This was a great discussion! You mentioned primary sources for understanding Revelation. What primary sources do you recommend people read for a better understanding of Revelation?
This is really good stuff. Thank you. I often compare popular images of human kings with the image of our Lord on the Cross. It seems to me that one of these is an image of man God can accept and forgive. One is not.
I appreciate this comment. Reminds me of the climactic scene in Indiana Jones The Last Crusade, where Indiana finds himself surveying an array of golden, bejeweled chalices, guarded by the knight of the holy grail. Indiana wants to find the cup for its supernatural healing properties, to heal his dad Henry of a recent life threatening gunshot wound.. Too old to fight, the knight gives up his sword to Indiana (surrender), saying the cup is his to have, but refuses to reveal which cup is the One. As a final test of worthiness to have the cup. He warns Indiana, that if he drinks from the wrong cup, it will lead to immediate death (as demonstrated when the antagonist in the previous scene dies immediately after drinking from one of the many wrong cups). In the scene, Indiana remembers Jesus was a carpenter and selects the sole modest-looking cup, sitting hidden, in the back behind the glamorous, chalices that glint in the light, almost obscure in the shadow of other cups. It was a coppery cup, that looked unremarkable on the outside, humble in comparison, but spotless and pure on the inside.
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This was a great discussion! You mentioned primary sources for understanding Revelation. What primary sources do you recommend people read for a better understanding of Revelation?
Primary sources: Daniel 7-12, 1 Enoch, 4 Ezra, and 2 Baruch. Secondary sources on apocalypses: Adela Yarbro Collins, Crisis and Catharsis; John Collins, Apocalyptic Imagination; Anathea Portier-Young, Apocalypse Against Empire. Introductions to Revelation: Bauckham, The Theology of Revelation; deSilva, Revelation: Content, Interpretation, Reception; Gorman, Reading Revelation Responsibly. Commentaries on Revelation: Aune (3 vols.); Koester.
This is really good stuff. Thank you. I often compare popular images of human kings with the image of our Lord on the Cross. It seems to me that one of these is an image of man God can accept and forgive. One is not.
I appreciate this comment.
Reminds me of the climactic scene in Indiana Jones The Last Crusade,
where Indiana finds himself surveying an array of golden, bejeweled chalices, guarded by the knight of the holy grail.
Indiana wants to find the cup for its supernatural healing properties, to heal his dad Henry of a recent life threatening gunshot wound..
Too old to fight, the knight gives up his sword to Indiana (surrender), saying the cup is his to have, but refuses to reveal which cup is the One.
As a final test of worthiness to have the cup.
He warns Indiana, that if he drinks from the wrong cup, it will lead to immediate death (as demonstrated when the antagonist in the previous scene dies immediately after drinking from one of the many wrong cups).
In the scene, Indiana remembers Jesus was a carpenter and selects the sole modest-looking cup, sitting hidden, in the back behind the glamorous, chalices that glint in the light, almost obscure in the shadow of other cups.
It was a coppery cup, that looked unremarkable on the outside, humble in comparison, but spotless and pure on the inside.