I’m 66 and have been cycling constantly for the past 8 years as I don’t own a car and buses where I Iive are very few and far between . So all my shopping ,carrying a backpack with up to 35lbs of shopping in it, appointments and getting out are done on my hybrid Norco bike . This past year my back and hip have been bad and for the past 4 months I’ve only been managing to get out 2 times a week. I’d love an e-bike ,but on a simple state pension it’s going to take a bit of saving .E- bikes are not cheating , having one for me would keep me being able to be independent and get around ,they are great for those of us that are losing the ability to ride a normal bike . No I don’t want a motorbike ,I want to continue cycling as long as I can.
I'm 69 and after I came back from riding the Carreterra Austral I bought a TSDZ2 motor for 320€ and fitted it to my bike so that i can continue to include cycling in my lifestyle. Up and down using meat power was ok in Chile, but here at home my shopping trip involves a 500 metre climb over 10km, so I reckon it's not "cheating". If I go off to do another road trip I will probably take the motor off, though.
I now do regular 100k rides on hills using my own legs and a CAAD12. That's my buzz to be able to do that. If I see an E-bike rider, I think 'excellent, somebody is getting the most out of life by getting out on a bike' Nothing more to it. Do what you do and enjoy it.
I'm 75 and ride 3 times a week and have been riding serious miles since I was 40 (even racing for a cat team back then). I was one of the skeptics when e-bikes first came along but now, I'm thinking of getting one. Thanks for this inspirational video.
I used to commute between Cardiff and Bridgend on a Cube ebike with a Bosch 500 system. Had to recharge in work. Even with minimum help it could only manage 65km with 800m of climb. (22miles/36km each way). Constant speed about 25kph was normal. The climbs ate the battery. Really pleased these road ebikes are doing so much better.
Great vid and very relevant for a lot of us. Thanks. I love my Ribble SLe with the same motor/battery setup. I can’t ride as far as you but can empty my main battery within 100km no prob as I need the orange and even red on the steep hills. Fab system though as it opens up the option of longer rides to riders like me that otherwise couldn’t do em. And it’s def NOT cheating… you should see my avg HR. 🥵😂
I don,t agree with statement of cheating I had a blood clot in my left lung about 10 years which has cut my distance down. However it hasn't stopped me riding my bikes, a ebike would enable me to ride further again and make me feel confident in my abilities. I would love to own one.
I have the exact same Bike for about 3weeks now. This is a Game Changer. I have ridden many Bikes during my lifetime. At my Age this is definatly the Way to GO!!
E bikes are only cheating if you're racing. Otherwise they're blooming great. I don't have one myself, but having ridden a Vitus E-Sommit round some trails, I fell in love with it. I'll definitely switch to e-bikes when I start to slow down.
@@GardenHard2012 I did think about that after posting, and I'd say no. I can see a time when we have ebike racing, which I think would be exciting. Having to decide when and how to deploy power on steep climbs would make for great watching.
@@rob-c. Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant. The road version rather than mtb. If that was anything to go by though, the future is bright for bike racing.
A very interesting look at e-bike range. 300k is a long ride but the ability to just up the power to give yourself a break was a great idea. I couldn't even do 300k in a car without getting tired so hats off to you.
With the ebikemotion system you can configure the motor to switch on or off according to heart rate threshold instead of target speed so which was used here because if overall heart rate was managed the motor wouldn't be used as often which would increase range. Was looking at X35 options last year, on an Orbea, Bianchi and Ribble and with one booster they were giving ranges of ~140 km and to get anywhere near ~250 km you'd need two external batteries.
My record with the Cannondale Synapse 2 from 2019 was 408km with a single charge, luggage rack and 2 full loaded saddlebags (tent, sleeping bag, and all the stuff u need) on a long bike trip
For the over 50ish year old trying to exercise under lactate threshold and or MAF training for longevity , the E road bike concept is great for doing this training at a faster clip and keeping thresholds below on hills etc. using a turbo Levo on local mtn bike trials personally hauling ass and keeping my HR under 119 beats per minute is a blast and not over training the ticker is working great for me on base days. Serious niche for these e-bikes. Looking to getting one of these soon for faster road work base riding.
The summary at the end was the best part, where you note how much power and energy you expended and how much the battery/motor helped vs. you riding your normal bike.
That ride was so relaxing and enjoyable to view. E-bikes are great, I'm relearning how to walk again from fractures and e-bikes help a lot and keep it enjoyable with pedal assist. Well done!
You caught my attention because you are riding a Cannondale with a Bosch. I have a friend who is looking at an electric bike. I spotted a Cannondale at a somewhat local retailer (MEC.ca) with a Bosch middrive and with a range claim of 240km and a front derailleur. With an extender battery, the skies the limit. I don't think electric bikes are cheating as I meet a women on this beautiful rail trail on Vancouver Island and she justified her use of an an electric bike because without it she wouldn't have been there. Her reasoning was good enough for me. When I get old I will consider it. I think the electric bikes with thumb throttles are dangerous but those that use a torsion sensor are fine.
What I like about eBikes is allowing older folks maybe with dodgy joints the opportunity to keep riding longer distances and to not fear hills or strong headwinds in group rides. At lowest power settings that 50 watts or so is a benefit at the margins that can make the difference between having fun and a tough slog. For me I am riding longer distances, for the most rides are 50% longer than what I did in younger days and at higher speeds 27 to 33 kmph versus 22-25, mostly at the lowest 50 watt setting. Way more fun than I've had in years on a bike. You don’t need an expensive bike either - a 250 watt hub motor conversion kit and 200 watt hour battery can be had for 500 or so. Just convert your old bike.
Very interesting video, thanks. Not sure I'd go for such a long ride but what's great about Road eBikes (I got a wheel with a hub motor for my wife) is that it gives you peace of mind that you can handle tough climbs if need be and/or rest and coast at 25 if you need to.
I have a hybrid ebike and love it but its very heavy. I would love to be able to afford an electric ebike like yours as it would open a lot more countryside for me. As for cheating, well I am 60 and have an arthritic left knee. The ebike has opened up the cycling world to me again. I think they are one of the best inventions of late and if they get all kinds of people cycling again that is brillant. Thanks for video.
Bit made me laugh, takes pressure off your legs, so you feel other bits of your body giving up. Got respect for Cannondale, "how far will it go?" Ans"range is longer than most of us haha". (But not to be rude, and take away from the fact, 300kms and all them hours is some serious going!)
I have a Trek e road bike and regularly do 25 miles (40k) using 20% battery or less, on that my domane + could take me a good 200 km easily. My bike is heavier than a muscle bike but the drive system is so good you only need leg power on all but the steepest longest hills. Highly recommended if you can afford one!
You can with a range extender at £550! I have the same bike and I can comfortably get 100km without one and I’m a rubbish cyclist. For the odd occasion I plan to go further I’d love an extender but not good value. I wonder why retailers don’t offer a rental scheme for the extender.. I have a tour planned and would love to have one for a week, 90% of the time it would sit in the cupboard. You should tag this ride as a Cannondale E bike ride. There are limited videos with it and it’s an injustice, it’s a great bike. Thank you.
Anyone on any type of bike is a good thing in my opinion. Anything is better that taking 2 tons of metal and a 3 piece suite with you every time you need to go to the corner shop to pick up some essentials. it’s horses for courses! I own both types of bike.
I have no expectations of ever racing so I see no issue with a ebike other than the cost. But I have to say I am tempted to get one. The base Orbea gain is VERY tempting. Probably be 2023 by the time I could get one. But that’s a lot of time to save up the $
I was one of the first people to ride an ebike in a long-distance Audax event (the first Mile Failte 8 years ago) I was a lot heavier and less fit, and it was a lot hillier, so I could only manage 100k or so on a similar battery capacity and had a stop twice during the day to recharge. Nor did it help that I'd finished building the bike only a few days before, and it was only my second such ride that required night navigation (I got lost the first time too). But I did it. When calculating range for such events it's better to think in terms of feet climbed rather than miles ridden. Say your ebike weighs 5kg more than an unassisted setup: you would you would need to use one watt hour of battery capacity for every 100 feet of climbing just to break even. So, climbing say 10000 feet in 300k and using 500 watt hours of battery is much like riding without 25kg of baggage. I't still work, but the help comes when you need it most.
i love the idea of a road e bike. Especially if you just like riding but aren't into racing. Or live an a very hilly area. I might look at getting one once my knees give out
For the same effort you simply go further which means you can see more of your local area. In my local forest I get to do 3 downhill trips for every one on a normal bike so they’re more fun too.
As is mentioned at the end of this, ~80% of drag comes from the rider. That in mind, saving probably 0.002% by having a profiled seat-post rather than a good old 27.2 mm alu post is nothing but stupid, considering the wealth of things you can no longer clamp on it. T'other thing that annoys me, not just with this bike but with virtually every eBike, is that the manufacturers feel free to take over one of your bottle cages. When I was doing Audax, and even now that I'm not, I liked to ride with plain water up front and sports drink in the back bottle. Not that I've motorized one of my bikes, a 4-hour stint at 30°C in summer without that back bottle is begging for cramp.
it is a bit of a pain that to extend the range you need to reduce the water carrying capacity, yeah. most of the time you probably won't need the second battery on a bike like this though
@@roadcc That's fine if you can push the bugger over 25 kph half the time and save juice, but folk my age (75) will probably not be able to. That extra bottle is going to be cruelly missed.
We purchased this Vivi 27.5” electric bike and a Tentaquil 26” electric bike for our 13 and 14 year olds. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxUiL0GnyDjP32RJdd660sP8mZk4CRLTCJ The Vivi was much easier to put together. With the Vivi, there was a video link to assist with assembly which made the process easier to follow (we did put the handlebars on upside down, but it was a quick and easy fix). With the Tentaquil, the assembly was not as simple to follow, but after we messaged the company for an assembly video, it was easier and they did respond quickly. The other major differences were that the Vivi has a grip throttle on the right handle (like a motorcycle) and the Tentaquil has a push throttle that you use your thumb to activate. The monitors were also different, so if you’re looking for something specific in terms of changing the bikes functions, pay attention to what the monitor offers. We were really impressed with the overall quality and functionality of both bikes, but if you’re looking for more power and an easier assembly, definitely go with the Vivi!
The "range anxiety" is the same issue with a car. Really a non-issue, like the pickup truck a guy buys so he can haul 4 X 8 sheets of plywood - once or twice a year while the rest of the time he's driving around with just a tool box in the back. My wife has a couple of MAHLE X35 bikes and charges 'em up once a week or so. A couple of fun hours on the bike every day is fine, who cares how far the thing might go on a single charge unless cross-country rides are a regular thing?
@@justinbouchard my soul is destroyed after 4 or 5 hours of Road riding, like watching paint dry. Must have to be totally switched off to be at it all day.
@@rotojo2 Just mountain bike for 2 hrs, same workout as 6 hrs on the road, 100% countryside and zero risk of getting run over by some lip filler pumped orange bird in a fiat 500 👍🏿
The battery is rated for 500 full charge cycles and after one season of ownership and 4000km I would say that I am under 30 cycles. Partial charges don't count as a cycle so if you charge at 75% consistently, it would take 3 charges to equal one cycle. Unless you plan to keep the bike for 10 years plus or do tens of thousands of kms per year, I think the battery will last longer than you plan to keep it.
Great video, you mention in the video that you changed the wheels from the stock ones. What did you go for and where did you get them? I’m looking to up grade the ones on my wilier HY but local bike shops don’t seem to be able to help. Thanks Andy
I have a Cento10Hybrid and I had a local shop custom build it. The trick is to find a carbon rim with 32 holes for the rear motor to lace up to. I used ones from Light Bicycle in 38mm depth size which is the max I would go for the lacing to work. The front wheel could be whatever spoke count you like, 24h or 28h would be fine. The model I went with is the WR38 which is also a super wide rim at 25mm and makes a 28mm tires measure out to 30mm for a super comfy ride at low PSI
Hmm, I can’t really relate. In the u.s. the limit is 28mph, so what, 45kph? Anyway, I usually cruise at 20mph, about 35kph. At that speed I’m using quite a bit of battery, usually. So if I want to conserve battery I go much slower. On your bike, going fast uses no battery, but you must get tired trying to not engage your battery, yes?
Did I understood it right that the motor was off when ur speed is above 25kmh? Then no wonder the battery lasted so long, probably it was used only in hills, no flats or down.
Can I ask what percentage you had Eco set at in the app? I just got 85km on 50% charge & I have turned Eco down to 55%. I definitely could if got more miles, but I used Amber to get me up 5-6 steep hills on route
@Wooly Chewbakker your missing the point I mean triathlon clip on aero bars no aero drop bars. I don't care about your video. Think triathlon setup, I know it's more aerodynamic and rider drag causes most watts lost. th-cam.com/video/hd0fXhDkH84/w-d-xo.html
Such a refreshing change to other channels, where you're assaulted by a shouting, gurning idiot who's more interested in his ego than actually imparting information.
It's "km". k alone means just "one thousand". It's not the Imperial System anymore, but the Brits didn't learn the new System yet. And it's "millimeter", not "mil".
Great video thanks. How many Nm is that motor? Is it powerful enough? How does it compare with Bosch Gen4 and Specialized TURBO CREO SL? Let us know if you can please
it's rated at 40Nm. it's not as powerful as even the lowest spec bosch motors (active line), and a bit less powerful than the SL1.1 motor in the turbo creo
@@DaveAtkinson but the bike is half the weight of the EMTB . I’ve done 160 k on mine with 40% battery left. It’s all about elevation really - rolling along at 25- 30 k it’s not used - happy days
so the energy provided by the battery outweighs the extra effort required to shift its weight with your muscles ? is there a point where the battery becomes so heavy that theres no benefit to pedal anymore ? also if PAS was active all the time ( under 15.5 mph ) how far would the battery last ? I can imagine in the future the battery could super charge most of it in less than 1 hour and cyclists would travel double their normal speed for the same effort, but for some reason the government focuses on electric car technology instead.
how long the battery would last would depend on how hard the motor system is working, what mode you're in, what the terrain's like, what the weather's like... there are a lot of variables! but overall the battery is a benefit, yes
Thank you for the range test. A 25km/h assist threshold is a joke. I understand 45km/h max. assist (still a bit insufficient in some cases), but 25km/h… Disgusting.
Could anyone explain to me why he says being on the large frame means that he was in more of an aggressive position where as if he was on a extra large frame it would have been a more relaxed and endurance geometry position?
A smaller frame has a shorter head tube and is therefore lower at the front (than in this case the XL). You can then pair this with a longer stem to stretch out forwards, into a lower and more ‘aggressive’ position. An XL frame would therefore have a longer head tube (and shorter stem), putting you in a more upright, relaxed position.
Another Brit that has not yet understood how the SI works: "300 k" doesn't mean anything. it's 300 kilometres. Maybe is better for you to come back to feet, inches, knee, elbows and fingernails
They appear to be going back to hub motors due to the chain alignment problems with standard two by systems. Many of the mid drives have a wider bottom bracket, focus redesigned a rear hub with DT swiss to fit the mid drive and maintain alignment, but then makes it proprietary.
I think if legislation lifted the speed limit on e-bikes to 30 kmph, they would be flying off the shelves like hot cakes. Amator cyclists would have a normal road bike and an e-bike in their sheds.
Wot fackin battery he using ffs what motor ya using ....double battery 2h run time depending on the motor current draw and shit I hate them bikes stupid racers lmfao they only got a 62mile range so that extra battery doin 138mile doubt that 😜 he reckons the standard battery done 100miles and only half empty mmmmmm then Agen it is pedal assistance lol
This is pure misinformation! You cannot do 300km with one charge of such a rather small battery. The only way is to have it at such a low level that litterally do not feel any help at all especially in the uphills. Ebiking means that you cycle without standing up, without seawting at at all or feel tired. That was not e-biking!
Not sure I understand you. Were you watching the same video as me? He clearly stated that he would need, and then used two batteries to complete the distance. Also I don't recognise your definition of "e-biking". Riding an electrically assisted ebike is by definition e-biking no matter if you're sweating, standing on the peddles or doing crazy jumps. May be you're being ironic? Sorry if I missed that..
@@timcorso6337 How else can I say it? There is no ebike on the world that does 300km with just a two full charge butteries. It is even worse when the bike of the video has such a small (capacity-wise) batteries. Even with 4 batteries you cannot do 300km! (unless you are 50kg and give the lowest e-assistance which is useless).
@Wooly Chewbakker Thank you for the response. We need to agree first that there is not only one ebiking. Normally the ebiking should assist you in achieving speed always >25km/h with the minimum effort (no standing-up cycling in the hills, no effort, no tiredness, etc.). I did not see this in the video. I have an ebike with 840Wh and it barely does 30km. How on earth you can do 300km with these two much smaller batteries. It is practically impossible unless your muscles undertake most of the work but this is not ebiking.
@Wooly Chewbakker These are not ebikes and the settings that you have described are a joke. This is not the purpose of an ebike! This is why the number that you and the video creator do not make any sense at all and certainly is misinformation to the readers. It is as if you have bought a Ferrari and you drive it at 50km/h and then make a statement about its amazing fuel consumption and how far you can go with one tank.
I’m 66 and have been cycling constantly for the past 8 years as I don’t own a car and buses where I Iive are very few and far between . So all my shopping ,carrying a backpack with up to 35lbs of shopping in it, appointments and getting out are done on my hybrid Norco bike . This past year my back and hip have been bad and for the past 4 months I’ve only been managing to get out 2 times a week. I’d love an e-bike ,but on a simple state pension it’s going to take a bit of saving .E- bikes are not cheating , having one for me would keep me being able to be independent and get around ,they are great for those of us that are losing the ability to ride a normal bike . No I don’t want a motorbike ,I want to continue cycling as long as I can.
I'm 69 and after I came back from riding the Carreterra Austral I bought a TSDZ2 motor for 320€ and fitted it to my bike so that i can continue to include cycling in my lifestyle. Up and down using meat power was ok in Chile, but here at home my shopping trip involves a 500 metre climb over 10km, so I reckon it's not "cheating". If I go off to do another road trip I will probably take the motor off, though.
The motor industry will put paid to your plans. You can have a car that'll do 200mph but not a bike that will do 20.😢
I now do regular 100k rides on hills using my own legs and a CAAD12. That's my buzz to be able to do that. If I see an E-bike rider, I think 'excellent, somebody is getting the most out of life by getting out on a bike' Nothing more to it. Do what you do and enjoy it.
Well said, exactly the way ahead.
I wish you back up to full health mate. Cool AF. 👍
I'm 75 and ride 3 times a week and have been riding serious miles since I was 40 (even racing for a cat team back then). I was one of the skeptics when e-bikes first came along but now, I'm thinking of getting one. Thanks for this inspirational video.
You will never Look Back, I'm 70 & Raced for over 20 yrs. Cheers
I used to commute between Cardiff and Bridgend on a Cube ebike with a Bosch 500 system. Had to recharge in work. Even with minimum help it could only manage 65km with 800m of climb. (22miles/36km each way). Constant speed about 25kph was normal. The climbs ate the battery.
Really pleased these road ebikes are doing so much better.
Great vid and very relevant for a lot of us. Thanks. I love my Ribble SLe with the same motor/battery setup. I can’t ride as far as you but can empty my main battery within 100km no prob as I need the orange and even red on the steep hills. Fab system though as it opens up the option of longer rides to riders like me that otherwise couldn’t do em. And it’s def NOT cheating… you should see my avg HR. 🥵😂
I don,t agree with statement of cheating I had a blood clot in my left lung about 10 years which has cut my distance down. However it hasn't stopped me riding my bikes, a ebike would enable me to ride further again and make me feel confident in my abilities. I would love to own one.
I have the exact same Bike for about 3weeks now. This is a Game Changer. I have ridden many Bikes during my lifetime. At my Age this is definatly the Way to GO!!
Fantastic. Anything to promote people getting out there and enjoying a ride. Thanks. Very useful.
E bikes are only cheating if you're racing. Otherwise they're blooming great. I don't have one myself, but having ridden a Vitus E-Sommit round some trails, I fell in love with it. I'll definitely switch to e-bikes when I start to slow down.
Is it really cheating if everyone has one?
@@GardenHard2012 I did think about that after posting, and I'd say no. I can see a time when we have ebike racing, which I think would be exciting. Having to decide when and how to deploy power on steep climbs would make for great watching.
@@jonburnell532 UCI already has an ebike world champs (won last last by Tom Pidcock), so it will transfer to road pretty soon I’d have thought.
@@rob-c. Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant. The road version rather than mtb. If that was anything to go by though, the future is bright for bike racing.
@@GardenHard2012 They should be in their own division.
A very interesting look at e-bike range. 300k is a long ride but the ability to just up the power to give yourself a break was a great idea. I couldn't even do 300k in a car without getting tired so hats off to you.
With the ebikemotion system you can configure the motor to switch on or off according to heart rate threshold instead of target speed so which was used here because if overall heart rate was managed the motor wouldn't be used as often which would increase range. Was looking at X35 options last year, on an Orbea, Bianchi and Ribble and with one booster they were giving ranges of ~140 km and to get anywhere near ~250 km you'd need two external batteries.
I am not really into cycling but I applaud your achievement, I couldn't drive that time and look as fresh as you did.
The shot with the cider - words can't express it! 😂
My record with the Cannondale Synapse 2 from 2019 was 408km with a single charge, luggage rack and 2 full loaded saddlebags (tent, sleeping bag, and all the stuff u need) on a long bike trip
For the over 50ish year old trying to exercise under lactate threshold and or MAF training for longevity , the E road bike concept is great for doing this training at a faster clip and keeping thresholds below on hills etc. using a turbo Levo on local mtn bike trials personally hauling ass and keeping my HR under 119 beats per minute is a blast and not over training the ticker is working great for me on base days. Serious niche for these e-bikes. Looking to getting one of these soon for faster road work base riding.
The summary at the end was the best part, where you note how much power and energy you expended and how much the battery/motor helped vs. you riding your normal bike.
That ride was so relaxing and enjoyable to view. E-bikes are great, I'm relearning how to walk again from fractures and e-bikes help a lot and keep it enjoyable with pedal assist. Well done!
nice one! glad you're enjoying them. e-bikes have many uses. riding across the country probably an edge case :-)
You caught my attention because you are riding a Cannondale with a Bosch. I have a friend who is looking at an electric bike. I spotted a Cannondale at a somewhat local retailer (MEC.ca) with a Bosch middrive and with a range claim of 240km and a front derailleur. With an extender battery, the skies the limit. I don't think electric bikes are cheating as I meet a women on this beautiful rail trail on Vancouver Island and she justified her use of an an electric bike because without it she wouldn't have been there. Her reasoning was good enough for me. When I get old I will consider it. I think the electric bikes with thumb throttles are dangerous but those that use a torsion sensor are fine.
A Bosch??? Is't it a Mahle? X35.
Great video that really shows the benefit of having an ebike. Thank you.
What helpful video for someone really looking to invest in this bike.
What I like about eBikes is allowing older folks maybe with dodgy joints the opportunity to keep riding longer distances and to not fear hills or strong headwinds in group rides. At lowest power settings that 50 watts or so is a benefit at the margins that can make the difference between having fun and a tough slog. For me I am riding longer distances, for the most rides are 50% longer than what I did in younger days and at higher speeds 27 to 33 kmph versus 22-25, mostly at the lowest 50 watt setting. Way more fun than I've had in years on a bike. You don’t need an expensive bike either - a 250 watt hub motor conversion kit and 200 watt hour battery can be had for 500 or so. Just convert your old bike.
300km in a day , incredible, thanks. I’d love one , I’m saving up atm . Topstone lefty neo carbon , 5.6k .
Very interesting video, thanks. Not sure I'd go for such a long ride but what's great about Road eBikes (I got a wheel with a hub motor for my wife) is that it gives you peace of mind that you can handle tough climbs if need be and/or rest and coast at 25 if you need to.
I have a hybrid ebike and love it but its very heavy. I would love to be able to afford an electric ebike like yours as it would open a lot more countryside for me. As for cheating, well I am 60 and have an arthritic left knee. The ebike has opened up the cycling world to me again. I think they are one of the best inventions of late and if they get all kinds of people cycling again that is brillant. Thanks for video.
Bit made me laugh, takes pressure off your legs, so you feel other bits of your body giving up. Got respect for Cannondale, "how far will it go?" Ans"range is longer than most of us haha". (But not to be rude, and take away from the fact, 300kms and all them hours is some serious going!)
I have a Trek e road bike and regularly do 25 miles (40k) using 20% battery or less, on that my domane + could take me a good 200 km easily. My bike is heavier than a muscle bike but the drive system is so good you only need leg power on all but the steepest longest hills. Highly recommended if you can afford one!
You can with a range extender at £550! I have the same bike and I can comfortably get 100km without one and I’m a rubbish cyclist. For the odd occasion I plan to go further I’d love an extender but not good value. I wonder why retailers don’t offer a rental scheme for the extender.. I have a tour planned and would love to have one for a week, 90% of the time it would sit in the cupboard.
You should tag this ride as a Cannondale E bike ride. There are limited videos with it and it’s an injustice, it’s a great bike.
Thank you.
good point, we've tagged it. funnily enough the range extender sat in our lockup too except for that one ride!
well in level 1 and using boosts only on hills you could do it with the extra battery pack. awesome!!!!
Anyone on any type of bike is a good thing in my opinion. Anything is better that taking 2 tons of metal and a 3 piece suite with you every time you need to go to the corner shop to pick up some essentials. it’s horses for courses! I own both types of bike.
I have no expectations of ever racing so I see no issue with a ebike other than the cost. But I have to say I am tempted to get one. The base Orbea gain is VERY tempting. Probably be 2023 by the time I could get one. But that’s a lot of time to save up the $
I was one of the first people to ride an ebike in a long-distance Audax event (the first Mile Failte 8 years ago) I was a lot heavier and less fit, and it was a lot hillier, so I could only manage 100k or so on a similar battery capacity and had a stop twice during the day to recharge. Nor did it help that I'd finished building the bike only a few days before, and it was only my second such ride that required night navigation (I got lost the first time too). But I did it.
When calculating range for such events it's better to think in terms of feet climbed rather than miles ridden. Say your ebike weighs 5kg more than an unassisted setup: you would you would need to use one watt hour of battery capacity for every 100 feet of climbing just to break even. So, climbing say 10000 feet in 300k and using 500 watt hours of battery is much like riding without 25kg of baggage. I't still work, but the help comes when you need it most.
i love the idea of a road e bike. Especially if you just like riding but aren't into racing. Or live an a very hilly area. I might look at getting one once my knees give out
Basically Scotland 😂
For the same effort you simply go further which means you can see more of your local area. In my local forest I get to do 3 downhill trips for every one on a normal bike so they’re more fun too.
definitely more fun at the local bike park!
As is mentioned at the end of this, ~80% of drag comes from the rider. That in mind, saving probably 0.002% by having a profiled seat-post rather than a good old 27.2 mm alu post is nothing but stupid, considering the wealth of things you can no longer clamp on it. T'other thing that annoys me, not just with this bike but with virtually every eBike, is that the manufacturers feel free to take over one of your bottle cages. When I was doing Audax, and even now that I'm not, I liked to ride with plain water up front and sports drink in the back bottle. Not that I've motorized one of my bikes, a 4-hour stint at 30°C in summer without that back bottle is begging for cramp.
it is a bit of a pain that to extend the range you need to reduce the water carrying capacity, yeah. most of the time you probably won't need the second battery on a bike like this though
@@roadcc That's fine if you can push the bugger over 25 kph half the time and save juice, but folk my age (75) will probably not be able to. That extra bottle is going to be cruelly missed.
When the wind is blowing the right way I will attempt a 300 plus ride down the west coast of Taiwan... 286 km is my max so far. (Regular road bike)
We purchased this Vivi 27.5” electric bike and a Tentaquil 26” electric bike for our 13 and 14 year olds. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxUiL0GnyDjP32RJdd660sP8mZk4CRLTCJ The Vivi was much easier to put together. With the Vivi, there was a video link to assist with assembly which made the process easier to follow (we did put the handlebars on upside down, but it was a quick and easy fix). With the Tentaquil, the assembly was not as simple to follow, but after we messaged the company for an assembly video, it was easier and they did respond quickly. The other major differences were that the Vivi has a grip throttle on the right handle (like a motorcycle) and the Tentaquil has a push throttle that you use your thumb to activate. The monitors were also different, so if you’re looking for something specific in terms of changing the bikes functions, pay attention to what the monitor offers. We were really impressed with the overall quality and functionality of both bikes, but if you’re looking for more power and an easier assembly, definitely go with the Vivi!
The "range anxiety" is the same issue with a car. Really a non-issue, like the pickup truck a guy buys so he can haul 4 X 8 sheets of plywood - once or twice a year while the rest of the time he's driving around with just a tool box in the back.
My wife has a couple of MAHLE X35 bikes and charges 'em up once a week or so. A couple of fun hours on the bike every day is fine, who cares how far the thing might go on a single charge unless cross-country rides are a regular thing?
How do you stop suicidal thoughts riding for so long on the road???
wtf kind of a comment is this?
@@justinbouchard my soul is destroyed after 4 or 5 hours of Road riding, like watching paint dry. Must have to be totally switched off to be at it all day.
@@thelmaviaduct You need to travel where its nature and landscapes to see!! Not just roads lol
@@rotojo2 Just mountain bike for 2 hrs, same workout as 6 hrs on the road, 100% countryside and zero risk of getting run over by some lip filler pumped orange bird in a fiat 500 👍🏿
That's amazing for an e-bike, but what I really want to know is how did you get back? Did you ride 300km again??
The question I have has what will it be like after 2 yrs+. My qn is about longevity.
The battery is rated for 500 full charge cycles and after one season of ownership and 4000km I would say that I am under 30 cycles. Partial charges don't count as a cycle so if you charge at 75% consistently, it would take 3 charges to equal one cycle. Unless you plan to keep the bike for 10 years plus or do tens of thousands of kms per year, I think the battery will last longer than you plan to keep it.
Great video, you mention in the video that you changed the wheels from the stock ones. What did you go for and where did you get them? I’m looking to up grade the ones on my wilier HY but local bike shops don’t seem to be able to help. Thanks Andy
I have a Cento10Hybrid and I had a local shop custom build it. The trick is to find a carbon rim with 32 holes for the rear motor to lace up to. I used ones from Light Bicycle in 38mm depth size which is the max I would go for the lacing to work. The front wheel could be whatever spoke count you like, 24h or 28h would be fine. The model I went with is the WR38 which is also a super wide rim at 25mm and makes a 28mm tires measure out to 30mm for a super comfy ride at low PSI
Bures at 12:01 😊
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Hmm, I can’t really relate. In the u.s. the limit is 28mph, so what, 45kph? Anyway, I usually cruise at 20mph, about 35kph. At that speed I’m using quite a bit of battery, usually. So if I want to conserve battery I go much slower. On your bike, going fast uses no battery, but you must get tired trying to not engage your battery, yes?
yeah it's different in the US. but on the flat 25km/h doesn't require masses of effort on a road bike
Did I understood it right that the motor was off when ur speed is above 25kmh? Then no wonder the battery lasted so long, probably it was used only in hills, no flats or down.
e-bikes cut out at 25km/h, yes
What is the battery capacity in this video?
Can I ask what percentage you had Eco set at in the app? I just got 85km on 50% charge & I have turned Eco down to 55%. I definitely could if got more miles, but I used Amber to get me up 5-6 steep hills on route
Should have used aero bars since wind resistance is a watt killer.
@Wooly Chewbakker they minimize frontal area. You wouldn't ride in drops with aero bars.
@Wooly Chewbakker your missing the point I mean triathlon clip on aero bars no aero drop bars. I don't care about your video. Think triathlon setup, I know it's more aerodynamic and rider drag causes most watts lost.
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@Wooly Chewbakker no worries, UCI doesn't allow ebikes either.
Im getting the moustache e gravel. 17kg, bosch motor and bangin on a speedbox. F#@k 25kph!!
Then im gonna have sex with my girlfriend..
Yes If you live in the UK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Such a refreshing change to other channels, where you're assaulted by a shouting, gurning idiot who's more interested in his ego than actually imparting information.
1.53 watthours per kilometre
It's "km". k alone means just "one thousand". It's not the Imperial System anymore, but the Brits didn't learn the new System yet.
And it's "millimeter", not "mil".
Great video thanks. How many Nm is that motor? Is it powerful enough? How does it compare with Bosch Gen4 and Specialized TURBO CREO SL? Let us know if you can please
it's rated at 40Nm. it's not as powerful as even the lowest spec bosch motors (active line), and a bit less powerful than the SL1.1 motor in the turbo creo
@@DaveAtkinson Thank you very much
@@DaveAtkinson but the bike is half the weight of the EMTB . I’ve done 160 k on mine with 40% battery left. It’s all about elevation really - rolling along at 25- 30 k it’s not used - happy days
so the energy provided by the battery outweighs the extra effort required to shift its weight with your muscles ? is there a point where the battery becomes so heavy that theres no benefit to pedal anymore ? also if PAS was active all the time ( under 15.5 mph ) how far would the battery last ? I can imagine in the future the battery could super charge most of it in less than 1 hour and cyclists would travel double their normal speed for the same effort, but for some reason the government focuses on electric car technology instead.
how long the battery would last would depend on how hard the motor system is working, what mode you're in, what the terrain's like, what the weather's like... there are a lot of variables! but overall the battery is a benefit, yes
If E-Bikes are cheating by making the hills easier. Then surely Gears are cheating too…I’m just saying. 😂
Thank you for the range test. A 25km/h assist threshold is a joke. I understand 45km/h max. assist (still a bit insufficient in some cases), but 25km/h… Disgusting.
Could anyone explain to me why he says being on the large frame means that he was in more of an aggressive position where as if he was on a extra large frame it would have been a more relaxed and endurance geometry position?
A smaller frame has a shorter head tube and is therefore lower at the front (than in this case the XL). You can then pair this with a longer stem to stretch out forwards, into a lower and more ‘aggressive’ position. An XL frame would therefore have a longer head tube (and shorter stem), putting you in a more upright, relaxed position.
Look cool and beautiful
Another Brit that has not yet understood how the SI works: "300 k" doesn't mean anything. it's 300 kilometres. Maybe is better for you to come back to feet, inches, knee, elbows and fingernails
what % assit levels did you setup?
I just used the stock motor mapping. i spent most of the time in level 1 and about 50-60km in level 2. i never used level 3 on this ride
Do you have link to the battery extender and how much is it Thanks
www.ebikemotion.com/web/x35-range-extender/ - says 'coming soon' on mahle's website but they're available on quite a few retailer sites
Anyone else getting that deja vu glitch in the matrix feeling at 15:12 and 15:40 ?? How do we even know this is real??
ha! was waiting for someone to pick up on that :-)
Aylesbury... you poor sod
there were nice bits too
Disappointed on the hub motor instead of a mid drive!
They appear to be going back to hub motors due to the chain alignment problems with standard two by systems. Many of the mid drives have a wider bottom bracket, focus redesigned a rear hub with DT swiss to fit the mid drive and maintain alignment, but then makes it proprietary.
Does anyone on here happen to have to hand the weight of this bike in this spec (with the two batteries)? Meanwhile, I’ll start searching …
the range extender is about 1.6kg, the bike as ridden on the day was just over 14kg bare and about 16kg with bags and bottles
what is the total weight of this bike
I think if legislation lifted the speed limit on e-bikes to 30 kmph, they would be flying off the shelves like hot cakes. Amator cyclists would have a normal road bike and an e-bike in their sheds.
Wot fackin battery he using ffs what motor ya using ....double battery 2h run time depending on the motor current draw and shit
I hate them bikes stupid racers lmfao they only got a 62mile range so that extra battery doin 138mile doubt that 😜 he reckons the standard battery done 100miles and only half empty mmmmmm then Agen it is pedal assistance lol
This is pure misinformation! You cannot do 300km with one charge of such a rather small battery. The only way is to have it at such a low level that litterally do not feel any help at all especially in the uphills. Ebiking means that you cycle without standing up, without seawting at at all or feel tired. That was not e-biking!
Not sure I understand you. Were you watching the same video as me? He clearly stated that he would need, and then used two batteries to complete the distance. Also I don't recognise your definition of "e-biking". Riding an electrically assisted ebike is by definition e-biking no matter if you're sweating, standing on the peddles or doing crazy jumps. May be you're being ironic? Sorry if I missed that..
@@timcorso6337 How else can I say it? There is no ebike on the world that does 300km with just a two full charge butteries. It is even worse when the bike of the video has such a small (capacity-wise) batteries. Even with 4 batteries you cannot do 300km! (unless you are 50kg and give the lowest e-assistance which is useless).
@Wooly Chewbakker Thank you for the response. We need to agree first that there is not only one ebiking. Normally the ebiking should assist you in achieving speed always >25km/h with the minimum effort (no standing-up cycling in the hills, no effort, no tiredness, etc.). I did not see this in the video. I have an ebike with 840Wh and it barely does 30km. How on earth you can do 300km with these two much smaller batteries. It is practically impossible unless your muscles undertake most of the work but this is not ebiking.
@Wooly Chewbakker These are not ebikes and the settings that you have described are a joke. This is not the purpose of an ebike! This is why the number that you and the video creator do not make any sense at all and certainly is misinformation to the readers. It is as if you have bought a Ferrari and you drive it at 50km/h and then make a statement about its amazing fuel consumption and how far you can go with one tank.
@Wooly Chewbakker was certaintly very patient here ! It seems @Food Safety is confusing en eBike with a moped !