Hare Krishna, so called Garga Muni is a fool. I don't even consider him a sadhak as he is no way closer to Vaishnavism. First of all, Srila Bhakti Prajana Keshav Maharaj (spiritual master of Srila Narayan Maharaj) is Srila AC Bhaktivedant Swami Maharaj's god brother and also His Sannyas Guru. Srila Bhakti Prajana Keshav Goswami Maharaj offered Sannyas to Srila AC Bhaktivedant Swami Maharaj in the year 1959. In 1959 the so called western devotees who dare to criticize Gaudiya Math were engaged in sinful activities like meat eating, intoxication, gambling and illicit sex and much more than that. Even after accepting Sannyas these idiots were caught in illicit sexual relationships as they always offended the lotus feet of Srila Bhakti Prajana Keshav Goswami Maharaj.
Srila Jiva Gosvami said that the last instructions of an acarya are the most important. Prabhupada's final instruction was that the war with the Gaudiya math is over. To criticize any of Srila Prabhupada's Godbrothers is not our business. If Srila Prabhupada disaproved of Srila Narayana Maharaja so much, then why did he ask him to do his final Samadhi at Krsna-Balarama mandira, and lead the circambulation of Vrndavana to all the prominent temples? Why did Srila Prabhupada accept sannyasa from Srila Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Maharaja, Srila Narayana Maharaja's guru, where SNM helped to arrange SP danda and sannyasa kaupinas in 1959 in Mathura. Srila Prabhupada took sannyasa in 1959, and Srila Narayana Maharaja took in 1952. So they were sannyasa godbrothers, but still Srila Narayana Maharaja considered Srila Prabhupada to be his siksa-guru. Always SNM supported Srila Prabhupada's preaching and words. We were simply kids to Srila Narayana Maharaja who resided in Vrndavana for some 40+ years before he started his preaching in the West. Srila Prabhupada asked him Personally to help his devotees. So he fulfilled Srila Prabhupada's request magnificently and munificently. Gargamuni Prabhu was not even in Vrndavana when Srila Prabhupada departed for nitya-lila. Our immaturity to relate with Srila Prabhupada's godbrothers was the actual reason SP said not to associate with his godbrothers. This video does injustice to both Sripada Gargamuni Prabhu and Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja. The war is over.
+Tirthapad Das you can ask a dog.to fetch the shoes or guard the house at night. Perform final rites is a regular brahmana duty in india l. They used to pay 8 annas for that stuff. There are hundreds of quotes condemning gm and even without any quotes the acts of Narayana Maharaja wanted to undermine sp. Don't give your idiotic arguments here you rascal. You can goto hellll with who ever you are following. Why did mahaprabhu accept sannyasa from mayavadis? Sannyasa is just a rite.
@@vediciskcon7165 you are raslcle you don't even know how to talk with another vaishnav who is giving his opinion , you don't even know the basic sidhdanta of Vaishnavism.
The story about not accepting prasadam was resolved with that godbrother. When Shrila Prabhupada was leaving his body that godbrother came to Shrila Prabhupada and then accepted prasadam.
Stop all this Bogus preaching.. Chant pure name..And Glorify.. Radha Krishna as much as possible.. Even I am offending unto ur lotus feet..by Giving knowledge...Joy Srila Bhakti Vedanta Narayan Goswami Maharaj..joy Srila Bhakti Vedanta Swami Maharaj..joy Srila Bhakti Rakshyak Sri Dhar maharaj..
Is Gargamuni Prabhu completely ignorant of how Srila Narayana Maharaja defended ISKCON when a court case was going on against ISKCON. Why did Srila Prabhupada have Srila Narayana Maharaja perform his samadhi ceremony? He could have had others in ISKCON or Godbrothers do it but he had SNM do it. Also, this video does not represent Srila Prabhupada's view of the Gaudiya Math properly. The Gaudiya Math is a term that simply means all Maths are connected to "Gauranga Mahaprabhu's mission" or Srimati Radhika's. Srila Prabhupada is and always will be a branch of the original Gaudiya Math...Once Srila Prabhupada told Gargamuni that I just want you to do one thing: "Chant your rounds!" He never did, therefore he left his sannyasa and got married. How can anyone see him as an authority to speak against SNM and the break-up of the Gaudiya Math? The Gaudiya Maths split over Ananta Vasudeva and Bhakti Vilasa Tirtha's dispute over property and who would be the next bona fide Acarya. SNM's guru is Srila Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Maharaja (Prabhupada's sannyasa guru) who established his own temple and mission, in which our Srila Prabhupada was co-founder also. There are so many misconceptions about the Gaudiya Math and what Srila Narayana Maharaja did to actually try to help ISKCON continue preaching in India and the world! Gargamuni Prabhu unfortunately never heard Srila Narayana Maharaja enough to understand the other side and see that not all members of the Gaudiya Math are against ISKCON. SNM always simply wanted the right siddhanta to be preached in ISKCON in which Srila Prabhupada tol him to help his disciples. Gargamuni Prabhu should just be quiet in this controversy and chant his rounds! A kanistha means one who can not recognize another Vaisnava. It is not a matter of simply sentimentally supporting Prabhupada like a dog and pony show! Enough, those who are sincere will look at both sides of the controversy and understand the real truth.
je papishtha ek baishnaber paksha hoy, anya baishnaber ninde sei jay khoy.” Meaning - “He is verily a sinner who supports one Vaishnav and criticizes another. Such a person will surely perish. - (Sri Chaitanya Bhagabat)
No true Vaishnava can criticise!! Well that’s all I have said in 1 line.. 😂 maya is so strong that some nice Vaishnavas are glorifying themselves instead of Krishna 🥳..Anyways all are wearing Kanthi Mala ,even I m also wearing but I m in a bit sense G 🧐…Srila NGM and Srila Prabupad both are serving Krishna and waiting to choose the one who will reply nicely to my small message 😎
Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acharya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them. Your ever well-wisher, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami ACBS/sdg
Jai Prabhupada.Do not judge Gargamuni prabhu by his body.Who knows what kind of wonderful personality he is to be sent to serve the greatest vaishnava that we have known.S.Prabhupafa us so far above his Godbrothers that they dont rate at all,why even.mention them or care what someone says about them.Stay away.
I am strict iskcon and prabhupada follower since 15 yrs , But your explanation is so dull and irritating that you proved that you are not vaishnav. A real Vaishnav can never criticize another vaishnav even he criticize them . You don't follow prabhupada , you don't know prabhupada real mood . Your every words are so offensive that I can't hear further . I will never hear from you again and sorry I don't wanna see you again . Radharani knows how to treat you .
nitya-shuddha gyan bastu baishnab sakal, tobe je koloho dekho sob kutuhol. iha na bujhiye kono kono buddhi nash, eke bonde, ar ninde, jaibeko nash.” Meaning - “All Vaishnavs are eternally pure and have pure knowledge, when you see them quarrel it is only in play. Some foolish people don’t understand this and take sides. They praise one and criticize the other - they will surely perish.” Therefore we must think - “It is only a leela of the Vaishnavs. I am foolish, so am unable to comprehend” and we must not take sides. If you support one and find fault with the other, you will harm your bhajan.
Srila Prabhupada said that all his godbrothers went back to Godhead. I wonder if Srila Prabhupada is pleased for Gargamuni Prabhu to say that ALL of Srila Prabhupada's godbrothers are hypocrites and ALL of his godbrothers are not pure ? It is Srila Prabhupada's perogative to speak like this but can we ?
+Glenn Powell being a rascal and going back to Godhead are different things. If u can't understand how this is. Don't ask me. And don't comment on my vids. U fool
Excuse me, Madhukara Prabhu, are you saying by analogy "a dog to fetch the shoes or guard the house at night" that the comparison is Srila BV Narayana Maharaja is like a dog? Those are pretty offensive terms to apply to a senior Vaisnava, one who served our Srila Prabhupada many in more ways than you could ever imagine. Apparently you are blind with envy or rage also of the service SNM did for Srila Prabhupada before you entered ISKCON. Did you read any of the 300 letters that Srila Prabhupada wrote SNM? Were you there when SNM led the parikrama around Vrndavana at all the temples? And when were you born? I can guarantee than he was serving Srila Kesava Maharaja, Prabhupada's sannyasa guru, before you were born. What I saying is that Gargamuni Prabhu is not a pristine example of a judge of someone so senior as Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja. Rather, he is junior in countless ways. This is not a debate to denounce either. I respect the service Gargamuni Prabhu for his previous service to Srila Prabhupada. But, on the other hand, to find fault in senior Vaisnavas outside of ISKCON is a dangerous sectarian mentality. Once Srila Prabhupada stopped Gurukrpa Prabhu in his tracks when he was going to criticize Gandhi. He told him flatly, "You do not know how to criticize Gandhi. I can but cannot..." So, if you have facts that Srila Narayana Maharaja blasphemed or unknowingly criticized Srila Prabhupada, then please give an example rather than name-calling or beating him with a stick as logic goes. I have first-hand experience of both, service to Srila Prabhupada and Srila Narayana Maharaja. I saw the love and concern between both, especially when there is proof that Srila Prabhupada asked Srila Narayana Maharaja to help his disciples. I suspect you do not know the history of Gargamuni Prabhu or SNarayana Maharaja to post such an unjustified interview.
Maybe he knew something you did not. You have misunderstood once again. He dealt with many of his godbrothers in a very different vaishnava ways. You are taking so many instances out of context and using this to vilify all of his godbrother. S.P. asked Srila Raksak Sridhar Maharaj to become the president of ISKCON. He sent devotees to hear from Srila Sridhar Maharaja. It was not in his nature so S.P. accepted this and continued on with his mission. He did not vilify Sridhar Mharaj like you do. Achuytananda das lived at the Madhva Maharaj ashram in Calcutta. There are many letters from Srila Narayana Maharaja to S.P. which showed great affection for S.P. yet your leaders and the real envious people burned them up. S.P. wrote to many godbrothers and asked for assistance, some helped some did not, life goes on. Many of your godbrothers treated you with disrespect, so is that an excuse to vilify? The art of discrimination is required, not the art of vilifying vaishnavas. You are not an authority on all things vaishnava. You know some things but you do not know all things. Thus your interpretation of exchanges between vaishnavas may be flawed, so you should tread lightly when entering the arena of advanced devotees. Many arguments are exchanged between vaishnavas and it is not for you to interpret what they are doing. It is like a husband and wife having an argument and a neighbor butts in with a stupid comment. He does not know the back story, so there is no benefit to his comment. This applies to you Mr. Gargamuni or should we say Mr. Garga-money. Be careful, pledging allegiance to the fictional Srila Prabhupada that has been created over the years by the ISKCON controllers is a deadly path. Find out the real Srila Prabhupada before claiming you know what is what.
+Martin Davidson maybe maybe not. Don't start your arguments with maybe. Maybe you keep your stupid mouth shut or choose to refer to gargamuni as gargamuni, you rascal
@@vediciskcon7165 Maybe you should think before you speak. Srila Prabhupada called Gargamuni, Gargamoney. You don't know history so maybe you should keep your comments to yourself. Gargamoney was once a sannyasi. Ask him what happened to his vow to his spiritual master.
@@jackbootshamangaming4541 Really...is that all you know? What goes on between transcendental godbrothers is not for your analysis. You have no idea what transpires between these personalities. A conditioned soul dares to say what is what with all acharyas. Sorry we ain't buying your speculation.
@@truthseekerdiggingdeeper234 I'm not just quoting him. Srila ACBVSP did say Sridhar was behind it. IDK how you can explain that away. I personally don't care either what happened, IGM business doesn't interest me much. I'm more interested with Raganuga Bhatki.
The truth regarding Srila Narayan Maharaja and sahajiya ...(From a class delivered in Badger, May 7 2001 on the glories of Govardhan) Narayana Maharaja:" Nowadays this has become very cheap. I don’t want to make this subject cheap. This is the most confidential treasure which must be kept only in our hearts. So many times I have told my devotees, my sannyasis, brahmacaris, and preachers, "Be very careful about this. This is not a thing to be given in the fish market or airport or any other such place. Keep it secret." If a woman has love for someone other than her husband, will she tell this fact to her father, mother, husband, or any friend? TRY TO CONCEAL THIS, as Mahaprabhu has advised. Otherwise, we will lose what we are getting and lust will come in its place. This is what is going on at the present time. Now I see that the Iskcon devotees have translated Govinda Lilamrta, Krsna Bhavanamrta, and books that are still more confidential than these. They have translated so many books and they are reading them. It is a very strange phenomenon, and now the same thing is going on here. I want to warn you. Be like Govardhana who concealed everything. He became a stone, and that is why Radha and Krsna and all the gopis have no shame at all in front of him. They have no shame in front of his mountains, hills, and rivers. These entities have life, but they will not disclose anything to others. If you are naked in front of a mirror, is there any harm or any shame? No. This is because a mirror has no life. Similarly, Giriraja becomes like this mirror. He never tells what he has seen of the confidential pastimes of Radha and Krsna to anyone. I THEREFORE REQUEST MY DEVOTEES THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BROADCAST ALL THESE HIGH-CLASS SUBJECTS. IF THEY ARE FORTUNATE TO HEAR SOMETHING, THEY SHOULD KEEP THAT IN THEIR HEARTS. Be like Sri Raya Ramananda, Sri Svarupa Damodara, Srimati Madhavi devi and others. Even Srila Rupa Gosvami and Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami were not at the Gambhira. We, on the other hand, have made these topics very, very cheap. We distribute them everywhere in the market. I DON’T WANT THIS. BY DOING THIS YOU WILL BECOME VERY LUSTY. AT THIS STAGE, DON’T READ ALL THESE CONFIDENTIAL BOOKS. RATHER, YOU SHOULD TRY TO FOLLOW VAIDHI-BHAKTI AND READ CAITANYA-CARITAMRTA. Read all the prescribed books, especially those of Rupa Gosvami and Raghunatha dasa Gosvami, like Upadesamrta and Manah-siksa. You can also read the books of Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura. Srila Prabhupada was very much against revealing all these topics in public. He knew all these subjects, and he knew that these are the best of subjects, but for beginners they are to be hidden." (From a class delivered in Badger, May 7 2001 on the glories of Govardhan) Ps. Srila Narayana Maharaja always spoke and wrote like that. I never heard any different. So don't believe anyone who tells you differently.
This is for you Manikar das, you who like to tell people to shut up and accuse them of being rascals. Letter to Gargamoney from Srila Prabhupada dated Sept. 25 1970 from Calcutta India to Buffalo, New York. Reads as follows....."My Dear Gargamuni Maharaja,(Yeah he was once a maharaja, fallen from that position) Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated September 12, 1970 and have noted the content very carefully. I think you will remember that I called you not Gargamuni but Gargamoney. So whenever I required some money I approached you and you were kind to pay me immediately. So please continue your capacity in this way to supply money to the society. That will please Krishna." Well Well Mr. Manikar Das you must eat your offensive words. And by the way, open that closed mind of yours and realize ISKCON is not the be-all and end-all of spiritual institutions. Their rise to prominence is not only due to S.P. but the whole of the guru parampara as S.P. many times remarked that he was only a peon trying to serve his spiritual master. You and that silly Mukunda das have fallen so far off the bhakti wagon that you can no longer identify a REAL vaishnava and you are only left with these aging old warhorses who actually did some thing in the service of their spiritual master by his causeless mercy. They are now trying to cash in their bhakti credits before the Lord of death pays them a visit and presents the FULL tally of their life's activities, both the good and the bad. Yes there is a back story to all of us who claim to have rendered some menial service to those elevated Mahabhagavats. Not all those years can be claimed to have been filled with pure devotion. If we are at all to be honest. I forgive you for your foolishness, but don't do it again.
Ways to avoid vaishnava aparadha 1. We should always remain engrossed in bhajan and sadhana. 2. We should not discuss anything else other than God. 3. We should speak with anyone only when it is absolutely necessary to do so. 4. We should walk on the road with our head lowered and palms joined - thus showing respect to everyone. 5. It is best to consider everyone superior to us. 6. When one comes to us and critisizes another person we should say, “I have remembered some urgent work” and quickly leave that place. 7. If we ever see some fault in another, we should think, “my heart is evil, so I am finding a fault in him, it is my fault and not his.” In this manner, we must chastise ourselves. If we do not live like this, we shall never get rid of aparadhas and these huge barricades will continue to block our progress in bhakti. We will never even realize when, unknown to us, these aparadhas have accumulated and have formed mountains on our path.
Excuse me Manikar Das, but I served in Gargamuni Prabhu's party in India. At that time Srila Prabhupada told him to do one thing: "Chant your rounds!" How am I blaspheming my godbrother by telling that he should be very aware of the assistance that Srila Narayana Maharaja did for Srila Prabhupada. By the way, I don't even think you are initiated by Srila Prabhupada. If so, you wouldn't resort to low-class phrases like "worm in stool." I've known Gargamuni longer than you, I am sure of that. The point is here is that he telling untrue things about Srila Prabhupad. At the end of Srila Prabhupada's glorious manifest life, he said the war with the Gaudiya Math is over. You have no idea the glories of Srila Prabhupada and moreover the glories of Srila Narayana Maharaja. This video by Gargamuni Prabhu does him injustice. He did some wonderful service to Srila Prabhupada, but to discredit another Vaisnava of the calibre of Srila Narayana Maharaja shows that he never really knew him or understood him. I am pretty sure to say that Srila Narayana Maharaja was a sannyasi serving Srila Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Maharaja, our Srila Prabhupada, before you were born. So, you should not come over emotionally blind with criticizes against the Gaudiya Math or such a close friend of our Srila Prabhupada like you do. If you want to have a rational discussion about these topics, I am ready. But we should avoid criticizing other devotees, that's all I ask.
+Tirthapad Das here is your rational discussion “I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. (Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga 4/28/74) “They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success. “In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. “He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. “His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. “So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year. “Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.
This video is completely bogus. It is because of hateful videos such as these that the "war" has continued. Srila Prabhupada said "the war is over" and begged for forgiveness from the GM, basically saying that sometimes we say things we dont mean. Besides if SP rejected the GM as useless, it would be a terrible offense to His spiritual master and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta maharajas 10s of 1000s of disciples. It be like saying "Oh gurudeva (SBSM) all your preaching was useless because your whole GM is bogus." Obviously to think that this was Srila Prabhupadas mood is deeply offensive in itself. Iskcon actually preaches this and its spiritually a very dangerous situation. Dont let big buildings opulent deity worship and money eg fool you. Srila Prabhupada did not even know all of SBSM disciples, only a few and it is clear, that He spoke only about a few selective ones. When He said "all" He obviously He referred to all of those He mentioned by name. Not All of the GM. I would have thought that this is clear to straight thinking people, but no, obviously not. And the GBC is allowing this to go on, just see how this is a very bad situation for iskcon and those who preach this nonsense.
I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. (Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga 4/28/74) “They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success. “In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. “He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. “His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. “So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year. “Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.
Excuse my mistake for the names, I was addressing a "Madhukara Prabhu" but I now notice it was "Manikara" which I don't know what that means. Can you please explain your name and where you got it? Respectfully, I have never heard of such a name. Who has given such a name to such a good standing devotee as you? Thank you for this discussion, but it should not degrade into criticizing Vaisnavas. Otherwise, we should question the motives behind the stances each person takes. My stance is the defense of my Srila Prabhupada and his dear friend and long-time associate, Srila Narayana Maharaja. Clearly, what is yours? Is it your defense of Gargamuni Prabhu or simply a defense of Srila Prabhupada by attacking Srila Narayana Maharaja? Please, give facts, not opinions.
You cant blame them for not wanting to eat our offerings . A little humilty please . Hes really lost the plot by critizing Prabhupadas godbrothers when he told his disciples not to critize them . He said he can critize them , but we cannot . Sad to see Garga Muni being so offensive
Prabhu also vehemently said do not go to.my Godbrothers they are envious snakes,do mot read their literatures yet so many of his diciples went and praised them etc.and took re in itiation do basically slapping S.Prabhupads face.I go with Gargamuni d.
Srila A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada deviated from Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur in Form but not in Spirit Similarly Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupada deviated from Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur in Form but not in Spirit Below are a transcription of a Conversation with Srila Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar Dev-Goswami Maharaj . Reference is : TH-cam Video - Srila B.R Sridhar Dev-Goswami Maharaj - Nuestro Amado Guardian . Go to 1:45 minute on video Our Guru Maharaj Did ; then to the Sanyasi. Swami Maharaj ( A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada ) deviated from that , but I; Though other Godbrothers they Feel something different, I don't Feel so Because he was more Grand range in magnitude and circumstance was also very different than that of India. So this sort of freedom he must have to adjust with the circumstances, given the nature. ..... " Unclear Audio" This Latitude he must, should enjoy. Enjoy means He must found such inspiration from within for greater recommendation. So naming and so many things are different. But we have to see the Spirit within not the outer thing And Prabhupada ( Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupada ) also formerly, He seemed to deviate from Bhaktivinode Thakur Bhaktivinode Thakur laid stress on the household life and he was very much afraid of the renounced life. Life of renunciation. .... That may be very grieved and serious and may be reactionary But Prabhupada, He came with such an organisation. .... He get some chance for what is not generally available. ... That Vaishnava Seva .... Vaishnava association..... Sadhu sanga What is the most indispensable necessity in the life of a Sadhaka.... That is Sadhu Sanga. He made arrangement with Sadhu Sanga available to many. And so He took bold step to collect persons from different stages, To draw them in and give them chance of Divine service under the guidance of a Vaishnava. .... Vaishnava Seva Always hearing, Always engagement And so his deviation from Bhaktivinode Thakur was Amply compensated by other aspects. So that deviation is no deviation in Spirit but in Form Swami Maharaj also had deviation formerly in many cases But the Spirit is intact there . Who have eye to see that, they will embrace them (Iskcon). Otherwise others will murmur That he took the name of Prabhupada, Himself, of his Guru His Guru had reverence for Bhaktivinode Thakur's name And he has given this Vivekananda RamaKrishna Mission. They generally use this Ananda in the Sanyasi..... But our Prabhupada did not , so deviation from Prabhupada All this sort of accusing may come on Swami Maharaj, Deviation from his own Guru. ........ But one who has got eye to see the Spirit within. He won't care for this change in Formality. He will see the inner thing and not the external And one who has got such a High degree of distributing Himself. He must be given by the Higher Authority some Latitude; Magnitude of extending himself in some Original way
How rubbish was You did not listen prabhupads last order B.v. Narayan goswami mhrj never did this He was the only one to receive him the first time he came back He himself preached westerners Gaudiya math have so many foriegners. And if so why did prabhupad asked B.V. NARAYAN GOSWI MHRJ TO GI E HIS SAMADHI. You people have vanished all the letters between prabhupad and Narayan Maharaj You have edited prabhupad books according to your convenience. Srila prabhupad said all of you to take instruction from Narayan Maharaj while departing, did you accept his instruction. No you didn't why? Don't make me helpless to expose you there are many true things I can say note baseless accuses.
This is such a disgrace to even be spoken of and such a speaker is a hypocrite because if u were a devotee u would leave that in the hands of the lord. Devotees are sometimes like crabs in barrel
The lecture and your display shows how much envy you have got towards all the godbrothers of Srila Prabhupad. You will definitely go back to Godhead, as you personally knew all godbrothers of Srila Prabhupad and I guess you also knew Srila Prabhupad's spiritual master.
~*~*~*~*~*~ ~Prabhupada Morning Walk March 17, 1974, Vrindavana~ Money is the Honey! Narayana Maharaja is just after western money and collecting cheap disciples.~ ~*~*~*~*~*~ There is a wonderful recording from May 3,1976 Honolulu Hi Temple with Srila Prabhupada expressing His ReQuests~*~
Really? Are you blind to Srila Narayana Maharaja's help for Srila Prabhupada throughout his 60 years as a Vaisnava disciple of Srila BP Kesava Maharaja, our Srila Prabhupada's sannyasa guru? When one criticizes such a senior Vaisnava like Srila Narayana Maharaja, you point one finger at him and three at yourself! Those who never got the association of Srila Narayana missed out on one of the most glorious Vaisnavas of the century. Unfortunately, devotees who are quick to criticize and condemn Gaudiya Vaisnavas outside of ISKCON are buried in their own materialistic desires. Maybe, you should read some of his books, or listen to his lectures before you are quick to condemn. Count the number of devotees of Srila Prabhupada that were floundering in maya after Prabhupada left and see how he made them come back and serve our Srila Prabhupada once again. He did wonderful service for Srila Prabhupada both when he was on the planet and when Srila Prabhupada entered nitya-lila.
+Tirthapad Das he has given duplicitous help to iskcon. Thanks for that. But over all SP wanted to avoid all god brothers. See here, and don't speak lies you little gaudiya cheating rascal “I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. (Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga 4/28/74) “They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success. “In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. “He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. “His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. “So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year. “Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.
Offender, I am Iskcon Devotee , where is your statement ? .prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1974/mar/morning_walk/vrndavana/march/17/1974?d=1 People like you destroying Iskcon soon. Offensive mentality is overcrowding everywhere in iskcon .
That NM was non sense. He is just a sahajiya....tried to spoil SP teachings by capturing some of his disciples... I also believe that, if the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada is true, it is this guy's to be doubted first......
It’s best to take shelter of prabhupad and not criticize any devotees
Hare Krishna, so called Garga Muni is a fool. I don't even consider him a sadhak as he is no way closer to Vaishnavism. First of all, Srila Bhakti Prajana Keshav Maharaj (spiritual master of Srila Narayan Maharaj) is Srila AC Bhaktivedant Swami Maharaj's god brother and also His Sannyas Guru. Srila Bhakti Prajana Keshav Goswami Maharaj offered Sannyas to Srila AC Bhaktivedant Swami Maharaj in the year 1959. In 1959 the so called western devotees who dare to criticize Gaudiya Math were engaged in sinful activities like meat eating, intoxication, gambling and illicit sex and much more than that. Even after accepting Sannyas these idiots were caught in illicit sexual relationships as they always offended the lotus feet of Srila Bhakti Prajana Keshav Goswami Maharaj.
Bogus guru and bogus disciple, society of cheaters and cheated
Marcus Garvey famously wrote: “A people without knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots”
Srila Jiva Gosvami said that the last instructions of an acarya are the most important. Prabhupada's final instruction was that the war with the Gaudiya math is over. To criticize any of Srila Prabhupada's Godbrothers is not our business. If Srila Prabhupada disaproved of Srila Narayana Maharaja so much, then why did he ask him to do his final Samadhi at Krsna-Balarama mandira, and lead the circambulation of Vrndavana to all the prominent temples? Why did Srila Prabhupada accept sannyasa from Srila Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Maharaja, Srila Narayana Maharaja's guru, where SNM helped to arrange SP danda and sannyasa kaupinas in 1959 in Mathura. Srila Prabhupada took sannyasa in 1959, and Srila Narayana Maharaja took in 1952. So they were sannyasa godbrothers, but still Srila Narayana Maharaja considered Srila Prabhupada to be his siksa-guru. Always SNM supported Srila Prabhupada's preaching and words. We were simply kids to Srila Narayana Maharaja who resided in Vrndavana for some 40+ years before he started his preaching in the West. Srila Prabhupada asked him Personally to help his devotees. So he fulfilled Srila Prabhupada's request magnificently and munificently. Gargamuni Prabhu was not even in Vrndavana when Srila Prabhupada departed for nitya-lila. Our immaturity to relate with Srila Prabhupada's godbrothers was the actual reason SP said not to associate with his godbrothers. This video does injustice to both Sripada Gargamuni Prabhu and Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja. The war is over.
+Tirthapad Das you can ask a dog.to fetch the shoes or guard the house at night. Perform final rites is a regular brahmana duty in india l. They used to pay 8 annas for that stuff. There are hundreds of quotes condemning gm and even without any quotes the acts of Narayana Maharaja wanted to undermine sp. Don't give your idiotic arguments here you rascal. You can goto hellll with who ever you are following.
Why did mahaprabhu accept sannyasa from mayavadis? Sannyasa is just a rite.
@@vediciskcon7165 you are raslcle you don't even know how to talk with another vaishnav who is giving his opinion , you don't even know the basic sidhdanta of Vaishnavism.
Marcus Garvey famously wrote: “A people without knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots”
The story about not accepting prasadam was resolved with that godbrother. When Shrila Prabhupada was leaving his body that godbrother came to Shrila Prabhupada and then accepted prasadam.
@ Shraddha ॐ श्रद्धा the prasadam was cooked by the disciples. I thought that was clear. There was never an issue if Prabhupada cooked.
After the leaving of body of Srila Prabhupada, perhaps Garga Muni has not done enough reading and japa to be obsessed with topics like this.
Stop all this Bogus preaching..
Chant pure name..And Glorify.. Radha Krishna as much as possible.. Even I am offending unto ur lotus feet..by Giving knowledge...Joy Srila Bhakti Vedanta Narayan Goswami Maharaj..joy Srila Bhakti Vedanta Swami Maharaj..joy Srila Bhakti Rakshyak Sri Dhar maharaj..
Is Gargamuni Prabhu completely ignorant of how Srila Narayana Maharaja defended ISKCON when a court case was going on against ISKCON. Why did Srila Prabhupada have Srila Narayana Maharaja perform his samadhi ceremony? He could have had others in ISKCON or Godbrothers do it but he had SNM do it. Also, this video does not represent Srila Prabhupada's view of the Gaudiya Math properly. The Gaudiya Math is a term that simply means all Maths are connected to "Gauranga Mahaprabhu's mission" or Srimati Radhika's. Srila Prabhupada is and always will be a branch of the original Gaudiya Math...Once Srila Prabhupada told Gargamuni that I just want you to do one thing: "Chant your rounds!" He never did, therefore he left his sannyasa and got married. How can anyone see him as an authority to speak against SNM and the break-up of the Gaudiya Math? The Gaudiya Maths split over Ananta Vasudeva and Bhakti Vilasa Tirtha's dispute over property and who would be the next bona fide Acarya. SNM's guru is Srila Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Maharaja (Prabhupada's sannyasa guru) who established his own temple and mission, in which our Srila Prabhupada was co-founder also. There are so many misconceptions about the Gaudiya Math and what Srila Narayana Maharaja did to actually try to help ISKCON continue preaching in India and the world! Gargamuni Prabhu unfortunately never heard Srila Narayana Maharaja enough to understand the other side and see that not all members of the Gaudiya Math are against ISKCON. SNM always simply wanted the right siddhanta to be preached in ISKCON in which Srila Prabhupada tol him to help his disciples. Gargamuni Prabhu should just be quiet in this controversy and chant his rounds! A kanistha means one who can not recognize another Vaisnava. It is not a matter of simply sentimentally supporting Prabhupada like a dog and pony show! Enough, those who are sincere will look at both sides of the controversy and understand the real truth.
Marcus Garvey famously wrote: “A people without knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots”
je papishtha ek baishnaber paksha hoy,
anya baishnaber ninde sei jay khoy.”
Meaning - “He is verily a sinner who supports one Vaishnav and criticizes another. Such a person will surely perish. - (Sri Chaitanya Bhagabat)
Marcus Garvey famously wrote: “A people without knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots”
No true Vaishnava can criticise!! Well that’s all I have said in 1 line.. 😂 maya is so strong that some nice Vaishnavas are glorifying themselves instead of Krishna 🥳..Anyways all are wearing Kanthi Mala ,even I m also wearing but I m in a bit sense G 🧐…Srila NGM and Srila Prabupad both are serving Krishna and waiting to choose the one who will reply nicely to my small message 😎
Yes we are one family of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu And Nityanand prabhu
Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acharya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
ACBS/sdg
Thanks prabhu, now who in their right mind can argue with that ?
Jai Prabhupada.Do not judge Gargamuni prabhu by his body.Who knows what kind of wonderful personality he is to be sent to serve the greatest vaishnava that we have known.S.Prabhupafa us so far above his Godbrothers that they dont rate at all,why even.mention them or care what someone says about them.Stay away.
Lol
What about Bhakti Prajnan Keshava Goswami Maharaja?
He was also SP's Godbrother..
Yes, Gargamuni went too far when he said, All of them. Some of Srila Prabhupada's Godbrothers were bonafide.@@sukasari7582
@@sukasari7582 ... whom he took sannyasa initiation from
I am strict iskcon and prabhupada follower since 15 yrs , But your explanation is so dull and irritating that you proved that you are not vaishnav. A real Vaishnav can never criticize another vaishnav even he criticize them . You don't follow prabhupada , you don't know prabhupada real mood . Your every words are so offensive that I can't hear further . I will never hear from you again and sorry I don't wanna see you again . Radharani knows how to treat you .
nitya-shuddha gyan bastu baishnab sakal,
tobe je koloho dekho sob kutuhol.
iha na bujhiye kono kono buddhi nash,
eke bonde, ar ninde, jaibeko nash.”
Meaning - “All Vaishnavs are eternally pure and have pure knowledge, when you see them quarrel it is only in play. Some foolish people don’t understand this and take sides. They praise one and criticize the other - they will surely perish.”
Therefore we must think - “It is only a leela of the Vaishnavs. I am foolish, so am unable to comprehend” and we must not take sides. If you support one and find fault with the other, you will harm your bhajan.
Srila Prabhupada said that all his godbrothers went back to Godhead. I wonder if Srila Prabhupada is pleased for Gargamuni Prabhu to say that ALL of Srila Prabhupada's godbrothers are hypocrites and ALL of his godbrothers are not pure ? It is Srila Prabhupada's perogative to speak like this but can we ?
Glenn Powell very well said
+Glenn Powell being a rascal and going back to Godhead are different things.
If u can't understand how this is.
Don't ask me. And don't comment on my vids.
U fool
we can repeat sp purport in cc there our 25 of them its not my words
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@@vediciskcon7165 no need to use offensive language, right?
Excuse me, Madhukara Prabhu, are you saying by analogy "a dog to fetch the shoes or guard the house at night" that the comparison is Srila BV Narayana Maharaja is like a dog? Those are pretty offensive terms to apply to a senior Vaisnava, one who served our Srila Prabhupada many in more ways than you could ever imagine. Apparently you are blind with envy or rage also of the service SNM did for Srila Prabhupada before you entered ISKCON. Did you read any of the 300 letters that Srila Prabhupada wrote SNM? Were you there when SNM led the parikrama around Vrndavana at all the temples? And when were you born? I can guarantee than he was serving Srila Kesava Maharaja, Prabhupada's sannyasa guru, before you were born. What I saying is that Gargamuni Prabhu is not a pristine example of a judge of someone so senior as Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja. Rather, he is junior in countless ways. This is not a debate to denounce either. I respect the service Gargamuni Prabhu for his previous service to Srila Prabhupada. But, on the other hand, to find fault in senior Vaisnavas outside of ISKCON is a dangerous sectarian mentality. Once Srila Prabhupada stopped Gurukrpa Prabhu in his tracks when he was going to criticize Gandhi. He told him flatly, "You do not know how to criticize Gandhi. I can but cannot..." So, if you have facts that Srila Narayana Maharaja blasphemed or unknowingly criticized Srila Prabhupada, then please give an example rather than name-calling or beating him with a stick as logic goes. I have first-hand experience of both, service to Srila Prabhupada and Srila Narayana Maharaja. I saw the love and concern between both, especially when there is proof that Srila Prabhupada asked Srila Narayana Maharaja to help his disciples. I suspect you do not know the history of Gargamuni Prabhu or SNarayana Maharaja to post such an unjustified interview.
YOU FOREIGNERS CAN NEVER NEVER NEVER IN THIS LIFE BECOME PURIFIED , YOU ACT AS A CHANDAL ...YOU SEE THIS VIDEO PROOVES SO
Maybe he knew something you did not. You have misunderstood once again. He dealt with many of his godbrothers in a very different vaishnava ways. You are taking so many instances out of context and using this to vilify all of his godbrother. S.P. asked Srila Raksak Sridhar Maharaj to become the president of ISKCON. He sent devotees to hear from Srila Sridhar Maharaja. It was not in his nature so S.P. accepted this and continued on with his mission. He did not vilify Sridhar Mharaj like you do. Achuytananda das lived at the Madhva Maharaj ashram in Calcutta. There are many letters from Srila Narayana Maharaja to S.P. which showed great affection for S.P. yet your leaders and the real envious people burned them up. S.P. wrote to many godbrothers and asked for assistance, some helped some did not, life goes on. Many of your godbrothers treated you with disrespect, so is that an excuse to vilify? The art of discrimination is required, not the art of vilifying vaishnavas. You are not an authority on all things vaishnava. You know some things but you do not know all things. Thus your interpretation of exchanges between vaishnavas may be flawed, so you should tread lightly when entering the arena of advanced devotees. Many arguments are exchanged between vaishnavas and it is not for you to interpret what they are doing. It is like a husband and wife having an argument and a neighbor butts in with a stupid comment. He does not know the back story, so there is no benefit to his comment. This applies to you Mr. Gargamuni or should we say Mr. Garga-money. Be careful, pledging allegiance to the fictional Srila Prabhupada that has been created over the years by the ISKCON controllers is a deadly path. Find out the real Srila Prabhupada before claiming you know what is what.
+Martin Davidson maybe maybe not. Don't start your arguments with maybe. Maybe you keep your stupid mouth shut or choose to refer to gargamuni as gargamuni, you rascal
Sridhar Mahraja is the one who elected an Acarya right away. He is behind the situation of the GM.
@@vediciskcon7165 Maybe you should think before you speak. Srila Prabhupada called Gargamuni, Gargamoney. You don't know history so maybe you should keep your comments to yourself. Gargamoney was once a sannyasi. Ask him what happened to his vow to his spiritual master.
@@jackbootshamangaming4541 Really...is that all you know? What goes on between transcendental godbrothers is not for your analysis. You have no idea what transpires between these personalities. A conditioned soul dares to say what is what with all acharyas. Sorry we ain't buying your speculation.
@@truthseekerdiggingdeeper234 I'm not just quoting him. Srila ACBVSP did say Sridhar was behind it. IDK how you can explain that away. I personally don't care either what happened, IGM business doesn't interest me much. I'm more interested with Raganuga Bhatki.
The truth regarding Srila Narayan Maharaja and sahajiya ...(From a class delivered in Badger, May 7 2001 on the glories of Govardhan)
Narayana Maharaja:"
Nowadays this has become very cheap. I don’t want to make this subject cheap. This is the most confidential treasure which must be kept only in our hearts. So many times I have told my devotees, my sannyasis, brahmacaris, and preachers, "Be very careful about this. This is not a thing to be given in the fish market or airport or any other such place. Keep it secret." If a woman has love for someone other than her husband, will she tell this fact to her father, mother, husband, or any friend? TRY TO CONCEAL THIS, as Mahaprabhu has advised. Otherwise, we will lose what we are getting and lust will come in its place. This is what is going on at the present time.
Now I see that the Iskcon devotees have translated Govinda Lilamrta, Krsna Bhavanamrta, and books that are still more confidential than these. They have translated so many books and they are reading them. It is a very strange phenomenon, and now the same thing is going on here. I want to warn you.
Be like Govardhana who concealed everything. He became a stone, and that is why Radha and Krsna and all the gopis have no shame at all in front of him. They have no shame in front of his mountains, hills, and rivers. These entities have life, but they will not disclose anything to others. If you are naked in front of a mirror, is there any harm or any shame? No. This is because a mirror has no life.
Similarly, Giriraja becomes like this mirror. He never tells what he has seen of the confidential pastimes of Radha and Krsna to anyone. I THEREFORE REQUEST MY DEVOTEES THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BROADCAST ALL THESE HIGH-CLASS SUBJECTS. IF THEY ARE FORTUNATE TO HEAR SOMETHING, THEY SHOULD KEEP THAT IN THEIR HEARTS.
Be like Sri Raya Ramananda, Sri Svarupa Damodara, Srimati Madhavi devi and others. Even Srila Rupa Gosvami and Srila Raghunatha dasa Gosvami were not at the Gambhira. We, on the other hand, have made these topics very, very cheap. We distribute them everywhere in the market. I DON’T WANT THIS. BY DOING THIS YOU WILL BECOME VERY LUSTY. AT THIS STAGE, DON’T READ ALL THESE CONFIDENTIAL BOOKS. RATHER, YOU SHOULD TRY TO FOLLOW VAIDHI-BHAKTI AND READ CAITANYA-CARITAMRTA.
Read all the prescribed books, especially those of Rupa Gosvami and Raghunatha dasa Gosvami, like Upadesamrta and Manah-siksa. You can also read the books of Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura and Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura.
Srila Prabhupada was very much against revealing all these topics in public. He knew all these subjects, and he knew that these are the best of subjects, but for beginners they are to be hidden."
(From a class delivered in Badger, May 7 2001 on the glories of Govardhan)
Ps.
Srila Narayana Maharaja always spoke and wrote like that. I never heard any different. So don't believe anyone who tells you differently.
This is for you Manikar das, you who like to tell people to shut up and accuse them of being rascals. Letter to Gargamoney from Srila Prabhupada dated Sept. 25 1970 from Calcutta India to Buffalo, New York. Reads as follows....."My Dear Gargamuni Maharaja,(Yeah he was once a maharaja, fallen from that position) Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated September 12, 1970 and have noted the content very carefully.
I think you will remember that I called you not Gargamuni but Gargamoney. So whenever I required some money I approached you and you were kind to pay me immediately. So please continue your capacity in this way to supply money to the society. That will please Krishna."
Well Well Mr. Manikar Das you must eat your offensive words. And by the way, open that closed mind of yours and realize ISKCON is not the be-all and end-all of spiritual institutions. Their rise to prominence is not only due to S.P. but the whole of the guru parampara as S.P. many times remarked that he was only a peon trying to serve his spiritual master. You and that silly Mukunda das have fallen so far off the bhakti wagon that you can no longer identify a REAL vaishnava and you are only left with these aging old warhorses who actually did some thing in the service of their spiritual master by his causeless mercy. They are now trying to cash in their bhakti credits before the Lord of death pays them a visit and presents the FULL tally of their life's activities, both the good and the bad. Yes there is a back story to all of us who claim to have rendered some menial service to those elevated Mahabhagavats. Not all those years can be claimed to have been filled with pure devotion. If we are at all to be honest. I forgive you for your foolishness, but don't do it again.
Ways to avoid vaishnava aparadha
1. We should always remain engrossed in bhajan and sadhana.
2. We should not discuss anything else other than God.
3. We should speak with anyone only when it is absolutely necessary to do so.
4. We should walk on the road with our head lowered and palms joined - thus showing respect to everyone.
5. It is best to consider everyone superior to us.
6. When one comes to us and critisizes another person we should say, “I have remembered some urgent work” and quickly leave that place.
7. If we ever see some fault in another, we should think, “my heart is evil, so I am finding a fault in him, it is my fault and not his.” In this manner, we must chastise ourselves.
If we do not live like this, we shall never get rid of aparadhas and these huge barricades will continue to block our progress in bhakti. We will never even realize when, unknown to us, these aparadhas have accumulated and have formed mountains on our path.
Very nicely put, prabhu !
real sadhu is recognized by result not by words like Srila Prabhupada.see others I miss not committing aparaths but showing the truth. Bangalore
Don't need to go anywhere, we should just follow the instructions of Srilla Prabhupada, Hare Krisna, Jay Srilla Prabhupada, Dandwat Pranam!
Excuse me Manikar Das, but I served in Gargamuni Prabhu's party in India. At that time Srila Prabhupada told him to do one thing: "Chant your rounds!" How am I blaspheming my godbrother by telling that he should be very aware of the assistance that Srila Narayana Maharaja did for Srila Prabhupada. By the way, I don't even think you are initiated by Srila Prabhupada. If so, you wouldn't resort to low-class phrases like "worm in stool." I've known Gargamuni longer than you, I am sure of that. The point is here is that he telling untrue things about Srila Prabhupad. At the end of Srila Prabhupada's glorious manifest life, he said the war with the Gaudiya Math is over. You have no idea the glories of Srila Prabhupada and moreover the glories of Srila Narayana Maharaja. This video by Gargamuni Prabhu does him injustice. He did some wonderful service to Srila Prabhupada, but to discredit another Vaisnava of the calibre of Srila Narayana Maharaja shows that he never really knew him or understood him. I am pretty sure to say that Srila Narayana Maharaja was a sannyasi serving Srila Bhakti Prajnana Kesava Maharaja, our Srila Prabhupada, before you were born. So, you should not come over emotionally blind with criticizes against the Gaudiya Math or such a close friend of our Srila Prabhupada like you do. If you want to have a rational discussion about these topics, I am ready. But we should avoid criticizing other devotees, that's all I ask.
+Tirthapad Das here is your rational discussion
“I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. (Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga 4/28/74)
“They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success.
“In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
“He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya.
“His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected.
“So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year.
“Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.
Why would any diciple of S.Prabhupada glorify his godbrother that is a bad wife.
Jay srila prabhupad ki jay Jagannath
This video is completely bogus. It is because of hateful videos such as these that the "war" has continued. Srila Prabhupada said "the war is over" and begged for forgiveness from the GM, basically saying that sometimes we say things we dont mean. Besides if SP rejected the GM as useless, it would be a terrible offense to His spiritual master and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta maharajas 10s of 1000s of disciples.
It be like saying "Oh gurudeva (SBSM) all your preaching was useless because your whole GM is bogus." Obviously to think that this was Srila Prabhupadas mood is deeply offensive in itself. Iskcon actually preaches this and its spiritually a very dangerous situation. Dont let big buildings opulent deity worship and money eg fool you.
Srila Prabhupada did not even know all of SBSM disciples, only a few and it is clear, that He spoke only about a few selective ones. When He said "all" He obviously He referred to all of those He mentioned by name. Not All of the GM. I would have thought that this is clear to straight thinking people, but no, obviously not. And the GBC is allowing this to go on, just see how this is a very bad situation for iskcon and those who preach this nonsense.
I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. (Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga 4/28/74)
“They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success.
“In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
“He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya.
“His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected.
“So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year.
“Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.
नारायण महाराज जैसे वैष्णवो की निन्दा करना अपना सर्वनाश करना है
इसलिए सावधान
वैष्णव अपराध खतरनाक होता है
Excuse my mistake for the names, I was addressing a "Madhukara Prabhu" but I now notice it was "Manikara" which I don't know what that means. Can you please explain your name and where you got it? Respectfully, I have never heard of such a name. Who has given such a name to such a good standing devotee as you? Thank you for this discussion, but it should not degrade into criticizing Vaisnavas. Otherwise, we should question the motives behind the stances each person takes. My stance is the defense of my Srila Prabhupada and his dear friend and long-time associate, Srila Narayana Maharaja. Clearly, what is yours? Is it your defense of Gargamuni Prabhu or simply a defense of Srila Prabhupada by attacking Srila Narayana Maharaja? Please, give facts, not opinions.
This is the heart of a Vantasi. Please don't listen to it.
You cant blame them for not wanting to eat our offerings . A little humilty please . Hes really lost the plot by critizing Prabhupadas godbrothers when he told his disciples not to critize them . He said he can critize them , but we cannot . Sad to see Garga Muni being so offensive
Prabhu also vehemently said do not go to.my Godbrothers they are envious snakes,do mot read their literatures yet so many of his diciples went and praised them etc.and took re in itiation do basically slapping S.Prabhupads face.I go with Gargamuni d.
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Then why did SP tell Srila NM to do his samadhi ceremony?
@@excan1 Marcus Garvey famously wrote: “A people without knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots”
@@excan1 Marcus Garvey famously wrote: “A people without knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots”
Instead of fighting maya you fight with each othere .Im sure God is very happy with you
Actually Krishna enjoys it too 😂
Many bogus guru in isckon
We dont hate iskon
Srila A.C
Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada deviated from Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati
Thakur in Form but not in Spirit
Similarly Srila
Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupada deviated from Srila Bhaktivinode
Thakur in Form but not in Spirit
Below are a
transcription of a Conversation with Srila Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar Dev-Goswami
Maharaj . Reference is : TH-cam Video
- Srila B.R Sridhar Dev-Goswami Maharaj
- Nuestro Amado Guardian . Go to 1:45
minute on video
Our Guru Maharaj Did ;
then to the Sanyasi. Swami Maharaj ( A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami
Prabhupada ) deviated from that , but I; Though other Godbrothers
they Feel something different, I don't Feel so
Because he was more
Grand range in magnitude and circumstance was also very different than that of
India. So this sort of freedom he must have to adjust with the
circumstances, given the nature. ..... " Unclear Audio"
This Latitude he must,
should enjoy.
Enjoy means He
must found such inspiration from within for greater recommendation. So
naming and so many things are different. But we have to see the
Spirit within not the outer thing
And Prabhupada (
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur Prabhupada ) also formerly, He
seemed to deviate from Bhaktivinode Thakur
Bhaktivinode Thakur
laid stress on the household life and he was very much afraid of the renounced
life. Life of renunciation. .... That may be very grieved and
serious and may be reactionary
But Prabhupada, He
came with such an organisation. .... He get some chance for what is not
generally available. ... That Vaishnava Seva .... Vaishnava
association..... Sadhu sanga
What is the most
indispensable necessity in the life of a Sadhaka.... That is Sadhu Sanga. He
made arrangement with Sadhu Sanga available to many. And so He took
bold step to collect persons from different stages, To draw them in and
give them chance of Divine service under the guidance of a Vaishnava. ....
Vaishnava Seva
Always hearing, Always
engagement
And so his deviation
from Bhaktivinode Thakur was Amply compensated by other aspects. So that
deviation is no deviation in Spirit but in Form
Swami Maharaj also had
deviation formerly in many cases But the Spirit is intact there . Who
have eye to see that, they will embrace them (Iskcon).
Otherwise others will
murmur That he took the name of Prabhupada, Himself, of his Guru
His Guru had reverence
for Bhaktivinode Thakur's name And he has given this Vivekananda
RamaKrishna Mission. They generally use this Ananda in the
Sanyasi..... But our Prabhupada did not , so deviation from
Prabhupada
All this sort of
accusing may come on Swami Maharaj, Deviation from his own Guru.
........ But one who has got eye to see the Spirit within. He
won't care for this change in Formality. He will see the inner thing and not
the external
And one who has got
such a High degree of distributing Himself. He must be given by the
Higher Authority some Latitude; Magnitude of extending himself in some
Original way
How rubbish was
You did not listen prabhupads last order
B.v. Narayan goswami mhrj never did this
He was the only one to receive him the first time he came back
He himself preached westerners
Gaudiya math have so many foriegners.
And if so why did prabhupad asked B.V. NARAYAN GOSWI MHRJ TO GI E HIS SAMADHI.
You people have vanished all the letters between prabhupad and Narayan Maharaj
You have edited prabhupad books according to your convenience.
Srila prabhupad said all of you to take instruction from Narayan Maharaj while departing, did you accept his instruction.
No you didn't why?
Don't make me helpless to expose you there are many true things I can say note baseless accuses.
Srila Prabhupad,advised us not to go to the Gaudiya Math
This is such a disgrace to even be spoken of and such a speaker is a hypocrite because if u were a devotee u would leave that in the hands of the lord. Devotees are sometimes like crabs in barrel
The lecture and your display shows how much envy you have got towards all the godbrothers of Srila Prabhupad. You will definitely go back to Godhead, as you personally knew all godbrothers of Srila Prabhupad and I guess you also knew Srila Prabhupad's spiritual master.
They are not envy
Truth
You will not find people in hell too
You are so called devotees
~*~*~*~*~*~
~Prabhupada Morning Walk March 17, 1974, Vrindavana~
Money is the Honey! Narayana Maharaja is just after western money and collecting cheap disciples.~
~*~*~*~*~*~
There is a wonderful recording from May 3,1976 Honolulu Hi Temple with Srila Prabhupada expressing His ReQuests~*~
hi. jonathan fake one... Humer
Really? Are you blind to Srila Narayana Maharaja's help for Srila Prabhupada throughout his 60 years as a Vaisnava disciple of Srila BP Kesava Maharaja, our Srila Prabhupada's sannyasa guru? When one criticizes such a senior Vaisnava like Srila Narayana Maharaja, you point one finger at him and three at yourself! Those who never got the association of Srila Narayana missed out on one of the most glorious Vaisnavas of the century. Unfortunately, devotees who are quick to criticize and condemn Gaudiya Vaisnavas outside of ISKCON are buried in their own materialistic desires. Maybe, you should read some of his books, or listen to his lectures before you are quick to condemn. Count the number of devotees of Srila Prabhupada that were floundering in maya after Prabhupada left and see how he made them come back and serve our Srila Prabhupada once again. He did wonderful service for Srila Prabhupada both when he was on the planet and when Srila Prabhupada entered nitya-lila.
+Tirthapad Das he has given duplicitous help to iskcon. Thanks for that. But over all SP wanted to avoid all god brothers.
See here, and don't speak lies you little gaudiya cheating rascal
“I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. (Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga 4/28/74)
“They have no idea or brain how to broacast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success.
“In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
“He never recommended anyone to be acarya of the Gaudiya Math. But Sridhara Maharaja is responsible for disobeying this order of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya.
“His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected.
“So Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen unauthorizedly selected one acarya and later it proved a failure. The result is now everyone is claiming to be acarya even though they may be kanistha adhikari with no ability to preach. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year.
“Therefore we may not commit the same mistake in our ISKCON camp. Actually amongst my Godbrothers no one is qualified to become acarya. So it is better not to mix with my Godbrothers very intimately because instead of inspiring our students and disciples they may sometimes pollute them. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. We shall be very careful about them and not mix with them. This is my instruction to you all. They cannot help us in our movement, but they are very competent to harm our natural progress. So we must be very careful about them.
Where is your statement here: prabhupadavani.org/transcriptions/740317mwvrn/
Offender, I am Iskcon Devotee , where is your statement ? .prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1974/mar/morning_walk/vrndavana/march/17/1974?d=1 People like you destroying Iskcon soon. Offensive mentality is overcrowding everywhere in iskcon .
"All Prabhupad brothers are hypocrites" you will burn in hell
Thank you for publishing this video.
Nm is showy .
That NM was non sense. He is just a sahajiya....tried to spoil SP teachings by capturing some of his disciples... I also believe that, if the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada is true, it is this guy's to be doubted first......
+Prafulla Seelam Prabhupada was not poisoned. But Narayanm poisoned the minds of poor devotees of iskcon
+Prafulla Seelam Prabhupada was not poisoned. But Narayanm poisoned the minds of poor devotees of iskcon
+Prafulla Seelam yes he's was fully nonsense. We should fully the reject all Gaudiya math. We have enough advanced devotees in iskcon to hear from
"reject all Gaudiya math." not even obeisances?
+Bhakta Singh yes no obeisances to the envious
Yet so called foreigners as the “chandala” 😂😂😂
Won’t take the prasad but will happily take the money/donations etc
Srila Narayana Maharaja is a pure devotee