Found this years later in 2020 when it's now normal for Christians to be very affirming of the LGTBQ+ community and I have no idea how to address some of the points they bring up. This series has been a major blessing in helping me to lovingly and respectful share the truth and combat the misunderstandings
Hahah, Jesus quoted God from Gen 2;22-24, in Matt 19;5 For this reason a MAN shall leave his FATHER and MOTHER to be with his WIFE, he didn't say MAN his husband nor WOMAN her wife, where's it the misunderstanding...🤦♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@armymanssg508 there isn’t any misunderstanding but the point of the original comment is that when people are lost they are also blind remember the super famous hymn Amazing Grace? “Was BLIND but now I see”. Since they are lost they don’t have the understanding of God’s word yet and can get extremely rude, prideful mean etc. and the also it’s easy even for us as Christians to fall to our flesh and be all those things when talking to them. It’s not just about presenting information to other people it’s about sharing the truth IN LOVE. You don’t have to sugar coat anything but definitely have a nice and loving tone about you or else people more than likely won’t listen lol
I get what you're saying and believe me, I have tried to tell them nicely but that didn't work either and some will get violent, I know Jesus said to turn the other cheek, but even he took a switch to those in the temple which tells me he has a limit. They would rather go to hell and not have everlasting life if they have to give up their vile, unnatural lust for the same sex which they have declared love they are high-minded and hateful of the truth of God, some have changed but not many and this corrupt and imperfect society supports those who refuse to change. I haven't been hit or kicked but I'm not so sure of how I react if that happens, remember Peter cut a guy's ear off, Jesus put it back, but you get my point, ( WWJD) I'm not him, I strive to be like him but I'm human and not perfect, in fact, I'm not that "good" a believer I do get weak, I know that's no excuse but I do ask for forgiveness when I'm wrong which I find myself doing quite a bit in these trying times...😊😊😊
@@YT-ex4qb Au contraire. God created and instituted marriage, not man. He set the boundaries of it and those boundaries are, one man, one woman, married and faithful for life. It is, by definition, a covenant that belongs to God. Those who want to dwell in a union that violates Gods boundaries, can seek some other type of joining but they cannot be married because they violate Gods boundaries.
@@pastorbri You are once again implying that Christians are homophobic and that is not true. Just because Christianity calls homosexual behaviors sinful, does not make Christianity homophobic. Phobic comes from the word phobia which means fear of - to be afraid of. Calling something sinful does not equal being afraid of something. If you are trying to say that calling homosexual behaviors sinful is wrong, well then you are certainly entitled to your own opinion. But that is not the same thing as homophobia.
Can hardly believe this was 7 years ago. I just came across this in May of 2023 right before “pride” month. Thanks for you all your teachings Mike Winger. They are all a blessing to me 🙏🙌
Jesus is King! 👑🩵💕🦋💕🩵 Jesus died on the cross for our sins and rose from the dead three days later. Repent and believe in him as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved! God bless! 🩵💕🦋💕🩵 💕🌸🌺Romans 10:9-11 KJV 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 🌺🌸💕
A lot of the main stream "pastors" have gotten so big and wide they don't have the freedom to preach this kind of truth. Grateful for you, bro! Never get too big you start suppressing the truth.
I'm confused about what you mean by they don't have the "freedom" to teach truth? Of course they do. They simply chose not to, for their own prideful reasons.
LGBTQ issues are not the first area where the church compromised truth for the sake of popularity. They compromised scripture associated with the relationship of husband and wives a long time ago.
I openly admit. I'm a porn addict. Thank you for the reassurance of God's love. Whenever I relapse, I feel nothing except guilt. I feel like I let him down one too many times and there is no more forgiveness for me. Thank you for the reassuring message. It encourages me to "Go and sin no more."
Yes I smoke and drink and take drugs and feel so bad I also have a temper and lose myself in these days, my neighbours have to put up with my loudness and they don't say much what is really sad. I need Jesus in everything he is before anyone but everyone is always in my prayers.
@Brandon Merrithew... doing away with things is good it's an action, but it's start with what you just done publicly here, by admitting it and acknowledging it, I don't think you should do a way from your internet a year! The internet is not the only temptation there's stores, DVDs, magazines, ppl, books, different TV shows/Playboy and so on.. Keep feeding your mind, spirit, soul and body spiritual nourishment, seek the Creator's truth, this require prayer and going in to self... if you should slip pick yourself up repent and don't beat yourself up, this is the reason why a savior has come to help us with our sin as written, just keep doing your best and staying focused, stay blessed!
My brother in law struggled with this. Research shows that refraining from masturbation or intercourse of any kind for 3 months significantly lowers the dopamine levels in the brain that have risen to abnormal levels due to porn addiction. It really is a chemical addiction, very much like drugs. If you lower the dopamine levels you'll have a fighting chance. It's a lot like dieting. Addiction makes it hard to say no, but you'll find the more that you say no and refrain from doing it, the easier it'll get and your body will stop chemically "screaming" at you for more. You can do this. God is on your side.
Thank you for this. I’m newly born again and due to covid restrictions have a limited amount of pastoral advice. You have affirmed my belief that it’s the sin that’s evil not the sinner. I have many gay friends who I haven’t revealed my faith to so this really helps brother.
God give you wisdom as you balance truth and love. I'd suggest checking out Preston Sprinkle for some resources on a loving but non-affirming position.
We are evil as well, we have a corrupted nature that we've inherited through original sin of adam and eve. The sin is evil but so is the sinner, and we can only be purified through faith in Christ through his death on the cross and triumph over evil
I hope they find out soon so they can set you straight before it affects your friendship with them. Because if you follow what this hateful loser says you won't have them as friends much longer.
It's 2020, and I'm so glad I found this!!! In fact, I wish I had found it sooner. Thanks Mike Winger for being such a light and educating us to save our brothers and sisters in a loving way! One that represents God in the fullest, in the way He truly is. God's redemptive love is what should be guiding us, not society's cowardice and redefinition of love to fit the evil desires of our hearts in this fallen world.
Jesus is King! 👑🩵💕🦋💕🩵 Jesus died on the cross for our sins and rose from the dead three days later. Repent and believe in him as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved! God bless! 🩵💕🦋💕🩵 💕🌸🌺Romans 10:9-11 KJV 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 🌺🌸💕
Thank you so much for posting this! My senior thesis is on this topic, and your careful comb-through of these passages is immensely helpful. I followed along with the pdf notes from your website which made it even easier! Thank you!
My daughter is gay and I love her dearly. Does not mean that I support her sinful behaviour. It would be no different that if she wanted to sleep with a boy. It's still sin. Love is not sex.
@@masonking6438, I don't know whether to click thumbs up or down because I don't know if you are accepting God's definition or marriage which is the biological definition of marriage. You should edit your comment so that "apart" is "a part". Those 2 things have opposite meanings.
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@@Hamann9631- Nonsense, no place in the bible did God establish marriage; it was older than the bible eras. And through most biblical eras, a man could have as many wives as he could afford and as many concubines (sex slaves) as his sword could capture. The bible god praised King Solomon and his 700 wives and 300 concubines. Love had nothing to do with marriage; a woman was a man's property given by her father to the groom for a dowry - camels, etc. There were no laws prohibiting a man from beating and raping his wives, kids and slaves. Jesus did not bother getting married, so it was not very important to him. He taught that God hates divorce, and that anyone who remarries is living in sin against his first spouse. Totally ignored today. Evangelicals have higher divorce rates than society at large (Baylor Christian U researchers posted this). Heterosexuals are opting out of marriage at record levels and those who do wed are doing so later and later in life. 99% of heterosexuals have sex before marriage (fornication). And up until a generation ago, it was a sin as well as a crime to wed someone of another race. Marriage changes all the time, so do sins. Have you stoned any brides to death on their wedding night (Deut 22)? Or executed any adulterers? (Lev 20, the same chapter used to condemn men who have sex with men)?
I'm only 17 min in, and so far really impressed with your teachings, can't wait to finish the series.it's refreshing to hear this subject in a way that isn't in judgement, from someone who is in touch with God, cheers
just be careful with who you listen to and what they say. there are some errors in what this man is preaching. Always best to study the bible for yourself and not rely on men to regurgitate their version of the scriptures. God bless Praise Jesus.
Brother Winger goes so in depth with God's Word. I've not heard anyone else be so fervent about learning and sharing the deepest truths of the Lord's Word. Those who live in an area close enough to attend brother Mike's ministry, are blessed with an incredible preacher of righteousness. Thank God for blessing us with brother Winger.
Fantastic teaching. Thank you so much for all the time and effort you have put into studying this issue and giving us insight from a very different perspective. I had not heard of this person Matthew Vines nor of the Gay Reformed Theology movement, although I am well aware of Rob Bell and several others who preach this message. Definitely looking forward to Parts 2 - 4!!
This is a great series. I cannot stress enough how well Pastor Mike puts his discussions forward and the stress he puts on Biblical Christianity. This is the central motivation, ultimate goal, and to give clarity to the Gospel through these teachings. Additionally, while talking to so many people about these subjects, they just like to use popular 'zingers' to attempt to collapse a true Biblical discussion often misrepresenting most of our views entirely. This is a great first step, but remember as Mike says, "this study is directed to Christians first."
@@TwoTreesStudio ... Like I said... "Attempt to collapse." Nuance is always the way to think though a discussion like this. If i want to collapse the pro homosexuality arguments, I could just quote scripture and tell you to have a good day. Mike isn't doing that here and you miss the purpose of the lecture series if close-minded thinking is your contribution. - When Mike discussed the section on Atonement, one could use their ears and perhaps gain some perspective.
Very good stuff: solid, Biblical, and loving teaching. Returning to this series as a refresher: something I imagine I'll do from time to time. Thank yoU!
@@chieppachat9381 have you been adding to Gods word like all homophoics? As it doesn't say that at all in the origional greek or hebrew.....did satan tell you this lie? Lets hope you repent.
Hi Mike, thank you for these series. A few weeks ago a woman in church sat next to me to talk a bit. We talked about worldly things like new age and the whole genderneutrality being taught at schools. But when I added homosexuality to that list, she was disgusted. She stated being allergic to people like me thinking that God doesn't approve of homosexual behaviour, and that it is people like me that drive others away from the church by saying these things. She said I am judging people by doing so, and that I should be more concerned about bringing people to Jesus. I believe it's our job to proclaim the gospel with love and truth, not to convert people. And I told her that, and she disagreed. To her there is no evidence in the Bible that homosexual behaviour isn't approved by God, having read the Bible cover to cover several times over. But it was ok to disagree, to her I have my truth and she has hers (I know, that is new age..truth doesn't contradict itself; either I am wrong, or she is). I tried not to cry on my way back home. I have never experienced anyone so agressive to defend a view. I think she is being deceived and deceiving her homosexual friends; she has many, she said. Seeing these series, I now know that everything she threw at me comes from Matthew Vines. Everything you addressed in this first video, she said to me. Thank you for sharing truth, and helping us helping others. I hope one day she will let go of Vines' ideas.
Jesus is King! 👑🩵💕🦋💕🩵 Jesus died on the cross for our sins and rose from the dead three days later. Repent and believe in him as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved! God bless! 🩵💕🦋💕🩵 💕🌸🌺Romans 10:9-11 KJV 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 🌺🌸💕
Well, you are a homophobic person. She isn't. She has the empathy and emotional intelligence necessary to recognise your beliefs for what they are, vile and hateful disguised as love, because of what you have been taught to be the truth with no evidence, while she at the very least doesn't let that make her a bad person that hates immutable characteristics. Aka, you are a disease that needs to be cured.
I have recently found your channel and have enjoyed listening to you on a number of subjects. I like your approach and your spirit. I am a teacher too, so I love a message which is thoroughly Biblical, well constructed and takes various views into account. I know this is an older message, but this has always been a personal issue for me. I was saved out of this lifestyle almost 40 years ago and have not regretted leaving it behind. Life with Jesus is just so much better. I thought your message was great and I totally agree. I look forward to listening to the other parts.
@@pastorbri Sure, homophobia is wrong, but the fact that I chose to follow Christ does not make me homophobic. I have gay friends both Christian and not, but my decision how to live is my own, not anyone else's
@@pastorbri What does "homophobic lifestyle" even mean? I have decided what I need to do to follow Christ. I do not judge others, as I realise they need to make their own decisions. If you have a problem with that, then what can I say?
@@athb4hu A lifestyle is a choice and a way of living, both of which are not what homosexuality is. If you follow Christ you would never dream of following the homophobic lifestyle choice. If you have a problem with that, then what can I say?
@@pastorbri would you say that serial killers, thieves, adulterers or homosexuals need to change? Why single out “homophobes”. There are very few people who have an irrational fear of humans.
@@Lavender-blue80 murder, stealing etc are choices, being born LGBT is not a choice so it is very odd you lump something some people did not choose with things people do choose.....maybe think a bit more on your lack of logic here.
@@pastorbri I posted a response to your comment. However, as far as I can tell Utube appears to have seen fit to remove it. That would be in line with their policy of not permitting any comment that does not line up with their leftist and liberal world view.
This series is by far the best I have ever seen on this subject. I appreciate your labor. I am now better equipped to witness to the LGBT community. Do you have a dropbox? I would like to get those notes you gave out to the audience.
I don't have a Dropbox but I can send you the notes if you go to Facebook.com/MikeWingerBibleThinker and send me a message requesting it. Thank you for your kind words and I'm thrilled that you find yourself better equipped!
Did you ever get the notes? 4 years later and I found this series and would LOVE to get the notes but not sure if Mike would ever see a message from me.
I was thinking that too. They want to say the law against same sex doesn't apply, so do they say incest and bestiality aren't sin either anymore, then you got there. 😆
Thank you for this series! I am a follower of Jesus Christ, who desires to be equipped to lead those who want to get out of this lifestyle to know how, with God's help. I want to be ready to give an answer to seekers. Christ gave me hope, when I struggled with same sex attractions that I didn't want. I had not acted out, but had those attractions. I sought biblical counseling & learned the root causes of those desires. I was searching for the wrong "kind" of love, when I needed to come to the point of asking Jesus to set me free, and give me Godly friendships. He did!
It takes great courage to speak truth, truth and political correctness cannot occupy the same space. Interpreting scripture to justify sin leads down a dark path.
Pastor Mike, I just want to thank you for providing this in-depth type of bible study, especially on topics like this. You are extremely direct, thorough and organized in how you communicate the truth, but you do it in such a gracious and loving manner. Thank you for being such a great example to us all. I pray that God will continue to multiply your reach, so that even more people can be exposed to sound biblical teaching and be transformed by it.
@@pastorbri Mike Winger is not homophobic and he is not a liar. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at with this comment. Just because Christians view homosexual activities as sin, that does not mean that they are afraid or scared of people who identify as homosexual.
@@rocksolidhope Christians DO NOT see "homosexual behaviour" as a sin but homophobic acts and it seems you support this sin also. I hope you will repent.
@@pastorbri Based off all the many comments you have left on this video, you have clearly demonstrated that you are not open to any type of intelligent dialogue on this topic. You are, unfortunately, an internet troll so I'm not going to spend my time arguing with you. I hope you will watch Pastor Mike's videos with an open mind and an open Bible. If you aren't willing to do that, then this community is probably not for you since it demonstrates that you are not here to learn. One day you are going to breathe your last and stand before God. If you are unwilling to learn what the Bible actually teaches now, you'll just have to wait for that day to find out the truth. But at that point it will be too late. I sincerely hope that you will repent of your sins and place your trust in Jesus Christ for salvation. He is the only way to salvation. Remember this conversation when you stand before God.
@@rocksolidhope Ignore that guy, he is commenting on every video on lgbt lifestyle... He proclaims to be a pastor, but he is a wolf amongst the sheeps. Just report his comments and you will be fine. He once even said that the bible never speaks of homosexuality...
Some of the best, clearest, most Christ-like teaching on this topic I’ve ever heard. Thank you. Someone very close to me is caught up in this lifestyle. I’m going to listen to this series repeatedly.
First, I find you an excellent preacher and speaker and there is a warmth and clear sincerity about you which made me instantly take to you. Second, your accent is very pleasing to the ear. I am from the UK and American accents often grate on me (think of the screechy nasal tones of Lois, the wife in Family Guy). But your accent, speaking tone and pitch are very pleasant and these have definitely strengthened my resolve to listen to all four videos. Third, this is anything but hate speech. No one with a brain could confuse this with hate speech. Fourth, this is a very personal issue for me and in my comments and postings I sometimes go into too much personal detail and I may sound like I need therapy. Please forgive me for sounding like that. David
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Winger is a con man, imo. Be careful about trusting the slick talking fake sincerity types.
Hey Mike, thanks for your series. I appreciate your loving heart and the gracious way you present this. Also, in the future videos like this, you may want to repeat the questions. It is hard to hear some of them.
My wife and I just found this teaching, and man that thought you had for Leviticus 18:24-29 where these sins are such abominations that God judged the Gentile world by it...That hit us hard and was so good. I've never heard anyone say that about that passage before.
Thank you! This is a really great series, a really great source! I really like how you go deep in the scripture! I have been really enjoying your other series too!
@@kevadtuul you could have looked up the definition. homophobia /ˌhɒməˈfəʊbɪə,ˌhəʊməˈfəʊbɪə/ Learn to pronounce noun dislike of or prejudice against gay people. so yes, homophobics do tell lies, being born LGBT is not a sin, never was.
I am going to share this 4 part series with my teen next week. The indoctrination is coming from every angle and my teen and I enjoy watching Mike Winger together.
I love listening to you and how well you explain things.
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"Gays can change through Christ" proclaimed ex-gay ministries for 40 years, but in 2013 ex-gay leaders admitted no ex-gay became heterosexual. Every major ex-gay ministry from the US to Australia closed. Ex-gay claims never last.
@@Hamann9631- It is not a claim I made up; it is the actual recorded result of everyone in the ex-gay ministries for 40 years all around the globe. You bigots cannot grasp this unless we turn the proposition around so that you can see your own situation - Could you ever choose to change your sexual orientation? Never, well guess what - nobody else can, either. Sexual orientation is a trait not a choice. Grow up
At 1:04:30 Mike speaks about a set of approaches we can use to help people in our communities struggling with this temptation. Does anyone know if he manage to address this anywhere? Would you be able to point me to it please? God bless.
For a gay person this feels like an empty phrase used in order to explain why one does not have to be loving at all. It is fake love because usually someone who says that will use the argument in order to avoid gay people instead of being a good friend for them. Love has to be proofed by actions and not by nice sounding words. There was no hint of any kind in Mike's discourse on how to lovingly approach gay people. He first explained what his opinion was and then tried to prove it from the Bible. He did not even ask the question what the texts in the Bible might have meant in their cultural context. Just take Leviticus 20,13. What if a man raped another man. Would both have been put to death? If not, how would you explain that from the scripture? Were is the morality behind this law? Why does it refer to men only and not to women? There is no mention of lesbian sex anywhere in the Old Testament. This should have been part of the scriptural examination before making a judgment. One who loves unconditionally will be there for people no matter what they have done, just like Jesus who visited the poor, the sick and the prostitutes and sinners of his time. I hope you are such a person. God bless you, Thomas
@@Thomas_Zscheile you have a lot to say, but you know what? This still doesn't negate the fact that, again, I can love you without approving of your lifestyle and if some wants to insist that just because I don't approve of their homosexuality, just like I wouldn't approve of a drug addict's drug use, that I don't love them, that, in fact, I hate them, then you and any other person is dead wrong and you and any other person just sounds like a complaining negative, pessimistic person who wants to whine and talk about "woe is me..." That fact of the matter is, we all have done wrong things in our lives... Actually, some of us have made the wrong things, whatever they may be, a lifestyle. Those wrong lifestyle choices are not who we are. Otherwise, some should magically turn into drugs, predatory animals, objects, etc. But again, we are NOT the bad decisions we make. If we were, we would not be eligible for redemption and yet, according to God's Word, we ALL are eligible, IF we repent of our sins and give up our "righteousness" for Christ's.... RIGHTEOUSNESS. Homosexuality, like adultery, like idolatry, like murder, like thievery, like covetousness, like lying... IS A SIN against God. Anyone who doesn't repent of their sin and surrender to Christ will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. It's just that simple... People ask why some Christians pick on homosexuality. Well, 1. We're not picking on anything. Let's get that straight... People act like what they want to do or what their loved ones want to do is ok because they don't want to hurt that person's feelings... So, when you act like something that's wrong, is NOT wrong, then those of us who try to know and do right, point out the wrong that's being done, AS IF IT'S OK. If a person killed another person, for NO REASON, and that person acted as if nothing was wrong, people would be all up in arms about this... Seems to me that it's not Christians who pick and choose, but those who dislike Christians who do...
@@SOULSafeProductionZ I don't want to question your personal love for me or others. Just from my own experiences I told you that the statement you quoted feels to be empty words unless they are proven by loving actions. I experienced people braking up any contact with me after my coming out. I don't feel this to be the way of love. Anyone of these people who claim to love me I have to say that I do not feel loved by them. That was in my mind and maybe my story helps you understand my point of view. One important question for me has always been: If one cannot choose his/her sexuality then how can it be a sin that prevents God from letting me into his kingdom? I believe being gay is not a lifestyle the same as being straight is not. It describes a persons sexual attraction, not their actions. Taking drugs is a decision one makes. Being gay is not. I always felt this way as far as I can think back. If you think differently, then I want to ask you, how and when did you choose to be straight? Well, one may easily quote a text from the Bible, but this has implications on a person's life. And since some of these might feel like unburiable burdens, the question is, whether this is what God intended with such verses or not. Therefore one has to consider such texts in their historical context and honestly ask whether the text means what they seem to say or if there was some other intention behind it. For example I would never take a story of a rape as proof for a prohibition against sex between a man and a woman. But this is what is done with the Genesis report about Sodom as regards homosexuality. Thomas
@@Thomas_Zscheile first and foremost, Thomas, thank you for responding back. Secondly, I know I don't know you, but I love you... You are a human being and, as such, you deserve love and respect.
@@Thomas_Zscheile should the people who were in your life, claiming to be your loved ones and claiming to love you, have left once you admitted to being gay? No. Again, I can love you and not agree with the way you live... And if you say that I can't, the big question you need to confront is not whether I'm a bigot or not. It's "Do you REALLY want true love or do you just want someone to cosign whatever you do?"
Het Mike, this is controversial in my student association right now and people really dislike what i have to say, but you're giving me very thorough and thoughtful ways to bring these points across. Thank you, my associates have to hear the truth
Thank you for this Mike. It’s timely and so helpful. (even 5 years after the original series) As a Christian woman who hit my teen years in the 90’s, Watching “Pride” kind of take off socially, not becoming a Christian until my late 20’s, and having since remained pretty docile on this topic. I’m over here convicted of being in Fear of Man dude… thanks again for all your research and work presenting this!
@@pastorbri I think we should stop pacifying sin out of fear of man … phobia means fear .. the Grace and Power of the Holy Spirit urges us stay in the clarity of Truth. I don’t fear homosexuality..I don’t celebrate it either. Hopefully you’re not leading a flock in the twisted ideas that it’s “not harming anyone so …” or leading a congregation in the lies that “it’s not sin” to fully surrender to the destruction of the flesh.
@@tamara1819 sigh a phobia is NOT a fear.....a phobia is an irrational hate, dislike or fear or all 3 of something so it seems you are oddly pacifying this sin as something not so bad. Most homophobics don't fear homosexuality as this is not what the term means. Hopefully you’re not leading a pro homophobic flock in the twisted ideas that it’s “not harming anyone so …” or leading a congregation in the lies that “it’s not sin to be homophobic” to fully surrender to the destruction of the flesh.
@@tamara1819 Love is not a sin Galatians 5:22-23 says as much. Becoming radicalized by older Christians into unbiblical theology won't make your faith stronger or more sincere.
@@Grokford However, in the very same scripture you quoted (without context, may I add), the author also says that "faithfulness" and "self-control" are fruits of the Spirit. And, if I'm not mistaken, in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 it says, and I quote, "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the s*xually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have s*x with men, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." In this passage, Paul is writing to the Galatians about how lawsuits against men won't help anything (essentially), and goes on to say how we have all sinned against God, and yet we were forgiven rather than made to pay our debt. Most of these sins he states are a result of a lack self control, specifically of our own prideful nature. So why do you pick and choose what you like out of Scripture? Do you have evidence that supports your freedom to "cherry-pick"?
Correctional Healthcare Nurse for decades. This four part series tells the sad truth for so many. America a victim, too, of lawlessness by Law. Thank you for speaking HOLY BIBLE Wisdom. HOLY BIBLE gets it.
Just as the last guy said, maybe God sent me to you, a friend at work told me about one of your videos and since then I think I have seen them all I like the way you explain things so I can understand them thank you Mr Winger keep it up and I will watch all your videos thank you sir 😊
I really love this Pastor! So young and yet filled with more Wisdom than the Catholic priests I've heard. I decided to leave the RCC and it's been a struggle....not easy! Please tell me what denomination this is!
K M Hey! I hope you're doing well! I'm a former Catholic as well. Glad to hear you're desiring to embrace a truly biblical way of faith now! Pastor Mike is part of the Calvary Chapel movement of churches. There's probably one near you. Blessings!
Sarah thank you! I'm doing ok but oddly I miss some of the ceremonial trappings such as singing psalms, hymns, lighting advent wreath, and Easter lent. I've been going to a Pentacostal church but don't feel the worship singing is really worship. I wish a confession of belief and the Lord's Prayer were recited at times. I think I will try to find a chapel like this or an Evangelical Free church that has hymnals. If you have any thoughts on this I would be open! Thanks
For starts watch all his teaching videos on RCC, check out 'soul refuge' s videos read the whole bibe your self, then go visit his church. There are many like him too...
We cannot “rescue” anyone. That is carnal arrogance! We can share the gospel with love and the truth defends itself through the grace of God. Each person has equal access to Jesus and it’s their faith journey to have a personal relationship with Him.
@@elaineedwards7149 exactly. We share the gospel but we don’t preach to them. God gave us the freedom to make choices and learn from them. We can encourage people to promote hope but we cannot save anyone. Jesus takes care of that part,
@@elaineedwards7149 Telling people they are going to hell or are wrong for something they cannot help is not caring for them. You want to show you are Christ-like. Start fasting, start giving all your money away, start sticking up for "the least of these." I have never met a Christian who was Christ-like. Only a bunch of prideful cowards who hide behind his name
According to whose standards? Yours? The cultures? Or God’s? It is not “homophobia” to defend biblical marriage and condemn same-sex behavior. “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6-9) Please cite the Biblical verse word for word that states “homophobia” is a sin. Pastor Wagner was nothing but kind, generous and factual when delivering his message, so how could there be any offense or accusations of “homophobia” on your part?
According to whose standards? Yours? The cultures? Or God’s? It is not “homophobia” to defend biblical marriage and condemn same-sex behavior. “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6-9) Please cite the Biblical verse word for word that states “homophobia” is a sin. Pastor Wagner was nothing but kind, generous and factual when delivering his message, so how could there be any offense or accusations of “homophobia” on your part?
According to whose standards? Yours? The cultures? Or God’s? It is not “homophobia” to defend biblical marriage and condemn same-sex behavior. “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6-9) Please cite the Biblical verse word for word that states “homophobia” is a sin. Pastor Wagner was nothing but kind, generous and factual when delivering his message, so how could there be any offense or accusations of “homophobia” on your part?
According to whose standards? Yours? The cultures? Or God’s? It is not “homophobia” to defend biblical marriage and condemn same-sex behavior. “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6-9) Please cite the Biblical verse word for word that states “homophobia” is a sin. Pastor Wagner was nothing but kind, generous and factual when delivering his message, so how could there be any offense or accusations of “homophobia” on your part?
The world says "if it feels good just do it.". Sin feels good because it appeals to the fallen nature. Sin leads to death. One has to decide if it's really worth it to die for temporary satisfaction.
God gave us the ability to feel good. Sex is not only for procreation it's for bonding too. Souls do not have gender. That is something only our physical shell have. Did you even read the Bible? I'm guessing no.
@@sangieredwolf Ya, I agree with that. I read somewhere on this page something to the effect that gay's don't procreate. I believe Mike also stated that. God gave sex for enjoyment, not just for procreation. Amen.
God does not love the sinner. This is not biblical. He hates the sinner, hence why his son had to come and die for the sinner so that the sinner could be covered in Jesus' blood in order to enter heaven.
I’m so glad that church members, pastors, and theologians are beginning to wake up to the false teaching of Mike Winger and those like him, regarding LGBTQ concerns. Winger does an excellent job in so many other areas, but lacks thoroughness on this topic. I truly hope and pray he will do his homework and see God’s perspective by understanding these passages in their accurate historical context.
Any addendums to this video? I'm viewing this about 5 years after its creation and want to know if there's anything that I should know that you have found @Mike Winger
I would warmly praise this - and the other three videos - as everyone would benefit from listening to this teaching. I have asked questions and I take issue with some points. However I recognise a man of God when I see him. Much work and prayer has gone into these sessions. Respect, Mike.
I am gay, but a Christian, and I do not condone this lifestyle. I am aware of it being a sin, but it's been hard to overcome. I started dating a guy back when I was an atheist, and now we have been together nearly a decade. I can't envision my life without him. He is a Christian as well, and we pray about this issue. You think it'd be simple, we love each other and in reality following Christ and turning away from this sin would be the right thing to do, but when you have lived with someone for so long and get along with them really well, it's exceptionally hard to find the strength to abandon that life. What makes it more difficult, is me becoming a Christian was due to his family's influence on my life. I do not advocate for the lgbt, but I pray for them. And I pray for any young man or woman going through a similar thing that I did. Turn away from this Sin if you can. Jesus loves you and he will find a way for you. Perhaps me and my boyfriend staying together shows a fear or lack of faith. I pray that God helps me with this internal struggle.
Praying for you and your boyfriend, brother! I admire your desire to put Christ first- “the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak” is really so true! But I know that in God’s holy timing, you both will be able to overcome. He will take you through valleys of learning so you can grow ever closer to Him, whatever state your relationships may be in. And some day, you will look back and see a miracle! Stay the course. Love from a sister in Christ. 💛
Andrew, This is a very difficult situation. I understand the grip of sin is very strong and Christians must fight sin every day of their lives. I would like to start by saying that there is simply no such thing as a gay Christian. A Christian identifies with Christ, hence the title of "Christian". Therefore, placing any other identification before "Christian" contradicts itself. For example, you are not a murderer-Christian or a thief-Christian or alcoholic-Christian. Being a Christian means a complete separation from the world and a complete submission to the Lord, Jesus Christ. Consider Romans 6:1-4 "1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life." Verse 1 asks the question, "Are we to continue in sin?" In your case, it would be continuing to live with your boyfriend and pursuing a relationship with him. Verse 2 answers the question posed in verse 1, "May it never be!" In other words, Christians are called to make a CLEAN break with the world. That means the sinful lifestyles we lead, the idols we worship, or the sinful relationships we have all must be done away with. Verses 3 and 4 talk more about dying to sin which is the idea that, in Christ, our life before we became Christians was put to death and BURIED with Christ in His death and burial. What springs forth from the grave is a new creature with a new life. This is exemplified in verse 4 in which it ends with the idea of walking "in newness of life." 2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come." I noticed in your comment that you talked about being aware that the life you are living is a sin but it is hard to break away from. The difficulty of breaking away from sin is a truth for ALL people. I will admit that sexual sin is certainly a unique kind of sin, but it is a sin nonetheless and requires repentance. In continuing to live with and be in a relationship with your boyfriend, you are living in unrepentant sin. So what needs to take place is repentance of that sin and clinging to Christ. The apostle Paul talks of his thorn in his flesh in 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 of which Paul implored the Lord three times to remove it from him. Whatever that thorn was obviously caused Paul a great deal of stress and made him feel weak. In the midst of Paul's weakness, the Lord said to Paul "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness" What is brought out here is that the Lord does not always miraculously make things easy for Christians. Instead, we are to recognize our weakness and lean wholly into the Lord and be OBEDIENT to Him. We are not to succumb to our weaknesses and be complacent. God is present with us in our struggles for sure but He requires cooperation with Him to bring about holiness in us. I hope this all makes sense to you and that the Lord softens your heart to Him. I am praying for you and your partner's repentance and pursuit of the Lord.
"I kinda get that being called a bigot is bad but my culture and the scholastic tradition of my religion says they are bad how do I say this without being called a bigot do I say love a lot let's say love a lot."
I have never ever heard this taught in the Lutheran Church. I have so wanted a Biblically based teaching because I want to think and act in accordance with God's will. I want to always act in love.
You know what the truly terrifying part in all of this is? We won't even know the half of what happens to people like Mr. Vine when God judges him for what he's done to the word of God, let alone for leading so many countless people astray.
I have one issue with this... Dignity, self esteem and pride are not the same thing. They often go hand-in-hand but they are not the same. I agree that God is not nearly as concerned with out dignity and self esteem as He is with righteousness (obviously), but these things do not automatically equal pride.
Your leviticus 18:22 claim does not address the argument progressive Christians make about the full connotations of the word used to denote "lying with" in Hebrew.
Thank you so much for what you’re sharing! You say to request your notes on Facebook-I found you on FB and followed you, but it still doesn’t allow me to message you privately-I don’t want to put my email address in a public post. What can I do to receive your notes?
We are currently living in a time when someone's behavior IS their identity, so criticizing the behavior automatically criticizes them. So thankful for this video.
No darling that's not it. People are not upset about criticisms of their sex live, they're upset about the implications you're making while criticizing their sex. At the bare minimum anti-gay rhetoric requires you to believe that Queer people are in some way broken, more often it also includes the veiled implication that Queer people are incapable of love or don't know what love is. It's dehumanizing, of course people are upset.
Are sermon notes available to us? There’s so much here. I’d love to have a reference I can go back and study.
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"Gays can change through Christ" proclaimed ex-gay ministries for 40 years, but in 2013 ex-gay leaders admitted no ex-gay became heterosexual. Every major ex-gay ministry from the US to Australia closed. Sexual orientation is not a choice. If you don't get it, try changing yours.
@ There are at least 117 prophecies, appearances, or foreshadowings (PAF’s) of Christ in the Law, at least 144 PAF’s in the Writings, and at least 153 PAF’s in the Prophets. A minimal total for the entire Old Testament, therefore, is 414. Plus, you must be aware of the Dead Sea scrolls by now. If that doesn't make a believer of you, you are deceiving yourself. The argument that that the Bible was re-written countless times goes out the window, for the book of Isaiah (just as one example) is exactly as it reads today. The Scrolls can be positively dated. They are 1000 years older than previously used manuscripts - and yet the text shows no deviation. Until the discovery of the scrolls, the oldest known translation of the Hebrew Bible dated from 1009 A.D. What they showed us is that the texts we do have even from Medieval Bibles have been amazingly accurately preserved. God loves you. He made you from eternity. Don't fight Him. If you fight His Word, remember He is the Word made flesh and you will be fighting Yeshua. Give in to the gentle Shepherd. He will not steer you wrong, and your life after this life will be heaven eternal.
@ "Why would a god write a book when 99% of the people alive were illiterate? A-hole move, don't you think?" Answer is, so that the literate among the Christian community could expound upon the scriptures to the admittedly mostly illiterate Christian community in the first Century, and, of course for future posterity, God being omniscient and seeing that literacy would increase in the last few centuries. Actually, the #1 way God spoke to His children in the First Century was through dreams and vision, that always confirmed the written Logos, the Torah, that is until the New Testament was completely penned approximately 80 AD.
FYI. When I was 19 and living on my own in Pgh. P.A., I had 2 roommates that belonged to the S.D.S. Coming from a Democratic. Christian family I thought the SDS was a Democratic group for young people. I didn't realize it was essentially a group brought together by socialists/communists in order to indoctrinate people, especially young people. I came home one day and found they were having a meeting. I overheard one of the items on their agenda. Mind you this was 1969. The era of anything goes so long as it felt good. Not right; good. The item on their agenda that night was to teach people to accept homosexuality as normal to control population growth among other things, like demoralize people and lead them away from God. I agree with you Mike, but we have created a world that is going to take a long time to turn around. I love my homosexual friends, but I do explain that I do not accept homosexual marriage in the eyes of God. No humiliation, just honesty. Thanks for a much needed talk
YEP! Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov mentions it also all the way back from the eighties too. Everything started from the Fabian Society in which historically was actually founded by Freemasons and Rosicrucians. NOT KIDDING AROUND UNFORTUNATELY! It's not a conspiracy at all. The beliefs or manifesto of the Illuminati that was established in the late 18th century is exactly the same as the Communists on religion and private property, etc. Oh Yeah, I just forgot to include THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL and HERBERT MARCUSE.
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Mike - I'm at min 23:00. Your point about man/woman being opposite and suitable is a good point and is a basis of fact and reflection. I find it VERY interesting that homosexual couples try to MIMIC the heterosexual relationship. Look at gay couples and 99% will have a male-like dominate one and a female-like partner, in their demeanor and relationship. The normal standard is copied because it is right and brings security, but they pervert the design of God..
In gay relationships between men, there is no "female" anywhere. There are just different positions. It just means homosexuals have more options in the bedroom and can swap top/bottom roles if they want. Did you also know not all gay men have anal sex? Crazy thought. But sometimes there is no dominant partner and you can engage in frottage, 69, etc. It's about pleasuring your lover not what position you are in. So where did you get your 99% statistic? Did you just make it up or do you have a source for that?
You need to get to know gay people. It is true that there are masculine and feminine roles that each person takes on, but being masculine or feminine is of ones essence, not a perversion.
I was unable to click the "thumbs up" button so since i am able to comment, I will comment. This is a very well thought out message that we all -- Christians and non-christians should embrace.
Got to say it's nice to see a theist stand up and say what they believes clearly and respectfully. Definitely the best I've seen from you. Got to slightly disagree with your interpretation of how the sins are listed, they can't really be in which is worst order, unless you think bestiality is worse than raping a 5 year old, but yes one being debatable doesn't mean the list is totally wrong and others can be ignored. A big problem I see in your argument though is, if being gay doesn't fit because you can't procreate (this after all is the basic argument) they surely being single is just as bad as being gay?
@@rockmusicvideoreviewer896 because if you know your Bible there are many passages that speak out against this behavior I don't have the room to enumerate them but to me the original design in Genesis 3 is a good starting point, also the destruction of Sodom, Leviticus 19 which states that man shouldn't lie with another man as a he would a woman, if caught they we're to be killed, in the New Testament, Read Roman's 1st chapter, and 1 Corithians 6:9 says homosexuals won't be in heaven You can continue with this sin, but knowing first hand how deceptive this lifestyle can be I'm free from it, and living a celebate life without the fear of Judgement
I'm 45 years old and I am a closeted lesbian. Never felt attracted to men ever since. People tell that I am a good person. I am Christian, I volunteer at the kids' church. I had this 1 woman I loved and we broke up but now we are communicating again. I want to take her back. I am asking God, if this feeling is a sin, then take it out. In the past many men had laid their intentions on me, I tried twice to have a bf with the hope that I will fall for them but it did not happen, instead they were hurt with our breakups.. and I don't want this to happen again. So I am setting my mind.. to share the future with some1 I truly love. So now, will I be doomed forever? I just don't get it, why God allow me to have this feeling since my grade school if it is a sin.
I don't believe that homosexuality or even homoeroticism is a sin. That being said even if it were the case, it would not be a unique sin and certainly not a sin that is beyond the grace of God. To say otherwise is deny the sufficiency of God's grace The reasons that I believe that the common anti-queer interpretations of scripture are a bit complex to cover briefly, though I'm happy to elaborate, but I think there is a simpler fatal blow to that worldview and that is Love. God is love, or so it says in 1 John 4:8, and some people like to make this love something esoteric or beyond the common experience of love . But I think that 1 John 4:8 contradicts that notion "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." Certainly, English uses the word love for things that are not love but most of us know what love is and can tell the difference. The Greek word used in this passage is _agape_ which might be translated as care. It is the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:25 when it says that husbands should love their wives, proving that it is not incompatible with romantic or sexual love. Most importantly _agape_ is also the word used for Love in Galatians 5:22-23, which lists Love as a fruit of the Spirit "against which there is no law". Love is treated as a universal good, so is constructive companionship or fellowship for that matter. It's also worth mentioning that scripture also discounts the differences of gender. Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Before God we are equal, obviously differences exist between us, but I hardly think that our fundamental equality has an exception in gender. Gender does not divide us any more than ethnicity or social status. God's love is infinite, why then would we ever expect that the divine expression of love in us wouldn't be the same? No one ever said that in the process of becoming more like God that we would become more like eachother.
@@Grokford Thank you so much for taking time to share your opinion. It somehow gives me another view abt. relationships. But what can you say about " conviction" ? Isn't this a gift from God to help us know what is sin or not?
@@cathcruz7002 I think that conviction is a very important thing, I think that Romans 14 gives a good description of the matter. That being said, if we are going to practice this it is fundamental that we separate conviction from shame. Conviction is usually considered to be either internal or divine in origin, whereas shame is external, that is to say, from other people. Often Queer people can overcome the intellectual hurdles of accepting their orientation but are still plagued by feelings of shame. I am very fortunate in some ways because I was never out enough for people to implant ideas of shame around my sexuality but I still deal with lingering feelings of shame around related issues like my mannerisms, presentation, voice and especially ideas of familial responsibility. This time last year I made the decision to move a good distance away from my family and even though I knew that the situation had become toxic, if not abusive, it was still an incredibly difficult thing to do. But it wasn't conviction that was trying to stop me, it was shame and a good bit of fear. Fear and discomfort are normal parts of change, positive and negative. I probably couldn't tell you which is shame and which is conviction, so I'm afraid that that is left to your own discernment. 1 John 4 says that we are to "test the spirits" because not everything is true, so I believe personal discernment to be a biblically necessary practice. But I would ultimately agree that conviction, is crucial. Not all rules are good and beneficial to all people, I have no problem being around drunk people, but an alcoholic might feel differently.
I can’t definitively speak for Mike, but I think he and others like him would say that the act and not the attraction is sin. I’ve also heard him speak about praying God take desires (and the like) away if they are not meant to be. Careful with that. Finally, there is nothing wrong with singleness.
I don't know who said this. Might have been some rando on the internet that I heard it from, but it's fairly apt here. And it's that apathetic acceptance of self-destructive behavior (i.e. drug use, homosexuality, self harm, etc.) is not love. It's actually the opposite of love.
Found this years later in 2020 when it's now normal for Christians to be very affirming of the LGTBQ+ community and I have no idea how to address some of the points they bring up. This series has been a major blessing in helping me to lovingly and respectful share the truth and combat the misunderstandings
especially on tiktok you should go see for yourself
Blessing!!!!
Hahah, Jesus quoted God from Gen 2;22-24, in Matt 19;5 For this reason a MAN shall leave his FATHER and MOTHER to be with his WIFE, he didn't say MAN his husband nor WOMAN her wife, where's it the misunderstanding...🤦♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@armymanssg508 there isn’t any misunderstanding but the point of the original comment is that when people are lost they are also blind remember the super famous hymn Amazing Grace? “Was BLIND but now I see”. Since they are lost they don’t have the understanding of God’s word yet and can get extremely rude, prideful mean etc. and the also it’s easy even for us as Christians to fall to our flesh and be all those things when talking to them. It’s not just about presenting information to other people it’s about sharing the truth IN LOVE. You don’t have to sugar coat anything but definitely have a nice and loving tone about you or else people more than likely won’t listen lol
I get what you're saying and believe me, I have tried to tell them nicely but that didn't work either and some will get violent, I know Jesus said to turn the other cheek, but even he took a switch to those in the temple which tells me he has a limit.
They would rather go to hell and not have everlasting life if they have to give up their vile, unnatural lust for the same sex which they have declared love they are high-minded and hateful of the truth of God, some have changed but not many and this corrupt and imperfect society supports those who refuse to change.
I haven't been hit or kicked but I'm not so sure of how I react if that happens, remember Peter cut a guy's ear off, Jesus put it back, but you get my point, ( WWJD) I'm not him, I strive to be like him but I'm human and not perfect, in fact, I'm not that "good" a believer I do get weak, I know that's no excuse but I do ask for forgiveness when I'm wrong which I find myself doing quite a bit in these trying times...😊😊😊
I am soooo glad i found you man. Your preaching is clear and so easy for me to understand. You articulate yourself very well.
Bogus Bozo me too! I’m so glad I found him!! Speaks from the word and is such an awesome man of God.
There is absolutely no reason why gay marriage shouldn’t be legal❤️
@@YT-ex4qb Au contraire. God created and instituted marriage, not man. He set the boundaries of it and those boundaries are, one man, one woman, married and faithful for life. It is, by definition, a covenant that belongs to God. Those who want to dwell in a union that violates Gods boundaries, can seek some other type of joining but they cannot be married because they violate Gods boundaries.
you do know the homophobic lifestyle is wrong though right?
@@pastorbri You are once again implying that Christians are homophobic and that is not true. Just because Christianity calls homosexual behaviors sinful, does not make Christianity homophobic. Phobic comes from the word phobia which means fear of - to be afraid of. Calling something sinful does not equal being afraid of something. If you are trying to say that calling homosexual behaviors sinful is wrong, well then you are certainly entitled to your own opinion. But that is not the same thing as homophobia.
Can hardly believe this was 7 years ago. I just came across this in May of 2023 right before “pride” month. Thanks for you all your teachings Mike Winger. They are all a blessing to me 🙏🙌
Jesus is King! 👑🩵💕🦋💕🩵
Jesus died on the cross for our sins and rose from the dead three days later. Repent and believe in him as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved! God bless! 🩵💕🦋💕🩵
💕🌸🌺Romans 10:9-11 KJV 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 🌺🌸💕
@@misses1768Amen✝️❤️🙏
A lot of the main stream "pastors" have gotten so big and wide they don't have the freedom to preach this kind of truth. Grateful for you, bro! Never get too big you start suppressing the truth.
I'm confused about what you mean by they don't have the "freedom" to teach truth? Of course they do. They simply chose not to, for their own prideful reasons.
@@CassTeaElle yup. They wouldn't have the money and fame if they spoke the truth.
@@CassTeaElle so they are choosing money and fame over the Word?
LGBTQ issues are not the first area where the church compromised truth for the sake of popularity. They compromised scripture associated with the relationship of husband and wives a long time ago.
They have the freedom. They make a choice not to. We always must remember who we really answer to. Only one died on the cross for us.
I openly admit. I'm a porn addict.
Thank you for the reassurance of God's love. Whenever I relapse, I feel nothing except guilt. I feel like I let him down one too many times and there is no more forgiveness for me.
Thank you for the reassuring message. It encourages me to "Go and sin no more."
I would, but then I couldn't watch amazing videos like this.
@@brandonmerrithew317 go to church instead and get rid of your internet anyway.
You cant deny it would make it harder to partake in your addiction.
Yes I smoke and drink and take drugs and feel so bad I also have a temper and lose myself in these days, my neighbours have to put up with my loudness and they don't say much what is really sad. I need Jesus in everything he is before anyone but everyone is always in my prayers.
@Brandon Merrithew... doing away with things is good it's an action, but it's start with what you just done publicly here, by admitting it and acknowledging it, I don't think you should do a way from your internet a year! The internet is not the only temptation there's stores, DVDs, magazines, ppl, books, different TV shows/Playboy and so on.. Keep feeding your mind, spirit, soul and body spiritual nourishment, seek the Creator's truth, this require prayer and going in to self... if you should slip pick yourself up repent and don't beat yourself up, this is the reason why a savior has come to help us with our sin as written, just keep doing your best and staying focused, stay blessed!
My brother in law struggled with this. Research shows that refraining from masturbation or intercourse of any kind for 3 months significantly lowers the dopamine levels in the brain that have risen to abnormal levels due to porn addiction. It really is a chemical addiction, very much like drugs. If you lower the dopamine levels you'll have a fighting chance. It's a lot like dieting. Addiction makes it hard to say no, but you'll find the more that you say no and refrain from doing it, the easier it'll get and your body will stop chemically "screaming" at you for more. You can do this. God is on your side.
Thank you for this. I’m newly born again and due to covid restrictions have a limited amount of pastoral advice. You have affirmed my belief that it’s the sin that’s evil not the sinner. I have many gay friends who I haven’t revealed my faith to so this really helps brother.
God give you wisdom as you balance truth and love. I'd suggest checking out Preston Sprinkle for some resources on a loving but non-affirming position.
@@tayh.6235 God bless and thank you 🙏
if u have gay friends, LOVE THEM AS THEY ARE!!!!!!!!! Otherwise they won't be your friends for long and you will not be doing Gods work or his love.
We are evil as well, we have a corrupted nature that we've inherited through original sin of adam and eve. The sin is evil but so is the sinner, and we can only be purified through faith in Christ through his death on the cross and triumph over evil
I hope they find out soon so they can set you straight before it affects your friendship with them. Because if you follow what this hateful loser says you won't have them as friends much longer.
It's 2020, and I'm so glad I found this!!! In fact, I wish I had found it sooner. Thanks Mike Winger for being such a light and educating us to save our brothers and sisters in a loving way! One that represents God in the fullest, in the way He truly is. God's redemptive love is what should be guiding us, not society's cowardice and redefinition of love to fit the evil desires of our hearts in this fallen world.
homophobia is a darkness
@@pastorbri I'm not afraid of gay people, and I'm not afraid of you. Miss me with that crap.
You should go stand outside a casino. Stop putting all your focus into LGBT people.
@@dapper_slapper4093 they can't help it.....homophobics are a bit simple.
Jesus is King! 👑🩵💕🦋💕🩵
Jesus died on the cross for our sins and rose from the dead three days later. Repent and believe in him as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved! God bless! 🩵💕🦋💕🩵
💕🌸🌺Romans 10:9-11 KJV 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 🌺🌸💕
Watching this series during pride month.
Me too! Staying strapped during this godless month
me too :-)
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Man just missed it. Mabey next year
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Thank you so much for posting this! My senior thesis is on this topic, and your careful comb-through of these passages is immensely helpful. I followed along with the pdf notes from your website which made it even easier!
Thank you!
don't follow the homophobic lifestyle
@@pastorbrihomophobe alert🚨
My daughter is gay and I love her dearly. Does not mean that I support her sinful behaviour. It would be no different that if she wanted to sleep with a boy. It's still sin. Love is not sex.
Your daughter is not sin. Love and sex is both natural created by this god that you believe did it.
@@RobinHood-hk5dk I don't think Rob M is thinking his daughter's only sin is her sexual sin. Overall your comment is good.
Sex is apart of love when you take the oath before God(marriage).
@@masonking6438, I don't know whether to click thumbs up or down because I don't know if you are accepting God's definition or marriage which is the biological definition of marriage. You should edit your comment so that "apart" is "a part". Those 2 things have opposite meanings.
@@Hamann9631- Nonsense, no place in the bible did God establish marriage; it was older than the bible eras. And through most biblical eras, a man could have as many wives as he could afford and as many concubines (sex slaves) as his sword could capture. The bible god praised King Solomon and his 700 wives and 300 concubines. Love had nothing to do with marriage; a woman was a man's property given by her father to the groom for a dowry - camels, etc. There were no laws prohibiting a man from beating and raping his wives, kids and slaves. Jesus did not bother getting married, so it was not very important to him. He taught that God hates divorce, and that anyone who remarries is living in sin against his first spouse. Totally ignored today. Evangelicals have higher divorce rates than society at large (Baylor Christian U researchers posted this). Heterosexuals are opting out of marriage at record levels and those who do wed are doing so later and later in life. 99% of heterosexuals have sex before marriage (fornication). And up until a generation ago, it was a sin as well as a crime to wed someone of another race. Marriage changes all the time, so do sins. Have you stoned any brides to death on their wedding night (Deut 22)? Or executed any adulterers? (Lev 20, the same chapter used to condemn men who have sex with men)?
I was in desperate need of sound teaching on this. Thank you.
homophobics don't do sound teachings
I'm only 17 min in, and so far really impressed with your teachings, can't wait to finish the series.it's refreshing to hear this subject in a way that isn't in judgement, from someone who is in touch with God, cheers
just be careful with who you listen to and what they say.
there are some errors in what this man is preaching.
Always best to study the bible for yourself and not rely on men to regurgitate their version of the scriptures.
God bless
Praise Jesus.
please point out the errors
@@zxb995511 Where to beeeggiiiiin. Point out something he said that you think is correct and I'll shoot it down.
Sangie Nativus
Point our at least ONE thing that’s wrong
Women of Metal I agree.
God bless you, Pastor Mike. Great teaching.
God does not bless sin
Brother Winger goes so in depth with God's Word. I've not heard anyone else be so fervent about learning and sharing the deepest truths of the Lord's Word. Those who live in an area close enough to attend brother Mike's ministry, are blessed with an incredible preacher of righteousness. Thank God for blessing us with brother Winger.
God doesn't bless the sin of homophobia
It's easy to sound deep when you reference the original text, pity he's not done that well either.
As a woman who lived as a Lesbian, until she met Christ, thank you! Excellent information and thank you for being kind in how you handled this.
You are married to a man now?
@@dapper_slapper4093 no. Lived my life too long as a lesbian and now still looking and open to marriage. Why?
@@Axisearth You are now attracted to men?
@@dapper_slapper4093 yes I am. It did not happen immediately. But over the years I have changed my attractions.
I regret I did not have a husband and children
Fantastic teaching. Thank you so much for all the time and effort you have put into studying this issue and giving us insight from a very different perspective. I had not heard of this person Matthew Vines nor of the Gay Reformed Theology movement, although I am well aware of Rob Bell and several others who preach this message. Definitely looking forward to Parts 2 - 4!!
did u think honmophobia is ok now?
This is a great series. I cannot stress enough how well Pastor Mike puts his discussions forward and the stress he puts on Biblical Christianity. This is the central motivation, ultimate goal, and to give clarity to the Gospel through these teachings. Additionally, while talking to so many people about these subjects, they just like to use popular 'zingers' to attempt to collapse a true Biblical discussion often misrepresenting most of our views entirely. This is a great first step, but remember as Mike says, "this study is directed to Christians first."
Biblical christianity is anti homophobia
those "zingers" are literally just arguments you can't respond to because you are wrong
@@TwoTreesStudio ... Like I said... "Attempt to collapse." Nuance is always the way to think though a discussion like this. If i want to collapse the pro homosexuality arguments, I could just quote scripture and tell you to have a good day. Mike isn't doing that here and you miss the purpose of the lecture series if close-minded thinking is your contribution. - When Mike discussed the section on Atonement, one could use their ears and perhaps gain some perspective.
@@TwoTreesStudio Ever Heard of Becket Cook? Great channel and content. Check it out!
Very good stuff: solid, Biblical, and loving teaching.
Returning to this series as a refresher: something I imagine I'll do from time to time.
Thank yoU!
homophobia is not biblically ok
@@pastorbri the old law and the New Testament says homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of God.
@@chieppachat9381 have you been adding to Gods word like all homophoics? As it doesn't say that at all in the origional greek or hebrew.....did satan tell you this lie? Lets hope you repent.
Hi Mike, thank you for these series. A few weeks ago a woman in church sat next to me to talk a bit. We talked about worldly things like new age and the whole genderneutrality being taught at schools. But when I added homosexuality to that list, she was disgusted. She stated being allergic to people like me thinking that God doesn't approve of homosexual behaviour, and that it is people like me that drive others away from the church by saying these things. She said I am judging people by doing so, and that I should be more concerned about bringing people to Jesus. I believe it's our job to proclaim the gospel with love and truth, not to convert people. And I told her that, and she disagreed. To her there is no evidence in the Bible that homosexual behaviour isn't approved by God, having read the Bible cover to cover several times over. But it was ok to disagree, to her I have my truth and she has hers (I know, that is new age..truth doesn't contradict itself; either I am wrong, or she is). I tried not to cry on my way back home. I have never experienced anyone so agressive to defend a view. I think she is being deceived and deceiving her homosexual friends; she has many, she said. Seeing these series, I now know that everything she threw at me comes from Matthew Vines. Everything you addressed in this first video, she said to me. Thank you for sharing truth, and helping us helping others. I hope one day she will let go of Vines' ideas.
The Devil is at work, right now AND his reach is FAR and WIDE!
I pray she will see the truth as well, and be saved, in Jesus’ Name, Amen.
Jesus is King! 👑🩵💕🦋💕🩵
Jesus died on the cross for our sins and rose from the dead three days later. Repent and believe in him as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved! God bless! 🩵💕🦋💕🩵
💕🌸🌺Romans 10:9-11 KJV 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 🌺🌸💕
Pray for this woman she's lost
Well, you are a homophobic person. She isn't. She has the empathy and emotional intelligence necessary to recognise your beliefs for what they are, vile and hateful disguised as love, because of what you have been taught to be the truth with no evidence, while she at the very least doesn't let that make her a bad person that hates immutable characteristics. Aka, you are a disease that needs to be cured.
I have recently found your channel and have enjoyed listening to you on a number of subjects. I like your approach and your spirit. I am a teacher too, so I love a message which is thoroughly Biblical, well constructed and takes various views into account. I know this is an older message, but this has always been a personal issue for me. I was saved out of this lifestyle almost 40 years ago and have not regretted leaving it behind. Life with Jesus is just so much better. I thought your message was great and I totally agree. I look forward to listening to the other parts.
but homophobia is not biblical, its a sin
@@pastorbri Sure, homophobia is wrong, but the fact that I chose to follow Christ does not make me homophobic. I have gay friends both Christian and not, but my decision how to live is my own, not anyone else's
@@athb4hu I agree but if you choose to follow christ means you must reject the homophobic lifestyle if you are following it.
@@pastorbri What does "homophobic lifestyle" even mean? I have decided what I need to do to follow Christ. I do not judge others, as I realise they need to make their own decisions. If you have a problem with that, then what can I say?
@@athb4hu A lifestyle is a choice and a way of living, both of which are not what homosexuality is. If you follow Christ you would never dream of following the homophobic lifestyle choice. If you have a problem with that, then what can I say?
You have Jesus in your heart...you are a good man 🤍
If culture conflicts with Biblical teaching, it's the culture that needs to change.
so homophobics need to change
@@pastorbri would you say that serial killers, thieves, adulterers or homosexuals need to change? Why single out “homophobes”. There are very few people who have an irrational fear of humans.
@@Lavender-blue80 murder, stealing etc are choices, being born LGBT is not a choice so it is very odd you lump something some people did not choose with things people do choose.....maybe think a bit more on your lack of logic here.
@@pastorbri I posted a response to your comment. However, as far as I can tell Utube appears to have seen fit to remove it. That would be in line with their policy of not permitting any comment that does not line up with their leftist and liberal world view.
@@Lavender-blue80 or maybe they know we should not be supporting the sin of homophobia?
This series is by far the best I have ever seen on this subject. I appreciate your labor. I am now better equipped to witness to the LGBT community. Do you have a dropbox? I would like to get those notes you gave out to the audience.
I don't have a Dropbox but I can send you the notes if you go to Facebook.com/MikeWingerBibleThinker and send me a message requesting it. Thank you for your kind words and I'm thrilled that you find yourself better equipped!
Did you ever get the notes? 4 years later and I found this series and would LOVE to get the notes but not sure if Mike would ever see a message from me.
if you really want to witness to LGBT people, love them as God made them.
@@pastorbri God does not make people sinful.
@@apologiaromana4123 true so why choose to be homophobic then?
I was thinking that too. They want to say the law against same sex doesn't apply, so do they say incest and bestiality aren't sin either anymore, then you got there. 😆
Thank you for this series! I am a follower of Jesus Christ, who desires to be equipped to lead those who want to get out of this lifestyle to know how, with God's help. I want to be ready to give an answer to seekers. Christ gave me hope, when I struggled with same sex attractions that I didn't want. I had not acted out, but had those attractions. I sought biblical counseling & learned the root causes of those desires. I was searching for the wrong "kind" of love, when I needed to come to the point of asking Jesus to set me free, and give me Godly friendships. He did!
but having SSA is not even a sin?!!!!
It takes great courage to speak truth, truth and political correctness cannot occupy the same space. Interpreting scripture to justify sin leads down a dark path.
but homophobics tend to not tell truths
Pastor Mike, I just want to thank you for providing this in-depth type of bible study, especially on topics like this. You are extremely direct, thorough and organized in how you communicate the truth, but you do it in such a gracious and loving manner. Thank you for being such a great example to us all. I pray that God will continue to multiply your reach, so that even more people can be exposed to sound biblical teaching and be transformed by it.
but homophobics lie
@@pastorbri Mike Winger is not homophobic and he is not a liar. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at with this comment. Just because Christians view homosexual activities as sin, that does not mean that they are afraid or scared of people who identify as homosexual.
@@rocksolidhope Christians DO NOT see "homosexual behaviour" as a sin but homophobic acts and it seems you support this sin also. I hope you will repent.
@@pastorbri Based off all the many comments you have left on this video, you have clearly demonstrated that you are not open to any type of intelligent dialogue on this topic. You are, unfortunately, an internet troll so I'm not going to spend my time arguing with you. I hope you will watch Pastor Mike's videos with an open mind and an open Bible. If you aren't willing to do that, then this community is probably not for you since it demonstrates that you are not here to learn. One day you are going to breathe your last and stand before God. If you are unwilling to learn what the Bible actually teaches now, you'll just have to wait for that day to find out the truth. But at that point it will be too late. I sincerely hope that you will repent of your sins and place your trust in Jesus Christ for salvation. He is the only way to salvation. Remember this conversation when you stand before God.
@@rocksolidhope Ignore that guy, he is commenting on every video on lgbt lifestyle... He proclaims to be a pastor, but he is a wolf amongst the sheeps. Just report his comments and you will be fine. He once even said that the bible never speaks of homosexuality...
Some of the best, clearest, most Christ-like teaching on this topic I’ve ever heard. Thank you. Someone very close to me is caught up in this lifestyle. I’m going to listen to this series repeatedly.
but Christ waas aanti homophobia
jesus loved the sinners and the gays, if you aren't picking that up from your bible reading, you should go back to reading school
Mike winger you are straight up money as a preacher well done
Ooooo, thank you.
and yet homophobia is a sin
First, I find you an excellent preacher and speaker and there is a warmth and clear sincerity about you which made me instantly take to you. Second, your accent is very pleasing to the ear. I am from the UK and American accents often grate on me (think of the screechy nasal tones of Lois, the wife in Family Guy). But your accent, speaking tone and pitch are very pleasant and these have definitely strengthened my resolve to listen to all four videos. Third, this is anything but hate speech. No one with a brain could confuse this with hate speech. Fourth, this is a very personal issue for me and in my comments and postings I sometimes go into too much personal detail and I may sound like I need therapy. Please forgive me for sounding like that. David
Winger is a con man, imo. Be careful about trusting the slick talking fake sincerity types.
@ He's very popular.
Your comment here was adorable❤️ Prayed for you 🙏
Wow. This is sound preaching. So glad I find your channel! I aim to utilize these videos to the fullest. Thanks!
Please don't. This is horrible and not secular at all.
homophobia is not sound
We all are sinners who need Jesus.
That is why the gospel is for everyone!
Hey Mike, thanks for your series. I appreciate your loving heart and the gracious way you present this. Also, in the future videos like this, you may want to repeat the questions. It is hard to hear some of them.
My wife and I just found this teaching, and man that thought you had for Leviticus 18:24-29 where these sins are such abominations that God judged the Gentile world by it...That hit us hard and was so good. I've never heard anyone say that about that passage before.
homophobia is an abomination but assume thats ok?
Praying for our friends and neighbors during this "Pride Month"
Specifically, I pray for John Coreia and his family ❤
So good! Excited to watch this whole series. Your heart for biblical truth and approaching the culture with love is such a good example.
homophobia is not a biblical truth
It was awesome being there. I got alot out of that study. Thank you Mike
was there a Q and A? I would have toasted him.
@@eddiebrewster6992 Saaamee... he even used flawed studies that were discredited long ago xD
and yet u don't think homophobia is a sin?
Lolol, this video has only gotten more important with age. Thank you pastor Mike!
Thank you! This is a really great series, a really great source! I really like how you go deep in the scripture! I have been really enjoying your other series too!
homophobics do lie yaa know
@@pastorbri What is homophobic here and what are the lies?
@@kevadtuul you could have looked up the definition.
homophobia
/ˌhɒməˈfəʊbɪə,ˌhəʊməˈfəʊbɪə/
Learn to pronounce
noun
dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
so yes, homophobics do tell lies, being born LGBT is not a sin, never was.
@@pastorbri I don't dislike--and am not prejudiced against--sinners. After all, I'm one myself. We all are.
@@toddthacker8258 true, but being born LGBT is not a sin....so yes you are prejudiced old bean.
Good message, great plaid shirt.
Garbage, hateful rhetoric I think you meant to say.
Sangie Nativus no, he’s not hateful.
Sangie Nativus what did he say EXACTLY that is garbage
@@sangieredwolf Lol you are legit responding to every single comment. Why though?
I am going to share this 4 part series with my teen next week. The indoctrination is coming from every angle and my teen and I enjoy watching Mike Winger together.
thats because the homophobic indoctrination was so satanic and powerful. Don't share more homophobia.
The indoctrination? LMAO. As you indoctrinate your teen
I love listening to you and how well you explain things.
"Gays can change through Christ" proclaimed ex-gay ministries for 40 years, but in 2013 ex-gay leaders admitted no ex-gay became heterosexual. Every major ex-gay ministry from the US to Australia closed. Ex-gay claims never last.
@ It is ridiculous for you to claim "never".
@@Hamann9631- It is not a claim I made up; it is the actual recorded result of everyone in the ex-gay ministries for 40 years all around the globe. You bigots cannot grasp this unless we turn the proposition around so that you can see your own situation - Could you ever choose to change your sexual orientation? Never, well guess what - nobody else can, either. Sexual orientation is a trait not a choice. Grow up
@ The one using ad hominem attacks and claiming to know about many thousands of people tells me to grow up. Oh the irony.
@@Hamann9631ah, you were not able to read and respond to the points, you only had your wittle feelings hurt. lol
At 1:04:30 Mike speaks about a set of approaches we can use to help people in our communities struggling with this temptation. Does anyone know if he manage to address this anywhere? Would you be able to point me to it please? God bless.
Thank you for this series.
never be thankful for homophobia
"I don't have to approve of everything you do in order to love you."
That's SO, SO, SO, SO good!
For a gay person this feels like an empty phrase used in order to explain why one does not have to be loving at all.
It is fake love because usually someone who says that will use the argument in order to avoid gay people instead of being a good friend for them.
Love has to be proofed by actions and not by nice sounding words.
There was no hint of any kind in Mike's discourse on how to lovingly approach gay people.
He first explained what his opinion was and then tried to prove it from the Bible. He did not even ask the question what the texts in the Bible might have meant in their cultural context. Just take Leviticus 20,13. What if a man raped another man. Would both have been put to death? If not, how would you explain that from the scripture? Were is the morality behind this law? Why does it refer to men only and not to women? There is no mention of lesbian sex anywhere in the Old Testament. This should have been part of the scriptural examination before making a judgment.
One who loves unconditionally will be there for people no matter what they have done, just like Jesus who visited the poor, the sick and the prostitutes and sinners of his time.
I hope you are such a person.
God bless you,
Thomas
@@Thomas_Zscheile you have a lot to say, but you know what? This still doesn't negate the fact that, again, I can love you without approving of your lifestyle and if some wants to insist that just because I don't approve of their homosexuality, just like I wouldn't approve of a drug addict's drug use, that I don't love them, that, in fact, I hate them, then you and any other person is dead wrong and you and any other person just sounds like a complaining negative, pessimistic person who wants to whine and talk about "woe is me..."
That fact of the matter is, we all have done wrong things in our lives... Actually, some of us have made the wrong things, whatever they may be, a lifestyle. Those wrong lifestyle choices are not who we are. Otherwise, some should magically turn into drugs, predatory animals, objects, etc. But again, we are NOT the bad decisions we make. If we were, we would not be eligible for redemption and yet, according to God's Word, we ALL are eligible, IF we repent of our sins and give up our "righteousness" for Christ's.... RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Homosexuality, like adultery, like idolatry, like murder, like thievery, like covetousness, like lying... IS A SIN against God.
Anyone who doesn't repent of their sin and surrender to Christ will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. It's just that simple...
People ask why some Christians pick on homosexuality. Well, 1. We're not picking on anything. Let's get that straight... People act like what they want to do or what their loved ones want to do is ok because they don't want to hurt that person's feelings... So, when you act like something that's wrong, is NOT wrong, then those of us who try to know and do right, point out the wrong that's being done, AS IF IT'S OK.
If a person killed another person, for NO REASON, and that person acted as if nothing was wrong, people would be all up in arms about this... Seems to me that it's not Christians who pick and choose, but those who dislike Christians who do...
@@SOULSafeProductionZ I don't want to question your personal love for me or others. Just from my own experiences I told you that the statement you quoted feels to be empty words unless they are proven by loving actions. I experienced people braking up any contact with me after my coming out. I don't feel this to be the way of love. Anyone of these people who claim to love me I have to say that I do not feel loved by them. That was in my mind and maybe my story helps you understand my point of view.
One important question for me has always been: If one cannot choose his/her sexuality then how can it be a sin that prevents God from letting me into his kingdom?
I believe being gay is not a lifestyle the same as being straight is not. It describes a persons sexual attraction, not their actions.
Taking drugs is a decision one makes. Being gay is not. I always felt this way as far as I can think back. If you think differently, then I want to ask you, how and when did you choose to be straight?
Well, one may easily quote a text from the Bible, but this has implications on a person's life. And since some of these might feel like unburiable burdens, the question is, whether this is what God intended with such verses or not. Therefore one has to consider such texts in their historical context and honestly ask whether the text means what they seem to say or if there was some other intention behind it.
For example I would never take a story of a rape as proof for a prohibition against sex between a man and a woman. But this is what is done with the Genesis report about Sodom as regards homosexuality.
Thomas
@@Thomas_Zscheile first and foremost, Thomas, thank you for responding back. Secondly, I know I don't know you, but I love you... You are a human being and, as such, you deserve love and respect.
@@Thomas_Zscheile should the people who were in your life, claiming to be your loved ones and claiming to love you, have left once you admitted to being gay? No. Again, I can love you and not agree with the way you live... And if you say that I can't, the big question you need to confront is not whether I'm a bigot or not. It's "Do you REALLY want true love or do you just want someone to cosign whatever you do?"
Het Mike, this is controversial in my student association right now and people really dislike what i have to say, but you're giving me very thorough and thoughtful ways to bring these points across. Thank you, my associates have to hear the truth
Thank you for this Mike. It’s timely and so helpful. (even 5 years after the original series) As a Christian woman who hit my teen years in the 90’s, Watching “Pride” kind of take off socially, not becoming a Christian until my late 20’s, and having since remained pretty docile on this topic. I’m over here convicted of being in Fear of Man dude… thanks again for all your research and work presenting this!
so u think homophobia is ok now?
@@pastorbri I think we should stop pacifying sin out of fear of man … phobia means fear .. the Grace and Power of the Holy Spirit urges us stay in the clarity of Truth. I don’t fear homosexuality..I don’t celebrate it either. Hopefully you’re not leading a flock in the twisted ideas that it’s “not harming anyone so …” or leading a congregation in the lies that “it’s not sin” to fully surrender to the destruction of the flesh.
@@tamara1819 sigh a phobia is NOT a fear.....a phobia is an irrational hate, dislike or fear or all 3 of something so it seems you are oddly pacifying this sin as something not so bad. Most homophobics don't fear homosexuality as this is not what the term means. Hopefully you’re not leading a pro homophobic flock in the twisted ideas that it’s “not harming anyone so …” or leading a congregation in the lies that “it’s not sin to be homophobic” to fully surrender to the destruction of the flesh.
@@tamara1819 Love is not a sin Galatians 5:22-23 says as much.
Becoming radicalized by older Christians into unbiblical theology won't make your faith stronger or more sincere.
@@Grokford However, in the very same scripture you quoted (without context, may I add), the author also says that "faithfulness" and "self-control" are fruits of the Spirit. And, if I'm not mistaken, in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 it says, and I quote, "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the s*xually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have s*x with men, nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." In this passage, Paul is writing to the Galatians about how lawsuits against men won't help anything (essentially), and goes on to say how we have all sinned against God, and yet we were forgiven rather than made to pay our debt. Most of these sins he states are a result of a lack self control, specifically of our own prideful nature. So why do you pick and choose what you like out of Scripture? Do you have evidence that supports your freedom to "cherry-pick"?
Superb teaching as always Mike!
Really learned a lot. I would like for you to repeat the questions from audience at end before answering. I couldn’t hear very well.
the links to the follow up videos are not attached , not easy to find the proper sequence
God bless pastor Mike.
God doesn't bless sin of homophobia
Correctional Healthcare Nurse for decades. This four part series tells the sad truth for so many. America a victim, too, of lawlessness by Law. Thank you for speaking HOLY BIBLE Wisdom. HOLY BIBLE gets it.
homophobiaa is not wisdom
@pastorbri why are you here? You clearly do not believe the bible
Just as the last guy said, maybe God sent me to you, a friend at work told me about one of your videos and since then I think I have seen them all I like the way you explain things so I can understand them thank you Mr Winger keep it up and I will watch all your videos thank you sir 😊
God cures homophobia
I really love this Pastor! So young and yet filled with more Wisdom than the Catholic priests I've heard. I decided to leave the RCC and it's been a struggle....not easy! Please tell me what denomination this is!
I'm not sure but you can look him up. Mike Winger. He is probably non-denominational. Just follows the bible Sola Scriptura.
K M Hey! I hope you're doing well! I'm a former Catholic as well. Glad to hear you're desiring to embrace a truly biblical way of faith now! Pastor Mike is part of the Calvary Chapel movement of churches. There's probably one near you. Blessings!
Sarah thank you! I'm doing ok but oddly I miss some of the ceremonial trappings such as singing psalms, hymns, lighting advent wreath, and Easter lent. I've been going to a Pentacostal church but don't feel the worship singing is really worship. I wish a confession of belief and the Lord's Prayer were recited at times. I think I will try to find a chapel like this or an Evangelical Free church that has hymnals. If you have any thoughts on this I would be open! Thanks
For starts watch all his teaching videos on RCC, check out 'soul refuge' s videos read the whole bibe your self, then go visit his church. There are many like him too...
@@KM-zn3lx hymns on TH-cam are good, plus many RCC hymns are bad actually, try SDA church too....
52:35 out of context is hilarious.
Also, this content in general is FIRE.
pray for allot of the Poole commenting on your videos
its literally makes my heart ache
We cannot “rescue” anyone. That is carnal arrogance! We can share the gospel with love and the truth defends itself through the grace of God. Each person has equal access to Jesus and it’s their faith journey to have a personal relationship with Him.
@@elaineedwards7149 exactly. We share the gospel but we don’t preach to them. God gave us the freedom to make choices and learn from them. We can encourage people to promote hope but we cannot save anyone. Jesus takes care of that part,
@@elaineedwards7149 Telling people they are going to hell or are wrong for something they cannot help is not caring for them. You want to show you are Christ-like. Start fasting, start giving all your money away, start sticking up for "the least of these." I have never met a Christian who was Christ-like. Only a bunch of prideful cowards who hide behind his name
You spiritually filled Mike. 💕 God Bless us all.
and yet homophobia is a sin
According to whose standards? Yours? The cultures? Or God’s? It is not “homophobia” to defend biblical marriage and condemn same-sex behavior.
“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6-9)
Please cite the Biblical verse word for word that states “homophobia” is a sin. Pastor Wagner was nothing but kind, generous and factual when delivering his message, so how could there be any offense or accusations of “homophobia” on your part?
According to whose standards? Yours? The cultures? Or God’s? It is not “homophobia” to defend biblical marriage and condemn same-sex behavior.
“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6-9)
Please cite the Biblical verse word for word that states “homophobia” is a sin. Pastor Wagner was nothing but kind, generous and factual when delivering his message, so how could there be any offense or accusations of “homophobia” on your part?
According to whose standards? Yours? The cultures? Or God’s? It is not “homophobia” to defend biblical marriage and condemn same-sex behavior.
“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6-9)
Please cite the Biblical verse word for word that states “homophobia” is a sin. Pastor Wagner was nothing but kind, generous and factual when delivering his message, so how could there be any offense or accusations of “homophobia” on your part?
According to whose standards? Yours? The cultures? Or God’s? It is not “homophobia” to defend biblical marriage and condemn same-sex behavior.
“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Corinthians 6-9)
Please cite the Biblical verse word for word that states “homophobia” is a sin. Pastor Wagner was nothing but kind, generous and factual when delivering his message, so how could there be any offense or accusations of “homophobia” on your part?
The word of God don’t lie.
I’m really thankful for this Mike. I appreciate it. God bless.
you appriciate lies?
The world says "if it feels good just do it.". Sin feels good because it appeals to the fallen nature. Sin leads to death. One has to decide if it's really worth it to die for temporary satisfaction.
@ That's true, Rusty.
God gave us the ability to feel good. Sex is not only for procreation it's for bonding too.
Souls do not have gender. That is something only our physical shell have.
Did you even read the Bible? I'm guessing no.
@@sangieredwolf Ya, I agree with that. I read somewhere on this page something to the effect that gay's don't procreate. I believe Mike also stated that. God gave sex for enjoyment, not just for procreation. Amen.
Thank you so much for the Word of the one true God. Thank God for his mercy and for your wisdom granted by God Jehovah.
Christians have the "hate the sin" part down but NOT the "love the sinner".
Yeah agreed. Do you have any references? Specific ones
Maybe because our God never said that.
God does not love the sinner. This is not biblical. He hates the sinner, hence why his son had to come and die for the sinner so that the sinner could be covered in Jesus' blood in order to enter heaven.
@@dapper_slapper4093 Since you're also a sinner, that would mean God doesn't love you either then....
@@Longe exactly what I am saying and what the Bible says.
@MikeWinger do you have notes from these teachings that I could use/study?
Mike, thank you for this teaching. You help and equip us to look at these issues biblically. Because there are so many voices out there.
voices of LGBT tend to not be heard more
Thank you for your amazing and clear teachings. They help me a lot.
I’m so glad that church members, pastors, and theologians are beginning to wake up to the false teaching of Mike Winger and those like him, regarding LGBTQ concerns. Winger does an excellent job in so many other areas, but lacks thoroughness on this topic. I truly hope and pray he will do his homework and see God’s perspective by understanding these passages in their accurate historical context.
Any addendums to this video? I'm viewing this about 5 years after its creation and want to know if there's anything that I should know that you have found @Mike Winger
I would warmly praise this - and the other three videos - as everyone would benefit from listening to this teaching. I have asked questions and I take issue with some points. However I recognise a man of God when I see him. Much work and prayer has gone into these sessions. Respect, Mike.
you praise the sin of homophobia?
I am gay, but a Christian, and I do not condone this lifestyle. I am aware of it being a sin, but it's been hard to overcome. I started dating a guy back when I was an atheist, and now we have been together nearly a decade. I can't envision my life without him. He is a Christian as well, and we pray about this issue. You think it'd be simple, we love each other and in reality following Christ and turning away from this sin would be the right thing to do, but when you have lived with someone for so long and get along with them really well, it's exceptionally hard to find the strength to abandon that life. What makes it more difficult, is me becoming a Christian was due to his family's influence on my life. I do not advocate for the lgbt, but I pray for them. And I pray for any young man or woman going through a similar thing that I did. Turn away from this Sin if you can. Jesus loves you and he will find a way for you. Perhaps me and my boyfriend staying together shows a fear or lack of faith. I pray that God helps me with this internal struggle.
Praying for you and your boyfriend, brother! I admire your desire to put Christ first- “the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak” is really so true! But I know that in God’s holy timing, you both will be able to overcome. He will take you through valleys of learning so you can grow ever closer to Him, whatever state your relationships may be in. And some day, you will look back and see a miracle! Stay the course. Love from a sister in Christ. 💛
Andrew,
This is a very difficult situation. I understand the grip of sin is very strong and Christians must fight sin every day of their lives. I would like to start by saying that there is simply no such thing as a gay Christian. A Christian identifies with Christ, hence the title of "Christian". Therefore, placing any other identification before "Christian" contradicts itself. For example, you are not a murderer-Christian or a thief-Christian or alcoholic-Christian. Being a Christian means a complete separation from the world and a complete submission to the Lord, Jesus Christ.
Consider Romans 6:1-4 "1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life."
Verse 1 asks the question, "Are we to continue in sin?" In your case, it would be continuing to live with your boyfriend and pursuing a relationship with him. Verse 2 answers the question posed in verse 1, "May it never be!" In other words, Christians are called to make a CLEAN break with the world. That means the sinful lifestyles we lead, the idols we worship, or the sinful relationships we have all must be done away with. Verses 3 and 4 talk more about dying to sin which is the idea that, in Christ, our life before we became Christians was put to death and BURIED with Christ in His death and burial. What springs forth from the grave is a new creature with a new life. This is exemplified in verse 4 in which it ends with the idea of walking "in newness of life."
2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come."
I noticed in your comment that you talked about being aware that the life you are living is a sin but it is hard to break away from. The difficulty of breaking away from sin is a truth for ALL people. I will admit that sexual sin is certainly a unique kind of sin, but it is a sin nonetheless and requires repentance. In continuing to live with and be in a relationship with your boyfriend, you are living in unrepentant sin. So what needs to take place is repentance of that sin and clinging to Christ.
The apostle Paul talks of his thorn in his flesh in 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 of which Paul implored the Lord three times to remove it from him. Whatever that thorn was obviously caused Paul a great deal of stress and made him feel weak. In the midst of Paul's weakness, the Lord said to Paul "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness" What is brought out here is that the Lord does not always miraculously make things easy for Christians. Instead, we are to recognize our weakness and lean wholly into the Lord and be OBEDIENT to Him. We are not to succumb to our weaknesses and be complacent. God is present with us in our struggles for sure but He requires cooperation with Him to bring about holiness in us.
I hope this all makes sense to you and that the Lord softens your heart to Him. I am praying for you and your partner's repentance and pursuit of the Lord.
Saw an ad for Ben Shapiro before this
I'm sorry.
Rewatching in honor of 2023 Pride Month, LOL. Best series on this topic on TH-cam.
"I kinda get that being called a bigot is bad but my culture and the scholastic tradition of my religion says they are bad how do I say this without being called a bigot do I say love a lot let's say love a lot."
I have never ever heard this taught in the Lutheran Church. I have so wanted a Biblically based teaching because I want to think and act in accordance with God's will. I want to always act in love.
then reject the homophobic lifestyle choice
You know what the truly terrifying part in all of this is? We won't even know the half of what happens to people like Mr. Vine when God judges him for what he's done to the word of God, let alone for leading so many countless people astray.
Mike if you have Jesus you are no longer a sinner but the righteousness of God in Christ.
I have one issue with this...
Dignity, self esteem and pride are not the same thing.
They often go hand-in-hand but they are not the same.
I agree that God is not nearly as concerned with out dignity and self esteem as He is with righteousness (obviously), but these things do not automatically equal pride.
anyone know where i can find his notes on this?
The stoning of disobedient children and parents disciplining their children had me rolling. Loved the video. Thank you pastor Mike.
yes as all the old laws are dead now.
It's June 2022 n this teaching here is enlightening n very very good...
Your leviticus 18:22 claim does not address the argument progressive Christians make about the full connotations of the word used to denote "lying with" in Hebrew.
It also doesn't address theproblems with the translation or the fact that Christians don't follow Mosaic law.
Thank you so much for what you’re sharing!
You say to request your notes on Facebook-I found you on FB and followed you, but it still doesn’t allow me to message you privately-I don’t want to put my email address in a public post. What can I do to receive your notes?
We are currently living in a time when someone's behavior IS their identity, so criticizing the behavior automatically criticizes them. So thankful for this video.
No darling that's not it.
People are not upset about criticisms of their sex live, they're upset about the implications you're making while criticizing their sex.
At the bare minimum anti-gay rhetoric requires you to believe that Queer people are in some way broken, more often it also includes the veiled implication that Queer people are incapable of love or don't know what love is.
It's dehumanizing, of course people are upset.
Are sermon notes available to us? There’s so much here. I’d love to have a reference I can go back and study.
"Gays can change through Christ" proclaimed ex-gay ministries for 40 years, but in 2013 ex-gay leaders admitted no ex-gay became heterosexual. Every major ex-gay ministry from the US to Australia closed. Sexual orientation is not a choice. If you don't get it, try changing yours.
@ There are at least 117 prophecies, appearances, or foreshadowings (PAF’s) of Christ in the Law, at least 144 PAF’s in the Writings, and at least 153 PAF’s in the Prophets. A minimal total for the entire Old Testament, therefore, is 414. Plus, you must be aware of the Dead Sea scrolls by now. If that doesn't make a believer of you, you are deceiving yourself. The argument that that the Bible was re-written countless times goes out the window, for the book of Isaiah (just as one example) is exactly as it reads today. The Scrolls can be positively dated. They are 1000 years older than previously used manuscripts - and yet the text shows no deviation. Until the discovery of the scrolls, the oldest known translation of the Hebrew Bible dated from 1009 A.D. What they showed us is that the texts we do have even from Medieval Bibles have been amazingly accurately preserved.
God loves you. He made you from eternity. Don't fight Him. If you fight His Word, remember He is the Word made flesh and you will be fighting Yeshua. Give in to the gentle Shepherd. He will not steer you wrong, and your life after this life will be heaven eternal.
PS. I am not a "Fundie", so do not think I am speaking from that bias.
@ "Why would a god write a book when 99% of the people alive were illiterate? A-hole move, don't you think?" Answer is, so that the literate among the Christian community could expound upon the scriptures to the admittedly mostly illiterate Christian community in the first Century, and, of course for future posterity, God being omniscient and seeing that literacy would increase in the last few centuries. Actually, the #1 way God spoke to His children in the First Century was through dreams and vision, that always confirmed the written Logos, the Torah, that is until the New Testament was completely penned approximately 80 AD.
Fictional prophesies? Israel has been restored like the OT says.
I know I’m a little late to the game here but acts 10 is Not telling us that we are now allowed to eat unclean foods
Good Word!
You have helped me thank you.
FYI. When I was 19 and living on my own in Pgh. P.A., I had 2 roommates that belonged to the S.D.S. Coming from a Democratic. Christian family I thought the SDS was a Democratic group for young people. I didn't realize it was essentially a group brought together by socialists/communists in order to indoctrinate people, especially young people. I came home one day and found they were having a meeting. I overheard one of the items on their agenda. Mind you this was 1969. The era of anything goes so long as it felt good. Not right; good. The item on their agenda that night was to teach people to accept homosexuality as normal to control population growth among other things, like demoralize people and lead them away from God. I agree with you Mike, but we have created a world that is going to take a long time to turn around. I love my homosexual friends, but I do explain that I do not accept homosexual marriage in the eyes of God. No humiliation, just honesty. Thanks for a much needed talk
If like your friends and accept them, then why won’t it let them be happy with a marriage they would want?
YEP! Former KGB Agent Yuri Bezmenov mentions it also all the way back from the eighties too. Everything started from the Fabian Society in which historically was actually founded by Freemasons and Rosicrucians. NOT KIDDING AROUND UNFORTUNATELY! It's not a conspiracy at all. The beliefs or manifesto of the Illuminati that was established in the late 18th century is exactly the same as the Communists on religion and private property, etc. Oh Yeah, I just forgot to include THE FRANKFURT SCHOOL and HERBERT MARCUSE.
ALSO, there's actually good news that you might have not heard of due to the dishonest liberal media and Alarmist Christians. PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING BACK! Globalism is collapsing for right now. Which explains the rise of Prime Minister Victor Orban, Vladimir Putin, and Populist Nationalists. I would like to recommend you to subscribe to Dr. Steve Turley's TH-cam Channel. It will absolutely blow your mind all the way. TAKE THE WHITE PILL!
Thank you Mike for standing firm in the Bible when the flow of culture is increasingly powerful.
but the bible is against homophobia
@@pastorbri I don't know where it says that explicitly, but yes- I would agree, I think being afraid of homosexuals isn't a Christian value
@@rawar777joshanderson but homophobia isn't a fear. Its a form of hate and bigotry so yes its a sin.
@@pastorbri Its absolutely a sin to hate people....so what are you getting at?
@@rawar777joshanderson the fact that homophobia is a sin then and abusing Gods word to allow us to hate them is just that. Thats what Im getting at.
Mike - I'm at min 23:00. Your point about man/woman being opposite and suitable is a good point and is a basis of fact and reflection. I find it VERY interesting that homosexual couples try to MIMIC the heterosexual relationship. Look at gay couples and 99% will have a male-like dominate one and a female-like partner, in their demeanor and relationship. The normal standard is copied because it is right and brings security, but they pervert the design of God..
In gay relationships between men, there is no "female" anywhere. There are just different positions. It just means homosexuals have more options in the bedroom and can swap top/bottom roles if they want. Did you also know not all gay men have anal sex? Crazy thought. But sometimes there is no dominant partner and you can engage in frottage, 69, etc. It's about pleasuring your lover not what position you are in.
So where did you get your 99% statistic? Did you just make it up or do you have a source for that?
You need to get to know gay people. It is true that there are masculine and feminine roles that each person takes on, but being masculine or feminine is of ones essence, not a perversion.
I was unable to click the "thumbs up" button so since i am able to comment, I will comment. This is a very well thought out message that we all -- Christians and non-christians should embrace.
God Bless. The blind cannot see.
Yes, people who are blind to facts and science can't see.
@@feat.cicero4638 There is NO gay gene.
Thank you Mike!
Got to say it's nice to see a theist stand up and say what they believes clearly and respectfully. Definitely the best I've seen from you.
Got to slightly disagree with your interpretation of how the sins are listed, they can't really be in which is worst order, unless you think bestiality is worse than raping a 5 year old, but yes one being debatable doesn't mean the list is totally wrong and others can be ignored.
A big problem I see in your argument though is, if being gay doesn't fit because you can't procreate (this after all is the basic argument) they surely being single is just as bad as being gay?
Being single you can't procreate just because you don't have a partner. Being gay you can't procreate With Your Partner.
@@shmataboro8634 IVG is going to blow your mind
@mikewinger can I get these notes?
The bible is so cĺear that this sin is not
God's design for sexual behavior the
ONLY relationship is MAN AND WOMAN in marriage
But what is God's reason for it being a sin?
@@rockmusicvideoreviewer896 because if
you know your Bible there are many passages that speak out against this
behavior I don't have the room to
enumerate them but to me the original
design in Genesis 3 is a good starting
point, also the destruction of Sodom,
Leviticus 19 which states that man
shouldn't lie with another man as a
he would a woman, if caught they
we're to be killed, in the New Testament,
Read Roman's 1st chapter, and 1 Corithians
6:9 says homosexuals won't be in heaven
You can continue with this sin, but
knowing first hand how deceptive this
lifestyle can be I'm free from it, and
living a celebate life without the fear
of Judgement
Yes, your religion is clear on its hate and disgusting values
Can I get your notes on this topic?
I'm 45 years old and I am a closeted lesbian. Never felt attracted to men ever since. People tell that I am a good person. I am Christian, I volunteer at the kids' church. I had this 1 woman I loved and we broke up but now we are communicating again. I want to take her back. I am asking God, if this feeling is a sin, then take it out. In the past many men had laid their intentions on me, I tried twice to have a bf with the hope that I will fall for them but it did not happen, instead they were hurt with our breakups.. and I don't want this to happen again. So I am setting my mind.. to share the future with some1 I truly love. So now, will I be doomed forever? I just don't get it, why God allow me to have this feeling since my grade school if it is a sin.
I don't believe that homosexuality or even homoeroticism is a sin. That being said even if it were the case, it would not be a unique sin and certainly not a sin that is beyond the grace of God. To say otherwise is deny the sufficiency of God's grace
The reasons that I believe that the common anti-queer interpretations of scripture are a bit complex to cover briefly, though I'm happy to elaborate, but I think there is a simpler fatal blow to that worldview and that is Love.
God is love, or so it says in 1 John 4:8, and some people like to make this love something esoteric or beyond the common experience of love . But I think that 1 John 4:8 contradicts that notion "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."
Certainly, English uses the word love for things that are not love but most of us know what love is and can tell the difference. The Greek word used in this passage is _agape_ which might be translated as care. It is the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:25 when it says that husbands should love their wives, proving that it is not incompatible with romantic or sexual love.
Most importantly _agape_ is also the word used for Love in Galatians 5:22-23, which lists Love as a fruit of the Spirit "against which there is no law".
Love is treated as a universal good, so is constructive companionship or fellowship for that matter.
It's also worth mentioning that scripture also discounts the differences of gender. Galatians 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
Before God we are equal, obviously differences exist between us, but I hardly think that our fundamental equality has an exception in gender. Gender does not divide us any more than ethnicity or social status.
God's love is infinite, why then would we ever expect that the divine expression of love in us wouldn't be the same?
No one ever said that in the process of becoming more like God that we would become more like eachother.
@@Grokford Thank you so much for taking time to share your opinion. It somehow gives me another view abt. relationships. But what can you say about " conviction" ? Isn't this a gift from God to help us know what is sin or not?
@@cathcruz7002
I think that conviction is a very important thing, I think that Romans 14 gives a good description of the matter.
That being said, if we are going to practice this it is fundamental that we separate conviction from shame. Conviction is usually considered to be either internal or divine in origin, whereas shame is external, that is to say, from other people.
Often Queer people can overcome the intellectual hurdles of accepting their orientation but are still plagued by feelings of shame.
I am very fortunate in some ways because I was never out enough for people to implant ideas of shame around my sexuality but I still deal with lingering feelings of shame around related issues like my mannerisms, presentation, voice and especially ideas of familial responsibility.
This time last year I made the decision to move a good distance away from my family and even though I knew that the situation had become toxic, if not abusive, it was still an incredibly difficult thing to do. But it wasn't conviction that was trying to stop me, it was shame and a good bit of fear.
Fear and discomfort are normal parts of change, positive and negative.
I probably couldn't tell you which is shame and which is conviction, so I'm afraid that that is left to your own discernment.
1 John 4 says that we are to "test the spirits" because not everything is true, so I believe personal discernment to be a biblically necessary practice.
But I would ultimately agree that conviction, is crucial.
Not all rules are good and beneficial to all people, I have no problem being around drunk people, but an alcoholic might feel differently.
It's only a sin when men do it.
I can’t definitively speak for Mike, but I think he and others like him would say that the act and not the attraction is sin. I’ve also heard him speak about praying God take desires (and the like) away if they are not meant to be. Careful with that. Finally, there is nothing wrong with singleness.
I don't know who said this. Might have been some rando on the internet that I heard it from, but it's fairly apt here. And it's that apathetic acceptance of self-destructive behavior (i.e. drug use, homosexuality, self harm, etc.) is not love. It's actually the opposite of love.