The New Lionel 2025 Catalog is here.....What have they done.!!!!
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- Let take a look at the new Lionel 2025 catalog. Let me know what you think of this new offering from Lionel. Dont forget to Sub, like and leave a comment. Thanks for watching.
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Great review brother. I would like to thank Lionel for making it easy for me to give my money to the good people at MTH and Atlas
Nothing wrong with that. Lionel is making me look at others a little closer
3rd is good too. I do like Atlas as well.
@solutions2exist556 , Sunset 3rd Rail will no longer be producing any more steam engines. Way too expensive for them to make and sell. They will only be focusing on producing diesels and electrics and anything else made in ABS plastic. Plus 3rd Rail, you have to be very careful because their are no parts available to fix them should something break or fail. Buying 3rd rail is like a roll of the dice. I'd personally stay away from them.
Lionel is at a point where they’re digging a hole into their own Grave
it does appear that way
You are brutal
That's why I love your content
I can't wait to hear what other folks have to say
Thanks, I appreciate it! This catalog was shocking.
@@Jokers_Trains I get the feeling Lionel is going to put out garbage, because people are going to buy it
The passenger cars are unaffordable.I could buy it but why
I snagged a 4 pack of NYC cars for 312 from Muffins auctions.that included shipping
Call me cheap,but part of the fun is snagging quality stuff for half price
I have not seen one person so far say anything good about the catalog . save it for York
@williamkolina3988 , Muffins is a dick! Don't ever deal with him. You have been warned, my friend.
Another beautiful, funny (and accurrate) review. Keep it up! Great delivery and humor! Loved every bit of it!
Thanks man, I appericate you checking out the video.
The kid running Lionel must have come from the Skittles Co. And
I'm guess 125th anniversary means their marking everything up 125%.
Skittles Co 😆😆😆
Lionel can suck it at these prices. Happy 125!
its terrible.
It’s so funny how They advertise that lionChief is supposed to be For beginners of the hobby or for the people that can’t afford a Legacy big boy or a Legacy Hudson. I say that because the fact that they are still selling a freaking lion chief Hudson for $800 Is absolutely ridiculous😂😂
it is nuts. i all for paying to much for trains but this is getting out of hand.
For $800 that diner car better come with a Porterhouse medium rare!
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Not wrong.
Lionel has eaten the last porterhouse off of me. I previously ordered one Hudson from a previous catalog. Move along … nothing to see in this catalog.
Love your review, I laughed the entire time. I think what made this catalog amazing was just your commentary, now that is something I would buy😂😂
hell yeah i appreciate the comment sir.
20th century set come with Advil for the headache you’ll have from all the sound cars?!
facts. this is a great comment.
Sounds are cool for about 2 minutes.
11:50 had me rolling. My thoughts exactly
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Lionel will not live to see another 125 years. Insane prices, product coming out defective, no parts available to keep stuff running. Their digging their own grave. Go with MTH. I spoke with them earlier this afternoon, and they stated that they will be making some all new product. The exact details, unfortunately I can't speak of. But things are looking good over at MTH.
That’s what I hear about MTH. But until I see something useful from them I won’t believe it. I like some of the steam they do. But I hate their drawbar.
Thanks for the review, straight forward and just how it is. Catalogs like this help me put down "NEW" Lionel. Poor chooses and crazy prices which has got me looking for older Lionel at auctions and train shows. Your review said it all!
Thanks for comment. I appreciate you watching. Nothing wrong with buying older Lionel.
I predict a banner year for RMT and Menards. Scale and semi-scale at prices we can actually afford.
I can see that and the used market will continue to be really good I think.
Hi Joker: Gary here from Michigan - I just received my paper copy in today's mail. The cover seems to be more of brown leather color. It look more black on this online version. Your frame 4:42 is funny: I agree - B Sh........t. Cold here ⛄
Hey Gary. Good to see you comment. Haven’t seen you in a while. Thanks for watching. Stay warm 😆😆😆
Did someone say Rutland!?! 😂
Love a good Jokers catalog review. You always keep it real
Thanks Eric was for sure talking about you.
Seeing items in the catalog was neat. I will never be able to afford anything new. I think it's just silly to have that kind of money tied up in toys. I'm old enough to remember when you could buy a new fully loaded muscle car for $3,500.00. If you spend that kind of money, it should at least bring home the groceries.
I hear ya. I wish I grew up in those times. 😆
Great review Joker
I agree those "vision line" auto racks are dumbest things I have seen. I could buy 2 far superior Atlas O racks for that price and have plenty of money left over.
The price of their outdated mediocre passenger cars is insulting.
Does Lionel think we are idiots? You have to wonder who buys some of this crap at these prices...how much longer will this business model work for Guggenheim Investment Management (Lionel's corporate overlords)
They have made it hard for me to want to buy anything from this catalog. Maybe the Trump custom run from Metca.
Who can afford this?
Not the average family.
Whats going on Lionel?
This is a solid question. If I get anything it won’t be much.
Hang on, I've had a question related to that (and I'm sure I'm not the only one who has this question). If a person can afford a house, a car, and a computer, how come they can't afford a model train?
Probably because a person needs those things and not model trains. Spending $1800 on a PC for your job is different from spending $1800 on a model train that'll arrive with incorrect paint and broken electronics.
What are you ordering then.
Not wrong.
Congratulations on 125 years Lionel!!! After seeing this selection with these horrible prices I doubt you’ll make it much longer…..
You might be right, but let's hope they change their ways!
@@Jokers_Trainsthis was the worry I had once MTH went away basically. Now Lionel has no competition so they can do whatever the fuck they want. Let’s look at traditional line, Menards basically destroyed Lionel and they basically said ok and totally gave up. Anything traditional that Lionel is just licensed crap. They have no competition with the scale line, especially with steam so they’re gonna keep getting crazier. In 5 years a consolidation will be 1500 and a northern will be 2200…. Just wait!!!
They can keep those toys for those high prices!!!!!
terrible prices.
#Lionel Forgot what makes this hobby grow, entry-level engines, and sets that normal people can afford and build on.
I agree. They are out of control.
A pure lack of “Vision”. If these shadows remain unchallenged or unchanged then I see a Lionel management team in an unemployment line while the Lionel company exists no more. It is one thing if price increases bring new innovation and features; but charging more and more each year for less and less features while rewarding your customers with increased quality control problems will destroy Lionel or any company. Any engine over $2000 dollars should be sporting all features known to Lionel. Smoke coming out of ever single pipe, firebox, values, water pick-up, swinging bell, etc. They could have issued a new die-cast Diesel or bring the ES Die-Cast 44s from 2010. Can you say EVO with lights Lionel! It is time for new innovative features. This management needs firing. They could have not issued a worst catalog if they had tried.
I agree with you 💯. I don’t mind paying when I can see the efforts. I see no effort in this catalog. I really want the FA-2 but I’m not sure I want to support this nonsense.
Speechless bro, Speechless. I'm changing Lionels name to the Failboat. And the Failboat needs a new captain. Only thing good about the catalog? The honest dude that just reviewed it
Thanks for the comment Salty. I agree with you. That lionel staff is on some bullshit.
@Jokers_Trains Crack rock laced with bullshit.....
Nothing in there I seen I wanted. When a Handcar is Priced at $200 I'll pass on everything else. As far as Steam Engines go, guess I can choose between a New York Central or Pennsylvania RR one. That's pretty much the only Road Names I remember seeing. When MTH can come out with a more Complicated Made Shay for $1200 you would think this Heisler would be at a Similiar Price and not Priced $500 higher. If Lionel keeps jacking up their Prices there won't be any Hobby Shops left in business.
I agree. last time they ran the heisler they were 1200 range. this is silly.
These prices are kind of nuts. I usually actually almost always buy used because new to me is new enough. I don’t see Lionel being able to continue on in the future unless they get a grip and realize that people can’t afford their products. And controversial I know if a company wants to make money they need a market of consumers willing to buy their products. But that market is getting smaller and it’s mostly Lionel’s own damn fault.
I will likely be buying more used stuff as well.
Awesome direct review as always. You had mentioned you might do a live cast on Friday to discuss the catalog. Are you still planning on that, or just plan on maybe talking about that next Sunday at your normal time?
I’m planning on it. I’m waiting on a camera for the PC to come so I can be on screen and have the book on screen.
Lionel needs some competition. That’s the issue. Very disappointing. Thanks for posting.
Agree. And some not idiots running them
Funniest catalog review I’ve seen!!😂
😆😆. Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
This is why I buy second hand.
Not a bad plan hunter.
Thanks for making me laugh through this sad catalog! They have passed up opportunities and unfortunately I don’t think they know how to fix it . Some bean counter says keep creeping up the price!
After the Dreyfuss color flunk , they’re going to spin the wheel again?? NYC guys are not taking that risk luckily enough you win them back with the Hudson. Speaking of Hudson I’m sorry I can’t see any thing that makes me say wow . Those Autoracks are crap, and the graffiti is horrible!
We might be at a transition point where the people stop buying, kinda like the pick up trucks! Yeah we like the new great things with bells and whistles but if it’s not reliable or affordable, it’s not going to sell.
I agree. I would really hope Lionel feels the effects of this. It’s not just high prices. It’s shit product selection
I’m just getting the 1939 red comet. Back to the waiting game on eBay.
nice, im doing the same waiting game on Trainz. it really makes it better is you get what you want.
Been in the o gauge hobby for years. Quit buying new Lionel Trains 6 years ago. Went to older Lionel TMCC steam locos. Picked high quality JLC like Berks from early 2k. Challengers etc. Last Challenger bought 5 years ago JLC UP for 975.00 at Trainz, love that place to buy from. Lionel new, they can sell there overpriced garbage back to the high wage workers in China and Vietnam. Scam company.
I started collecting the JLC stuff and having it upgraded to legacy. But I might be with you and just be buying older stuff also.
The conventional set is highway robbery but I’m thankful for this catalog so I don’t have to pre order a lot on this one 😂
I think i might be safe also.
@ I’m going for the “t1” s2 and the AEC gondola for my set. Unless Lionel can show me a swinging bell on the Heisler forget it as much as I like the Christmas set for under my tree
Great video Zach ,what a joke of a catalog 😂those crazy ass prices and nothing looks good I will definitely stay with M.T.H. 😎
I’m might be safe from train buying.
Finally the CPKC ES44s! I already have them pre-ordered from Atlas so I will stick with those... Big miss on the trainmaster set by not creating a scale automatic milk car and substituting a hot box reefer instead.
That would have been a much better set. The atlas CPKC are gonna be awesome. Can’t wait to see them.
Yup too pricy! Ill pass!
i want a few things but i might be skipping.
If Lionel keeps raising the prices, we are going to see a repeat of America Flyer S Gauge.
*Because lionel nearly killed it due to ridiculously high prices*
I fear you may be correct.
@@Jokers_Trains I am not making this up, *the new Lionel pacifics are now more expensive than every single s gauge TMCC, Flyerchief and Legacy american flyer steam locomotive made in the past 20 years.* (except the 2-8-8-2s)
Keep in mind, they were originally $430 in 2016. Lionel has now inflated the price by $270. Now they cost $700😬
Judging from the last three catalogs, I’m pretty sure flyer is dead.
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One of the few things that's keeping it relevant is the s gauge polar express.
It was a smart move of lionel to make it. If the price wasn't so high, I'd honestly get one.
PrIce is out of control
All the way out of control
Joshua Cowen is spinning in his grave. Who can even afford these trains.
I’m starting to not want too
Nicely done. JUNK CATALOG!
Thanks. It really is.
Lionel. Trying to be all things to all people. From kiddie toys to scale modelers. Tough row to hoe.
Trying to be the best. Quickly becoming the worst.
There are some things I did find interesting, but really the only things worth buying (at least to me) is the Thomas & Friends 80th Anniversary boxcar for sentimenal reasons. Rest of it was pretty mid.
agree there are interesting things in it. just the prices don't make sense to me.
This is the inaugural year that will be Lionel's end....it will take a few more years for them to realize it....but the hobby already knows.
Would not shock me if you are right. Feels like they have fell along way from 2014.
Excellent Review!!!!!👏👏👏👏
I would guarantee those heavyweight passenger cars are the old K-line molds from back in the day. I have k-line passenger cars and they are identical to the lionel ones. Way to expensive for a passenger car.
Thanks for watching and the comment. I would not be shocked if you are right about those cars. I know they are older but they may be K-line
Im guessing about the new Commodore Vanderbilt streamliner, the blue looks outstanding along with the coaches, especially the PRR steam turbine tuscan red, the prewar set and the Florida East Coast one
But other than that 14:02 - 28:41 don't get me started on these two 💀💀
It’s gonna be hard for me to talk myself into something with these prices. But we will see.
@Jokers_Trains If these model came out, they could've cut down the price for in stores so I don't spend money over a single set like the god awful Lion chief passenger cars, I prefer one locomotive not the set.
Only things I like in this catalog are the Prewar freight set and the NYC 2133W set. The prices however for said sets thought are not working for me.
I know, I wanted a few things too, but it seems like they're going with that high price point on everything.
@Jokers_Trains To be honest, though, isn't that the norm for Lionel these days?
This better be the best catalog so far.
Well it’s not 😆😆
Told...instructed...finally people are telling it like it is. I have a theory on Lionel's current marketing strategy....might not be a popular subject but it has to do with their prime customer mortality rate and their realization of this lack of sustainability vs a future potential secondary market .
Thanks for watching, I try to always tell it like it is. I would like to know their strategy. Would be nice to know.
I'll stay with the older Lionel's from the 1940's - 50's! They run great, don't break the bank, and can be repaired without being a computer engineer!
Sometimes postwar is more enjoyable I agree.
What did they do to the turbine steam engine. The S2 steam turbine is one of the engines i want for my future lay out. I got an old Lione L catalog that shows it and i been waiting to see how they would update it one day but not like this also the price is high way robbery. Same with the geared steam locomotive. I am better off just getting old Lione L products dating before 2020 off of Ebay or any other train selling web sight. No way in h e double hockey sticks will i pay that much. Thank you for making this video if i had not seen this i would of been waiting till my birthday 2 months from now to get this years catalog like i all ways do every year.
Yeah no problem. Thanks for watching man. They did a run of the S2 several years back. So maybe you can find one of them for a much better price. I think the last time they made the S2 was 10 years ago or so. Somewhere around there.
Lionel is the equivalent of the electric F-150 lighting
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The general consensus is that Lionel did SOMETHING monumental,, but not in a good way.
It does seem to be that way.
Now you know why I don't buy Lionel, Zac,lol Mth and Atlas only, for me. I Hope Lionel is listening to you Guys! Great Review, Zac. Thanks for sharing!
After seeing this catalog I understand it. This is terrible.
My catalog review comes out on Friday January 24th. Look forward to it?
Sure
I have to say you had me rolling with some of these comments! Funny in their own right, but also funny because it's accurate. This catalog is trash.
Thanks for watching man. You are correct it’s trash.
Even with a slightly lower price from distributors, prices will still be obnoxious
Yeah. It’s ridiculous. I was shocked at the FA price. I really want the B&O but I don’t know
I really wonder what it cost Lionel to produce one of these trains because I'm really starting to feel the barrel of the Lionel gun in my back. 🙄
I know it cost something. But they aren’t cheap getting all the skull.
The 2024 catalog was so much better I was expecting great things and all we got were crazy prices.👎
I agree, this was a let down.
If they keep up with these prices, there won’t be another anniversary catalog from Lionel.
You are not wrong.
Usually, it's the vol 2 that does better catches my eye. Very rare its vol 1
It does. That still shouldn’t be 3600
@@Jokers_Trains true but they know that we are dumb enough to buy it at times
Hold on you your postwar, LTI and MPC……….I spit part of my lunch up
Laughing at your disgust……😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks. I think 😆
Great video as always but this catalog was a total let down. I really needed something good today too 🙄
Thanks for the comment. But I agree. Total let down.
I'll ride the van on the rims everyone will think I'm a train coming down the road 😮😅
lets ride
Ive always loved lionel trains but for those prices they can keep all their stuff and its not really inflation thats up its mostly price gouging IMO but $3700 for a hudson passenger car set?!?! what is lionel smoking? im going to just back away from buying any brand new trains especially from lionel and they should rename that catalog to the new 125th disappointment anniversary catalog
Agree with your comment. And the disappointment anniversary is a fitting title.
@ Yeah i doubt theyll sell much of anything from that or anything with those prices
B&LE and Drgw tunnel motot are in my wish list
The DRGW look really nice.
There was really only one thing that I might buy. The housatonic gp35
Nice can you tell me what the housatonic is. I’m sure I could Google it, do you know what it is or just like the engine.
@@Jokers_Trains the housatonic is a small freight railroad in northwestern Connecticut that still operates today. It runs through the Danbury, Brookfield, New Milford areas. I live not that far from there so I see these locos occasionally. i thought it was cool how Lionel actually took notice of the very small railroads like this one
remakes, remakes and more remakes......and higher prices.....I miss MTH....if you don't need smoke coming out all your holes, get a TMCC engine, they have the same details most of the time......and a hell of a lot cheaper used.
nothing wrong in this comment.
MTH needs to return to catalog production.
Hey, wait a minute! You're the guy on Ebay who was trying to sell that Lionel Legacy Pacific for $10K. You're a thief!
Better off buying LGB or Piko G or Marklin Maxi Gauge 1 modelleisenbahn.
Ya boycott comes to mind of course we all love being galged
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I'm getting the custom run ES44 from METCA. It's gonna be hUGE!
🤦♂️. As I posted this I remember I forgot to mention it.
I have an 07 Harley full bagger that cost me less than this shit. An twice as much fun!
Lionel makes 1 thing well.
They make Atlas customers. 👍🏻
Nice. I want a street glide. And I agree with you. If atlas starts making big steam I will be all about that. Thanks for watching and thanks for the comment. Hopefully you are somewhere you can enjoy your Harley this weekend
Great review but I'm sticking with mth
Nothing wrong with that. I may be doing the same thing.
Guess we’ll see you coming home with some more purple and blue boxes in 2025/2026 eh? 😂
If Mikey can figure out a real draw bar. But don’t worry plenty of older legacy stuff to buy.
Go get them Zac
The autoracks are silly
I could get 3 Atlas autoracks for that price
I'm wondering what color 8099 will be Kelly,lime,forest,neon green.I must see it first
The passenger cars are robbery
My father once told me
You don't need a gun to pull a stick up
this is a great comment
Like to seen a remake of the of the anniversary FA set from 1950. But
We know the aftermarket fill the bill.
That would of been another great choice.
My wallet is safe. This catalog is disappointing. However, Atlas released their new catalog today and punched Lionel in the gut with less items 😆.
i didnt care for the atlas catalog. i was really hoping to see the B&O es44 in there
The catalog was quite a let down…and even when I saw something I might like I then looked at the price 😂. $1000 for an Atlantic? GP 35s are now priced at what the SD 50s were 2 years ago 😮
I agree. full let down
Prices are higher than snoop dogg
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I am gonna get the Auto rack set and just not use the BIG ART car or sell it
That’s good call.
Ya van needs tires or hay could buy these great subpar trains why not 😅😮😊
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When it comes to lionel iv got a million of them last time I looked at my bank acount I'm not a millionaire no matter how big a rail fan I am
Sory didn't meen to take over ur video lional vary tutchy subject so many lional snobs out there didn't grow up running atlas n gauge just started trying o asked some questions on forum u would think I came from Mars or somthing good video honest and straight to the point thank u have a good night 👍
Not ordering anything nothing tripped my trigger. Honestly a little disappointed
Same. I’m disappointed myself.
The western maryland is circus scheme not clown scheme
Oh thanks, sorry about that
I'll keep sticking with Atlas and MTH 😅 Lionels out of their minds, some non fantasy stuff looks nice, they've always made too much of that fantasy crap, prices are obsurd 😮 guess they plan to lose business
I agree with. I looking forward to trying some atlas stuff.
They lost their minds, MTH all day long.
100% lost their minds.
That rocket car looks like trash. Doesn't look like it could even be coupled to a train. The prices on their trains are crazy. I noticed a lot of G scale even cheaper than some of the stuff in that catalog
Right that thing is terrible. I don’t really understand this catalog at all. No direction. Just madness.
True to the user name. Joker trains 😂
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Overpriced trains😂😂
Indeed
Boring anniversary trains. Just like Hornby. 😩😖
Hundred and twenty five years to blow our minds, knock our socks off…. Meh. Nothing new, not a thing new, accept paint.
yeah they wasted the chance to have a great 125th
Yeah that catalog is bad . Looks like lionel doesn't care about their product. Shame
It does appear to be that is the case. So many opportunities for their 125th anniversary
I'm still going to be a sucker and buy at least two of those Hudson's hahaha
I honestly think the 700E tooling is a little more accurate than the k-line tooling... At least on the smoke box
Good for you man. I just can’t talk myself into it. I’m usually a pretty good sport but they are getting out of hand. I appreciate you watching.
@Jokers_Trains you're welcome! I'm probably going to wait to buy one from Mr muffins
Go for it Diamond Jim 😂
This catalog is scary. For better or worse, richer or poorer, train enthusiasts must root for Lionel. Over the last few years, Lionel has managed to include offerings of interest to everyone. This is a shocking and depressing exception. Instead of offering a decent range of products in a diverse variety of road names, Lionel has offered a Bunch of Lionel "branded" products, some stupid auto carrier offerings, a graffiti line, and a big Star Wars tie-in. When brands with collector followings start begging for crumbs from Star Wars or Disney licensed products, they are circling the drain. (Hallmark? Is that you?) The gantry crane looks nice. And what about the awful Santa Fe Aluminum Passenger Cars. Lines did a great Yellow Bonnet and Blue Bonnet (along with several war chiefs). Where is a single quality scale aluminum passenger set? Is the LionChief set a cruel joke? At least the Cab 3 has no competition for my annual budget.
I agree. I think if they keep this up it will not end well for Lionel. This is a miss and letdown.
I’ll pass on anything in this catalog. Nothing remotely interesting to me. What a let down.
There is a few things I’m interested in but we will see what I end up doing.
Bunch of overpriced, cheaply made, uninsprired junk. Not impressed.
Yeah huge let down
If u have that big of a problem with the prices why get a catalog an wast ppl time on here video sucks no wonder u only got 80 likes
What are you buying big stepper. I’m gonna go with nothing. But I will wait for your reply where you tell me you are gonna order 10k worth of shit. 😆😆😆. Thanks for the view. 😎
@@Jokers_Trains, he can't handle criticism, obviously! 😂😂😂😂
MTH locomotives and rolling stock and postwar Lionel is what I like. Modern Lionel prices are ridiculous.
Im a lionel guy but the prices are stupid