Lenovo A485: AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 2500U ThinkPad w/ Radeon Vega Gfx!
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- The year of #AMD #ThinkPad's has finally arrived! Let's unbox the Lenovo #A485 ThinkPad w/ AMD & Vega graphics and also take a first peek on how it works w/ #Linux. #Ad: laptops & more @Amazon: services.exact... You can support my work at: / renerebe
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Danke schön, René, for this review. As a Linux & AMD user myself, I was pleasantly surprised to find someone reviewing the A485 in a way so specifically useful and pertinent to me.
Just FYI, I bought one for my wife (2700U model) and your videos are a big reason for helping me feel comfortable that. I installed Fedora 29 and so far so good. :-)
Hayırlı olsun! Rène , that's a really good laptop, i personally like amd laptops because they even work with really old distros out-of-box with full hardware acceleration
Btw amd responded to my bisect results and i am just happy today.
Have a nice day!
nice, and what did you bisect? ;-)
@@renerebe rx 540 gpu kernel bug: bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=201077
Now it just needs 120hz+ display and ECC RAM. Hopefully they keep Vega GPUs in the next model.
I had a similar issue (aluminium case and weird sensation when touching when connected to mains power) back in the day with an ultrabook. The solution for me was to make sure that all 3 connections (phase 1, phase 2 + earth) are connected to the power supply, maybe get another power supply or something. Some cheap travel power adapters might also not forward the earth connection properly.
The Mac power supplies are usually used without any ground connected! :-/
I always wanted a Ryzen laptop, I really like this laptop.
Yep me too, hope they get their cTDP limit fixed in a bios update soon!
@@renerebe did they ever fix it? should i get one of these?
I hope Lenovo will add firmware updates for the A485 and both the E585 & E485 to the Linux Firmware Vendor Service (LFVS). There are already a number of ThinkPads supported. I hope the Ryzen powered ones will be added soon
yep, that would indeed be helpful! ;-)
In the mean time, you can recompile kernel 4.10+ to get ryzen features
mzamroni I was running 4.18/4.19. What do you mean?
great video, i also have the issue with mild electric shock from metal laptop bodies. its bad with my surface book, but i have had alot of issues with that . the a485 gets a lot of negative reviews, mostly about linux support and the battery life. which is a shame as i like the idea of an AMD thinkpad... im still thinking about buying one..
The AMD ThinkPad worked great for me (except maybe an headset microphone w/ ALSA), only cooling (thus performance) and battery life could have been better. I hope Lenovo updates the AMD models this year. Maybe write them an email that you would be interested in a better cooled, higher performance models. Maybe it helps if they get enough feedback ;-)
Schönes Gerät, ich habe hier das kleinere E485, ebenso mit Ryzen. Läuft super unter Arch Linux.
Guten Tag, das interessiert mich sehr. Habe ebenfalls das E485 unter LinuxMint 19.1, Arch läuft bei mir in der VM und auf einem Experimentalsystem, kenne mich damit teilweise auch aus. Unter LM ist mein größtes Problem, dass 3D-Anwendungen nicht im Multithreading laufen, ist unter Intel kein Problem. Nach solchen Anwendungen kommt es auch häufig zu Abstürzen. Würde mich interessieren, welche Kernel-Konfiguration Sie benutzen (einfach Stock-Arch? Oder angepasst?). Modeset läuft bei mir richtig schlecht, amdgpu dafür sehr viel besser. IOMMU habe ich auf passtrough ("pt") gestellt, erzeugt noch die journalctl-Meldung "AMD Vi: Unable to write to IOMMU perf counter" bzw. "can' derive routing for PCI INT A ... PCI INT A: not connected".
Looks like a solid offering from Lenovo, great to see Ryzen in a quality machine. It's a shame that Ryzen is relegated to a sub model and not offered alongside Intel in all models, though.
Good choice of headphones btw, they're a bargain considering the quality (have some myself :) )
Isn't the A series just a rebadged T anyways?
Probably. The issue with segmenting the product this way it that it positions the AMD platform as a lesser alternative. The main product lines (T series etc.) are the ones that get heavy marketing, get pushed by sales representatives, get built in huge numbers etc.
Performance wise how does it compare with the i5-8250u version? I know about the battery. But I can’t find no useful info about the practical performance. I might be able to get A285 for a really good price if it’s good enough.
It was good , but of course the new
AMD are even better
@@renerebe good to know! Unfortunately I won't be able to get a 4th gen Ryzen. Not now at least. The price of them are unfeasible to buy from eBay and whatnot. And they don't sell in my country. But seriously, thank you. If the 2500u can compete with the i5-8250u it will be awesome and it can probably last a few years as well. That's what I am hoping with this deal.
Good review, tho is it libreboot compatible?
I doubt it, it usually takes many years until latest stay of the art chipset and memory controller bits and specifications are release. I don’t like this and regularly call for vendors to release specs on my channel, especially NVIDIA, ..! :-/
Can you check config then see if there is a cTDP adjustment option somewhere (in the BIOS)?
did not see it while scrolling thru the BIOS, most is shown in the video, too! just double checked, no cTPD - only "on AC" and "on battery": "max performance" vs. "battery optimised" options.
i watched the video, you didnt go into each of the submenu's thats why I asked :D
Thanks for checking however, that sucks no cTDP control!
You still have that device?
What does dmesg | grep -i tpm say?
The only downside is the 14" and price....
IPS panel?
Don't have the device, as I said review unit. PS: what exactly are you looking for / wondering about?
@@renerebe apparently tpm is a cryptoprocessor, my results confirm that:
utku@utku-Linux:~$ dmesg | grep -i tpm
[ 0.000000] ACPI: TPM2 0x00000000BFBD7000 000034 (v03 ACRSYS ACRPRDCT 00000002 1025 00040000)
[ 1.109828] tpm_crb MSFT0101:00: can't request region for resource [mem 0xbfbb9000-0xbfbbcfff]
[ 1.109907] tpm_crb: probe of MSFT0101:00 failed with error -16
[ 1.168541] ima: No TPM chip found, activating TPM-bypass! (rc=-19)
i don't have one
Would be great except that AMD doesn't support Vega M properly in their Linux compute drivers. If that was fixed then this would be great for GPU compute on the go. But for now the only solutions are Nvidia.
I’m pretty happy with Mesa/llvm - what are you missing?
The AMD ROCm stack provides support for OpenCL and AMDs easy to use parallel compute API HC (based off C++ AMP). But their hardware page rocm.github.io/hardware.html states that the Raven Ridge APU (I believe what this laptop uses) is not properly supported. If it was supported it would be possible to run CUDA code by hipifying it (see ROCm github) this uses HCC. But with the current support I think only OpenCL is working just not the fancy HCC and HIP stuff.
Another question. I heard this laptop comes with alot of blotware. If I were to use linux and revert to windows, could I just format the ssd and reinstall windows 10 from a usb. Will windows activation be a problem??? Do I just install the drivers from the Lenovo Website??
Sure, and I would never use a factory pre-installed Windows due security concerns. I think with all latest years pre-installed Windows you need to save the license key serial with some tool to be able to re-activate it after a complete wipe and fresh re-install (or it might be stored in the BIOS nvram and that might still work).
@@renerebe The sticker in the back of laptop has the oem windows key right??? Can I just put that in when in when I install windows ??
as I often say I come for Linux and macOS, so not the greatest Windows expert, however, I thought most last years machine do not come with a hardcopy printed Windows license key anymore, and only with a software one on the NVRAM / Windows install. That is why I said there are tools to make it visible and save / backup it, ..!
@@renerebe Thanks so much for the information. I am used to the laptops that have the key in the back of them. I saw a tutorial by level1tech so now I know how to reserve key so I am good now.
Très bonne présentation ! Danke !
Rene, if you have an opportunity could you try swapping in a different wifi card and see if it boots? Many Thinkpads whitelist the cards so you can't upgrade them later on.
I may not have another around, but their configurator mentions something about some "Intel card option that is not yet certified". So it sounds like there will be at least another option, eventually, ...
I ordered 8GB DDR4 SO_DIMM memory though, let's see how that affects performance ;-)
How is linux compatibility at this stage . Thinking of getting this and install arch Linux with no hiccups.
Well, it worked for me for as good as seen in the video the other quarter when I had the review sample, IIRC, everything except the headset microphone. Did not test the webcam nor optional fingerprint reader though, not really using those ,-)
I was able to install Fedora 29 without any problems so far. I did have to use SysRescCd to resize the main NTFS partition to make room, but no problem after that.
IIRC I resized partitions also directly from within Windows (if I don’t just delete it) - does that sometimes not work in some configuration ?
@@renerebe I don't know. I am used to doing it with GParted. I did need to figure out how to fully shutdown Windows 10 by disabling Quick Start.
@@basilmgohar Ya Windows 10 never shutdowns only hibernates, that is why boot ups are really fast. That is why the first thing I do when I install windows is disable fastboot in windows so the OS always fully shutdown completely. Did you have to also disable uefi keys to use linux ????
Do you use the Mesa drivers? are they any good with xserver and wayland. I have never actually used linux so I want to know how well the open source drivers of AMD work in linux with this hardware.
Price please
It's some years old by now, right ?
Where did you get it? It says coming soon on their website and I can't find it on amazon.
In Lenovo's German online store there are "a little bit" available: www.lenovo.com/de/de/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-a-series/ThinkPad-A485/p/22TP2TAA485 - but as I mentioned this is a review sample Lenovo send me for three weeks to test. I also wonder what is up with availability, if AMD's foundries can not produce more chips, or if Intel is paying partners to delay and cancel products, ... I honestly have no idea, and if someone knows inside stories please let us know! ;-)
How does this compare to the ThinkPad X1 Extreme (with the GeForce 1050 Ti or the ThinkPad P1 for that matter with a clean Linux install)?
Mainly it would be used for:
- Compiling source code
- Running Blender
- Building and running Docker containers
Anyone is welcomed to give me some feedback.
I REALLY would like to know an aswer to this question too. Would this AMD equipped laptop a viable alternative to the Nvidia ones for using Blender (3D modelling program) and CAD programs?
I prefer amd due their open source linux drivers, also do not have the X1 to compare or run benchmarks.
The X1 is almost 3x price of this I think?
X1 extreme is way faster
Also more expense and louder, ..?
For some reason the fans on it are super loud when running Linux, or when I charge the laptop. Do you have the same experience ?
I had it for a Test, but I don't remember the fans to be loud. Maybe my linux is just efficient and well tuned though.
@@renerebe on Ubuntu it is loud just from media installation USB stick. When running TH-cam fans immediately tick on. It is not an A485 it is a e585.
@@tfyufgu1311 interesting, the E485 is higher performance with two heatpipes though, did not had fan noise on the A series, but many people wrote me they prefer the higher performance E
I use arch btw
What's the screen resolution on this laptop?
Iirc this had full hd
what is the name of this vulkan benchmark you ran ?
Example code / demos - iirc: github.com/SaschaWillems/Vulkan
do you think this could handle UE4?
Sorry, don't really have a performance comparison for that. For future reference, you want some game or just the game engine SDK benchmarked?
Just the engine, If you could do a CAD benchmark + UE4 that would be great for people who don't need/want to pay for gaming specs but just need reasonable CAD performance
I am not an expert and I cant find anything anywhere about this one laptop, one PRO reccomended it to me and believe him but could anyone give me some info about laptop "lenovo thinkpad e585, ryzen 5 2500u, 8gb RAM, 1TB HDD, 255 GB SSD with windows 10 pro 64 bit?
Is this all a good combination, can it perform decent multiplayer games, and is it good enough for an amateur ME, i am not good with money and I dont want to waste any, help me please? give me anything...
Can you please tell me if this can be used eith a docking station? I didn't notice any holes in the base unlike t470
they have a new ThinkPad Pro Dock, that docks at the side with the USB-C and it looks like some additional pins next to it - can't find a product page right now, but it is shown on the A485 overview page: www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-a-series/ThinkPad-A485/p/22TP2TAA485
@@renerebe thank you for your fast reply! I have liked and subscribed your video :)
thank you too!
How to shut down this laptop plz tell me sir because I have this laptop
And plz tell mr short cut key for this laptop
I really sinkt quite understand your issue and question. Beside from using the operations system UI control it has a power button ..!?
bluetooth on this machine doesn't work on Linux
You (still) say IBM ThinkPad.
did I, which time marker? 0:32 AMD ThinkPad?
@@renerebe It's Lenovo Thinkpad :)
@@roelpastors9588 obviously & unfortuantely, ... did I misspoke or say AMD ThinkPad ? ;-)
@@renerebe at around 0:51 you said IBM ThinkPad. But it was changed to Lenovo in 2005.
I tried manjaro 18 with kernel 19.1 on a ryzen 2500U laptop and it didn't work.
can you be more specific than "did not work"? Issue, error messages etc. I do not use other Linux distributions though. All this systemd and vendor patches make me depressive. So I only use and test our build from nearly vanilla source™#t2sde, …
@@renerebe I tried several distribution on the laptop. Some wouldn't even boot into the live session. I tried various boot parameters like acpi=off, etc. I was able to install some like Linux mint 19 and Manjaro. Linux Mint ran in software rendering mode. Updating the kernel to 4.19 made no difference. Manjaro 18 could never boot in to the dektop after installation and updating to latest kernel. I always got a long list of errors while hooting. The errors had work arounds but no Solutions.
acpi=off is a really old thing, that usually wrecks more havoc than it helps noways. As I run my own Rock Linux now T2 Linux source distribution I can also not comment what other distributions have done there. PS. maybe they have the AMDGPU DC not enabled of the firmware missing.
Apparently, according to a reddit user, this kernel parameter allows certain distros to boot fine (tested with newest Fedora release on this laptop): ivrs_ioapic[32]=00:14.0
interesting that it worked for me, although I think I even had IOMMU enabled, ..?
Ich überlege gerade mit ein Lenovo Laptop zu kaufen weil ich ein Gerät möchte das Lange hält und mit dem ich keine probleme bekomme.
Wäre cool wenn mir jemand helfen könnte zu entscheiden was mehr sinn macht ein ideapad oder thinkpad für unter 600€. Würde gerne dual booten weiß nicht ob alle distros mit ryzen prozessoren so gut klar kommen😅
Die ThinkPads sind etwas besser verarbeitet, haben eine etwas Wasser geschützte Tastatur und so. Ryzen CPU is größtenteils irrelevant für das OS. Was mehr aktuelle Treiber benötigt ist die integrierte Vega GPU. Bei mir lief alles super, und ansonsten ist es nur die installation der richtigen, aktuellen Treiber.
@@renerebe ich schwanke noch etwas weil eben die think pads doch deutlich schwerer sind als die ideapad Reihe und ich nicht weiß ob ich das Gewicht wirklich tragen möchte andererseits sind thinkpads wahrscheinlich auch durchaus stabiler im Alltag weil sie ja dafür gebaut wurden 🤔
Aber danke auf jeden Fall dann weiß ich schonmal das es nicht unbedingt immer Intel sein muss. Weil bisher war ich da doch recht unsicher
@@kal3198 also ich fand jetzt so ein A485 nicht wirklich schwer. Bei 2kg ja, klar, aber 1,ein-bisschen? ThinkPads kann man bei bedarf natürlich auch besser reparieren, Ersatzteile und so.
@@renerebe hast du wohl recht Dankeschön für die Hilfe
What the distro?
t2sde.org
not waiting for 4.20, do you enjoy NSA speck
?
hey , can someone please make a tutorial or write how to install ubuntu on this maschine. I have a e485 with same spec and cant make it , i tried with ivrs_ioapic[32]=00:14.0 spec_store_bypass_disable=prctl
ivrs_ioapic[33]=00:00.1
nomodeset, iskljucen security boot , uefi boot
nothing helps, i only get the black screen after try or install ubuntu. Can someone help me or do i need to sell the laptop xD
Tnx and best regards
likely no amdgpu DisplayControler code in the kernel, and/or the latest GPU firmware missing in /lib/firmware/, …
@@renerebe i did it only no cpu drivers
Dieses "deutsche" Englisch ist echt schrecklich.
"Se sinkpäd". "ei test se sipiju performanz"
"so sen ei wud say"
Machs doch auf Deutsch ... Englisch können und Englisch sprechen können sind echt 2 verschiedene Dinge.
Kannst du es besser?
Nur weil man die "Mach es doch besser" Keule schwingt, wird dadurch der eigene Makel nicht besser.
ProloGaming was schlägt du vor, Endlösung? Umgehende Liquidierung?
Na da kann ja jemand gut mit Kritik umgehen.
Nur "super, toll weiter so" Kommentare erwünscht :D
ProloGaming wenn du es nicht besser kannst brauchst du hier auch nich rumtrollen; bisher hat sich noch kein Engländer oder Amerikaner beschwert. wenn es dir nicht gefällt brauchst du es auch nicht kostenlos anschauen.
da kann man echt nicht zuhören, sry
Warum, zu Englisch oder etwas anders?