@@RetroHackShack I have rarely encountered glitches in YT's censorship algorithm, but they do exist. I've lost two or three comments/posts in the past 10 years or so. You might want to type your comments into Notepad or Kate and save them as a text file. With them on the clipboard, they can easily be copied and pasted. You don't know how many tines I walked away from a partially composed comment with a video still playing, with autoplay enabled. Back when I was more active on usenet, I would use the clipboard a lot, when typing long articles. Of course, commenting of a video before watching it to the end, and typing a comment directly into TH-cam's field, both are probably poor practice. :O I'm guilty.
@@squirlmy TH-cam automatically sends all sorts of comments to a separate area of the creator tab for screening. Ostensibly it’s for spam or abuse, but all sorts of things randomly trigger it, and it’s totally opaque because it’s neural network based. This isn’t something which can be turned off, to my knowledge. We’ve gone from scrutable rules-based filters, back to inscrutable corporate bureaucracy - just automated, and a mystery even to its bosses. You can sometimes guess what might’ve falsely triggered it, but other times it’s just a complete mystery.
You could get full documentation on not just finished computers, but also of sub assemblies, like floppy drives. When the IBM PC came out, both the hardware and software technical reference manuals were available. In the hardware manual's appendices, there were complete schematics, and the source code listing of the BIOS ROM.
That brought back memories from 1976. I remember seeing the two guys demonstrating their prototype Apple 1 at the Stanford Labs Linear Accelerator Center. They were showing it running a brick breakout game. I remember the code running up the screen as they downloaded it from the cassette tape.
I suspect you're remembering the prototype Apple II. Woz wrote a version of Breakout on that. The Apple I was completely incapable of running games involving any kind of screen animation - it has no graphics modes, no graphics characters and no conventional video RAM. All it could do was output scrolling text.
"“The garage is a bit of a myth,” Wozniak told Businessweek. “We did no designs there, no breadboarding, no prototyping, no planning of products. We did no manufacturing there.”
I love how much Woz struggled to fit in his résumé, while a lot of the other people on that page had to pad theirs out. I especially like the man whose day job is installing air conditioning, and reckons he can build large tape drives. Or the guy who bought a bunch of chips but “has no RAMs!!!”. I’m sure it’s also a “reason for joining club” sheet, but… clearly they’re seeking employment as well at the same time. Some others seem decently skilled, like the software engineers, or the guy with a $500 BASIC computer. But Woz’s is PACKED, no wonder he put “short on time”!
It's been a dream of mine to have one of these since I was a kid and nerding out reading computer history books, might be a fun project to chip away at over time...
This is my first visit to your channel. You have a clear and pleasant speaking voice, and a very straightforward way of presenting your material, which is well-recorded and edited. I look forward to the next installment of this "journey down the rabbit hole".
7:58 Up until a few years ago the original Byte Shop building was still there in Mountain View, I used to drive by it on El Camino Real on my way to work. From google maps it looks like it was torn down, which is a shame since it should have been a city historical landmark
Great project! Like most big companies, I mentally split them into two separate institutions. Early Apple is the interesting company, late Apple I have no interest in. Loads of other companies like that.
@@RetroHackShack Apple is mostly an iPhone seller, that the vast majority of their profits now are from that (no matter the present drama behind M1 Macs. And iPad is going to be difficult to separate from Mac laptops hereon in.) That's interesting in it's own right. I thought Apple had a chance with switching to OS X, and MkLinux (and their book entitled "MkLinux") slightly before that. Open Source could have been their bailiwick, rather than Google as biggest corporate sponsor of FOSS. They could've done right instead of retreating into"walled garden". Of course, I shouldn't have put any faith in the company who ripped off schools by dropping Hypercard. May Jobs rot in hell, that fucktard!
A great father and son project. Check the ICs that have the highest failure rates and buy spares. And check you’re voltages continuously as you build. Take your time and double check before soldering
it has taken me two years to source parts and save money for my clone, and i still have not been able to power up the system as i am building a replica datanetics keyboard, hopefully sometime in the next year or two i will have a working computer, i look forward too more videos on your journey into building your clone.
Woz... Thanks for the U.S. FESTIVAL... I've been designing a Concert with So Much More... Ever Since.. One Day I hope to Enact it, to the Benefit if All... Until then, I continue Building High End Custom Cars, Doing All Electronics and Wiring Myself, Building Computers, Production Manager for Concerts and Live Entertainment, etc etc... The Woz, is an Inspirational Guy..
@@RetroHackShack I'm building my own XT clone so really interested to see how you get on, doing an Apple II is another machine I'd fine interesting to do a clone of one day ...
6:22 - Not microcontrollers (uC), but microprocessors (uP). A microcontroller has RAM, Program Memory (ROM, EPROM, Flash ...) and I/O along with a microprocessor, on one chip. The 8048, and later 8051, are early microcontrollers (PIC & AVR are current uC lines). The 6502, 8080,and Z80 are early 8-bit microprocessors, as the chip does not contain any memory (only registers), nor I/O. Just the processor. There's lore why Wozniak chose the 6502 over the 8080. He wanted to use the 8080, but the 6502 was cheaper, and Jobs cheated him out of some money.
That would be pretty cool to make some for hopefully someday for some Apple Museums I might do it as my own art gallery and after section of Jobs wing and then a Tim Cook wing besides my own art painting gallery wing
Another reason why there are so few Apple 1's around these days is a bit of a sad one. When the Apple II came out, they offered a trade-in program where you could get a discount on an Apple II by trading in your Apple I. A very few of those traded-in machines were handed down to Apple employees for development work, but most of them were destroyed. Supposedly chopped up by Jobs himself with a bandsaw. Oh, the humanity! :-(
I think there is something about audio filtering, not just overall volume, that enables _clear_ separation of the narration over the background music. You should look into this, as it is an effort and something of a strain to listen to what you are saying with the loud music playing.
The first desktop computer was the HP9100A. With integral keyboard, display and printer! It was often mated with a competent HP pen plotter. Wait for it: IN 1969! Even then, it was 100 times the machine that was the Apple I.
I was thinking about that project a year ago. The problem is, that i t is a bit like building a cabin in the middle of the woods without a saw. Do I want to build or own such a cabin? Rather not. The process is painful and the result is in the best case a pain in the neck to work with. I played a bit around with one of the emulators until it printed a "Hello World" for me. Just a standard microcontroller like an esp32 gives me so much more in matter of OS and periphery. Thank you. But no thank you.
It should be noted that the Apple I in a case that Wikipedia uses (and is shown repeatedly in this video) is just some random case made by an end user. The Apple I shipped without a case.
Steve Wozniak at 11 with his Hallicrafters SX-140 receiver and HT-40 transmitter Ham radio. These could be purchased as kits and I am sure he built his! ( www.woz.org/photos/historical-photos/ ) (link can be slow, try it 2 or 3 times if necessary)
Peter, I am curious about this as I am always trying to improve my content. It might come down to personal preference, but was the background music too loud, or would you prefer no background music at all?
Let's be real: Woz totally picked 666 as a demonic reference. Doesn't mean he believes in demons but everyone knows, especially back in the 70s, that 666 was a Book of Revelations reference.
Also, neither of them went to "middle school." They went to junior high. Middle school is something that millennials know as they started to shift grades and change names. lol
Firstly, as others have said, lose the background music. It is too loud and too annoying for this type of video. Secondly, if you’re going to put how to build one in the title or thumbnail, then we are expecting you to build one. I can appreciate that this is a guide, kind of, but the fact you didn’t actually build it is, a huge letdown and a little misleading.
That’s an idea; paying my gardener with electrolytic capacitors. Stay tuned for how it went…
To be fair, minicomputers at the time were indeed "mini" in comparison to "regular" mainframe computers.
Started out in the game supporting Stratus minis
Was my reply here deleted? Any idea why it might have been?
@@squirlmy Not by me.
@@RetroHackShack I have rarely encountered glitches in YT's censorship algorithm, but they do exist. I've lost two or three comments/posts in the past 10 years or so. You might want to type your comments into Notepad or Kate and save them as a text file. With them on the clipboard, they can easily be copied and pasted. You don't know how many tines I walked away from a partially composed comment with a video still playing, with autoplay enabled. Back when I was more active on usenet, I would use the clipboard a lot, when typing long articles. Of course, commenting of a video before watching it to the end, and typing a comment directly into TH-cam's field, both are probably poor practice. :O I'm guilty.
@@squirlmy TH-cam automatically sends all sorts of comments to a separate area of the creator tab for screening. Ostensibly it’s for spam or abuse, but all sorts of things randomly trigger it, and it’s totally opaque because it’s neural network based.
This isn’t something which can be turned off, to my knowledge.
We’ve gone from scrutable rules-based filters, back to inscrutable corporate bureaucracy - just automated, and a mystery even to its bosses.
You can sometimes guess what might’ve falsely triggered it, but other times it’s just a complete mystery.
Apple... and "Right to repair"...
I'm guessing the other Steve put a stop to that.
Well not anymore he’s not, because he’s dead. So we can assume it’s just an overall Apple thing.
You could get full documentation on not just finished computers, but also of sub assemblies, like floppy drives. When the IBM PC came out, both the hardware and software technical reference manuals were available. In the hardware manual's appendices, there were complete schematics, and the source code listing of the BIOS ROM.
And don't forget about Sam's!
The amount of time, effort, research, and production that went into this is commendable. Great job!
Then why is so much of it in error?
That brought back memories from 1976. I remember seeing the two guys demonstrating their prototype Apple 1 at the Stanford Labs Linear Accelerator Center. They were showing it running a brick breakout game. I remember the code running up the screen as they downloaded it from the cassette tape.
That's so cool. Wish I could have seen that in person.
@@RetroHackShack I wish I had offered to buy some shares!
I suspect you're remembering the prototype Apple II. Woz wrote a version of Breakout on that. The Apple I was completely incapable of running games involving any kind of screen animation - it has no graphics modes, no graphics characters and no conventional video RAM. All it could do was output scrolling text.
@@dunebasher1971 Thanks for the correction. Yes, looking at the date, that ties up. My excuse is it was a long time ago!
@@dogastus Still a cool thing to have been there for :)
"“The garage is a bit of a myth,” Wozniak told Businessweek. “We did no designs there, no breadboarding, no prototyping, no planning of products. We did no manufacturing there.”
Correct. Apparently they did do some of the final assembly and testing there though.
@@RetroHackShack At least he provided Steve jobs...
I love how much Woz struggled to fit in his résumé, while a lot of the other people on that page had to pad theirs out. I especially like the man whose day job is installing air conditioning, and reckons he can build large tape drives. Or the guy who bought a bunch of chips but “has no RAMs!!!”.
I’m sure it’s also a “reason for joining club” sheet, but… clearly they’re seeking employment as well at the same time. Some others seem decently skilled, like the software engineers, or the guy with a $500 BASIC computer. But Woz’s is PACKED, no wonder he put “short on time”!
This sounds like a heck of a project. I'm impressed.
The best apple 1 documentary guide ever!
Thanks!
It's been a dream of mine to have one of these since I was a kid and nerding out reading computer history books, might be a fun project to chip away at over time...
This is my first visit to your channel. You have a clear and pleasant speaking voice, and a very straightforward way of presenting your material, which is well-recorded and edited. I look forward to the next installment of this "journey down the rabbit hole".
Thank you!
Thank you for this. Very informative. I even liked the final "END OF LINE" at the end of your video from the first Tron film. Excellent choice!
Thank you! I am not sure how many people actually hang around until the very end to notice that :)
Very nice video!
Found you in the comments of the Apple 1 video from 8-bit Guy, glad to see a more indepth history in this one, subscribed!
Thanks!
This is a great video, I’m trying to get my Apple 1 before these chips become impossible to source, your videos helped me a lot, thank you!
Glad to hear it!
7:58 Up until a few years ago the original Byte Shop building was still there in Mountain View, I used to drive by it on El Camino Real on my way to work. From google maps it looks like it was torn down, which is a shame since it should have been a city historical landmark
another condo complex?
Great project! Like most big companies, I mentally split them into two separate institutions. Early Apple is the interesting company, late Apple I have no interest in. Loads of other companies like that.
Yeah. Same here.
@@RetroHackShack Apple is mostly an iPhone seller, that the vast majority of their profits now are from that (no matter the present drama behind M1 Macs. And iPad is going to be difficult to separate from Mac laptops hereon in.) That's interesting in it's own right.
I thought Apple had a chance with switching to OS X, and MkLinux (and their book entitled "MkLinux") slightly before that. Open Source could have been their bailiwick, rather than Google as biggest corporate sponsor of FOSS. They could've done right instead of retreating into"walled garden". Of course, I shouldn't have put any faith in the company who ripped off schools by dropping Hypercard. May Jobs rot in hell, that fucktard!
amazing work so much i did not know!
Here from the 8 Bit Guy. Excellent video! I grew up with the Atari 800, myself.
Nice 👍
A great father and son project. Check the ICs that have the highest failure rates and buy spares. And check you’re voltages continuously as you build. Take your time and double check before soldering
Great history of an iconic computer!
it has taken me two years to source parts and save money for my clone, and i still have not been able to power up the system
as i am building a replica datanetics keyboard, hopefully sometime in the next year or two i will have a working computer,
i look forward too more videos on your journey into building your clone.
It's a bit of a labor of love I think :)
Nice video - I’ve been thinking about doing this myself!
Thanks, Dan!
tip 3... is why I'm here. in the mist of making my own homebrew pc from salvage and scrape....
Woz... Thanks for the U.S. FESTIVAL... I've been designing a Concert with So Much More... Ever Since.. One Day I hope to Enact it, to the Benefit if All...
Until then, I continue Building High End Custom Cars, Doing All Electronics and Wiring Myself, Building Computers, Production Manager for Concerts and Live Entertainment, etc etc...
The Woz, is an Inspirational Guy..
Woz thinking would be counter to what is happening at Apple today.
Subbed. If you do a build-along video series, I'd enjoy watching this machine come together.
Already started it 🙂
Yep I subbed too!
Nice video, good guide to building a pretty faithful Apple I.
Thanks, Chris!
@@RetroHackShack I'm building my own XT clone so really interested to see how you get on, doing an Apple II is another machine I'd fine interesting to do a clone of one day
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@@mogwaay I'd like to hear more about your project.
I built a mechanical keyboard from scratch recently that outputs ASCII + Strobe for use with vintage computers like these.
Awesome!
6:22 - Not microcontrollers (uC), but microprocessors (uP). A microcontroller has RAM, Program Memory (ROM, EPROM, Flash ...) and I/O along with a microprocessor, on one chip. The 8048, and later 8051, are early microcontrollers (PIC & AVR are current uC lines). The 6502, 8080,and Z80 are early 8-bit microprocessors, as the chip does not contain any memory (only registers), nor I/O. Just the processor.
There's lore why Wozniak chose the 6502 over the 8080. He wanted to use the 8080, but the 6502 was cheaper, and Jobs cheated him out of some money.
NIce catch! I may have misspoke there.
This was an incredible and informative video! Thank you so much!
You're welcome!
Current Apple is nothing like the old Apple.
That would be pretty cool to make some for hopefully someday for some Apple Museums I might do it as my own art gallery and after section of Jobs wing and then a Tim Cook wing besides my own art painting gallery wing
Just Beautifull
I am actually old enough to remember the Apple 1 kit advertised in an electronics mag. Wish I’d bought one.
The Woz is a genus.
Another reason why there are so few Apple 1's around these days is a bit of a sad one. When the Apple II came out, they offered a trade-in program where you could get a discount on an Apple II by trading in your Apple I. A very few of those traded-in machines were handed down to Apple employees for development work, but most of them were destroyed. Supposedly chopped up by Jobs himself with a bandsaw. Oh, the humanity! :-(
Yes. Then they did the same thing to the Lisa when the Mac came out.
Love this video!
Thanks
I think there is something about audio filtering, not just overall volume, that enables _clear_ separation of the narration over the background music. You should look into this, as it is an effort and something of a strain to listen to what you are saying with the loud music playing.
Full screen CRT effects on a curved Galaxy screen is FUCKIN RAD
will this same process give or take work when trying to make a replica of a Commodore Amiga?
I have a framed (replica) IBM PC motherboard hanging on the wall!
this background music is so annoying. Impossible to watch this video. Interesting stuff, but this music makes me crazy.
Awessome!
would you build an authentic one for a collector? If so, how much? Awesome job enjoying the channel!
Thanks. I have almost enough parts for a second one. Not sure I have time to build one right now though.
@@RetroHackShack thank you keep me in mind when you are ready 🙂
The first desktop computer was the HP9100A.
With integral keyboard, display and printer!
It was often mated with a competent HP pen plotter.
Wait for it: IN 1969!
Even then, it was 100 times the machine that was the Apple I.
For anyone wanting to dip a smaller toe into this subject, there’s also MiSTer (and similar) which have Apple 1 cores.
Nice project, to me the biggest issue is the keyboard.
I was thinking about that project a year ago. The problem is, that i t is a bit like building a cabin in the middle of the woods without a saw. Do I want to build or own such a cabin? Rather not.
The process is painful and the result is in the best case a pain in the neck to work with. I played a bit around with one of the emulators until it printed a "Hello World" for me. Just a standard microcontroller like an esp32 gives me so much more in matter of OS and periphery. Thank you. But no thank you.
It should be noted that the Apple I in a case that Wikipedia uses (and is shown repeatedly in this video) is just some random case made by an end user. The Apple I shipped without a case.
I live in Cuptertino. That place with all the electronic components looks like Excess Solutions?
Yes. That's it.
Steve Wozniak at 11 with his Hallicrafters SX-140 receiver and HT-40 transmitter Ham radio. These could be purchased as kits and I am sure he built his! ( www.woz.org/photos/historical-photos/ ) (link can be slow, try it 2 or 3 times if necessary)
Awesome. Unfortunately, I didn't have permissions to use those photos or the ones from his book.
@@RetroHackShack Happy to supply the fair use link!
Yes please. Too late for this video, but maybe they will come in handy for another one.
Great video, but the harsh loud music around 3:30 made this almost unwatchable to me. Please tone back the music a bit
Louis Rossmamn for President.
He can blame jobs for the situation we are in now
the video was great the music was torture
The 8-Bit Guy sent me
Welcome
Great video. Would have been even better without the background music.
Peter, I am curious about this as I am always trying to improve my content. It might come down to personal preference, but was the background music too loud, or would you prefer no background music at all?
haha, the audacity to charge $1 shipping on a 1.5 MILLION ebay listing
Isaac Newton invented Apple back in the day before Apple Computer/Apple Inc was made back in the 70’s. 🍎🍏🖥😇👍🏻
My Apple ][e , 1 Meg! Of Ram, Dual Disc Drives, 2800 Baud Apple Cat II Modem. Beneath Apple Manor, Zork, Lock Smith, Wizardry, Ultima... DOS !...
Let's be real: Woz totally picked 666 as a demonic reference. Doesn't mean he believes in demons but everyone knows, especially back in the 70s, that 666 was a Book of Revelations reference.
Testing. testing. Testing.
pong originally designed by motorola not atari atari was a clone
Keep in mind that replicas do not sell for millions.
Eleven tips because we like repeating numbers and you couldn't come up with 22 tips. 🤣
Ha ha
Apple is profitable, but no longer has a soul.
Interesting and well-narrated but spoilt by annoying background music!
lol 1.5mil for an apple 1...
its not sold. its probably not even going to sell
Also, neither of them went to "middle school." They went to junior high. Middle school is something that millennials know as they started to shift grades and change names. lol
Thank you for focusing on the actually important Steve and not conman Steve.
I certainly identify way more with Woz. I don't understand people like Jobs.
Jobs was only money speaks person. With money and luck. Not with anything else. But as always speak and money is more important than nerd power.
$1,500,000???? You have rich?
It's pretty crazy. You would definitely have to be rich to buy something like that.
Firstly, as others have said, lose the background music. It is too loud and too annoying for this type of video. Secondly, if you’re going to put how to build one in the title or thumbnail, then we are expecting you to build one. I can appreciate that this is a guide, kind of, but the fact you didn’t actually build it is, a huge letdown and a little misleading.
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If you wish to make an Apple computer from scratch... You must first DON'T. Just don't. Worst 6502 machine ever.