indicates it isn't.
You can modify some aspects of your beliefs so they align with reality, but you sure can't change reality.
@@markboyko4538 You're lying to people, and yourself. There is no divinity in this world.
“You lied to children at church, that’s not teaching biology.” I’m calling the police and reporting this murder. 😂😂😂😂
God loves you. Romans 5:8
@@lucasfox8439 "Cats, as you know, are quite impervious to threats."
-Connie Willis
What is god?
James is a terrible mod. Dave is arguing with a brick wall.
Abysmal moderation ruined this debate. James allowed Kent to steamroller over anything the moment is came close to being something he couldn't answer, which was basically everything.
Kent should have been put on mute while Dave was allowed to discuss what he had prepared on the bible. If you don't moderate discussion you allow a conman to manipulate the conversation and avoid debate entirely.
True, although would Bonzi Buddy have agreed to a debate if it even was better moderated?
the debate was an insanely immoral conman vs. a nerd who can't detect sarcasm or snarkiness in text... the moderator who could've saved this dumpster fire is yet to be born
A scientist debates a toddler. Does this count as child abuse?
Not if the toddler is an 80 year old man who shids in a diaper
@@apolloandwarrior_3229 lmfao 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Yes
Yeah!! 😂😂 Dave sounded like a little angry man
@@BlakeosaurusRex not angry, frustrated. Hovind's explanations sounded like they came from a 7 year old.
"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits" - Albert Einstein
This Kent guy proves that stupidity has no bounds and, contrary to his argument, is living proof we are related to primates.
You’re right, professor Dave discredits himself my constantly reverting to ad hominem attacks and name calling.
@@ryangilles4837 And still some how faded kent. Amazing
@bryan Sike! Lol I'm not saying I agree with him but Kent destroyed Dave in this debate.
@@misc.2682 if by destroyed you mean "screamed over him like a child and dodging all questions". Then yes yo boy caught a body
Dave's camera coming on and him wearing the same exact condescending smile that I was wearing while listening to Kent talk was SUCH A MOMENT for me
Only people Kent ever beat were his wives
😂
He beat his son so bad, at the dentist office, that he included it in his 'doctoral dissertation'
@@LogicalLance Jesus help him
The moderator was so dumbfounded by Kent's arguments that he wasn't able to do his job 😅
“Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself. A wise man will not rebuke a fool.” Bruce Lee 1940~1973
LOL @@user-DongJ
That actually has it's roots in the Bible:
Proverbs 26:4-5
4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
or you yourself will be just like him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes.
@@radudrag "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." Kung Tzu ~500 BCE
@@user-DongJ Kung Tzu was a wise man.
By the way the book of Proverbs was written by King Solomon who lived between 990 and 931 BCE.
@@radudrag - Kent Hovind knows that compare to the Flat Earth apologists, Young Earth apologists have a slightly better chance of cracking/shaking the Old Earth promoters since there are still many more unsolved/unresolved problems, mysteries, dilemmas, etc. By creating enough Fear, Uncertainty, Confusion &/or Doubt (FUCD) & attacking those unresolved problems, Dr Hovind can keep Prof Dave on the defensive & grow/keep his base of Young Earth believers.
Such tactic/strategem was discussed in Sun Tzu’s Art of War & 36 Strategem. Perhaps Prof Dave should become more familiar with books like the Art of War to better counter Dr Hovind’s tactics.
Update everyone: Kent’s lawsuit has failed as he now faces domestic violence charge
Excellent news.
Absolutely EXQUISITE NEWS!!! this is music to my BLOODY EARS!!!
Hallelujah!
Good to see there’s some justice in the world
@@dwaynechristophercheeke8605 no, he has faced several domestic violence charges. He likes to beat the shit out of women.
Ken laughs at the proposition of a frog changing to a Prince as stated in a fairy tail book. Yet says in another book, everything in the world was created in 6 days. Oh the irony
Well, the walk around is that a "day" can last millions of years 😂
1:08:27 Kent says he believes whales are fish
1:09:17 Kent agrees that "whales are not fish"
1:09:24 Kent clearly still believes whales are fish and implies classification is wrong
1:09:45 Dave was brilliant with that destruction of Kent's fantasy book club.
Christ and this is who creationists look up too
This moderator, while he has a lot of patience, does no moderating whatsoever. He's a host, no moderator.
That’s why I refuse to debate Nathan Thompson on that platform
From what I've seen, James does an okay job of enforcing rules. The problem is, often there are pretty close to no rules. So no rules, no enforcement.
That's James for you
Chris Wallace's long lost twin
James stopped after Dave started insulting Ken. Dave failed by resorting to insults, ad-hominems, & religious attacks (which he literally disavows before 2:00). No Hovind acolyte or moderate will change their mind after watching this; they'll just hear Dave name-calling (and lying about Venter at 56:00) & assume he knew he was wrong. Dave's behavior kneecaps actual, serious defenders of evolution.
I like this quote: "A scientist can read 100's of books on a subject and says "I still don't know it all", but some guy can read part of the bible and know everything about everything."
Yep, the simple situation whereas you learn more you realize what you haven't learned. Just imagine if we stopped progressing past the iron age because no one cared enough to realize that there are better materials than iron. If it were up to Kent we would still be living in grass huts dying of the common cold.
exactly. lol
Except Christians are far more likely to think they know a sufficient amount about a subject they have zero familiarity with than scientists. Just like Hovind. That's what faith does to a rational mind.
@@fenrirhere The Dunning Krueger effect is beautiful
@@nastasedr Watch it. It's a good watch. :)
Kent has rehersed his talking points to such a degree that he is unable to adapt to Dave's points so instead ignores them and repeats himself. It's clear he's operating on a script
Somehow I don’t think Kent is a good judge of what would hold up in court
Best comment
he really went "I'm not aware of any scientific errors in the bible"
"ok, here are some errors"
"well why do you want to talk about the bible"
Obviously it was not the topic on debate, and what he did is a common debate tactic: focus on destroying the other person’s basis, which he successfully poked holes in. Apart from fossils and billions of years which have no present-day observable evidence Dave had nothing to say. I just think these are two entrenched ‘faiths’ or ‘schools of belief’ having a go at it.
@@kwasiosafo that's a really interesting tactic: use phrases that appear very neutral while simultaneously spewing bull shit in support of one position. Very dishonest, if I may say so, myself.
@@kwasiosafo but the bible is his sole piece of evidence, and he was using it at the time to defend his statements. the entire debate went like this;
kent: *lies about observable fact
dave: can i explain to you why that's wrong?
kent: stop changing the subject
understandably, dave got frustrated eventually.
@@kwasiosafo Mate you say that fossils provide no evidence for evolution. Kindly elaborate on that.
hmmm you really look like a rickroll
My favorite moment was
Kent: "There's not a single scientific error in the Bible."
Dave: "Okay, well let me read you a scientific claim made in the Bible..."
Kent: "Whoooa there! We're here to talk about evolution, not the Bible."
It's almost like he was afraid of something 🤔
It is fascinating how at least half the time his response to any criticism ends up with "You think you are related to a watermelon" or whatever because he simply doesn't KNOW anything and his cult can't imagine that maybe scienticians know something Hovind doesn't.
Dave can't even have a civilized conversation I can see the smoke coming out of his ears and I can hear the stress in his voice typical Democrat
@@joshbrz8902Hovind can’t win a straight debate so he uses the most annoying tactics possible to antagonizing a reaction out of Dave because idiots like you can only process the simplest of physical cues, I.e. Ken make opponent mad, Ken winner! Yay Ken yay!
Kent is very very dumb and happy to be so
It’s hard to have a civilised conversation with an idiot suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect. @@joshbrz8902
Kent doesn't know the difference between his arse and his elbow.
During Dave's opening statement i couldnt stop myself from cracking up every time he went back to "some book says a thing" in the exact same tone and cadence😂 master class
Kent - "This old book has very good evidence for creation"
Dave - "Ok let's talk about that book and see whether it's trustworthy"
Kent - "Hey this is a debate about creation vs evolution why are you bringing up that old book"
Fucking genius.
@siavash ghorbani
Ad hominem
@siavash ghorbani that’s what kent did though?
@siavash ghorbani I mean that the comment you insulted had nothing wrong in it, because the comment was making fun of what Kent said in the debate.
@siavash ghorbani oh ok. I was just confused. I didnt know that was how weebs talked, maybe because I spend so much time reading comments from other weebs that it's become normal.
In the movie the green mile
Kent: *immediately calls him a child abuser*
That's rich coming from a religious Preacher.
Yeh classic. Then aligns himself with the church who are the biggest group of child abusers and murderers ever to have lived
Probably calling him that to fuck his reputation, and his credibility
In July of 2021 Kent was arrested for beating his wife back in 2020
"hey kid, god watches all of your movements, and if you do anything wrong you will be sent to a fire pit for all eternity"
*new ability learned: anxiety!*
Kent saying evolution and biology is a religion therefore its not valid while all of his point comes from a RELIGIOUS book
Kent Dunning-Kruger Hovind is his full name 😐
Bingo!
lmao
Damn Dave, most efficient use of 8 minutes in an opening argument I've ever heard. Exactly 480 seconds and completely brutal
Literally game set match. Best part, Kent literally did _exactly_ what Dave said he would do lmao
@@heyitzrare He had him all figured out. Kent had to resort to buffoonery and claims of imminent "whacking's". Pitiful.
@@ngcastronerd4791 Yeah, Kent had no choice there lmao
he already won there tbh
Holy hell, and then the 8 minutes he responded with was pre-destroyed in Dave's opening.
Also, calling Professor Dave on par with child abusers is offensive.
I would love to see a debate between the young earth creationists and the flat earthers. It would be amazing.
the blind leading the blind
The world isn't ready for it.
There has been around 9000 gods Kent doesn’t believe in the other 8999 gods. Dave doesn’t believe in one more!
By the way for anyone curious, the judge rejected his appeal. He’s still a felon who used his church to commit tax fraud
He also abused his multiple ex-wives. Physically and psychologically.
@@frankinher7467 that information is as readily available to you as it is to me. Do the work.
@@frankinher7467 weirdo
@@frankinher7467 I could go into details but its just best to hear from the horses mouth, here is Cindi Lincoln, one of his ex wives, speaking about it
th-cam.com/video/tcQ52eqBtns/w-d-xo.html
@@frankinher7467 lmao he got arrested for it in September!
It's hard to win an argument with a smart person but it is impossible to win and argument with a stupid person
Chess with a pigeon
1) if you argue with an idiot for more than 2 minutes, there are 2 idiots arguing
2) never argue with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level and there he will beat you with experience
@@romanprekop6613 love that first quote haha
@@perfectstormx3107 it is also possible that Kent isn’t actually stupid. he may very well know exactly what he is doing. he may refuse to believe the science, despite knowing there is a possibility the science is correct and that there is no god. even Dave admits to how challenging it was to debate Kent because Kent has decades of experience doing this and quickly moves discussion into the direction he wants (not saying he was successful in all attempts). Kent may simply not want to accept anything besides god, but knows the science well enough to know how to argue against it without making it appear as though he believes the science.
Hovind isn't stupid, just not honest.
One thing I find funny is that I was homeschooled from when I was 5 to when I was 15 without any exposure to religion/other people so when I went to high school for 1 year I believed in god the same way that we on average think of Thor, as a movie character. A joke. Nothing to be taken seriously. That changed in my third quarter of my first year in High School/public school. I was on my local Academic Quiz Bowl team and we were practicing our questions. One of the sets was on biblical events. Of course, I had no knowledge of the bible as obviously it had the same importance for me to read as the Quran or as Egyptian books with Ra the Sun god. So there I was not knowing the stories and one of the questions was on the story of Job or Joeb I don't know and I made some crude dumb joke thinking it was funny. The response to my joke was one of complete and utter anger/competent? I still don't understand how to believe in religion it is beyond me.
Answer: indoctrination from a young age or a gullible personality.
As someone who believes in Þor, I can kinda agree with you.
This guy is an exemplar of the Dunning-Kruger effect in so many different areas of science
I know I'm 1 year late, but when he called you a child abuser for 'teaching lies,' was probably the maddest I've been in my life.
Yes totally mad
boy, must you have a happy life if that's what makes you the most mad.
@@TheMiracleMatter Eh not a sad life but it just really made my blood boil for some reason.
Yeah. That was appallingly ironic.
@@weiwei-uplink I wasn't being sarcastic when I said happy life. I meant to say I experienced and witnessed so much more upsetting things than that during my life.
...And to give the devil his due, Dave also really dropped the gloves quick.
"the bible is never wrong"
"okay, let me tell you about the instances when the bible is wrong"
"no, only I am allowed to talk about the bible"
"so you are allowed to praise the bible but I am not allowed to criticise it"
"exactly correct"
edit: i didn't check this comment for 2 months and now the replies are a shitstorm so enter at your own risk
you can't make this stuff up 🤣🤦♂
pain, agony even
It's really funny that Dave lets Mr. Hovind criticize evolution textbooks but when Dave tries to criticize the Bible Kent says "we're not here to talk about the Bible"
Smh
half the people tht say this dont even read the bible, lol. it says to not eat pork, get christians still do
@@zesu09 actually thats for Hebrews and Muslims as Christianity has different values from the 2 other Abrahamic religions and Modern Christianity is a decendent of just one sect mainly Nicean Christianity, there are others like Arian Christians, Gnostics, Cathars ect that have been in one form or another simply disappeared either violently or peacefully converted, in fact the 1st Christians are likely just hebrews that just believe Jesus is the messiah and still practiced the Hebrew traditions and practices.
Criticising and Interpreting the Bible is literally what Priests and Preachers do.
In fact literal sects form based on certain interpretations.
james is a horrible moderator, he literally just cuts off david so kent doesnt have to answer any of the questions david asked.
Having read that Kent is confirmed to have committed domestic violence by two of his ex-wives, he reminds me of my narcissistic abusive father who's also a "church leader". Imaging trying to reason with them on anything from daily life decisions and preferences, to evidence-based matters that have real world consequences that are measurable and demonstratable. This style of reasoning permeates every aspect of their lives, from the simple things to the big things. I can't even get my father to listen to or consider Harvard/Stanford/Cambridge/Oxford/World Health Organisation medical advice that directly concerns my own life or death without being abused or condescended to. Ironically, the bible refers to these people as the hypocrites and the narcissistic pharisees who God himself hates and is condemning to hell. Having gone through medical school, I have come to realise that the alleviation of most suffering and human misery requires extreme proficiency, competence and extensive training in the sciences at university level as a bare minimum. If you're a christian, you cannot claim to love god and his people when you're ignorant of science because you're gonna be causing a lot of problems and unnecessary suffering through your pride and wilful blindness.
The moderator is playing Angry Birds while hosting this.
Probably, I wouldn't blame him lol
It is a very bad moderator....
It stops him from loosing all his braincells
@@obsidian_oki if they get too loose, they fall out.
Funny shit man, lol
You will never win an argument against a stupid person. We might as well just stop trying.
We should at least keep correcting him in the hopes of preventing more people for falling for his lies
The idea is to convince the misguided away from the stupid.
Two reasons not to stop arguing with stupid people: To guide others away from them and to laugh at their stupidity.
@@RHMR621 I also say this as someone who was very stupid and misinformed as of last year.
@@reaverfang377 What's your story? Saying this out of pure curiosity for the deconversion (Right?) of somebody else.
Change one letter in Kent's name and you'll find an apt description of the bloke
Kent is like if a hamster had a lobotomy
That’s an insult to lobotomized hamsters
"Can you show me examples of scientific errors in the bible?"
"yeah, if you don't mind"
"actually don't do that."
HAHAHAHA! that was the best
Hovind was ready to do just that for one second because his mouth moves before he thinks. He knew he would be on a loser using his "science" book.
@@jamesj2022 what in the world are you talking about? In ALL of that writing you don't actually bring a single point or fact. See, that's the issue. You spout some Bible verse and hate but your words are empty. I don't know why some Christians hate on evolution. There are PLENTY of scientists and intelligent people who believe in God AND evolution. I mean we have human history that goes back more than 5 thousand years so it's pretty absurd to think humans existed before the planet did. Believing in the facts we see in the world around us is not some attack on God. I find it so interesting how people take SOME parts of the Bible SUPER literal but then completely ignore other parts. Dyeteronamy 25:11,12 or how about levitcus 19:19 or leviticus 19:27? Or how about slavery? Do you own slaves? Ephesians 6:5 , leviticus 25:44-46... what about stoning a child to death for not listening? Deuteronomy 21:18-21... do you own more than a single shirt? Luke 3:11 ever made a crude joke? Ephesians 5:4... see I can quote Bible versus too but you'll just ignore those and say how it's not to taken literally or :"Jesus doesn't care about the old laws" ... suuurreee... look, science doesn't care about the Bible and it isn't attacking God. MEN wrote that book and it's been changed A BIT over the years so its certainly not infallible. weather U believe in God or not that should be self evident. Interesting you mention plastics in the water... bring that up in church along with climate change and let me know how it goes for you.
@@trevorduncan9580 you know. Growing up pagan I always heard the retoric of being evil and brainwashing people. Then when I gave up my faith and started looking at the evidence. Turns out I'm still evil and brainwashing people
@@jamesj2022 Biological evolution is just how nature works. If you have a problem with reality, then take it up with the creator you believe in, since he/she/it would be the one responsible for evolution.
Bigotry and racism are not 'evolution things'. The science of genetics/evolutionary biology indicates we are all related.
Racist hate groups like the KKK for example, often use the Christian Bible as justification for their racism.
This is because they are ignorant.
Like you. The good news is, you can always educate yourself. No need to take a trip to the library; you have internet access. Start learning.
You don't even know the definition of biological evolution.
🤣🤣🤣
"You say the bible has errors. I'd like to see some of those errors."
"Alright, let's talk about the errors in the bible"
"We can do that another time."
Yea it's better to talk about that next time.evolution vs creation is important
What's wrong with sticking to thr topic.?
@@mr.liddie9479 the point is that Kent’s only evidence was the Bible, which he asked Dave to disprove, then didn’t allow said requested disproval of his only source.
@@unpopularopinion4638 did we watch the same debate just now, either you don't listen very well, or you already established that Kent had nothing to offer before the debate got on the way....
@@mr.liddie9479 yes, we watched the same debate, but I have no idea what you’re saying, all I’m saying is Kent’s only argument was “the Bible said this” and didn’t allow Dave to point out the many inconsistencies in Kent’s only source of evidence
Everything you saying sounds brilliant, but to a person, myself included, that believes in an intelligent God, we do not all believe that God and science are mutually exclusive, in fact some of us believe that God is the first scientist, mathematician, astrologist, etc. So all of those scientific facts that you're stating God gets the credit for. God is not a magician, he created man and man's intellect. Isaiah 40: 12 states. New International Version
Who has measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, or with the breadth of his hand marked off the heavens? Who has held the dust of the earth in a basket, or weighed the mountains on the scales and the hills in a balance? Bro God is a mathematician, and a scientist, not a magician. Even evolution was God's design.
how to argue like kent:
say "nuh uh"
use ad hominem
“Your grandfather is a rock therefore you are owned”
30 minutes in and I honestly think the Geneva convention would classify this as torture if this were played on a loop to detainees.
Hahahaha
Yup
24:06 this must be an end of a discussion. kent know nothing about biology this is a proof, he knows nothing about what dave asked works. thats it this is a proof that kent is nothing bore but a biggest scumbag.
By 25 minutes i have paused 4 times to take a breath as this is actively killing my braincells.
you can just feel the love in the room
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” - Mark Twain
You have to debate and argue with some people because they're spreading false information and beliefs that are detrimental to society
Those idiots like Kent not just ignore science and logic they even fight against science and logic because science and logic are foes to their medieval religious beliefs. 🤷♂️
The whole drama is that those idiots use technology which could not exist without the science and logic they are fighting against so hard!
What is the role of the moderator in this discussion?
@@Kroll117 well the problem with debate people like Kent is they will never accept they are the losing side then bragging to they follow about how no one able to win the debate again them. This kind of people will never change they mind no matter how many times you debate them, most you can do is hope some of they follow to watch this video and actually know how nonsense Kent is.
Buddies - I like Dave, I think he is a precise and diligent debator and subscribe to his channels BECAUSE he is worth it. However ... a lot of these commentators misses the boat. Dr Kent got it some premises right, although he has some flaws in his "debauchery". Prof Dave has it ALSO wrong, and on several aspects, BUT mostly due to each trying to overshadow the other, INSTEAD of solving the problem, ie State and provide evidence to the hypothesis, then DEBATE with a follow up on the next programme on facts, errors, ommissions. However, I understand his and Dr. Kent's thought process and believe this needs to be a series of discussions as these debates are NOT Solutionary. One debate must be on Chemistry, one on Biology, One on BIOCHEMISTRY, one on Physics evidence, One on ... are you getting the line of thought? I didn't get ANY solutions from this debate, as the REAL analysis wasn't yet discussed. They started, thats the best way to put it. However, reading some of YOUR comments Guys and Dolls ... WOW!!! If you do not get WHAT I'm trying to explain to you, You're able to CONCLUDE some preordained / pre-thought process from basically "non-conclusive evidence" Man... You're just ... Magical?!!! Your bias is NOT palatable.
4 years gone by and this is still the prime showing of brain rot I show my coworkers and students whenever they try to wall an argument. Kent is the perfect example of dishonest representation honed to perfection.
Everyone: "Flat Earthers are the stupidest people on the planet".
Kent: " Hold my beer".
I find them to be extremely interesting because there challenges are hard to defend ..
@@marvinhesler321 But they can be done. And thats always the most important part.
Kent Bovine has been speaking for about 12 seconds and I'm bored already. NEXT!
@@SiegfriedDrachentoeter I wonder if you could move along the micro-macro direction by expanding or shrinking much like walking across a room, how the world would be viewed? It might look like this "realm" we are in - where things are of fixed size - is a bit like a flat plane. And prob between the most micro and most macro, Earth's in the middle. Maybe ancient "flat earth" and "earth's in the center of the universe" was profound wisdom we have lost and was actually completely, totally different than retarded "flat earth" of today - as if it wasn't a sphere. To compare only the outer shell of theories and say they're the same based on only what's observable without taking into account any of the intangibles or invisibles. Isn't that kind of like willful self-delusion?
@@SiegfriedDrachentoeter NO ..in fact no one can still prove true curvature..Period..I have heard all the silly lame arguments but still no clarity
Kent repeatedly calling Dave "son" made me want to scream. He was trying so hard to humiliate and belittle Dave
Classic tactic used by those that are older and by that virtue alone think that they are smarter/better/wiser. My grandpa likes to give a smirk and a chuckle to try and dismiss me when I use logic and reasoning with him. He hates it, but I know what he's doing and I won't let it dissuade me.
It's a fallacy tactic to compensate for not being able to win on facts and valid arguments. Works on gullible followers.
Favorite tactic of cult leaders and other conmen.
would'nt dave being his son prove dave's point? 😂
If you’ve heard some of the “parenting” (abuse) Kent has told stories of in the past, Kent calling Dave “son” is so much worse.
I am only at 16 minutes but already i want to bang my head against my Dawkins collection. What is he talking about? He thinks the bible is a scientific book? And his "jokes" are as lame as a creature that wasnt fast enough for Evolution.
Analogy for evolution: Spanish language has it's roots in Latin. No one just started speaking Spanish in a Latin speaking society.
Kent: You can’t create life from non-living material.
Also Kent: God created Adam from dust.
But the dust was alive , Kent showed me in science class, or a bad dream I had about the world getting dumber
@@qhviananan-laul5159 hahaah i hope this is troll
@@skoulikiagamwtanekrasas why would I be a Troll ? , I like billy goats . Plus it is too difficult sleep under bridges and no room for the entertainment center.
@@qhviananan-laul5159 you are it's difficult sleeping under bridges
@@skoulikiagamwtanekrasas mostly with all the damn goats constantly crossing over .
I should have listened to my mom and went to Troll University.
Got myself a degree in trolling from Troll U. and a trolling job in a tech company trolling, where I would troll you, but no degree you see for me so I have to let the trolling be, I'm tellin' ya G, it's not easy up this tree, for me or the, but sold out cheap, like my name was Lee, now life dips its nutsac top my head, like a bag of tea. Soon a turn for better, strike swift and silently, a pig, chanced on its way home, ham steak, anyone as I end this tome.
It's on a swine I dine, you know the one that went Wheee !
Troll time peace out , didn't need Troll U. Doin' fine with a Troll G.E.D.
~ Q.
Dave saying repeatedly Kent’s only evidence is “some book says so,” only to be followed by Kent quoting multiple passages from the bible was the funniest part of this debate
The most funny part of the debates is James thinking he's a moderator.
@@freddyguy8582agree😂
"You're calling the Bible a Liar"
Kent says you can't create life from nothing, it can't be seen therefore it's not real, then believes an invisible man took nothing and created life as we know it.
That was hard to listen too. Next time can there be a device that shocks Hovind's balls every time he repeats a point or tries to use man made things like boats and bridges to make a point? Cause listening to "did a dog come from an amoeba?" For 40 minutes was insufferable. What fucking debate? It felt like the actual Debate part was about 2 questions only. Also really wanted to watch Dave to go all "Inherit The Wind" on Hovinds ass, I feel cheated that didn't get to happen.
Kent gets in a car in California and drives for 5 minutes: "As you can see I'm clearly still in California the idea that I could drive to New York this just absurd."
Kent begins singing the ABC's: "A, B, let me stop right now because there is no way there is going to be a Z at the end. And they teach this to children in schools?"
@@DrDeathpwnsu they’re brainwashing children!1!1!
Theyir*
@@DrDeathpwnsu Kent walks into a room and sees a cup on the ground, well obviously the cup just appeared there right before he entered the room and was definitely not set down by a dude that had to go do something real quick.
@@Railfan105. I'm flattered. I think you could improve that one though. What you need is a premise with a built-in expectation, then you can circumvent that expectation. Like put something that people know at the front, that way you're not explaining what happened the end, because you need to end to be like a surprise that pops out not one that trails off.
"This is criminal behaviour in my opinion to teach children something that is just a lie." Ah, the irony.
Lol
@@comanche66100 you know.. There was said a lot of things you can look up....?
Most things in the bible are made up? Lol there are tons of things that are not made up thats in it. I dont know if id say most
@BladerNation thats only a few not most... not saying i disagree with you just dont like people who hate on christianty for whatever reason and if you do make sure to say accurate. Alot of things in the bible a actually happened. But prob alot didnt or didnt in a way its taken idk there are therioes on mistranslations of dates or the the idea that god is out side time so a day to him = ? To us arguement. Im more fasinated by the nephilim and the flood. Lol
@BladerNation yea i know this well. I was raised sothern baptist. I just serperate my experience with the religon from researching it and other interesting stuff like science other religons myths phrophecy. Um i dont thinking people should have a problem with the christians who have used this religon to enhance their lives but maybe find problem with god bc he says he is alpha and omega but says most will go to hell and creates us all anyway. If he is all powerful he could have done better? Thats my issue dont take ur anger out on christians but god perhaps idk
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Man. Dave shoots fire. I actually feel bad for hovind and the flat earthers. Kent was absolutely smashed in this debate.
I regret putting this on in the background whilst I was driving. Nearly crashed the car just to stop hearing Kent's idiocy.
He is pretty infuriating
It's mind blowing how Hovind says "your religion of Evolution" as if "religion" is something bad, or as if "making a religion out of a lie" is bad... fuckin' irony is so thick there.
Not sure what hovind could be so frustrated about since evolution isn’t against religion.
So I’ve heard this from other religious people….
I think I’m their heads we believe in science with as equally blind faith as they believe in the Bible. They don’t understand the science, data, and evidence behind what we believe so they are trying to make an argument of “we both have faith based belief.”
Obviously that’s front, but I think that’s what they’re getting at…
@@jamesj2022 Okay.
What specific problems do you have concerning evolutionary biology/modern synthesis? What are you aware of that geneticists and other biologists are not?
What are the professional, working scientists of the world missing? You are aware that evolution is not some 'American atheist' thing, right? See, unlike religion, there are no denominations in science. It's conducted in the same way all over the world, regardless of religious beliefs, culture, language, etc.
Do you know the definition of 'science'? How about scientific theory? Do you know what that means?
@@connorcoultas9629 Yep. Some people are actually incapable of imagining "no religion" so they come up with "Science as a religion".
It probably doesn't help that Scientism was a thing in the XIXth century.
This is why you see Creationism often talking/discussing and quoting Darwin and pointing at errors in The Origins Of Species. They think it's a sacred book of sort that Evolutionnists believe from A to Z so if things are wrong in it, then it's a false religion.
@@LeSarthois Good points. They also project in other ways, like thinking that Darwin was some kind of messianic figure or something.. Weird.
Also, I'm betting that very few creationists know that Darwin thought God created everything; he wrote something to that effect on the last page of 'Origins...'.
Science: We harnessed fire to create glass and metallurgy which eventually lead to the discovery of radio waves and the invention of electronics which eventually lead to the development of smartphones.
Kent: So you're saying smartphones came from fire? Show me a smartphone today that came from fire!
@ANDMA Whatever creationists need it to be as far as any creationist has ever been able to explain it (most often at proverbial gunpoint since they love avoiding ANY kind of explanation on what kinds actually are.)
@@ChildOL It's not the evidence that's the problem. There is just as much evidence supporting evolution as the creation of smartphones. The issue is the conclusion. Apparently you are able to contemplate the individual advancements in independent fields that eventually lead to the development of smartphones. Arguments like "what is the point in an app that makes phone calls if there is no smart device or phone calls?" make no sense. Yet you creationists keep making arguments like that. Another common mistake creationists make is to assume the life on this planet is at an apex. Use your great imagination to imagine a scenario where tiny advancements over long periods of time lead to the development of smartphones. Imagine how those previous advancements are only considered advancements in the context of the smartphone (you wouldn't consider the invention of capacitive touch screens an advancement in the development of shoes, for example). Realize how many other things have changed in the past that had no impact on the phone. Think about how many changes had a negative impact on the advancements. Wrap your mind around the fact that the smartphone is not the end of the line and that technology will continue to advance and, eventually, the smartphone will be viewed as just another step in the advancement toward something else. Now apply that to biology.
@@JeremyWinfreeDev spot on I would never have thought of that but now you said it I clearly understood that and understand Dave's argument a lot better thanks 👍
Brilliant lol
@@ChildOL There is plenty of evidence of a kind changing to another kind over time, regardless of your definition of kind. I don't know what you mean by on its own, but evolution doesn't claim that populations "on their own," so I'm going to ignore that bit.
I not sure Kent even says that directly, because he knows that this is easy to demonstrate. What Kent argues there's no evidence for is is that a kind begetting(a subtle but extremely important different) another kind. Which is true, and if it were evolution wouldn't be. He's banking on this double bind. If an individual can't change a different group, how can a population? He uses this dumb word game to then suggest that populations changing "kinds" is so absurd that evidence is basically irrelevant. He's using the fact that discrete categorizations of individuals into populations over time is impossible. Taxonomy will never ever have clean boundaries, *especially* between individuals. The problem is the names we give "kinds" and the categorizations of those names isn't evolution, populations changing don't care about what we call them. Ring species are a great example, but Kent, of course, will say that they are all still the same "kind." Which will lead the person to either:
A. Ask what a kind is, starting this circle again
B. Or extrapolate the process over a longer period of time, further demonstrating evolution through natural selection. In which case Kent will say that they still never produce a different "kind" again using the word game between populations and individuals. Which will again lead to either A or B.
This is why he brought up individual humans who are sterile. Individuals, not populations. It's a clever tactic because it gets the knowledgeable aggravated and flustered because it's a mind numbing argument yet still makes enough sense to the ignorant.
hovind is horrible, arrogant and willfully dishonest. i don't think he is a faithful man for a second, this is a gig.
The visual of this guy banging spongebob on the head with a toy hammer while going on a nonsensical rant is hilarious
If nobody heard, Kent's lawsuit was laughed out of the court room and dismissed 'with prejudice'
Is that actually true? That is hilarious, I love you for this information right now. XD
I laughed so hard when i heard that. The scammer was scammed by his own son bwahahaha! His son also remade all of kents videos 😂😂😂
@@johnnyapplesmith Some people get away with murder too, does that mean everybody should?
@@johnnyapplesmith random, john apple ive seen ur other comments u seem like an intelligent individual
Saw telltale's video on this. Good stuff lol
Kent: "you say this book has inaccuracies, I'd like you to show me one."
Dave: Tries to bring up a single passage.
Kent: "No, we aren't talking about the bible right now."
Yup, that's Kent Hovind, the great defender of creationism.
Yeah he gets away with that garbage because James coddles and protects him. He's usually a decent moderator but never with this clown
He also has a bridge to sell
Kent tryna dodge it like in the matrix
Creationism in a nutshell.
And the thickass brick wall poorly disguised as a human
You cannot debate with creationists. They, unlike objective debators, are NEVER willing to have their mind changed.
Oh gods just the intro
Dave: observable/testable
Hovind: a book says a thing
The sad thing is that Kent's followers will walk away from this believing he nailed it.
Pretty much. You just have to filter the comments by "newest first" to see the simps simping for Kent.
He did tbh
Ok Kent Hovind.
@@garenmoring8403 Well... Professor Dave certainly didn't.
@@carpeeps1852 lol
It’s infuriating that Kent was constantly using the bible to back his points, however when Dave challenged the bible it was somehow irrelevant to bring up.
Its because the bible is apparently "above all human scrutiny" according to some people.
That is because Kent uses the "one for me, but none for thee" way of arguing, where he brings up a point that is invaluable to the argument, until it's brought up against him, then it's valueless.
My brother used to use the same way to argue with me, and it'd get me in trouble because it'd piss me off and I'd start hitting him (we're far older now and no longer violently resolve things). My brother would use it because he knew it'd piss me off, and that's exactly what Kent is doing: pissing Dave off with blatantly false and circulatory arguments so it doesn't progress or resolve, stalling until the time runs out.
"im allowed to use the bible but you arent!"
Evolution doesn't exist? But all humans evolved from two people with millions of variations. Asians Mexicans, White people etc etc.. So two people who were of one possibly 2 different ethnicities produced all the other ethnicities over time without evolving? How blind can the creationists be?
Edited this post to hopefully be a little clearer.
@@Fairburne69 ah so you are going to disagree with practically every biologist on earth? with what qualifications?
OMG. Last time I listened to a Kent Hovin debate was like a decade ago. He has the same arguments, he clearly doesnt care about the truth. He just didn't evolve XD
Edit: I realise this is 4 years ago, but I bet my arm he's saying the same stuff in 2024.
There is something so deliciously ironic about a christian using 'imagination' as an argument against science lmao 💀💀💀
Professor Dave: "He's gonna say some book said a thing."
Kent Hovind: "Some book said a thing."
Hahahaha.
Yeah and “professor” dave is going to say some book says something else. Books don’t say a thing dumb ass.
Jeremy Cox that better be a joke
@@jeremycox6471
You sir are an example that siblings can't have children without the loss of IQ.
@@jeremycox6471 Science isn't a book, it is a method. My daughter is in university and she spends countless hours in the lab. They are required to learn things for themselves and test the things they learn from books and lectures.
It's incredible how a man with literally only 2 talking points can fill so much air time...
It is so frustrating
Did either of those two arguments get refuted in 1 and a half hours of airtime?
@@RCKola281 _they are non-arguments._ i can see that you are either willfully ignorant or just ignorant or that you just didn't watch the video. he thinks evolution demonstrates that a dog can interbreed with a whale and produce offspring when it doesn't even remotely demonstrate that.
he is charlatan, and if you cannot see that; it's not our problem. learn basic critical thinking to avoid embarrassing yourself in adult conversations.
His followers don’t require proof, they are a CULT. Exactly the same as the present day GOP and tRump cult followers, … to quote Jim Jones “pass the kool-aid please”
@@RCKola281 Yes, definitely.
The fact that Kent said that “whatever that is” about a singularity is terrifying.
I would have told him that perhaps the singularity was the creative act of God that brought the universe into existence, and just watch him melt down
But he has “multiple degrees” and “taught science for 15 years”
Because no one actually knows what a singularity is, it's something that transcends known science, where all measurements meet infinite values. So I'm not sure what you're getting at.
@@notrecyborg5492: "it's something that transcends known science, where all measurements meet infinite values"
Kent: "whatever the singularity is"
You know the definition of it, you just don't know the details. Kent, meanwhile, demonstrated that he came to a debate without even a shred of understanding of his opponents argument, foreshadowing that he's not here to argue but just to yell.
“This is criminal behaviour”
Says the guy that went to prison
16:01 if nothing died until Men arrived, how does the bible explain fossils then?
Yeah bht kent would just say they were made after that
I am not a violent person. However listening to Kent Hovinds nonsense, makes me feel violent
@@comanche66100 lmao! Your “ creator” Yahweh is just a second tier metallurgy god in the Canaanite Pantheon, and didn’t create anything. Only started being worshipped in the late Bronze Age early Iron Age. I don’t hate anything that can’t be proven to exist. Take your misogynistic evil views on the patriarchy and shove them up your ignorant…
@@comanche66100 oh and ps George. I’m married to the most wonderful supportive person, who thinks you’re a bit foolish
@@comanche66100 lmao! What a sad sorry little man you are! None to bright either! I bet youre single! 😂😂😂 the only way you’d have a woman is if you had her as a slave! People like you have no concept of the difference between reality and fantasy.Don’t worry. You’ll have to comfort of your non existent sky daddy to cuddle at night!
@@comanche66100 I’m a woman by the way, not an object. I can tell that you’ve never actually had one before! Enjoy your incel life
@@joeking433 that’s ridiculous. I have a strong moral code which prevents me from harming anyone or anything else. You see, I don’t need god to be good. I can wish for someone to take a long walk off a short plank, without the threat of divine punishment and thought control. It doesn’t mean anything
Dave, I feel your statements about Kent are dishonest and wrong. Comparing him to a used car salesman is insulting; at least with a used car salesman their product has a chance of getting you somewhere.
Kent: But why can't a car turn into an amoeba?
They had us in the first half, not gonna lie
Also while a used car salesman sells proven usable cars, Kent sells a manual that's not even applicable anywhere.
Insults are signs of internal struggles within yourself. You did a terrible job with very lacking info. Opinions are not science so are also a con man in some form or another. You never demolished anything. It was a simple debate, you explained nothing different than anyone else. Nothing special by far....... 😂
@@Crazyape69 1. Nobody asked for your uninteresting input,
2. It's a joke, which doesn't need to be informative or factual, it just needs to be witty,
3. Trying to refute a joke as a serious argument shows nothing but your lack in humor and the bitterness of Kent's audience,
4. Explain how insults are 'internal struggle', and how taking insults from a joke seriously isn't, or did you just make that claim up.
The complete audacity he displays when he calls science a fairy tale, while defending the bible 😂😂
Kent: *asks for evidence*
Dave: *prepares to show the evidence*
Kent: NO
Also Kent, 10 minutes late: I have been asking for the evidence, where is the evidence
Dave: . . . . . . .
Being a somewhat intelligent kid adopted by a vigorously religious Pastoral family this was waaaaaay too close to my weekly "debates" growing up
I'm so sorry to hear that. That must have been tough. I was the one asking questions in Sunday school
Lmao I feel you , mom would force me to go to church and church school. I would constantly debate with her. To the point, she took me to a preist to argue against lmfao
Damn you must have good debating skills, because once I bring up something about god my parents just beat me up 😢
That must been rough...
Just a bit of advice, anyone claiming to be intelligent is never actually intelligent, 10 out of 10 times.
21:12
"this is my evidence"
"your evidence is wrong"
"well the point of this debate is not to disprove my evidence"
Uh? Yes it is? That's literally the entire point of the debate. If you have one piece of evidence, and your evidence is proven incorrect, then you have lost the debate.
And this is when I stopped watching. I wish the rules had been better defined so he couldn't get away with this.
If the point is to weigh the evidence for evolution, then this is in fact not achieved by falsifying some other hypothesis.
@@fissanfjap the point is him trying to show that you can't use bible as an evidence against Evolution and dismiss Kent's proposition.
Then anti-Evolution proposition will be dismiss and make way for pro-Evolution proposition.
You have to falsify other proposition and provide evidence for your proposition to win the debate, you can't just provide evidence for your own proposition and win the debate, you have to do both.
@@fissanfjap Kent was saying evolution is wrong, Dave was saying evolution is correct. That was part of the debate and that's grand. That was debated
Now Kent was saying creation is correct and Dave was saying creation is wrong. This wasn't debated properly as Kent refused to go into his 'evidence' of creation. He was afraid of his evidence being torn apart.
And so he kept throwing irrelevant comparisons at Dave, looping back into statements he said countless times and going to the moderator to change the subject. He literally ducks a question by saying to James 'I think Dave is hogging all the time' just as it was his turn to speak and then changed the topic.
"this is my evidence"
"your evidence is wrong"
"well the point of this debate is not to disprove my evidence"
And this is how he got 10 years in federal prison for fraud :)