Love this discussion! That is why I rejected calvinism once I realized my church was teaching it. It teaches that God's character is not truly loving and I can't for a moment equate that with my Heavenly Daddy and the way He has always treated me. The Bible also says that He does not show favoritism. Blessings to all! Thank you for this great conversation, Melissa and Keith!
No words can describe the wonders you’ve done from my life in the past four months. I was completely depressed and deprived of soul with my fear of the unpardonable sin. You gave me the right research I need to study to figure out the subject and stop being afraid. Thank you. I can’t wait till you hit 1 million subscribers.
Thank you so much for sharing, my friend! You and others like you inspire me...I am grateful for the opportunity to be of service. 🙏💖 Blessings to you and yours!
Spoken like a true wiseperson. To be truly free is to be free of guilt and shame that churches impose upon people. Keep doing what you're doing, sister. God bless!
You guys rock! I had an experience of God's love once when I was evangelical. It lasted for about 3 days. I remember knowing THERE WAS NO WAY that the Love of the Father I was experiencing would send someone to hell. It was that powerful. However, I was not strong enough to break away from the indoctrination at the time. I left christianity about a year later. That was 1987. Fast forward to 2022 and I feel something is wanting to reconstruct in and through me. It's early days but I will see what happens.
I was frustrated and stuck in Theological Spaghetti before I met Melissa. Often, I would overthink some things and "project". Now, not so much--LOL... Melissa's channel helped pave an Express Lane between my Head and my Heart. ~Steven of Montreal
I'm so blessed and thankful to be on this journey with you Steven -- you have also helped and supported me on so many levels this year - from cat videos to advice, to just having someone to bounce ideas off of!
Hey my elder sister, it is a great video as usual!, you always touch me with your pure soul!! ❤❤❤. To be honest with you, i got shocked when you said that you were raised as a Calvinist lol as it is a very strict Christian denomination, in fact you being able to move towards universalism is a miracle!!, considering your religious backround. God electing certain people for salvation from the beginning whereas the rest are doomed to Hell is the most controversial doctrine in Calvanism, it's antithetical to God's just nature, you being able to think through this doctrine is a great feat!!. (Your little brother Juad, with my infinite adoration)❤❤❤🙏
Hey Brother, yes I was raised in Calvinism - got out of there as quickly as I could 😂 Although now I can look back and understand that the doctrine of God's total sovereignty brings comfort to some. That's the great thing about universalism - we get to keep both God's sovereignty and his love (and his wisdom and his goodness and his justice, ect, ect....)
Proverbs 29:11 says fools give full vent to their rage, but the wise bring calm in the end. These people that believe in a vengeful God throwing people in hell to satisfy his rage, their own Bible calls this person a fool. Another good video Melissa. 👍
You just blew my mind, Russ! Thank you so much for sharing this!! WOW YES!! Hell, according to the Augustinian tradition, is God giving full vent to his wrath!
I'm deconstructing in my late 50's and troubled by the scripture that says "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins." Keith alluded to what the 3 types of He'll say about the character & nature of God. My question is what does requiring blood sacrifice & slaughter of either animals in Old Testament or of His son in the New testament in order to forgive sin say about the character & nature of God? He expects us to forgive each other without us demanding someone dies first so why does He? How is that consistent with a benevolent God of unconditional love?
Can you talk about how you find fellowship with these views? How has your belief system impacted your family and friends beyond your immediate household if you would be willing to share. Thank you sister in Christ💜
To be honest, my fellowship with these views have been 100% online!! I have found fellowship here on my channel, with all of you. Thank you so much for being part of that 🤗 I get this question a lot, so maybe I will put some time into figuring out resources for people, and then make a video on it!
Lovely video! I love your spirit and your channel my sister in Christ!!❤💜 Great job. In Judaism from what I have been studying, Gehenom which can be translated to hell, is known as a purifying place for souls. It makes sense how somebody can believe in Christian Universalism and not eternal torment after looking at Judaism which is where the origins of Christianity come from. Jewish people wrote the bible. Eternal torment in Christianity is quite a jump from Judaism's orignal view of the afterlife. Where did this big transition happen? The early origins of Judaism come from the God of Abraham who already had a covenant with His people and His people already had views of the afterlife that were nothing close to eternal torment. Now all of a sudden Jesus and the new testament comes and we see a better covenant with heftier consequences? No way! Not from what I have studied so far at least. I am still learning but I truly hope people start studying and noticing these things instead of being afraid that God will destroy them. It's sad to believe in a God that allows so many to be "decieved" in a pure and honest attempt to find Him and then makes this contingent upon your "eternal salvation". Happy I am starting to study to show myself approved like like the bible says without looking down on others and keeping a humble heart. The questions I have had in my head my whole life about Christianity are answered in Christian Universalism. I thought so many times after looking at verses like 2 Peter 3:9 KJV where it spoke about how the Lord is not slack concerning His plan but is longsuffering toward us not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. I would think how in the world is this verse accomplished with the way things are going and the concept of "most people aren't going to make it"? Then you start trying to explain things like how a fundamentalist would. You say "Well maybe hearing about Jesus ONCE counts" in order to still hold onto Jesus who you know is real but you know it makes no sense how quickly he seems to switch and you know there is still so much to learn and so much that you don't know. Some people just leave Christianity all together because the associations they make of this eternal torment doctrine affect their view of Jesus so badly and it becomes too hard to connect with the eternal living God. If people understood the truth about Jesus's character and the mistranslations of the bible and how that impacted huge concepts about God they would know who the king of kings was and have a better ultimate plan of God.
YES sister! We actually touched on this subject in the interview but I didn't include it here - those who wrote the Bible had no concept of ECT. They believed that most would be reconciled back to God through Gehenna or Gehinnom - a place of purification that lasts at most 12 months, and that the very few who could not be reconciled would be annihilated. Jesus talks about Gehenna, not "hell," so that should tell us something.
@@LoveCoveredLifePodcast yes, exactly! Jesus has to make a BETTER covenant with His death not an even more horrible one where even more are lost. I realize Christianity was never supposed to be the way it is. I realize Judaism didn't involve a lot of evangelism and trying to tell other's of their religion if I am correct unless you were marrying into their family. It seems they had a peace of God solving everything. When the savior of the WORLD who restores all comes into the world and fuflills what we all have been waiting for then this is when evangelism comes into our religion! This is when it is finally alright to tell people the GOOD news. This is just my theory unless God reveals that I am right. It just makes sense to me that confusion would break through disgusting so many from God's true character and love.
About god "annihilate" people i think there is a ontological question ( consciousness can be destroyed ? ) maybe not because ifs the base of all reality , and we're made image of god , we're his breath . anywayes it was a nice conversation . god bless you all guys .
I've just ordered Keith's book because of your interview with him - thanks so much. Could this be a book for next year's book group maybe. Hope all ok with you. Blessings.
Great interview! Free will is not " I have an offer either you sell your house or you are eternally seperated from your family and experience eternal pain!exaggerating, but is that choice, love and freedom?!
Yes, Brother - in fact, that would be considered manipulation, which is the opposite of freedom. And I don't think your example is an exaggeration - love me or burn forever? It's pretty extreme.
Nice interview. I find the God of ECT sort of tragic. It's almost as if he is genuinely all loving and really doesn't want his children in hell but there is this aspect in him called Justice which seems to just not allow him to save everyone. It's like he just can't help himself. I hear this all the time: God is Love, but he is also just... So you are screwed!
They don't understand that God is Love, which INCLUDES justice. They confuse "retribution" with "justice". True justice is a rehabilitated offender. ~S
Our American justice system is all about punishment and takeaway not rehabilitation. So we have to unlearn all that and learn the rehabilitating heart of God.
Great video! I enjoyed the discussion about free will and our misconceptions there. William Lane Craig and others argue that there can be people who reject God, totally grasping they are severing themselves from the life and love they need, simply because they "refuse to bend the knee" (like Satan in Paradise Lost). Do you think God can save even someone this obstinate? Is somebody this obstinate if they don't feel God's presence as much as they want? (Sometimes I feel "on the outs" with God, despite knowing that universalism is the only thing worth hoping for.. and get mad at God for what I feel is playing games, hopefully that isn't a sin)
To be honest Brother, I think it's impossible for us to choose anything other than God. Even the worst among us, those following evil impulses, do what they do because they think in their twisted way that it will bring them peace or satisfaction. That peace and satisfaction they are looking for is God, they are looking for the right thing in a very wrong place. So because of this, we learn through suffering, or karma. We learn what God is by experiencing what he is not. If someone is not "bending the knee" it's because they see God as a tyrant who demands us to bend the knee. They are looking for God, or security, in their own sense of dominance and independence. As this view of God brings suffering, their understanding will shift, until eventually this illusion will fall away.
What a misconception! God is within. I can't conceive of the physical contortions that would be necessary in order to bend the knee. Everybody of any spiritual honesty feels "on the outs" with God at some time or another. No it's not a sin. Blessings.
Why did jesus die? Why repent? Love! The simple answer is always LOVE. This does not occur to those compelled to preach fear, not love. How poor to only know what some are taught to repeat, rather than to consider how great is love and that love is the good news and a prophetic promise. "You shall love...", yes we shall!! How much better to teach 'love'!
Hello! I am new to your channel. Christian Universalism is a new concept to me and although I am not convinced on some things, I enjoy branching out and studying different doctrine. You’ve probably answered this before but what are your thoughts on Matthew 7:21-23?
@@LoveCoveredLifePodcast Sorry Melissa, today I have not problems at all. I guess must be something on my end. So sorry to bother you with this. Thank you for everything you do 😘👍
Parents will not allow their children to run while cars are moving, because they cannot raise the dead. So Don't bring God down to the level of earthly parents. Matthew 7:11 [11]If YOU then, being EVIL, know how to give good gifts to your children, how MUCH MORE will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!
For my thoughts are not your thoughts,neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your way and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isaiah 55:8-9)
The Love of God is more powerful than the Sin of the world.
Love this discussion! That is why I rejected calvinism once I realized my church was teaching it. It teaches that God's character is not truly loving and I can't for a moment equate that with my Heavenly Daddy and the way He has always treated me. The Bible also says that He does not show favoritism. Blessings to all! Thank you for this great conversation, Melissa and Keith!
No words can describe the wonders you’ve done from my life in the past four months. I was completely depressed and deprived of soul with my fear of the unpardonable sin. You gave me the right research I need to study to figure out the subject and stop being afraid. Thank you. I can’t wait till you hit 1 million subscribers.
Thank you so much for sharing, my friend! You and others like you inspire me...I am grateful for the opportunity to be of service. 🙏💖
Blessings to you and yours!
Spoken like a true wiseperson. To be truly free is to be free of guilt and shame that churches impose upon people.
Keep doing what you're doing, sister. God bless!
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God bless the world through His Son Jesus.
You guys rock! I had an experience of God's love once when I was evangelical. It lasted for about 3 days. I remember knowing THERE WAS NO WAY that the Love of the Father I was experiencing would send someone to hell. It was that powerful. However, I was not strong enough to break away from the indoctrination at the time. I left christianity about a year later. That was 1987. Fast forward to 2022 and I feel something is wanting to reconstruct in and through me. It's early days but I will see what happens.
I was frustrated and stuck in Theological Spaghetti before I met Melissa.
Often, I would overthink some things and "project". Now, not so much--LOL...
Melissa's channel helped pave an Express Lane between my Head and my Heart.
~Steven of Montreal
I'm so blessed and thankful to be on this journey with you Steven -- you have also helped and supported me on so many levels this year - from cat videos to advice, to just having someone to bounce ideas off of!
@@LoveCoveredLifePodcast 😻😻😻
The nature of God is to Love. Only True God has Perfect Love.
What a nice interview! I love Keith Giles. I have read all his books and loved them.
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@Colin Murphy
❤, anyway
All will be saved....eventually. Because nothing is impossible with God.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!
😄😄😄🙏🤗👏 Thank you for your constant encouragement, Brother!
If God can't save all, then He failed. But True God can't fail. So all will be saved Eventually.
This is so good - thanks so much . Blessings
Hey Brother! Thank you for watching!
@@LoveCoveredLifePodcast It's great how you are linking with people - I've just watched nissa's new channel and your channel is linked there 🙂
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Hey my elder sister, it is a great video as usual!, you always touch me with your pure soul!! ❤❤❤. To be honest with you, i got shocked when you said that you were raised as a Calvinist lol as it is a very strict Christian denomination, in fact you being able to move towards universalism is a miracle!!, considering your religious backround. God electing certain people for salvation from the beginning whereas the rest are doomed to Hell is the most controversial doctrine in Calvanism, it's antithetical to God's just nature, you being able to think through this doctrine is a great feat!!. (Your little brother Juad, with my infinite adoration)❤❤❤🙏
Hey Brother, yes I was raised in Calvinism - got out of there as quickly as I could 😂 Although now I can look back and understand that the doctrine of God's total sovereignty brings comfort to some. That's the great thing about universalism - we get to keep both God's sovereignty and his love (and his wisdom and his goodness and his justice, ect, ect....)
@@LoveCoveredLifePodcast ❤❤❤👍
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Proverbs 29:11 says fools give full vent to their rage, but the wise bring calm in the end. These people that believe in a vengeful God throwing people in hell to satisfy his rage, their own Bible calls this person a fool. Another good video Melissa. 👍
You just blew my mind, Russ! Thank you so much for sharing this!! WOW YES!! Hell, according to the Augustinian tradition, is God giving full vent to his wrath!
@@LoveCoveredLifePodcast if that's not giving full vent to your wrath, I don't know what it is. Keep the good videos coming ☺️👍
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@@russe130 Not the same...
I'm deconstructing in my late 50's and troubled by the scripture that says "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins." Keith alluded to what the 3 types of He'll say about the character & nature of God. My question is what does requiring blood sacrifice & slaughter of either animals in Old Testament or of His son in the New testament in order to forgive sin say about the character & nature of God? He expects us to forgive each other without us demanding someone dies first so why does He? How is that consistent with a benevolent God of unconditional love?
Can you talk about how you find fellowship with these views? How has your belief system impacted your family and friends beyond your immediate household if you would be willing to share. Thank you sister in Christ💜
To be honest, my fellowship with these views have been 100% online!! I have found fellowship here on my channel, with all of you. Thank you so much for being part of that 🤗 I get this question a lot, so maybe I will put some time into figuring out resources for people, and then make a video on it!
Lovely video! I love your spirit and your channel my sister in Christ!!❤💜 Great job. In Judaism from what I have been studying, Gehenom which can be translated to hell, is known as a purifying place for souls. It makes sense how somebody can believe in Christian Universalism and not eternal torment after looking at Judaism which is where the origins of Christianity come from.
Jewish people wrote the bible. Eternal torment in Christianity is quite a jump from Judaism's orignal view of the afterlife. Where did this big transition happen? The early origins of Judaism come from the God of Abraham who already had a covenant with His people and His people already had views of the afterlife that were nothing close to eternal torment.
Now all of a sudden Jesus and the new testament comes and we see a better covenant with heftier consequences? No way! Not from what I have studied so far at least. I am still learning but I truly hope people start studying and noticing these things instead of being afraid that God will destroy them. It's sad to believe in a God that allows so many to be "decieved" in a pure and honest attempt to find Him and then makes this contingent upon your "eternal salvation".
Happy I am starting to study to show myself approved like like the bible says without looking down on others and keeping a humble heart. The questions I have had in my head my whole life about Christianity are answered in Christian Universalism. I thought so many times after looking at verses like 2 Peter 3:9 KJV where it spoke about how the Lord is not slack concerning His plan but is longsuffering toward us not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. I would think how in the world is this verse accomplished with the way things are going and the concept of "most people aren't going to make it"?
Then you start trying to explain things like how a fundamentalist would. You say "Well maybe hearing about Jesus ONCE counts" in order to still hold onto Jesus who you know is real but you know it makes no sense how quickly he seems to switch and you know there is still so much to learn and so much that you don't know. Some people just leave Christianity all together because the associations they make of this eternal torment doctrine affect their view of Jesus so badly and it becomes too hard to connect with the eternal living God. If people understood the truth about Jesus's character and the mistranslations of the bible and how that impacted huge concepts about God they would know who the king of kings was and have a better ultimate plan of God.
YES sister! We actually touched on this subject in the interview but I didn't include it here - those who wrote the Bible had no concept of ECT. They believed that most would be reconciled back to God through Gehenna or Gehinnom - a place of purification that lasts at most 12 months, and that the very few who could not be reconciled would be annihilated. Jesus talks about Gehenna, not "hell," so that should tell us something.
@@LoveCoveredLifePodcast yes, exactly! Jesus has to make a BETTER covenant with His death not an even more horrible one where even more are lost. I realize Christianity was never supposed to be the way it is. I realize Judaism didn't involve a lot of evangelism and trying to tell other's of their religion if I am correct unless you were marrying into their family. It seems they had a peace of God solving everything. When the savior of the WORLD who restores all comes into the world and fuflills what we all have been waiting for then this is when evangelism comes into our religion! This is when it is finally alright to tell people the GOOD news. This is just my theory unless God reveals that I am right. It just makes sense to me that confusion would break through disgusting so many from God's true character and love.
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About god "annihilate" people i think there is a ontological question ( consciousness can be destroyed ? ) maybe not because ifs the base of all reality , and we're made image of god , we're his breath . anywayes it was a nice conversation . god bless you all guys .
I've just ordered Keith's book because of your interview with him - thanks so much. Could this be a book for next year's book group maybe. Hope all ok with you. Blessings.
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Great interview! Free will is not " I have an offer either you sell your house or you are eternally seperated from your family and experience eternal pain!exaggerating, but is that choice, love and freedom?!
Yes, Brother - in fact, that would be considered manipulation, which is the opposite of freedom. And I don't think your example is an exaggeration - love me or burn forever? It's pretty extreme.
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Nice interview. I find the God of ECT sort of tragic. It's almost as if he is genuinely all loving and really doesn't want his children in hell but there is this aspect in him called Justice which seems to just not allow him to save everyone. It's like he just can't help himself. I hear this all the time: God is Love, but he is also just... So you are screwed!
They don't understand that God is Love, which INCLUDES justice.
They confuse "retribution" with "justice". True justice is a rehabilitated offender. ~S
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Our American justice system is all about punishment and takeaway not rehabilitation. So we have to unlearn all that and learn the rehabilitating heart of God.
@@bw2442
Precisely! That''s what I'm trying to get Colin Murphy to understand.
Great video! I enjoyed the discussion about free will and our misconceptions there. William Lane Craig and others argue that there can be people who reject God, totally grasping they are severing themselves from the life and love they need, simply because they "refuse to bend the knee" (like Satan in Paradise Lost). Do you think God can save even someone this obstinate? Is somebody this obstinate if they don't feel God's presence as much as they want? (Sometimes I feel "on the outs" with God, despite knowing that universalism is the only thing worth hoping for.. and get mad at God for what I feel is playing games, hopefully that isn't a sin)
To be honest Brother, I think it's impossible for us to choose anything other than God. Even the worst among us, those following evil impulses, do what they do because they think in their twisted way that it will bring them peace or satisfaction. That peace and satisfaction they are looking for is God, they are looking for the right thing in a very wrong place. So because of this, we learn through suffering, or karma. We learn what God is by experiencing what he is not. If someone is not "bending the knee" it's because they see God as a tyrant who demands us to bend the knee. They are looking for God, or security, in their own sense of dominance and independence. As this view of God brings suffering, their understanding will shift, until eventually this illusion will fall away.
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What a misconception! God is within. I can't conceive of the physical contortions that would be necessary in order to bend the knee. Everybody of any spiritual honesty feels "on the outs" with God at some time or another. No it's not a sin. Blessings.
Why did jesus die?
Why repent?
Love!
The simple answer is always LOVE.
This does not occur to those compelled to preach fear, not love.
How poor to only know what some are taught to repeat, rather than to consider how great is love and that love is the good news and a prophetic promise. "You shall love...", yes we shall!!
How much better to teach 'love'!
I was confused and didn’t know how to find God.
Hello! I am new to your channel. Christian Universalism is a new concept to me and although I am not convinced on some things, I enjoy branching out and studying different doctrine.
You’ve probably answered this before but what are your thoughts on Matthew 7:21-23?
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Melissa, do you have any books?
Hi Melissa,
There is a problem with the audio of the interview. It is completely off
Hey thank you for letting me know! Can I ask what the issue is? Low volume or off sync with the video?
@@LoveCoveredLifePodcast When you are talking there is not problem, as soon as the interview started... No sound at all.
@@LoveCoveredLifePodcast Sorry Melissa, today I have not problems at all. I guess must be something on my end.
So sorry to bother you with this.
Thank you for everything you do 😘👍
@@augustosantiago6769 Oh good! I'm glad it's working! You're not bothering me at all.
@@LoveCoveredLifePodcast 😻😻😻
First ;)
You're awesome!! 😄🙏 Thank you for watching!
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Parents will not allow their children to run while cars are moving, because they cannot raise the dead. So Don't bring God down to the level of earthly parents. Matthew 7:11
[11]If YOU then, being EVIL, know how to give good gifts to your children, how MUCH MORE will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!
For my thoughts are not your thoughts,neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your way and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isaiah 55:8-9)
Hi Melissa...I Know you're married and all that..but I'm attracted to your beauty and to your Innocence...
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Chill
“Free will” is an allusion! Tell a poor child in a third world country they have really free will?