It's sad for the workers but not a disgrace. It has to be done. Or we'll destroy the Environment and the Earth. For example in the US: "Coal-fired power plants are responsible for one-third of America’s carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions-about the same amount as all transportation sources -- cars, SUVs, trucks, buses, planes, ships, and trains -- combined."
@@geoh7777 Yeah it's still there, that said, many urban areas are polluted to a level deemed unacceptable for human life, and many natural resources are drying up as a result of us taking them. Shall we just keep doing so, or should we look to a cleaner future?
The mines needed to close, it was inevitable, was going to happen sooner or later. the would moved on to better, cheaper far more efficient gas, coal was redundant, or are you suggesting we should block progression just to keep a dying industry alive?
@@TheTaterTotP80 So does foreign coal not destroy the environment? Explain how magic foreign coal is good for the environment. It's a terrible thing for this country and its people.
+MasterMorality Master Kellingley colliery is near to pontefract and castleford its in north yorkshire just mp is nigel adams selby and ainsty. It closed on friday 18th december 2015 i worked there 29 years
+MasterMorality Master surface worker approx 450 pound a week and coal face worker bout 700 others in beetween also depended on production as bonusus could be added for more coal
I feel if I worked in a mine, I would be like Zoolander. Now I feel guilty for saying my office job is hard. So unfair how this country is being sold out, British people deserve so much better.
@@MetalDEmpire true, but we can't leave these people behind. We must find them alternative jobs in their towns and neighbourhoods, we mustn't forget them...
The decarbonisation argument would make sense if they were getting rid of uk coal mines to stop burning coal. They’re doing it to import cheaper foreign coal instead
What Thatcher did to the miners and the poor in general was hugely damaging, but the mining industry had been in decline since 1923. This was always the fate of Britain’s coal mines
Problem was that Thatcher and co. JUST closed the mines. No thought into alternative energy or employment, or means of creating a new product to export for Britain. They just closed the mines, paid out the redundancy, and condemned thousands of families to societal decline for the next 40 years.
Eyebrows absolutely. The collapse was totally mismanaged by the Thatcher government in the name of free market economics. The funds needed for the people living in those areas now are higher than ever and many aren’t working because their main source of employment closed
@@starguy321 Agreed. What a lot of working class Tories would say is "they should just get another job lol" "have some initiative". Except it's the council that gives permissions for shops and businesses to be opened, and they need the green light from higher government. And with the government not putting in any catchment schemes BEFORE these jobs were closed and people put into unemployment, you end up with an entire generation being embittered by their own government, and then when entrepeneurs come to the UK to open small corner shops (ie, Pakistanis, Indians, etc) it's SO EASY for the right wing press to lay the blame of stealing jobs at their feet.
Eyebrows councils being underfunded too means they haven’t got the money to improve local communities. The lack of educational opportunities too in underfunded areas means many can’t get the qualifications required to escape. Those that simply move away often join the huge and rising numbers of homeless people in London and other major cities. This is combined with the hugely demoralising and depressing state of decline and unemployment
The problem is that they closed the mines but WHY the government didn't create industry or something to give the people where to work, dignified, worthy jobs, worthy salaries. They closed but what happened with so many workers?
Gerente Police the British Government doesn’t care about the workers. The politicians never worked a day in there life in hard labor or knew the importance of such commodity that keeps the lights on when all other power sources falter. (Wind isn’t always blowing, the sun isn’t always out, hydro needs special places) but in Britain- destroying the nation gets more votes than fixing it.
Don't know the numbers for Britain but when the last Coal Mine here in Germany closed down two years ago each job filled by a miner ended up being subsidized with twice his monthly wage. At some point you can't really justify keeping an industry alive through taxpayers' money if it can't evenn remotely hope to toss its own weight some day. Especially when you let other industries die left, right and center. It doesn't mean the government should abandon Mining Communities and act like it's none of its business - because of course it is. But you can't keep funding dead industries into all eternity either.
Vandalism of a viable pit to make way for cheap imports from South American coal mine in dreadful conditions with very little health and safety there's still millions of tons of coal imported to the UK so there's still a demand for it typical Tories what you can't see doesn't matter I'm from fife in Scotland there used to be a few mines here but all gone now
Send them to PA we need more miners to replace the aging miners. Plus the work days are shorter, pay is better, workings aren’t as filthy and the communities are safe and clean. Also the underground work is safe to.
The redundancy payments are a farce and probably a day or two's income for Cameron! Having been made redundant exactly one year ago my heart goes out to them,I was lucky as I'd left the UK in 92 and have been working in Belgium so I got a good settlement.
+Antony Phoenix the redundancy is a farce 29 years and im getting 11,400 state my dad got 3 times that in 1988 when he left .thatcher at least paid the miners off decently moron is giving us nowt
The guy at 1:29 is prophetic and is getting right so far " They've just shut pit upon pit after the strike. They'll be next, steel workers. Then power stations then the car workers" . 3 other industries balancing on a knife edge, even more so since the brexit vote.
I wonder if it IS the decline of the carbon age. World consumption of coal is rising. When, in 1960, the Japanese government decided to move from coal to oil, and when the coal industry here (Japan) fell into terminal decline, Japan needed about 60m tons. Now it is closer to 200 mil.
TommyTwobats without coal. When the green energy fails like it does every time the wind stops or the sun is behind the clouds, the only reason most nations have lights is coal. Coal is abundant and reliable. Plus the things coal does is so important to everyday life, water filters, charcoal, cleaner, carbon fiber, sulfur products, and cooking pans. Even space going vehicles have equipment made from coal on them. But if you sit in a coffee shop drinking a clean brewed coffee eating food fresh from the skillet, with your carbon fiber paneled car going to a Barbecue, you would never know it. Well google can tell all the uses of coal since Wikipedia records all of this.
My dad's relatives, his dad and his uncles, used to work in coal mines. It is sad to see that they have gone into memory and that they are not being used anymore.
Why is it sad? Coal mining is a horrible, difficult and extremely dangerous job. It is also terrible for the long term health of the miners. You should be happy that men don't have to toil in those hellish mines anymore.
It's not sad at all. They priced themselves out of a diminishing market with their strikes and walkouts. And it is a terrible industry with terrible working conditions.
nahimgood Yes I know these are good hard working men a lot better than some of the cunts I have been forced to work with but Thatcher can not keep being blamed for this Labour cunts that killed my little baby closed a lot coal mines in the 1970's and we have had two Labour Gov's since Thatcher that signed the UK up to this CO2 wank lie to put the poor out of work and to tax them more. Just to get solar panels I have to go to Arizona to put them up because I keep being told NO to using my own land in Dorset I also keep being told NO to planting trees on my own land also and yes by Labour cunts as well as I have owed my land for more than 25 years !
Further - as regards to coal,yes we should be looking for a cleaner alternative but until that has been achieved why import coal when there is still workable mines,this "cheaper" talk is bullshit as just how many miners are now claiming benefits whilst the Top executives are reaping in the rewards off the closure of both the mines and the Steelworks.
The closed all the pits by us left us Daw Mill and Cov pits after the closed the others in the 1960s-1980s Daw mill was biggest pit in uk when it closed in 2013. Days after it closed uk coal had a restructure property side that owns all the mine sites became harworth estates and the mining business eventually went into administration. Recently harworth estates put in to build a container depot and 24/7 heavy industry site on Daw Mill. So even now they going to make money out the communities these pit once provided work for.
Shuggy Thomas yep bad decisions. They say there is easily 56million tonnes under Daw mill but they just don't want it don't think it's just government to blame though pit owners and management and also folks that think just because it's cheaper it must be better. there's a hidden agenda some where that the average man does not see.
Live in a place where an old coal mine was it was called denaby main colliery and it was less than 200metres away from another one called cadeby colliery. It’s in England and in a place called conisbrough denaby and Cadeby
+TackyWhale you should chek out "West Cumbria Mining" they are going to be mining met coal, going to create 500+ jobs, I hope other companies follow their lead and see that their is a future for coal in the UK www.westcumbriamining.com
Hi James is the tin mine called "South Crofty" owned Strongbow Exploration Inc?, all this news of new mines and ex mines reopening sounds encouraging for the whole UK mining industry
The media makes me laugh they only report when a mine is closing but never when the mines r doing well. Government is a joke should never have closed 80% of mines
What ? like stacking the shelves of supermarkets for a fraction of their former wages. Green jobs are no substitute for real jobs that pay proper wages.
Had this been running right now there will be Class 66 coal trains to Doncaster where Class 92 runs Doncaster Calais Frethun for SNCB HLE28/29 Bombardier Calais Frethun via Aachen Hagen Vorhalle Werdohl. The other route is Calais Frethun Thonville Metz Woippy End BB27000 start DB BR185.0 Forbach Mannheim Frankfurt Main Werdohl. In the 1980s there are trains towards the Tees Valley Line
@Mgameing123 thank you for telling me about that however when I look at train simulator forums which is also part of railway Forums they always mention HAA from this Coal Mine
Well we only have the EU and their free trade policies to thank. A simple tariff on imported coal would have saved all of Britain's mines but we weren't allowed to do that thanks to the EU. While other industrial countries in Europe are getting rich exporting thousands of tonnes of coal to the UK every day our own miners and their families are left jobless, thank God we have left the EU
most ppl dont know this but thats so true i was not around during thachers time and everyone pro and agenst her are biast so i am nutral but the eu is more responsbal for the mines closing then her
Are you a paid Tory propagandist or just daft?....The EU had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the mines being forcibly shut down against all economic and environmental logic...now we have nuclear which is at least a million times more potentially hazardous
did i just here right?? 13 grand for a 39 year career underground , thats all the redundancy they gave them?? thats day light robbery and wont even last a year, How is that even allowed??
If you’re going to cut the coal mine, you gotta cut the oil too! Buuuuut I’d still say it’s a bad idea. Coal mining was presumably my ancestor’s work, so if I were them, after the mine is “closed”, I’d go back and continue going. I don’t care who said this place had to close. I say this place can reopen, and I’m sure that many others can. And those who try to stop us who want these historic workhouses can ROT in the abandoned shafts!
The UK has more than 150 heritage rail companies covering 560 miles of track that runs between 460 stations. These lines play a big role in UK tourism today. They are worth about half a billion pounds a year to the national economy. Millions of tourists take trips on these lines every year. In addition the bigger heritage railways provide both employment and apprenticeship schemes. Many of the UK’s heritage rail companies say they are already having to cut services just as they prepare for the Platinum Jubliee 2022. UK coal for steam trains has now gone and our next supply source was to be Russia, which is now off the table for totally understandable reasons. Our coal stocks are running out fast and the search is on to find alternative sources from overseas. However, there is no obvious source for the right quality of coal that we require and prices are fluctuating all over the place.
miners say they offered to buy the mine: what was their offer?(not given in this report). Whatever the offer, even 1p, they are likely lucky it was knocked back- the mine is running at a large loss (also not mentioned) and would consume their investment must like it has destroyed the current share holders investment. Time to move to greener fields.
+Timothy Bates Don't think you understand the Balance of Trade. Too many imports - not enough exports spells big trouble for the UK economy. We pump 300 billion into QE - yet are in negative inflation??? That tells you something is seriously wrong. Another credit crunch could well be round the corner. You can;t maintain a trade deficit like that and hope to maintain a stable currency and banking system. Plus these workers and the employment they create in the surrounding area adds to the treasury's Tax Take. Chinese workers obviously don;t pay taxes in this country. You should stop thinking countries are businesses. When countries fail - they become colonized by other countries. Hope China doesn't put sanctions on us - we'd be fucked.
+trev moffatt Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Countries certainly can fail. I'd argue path to failure is remaining in the lowest-productivity work while others become more productive. Fortune favours the big GDP, and that requires a powerhouse of industry sufficiently strong to make protecting it sound strange. To equate mining with the nation seems simply to hold the nation hostage. That world - Mercantilism - was the poor one we moved out of over the 1700s to the present day. I guess it remains the "big divide" in values world wide, played out in the UK between Tories and Whigs for 2 centuries, and now reignited under Labour. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whigs_(British_political_party) I think your position should mean banning all imports from China, ceasing to buy Gas from anywhere other than (what?) UK? or perhaps the Norway, USA too? My position is that UK coal is too costly to dig up. All the resources are better spent in, say, efficient car making, or complex steels in Sheffield, or anything else that actually turns a profit. A process for extracting the energy from coal without burning it in the air would help - but then we're back to productivity - an industry stuck in the 1800s just can't be a good place for people to depend on income (or pensions). If one views the world as zero-sum, then trade wars, forcing UK subjects to buy nationalised Amstrad's instead of iPhones, and locking-down borders to prevent a brain-drain would perhaps make some sense. But that sounds like a dead third world to me, not a rich and growing one.
Timothy Bates Germany still protects its mining industry - and Germany is the strongest economy in Europe. The Germans understand any economy that relies too much on imports is in trouble. All countries with trade imbalances end up with monopoly money currencies, liquidity problems; shaky banks. The coal is imported, while the money goes overseas. So you are handing over billions in hard currency to rival powers. Hard currency that doesn't always come back to the UK fast enough Basically you are applying free market logic to nations - but nations are not businesses. Businesses do not raise taxes for essential services; do not print their own currencies; don't have armies, navies, air-forces. A business fails - it goes into liquidation, the assets are sold off to other businesses. When something similar happens to a country - it becomes colonized by other countries. But of course that's when the comparisons break down. People tend to fight against their countries being owned by foreigners. When most of the money flows out of the country and the people see themselves getting poorer. The Chinese take that coal money and spend it buying up more and more of our housing stock, banking, infrastructure etc Or buying up politicians; newspapers; TV channels. Can't blame them - where else can they spend it? And knowing the Chinese they will spend it to maximize their power. Notice the Tories taking all these Chinese wives. This is the ultimate logic of the Neo Liberal capitalist. It starts with this city can't compete, this company isn't competing, this industry is moribund - till you get down to the nation itself. Oh well, time to move on to another country. These people are internationalist stockbrokers with no allegiance to the people of this country - or any country. Their patriotism is a sham. They hate the nation state if the truth's known. They only use it as long as it serves their interest If the Market dictates that a country is owned by another - then that's too bad because the market never lies.
+trev moffatt And you think the British Coal Mining industry will line the pockets of this country? That dream died out eons ago. Welcome to the 21st Century.
Drew DK Your understanding of economics is basic. I.e. Chinese coal is cheaper therefore China wins. The market never lies - goodbye British jobs. If only life was that simple - lol. Free market logic begins to break down at the level of the nation state. Given competing companies under free association don't manipulate currencies, don't have armies and navies; don't have to fork out for infrastructure like flood barriers. All that is paid for by taxation - taxation produced by economic activity. We don't tax Chinese miners, or the Chinese pubs and shops Chinese miners frequent. Secondly - coal is one of those massive economies of scale - still covering 33% of the UK energy market - which means billions of pounds sterling leaves the country every year. to pay for it. Billions of pounds of sterling that might not come back quick enough - given the Chinese might stuff it away for a rainy day. Or they might buy up our bonds - getting us in debt Thus if billions of pounds sterling leaves the country, economic activity shrinks down - meaning less Tax Take for the treasury - it shouldn't take a genius to see where this is headed. Eventually the pound is going to have to contract considerably - if not, we are going to see Money Panics, Credit Crunches etc. Basic liquidity problems - something like we are seeing happen already. Zero interest rates with the treasury printing off currency to plug the gap in the nation's finances. Which is why Osborne is humiliating himself kow-towing to the Chinese. Handing them our nuclear industry - Why? we haven't got the tax take to pay for it and we're desperate to get the balance of trade on something approaching an even keel. So the Chinese are also buying up our privatized college system - with estimated 150,000 Chinese students due to be educated here - meanwhile our kids will pay higher and higher tuition fees to compete with the children of the Chinese middle classes. Don't blame the Chinese for doing it - I mean why wouldn't they take our money to put their kids through our universities. I mean why would they look a gift horse in the mouth.
+Matt Crooks (PluggSockett) It is sad. Change hurts if one is at all conservative. But would you want your kids working down 6 mile long shafts digging coal? Would they even take these jobs?
importing dirty cheap hrown coal from huge open cast pits in poland, we have best quality coal can be clean burned now the pits have been dest4oyed and northern communities desteoyed with them shame
I'm all for cheaper foreign imports. You Labour dinosaurs might be stuck in the 1800's with your views that coal mines in Britain are some sort of paradise. But those of us living in the modern day know that renewable energy sources and cheaper imports are the future if energy.
+JCBAirmaster73 u are correct in ur views.pit closures over 40yrs have decimated communities and destroyed another british industry.ive extensively studied ww2 and i must be missing something obvious because i cant believe our industrialists wouldnt have adopted the i.g.farben german chemical company methods of turning coal into oil and rubber,and obv the oil into petrol.these synthetic products worked and helped prolong the war.oil and rubber are commodities needed by every country,so why were britains coal industry allowed to fold with 300yrs coal supply waiting to be mined.i know somebody with more knowledge than me will probably shoot down my theory and in advance i apologise for my ignorance
Agree but it was not all the tories fault.callaghans govt closed lots of pits and had plans to close lots more if they won the 79 election.also blairs govt had 13yrs to reverse the tory policies and to secure the future of the coal industry.blair failed to reverse hardly any tory policies not even the laws against unions.and now we have both main parties trying to persuade us to stay in eu who offer no hope to britiains industries.since joining the common market as the eu was,textiles coal shipbuilding fishibg and steel industries have virtually disappeared.having led the world in the ibdustrial revolution we now have east europeans taking our jobs.i will be voting ukip in future and joining brexit
Drew DK The USA is good at protectionism & thats what we should have done,for our own industries, but we didn’t. Why do you think that alot of Yanks buy New Balance trainers? Is it to do with the slogan ‘ Made in the USA, Support an American Worker’? Then why shouldn’t we do the same for British industries then? Cheaper??
And you need to remember that 200,000 people lost there job which destroyed homes, communities, and families, since those coal mines closed some men never worked again because of ageism attitudes like yours. its been over thirty years since miners strike buy you still think we have a chip on shoulder! When they ended deep mining in Germany they got right, miners treated with dignity and no one lost there job. You just want throw everyone on the scrapheap so my advice to you is, you respect these miners and treat them with dignity they deserve because they help build the country you live in and luxury you live in now.
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The systematic dismantling of the coal industry is an absolute disgrace, god bless all the miners of Kellingley and all the coal fields of the UK..
It's sad for the workers but not a disgrace. It has to be done. Or we'll destroy the Environment and the Earth. For example in the US: "Coal-fired power plants are responsible for one-third of America’s carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions-about the same amount as all transportation sources -- cars, SUVs, trucks, buses, planes, ships, and trains -- combined."
@@TheTaterTotP80 Take a look outdoors some time, see that it's still there.
@@geoh7777 Yeah it's still there, that said, many urban areas are polluted to a level deemed unacceptable for human life, and many natural resources are drying up as a result of us taking them. Shall we just keep doing so, or should we look to a cleaner future?
The mines needed to close, it was inevitable, was going to happen sooner or later. the would moved on to better, cheaper far more efficient gas, coal was redundant, or are you suggesting we should block progression just to keep a dying industry alive?
@@TheTaterTotP80 So does foreign coal not destroy the environment? Explain how magic foreign coal is good for the environment. It's a terrible thing for this country and its people.
Still brings tears to my eyes to see... and he wasn't wrong, steel is gone, car manufacturers are next
Good, we dont need cars
From a past miner, every bloke in my family was a coalminer, best job ever. Good luck in the future lads, we have been robbed!!!
West Virginian miners understand the pain you all are going through. You all are not alone in your grievance.
we have friends in williamson and mingo county sad whats happenin in wv too
Justice for Zoolander ✊🏻
@@thepharcyde5239 qqqqqqq
Even South Africa is going through the same pain
they are bastards for closing it, this was people livelihoods.
where are these people from?
+MasterMorality Master Kellingley colliery is near to pontefract and castleford its in north
yorkshire just mp is nigel adams selby and ainsty. It closed on friday
18th december 2015 i worked there 29 years
david nicholson wow, what was the average salary for the workers? It looks like a hard Job
+MasterMorality Master surface worker approx 450 pound a week and coal face worker bout 700 others in beetween also depended on production as bonusus could be added for more coal
david nicholson interesting, how many hours roughly is a typical day? I presume the machines do most of the Labour intensive work?
I feel if I worked in a mine, I would be like Zoolander. Now I feel guilty for saying my office job is hard. So unfair how this country is being sold out, British people deserve so much better.
I think I have the black lung...
"everyone knows we have to decarbonize, we have to go green. but we ain't ready for that." man that hits deep
the road will be tough, but it is the best chance we have.
@@MetalDEmpire true, but we can't leave these people behind. We must find them alternative jobs in their towns and neighbourhoods, we mustn't forget them...
The decarbonisation argument would make sense if they were getting rid of uk coal mines to stop burning coal. They’re doing it to import cheaper foreign coal instead
@@obamaprism9702 exactly, that's why these people are furious. Unjust methods derived from capitalism
BS all eco renewables and are unreliable!
But we buy Russian or polish coal now!! Wtf
What Thatcher did to the miners and the poor in general was hugely damaging, but the mining industry had been in decline since 1923. This was always the fate of Britain’s coal mines
A decline can be reversed by unforeseen events and circumstances.
Problem was that Thatcher and co. JUST closed the mines. No thought into alternative energy or employment, or means of creating a new product to export for Britain.
They just closed the mines, paid out the redundancy, and condemned thousands of families to societal decline for the next 40 years.
Eyebrows absolutely. The collapse was totally mismanaged by the Thatcher government in the name of free market economics. The funds needed for the people living in those areas now are higher than ever and many aren’t working because their main source of employment closed
@@starguy321 Agreed. What a lot of working class Tories would say is "they should just get another job lol" "have some initiative".
Except it's the council that gives permissions for shops and businesses to be opened, and they need the green light from higher government.
And with the government not putting in any catchment schemes BEFORE these jobs were closed and people put into unemployment, you end up with an entire generation being embittered by their own government, and then when entrepeneurs come to the UK to open small corner shops (ie, Pakistanis, Indians, etc) it's SO EASY for the right wing press to lay the blame of stealing jobs at their feet.
Eyebrows councils being underfunded too means they haven’t got the money to improve local communities. The lack of educational opportunities too in underfunded areas means many can’t get the qualifications required to escape. Those that simply move away often join the huge and rising numbers of homeless people in London and other major cities. This is combined with the hugely demoralising and depressing state of decline and unemployment
8 years later like he said. Steel workers are next
Going to be some huge regrets for not putting that pit into care so it would have a chance to reopen someday ..
The problem is that they closed the mines but WHY the government didn't create industry or something to give the people where to work, dignified, worthy jobs, worthy salaries. They closed but what happened with so many workers?
Gerente Police the British Government doesn’t care about the workers. The politicians never worked a day in there life in hard labor or knew the importance of such commodity that keeps the lights on when all other power sources falter. (Wind isn’t always blowing, the sun isn’t always out, hydro needs special places) but in Britain- destroying the nation gets more votes than fixing it.
@@mattsmocs3281Or more specifically The Tories.
And now after we figured out that importing is problem, the coal would have been cheap today
Would folks prefer to pay £12.50 for a bag of Polish coal, or £16 a bag for British coal..? There's your answer.
RGTsilversteam or £3 for Nigerian coal
Don't know the numbers for Britain but when the last Coal Mine here in Germany closed down two years ago each job filled by a miner ended up being subsidized with twice his monthly wage. At some point you can't really justify keeping an industry alive through taxpayers' money if it can't evenn remotely hope to toss its own weight some day. Especially when you let other industries die left, right and center.
It doesn't mean the government should abandon Mining Communities and act like it's none of its business - because of course it is. But you can't keep funding dead industries into all eternity either.
£16 a bag for British coal, even if you had subsidise it.
Welsh coal?
*It makes better steam, and the books proved it!*
What size of bag is that.i pay £6.50 for a bag of 25kg polish here in n ireland.
Vandalism of a viable pit to make way for cheap imports from South American coal mine in dreadful conditions with very little health and safety there's still millions of tons of coal imported to the UK so there's still a demand for it typical Tories what you can't see doesn't matter I'm from fife in Scotland there used to be a few mines here but all gone now
Send them to PA we need more miners to replace the aging miners. Plus the work days are shorter, pay is better, workings aren’t as filthy and the communities are safe and clean. Also the underground work is safe to.
What a fucking shame.
The redundancy payments are a farce and probably a day or two's income for Cameron!
Having been made redundant exactly one year ago my heart goes out to them,I was lucky as I'd left the UK in 92 and have been working in Belgium so I got a good settlement.
you should have moved to London or surrey
+Antony Phoenix the redundancy is a farce 29 years and im getting 11,400 state my dad got 3 times that in 1988 when he left .thatcher at least paid the miners off decently moron is giving us nowt
The guy at 1:29 is prophetic and is getting right so far " They've just shut pit upon pit after the strike. They'll be next, steel workers. Then power stations then the car workers" . 3 other industries balancing on a knife edge, even more so since the brexit vote.
brexit will make it better
@@onix2130 Brexit makes no difference at all on these issues.
I wonder if it IS the decline of the carbon age. World consumption of coal is rising. When, in 1960, the Japanese government decided to move from coal to oil, and when the coal industry here (Japan) fell into terminal decline, Japan needed about 60m tons. Now it is closer to 200 mil.
TommyTwobats without coal. When the green energy fails like it does every time the wind stops or the sun is behind the clouds, the only reason most nations have lights is coal. Coal is abundant and reliable. Plus the things coal does is so important to everyday life, water filters, charcoal, cleaner, carbon fiber, sulfur products, and cooking pans. Even space going vehicles have equipment made from coal on them. But if you sit in a coffee shop drinking a clean brewed coffee eating food fresh from the skillet, with your carbon fiber paneled car going to a Barbecue, you would never know it. Well google can tell all the uses of coal since Wikipedia records all of this.
@@mattsmocs3281There is always wind. Especially up on mountains and in the ocean which Japan has a lot of. Japan also gets a lot of sun.
My dad's relatives, his dad and his uncles, used to work in coal mines. It is sad to see that they have gone into memory and that they are not being used anymore.
Why is it sad? Coal mining is a horrible, difficult and extremely dangerous job. It is also terrible for the long term health of the miners. You should be happy that men don't have to toil in those hellish mines anymore.
It's not sad at all. They priced themselves out of a diminishing market with their strikes and walkouts. And it is a terrible industry with terrible working conditions.
Respect to the Miner's Union!!! 🌹⛏️✊
Thatcher gets a win from beyond the grave.
+Richard Maunder They're the best kind.
nahimgood Yes I know these are good hard working men a lot better than some of the cunts I have been forced to work with but Thatcher can not keep being blamed for this Labour cunts that killed my little baby closed a lot coal mines in the 1970's and we have had two Labour Gov's since Thatcher that signed the UK up to this CO2 wank lie to put the poor out of work and to tax them more. Just to get solar panels I have to go to Arizona to put them up because I keep being told NO to using my own land in Dorset I also keep being told NO to planting trees on my own land also and yes by Labour cunts as well as I have owed my land for more than 25 years !
nahimgood fucking bich
Wilson closed more miens than Thatcher. Labour voters will forget this fact.
@@RJM1011 half the council houses in Dorset have solar panels but God forbid you get your own or they'll have the police on you
Bring back the mines we must
God bless the miners- all the best from your friends in Ireland
the coalmines in Britain should not have been closed, it is better to re open them.
Further - as regards to coal,yes we should be looking for a cleaner alternative but until that has been achieved why import coal when there is still workable mines,this "cheaper" talk is bullshit as just how many miners are now claiming benefits whilst the Top executives are reaping in the rewards off the closure of both the mines and the Steelworks.
lol
+MasterMorality Master This really isn't a laughing matter.
The closed all the pits by us left us Daw Mill and Cov pits after the closed the others in the 1960s-1980s Daw mill was biggest pit in uk when it closed in 2013. Days after it closed uk coal had a restructure property side that owns all the mine sites became harworth estates and the mining business eventually went into administration. Recently harworth estates put in to build a container depot and 24/7 heavy industry site on Daw Mill. So even now they going to make money out the communities these pit once provided work for.
Shuggy Thomas yep bad decisions. They say there is easily 56million tonnes under Daw mill but they just don't want it don't think it's just government to blame though pit owners and management and also folks that think just because it's cheaper it must be better. there's a hidden agenda some where that the average man does not see.
That's the Tories for you . sell it abroad or close it down. We are like Tenants in our own country, and foreigners will own everything.
Wilson closed more miens than Thatcher. Labour voters will forget this fact.
Seriously, TH-cam recommends this 5yrs after the event?
😢Keep Safe Brothers.
community destroyed, left to rot, ship builders, miners, cant beat the sixties
Rightly so
Cheap energy makes the world we know (1883 to present) possible.
You will all learn this lesson.
Painfully.
Now we got to choose retail work or the dole
Almost all my dads family from Newcastle upon Tyne and my mums family from Nottingham used to be coal miners
Live in a place where an old coal mine was it was called denaby main colliery and it was less than 200metres away from another one called cadeby colliery. It’s in England and in a place called conisbrough denaby and Cadeby
Glück auf! From The Netherlands former coal mining region.⚒
Wonder if the coal mines open back up now we left the eu
I hope to got that will happen. Screw anyone who wants them closed down for good!
+TackyWhale you should chek out "West Cumbria Mining" they are going to be mining met coal, going to create 500+ jobs, I hope other companies follow their lead and see that their is a future for coal in the UK
www.westcumbriamining.com
Hi James is the tin mine called "South Crofty" owned Strongbow Exploration Inc?, all this news of new mines and ex mines reopening sounds encouraging for the whole UK mining industry
You still in the EU
haha this comment is 3 years old, and we’re not leaving until friday. took a while
Can somebody explain how it's cheaper for the power station next door to import the coal rather than get it from the same street?
RESPECT TO THEM ALL
What will happen to the workers now?
Elizabeth Armada they will get a miners pension and get new jobs
Sam Ensor there is no good paying jobs in Britain. They get a pension and there families go jobless.
@JCBAirmaster73 Move on to what? All the mining communities have moved onto is unemployment, societal collapse and poverty wages at best.
Plenty of coal still there
Cameron promised jobs, not we are getting cuts
The media makes me laugh they only report when a mine is closing but never when the mines r doing well. Government is a joke should never have closed 80% of mines
These men should have been given jobs in the green climate , not left out to dry.
What ? like stacking the shelves of supermarkets for a fraction of their former wages. Green jobs are no substitute for real jobs that pay proper wages.
I have to say its a mistake leaving that resource inbthe ground but if its losing lots of money what can you do ?
Had this been running right now there will be Class 66 coal trains to Doncaster where Class 92 runs Doncaster Calais Frethun for SNCB HLE28/29 Bombardier Calais Frethun via Aachen Hagen Vorhalle Werdohl. The other route is Calais Frethun Thonville Metz Woippy End BB27000 start DB BR185.0 Forbach Mannheim Frankfurt Main Werdohl. In the 1980s there are trains towards the Tees Valley Line
I don’t think most people here are train enthusiasts. Better off saying this in the rail forum.
@Mgameing123 thank you for telling me about that however when I look at train simulator forums which is also part of railway Forums they always mention HAA from this Coal Mine
It isn't the last coal mine. Last coal mine in England, Yes!
But why is it just the Uk going carbon neutral?
Booooo #bring back coal
They're lucky they survived for so long, basic economics. The union official is stuck in the 70s
Well we only have the EU and their free trade policies to thank. A simple tariff on imported coal would have saved all of Britain's mines but we weren't allowed to do that thanks to the EU. While other industrial countries in Europe are getting rich exporting thousands of tonnes of coal to the UK every day our own miners and their families are left jobless, thank God we have left the EU
most ppl dont know this but thats so true i was not around during thachers time and everyone pro and agenst her are biast so i am nutral but the eu is more responsbal for the mines closing then her
@@joesmith8701 Then explain why things are looking similar throughout most of Europe.
Are you a paid Tory propagandist or just daft?....The EU had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the mines being forcibly shut down against all economic and environmental logic...now we have nuclear which is at least a million times more potentially hazardous
Well put! Absolutely agree!
Wait so there’s no mining jobs in the uk?
Correct
Disgraceful. Our economy flourished. We need coal, but no we say we are green, put these monstrosities in the sea, and still import coal....
Shutting down coal isn't a scandal, it had to happen. What is a scandal is that they shut it down and then bought foreign coal instead.
Foreign coal ran through Killingley yard right to Ferrybridge power station
Sad 😢
did i just here right?? 13 grand for a 39 year career underground , thats all the redundancy they gave them?? thats day light robbery and wont even last a year, How is that even allowed??
My Grandads were Down The Pit!!! ⛏️⛏️
If you’re going to cut the coal mine, you gotta cut the oil too!
Buuuuut I’d still say it’s a bad idea. Coal mining was presumably my ancestor’s work, so if I were them, after the mine is “closed”, I’d go back and continue going.
I don’t care who said this place had to close.
I say this place can reopen, and I’m sure that many others can.
And those who try to stop us who want these historic workhouses can ROT in the abandoned shafts!
The UK has more than 150 heritage rail companies covering 560 miles of track that runs between 460 stations. These lines play a big role in UK tourism today. They are worth about half a billion pounds a year to the national economy. Millions of tourists take trips on these lines every year. In addition the bigger heritage railways provide both employment and apprenticeship schemes.
Many of the UK’s heritage rail companies say they are already having to cut services just as they prepare for the Platinum Jubliee 2022. UK coal for steam trains has now gone and our next supply source was to be Russia, which is now off the table for totally understandable reasons. Our coal stocks are running out fast and the search is on to find alternative sources from overseas. However, there is no obvious source for the right quality of coal that we require and prices are fluctuating all over the place.
The cost of Diesel is a double whammy for heritage lines too.
What are you on about….🤯
living on a thin line
Was the mines out of coal or was they forced out by the government.
miners say they offered to buy the mine: what was their offer?(not given in this report). Whatever the offer, even 1p, they are likely lucky it was knocked back- the mine is running at a large loss (also not mentioned) and would consume their investment must like it has destroyed the current share holders investment. Time to move to greener fields.
+Timothy Bates Don't think you understand the Balance of Trade. Too many imports - not enough exports spells big trouble for the UK economy. We pump 300 billion into QE - yet are in negative inflation??? That tells you something is seriously wrong.
Another credit crunch could well be round the corner. You can;t maintain a trade deficit like that and hope to maintain a stable currency and banking system.
Plus these workers and the employment they create in the surrounding area adds to the treasury's Tax Take. Chinese workers obviously don;t pay taxes in this country.
You should stop thinking countries are businesses. When countries fail - they become colonized by other countries.
Hope China doesn't put sanctions on us - we'd be fucked.
+trev moffatt Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Countries certainly can fail. I'd argue path to failure is remaining in the lowest-productivity work while others become more productive. Fortune favours the big GDP, and that requires a powerhouse of industry sufficiently strong to make protecting it sound strange. To equate mining with the nation seems simply to hold the nation hostage.
That world - Mercantilism - was the poor one we moved out of over the 1700s to the present day. I guess it remains the "big divide" in values world wide, played out in the UK between Tories and Whigs for 2 centuries, and now reignited under Labour.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whigs_(British_political_party)
I think your position should mean banning all imports from China, ceasing to buy Gas from anywhere other than (what?) UK? or perhaps the Norway, USA too?
My position is that UK coal is too costly to dig up. All the resources are better spent in, say, efficient car making, or complex steels in Sheffield, or anything else that actually turns a profit. A process for extracting the energy from coal without burning it in the air would help - but then we're back to productivity - an industry stuck in the 1800s just can't be a good place for people to depend on income (or pensions).
If one views the world as zero-sum, then trade wars, forcing UK subjects to buy nationalised Amstrad's instead of iPhones, and locking-down borders to prevent a brain-drain would perhaps make some sense. But that sounds like a dead third world to me, not a rich and growing one.
Timothy Bates Germany still protects its mining industry - and Germany is the strongest economy in Europe. The Germans understand any economy that relies too much on imports is in trouble.
All countries with trade imbalances end up with monopoly money currencies, liquidity problems; shaky banks.
The coal is imported, while the money goes overseas. So you are handing over billions in hard currency to rival powers. Hard currency that doesn't always come back to the UK fast enough
Basically you are applying free market logic to nations - but nations are not businesses. Businesses do not raise taxes for essential services; do not print their own currencies; don't have armies, navies, air-forces.
A business fails - it goes into liquidation, the assets are sold off to other businesses. When something similar happens to a country - it becomes colonized by other countries.
But of course that's when the comparisons break down. People tend to fight against their countries being owned by foreigners. When most of the money flows out of the country and the people see themselves getting poorer.
The Chinese take that coal money and spend it buying up more and more of our housing stock, banking, infrastructure etc Or buying up politicians; newspapers; TV channels. Can't blame them - where else can they spend it? And knowing the Chinese they will spend it to maximize their power.
Notice the Tories taking all these Chinese wives. This is the ultimate logic of the Neo Liberal capitalist. It starts with this city can't compete, this company isn't competing, this industry is moribund - till you get down to the nation itself.
Oh well, time to move on to another country.
These people are internationalist stockbrokers with no allegiance to the people of this country - or any country. Their patriotism is a sham. They hate the nation state if the truth's known. They only use it as long as it serves their interest
If the Market dictates that a country is owned by another - then that's too bad because the market never lies.
+trev moffatt And you think the British Coal Mining industry will line the pockets of this country? That dream died out eons ago. Welcome to the 21st Century.
Drew DK Your understanding of economics is basic. I.e. Chinese coal is cheaper therefore China wins. The market never lies - goodbye British jobs.
If only life was that simple - lol.
Free market logic begins to break down at the level of the nation state. Given competing companies under free association don't manipulate currencies, don't have armies and navies; don't have to fork out for infrastructure like flood barriers.
All that is paid for by taxation - taxation produced by economic activity. We don't tax Chinese miners, or the Chinese pubs and shops Chinese miners frequent.
Secondly - coal is one of those massive economies of scale - still covering 33% of the UK energy market - which means billions of pounds sterling leaves the country every year.
to pay for it.
Billions of pounds of sterling that might not come back quick enough - given the Chinese might stuff it away for a rainy day. Or they might buy up our bonds - getting us in debt
Thus if billions of pounds sterling leaves the country, economic activity shrinks down - meaning less Tax Take for the treasury - it shouldn't take a genius to see where this is headed.
Eventually the pound is going to have to contract considerably - if not, we are going to see Money Panics, Credit Crunches etc.
Basic liquidity problems - something like we are seeing happen already. Zero interest rates with the treasury printing off currency to plug the gap in the nation's finances.
Which is why Osborne is humiliating himself kow-towing to the Chinese. Handing them our nuclear industry - Why? we haven't got the tax take to pay for it and we're desperate to get the balance of trade on something approaching an even keel.
So the Chinese are also buying up our privatized college system - with estimated 150,000 Chinese students due to be educated here - meanwhile our kids will pay higher and higher tuition fees to compete with the children of the Chinese middle classes.
Don't blame the Chinese for doing it - I mean why wouldn't they take our money to put their kids through our universities.
I mean why would they look a gift horse in the mouth.
Where will the steam engines get their coal then?
Dangerous to miners, dangerous to environment and expensive to run. Three bad strikes and it becomes a history.
Ex Agecroft here...
alston is the last in England
Rip
Coal mining in the UK had steadily declined since 1910.
Coal mining should have been phased out during the 1960s.
Shame the men couldnt buy the mine and run it
Green energy doesnt work
Greed killed coal mines in UK...More profit buying cheap coal from other countries.
I live in London, what accents are these people
+MasterMorality Master yorkshire (Y) sad to see this close:( i basically live right next door to it
+Matt Crooks (PluggSockett) It is sad. Change hurts if one is at all conservative. But would you want your kids working down 6 mile long shafts digging coal? Would they even take these jobs?
Matt Crooks these people must be paid lots to work this job
0:32 What does he shout that makes them laugh?
Now the UK gets it's oil from places like Russia, look how that worked out for the UK. It is going to be a very cold winter 🥶🥶🥶🥶 UK!!
God bless them proper grafters
Sorry but change is the only constant, these people need to learn another trade, easier said that done, I know but that is the way of the world
Checkout "UAV PAP" Channel for aerial footage of remains of South Wales mines...
importing dirty cheap hrown coal from huge open cast pits in poland, we have best quality coal can be clean burned now the pits have been dest4oyed and northern communities desteoyed with them shame
Look REAL men. Not to worry though--this country is full of easily offended patchy bearded digital marketing psudomen 😂
I'm all for cheaper foreign imports. You Labour dinosaurs might be stuck in the 1800's with your views that coal mines in Britain are some sort of paradise. But those of us living in the modern day know that renewable energy sources and cheaper imports are the future if energy.
Let's fill wheelbarrows of cash and dump them all in the continent so we never see it again, shall we?
+JCBAirmaster73 u are correct in ur views.pit closures over 40yrs have decimated communities and destroyed another british industry.ive extensively studied ww2 and i must be missing something obvious because i cant believe our industrialists wouldnt have adopted the i.g.farben german chemical company methods of turning coal into oil and rubber,and obv the oil into petrol.these synthetic products worked and helped prolong the war.oil and rubber are commodities needed by every country,so why were britains coal industry allowed to fold with 300yrs coal supply waiting to be mined.i know somebody with more knowledge than me will probably shoot down my theory and in advance i apologise for my ignorance
Agree but it was not all the tories fault.callaghans govt closed lots of pits and had plans to close lots more if they won the 79 election.also blairs govt had 13yrs to reverse the tory policies and to secure the future of the coal industry.blair failed to reverse hardly any tory policies not even the laws against unions.and now we have both main parties trying to persuade us to stay in eu who offer no hope to britiains industries.since joining the common market as the eu was,textiles coal shipbuilding fishibg and steel industries have virtually disappeared.having led the world in the ibdustrial revolution we now have east europeans taking our jobs.i will be voting ukip in future and joining brexit
Drew DK The USA is good at protectionism & thats what we should have done,for our own industries, but we didn’t. Why do you think that alot of Yanks buy New Balance trainers? Is it to do with the slogan ‘ Made in the USA, Support an American Worker’?
Then why shouldn’t we do the same for British industries then?
Cheaper??
Good riddance they should have been closed a long long time ago
And you need to remember that 200,000 people lost there job which destroyed homes, communities, and families, since those coal mines closed some men never worked again because of ageism attitudes like yours. its been over thirty years since miners strike buy you still think we have a chip on shoulder! When they ended deep mining in Germany they got right, miners treated with dignity and no one lost there job.
You just want throw everyone on the scrapheap so my advice to you is, you respect these miners and treat them with dignity they deserve because they help build the country you live in and luxury you live in now.