Sherman was terrific on ESPN Monday Night Matchup. Shame that the fans treated him so poorly, the guy would always face fans and the press graciously, even after tough losses. Still, I guess he outlived most of his critics, he made it to age 91 ... 🤪😎
@@richardadams4928 Yeah, I thought Sherman gave good analysis. With Ron Jaworski in-studio as well, I thought it was quite a football education on "Edge Monday Night Matchup".
Yeah, and, despite, saving, The, 1972 Dolphins, Don Shula removed him from, The, AFC, Championship Game, despite, still being a, run-first, team, completely unforgivable.
@@matthewdaley746 Snake Bite reaction Bro. SB3. I know the Fins only threw 15 times per game with that running game in those days, but Bob was healthy, Bob was his guy.
@@smitskee Perhaps, but, the, bigger, problem I have, is that Bob Griese's, a, HOFer, based on a, season, where, he, barely, played, and, another, one, where, he, hardly l, threw, totally, absurd.
@@matthewdaley746 His career is based on more than that 1973 season success. He's a multi Pro Bowl quarterback, made All pro at times, and he held that team together after that stupid WFL raped that team of players.
I went to all the games during the late 60s. There was a guy in the bleachers who held up a glass gallon bottle of beer and never stopped drinking it until he finished. The whole stadium cheered him on even though the Giants were getting destroyed on the field. The players didn't know why anyone was cheering. If anyone reading this remembers this, please comment!!!!!!
Yeah, Allie was on real thin ice going into that season. I can recall the word was he had lost his team. I remember Frank Gifford being interviewed after the firing, and he expressed just that.
@@frankmacy1879 No, you are incorrect. Allie Sherman was fired during the 19"69" preseason which was hilighted by the loss to the NY Jets. Alex came on at the start of the regular season NOT exhibition season of 1969.
I based my original correction on my remembrance of the Giant players carrying their new coach (Big Red) off the field at the conclusion of their rousing come from behind upset win over the Vikings to open the '69 season. It was one of only 2 regular season losses the Vikings would suffer that season on the way to the NFL Championship.
These suck. Totally artificial 'moments' that are nothing more than routine happenings in pro football. This guy tries to make steak out of chicken soup, repeatedly.
Jim Lee Howell is my favourite. HC. In Giants HQ in one's room there'd be Vince Lombardi preparing to coach the offence, in another Tom Landry would be preparing to coach the defence and in a third would be Jim, picking out the best prospects for a day at the track.
Allie Sherman was an All-City three sport athlete in NYC, and considered one of the greatest athletes to come from NYC. And who replaced Allie Sherman as head coach in Winnipeg, Bud Grant.
When expansion team, Atlanta, beat the Giants at Yankee Stadium in 1966, Falcon middle linebacker, Tommy Nobis, said he heard the Giants' fans chanting, "Good-Bye Al-lee, Good-Bye Al-lee!" Former Giant, Ernie Wheelwright, scored twice in that game for the Falcons. 26-12 Atlanta.
I completely disagree with this thesis. Allie stayed on for two more seasons and began a third when the real straw that broke his back occurred when the Giants were humiliated by the Jets in the 1969 preseason.
Hey man, I’m a daily watcher of your videos. Just wanted to say you account NFL history like nobody else on here that I’ve seen. Also love how you frequently cite my hometown newspaper (Santa Cruz Sentinel)!!!
In actuality the point where Allie's tenure was fractured was Game 11 in 1968 at the LA Rams. Going into the game at 7 - 3 and a game behind Dallas, The Giants lead 14 - 0 at the half, only to lose the lead and then tie it at 21 with less than a minute left. The Rams then drove into FG range in 3 plays and near sighted Bruce Gossett sneaked the winning FG just inside the right upright at the gun. The next week the flu bug hit Giants as they went on the road to Cleveland and were destroyed by the Browns. Season ending losses to the Cards by 7 and the Cowboys by 10 cemented another 7 - 7 season. But what was different about this .500 season was the fact the Giants had started a very weak opening schedule at 4 - 0 only to lose to the woeful Falcons in Atlanta (a game they gave away) and later that Rams loss. The hangover effect lead to a winless preseason in 1969 and voila the Alex Webster era was born. Just as a footnote on this Steelers game in 1966, the QB for the Giants was the late Tom Kennedy, who was signed off the sandlot and been on the roster for 4 weeks. He threw FOUR TD passes.
Great, great memory, thank you for your accurate recollection. The awful season of 1966 was when I became a Giants fan, age 9. I recall a musical chairs of injuries to the quarterbacks, first to Morrall then Gary Wood, forcing them to play Tom Kennedy. But the real problem was that woeful defense. The 72-41 game stands out, but they were overmatched against just about every team.
What I've also heard was that a 37-14 preseason loss to the defending Super Bowl champion Jets was the last straw for Allie Sherman as Giants coach. Historically, it's a thought that it took forever for the Giants to rebuild post-1963 due to them trying a patchwork system instead of starting from scratch (management felt the fanbase would not accept a full-on rebuild).
@@gregglantos2360 Even though I admired Wellington Mara as a man, he was loyal to a fault. He had his staff draft based on an old friends network of recommendations, not on any modern computer based statistical rating of college talent.
@@MrAquinas1 He was way overmatched by the young guys who were moving with the times.Then when he was to hire someone who he said would tell him to fuck off he hired Robustelli who wasn't experienced in running a pro team.Look even George Young was 26-46 his first five years.Tho that wasn't a Mara pick it was a Rozelle suggestion.BTW Are you ED Baker from Lafayette College? I have a pre-season game on video vs the Steelers where Ed Baker came in at QB.
He forgot to list Lombardi in the list of HCs making it to three straight championship games. Lombardi made it to three championship games TWICE. 1960-1962 AND 1965-1967 winning 5 NFL Championships and two Super Bowl titles.
Correction: George Trafton led the Blue Bombers to their 1953 Grey Cup appearance. Sherman coached them from 1954-1956, and produced entertaining teams, but couldn't get past the Western Finals. He was replaced by one of his players, Bud Grant. Allie Sherman was a lefthanded QB in the '40s with the "Steagles" and Eagles, and Greasy Neale called him the smartest player he ever coached. He did in fact come back in 1969, but was fired on Sept. 12, the day after the Giants lost to the Steelers to drop their pre-season record to 0-5.
@@elwin38 And that was a serious problem. The Giants were a flagship franchise of the NFL and the Jets were really the AFL's second shot at NY. But as the talent that got the Giants to several title games in the 50s and early 60s got old and retired, the Jets were up and coming with Namath, Maynard, Philbin, Snell and several others and were playing in the brand-new Shea Stadium. The Jets took advatage of the decline of Big Blue.
@@tygrkhat4087 And then they both declined for a while; the '70s must have been a miserable time to be into football anywhere in the state of New York.
V Porter, The Giants did have a few winning seasons at the beginning of the decade and were in line to make the playoffs in '70, but were drubbed by the Rams in the season finale, at home!!!
In their '66 season opener - vs the Steelers, the Giants head coach chose to start Two (2) rookie offensive tackles; Francis Peay (who later joined the Packers for a time) and Don Davis. Genius. Earl Morrall had respectable stats (hey, 34 pts.), including a 98 yd. score to Homer Jones, but had 2 picks took 3 sacks and who knows how many hurrieds. Throw in five fumbles - 3 lost. With all that it took a late Pittsburgh FG to get the tie. From there it was look out below for big blue. The next 14 seasons included a lot of two steps forward, one back - sometimes five, until a return to playoff football. In that line, why not tout that '86 team, or '90? Now those were GIANTS, feared and successful.
Fun fact, all teams who have been to 3 straight Super Bowls are in the AFC East… Edit: The only sb the jets (the only team in the AFC to not got to three straight) was sb 3!
I read Sam Huff's autobiography and he hated Allie Sherman. Sherman dismantled the team that went to three straight championship games which included Huff (their star linebacker) to Washington.
To be fair, as bad as Sherman was but Huff has gotten his bitterness towards this to the point he continued to hold grudge for decades against the Giants. Not that it made Sherman trading the guy any less stupid but still.
Wellington Mara got credit for all the trades that worked and Sherman for the bad ones. Jack Mara was still alive when Huff was traded, so Wellington was still the full time GM and inactive in the business end. Huff was disruptive and belligerent toward Sherman including changing defensive plays against Sherman's orders. He publicly blamed Sherman for the loss in the '63 championship game. He was just starting to enter the down side of his career. His statements that Sherman hated defenses so he traded everyone isn't true. Huff and his friend, 33 yr old Dick Modzelewski, had to go. A couple of other defensive players were traded, Grier for a younger DT and Barnes for a QB. They went into the '65 season without a QB.
I never saw Sam Huff play, but more than one NFL writer has suggested he was a very good (i.e. not great) middle linebacker who benefited greatly from NYC media exposure.
@@deanouellette1868 Not sure if one should take their word for it since any players who succeeds in NYC can get accused of the same thing. There had been the same crap like that being directed at Strahan as well.
Jim Lee Howell was among the most underrated coaches in NFL history. Won it all in 56', played for the championship again in 58' and 59'. His staff through 1958 had not only Allie Sherman, but Vince Lombardi AND Tom Landry.
Just know that IF Jim Lee had retired when he was supposed to, instead of hanging on for another season, Vince would have been the HC of the Giants...that was the plan...Things may have played out a bit differently for the NY Giants...
It's not as if the Giants were a powerhouse after they fired Sherman. They were terrible in the 1970s. It took Parcells to turn them around. But bringing in Tarkenton made the Giants respectable in the late 1960s, albeit with still a lousy defense, for which Sherman apparently gets no credit.
As a side note, Giants QB Tom Kennedy put up pretty good stats that day. He went 14/24 for 229 yards with 4 TDs and no INTs for a passer rating of 130.0. But oddly enough, he had only one start that season, which was his only season in the NFL. That was despite besting Earl Morrall and Gary Wood in most stat categories www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/1966.htm
Morrall was injured and missed half that season. With the Giants playing from so far behind, Kennedy was playing against prevent defenses which allow short passes away from the side lines to keep the clock running and prevents long bombs for quick scores. I'd take Joe Namath and his 65.5 rating or Fran Tarkenton and his 80.4 any day over Tom Kennedy's.
Wood was a fine athlete and quite adept running the ball. You can find the game versus the Browns that year, in which New York blew a huge lead, eventually losing 49-40. Wood had 2 TD runs that really exemplified his skills in handling the ball and making RB-type cuts. I'll just say that he wasn't often proficient throwing the ball, though.
Some people grew up hearing how their parents walked two miles in the snow to get to school. I grew up hearing about how my dad and his brothers drove up to the Yale Bowl to watch Norm Snead.
Remember, that Sherman inherited Tom Landry's defense intact and the same players still were playing well. They did get older. and the coaching was not wiser than Tom.
Also inherited lombardi’s offense that was it for giants fans when cowboys and packers became dominate with giants excoaches. Sherman was a great coach but instead of signing 10 yr contract with giants he should have left for other challenges. Sports is about meeting challenges not being safe in a long term contract
@@texasstadium I guess both qualities could be said of both men, but the discussion was about Sherman and why Giant fans were surprised that he was picked for HC over coaches that became legends. He projected an intellectual persona that impressed the Maras, which they later regretted. Incidentally, another overly generous quality of the Maras was that they were supportive of the new Cowboy franchise when other owners were not, which is fine. But they also allowed some of their staff to go over to the fledgling team at a time the Giants needed everyone to help rebuild the Giants. The Cowboys became competitive quickly and the Giants took many years to rebuild.
Sherman dismantled Tom Landry's defense. The worst trade in Giants history was on April 10, 1964 when Sam Huff was traded to the Redskins for DE Andy Stynchula and RB Dick James. They were both busts. Huff was so angry with Sherman he wanted to stick to the Giants. On 11/27/66 at RFK Stadium (then DC Stadium), the Redskins demolished the Giants, 72-41. Huff wanted to the Redskins to pile it on. He actually called for the Redskins to try a FG in the closing seconds with a 69-41 lead, just to put up 70. I was at home on Long Island that day and was totally beside myself.
@@edpinkerton7947 nah you guys won a championship in 1963. Ironically again, the Steelers actually just missed out by just one game of meeting you guys in the championship game that same year. 1963 was the best year for the Steelers in the 60s. Crazy
Except for 1965 the beloved got progressively worse as the decade went by finishing the 1969 season 1-13 tied with the Steelers then continued to shit the bed until Finks took over in 1975
@@edpinkerton7947 yea the Steelers and bears went 1-13 in 1969😂😂😂😂 I think our one win came against you guys too in week 1 think very strange. After that tho the Steelers obviously improved DRAMATICALLY lol
@@jakedasnake7703 Steelers' one win in 1969 came against the Lions in week 1. Also, as a fellow Steeler fan, how do you feel about the jerseys they're wearing in this video? Seems like the organization is embarrassed by them, but they're certainly better than those damn bumblebee ones lol.
The week 1 game against the Steelers featured the 98 yard Morrall to Homer TD that stood as the club record until 2011's 99 yarder from Eli to Cruuuuuuuuuuzzz.
number 64 for the Steelers was John Baker. You may remember him as the player who basically ended Y.A. Tittle's career in 1964 with a tackle that led to the infamous picture of Y.A. in the end zone with blood running down his face.
In all fairness to Sherman, I wonder how things could have gone had the "Baby Bulls" he planned had panned out. Frederickson's injury pretty much put the end to that.
The timing of Sherman’s firing was bizarre-during the week between the end of the preseason and regular season in 1969. It surely didn’t help that one of those exhibition games was a blowout loss to the Jets at Yale Bowl in the first meeting between the teams.
How did the 1966 NY Giants, in a losing season, rate such great in-game footage? And who told Coach Sherman it's okay for commanders to wear shorts? That only worked for Monty.
NFL Films. They filmed every game for a one hour highlight show. Back then that was the only way to see footage of all the games and you had to wait a week to watch it.
Pro Football is brutal, your only as good as your last game. Losing 3 games in a row is equal to losing 15 to 20 in a row in the NBA or MLB, and when your season was only 12 or 14 games it just magnified the situation. Imagine being a fan of a team starting 0 and 2 and having to play last year's champion the next week.
As soon as I saw the thumbnail I knew it involved Pittsburgh; lol those Batman unis stick out like a sore thumb, even in a grainy snapshot. They seem REALLY embarrassed of this era of their uniforms; I don't think they've ever brought them back, which is saying something since those horrid bumblebees made multiple appearances, and I think they're much worse. I actually like these jerseys.
@@SteelerFanInRI - Yes those bumblebee uniforms are hideous, but they seem to play well in those throwbacks most every time they play in them for some unexplained reason.
Allie never coached the Bombers in 1953, NFL Hall of Famer George Trafton coached them that year. His feud with "Indian" Jack Jacobs from that season is still legendary in Winnipeg. Sherman coached the Winnipeg Blue Bombers of the Canadian Football League from 1954-1956 in a tenure that can be charitably classified as mediocrity squared. Bud Grant replaced him for the 1957 season and instantly turned the Bombers into a dynasty playing in 6 Grey Cups, winning 4 in 5 years.
I dunno - Sherman was 7-7 the next two seasons. It would have been better to do how things fell apart from this point until he was fired after the 69 pre-season.
I personally heard fans sing “Goodbye Allie” to the tune of goodnight ladies after a preseason loss to the Eagles in Princeton. Good times, good times!
In the famous 72-41 loss on November 27, 1966 against Washington, the Giants quarterback (Tom Kennedy) threw the ball out of bounds to stop the clock. On 4th down! This enabled Washington to kick a field goal for their last 3 points. If that wasn’t the low point of Allie’s tenure with the Giants, it should have been.
When Allie took over as the Giants head coach he a great offense with YA Tittle but the Giants never had a great running game or a dominant runner like Jimmy Brown...as a result the Giants offense had a hard time in the NFL title games because it's hard to have a great passing attack in subzero windy weather..the loss to the Bears in 63 was especially devastating because Tittle got intercepted 5 times as he completed only 11 passes in 28 attempts and took a beating from the Bears defense. The Giants defense stepped up as the Bears TD drives were 5 and 24 yards..after the game Allie gutted what was left of an aging team....the new players never brought the team back to the playoffs..The Giants wanted to being back Vince Lombardi after Jim Lee Howell retired but George Halas told him to stay in Green Bay because Vince saved the Packer franchise and the Packer best years were ahead of them..Halas told Vince the Giants were an aging team at the end of their run...
theres no justification as to why Sherman's career lasted beyond the 1966 season. prior success or not, you can't have a 2 win season and then a 1 win season two years later and be able to keep your job.
At the time, in NYC, it was the Football equivalent of the Yankees trading Mantle. Sam was on the end cycle of his career, but he was still productive, a leader, well liked by his teammates, and a fan favorite. How could a man with a high IQ like Allie Sherman, be so stupid. When you want to transition with youth, it's understandable, but there are some things you just don't do. No question, a major fuck-up he never lived down.
My moment of turning against Allie Sherman was the 1965 draft where he chose Auburn's Tucker Frederickson over Gayle Sayers, the "Kansas Comet". I thought anyone this stupid no longer deserved my loyalty. This was only buttressed by other 1965 picks Chuck Mercein and the supposed "triple threat" Ernie Koy and the prior year's picks, Steve Thurlow and the appropriately named Joe Don Looney. All these choices had the common traits of being slow, plodding and unable to run in the open field. They were nicknamed the 'baby bulls'. Koy was especially incompetent when in one game he punted and the ball went straight up and landed behind the line of scrimmage meaning the Giant's would have been better off just turning the ball over. Don Looney was especially unstable when he allegedly threw his practice uniform on the ground instead of a barrel which said 'dirty clothes here', because he "wasn't going to let a sign tell him what to do!" The Giants' running back Ron Johnson, who was traded from Cleveland to NY for Homer Jones, roomed with my brother the first year he came to NY and Johnson told him he couldn't run the 100 yds any faster than 10 flat and said he was by far the fastest player on the team, the Giants having traded the blazingly fast Jones for him. It is doubtful any of the 'baby bulls' could break a minute and a half in the hundred. However, there is No truth to the rumor that Koy was run down from behind by a potted plant.
The Giants made plenty of personnel mistakes at that time. Trading Sam Huff and Rosey Grier, not having a good replacement for Y.A. Tittle and Charlie Connerly, and drafting Tucker Frederickson over Gayle Sayers and Dick Butkus in 1965. It just all combined to make bad teams. Maybe not all his fault but some of it was avoidable…
Easy to say in hindsight Sayers would've been a better pick than Frederickson, no one knew Frederickson was going to hurt his knee early in his NFL career. How well do you think Sayers would've done behind the Giants offensive line in the late 's and early '70s? They did get Ron Johnson a couple of years later for Homer Jones, didn't end up playing much for Cleveland. They could have and should have drafted Joe Namath in '65. Sherman wanted him. Mara bungled the entire situation. Of course, Namath would've probably been killed behind the offensive lines the Giants had for many years.
@@jeffsmith2022 Mara took credit for all the trades until a couple of super unpopular ones that were blamed on Sherman. The bad trades and draft picks continued long after Sherman was fired.
My father couldn’t stand Allie Sherman! I remember watching a game back in 1971 and saying how he ruined the Giants! The famous refrain at Yankee Stadium used to be “Goodbye Allie”!
The Giants barely lost to a great Rams team in LA in a late '68 game that would have kept them solidly in playoff contention. Had tgey won that game and made the playoffs, Sherman would have remained tge coach and no one would remember this incident.
That game against the Pittsburgh was nowhere near the final straw. You failed to mention the preseason against the Jets in 1969. Although it was a preseason game it was taken very seriously by both teams. The Jets under Joe Namath embarrassed the Giants played at Yale bowl . Sherman was than fired after that game.
Warren Katz, While this guy presents interesting morsels from the vintage NFL years, the conclusions he draws are frequently inaccurate ones, as in this case. Frankly, I don't believe he's that knowledgeable about the game (see all the mispronunciations of names that even he admits), despite sprinkling interesting statistics in, which are readily available from a number of online sources. I appreciate the response he's getting and that the site's subs are really taking off, but my sense is that there are content providers (like Dave Volsky) whose genuine comprehension of the game's history, put this fellow in the shade.
@@mitchellmelkin4078 you hit somthing on the head.not only sports ,politics,or whatever is, often inaccurate ,misleading or downright wrong on the internet. Once it's on the internet than people just repeat it as fact no matter how stupid it could be.
sounds to me like sherman inherited a very good football team, and wrecked them. they were in the championship game 3 times right before sherman took over. 1956, '58, and '59, sherman took over in 1961. they won in it in 1956, then lost 5 championships in the next 7 years. they beat the bears, then lost two to the colts, and three to the packers.
From 1956-1963 the NY Giants had a dynasty in the NFL. One of the weirdest dynasties in sports history, because they won only one championship, in 1956. I don't know if you've covered that, but it would be interesting. In eight years they went to the championship game six times, but went 1-5 in championship games.
@@iamhungey12345 Yes, that's a good point. And that was mentioned in the documentary on the Giants. But the Giants would tell you (because I heard them say it), 'Yes, we had a dynasty.' It certainly wasn't a traditional dynasty, but it was a dynasty in that they were the dominant team in the NFL East and NFL in that period between 1956-1963. They were the 'dynasty' of the regular season. Not a traditional dynasty in that they went 1-5 in Championship games, but they considered themselves a dynasty. And with Vince Lombardi as their offensive coordinator and Tom Landry as their defensive coordinator, you can see why.
@@iamhungey12345 It is! You are correct. It's a "strange" type of dynasty where one team dominated pro Football during the regular season over a span of eight years, and couldn't win the championship! That's why the NFL did a documentary on it, and in the documentary, the Giants players did confirm that in their take on the events, they did have a dynasty. But is was a strange take on the meaning of dynasty.
@@markgraham2312 Dynasty have been watered down nowadays and we have seen cases now and then. I wish the Giants had a dynasty but the closest they got was in the 1930s where they won two titles and had chances for another one during the decade. Dunno if they could have repeated if Plax wasn't an idiot and/or had the Giants made a trade for Tony Gonzalez.
Yeah, but, to be fair, Jim Lee Howell, coached, six, NFL, Championship, Games, and, lost, twice, to the Packers, twice, to the Colts, and, once, to the Bears, winning, only, 1956, over, the Bears.
Circumstances cost the Giants both Lombardi and Landry. Lombardi had been a Giant assistant for 5 years. He was 45, had applied for head coaching jobs in college, and nearly got the Philadelphia job, but he was eager to be a head coach - he wasn't getting any younger. He decided in 1959 he would either become the Giants HC, or he was leaving(possibly even football itself if he couldn't be a head man). Jim Lee Howell at this point wanted to stay on as HC, but after another season in 1959 decided he wanted out. Bad timing, as Lombardi had taken the Packers job by now. If Howell had felt this way after 1958, Lombardi would have become the head man. Tom Landry had no intension of staying in NY, he was going back to Texas one way or another, in or out of football. Allie Sherman had taken over Lombardi's post in 1959, and became the favorite to replace Howell. They talked Howell into coaching for 1960 while things were sorted out. First, they made a pitch to Lombardi to come back to NY, but the Packers had jumped from 1-10-1 in 1958 to the NFL title game by 1960, the Packers and the league wanted Lombardi to keep things going in GB, so he turned down the Maras. Sherman then became the choice to replace Howell. As I said, Landry never really figured in, at this pointed he wanted out of NY, plus by this time he was with the Cowboys.
Best thing Sherman did for New York sports fans was greatly improve things for off track horseplayers as president of the OTB Corp in the Giuliani administration.
Weak Sauce. I was watching in those years, and that sucky season doomed Sherman long before that play. This entire series takes mundane football plays, and tries to turn them into life changing moments, which they aren't.
Steelers were bad, offensively, but the defense played rough and opponents, at least, had to earn the points. Giants' defense, on the other hand, gave up over 500 points in 1966.
Completely off topic, but those white with yellow shoulders Steelers jerseys would have been much better throwbacks than the ones that look like bees in prison.
Malone Brinton, You're absolutely right. All these new subs are justifiably interested in odd pieces of League history from the vintage years, but what he contends in these pieces, often simply isn't accurate. Compare this guy's knowledge with Dave Volsky's, for instance. You really can't.
Your premise is incorrect and frankly a little childish. A coach doesn't lose his job because of a fluke play. You lose your job when you have three losing seasons in a row and the worst defense in the league.
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Sherman was terrific on ESPN Monday Night Matchup. Shame that the fans treated him so poorly, the guy would always face fans and the press graciously, even after tough losses. Still, I guess he outlived most of his critics, he made it to age 91 ... 🤪😎
damn
That's the show that introduced me to Allie Sherman; from there I learned about his coaching career.
@@gluserty Same. He was a good host, better show than any of the current pre-game shows.
@@richardadams4928 Yeah, I thought Sherman gave good analysis. With Ron Jaworski in-studio as well, I thought it was quite a football education on "Edge Monday Night Matchup".
@@gluserty I miss Jaws, too, he's a good analyst. As a Cowboys fan, I considered him a highly respected opponent during his playing days.
I was at that game. I was 11 years old. I won the tickets on a NY television show called Wonderama. I loved the Giants then and I still do.
Not only would Earl Morrall play another 10 seasons, he picked up four NFL titles, three of them Super Bowls.
Yeah, and, despite, saving, The, 1972 Dolphins, Don Shula removed him from, The, AFC, Championship Game, despite, still being a, run-first, team, completely unforgivable.
@@matthewdaley746 Snake Bite reaction Bro. SB3. I know the Fins only threw 15 times per game with that running game in those days, but Bob was healthy, Bob was his guy.
@@smitskee Perhaps, but, the, bigger, problem I have, is that Bob Griese's, a, HOFer, based on a, season, where, he, barely, played, and, another, one, where, he, hardly l, threw, totally, absurd.
@@matthewdaley746 His career is based on more than that 1973 season success. He's a multi Pro Bowl quarterback, made All pro at times, and he held that team together after that stupid WFL raped that team of players.
@@smitskee Yeah, but, let's, be, real, here, the, Dolphins, never, came, close, to, a, SB, from, 1975-1980, he, got, totally, exposed, without, RBs.
This channel has great content.
It will be huge soon.
Marcus Allen’s 1986 fumble vs the Eagles- the disastrous moment that marked the beginning of the end for the Tom Flores Raiders
I remember that play well. Sort of a "Miracle of the Meadowlands" revisit. That stadium was quiet as a mouse after that.
And the end of Marcus Allen being the main man in the Raiders offense.
I went to all the games during the late 60s. There was a guy in the bleachers who held up a glass gallon bottle of beer and never stopped drinking it until he finished. The whole stadium cheered him on even though the Giants were getting destroyed on the field. The players didn't know why anyone was cheering. If anyone reading this remembers this, please comment!!!!!!
If Allie had just spiked the ball on every snap...
He left that up to Homer Jones, after each TD catch
The straw that broke Allies back was the 'exhibition' loss to the Jets in 1969. The ownership of NYC shifted from the Giants to the Jets / Namath.
Yeah, Allie was on real thin ice going into that season. I can recall the word was he had lost his team. I remember Frank Gifford being interviewed after the firing, and he expressed just that.
Not so. Sherman was fired at the conclusion of the 1968 season. Former Giant FB Alex Webster became head coach in 1969.
@@frankmacy1879 No, you are incorrect. Allie Sherman was fired during the 19"69" preseason which was hilighted by the loss to the NY Jets. Alex came on at the start of the regular season NOT exhibition season of 1969.
Rob, I stand corrected.
I based my original correction on my remembrance of the Giant players carrying their new coach (Big Red) off the field at the conclusion of their rousing come from behind upset win over the Vikings to open the '69 season. It was one of only 2 regular season losses the Vikings would suffer that season on the way to the NFL Championship.
You have come up with a fantastic niche. These are outstanding. Thank you.
These suck. Totally artificial 'moments' that are nothing more than routine happenings in pro football. This guy tries to make steak out of chicken soup, repeatedly.
@@denniscarlson4674 bet your the kind of kid that would get pissed and throw your Xmas presents at your mom because she got you the wrong one...
Jim Lee Howell is my favourite. HC. In Giants HQ in one's room there'd be Vince Lombardi preparing to coach the offence, in another Tom Landry would be preparing to coach the defence and in a third would be Jim, picking out the best prospects for a day at the track.
If Jim Lee had retired when he was supposed to. instead of a year later, we would have had Vince as our HC, that's a fact...
I really appreciate your knowledge of not only the game, but the history of the NFL. Thank you!
Still binging your channel, you're awesome
Literally waited till upload to make breakfast
Andy Russell for the hall of fame
agreed. ham and lambert are already there, right?
@@waltwilliams7063 yup
Allie Sherman was an All-City three sport athlete in NYC, and considered one of the greatest athletes to come from NYC. And who replaced Allie Sherman as head coach in Winnipeg, Bud Grant.
The NY 'Football' Giants vs The Pittsburgh 'Football' Steelers.
I always liked the yellow collar on the old Steelers unis.
When expansion team, Atlanta, beat the Giants at Yankee Stadium in 1966, Falcon middle linebacker, Tommy Nobis, said he heard the Giants' fans chanting, "Good-Bye Al-lee, Good-Bye Al-lee!" Former Giant, Ernie Wheelwright, scored twice in that game for the Falcons. 26-12 Atlanta.
I completely disagree with this thesis. Allie stayed on for two more seasons and began a third when the real straw that broke his back occurred when the Giants were humiliated by the Jets in the 1969 preseason.
This did, however, seem to prefigure the beginning of the 1968-69 end.
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In actuality the point where Allie's tenure was fractured was Game 11 in 1968 at the LA Rams. Going into the game at 7 - 3 and a game behind Dallas, The Giants lead 14 - 0 at the half, only to lose the lead and then tie it at 21 with less than a minute left.
The Rams then drove into FG range in 3 plays and near sighted Bruce Gossett sneaked the winning FG just inside the right upright at the gun.
The next week the flu bug hit Giants as they went on the road to Cleveland and were destroyed by the Browns. Season ending losses to the Cards by 7 and the Cowboys by 10 cemented another 7 - 7 season. But what was different about this .500 season was the fact the Giants had started a very weak opening schedule at 4 - 0 only to lose to the woeful Falcons in Atlanta (a game they gave away) and later that Rams loss.
The hangover effect lead to a winless preseason in 1969 and voila the Alex Webster era was born.
Just as a footnote on this Steelers game in 1966, the QB for the Giants was the late Tom Kennedy, who was signed off the sandlot and been on the roster for 4 weeks. He threw FOUR TD passes.
Great, great memory, thank you for your accurate recollection. The awful season of 1966 was when I became a Giants fan, age 9. I recall a musical chairs of injuries to the quarterbacks, first to Morrall then Gary Wood, forcing them to play Tom Kennedy. But the real problem was that woeful defense. The 72-41 game stands out, but they were overmatched against just about every team.
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What I've also heard was that a 37-14 preseason loss to the defending Super Bowl champion Jets was the last straw for Allie Sherman as Giants coach. Historically, it's a thought that it took forever for the Giants to rebuild post-1963 due to them trying a patchwork system instead of starting from scratch (management felt the fanbase would not accept a full-on rebuild).
They didn't draft well. Rocky Thompson in 1971? C'mon man!
@@gregglantos2360 Even though I admired Wellington Mara as a man, he was loyal to a fault. He had his staff draft based on an old friends network of recommendations, not on any modern computer based statistical rating of college talent.
They sang Goodbye Allie in Montreal during the pre-season.
@@MrAquinas1 He was way overmatched by the young guys who were moving with the times.Then when he was to hire someone who he said would tell him to fuck off he hired Robustelli who wasn't experienced in running a pro team.Look even George Young was 26-46 his first five years.Tho that wasn't a Mara pick it was a Rozelle suggestion.BTW Are you ED Baker from Lafayette College? I have a pre-season game on video vs the Steelers where Ed Baker came in at QB.
You never seem to run out of ideas. Great work.
He forgot to list Lombardi in the list of HCs making it to three straight championship games. Lombardi made it to three championship games TWICE. 1960-1962 AND 1965-1967 winning 5 NFL Championships and two Super Bowl titles.
I said Lombardi did it twice. Just didn’t put his footage in there
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 Oh, guess I didn't hear it. Sorry.
Great memories of those bad times...I was a kid and still remember singing "Goodbye Allie- we hate to see you go" at Yankee stadium.
Correction: George Trafton led the Blue Bombers to their 1953 Grey Cup appearance. Sherman coached them from 1954-1956, and produced entertaining teams, but couldn't get past the Western Finals. He was replaced by one of his players, Bud Grant.
Allie Sherman was a lefthanded QB in the '40s with the "Steagles" and Eagles, and Greasy Neale called him the smartest player he ever coached.
He did in fact come back in 1969, but was fired on Sept. 12, the day after the Giants lost to the Steelers to drop their pre-season record to 0-5.
And it didnt help that Allie lost to the Jets(who just won the SB)in that same '69 preseason.
@@elwin38 And that was a serious problem. The Giants were a flagship franchise of the NFL and the Jets were really the AFL's second shot at NY. But as the talent that got the Giants to several title games in the 50s and early 60s got old and retired, the Jets were up and coming with Namath, Maynard, Philbin, Snell and several others and were playing in the brand-new Shea Stadium. The Jets took advatage of the decline of Big Blue.
@@tygrkhat4087 And then they both declined for a while; the '70s must have been a miserable time to be into football anywhere in the state of New York.
@@SteelerFanInRI True, although the Bills did have a couple of winning seasons in the 70s, but some bad ones too.
V Porter, The Giants did have a few winning seasons at the beginning of the decade and were in line to make the playoffs in '70, but were drubbed by the Rams in the season finale, at home!!!
In their '66 season opener - vs the Steelers, the Giants head coach chose to start Two (2) rookie offensive tackles; Francis Peay (who later joined the Packers for a time) and Don Davis. Genius. Earl Morrall had respectable stats (hey, 34 pts.), including a 98 yd. score to Homer Jones, but had 2 picks took 3 sacks and who knows how many hurrieds. Throw in five fumbles - 3 lost. With all that it took a late Pittsburgh FG to get the tie. From there it was look out below for big blue. The next 14 seasons included a lot of two steps forward, one back - sometimes five, until a return to playoff football. In that line, why not tout that '86 team, or '90? Now those were GIANTS, feared and successful.
Fun fact, all teams who have been to 3 straight Super Bowls are in the AFC East…
Edit: The only sb the jets (the only team in the AFC to not got to three straight) was sb 3!
Fun Fact: Tom Brady is, 1-3, in, the, SB, against, the NFC East, and, 6-0, against, everybody else, how, odd.
...and then there's the Jets...
@WVUer21 Yeah, but, the, Jets, are, the, only, team, in, the, AFC, East, that's, still, never, lost, a, SB, very, strange.
@@matthewdaley746 An undefeated 1-0 mark that will remain unchallenged for a long time!
@@WVUer21 Yeah, that record, likely, shall hold, for, decades, not, sure if it's, possible, to be challenged at any foreseeable point.
Jag9 goat
I read Sam Huff's autobiography and he hated Allie Sherman. Sherman dismantled the team that went to three straight championship games which included Huff (their star linebacker) to Washington.
To be fair, as bad as Sherman was but Huff has gotten his bitterness towards this to the point he continued to hold grudge for decades against the Giants. Not that it made Sherman trading the guy any less stupid but still.
Wellington Mara got credit for all the trades that worked and Sherman for the bad ones. Jack Mara was still alive when Huff was traded, so Wellington was still the full time GM and inactive in the business end. Huff was disruptive and belligerent toward Sherman including changing defensive plays against Sherman's orders. He publicly blamed Sherman for the loss in the '63 championship game. He was just starting to enter the down side of his career. His statements that Sherman hated defenses so he traded everyone isn't true. Huff and his friend, 33 yr old Dick Modzelewski, had to go. A couple of other defensive players were traded, Grier for a younger DT and Barnes for a QB. They went into the '65 season without a QB.
I never saw Sam Huff play, but more than one NFL writer has suggested he was a very good (i.e. not great) middle linebacker who benefited greatly from NYC media exposure.
@@deanouellette1868 Not sure if one should take their word for it since any players who succeeds in NYC can get accused of the same thing. There had been the same crap like that being directed at Strahan as well.
Huff love Lombardi; came out of retirement to play for him, with the Redskins
Jim Lee Howell was among the most underrated coaches in NFL history. Won it all in 56', played for the championship again in 58' and 59'. His staff through 1958 had not only Allie Sherman, but Vince Lombardi AND Tom Landry.
Just know that IF Jim Lee had retired when he was supposed to, instead of hanging on for another season, Vince would have been the HC of the Giants...that was the plan...Things may have played out a bit differently for the NY Giants...
Dick Nolan also played for him, and went on to a very good coaching career
It's not as if the Giants were a powerhouse after they fired Sherman. They were terrible in the 1970s. It took Parcells to turn them around. But bringing in Tarkenton made the Giants respectable in the late 1960s, albeit with still a lousy defense, for which Sherman apparently gets no credit.
As a side note, Giants QB Tom Kennedy put up pretty good stats that day. He went 14/24 for 229 yards with 4 TDs and no INTs for a passer rating of 130.0. But oddly enough, he had only one start that season, which was his only season in the NFL. That was despite besting Earl Morrall and Gary Wood in most stat categories www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/1966.htm
Morrall was injured and missed half that season. With the Giants playing from so far behind, Kennedy was playing against prevent defenses which allow short passes away from the side lines to keep the clock running and prevents long bombs for quick scores. I'd take Joe Namath and his 65.5 rating or Fran Tarkenton and his 80.4 any day over Tom Kennedy's.
Wood was a fine athlete and quite adept running the ball. You can find the game versus the Browns that year, in which New York blew a huge lead, eventually losing 49-40. Wood had 2 TD runs that really exemplified his skills in handling the ball and making RB-type cuts. I'll just say that he wasn't often proficient throwing the ball, though.
Some people grew up hearing how their parents walked two miles in the snow to get to school. I grew up hearing about how my dad and his brothers drove up to the Yale Bowl to watch Norm Snead.
Remember, that Sherman inherited Tom Landry's defense intact and the same players still were playing well. They did get older. and the coaching was not wiser than Tom.
Also inherited lombardi’s offense that was it for giants fans when cowboys and packers became dominate with giants excoaches. Sherman was a great coach but instead of signing 10 yr contract with giants he should have left for other challenges. Sports is about meeting challenges not being safe in a long term contract
If you did deep into history, Landry credits learning a lot of defensive theory from Sherman. He was a smart man, but his people skills stunk.
@@MrAquinas1 Landry or Sherman? Or both?
@@texasstadium I guess both qualities could be said of both men, but the discussion was about Sherman and why Giant fans were surprised that he was picked for HC over coaches that became legends. He projected an intellectual persona that impressed the Maras, which they later regretted.
Incidentally, another overly generous quality of the Maras was that they were supportive of the new Cowboy franchise when other owners were not, which is fine. But they also allowed some of their staff to go over to the fledgling team at a time the Giants needed everyone to help rebuild the Giants. The Cowboys became competitive quickly and the Giants took many years to rebuild.
Sherman dismantled Tom Landry's defense. The worst trade in Giants history was on April 10, 1964 when Sam Huff was traded to the Redskins for DE Andy Stynchula and RB Dick James. They were both busts. Huff was so angry with Sherman he wanted to stick to the Giants. On 11/27/66 at RFK Stadium (then DC Stadium), the Redskins demolished the Giants, 72-41. Huff wanted to the Redskins to pile it on. He actually called for the Redskins to try a FG in the closing seconds with a 69-41 lead, just to put up 70. I was at home on Long Island that day and was totally beside myself.
The ironic thing is the Steelers themselves in the 60s were possibly the laughingstock of the entire league lmao
Followed closely by the bears
@@edpinkerton7947 nah you guys won a championship in 1963. Ironically again, the Steelers actually just missed out by just one game of meeting you guys in the championship game that same year. 1963 was the best year for the Steelers in the 60s. Crazy
Except for 1965 the beloved got progressively worse as the decade went by finishing the 1969 season 1-13 tied with the Steelers then continued to shit the bed until Finks took over in 1975
@@edpinkerton7947 yea the Steelers and bears went 1-13 in 1969😂😂😂😂 I think our one win came against you guys too in week 1 think very strange. After that tho the Steelers obviously improved DRAMATICALLY lol
@@jakedasnake7703 Steelers' one win in 1969 came against the Lions in week 1. Also, as a fellow Steeler fan, how do you feel about the jerseys they're wearing in this video? Seems like the organization is embarrassed by them, but they're certainly better than those damn bumblebee ones lol.
Being that Sherman was a offence orientated Coach and Yes he's overall responsible but it was the defence that caused the problems
The week 1 game against the Steelers featured the 98 yard Morrall to Homer TD that stood as the club record until 2011's 99 yarder from Eli to Cruuuuuuuuuuzzz.
number 64 for the Steelers was John Baker. You may remember him as the player who basically ended Y.A. Tittle's career in 1964 with a tackle that led to the infamous picture of Y.A. in the end zone with blood running down his face.
Adding those subscribers quick! Easily doubled in the past ?month?
Dude played for BROOKLYN COLLEGE!!!
A city college!..
In all fairness to Sherman, I wonder how things could have gone had the "Baby Bulls" he planned had panned out. Frederickson's injury pretty much put the end to that.
i wonder too,that team had some potential
Trouble with that team the Giants got old with no replacement players.
The timing of Sherman’s firing was bizarre-during the week between the end of the preseason and regular season in 1969. It surely didn’t help that one of those exhibition games was a blowout loss to the Jets at Yale Bowl in the first meeting between the teams.
Just as bizarre as everything else was Wellington Mara did running that team in those days.
It was the loss to The Jets that was the final nail. It was amazing how by 1966 Yankee Stadium had become a mausoleum.
They lost all the other preseason games, as well
Great video as usual. Question, how did the 1 win Giants draft 10th after this disastrous season? That is worth a video analysis.
Paul Brown was in 10 consecutive championship games.
54 years ago.
The '66 Giants should have just spiked the ball on every single play.
At least, I was able to enjoy Homer Jones spike it, whenever he caught a TD pass, which was very infrequent
How did the 1966 NY Giants, in a losing season, rate such great in-game footage? And who told Coach Sherman it's okay for commanders to wear shorts? That only worked for Monty.
NFL Films. They filmed every game for a one hour highlight show. Back then that was the only way to see footage of all the games and you had to wait a week to watch it.
Pro Football is brutal, your only as good as your last game. Losing 3 games in a row is equal to losing 15 to 20 in a row in the NBA or MLB, and when your season was only 12 or 14 games it just magnified the situation. Imagine being a fan of a team starting 0 and 2 and having to play last year's champion the next week.
As soon as I saw the thumbnail I knew it involved Pittsburgh; lol those Batman unis stick out like a sore thumb, even in a grainy snapshot. They seem REALLY embarrassed of this era of their uniforms; I don't think they've ever brought them back, which is saying something since those horrid bumblebees made multiple appearances, and I think they're much worse. I actually like these jerseys.
I am sure that the Steelers organization is embarrassed by their history before Chuck Noll came to town.
@@davester1970 not enough to not bring those bumblebees back somehow, which, they SHOULD have been embarrassed by those at least lol
@@SteelerFanInRI - Yes those bumblebee uniforms are hideous, but they seem to play well in those throwbacks most every time they play in them for some unexplained reason.
@@davester1970 all the more reason to bring the Batmans back lol; they usually play well in throwbacks, period.
Allie never coached the Bombers in 1953, NFL Hall of Famer George Trafton coached them that year. His feud with "Indian" Jack Jacobs from that season is still legendary in Winnipeg.
Sherman coached the Winnipeg Blue Bombers of the Canadian Football League from 1954-1956 in a tenure that can be charitably classified as mediocrity squared. Bud Grant replaced him for the 1957 season and instantly turned the Bombers into a dynasty playing in 6 Grey Cups, winning 4 in 5 years.
Allie Sherman and Fran Tarkenton didn't get along very well. Read the book "Seven Days to Sunday."
It is a very good book and should be a must read for all Giant fans who have an interest in their history...
My only pleasant memory, as a young giants fan, was Fran throwing deep to Homer Jones, and Joe Morrison making some good plays occasionally
I dunno - Sherman was 7-7 the next two seasons. It would have been better to do how things fell apart from this point until he was fired after the 69 pre-season.
I personally heard fans sing “Goodbye Allie” to the tune of goodnight ladies after a preseason loss to the Eagles in Princeton. Good times, good times!
The sad part is... The Brown's and Lions weren't even trying to go 0 and 16. That's saying something.
Is that Kyle Rote at 9:28?
In the famous 72-41 loss on November 27, 1966 against Washington, the Giants quarterback (Tom Kennedy) threw the ball out of bounds to stop the clock. On 4th down! This enabled Washington to kick a field goal for their last 3 points. If that wasn’t the low point of Allie’s tenure with the Giants, it should have been.
When Allie took over as the Giants head coach he a great offense with YA Tittle but the Giants never had a great running game or a dominant runner like Jimmy Brown...as a result the Giants offense had a hard time in the NFL title games because it's hard to have a great passing attack in subzero windy weather..the loss to the Bears in 63 was especially devastating because Tittle got intercepted 5 times as he completed only 11 passes in 28 attempts and took a beating from the Bears defense. The Giants defense stepped up as the Bears TD drives were 5 and 24 yards..after the game Allie gutted what was left of an aging team....the new players never brought the team back to the playoffs..The Giants wanted to being back Vince Lombardi after Jim Lee Howell retired but George Halas told him to stay in Green Bay because Vince saved the Packer franchise and the Packer best years were ahead of them..Halas told Vince the Giants were an aging team at the end of their run...
theres no justification as to why Sherman's career lasted beyond the 1966 season. prior success or not, you can't have a 2 win season and then a 1 win season two years later and be able to keep your job.
Allie Sherman's legacy was ruined when He traded Sam Huff to the Redskins.
At the time, in NYC, it was the Football equivalent of the Yankees trading Mantle. Sam was on the end cycle of his career, but he was still productive, a leader, well liked by his teammates, and a fan favorite. How could a man with a high IQ like Allie Sherman, be so stupid. When you want to transition with youth, it's understandable, but there are some things you just don't do. No question, a major fuck-up he never lived down.
He got all the blame for it. Well Mara was, at a minimum, just as guilty.
You know you kinda sound like oddity archive
My moment of turning against Allie Sherman was the 1965 draft where he chose Auburn's Tucker Frederickson over Gayle Sayers, the "Kansas Comet". I thought anyone this stupid no longer deserved my loyalty. This was only buttressed by other 1965 picks Chuck Mercein and the supposed "triple threat" Ernie Koy and the prior year's picks, Steve Thurlow and the appropriately named Joe Don Looney. All these choices had the common traits of being slow, plodding and unable to run in the open field. They were nicknamed the 'baby bulls'. Koy was especially incompetent when in one game he punted and the ball went straight up and landed behind the line of scrimmage meaning the Giant's would have been better off just turning the ball over. Don Looney was especially unstable when he allegedly threw his practice uniform on the ground instead of a barrel which said 'dirty clothes here', because he "wasn't going to let a sign tell him what to do!" The Giants' running back Ron Johnson, who was traded from Cleveland to NY for Homer Jones, roomed with my brother the first year he came to NY and Johnson told him he couldn't run the 100 yds any faster than 10 flat and said he was by far the fastest player on the team, the Giants having traded the blazingly fast Jones for him. It is doubtful any of the 'baby bulls' could break a minute and a half in the hundred. However, there is No truth to the rumor that Koy was run down from behind by a potted plant.
I was happy, though, that Mercein was picked up by the Packers, and had a big contribution in helping with that win in the '67 champ game
Some Guy named Namath at Shea didn"t help.
The Giants made plenty of personnel mistakes at that time. Trading Sam Huff and Rosey Grier, not having a good replacement for Y.A. Tittle and Charlie Connerly, and drafting Tucker Frederickson over Gayle Sayers and Dick Butkus in 1965. It just all combined to make bad teams. Maybe not all his fault but some of it was avoidable…
Easy to say in hindsight Sayers would've been a better pick than Frederickson, no one knew Frederickson was going to hurt his knee early in his NFL career. How well do you think Sayers would've done behind the Giants offensive line in the late 's and early '70s? They did get Ron Johnson a couple of years later for Homer Jones, didn't end up playing much for Cleveland.
They could have and should have drafted Joe Namath in '65. Sherman wanted him. Mara bungled the entire situation. Of course, Namath would've probably been killed behind the offensive lines the Giants had for many years.
The issue was not trading past their prime players, but what the coach got in return...IMO
@@joeshmoe7789 I'm amazed at how Tarkenton, was able to have any time to throw, success playing behind that O-line
@@jeffsmith2022 Mara took credit for all the trades until a couple of super unpopular ones that were blamed on Sherman. The bad trades and draft picks continued long after Sherman was fired.
My father couldn’t stand Allie Sherman! I remember watching a game back in 1971 and saying how he ruined the Giants! The famous refrain at Yankee Stadium used to be “Goodbye Allie”!
sorta like pete carroll's new england experience.
Sherman was fired pre-season '69.
55 Years Ago
You said the game was, "December 11th, 1967...."....but I think you meant 1966.
He put up a correction comment.
@@CTubeMan ok thanks.
The Giants barely lost to a great Rams team in LA in a late '68 game that would have kept them solidly in playoff contention. Had tgey won that game and made the playoffs, Sherman would have remained tge coach and no one would remember this incident.
Ya defense is everything. Remember the old adage: offense wins games. Schottenheimer wins championships...lol
That coach made 3000 a year. Dam.
The fans never embraced Sherman. Without that play the fans would still have sung Good-bye Allie.
The Giants QB situation in 66' was deplorable -- just watch these lowlights..
Allie Sherman, NFL coach of the year, '62 & '63. That does not happen because you are a bum...
That game against the Pittsburgh was nowhere near the final straw. You failed to mention the preseason against the Jets in 1969.
Although it was a preseason game it was taken very seriously by both teams.
The Jets under Joe Namath embarrassed the Giants played at
Yale bowl .
Sherman was than fired after that game.
Warren Katz, While this guy presents interesting morsels from the vintage NFL years, the conclusions he draws are frequently inaccurate ones, as in this case. Frankly, I don't believe he's that knowledgeable about the game (see all the mispronunciations of names that even he admits), despite sprinkling interesting statistics in, which are readily available from a number of online sources.
I appreciate the response he's getting and that the site's subs are really taking off, but my sense is that there are content providers (like Dave Volsky) whose genuine comprehension of the game's history, put this fellow in the shade.
@@mitchellmelkin4078 you hit somthing on the head.not only sports ,politics,or whatever is, often inaccurate ,misleading or downright wrong on the internet.
Once it's on the internet than people just repeat it as fact no matter how stupid it could be.
sounds to me like sherman inherited a very good football team, and wrecked them. they were in the championship game 3 times right before sherman took over. 1956, '58, and '59, sherman took over in 1961. they won in it in 1956, then lost 5 championships in the next 7 years. they beat the bears, then lost two to the colts, and three to the packers.
*'58
They were sort of like the Bills of their era, with all those consecutive champ game losses
From 1956-1963 the NY Giants had a dynasty in the NFL.
One of the weirdest dynasties in sports history, because they won only one championship, in 1956.
I don't know if you've covered that, but it would be interesting.
In eight years they went to the championship game six times, but went 1-5 in championship games.
When you win one title, I wouldn't call championship appearances as "dynasty". Still better than what the 1990s Bills had.
@@iamhungey12345 Yes, that's a good point. And that was mentioned in the documentary on the Giants. But the Giants would tell you (because I heard them say it), 'Yes, we had a dynasty.'
It certainly wasn't a traditional dynasty, but it was a dynasty in that they were the dominant team in the NFL East and NFL in that period between 1956-1963.
They were the 'dynasty' of the regular season. Not a traditional dynasty in that they went 1-5 in Championship games, but they considered themselves a dynasty.
And with Vince Lombardi as their offensive coordinator and Tom Landry as their defensive coordinator, you can see why.
@@markgraham2312 It's a bit misleading since dynasty would be more dominating than that, it's still one title by the end of the day.
@@iamhungey12345 It is! You are correct. It's a "strange" type of dynasty where one team dominated pro Football during the regular season over a span of eight years, and couldn't win the championship! That's why the NFL did a documentary on it, and in the documentary, the Giants players did confirm that in their take on the events, they did have a dynasty. But is was a strange take on the meaning of dynasty.
@@markgraham2312 Dynasty have been watered down nowadays and we have seen cases now and then. I wish the Giants had a dynasty but the closest they got was in the 1930s where they won two titles and had chances for another one during the decade.
Dunno if they could have repeated if Plax wasn't an idiot and/or had the Giants made a trade for Tony Gonzalez.
It didn't help his cause that his predecessor lost his OC AND DC. Just a couple of HOF head coaches.
Yeah, but, to be fair, Jim Lee Howell, coached, six, NFL, Championship, Games, and, lost, twice, to the Packers, twice, to the Colts, and, once, to the Bears, winning, only, 1956, over, the Bears.
Tom Landry & Vince Lombardi not too shabby.
@@johnhardman825 Just too bad the Giants skipped the, both, of them.
Circumstances cost the Giants both Lombardi and Landry. Lombardi had been a Giant assistant for 5 years. He was 45, had applied for head coaching jobs in college, and nearly got the Philadelphia job, but he was eager to be a head coach - he wasn't getting any younger. He decided in 1959 he would either become the Giants HC, or he was leaving(possibly even football itself if he couldn't be a head man). Jim Lee Howell at this point wanted to stay on as HC, but after another season in 1959 decided he wanted out. Bad timing, as Lombardi had taken the Packers job by now. If Howell had felt this way after 1958, Lombardi would have become the head man. Tom Landry had no intension of staying in NY, he was going back to Texas one way or another, in or out of football. Allie Sherman had taken over Lombardi's post in 1959, and became the favorite to replace Howell. They talked Howell into coaching for 1960 while things were sorted out. First, they made a pitch to Lombardi to come back to NY, but the Packers had jumped from 1-10-1 in 1958 to the NFL title game by 1960, the Packers and the league wanted Lombardi to keep things going in GB, so he turned down the Maras. Sherman then became the choice to replace Howell. As I said, Landry never really figured in, at this pointed he wanted out of NY, plus by this time he was with the Cowboys.
@@gregfrank4115 Looks, like, it just, wasn't, meant to be, at all.
6:47 I see that a lot in current Madden games.
Should never have traded Sam Huff.
2-10-2 in 1964, not 4-10-2. The season consisted if 14 games, not 16.
Best thing Sherman did for New York sports fans was greatly improve things for off track horseplayers as president of the OTB Corp in the Giuliani administration.
Weak Sauce. I was watching in those years, and that sucky season doomed Sherman long before that play. This entire series takes mundane football plays, and tries to turn them into life changing moments, which they aren't.
Can I offer a possibility for a video. 1925 the year the league stole the championship from Postville.
is that Bill Cullen that Sherman's talking to at 1:25?
Well they did lose hall of hame OC and DC in the late 50s. Lombardi and Landry.
Andy Reid 19-21
Andy Russell rockin the ugly Pittsburgh jersey
Hey, those jerseys are cool and I will stand by that forever; the bumblebees are much worse lol.
Savage fans back then
How could this have been the final straw, when Allie would coach the team for two more seasons?
Steelers were bad, offensively, but the defense played rough and opponents, at least, had to earn the points. Giants' defense, on the other hand, gave up over 500 points in 1966.
all of which had nothing to do with allie sherman but the team the mara's put together.
I was very young but remember my father saying this guy _Sherman ...ruined the Giants
Completely off topic, but those white with yellow shoulders Steelers jerseys would have been much better throwbacks than the ones that look like bees in prison.
So it wasn't the 72-41 loss to the Washington Redskins?
Didn't John Madden make the AFC championship 3 years
Your videos are good but you need work. Talk to TPS, utree, THATS GOOD SPORTS, 5 points vids, and other guys. Tps is the most similar.
Malone Brinton, You're absolutely right. All these new subs are justifiably interested in odd pieces of League history from the vintage years, but what he contends in these pieces, often simply isn't accurate. Compare this guy's knowledge with Dave Volsky's, for instance. You really can't.
Your premise is incorrect and frankly a little childish. A coach doesn't lose his job because of a fluke play. You lose your job when you have three losing seasons in a row and the worst defense in the league.