No one should change to believe in Christ. In fact, whether you’re gay or a pedophile or a murderer, or a liar, or a fornicator or whatever, we come to the cross, broken and contrite over our sin, and in that process, Christ cleans us up. It is the blessed man who’s sins are covered but remember what first John says, those born from above do not continue practicing sin so clearly a cleaning up happens when one becomes regenerate
U don't have to be this way anyone can be forgiven even if ur a murderer and if ur gay u can repent from it and it's not called being urself it's called not hearing god I'm sorry u feel this way but if u repent maybe you'll get better:(
Can you guys pray for me I’ve been struggling with my homosexuality as well I am female and the devil is making me think I like females as well,if anyone could pray for me it would be really appreciated!! 😊
Love is created by God. I try to always remember that when discussing this topic. Remember that everyone is loved. If you are queer in any capacity and trying to repent and get God to change your heart is causing you so much pain that you have thoughts of hurting yourself, please stop trying to get it to go away. God cares way more about your safety than who you love.
And what should you say to a person who happened to one day feel “naturally inclined” to go on a killing rampage, killing innocent kids inside of a school? Imagine saying that in court? “Your honor, I just felt the need to do it, therefore I just couldn’t resist not to.”
@mrtesttube1336 God doesn't make mistakes, but remember that made us with "free will" meaning we can do whatever we want, but there are consequences on what we do, just like being homosexual, here's a bible verse to contradict your statement, 1Corinthians 6:9-20 says: 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 12"Everything is permissible for me"-but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"-but I will not be mastered by anything. 13"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"-but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." 17But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. 18Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. Meaning HOMOSEXUALS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
@mrtesttube1336I can agree that God does in fact not make mistakes But the second part of your statement seems to be a complete contradiction of Jesus and other figures in the new testament telling people to turn from their ways and to fight with yourself I'd like to hear your thoughts tho on your statement further if you don't mind That way we can reason together and understand each other's view points better
I dont think sexuality is a sin - truly - because sin is always individual - a straight person cant love a man - the same way I, as a gay guy -can - just like a poor person, getting a raise - isnt greedy - the rich man, taking more from his employees, to buy his 10th car - thats greed - its based on who you are, your actions - i think at least.
@@fazelok while I understand your logic and where your coming from, I cannot agree with that statement completely. Reason being that the stance on individual sins is centered about what you think is good and not. Individuals are based on their own sin by their intent and actions yes, but we need to understand that what our actions and intent are based off God's order not our own "A straight person can't love a man the same way as a gay guy can" well that's assuming that the gay guy isn't sinning because he loves men as well. See Romans 1:29 for evidence. I'd argue that homosexuality is a sin just as much lying or murdering, not in action but in principle. No matter what kind of person you are if you lie it is technically, no matter what kind of person that you are murder is still wrong. No matter what kind of person you are, if God said loving the same Gender in a relationship way is wrong then it is wrong. One last thing, it isn't just Homosexuality that is seen in the Bible to be a unnatural love. There's beastiality which is loving animals which is loving them in a lustful desire or unnaturally more than humans. Incest which should be straightforward for the most part. Adultery which is cheating in marriage with other people. And Lust to people that you're not in a relationship with. So in hindsight it's a lot more grand than just Homosexuality that's mentioned in the Bible, but it's all these things that were written to God's will not our own, what I mean is that our mortality is vaguely based off God's will (aka the law written in our hearts) but I think it's important to understand that we can't go off our morals just because we think it's ok. If we did then we be in contradiction way more with God than if we took the time to see what God says about the subject. Have a good day stranger
As a faithful christian, I am not gay or bisexual. What I also am not is a person who judges others and hates other people, god does not want us to do such things, god wants us to love others. I find it disgusting that fellow christians can swear to be by god yet be so traitorous as to commit these “hate crimes”. (As they are labelled) No, being “LGBTQ+” is not supported by the bible ( I *think* ), yet ruthlessly insulting and belittling other humans is also (if not more) frowned upon. My fellow people in god, please do better, improve yourself, do not make them see us as hateful people, as that will only drag more people away from god.
But identifying yuurself as homosexual does not erase your identity with god and christ, does it? Your relationship with God will remain and it's unique to each persons life and i dont like seeing that erased
One does not simply “stop” being gay it’s how you were born it’s not like choosing to eat at McDonald’s or choosing a game to play and there are signs of homosexuality in animals and I doubt we influenced them
There are many temptations that every human struggles with. That is why the Bible named them out and created laws and rules for people, because we all have a sinful nature. Any sin that we struggle with can be done away with in the name of Jesus Christ. Ask him for help and forgiveness and deliverance from any temptation we struggle with. 1 Corinthians chapter 6 is part of many letters from Paul to the church in the New Testament encouraging the people to give up their old ways and be born again in Christ.
I’m gay and have been gay since I was the age of 4 which is my earliest memories of having attraction to others. I grew up in a religious church going home. I didn’t grow up exposed to or knew another gay person until I was a teen and literally would try and pray the gay away because I grew up tormented wanting to be “normal”. I believe in God and our Lord Jesus Christ. I have morals and values and try my hardest everyday to be an outstanding contribution to society in the way I treat others. All that being said I literally cannot force myself to be with someone from the opposite sex. Why should I be destined to a life of loneliness while watching others in happy committed relationships?. I could be wrong but I refuse to believe God created me to suffer and live a life not fulfilled with love. Why would it be fair for a heterosexual to be able to live life sinning in other ways they can choose to control and be welcomed into the kingdom and I can’t based off of something I LITERALLY cannot change about myself.
You were having sexual attraction at 4 years old? Yep something traumatic happened to you and it made you feel the way you feel. A similar pattern with people who have same sex attraction. You need to get right with god
Following Christ involves some kind of suffering for everyone. Some people are homosexuals, some are gamblers, or people who get drunk. No sin is greater than the other. Your trials or suffering might be dealing with homosexuality, another person will have something else to bear with. Can we put what we as humans want aside and live by what god is telling us in the Bible?
God makes no mistakes. Just remember, dont trust in your feelings. I heard your story, but i am sure there is more detail when you are whith the same sex. I would really love to help you I want to meet you in heaven! I love you ! You will not force yourself, let God take the weel.Even if it is out of your comfort zone😃
I am bisexual and i struggle with feelings for the same gender i cant help it. But my true i identity will always be a servant of Christ and a Christian
Not sure exactly what works since I am not in the same situation as you, but I would really recommend to keep praying and read the word of God.@@user-ge5dd5pk4d
ok i have a genuine question. so i've been questioning whether i'm bi for a while now but firstly, idk if its wrong, and secondly, ik i would never date a female but i still experience attraction to females. i have a male preference, and my attraction o females is really just "oh shes really pretty." whats that called and what do i do
1 in every ten animals engage in homosexual activities and you say it's not natural? If God didn't want us to be gay, he wouldn't have created homosexuality (God created everything, did he not?) For people who tell us to "love thy neighbor" this does not feel very loving towards your neighbor. If you really loved them you would accept them for who they were instead of trying to fix something that was never their choice in the first place, and/or being stuck on something that doesn't affect you.
Listen here God didn't necessarily create EVERYTHING for example a phone God didn't make it but he gave us the resources to So homosexually is also manmade God didn't make homosexually but he lets it happen because he gave us free will after eve and adam ate the apple ALSO VERY IMPORTANT If a family member is really hurt why should you care it doesn't affect you right? That's why we care because we're supposed to see everyone as our brothers and sisters (just those two ) Animals are a whole different from us and i don't have answers for that Do your research before you talk thinking you're sLaYiNg
@@michaelagyeman7245 So God didn't make _Penguins?_ No-one makes gay people, they are naturally occurring in every human culture that we have record of. Spare us your false concern.
I hate to break it to you but it is their choice at the end of the day.. just like saying it's not my fault for cheating, she/he just looks so pretty, I cant handle it. But I do agree that people who doesnt follow the bible shoundt be harassed like what media shows christians do. Believe me when I say that most christians arent like that, in my church atleast, but you can still love your neighbor without supporting them, does that mean that i dont love muslims because they have other beliefs? No, see my point? The only thing that sadden me is that some christians seem to have forgotten the teachings of the church and so would act against what the bible had told us to do, which is to bascially not harm others and to love them.
@@dejus_e Think about this. If your straight then you like the opposite gender and you can't control that. If you tried to pretend to be gay then you can't, right? Same thing with being gay. I am a lesbian. I didn't choose to be this way I just am. If I tried to crush on boys I can't because I don't feel attracted to them so I can't just switch, therefore it's not a choice.
@@yourdoseoflogic131 It sounds like you are easily offended if you find someone calling your opinions source a chameleon "extremely rude". No wonder homosexuality offends you. It sounds like it's top of a massive long list of things you find offensive. I believe the term snowflake is normally used for such a person.
YESSS OFC. Yes, someone and everyone can be saved and forgiven for sexual sin, but it is up to that person if they want to repent and believe in Jesus Christ. It's up to you if you want to turn to Jesus and repent but if you do want to don't wait another minute and you can pray and talk to God anywhere. It can be a kneeling on the floor prayer or even a whisper in your heart just don't wait so long to turn to Jesus for tomorrow is not promised.
I WAS ALMOST TEMP BY SATAN TO BE A LESBIAN BUT I REBUKE SATAN IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS AND NOW I DONT FEEL ANYTHING TO BE CONFUSED OF MY GENDER AND BY PRAYER READING THE WORD OF GOD PERSONAL RELLATIONSHIP TO OUR LORD KING JESUS LEAD ME TO THE TRUTH. I CHOOSE LIGHT OVER EVIL ARROWS DARKNESS TRAP OF SATAN.
@@Grokford No! Love is not a sin, GOD is Love! however behaviors and lifestyles that aren't acceptable to God are a sin. I study and know the word of God and would be happy to seek Jesus together and pray with you. Jesus and I are here for you. I have no pride! by the grace of GoD pride left a long time ago, what I certainly have is the Blessed Assurance and Forgiveness of Christ Jesus of Nazareth. Hallelujah!!!!
@@stacywallace9393 "however behaviors and lifestyles that aren't acceptable to God are a sin." And who says what those are? You? Sure. " I study and know the word of God and would be happy to seek Jesus together and pray with you." A kind offer but I am not unstudied either. The anti-gay interpretation is a construct, and a fragile one at that.
What about smoking? I am struggling to quit smoking everyday gor the past 6 months. I stopped before last year but i started it again this year. God cannot be mocked. He delivered me before and i took it for granted. Forgive me Lord😢
Wage war against your own flesh because that's where the devil loves to reside as he has the most advantage and influence in the flesh because the flesh is weak.
God has forgiven you and you must understand he has and then, walk in that forgiveness stopping looking back and comparing your self to your past and live for the now. Jesus has taken away the guilt and the condemnation.
We'll smoking is not looking after your body like a temple is it?? Out body is God's temple isn't it?? So with that said I struggled with smoking too, I was always praying to God to forgive me and to help me stop, it didn't work And why didn't it??? Because I wasn't putting any effort into change, and I was lighting a smoke and then praying after and knowing that it was wrong. So here is the solution I came to!! I prayed to God and I knew deep down that I had to do this, I prayed a prayer saying lord Jesus I make a promise to you now that I stop smoking, I make this promise because I believe in you, I make this promise in knowing you died on the cross for me. I got up threw my smokes in the bin, and haven't smoked since, been 7 months now, and I have up alcohol at the same time, so big bonus there from God.. Nothing is possible without God permitting it, so I accepted that Jesus won't help you unless you make the commitment and follow through. At the time I was studying the 1st sin and the consequences of that sin... Sin is sin, and all sin is just as bad as any sin!! Jesus wants to see us make an effort to change and leave our sins behind and follow him.. so after you pray and promise god to give up, each time you think about a smoke just remember you don't want the smoke, Satan wants you to have the smoke to discrace God's temple. I hope this helps you and anyone else.. Amen
@Pro π that's cute. Let roll with your premise, let's say I get off on wearing dresses, explain to me why it would be OK to do that in front of mothers and their kids? If you defend the drag for kids thing, you're defending the scenario I'm proposing. Bummer you can't post GIFs in here to mock me, it's always satisfying when a communist resorts ro gifs and memes.
Im lesbian. I knew i was different since i was 5. I didnt know what lesbian meant back then but i wanted to be husdand when playing house and put kens clothes on barbie. As i grew up i competed against boys and was protective of girls. As i got older my first crush was on a girl. I wasnt around gay people. I did not know what gay was. Then wheb i found out why i was how i was i was confussed cause i didnt choose it. I accept who i am and i love God. I dont think God is evil to condem me for who i always have been. God loves me. Sodom wasnt about gays. No one ever talks about lot giving his daughters for rape or how lots daughters had sex with him.
Demons have been following you around since you were 5 or even sooner. It doesn’t matter that you weren’t around anyone or didn’t know anything, the devil preys on children too.
@@Theflowersnomore We’re the ones who keep the demons around. Of course God can destroy all the demons. I mean Jesus Christ already defeated satan when he died on the cross and resurrected. But we keep inviting demons into our lives. The thing is, God is a God of order and he’s a master planner and one of things that has to happen is that demons will roam this earth until the rapture/judgement day and after, they will be thrown in the lake of fire. It has to do with free will and what we choose or else we’d all be robots blindly following a god with no choice whatsoever. In conclusion, even demons have a part in God’s plan.
I am not homosexual nor heterosexual and i agree. Many times people actually hurt me but this didn't feel hurtful really. Don't know if this man is saying the truth but at least he was nice about it imo.
@@jaypolas4136 huh? I dont understand your comment. I am nothing. I'm not hetero, i'm not gay, i'm not bi, i'm nothing. I don't identify with anything. Right now i'm in love with a man, but i could be in love with anybody really.
@@Ankku98that is the truth, he is speaking the truth. When I was a homosexual person I used to put joy, emotions and love other every thing else. And you can easy make some test with homosexual people to justify that all of them live with more feminine energy, they put love, emotions and joyful live in their flesh. We can easy love everything but putting it went to far, soon you will drift away from God one day. If god intent me is a man, if he have only one path, then it will be the path I will go no other path cause he show me the way
Everything you said about the bible is wrong. Homosexuality as an orientation is not mentioned. People back then had no concept of "sexual orientation" the way we do. Don't you do any research or study the bible beyond some dribblings from a local pastor?
"I prayed for years for God to make me straight. He didn't" To quote John Bevere... "If your experience was anything like mine, you were exposed to porn at a young age. I was twelve when a friend showed me a magazine, and it grabbed hold of me. When I got saved, some struggles left immediately. I stopped living like a frat kid, going to parties and drinking excessively. I was instantly freed from cussing. But my struggle with porn proved far more stubborn, even extending into the first couple years of my marriage. It seemed that no matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t break free. Then, I went on a four-day fast, and I was completely delivered. Puzzled, I asked God why, for so long, it seemed I couldn’t break free no matter what I tried-but then one day, the bondage finally broke. What He showed me was that, before getting free, I was sorrowful over my sin, but it was the wrong kind of sorrow. Paul tells us, “For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death” (2 Corinthians 7:10 ESV). When I couldn’t get free, I was afraid of the consequences that continuing to struggle could have in my life. I didn’t want it to ruin my ministry or my marriage. Leading up to the time when I got free, everything changed, I began to be grieved that my sin was hurting the hearts of those I loved. This was godly sorrow-a sorrow motivated not by fear of personal loss, but by love for God and others. And it produced a deep repentance in my heart. If you are struggling to get free, the first question you need to ask yourself is: “Who is the focus of my sorrow?” Do you have worldly sorrow, fearing the personal consequences of your sin? Or do you have godly sorrow, driven by genuine love? The first kind of sorrow will keep you bound. The latter will lead you toward freedom. Today, I want you to pray that God would produce godly sorrow in you. Ask to know Him more intimately, and that you would be genuinely grieved over any sin that would get in the way of that intimacy. When you get your motivation right, it makes all the difference. " John Bevere also gives an example of one of his friends, to further illustrate his point. "A number of years ago, I had a friend who was addicted to smoking cigarettes. Despite knowing how bad the habit was for him, he would still find himself smoking four packs a day. For years, he prayed and asked God to set him free from it, but nothing changed. Then, one day, he saw a friend in his church get instantly delivered from the same problem. My friend was so frustrated. Angry, he went to God and exclaimed, “I’ve been crying out to You for two years! Why haven’t You delivered me?!” God spoke to him and said, “Because you still like it.” He was stunned, overcome by the revelation that God couldn’t deliver him from something he still liked and desired. That’s because God will never override our free will. He repented, asking God to help him to stop desiring the very thing that kept him in bondage, and was instantly delivered. This man went from smoking four packs of cigarettes a day to none-and he’s been free till this day. Paul exhorts us, “Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good” (Romans 12:9 NKJV). If you want to get free, you can’t be double-minded. You must passionately hate the sin you want to be free from. It was only when my heart began to break over how my struggle with porn was breaking God’s heart that I began walking in freedom. When I started to see my sin the way God sees it-for the destructive, damaging, detestable thing that it was-I hated it through and through. Pray that God would help you see your sin for what it is. Ask Him to help you hate it. When there is no part of you that still loves your sin, you’ll find it so much easier to let go of."
You can’t do anything about them because there is no you to do anything about them. You don’t make thoughts come and go. All thoughts and feelings are empty and unknowable appearances just like the body, sky, trees, planets, frustration, doubt, sense of self and others, sense of reality, belief or no belief in god or divinity, happiness or sadness -> all appearances without any separation and completely impersonal and choiceless. Everything is already whole and complete, without any source and creator. There is no free will and choice. You don’t exist, no one does. No one has ever lived on earth but no one knows that. Seems like there is a me here and others, feels so real. Well, dreams feel real too, don’t they? Until they don’t lol. Same thing is the “wakeful state”. This is paradise. Empty paradise for no one. Just paradise without any meaning and purpose, a cosmic joke laughing at itself 😂
@@Grokford It does. Read Timothy 1:10 “The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching.”
The problem with all the people in the comment section telling this guy he’s wrong is they’re all led by emotion. Emotion is good, but emotion should not be the leader of your heart. If Christ is leader of your heart, you’re going to do things that feel bad to your emotions. If you argue Christ should not be the leader of your heart, you need to do some reading. Don’t follow your emotions, follow the teaching of the truth of God.
You have a good point but many of us are doing this due to their ignorance but as we Christians that are straight like I myself we shall rise together. To put an end to this conflict.
Everyone’s right tho it shouldn’t be a sin if it comes naturally. And as a child I don’t like how everybody is saying (on TH-cam) that I’m going to hell. And I’m not going to RePeNt cause that word sounds stupid and I’m not really in to your weird fantasy club.
@@Myp0tt3ry Very well, but only thou shall choose. Not just to yourself but also your descendants in the next generation also will decide to live in life.
@@Myp0tt3ry So anything that comes naturally is not a sin? Also “everyone on TH-cam” is correct. If you don’t truly believe in your heart the Lord Jesus and confess with your mouth that God has raised Him from the dead, you will end up in an eternal lake of fire. I would suggest that you read John and Romans, if nothing else than to understand that the phrase “your weird fantasy club” is not a very accurate description.
Why spread misinformation? he loves everyone but hates sin(not right actions) I can understand where you can see it though but free will does not always mean right choices someone will always have the ability to steal and someone may if there is always that amount of free will Heaven is place where your not a bland person you still have personality but you just don’t do bad things.
@@Dai9754 Jesus wasn't a nice guy. He didn't just "love everybody for who they are". He called people out, he was a rebel, he rejected mainstream culture and wasn't afraid to speak out for truth, even amongst the hate of many around him. If we really love someone who we know is doing something wrong or hurtful to themselves or others, simply sitting back and enabling their behavior so as not to hurt their feelings or make ourselves look like a jerk, is not real love. That is just being "nice". Jesus wasn't "nice". He was good and just. We ALL struggle with sin and temptations. That doesn't make you bad, but it just means we need to call on God to help us to do better. 1 Corinthians chapter 6.
The Bible is a collection of letters, essays, poems, stories, etc. that were written by people at a different time in humanity. The Bible was influenced a lot by the politics, beliefs, and prejudices of that time. That's why we see things like that verse. The Bible contains a lot of good, but we also need to be aware of the bad and try to focus on the good in the Bible🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏 God loves everyone
@mrtesttube1336it's a sin as it said it was not God's intention for 1 billion LGBTQ ppl to be sinning this much even saysCorinthians 6:11 says, of such of some of but you were washed sanctified or justified
It says don't. Jesus specifically called us to love all people, including and ESPECIALLY our enemies. Anyone who starts attacking other people and ridiculing them 'in Jesus name' is directly defying the Person they're claiming to serve.
Evidently he didn't read the three sins God said you can never ever be forgiven of and that is blaspheming the Holy Ghost sleeping with a animal and a homosexual
Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
Love is not a sin, scripture is explicit about that. There are millions of Queer Christians, and most American Christians are supportive of Queer rights.
@@LS_Johngay members when ever anybody tell truth to them even with most respectful and lovely voice they will tell he is hater who is trying to discriminate them. Crazy person is not aware of his problems unfortenetely... but God is one
Glad you came across this nessage.Don't listen to words of confused men in this comment section. Pray to God and read the Bible, seek god's word and God will help you. God loves you.
When in times of confusion, don't give yourself to religion right away. As magical and healing as it can be, it is also predatory. Make research, consider your feelings. Don't try to out labels on yourself, just know what you are and how you feel. Religion hides away parts of us we should at least know about, even if we choose to deny them.
Please quit comparing homosexuality to Sodom and Gomorrah. Sodom and Gomorrah was not a display of love, it was rape! So please quit comparing the two because they are completely different. Also, just remember that the scriptures were originally written in Greek and Hebrew and translated into English. There are some words, phrases, and concepts That cannot be perfectly translated into English. So let’s look deeper before we take our king James version literally.
when i was a kid i was very confused if rainbows were bad or good because it was GODs promise but it was a flag too but now I know that rainbows are great from the Bible
This video is a disgrace. People have known since the 80s that every one of your points is incorrect, so why do you ignore those voices, or swamp them out with this sort of harmful rhetoric?
For the money babe. Religion is big business. Many pastors preaching in mega churches in the U.S are whitin a few years multimillionares. They all are wolves in sheep clothes. Pastor vlad is already millionair.
What point or points are incorrect in this video? I’m not sure about you, but I’ve read multiple scriptures about homosexuality, even though the Bible doesn’t specifically mention homosexuality, it talks about it. Every point in this video is right. Homosexuality is a sin just like every other sin, making gay people sinners just like everyone else.
@@user-yk7jq3wo7o The Bible refers to a few specific instances of males lying with males. None of them, however, describe being gay. It'd be like taking references to sin involving males with females and then calling being straight a sin. Being gay or straight are harmless natural variations over which people have no control. They're a capacity for an intimate loving relationship with another human being. Neither can be classified as "sin", that's a pretty dumb category error. It's like classifying a rock as "sin". NOTHING in this video is correct. Every statement is WRONG and HARMFUL. The incalculable harm caused by its ideology particularly to gay children of Christian parents has been extensively documented. Families have been torn apart, children have suffered anguish, illness and death as a direct result. This proves how wrong he is.
I am not gay and I am straight just the way God wanted it, being gay is not how God created us Adam married a women but Adam did not marry another man we should follow that God did not want us to be gay but if we turn to God he can cleanse and wash us
How tf do you know what God intended? Being gay seems pretty common, and has been common throughout history, and considering it doesn't mention being gay at all in the bible, it's pretty safe to say God intended it.
Common affirming arguments *Argument 1:* In Leviticus 18, The Lord said to Moses, “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. The context of the chapter is God giving the Israelites a series of commands to not engage in the practices and customs of surrounding pagan nations. The argument is that these aren’t universal moral laws, but laws specific to the religious context of the ancient Israelite people. In Leviticus 20, the prohibition against homosexuality is repeated in V 13 and is given for the Israelites *as well as* to the foreigners living in Israel. 20 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Give the people of Israel these instructions, which apply both to native Israelites and to the foreigners living in Israel. Furthermore, 2 Timothy 3:16 states: 16 *All* Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. *Argument 2:* In Hebrew, Leviticus 18:22 says: ואת־זכר לא תשכב משכבי אשה תעובה הִוא wĕʾet-zākār lōʾ tiškab miškĕbê (miškĕvê) tôʿēbâ hiw A literal translation is: ‘With (a) male you shall not lie (the) lyings (or beds) of a woman. (An) abomination (tôʿēbâ) is that.’ [1: p231][5] The Septugint (Greek) reads thus: καὶ μετὰ ἄρσενος οὐ κοιμηθήσῃ κοίτην γυναικός, βδέλυγμα γάρ ἐστιν. The NRSV translation says: ‘You shall not lie with a male as with a woman, it is an abomination.’ In Hebrew, Leviticus 20:13 says: ואיש אשר ישכב את־זכר משכבי אשה תעובה עשו שניהם מות יומתו דמיהם בם wĕʾîš ʾăšer yiškab ʾet-zākār miškĕbê (miškĕvê) tôʿēbâ ʿāśû šĕnêhem môt yûmātû dĕmêhem bām The Septuagint (Greek) reads thus: καὶ ὃς ἂν κοιμηθῇ μετὰ ἄρσενος κοίτην γυναικός, βδέλυγμα ἐποίησαν ἀμφότεροι, θανατούσθωσαν, ἔνοχοί εἰσιν English (NRSV): If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. People argue that the prohibition of male intercourse with other men found in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 is not grounded in violating the natural complementarity God created between men and women. Instead, such actions “degraded” men by treating them in a way that only women should be treated. Some even cite Philo, Plutarch, and Clement of Alexandria as evidence that ancient people were more concerned about sex lowering a man’s status to the inferior one held by women then with sexual complementarity, an attitude they call “deeply misogynistic”. People also argue that if Leviticus were about sexual complementarity then why doesn’t it condemn female-female sexual relations? They conclude that since we no longer endorse such “patriarchy,” male intercourse can be seen as the loving exchange of equals and not as the degradation of a man to the status of a woman. But I believe these people have missed the point due to a modern sense of political correctness. For example, saying an adult is being childish does not mean children are bad, sub-human, or detestable. It doesn’t even mean children have less worth than adults. It just means adults are not children and so they shouldn’t act like children. Likewise, ancient writers calling men in the passive role of anal intercourse “effeminate” or “man-women” does not mean women are bad and therefore men shouldn’t be brought down to their level. It just means men aren’t women and so they should not be treated like women by being sexually penetrated. Regarding the lack of female-female sexual prohibitions in Leviticus 18, this does not prove the text is not about sexual complementarity. That’s because *all* the prohibitions in Leviticus 18 were written for a male audience. For example, even though women were not explicitly prohibited from engaging in incest, the fact that men were prohibited means the same rules applied to women. The same assumption can be made for male-male and female-female sexual relations. Also, The idea that the condemned same-sex activity is linked to economic exploitation or abuse is a forced reading with no textual basis. *Argument 3:* For some people, The “patriarchy argument” continues in their treatment of Romans 1:26-27, which is perhaps the most explicit condemnation of same-sex behavior in the Bible. Here Paul speaks of idolaters and how God, “ . . . gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.” Some claim that the “unnatural” intercourse in this passage involved men taking the woman’s passive role in sex and women taking the man’s active role. It had everything to do with ancient patriarchy and nothing to do with either the anatomy of men and women or the body’s natural purpose. But this totally misses the point of the “exchange repetition” in Romans 1. Prior to Romans 1:26 Paul says that Creation shows there’s one true God and the idolaters have no excuse not to worship him (Romans 1:20). But their minds were “darkened” and they *exchanged* the proper end of their worship, or God, for an improper end, or idols (verses 21-23). Next, their bodies were “defiled” and they *exchanged* the proper object of their belief, or “the truth about God,” for “a lie.” This could only happen because they suppressed knowledge of God that becomes obvious when we think about creation. Finally, their passions were “degraded” and women *exchanged* the natural object of their sexual desires, or men, for women and men did likewise. What all of these exchanges have in common is not failing to adhere to society’s moral norms, but failing to adhere to the natural order seen in creation itself - whether it’s worship of the creator or sexual relations with the natural partner. Paul even uses the Greek words for “male” and “female” instead of the Greek words for “men” and “women” to no doubt harken back to the creation account in Genesis 1 which describes how God made humans “male and female.” These people's treatment of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 focuses on the Greek words malakoi and arsenokoitai (the latter of which also appears in plural form in 1 Timothy 1:10), whom Paul says will not inherit the Kingdom of God. People argue that these words do not refer to monogamous same-sex relationships or “homosexuals” as some modern translations render the words. Instead, malakoi is ambiguous and could just mean “weak” or “soft” while arsenokoitai refers to some kind of sexual exploitation or pederasty (sex with post-pubescent children). But if that’s the case then why doesn’t Paul just use the Greek word for pederasty (or paiderastes)? Keep in mind that before he condemns the malakoi and arsenokoitai for their persistence in sin, Paul condemns idolaters and adulterers and then he condemns thieves and greedy people. Adultery and idolatry are often associated in the Bible and thievery and greed certainly go together. This makes it likely that arsenokoitai goes hand-in-hand with malakoi. The fact that arsenokoitai matches the Greek words in the Septuagint’s translation of Leviticus 20:13 is unmistakable. The word breaks down to “arseno” (or “male”) and koite (or “bed”) and literally means “man-bedder.” Paul is saying that at one point some Corinthians practiced the active and passive roles in same-sex behavior but, as verse 11 says, “this is what some of you *used to be.* But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.” Just because certain people once engaged in same-sex behavior that is no barrier to them being sanctified by the grace of God. God loves them and us and wants everyone to understand their true identities not as being “gay” or “straight,” but as being sons and daughters of the Most High. Finally, when interpreting these passages it’s important to have the Bible’s whole context in mind and that’s why the affirmation of male-female sexual pairing in both Genesis 2 and Matthew 19 cannot be ignored. The Bible never portrays same-sex relationships in a positive light but it does portray opposite sex relationships in that way. People's answer to this is to say that the description of man and woman coming together as “one flesh” relates to a very close emotional union and not to anything intrinsic to men and women. But this misses the point that when men and women have vaginal intercourse their body parts work together as an organically ordered whole to accomplish a purpose that cannot be achieved if the two were separate - the creation of new human life. The two retain their identities just as a patient who receives a heart transplant retains his unique DNA, but in both cases two sets of DNA become one in function. No other merging of body parts can accomplish this organically ordered “one flesh” union.
No one should change to believe in Christ. In fact, whether you’re gay or a pedophile or a murderer, or a liar, or a fornicator or whatever, we come to the cross, broken and contrite over our sin, and in that process, Christ cleans us up. It is the blessed man who’s sins are covered but remember what first John says, those born from above do not continue practicing sin so clearly a cleaning up happens when one becomes regenerate. The cost of following Christ is great, but what you gain in return is greater. Our life on earth is short compared to eternity. Striving through a few decades to follow, Christ is a pale comparison to the reward of eternity. Trust Christ. Struggle. And TRUST.
Jesus sat with sinners, but he didn't tell them, "You are perfect as you are, God loves everybody, don't beat yourself up." No, he rebuked them, called them out, offered help and solutions, he taught them about a God who loves them and wants what is best for them, and he challenged them to go and live in a way that was good and right. Jesus wasn't nice, he was good. Nice people don't want to offend others or hurt anyone's feelings, so they may brush over things or take a weak stance on things rather than speaking up, for fear of offending someone or making themselves look like a "mean" person. Good people may have to call someone out or stand up for what is true or right, and it may not seem very nice to the person they are calling out, and others may not think highly of them. But that is how Jesus loves us. A lot of people didn't like Jesus and were offended by him. Sometimes we need a little kick in the pants to keep us on the right path, and I'm so glad Jesus wasn't afraid to stand up and speak out for me, even if It might hurt my feelings or make me upset with Him.
@@BigmookVlogs This is why a lot of people don't like Christians because they force people into things they don't like, We all know that the Bible is a real book but that doesn’t mean anything it’s just a book like every other non-fiction book
The problem is the Bible has been rewritten over 700 times, so when you compare today’s morals to something that has been written years ago there will be people who believe it’s a sin, and there will be people who do not agree that homosexuality is a sin. As long as you have good morals and are a good person, like whoever you like, no matter what the gender is.
Yeah umm no, it's never been rewritten but its been translated and we know nothings changed, and no morals doesn't save u Christ does, baing gay isn't a sin but acting on it is.
@@osasaimiyekagbon4108But it's natural for us to act on our sexual needs so why is it ok for men and women to want each other but not if they prefer the same sex? It's literally the same thing just with a different desire in partner
We all sin and every verse has tried to have the same meaning as the previous. Nobody is a "good person" we al sin, and yes god does forgive us but he had to die! For Us! We did that. You cannot be a good person
@@ritabezuidenhout9359 You 100% sure about that? Yeah good and evil are subjective things but you can't just say that good people don't exist because they do. Not everyone is going to be a good person all of the time but my point still stands!
@@gachabratz_trollchannel2955 like, I’m not Christian but the Bible has some amazing values. It’s sad to see how the Bible has this take about something that doesn’t change your character.
To anyone reading the replies lust and love are two different things love is a connection with them deep inside you like you want to know them and have a relationship with them lust is a type of attraction where you feel attracted to how they look not who they are or thinking about how they would feel about you in any way I feel like all Christian’s should realize if people want be homosexuals just let them be we don’t have to support it but we can still respect and love those people.People who hate on you for doing it are not doing the right thing. And to those saying love is love God loves us all and stuff like that read the Bible(KJV is the original) It will show that things aren’t what you think they are in that statement that Love is Love.May you all find peace in Christ and Love another.May the Lord return soon and Bless all of you❤️.
yeah nothin wrong with that some ppl just use the bible to push out minorities from a religioun about love and peace. end of the day it's your decision whether that's something that's wrong in your view
@@bri2breezy yes. He said it indirectly. Cause if u read leviticus 20:13 it says that man cannot have sex with another man. So sexual relationship is only meant for opposite sex
@@Peanutter123 God did make you that way but you still have to repent of your sins and be born again. Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
@@Doveeeyyy Children are not necessarily, Jesus had no spouse or children, neither did Paul. Paul specifically discouraged marriage. So whatever value you’ve placed on heterosexuality, I would be curious where it comes from.
the soley cause of humanity is not reproduction,do u understand that??If god actually thought being homo was a crime why did he create homo and bi animals???I don't think u hve to repent for being who you are,at this point u have a lot of homophobia,u can't force urself to be staright if you're not.@@Doveeeyyy
Do children are born either male or female, And Jesus he did not have a spouse or children because God sent him on earth to try to save us from our sins, And Paul does not discourage marriage he recommend that each woman should have a husband and man should have a wife, and also the Bible has no errors true it does have different authors, but they’re all followers of Jesus and they write whatever God tells them the write, To help us Understand what it is to be a Christian And how to please God Are you sure you’re reading the scriptures cause the way how you’re explaining some stuff in your Comments sounds like science rather than the word of God
"you're supposed to love your neighbour as yourself" Christians do love people! Infact it is a direct command given to us by our Lord in John 13:34-35 where He said "So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. 35 Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.” *The difference,* however, is that Christians do not define love according to culture. We define love by the Word of God, which tells us what love is in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Does this mean we are to be kind to the rainbow nation? To be patient with them? *Yes* absolutely! We are to be *all* those things to *everyone,* regardless of their chosen lifestyle or what they choose to identify as. But also, take note of v. 6 "Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth" God is Holy and sin seperates us from Him as we are told in Isaiah 59:1-2 Warnings against Sin 59 Listen! The Lord’s arm is not too weak to save you, nor is his ear too deaf to hear you call. 2 It’s your sins that have cut you off from God. Because of your sins, he has turned away and will not listen anymore. If we are to "rejoyce with the truth" then how can we love, affirm or celebrate *anything* that separates us from the one who gave His very life so that He could have a relationship with us?
I'm gay, I believe in God, I help others whenever I can, I'm not promiscuous and I don't let my sexual orientation define who I am. I believe homosexuality IS A SIN but I have grown to accept that I WILL BE JUDGED when he calls for me and I fully take responsibility of my sins. Yes it is a struggle, that's why I sit towards the back at church, but I know it'll be a life long struggle as well as a afterlife long struggle. The kingdom of God is not a gated community folks and its not some prize someone can win but I believe it's a community of souls and that's what he'll judge on the day he calls for us. All in all just because someone calls themselves a Christian or preaches the Bible doesn't mean they are without sin, I just ask that instead of shunning or judging a homosexual sinner you understand their heart at the very least. Love & God bless.
No one should change to believe in Christ. In fact, whether you’re gay or a pedophile or a murderer, or a liar, or a fornicator or whatever, we come to the cross, broken and contrite over our sin, and in that process, Christ cleans us up. It is the blessed man who’s sins are covered but remember what first John says, those born from above do not continue practicing sin so clearly a cleaning up happens when one becomes regenerate. Change of mind and heart is first. Working changes over time.
@@Grokford but you will be because like anger, like deception, like murder, homosexuality is a sin. When we christians come on here and call that out it is not because we wish to stir trouble but because God is perfect love and he sends us to you to reach you. True christian love is reaching you to true salvation. Christ doesn’t require that you come to the cross clean. He Only requires understanding that you know you are in sin. After he saves you HE cleans you up. Choose redemption. True love is Gods truth.
@@Grokford many people like to murder, rape, deceive, Rob, steal and destroy. Under your logic they should all be OK but,…there’s not really any kind of comparative separation for homosexuality that separates itself adequately other than self preference and your argument doesn’t really separate you from the murderer beyond preference
"Homosexuality as an *orientation* is not addressed in scripture" Firstly. The Bible tells us in Matthew 15:19 that it begins in our hearts and minds. Before we commit an act of sin, we will think about it. All sin starts in the mind. Then terms: "vile affections", "burned in their lust", "working", "natural use", etc. are used in Romans 1:24-27 (KJV), & clearly involve both mental and physical homosexuality.
In the verse Leviticus 18:22, where he said a man should never sleep with a man was a mistranslation from the rsv bible. Many other versions from different cultures stated the verse differently. They said “man should not sleep with a young boys.” They never said being gay was bad just being a p$do.
@@Kayleah988 you’re just wrong in the original Hebrew use the word man and male there was no mistranslation, and I could bring up a bunch of other verses that condone it
@@NathanBlackmen give me a specific verse, I’m completely fine to change but I won’t do it without some proof, so you can give me a source, a website, anything like that and I will fact check it myself and make a decision for myself.
why does he not love me for the way i was born and something i csnt change, he was the one in charge of how i was born so why is he going to make me burn in hell for it
@@user-jz4mo6kf8h Genesis 1:27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. and Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Yes, many parts. And "homosexual" is a blatant (and malicious) mistranslation. The Greco-roman world, much less the Bronze and Iron Ages, had no concept of homosexuality as an orientation.
I’m Christian too but I just don’t like how they push it in to our lives and normalize it for us. I’m not comfortable with that and I don’t support it either and I know there’s no way everything will go back to normal but I don’t like it when they put it into EVERYTHING I watch or see. But thank you for spreading the truth!
But I feel like they’re trying to normalise it, because there’s a lot of stigma towards it, and from what I’ve been seeing most people were pushing it. Are corporations were trying to kiss ass to them
I do wanna say something, I did had a friend who is gay but … he changed when his parents brought him to church during at night tho… it’s weird, when he was blessed and such idk what was it he said exactly but he said he did felt strange like he somehow turn to woman and he did met his soulmate which she looks like somewhat like marzia mixed with Ariana grande they did got to know each other and end up in a very happy relationship, so he did took out all his gag posters in his room and make it only about him and his gf and yet for the first time ever he can act like a normal boy doing stuff with his girl~
How should Christians and the church treat the rainbow nation? Written By Jemima*, Singapore “Yes, but how long should we tolerate what they say and do?” At the word, “they”, I felt a huge gulf open between me and the world around me. Everything shrank into “us” and “them,” and I had never felt so alone. *** I am a member of a local church in Singapore. I profess faith in God, and I believe in the resurrected Christ and His redemptive power that can save us from our sins. I believe in grace that is freely given and salvation received only through faith, not from works done by our hands, but by the work that was completed by Jesus Christ on the cross. I am also same-sex attracted (SSA), and I want to share my experience in the hope that it may help Christians understand other believers like myself a little better. When the question above was asked, I was at a seminar about Christianity and LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender). As the speaker moved on to talk about the experience of SSA Christians in the church, I started to notice an older couple asking many questions. They were both involved in the hospitality team at church, and it seemed like they had more than once felt uncomfortable talking to SSA people. The questions started out innocuous. “How can I speak to them?” and “What should I do if someone tells me about being same-sex attracted?” seemed like good, constructive questions. Then we started to move into territory that made me feel more and more uncomfortable. “I understand that we should be accepting them, but shouldn’t we be praying for them to change?” “What do I do if a same-sex attracted person tries to start a relationship with me?” And finally . . . “Yes, but how long should we tolerate what they say and do?” The speaker was silent for a long moment. When he spoke, his words were heavy, and I could hear my pain mirrored in his voice. “For as long as you would tolerate [that every Christian should struggle against] any other sin, like lust, jealousy, or coveting. Even lying and anger,” he said quietly. “And we do not just tolerate [believers who are same-sex attracted], we accept them as Christians and children of God first. Same-sex attraction is not the first thing that needs to be addressed when someone steps into church. Rather, it is the heart that needs Christ that must first be addressed.”
Because people care about you and they are begging you to change your ways and stop being homosexual because we know that it is wrong because we have read the book and we know that book is the truth because not only did the most iconic scientists and physicist believe in it like Isaac Newton and Galileo Galilei a True God created that book and you know why that God is true its because a man named Jesus claimed to be God if he died and rose again and he did that as HE SAID.
@@user-mz4eu6ln4e I actually am shocked by your devotion. But... you do know that your bible is tampered with right? It's manipulated to benefit the powerful people by tricking religious people into what they want. They hate us. Now all of you do too since "god" does allegedly. But that bible is no purity. It has been altered significantly by the powerful people.
To those telling homosexuals that if God is loving they don't have to change, God loves all but to enter the kingdom of heaven you need to deny yourself
that makes the religion your selling look like a total scam. you say your god is good, but your god also demands conversion therapy from anyone who wasn’t born straight? no one good would ever make being lgbt a sin. they wouldn’t make acting on it a sin either. there’s nothing wrong with it
@@SILVSOUL Homosexuality of any type is not condemned in the Bible, but lesbeans are never even mentioned. People just don't like gay things so they use the thinnest of pretenses to stretch the condemnation across everything they don't like. The Bible never mentions trans people but that doesn't stop Christians from being transphobic. Queer Christians and Queer allies have been trying to make progress in the church but it's an uphill battle, as you can see.
God doesn’t make mistakes, so no, homosexuality is not a sin. God made you and he loves you the way you are. He didn’t make a mistake in making you. Use simple logic.
It is not that simple. God didn't make a mistake. Satan corrupts God's creation and they need to be saved from homosexuality. You're delibrately contradicting and twisting direct bible verse against homosexuality, don't add your words to bible cause god won't let that go. Where as if the homosexuals reach Jesus they will be saved from their sin.
@@royobanon831 So god makes all humans heterosexual and satan just magically makes them homosexual and that makes it wrong to be gay? That doesn’t seem fair for them, does it? Also, it can’t possibly be a sin if you weren’t the one who committed the sin. If satan made you homosexual, he did it against your will, so YOU aren’t the sinner
@@zapify6999 First of all if you had the least of common sense you would know that there is a reason for males and females being sexual counterparts. It is God's will and he showed it by creating humans as Adam and Eve not 2 adams or 2 eves. God clearly says it is sin then who are we to defy it. Secondly, satan doesn't sin for you and that is a lie he wants you to believe. Even I had the same doubt before. His work ends with temptation. Take any sin for that matter, he won't be the one doing the sinful act, it is our decision to do it or not give into it and also know that no one can overcome his/her sin on their own, you need god's help. Jesus is always ready to help you if you give your life to him. In the end satan will get his judgement for tempting people into sin but you don't be the one joining him for trusting his lies.
God made no mistake making you. Humans make a mistake sinning against him. Because of that, the world is broken, and people kept sinning, as it was now in their nature, and now we are here. It’s a standoff, a big standoff where no one wins.
So lets say that there is a man. He is a good person. He cares deeply for others and regularily donates to the homeless. He helps others in need and loves his family. But he is attracted to the same gender. He just prefers guys over girls. And dose this single fact, that he likes something different make him an awefull being? Even if he is not hurting any othet person, and is good twoards the people around him, he is still bad and wrong just because he has a different world view. Wow.
Basic decency if a great thing to bring up. (I’m not being sarcastic, just saying because you can’t hear my tone through text.) But that’s not what gets you to Heaven. One very important thing to note is that yes, you should still do good things and strive to be a good person, that’s letting God shine through you and you showing you follow him, but that isn’t what gets you to Heaven in the end. You have to BELIVE IN HIM.
Love is not a sin, that is contradictory to the faith. Though it's also worth mentioning that another fundamental aspect of the faith is the fact that no one is good enough, all have sinned so the scripture goes. It's just that gender is not one of those sins.
@@icegang3253 The bible was translated into English in the 1940s-1950s at that time some countries started legalizing homosexuality and the people how translated the bible were homophobic and they added stuff to the bible that was never in the original text to make people not accept gay people. For example the only time the original bible mentioned homosexuality it said that a man should not lay with a much younger boy but they translated it to a man should not lay with another man and they added a lot of homophobic stuff to a lot of verses of the Bible that never existed. Thanks for asking
@hackertiger8527proof there is more than one verse about it and what makes you so sure never once in the bible has god said anything positive about same-sex love it's always been man and woman in relationships. Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
According to bible, we must love everyone(even LGBTQ) but according to GALATIANS:6:1-3 we must help them to repent. Homosexuality will be punished(JUDE:1:7) And according to GALATIANS:6:3 They are deceiving themselves. Everyone should understand that LOVING≠SUPPORTING ENCOURAGING=SUPPORTING
Galatians 5:22-23 says that Love is a fruit of the spirit "...against such things there is no law." And that is an incorrect use of "unnatural". Romans 1 does not make any moral claims with the term "natural" in fact it's rather closer to the word instinctual or physical. You're not helping anyone but yourself.
@@allandinakaran As I said, your argument that homosexuality is “unnatural” is out of alignment with the actual semantic range of the Greek term used and scripture explicitly states that Love is a fruit of the spirit, practically the opposite of a sin.
@@Grokford Love is fruit of Spirit, yes that is true. That is just one part of an entire story. Homosexuality is not love, that is unnatural, if you had least common sense you would know why god created two different genders as counterparts and why homosexual is unnatural.
What if gays were out here to test your faith? Can you love someone who is diffrent than you? Long as they are grown adults love is love how could you hate and call that gods word???? That’s the devil whispering in your ear . Not god!! Amen.
Used to be "bi" but as i explored the concept of male on male sex more i got absolutely repulsed. Coincidentally, that was around the time God and Christ revealed themselves to me, and i became more Christian. I am happy now. Dodged a bullet.
Human beings didn’t create anything. We didn’t create any form of desires lusts or affections. We didn’t create evil or any sinful nature. We honestly need to pump the brakes and read (Isaiah 45:7) What kind of creator would create these levels of principalities and cannot control it? 🤔 If you believe this you are making our creator out to be very weak. Christians pride themselves on believing and declaring that God is in control but don’t want to accept what God created. We didn’t create none of this. The word clearly says all things were made by him and by him all things consist. (Colossians 1:16-20) All things were created for his glory. Both things of the spirit and flesh are under his subjection. God will indeed complete the good work started in all mankind. We need to stop being critical and trust the hand of God. The only difference between us and the world is the creator didn’t allow some of their struggles to be ours. You could have easily been given the struggle of homosexuality or molestation. However the creator saw fit to give you the battle of pride and pornography. Be careful who you put your mouth on. It baffles me seeing imperfect people feel they have the capacity to manage something out of their element. You really think an omnipotent all powerful creator needs you to manage something he created in his own image? We were given the opportunity in the beginning to manage the surrounding creation and failed.😒😒😒🙄🙄🙄 Let God be God and you remain human.
Uh. We made phones. Preeety sure if we can create AI, millions of new food dishes, advanced technology, buildings, skyscrapers, time machines- Wait, we haven’t gotten there yet- iPads, virtual reality, holograms. I think we can create our own concepts. Does Genesis say anything about making the XBox? Did the first phone appear from thin air because God decided it should? No. We took what God made and used it to make new things. Which can go right, or it can go wrong. In technology it usually goes right. In sexuality, it usually goes wrong, because God only intended one option.
hey! i’m not a christian, but i respect your beliefs in all of their entirety as long as you respect mine. i would like to have a normal, level headed conversation about where in the bible it says this. Most of the excerpts that I have heard of were updated and written in 1946, not when the rest of the bible was created. If there are any other excerpts I should know about I would love to hear about them.
The amount of respect I have for this man is incredible, because usually I don’t have that much for non-Christians, but he just stated his opinions, made sure no one was offended, and dipped. This whole debate could really use more people with the same respect you have. I hope you keep looking at it from both standpoints and begin to understand it more. Even if it means anything to you, just know it means something to me: I’ll be praying for you. If you don’t believe that works, just take it as a compliment, I guess-
@@Sketchy_Glitch So your standard for good behavior is someone who's afraid of what you'll do to them. That's such a damning admission, you don't want to change people, you want them to be subservient to your ideals.
Accept Jesus, repent of your sins and ask for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Do not live in the flesh as you change and rebuke the thoughts and accusations of satan and his demons (temptations). I'm wasn't homosexual however since accepting Jesus I haven't partaken in pornography or masturbation for over 9 months. which before I couldn't go a single day without. "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." Philippians 4:13
"david and Jonathan were lovers" We know from 1 Samuel 18:1 that Jonathan loved David. Second Samuel 1:26 records David’s lament after Jonathan’s death, in which he said that his love for Jonathan was more wonderful than the love of a woman. Some use these two passages to suggest a homosexual relationship between David and Jonathan. This interpretation, however, should be rejected for at least three reasons. First, the Hebrew word for “love” used here covers a broad range of meanings and does not mean “romantic” or “sexual” love unless the context demands it. Forms of the same word are used for loving God (Exodus 20:6), loving one’s neighbor as oneself (Leviticus 19:18), treating foreigners well (Leviticus 19:34), sharing friendship (Job 19:19), having diplomatic ties (1 Kings 5:1), taking pleasure in the work of a subordinate (1 Samuel 16:21), and even “loving” inanimate things (Proverbs 21:17). Second, David’s comparison of his relationship with Jonathan with that of women is probably a reference to his experience with King Saul’s daughters. He was promised one of Saul’s daughters for killing Goliath. The first daughter was abruptly given to another man. The second daughter was promised, but Saul continued to add conditions to the deal, hoping to see David killed in battle (1 Samuel 18:17, 25). The loyalty and camaraderie David had with Jonathan came with no conditions and was of greater value than the companionship of Saul’s daughter. Third, the Bible clearly and consistently denounces homosexuality (Genesis 1:26-27; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:18-25). Extolling a homosexual love between David and Jonathan would be contradicting the prohibitions of it found throughout the Bible. The friendship between David and Jonathan was a covenantal relationship. In 1 Samuel 18:1-5, we read of David and Jonathan forming an agreement. In this agreement, Jonathan was to be second in command in David’s future reign, and David was to protect Jonathan’s family (1 Samuel 20:16-17, 42; 23:16-18). Obviously, these two men were also very good friends. In their relationship we can see at least three qualities of true friendship. First, they sacrificed for one another. In 1 Samuel 18:4, we read that Jonathan gave David his clothes and military garb. The significance of this gift was that Jonathan recognized that David would one day be king of Israel. Rather than being envious or jealous, Jonathan submitted to God’s will and sacrificed his own right to the throne. Second, in 1 Samuel 19:1-3, we read of Jonathan’s loyalty toward and defense of David. King Saul told his followers to kill David. Jonathan rebuked his father and recalled David’s faithfulness to him in killing Goliath. Finally, Jonathan and David were also free to express their emotions with one another. In 1 Samuel 20, we read of a plan concocted by Jonathan to reveal his father’s plans toward David. Jonathan was going to practice his archery. If he told his servant that the arrows he shot were to the side of the target, David was safe. If Jonathan told his servant that the arrows were beyond the target, David was to leave and not return. Jonathan told the servant that the arrows were beyond the target, meaning that David should flee. After releasing his servant, Jonathan found David and the two men cried together. Rather than being evidence for a homosexual relationship in the Bible, the account of David and Jonathan is an example of true biblical friendship. True friendship, according to the Bible, involves loyalty, sacrifice, compromise, and yes, emotional attachment. That is what we should learn from David and Jonathan. The idea that David and Jonathan were practicing homosexuals (or bisexuals) has no biblical basis
I doubt it. thats it. Im gay because I am attracted to other men - and I assume that every other person - has attractions to one sex, the other, or both - thats what sexuality is. You can blame the creation of society, for sexuality - because domesticated animals have also presented same sex attractions - as well as zoo animals on occasion - because at the root of it - we no longer need - as a species - to simply hunt, and forage - like we used to - at least, according to science we used to - society has allowed our lifespans to increase - and our freedoms increase - we have passions, and hobbies, and jobs - and attraction - that everyone follows - no one chooses others simply out of necessity - you dont just look at a random person - and say "hey god, ill just be with this person, to continue the species' - you find someone youre attracted to - and you date them - those are the steps. Not to mention - if sexuality is a sin like any other - than... why dont we see every person struggle with it? we dont - you see most people being straight - and a small number of us being gay or lesbian - with every other sin - anyone is able to do it - anyone on the planet can be greedy - or lustful in one-night stands - or steal - or lie - no straight man can love someone of the same sex - the way I, as a gay guy - can - which makes me different than him. someone who is poor - getting a raise - easing the burden of stress off their shoulders - is not greedy - greed is the rich man - stealing more from his employees - so he can buy his 10th car - its the individual action - that creates the sin. Me trying to be with someone I have no attraction for - would be a sin - thats the opposite sex for me - and the same sex - for a straight guy. right? And all those stories you hear, from the occasional 'saved gay' - is untrue - bi-sexuals exist, and those are people who like both sexes - and anyone could ignore someone, and think about something else - to stop caring about anyone, or whatever. no straight person has ever truly become gay - no gay person ever can change their attractions, thats kinda how it works. The one thing that ive seen - was a crazed, deluded 'trans' person - who mutilated their body, and went on hormones, didn't like it - and they went back and forth on different hormones - and saw their sexuality change depending on the hormone they were on - which could prove that hormone levels, and fluctuations - could 'create' in some ways - sexuality - but that's also how inter-sex people end up getting born - who have chromosomal, and hormonal imbalances from birth as well - which also cant be changed - so either we exist, or we dont huh.
not following the right one - ancient hebrew bible didnt mention homosexuality anywhere - it was a translator later, who added it, so yeah. the bible aint half bad - its people like this, who dont see us right here, knowing we're here, and gay, and not at odds with the bible at all. @@DrowningForward
I practiced homosexuality, however, I'm living with my partner and I no longer engage in sexual practices. I've turned to Jesus and hope my partner will also. Now I want to find a church for fellowship, but many I have written will not address this issue. Any suggestions?
@@Sketchy_Glitch The Bible never mentions Queer relationships, or anything other than sex between men. The distinction should be obvious but in practice it's not, which is how we can tell that it's not actually about what the Bible says.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but your celibacy isn't likely to make much difference. Anti-gay Christians are against everything Queer regardless. The Bible never mentions trans people or lesbians, but the church condemns and condemns them anyways. I have no qualms about saying that I don't think that there's anything immoral about gay sex, male or female, though of course female homoeroticism is never mentioned in scripture. Another thing that's not in scripture is the idea that you shouldn't have pre-marital sex, that's in the Bible anywhere, people made it up. But I can tell you from my own experience that people are generally not going to call you out or ask about your Queerness. In my current church I started attending with my roomate, and even though we're actually purely friends over the months I discovered that many people were fully convinced that we were a couple. There are other Queer people in the congregation including a trans woman, and no one's ever commented. And it would be very simple to deny if they did. So what if you live together, housing is expensive. But if you want to be out.. that would usually be pretty hit or miss, it could be simmering resentment, patronizing pity or outright hostility. Or it could be like my church, which despite having openly homophobic sentiment is usually never an issue because people disagree and no one wants to start a fight.
@@RavanoxYT Darling it's not about either of us. It's about the truth and how Queer people are treated in the church. There is no healing a gender orientation because there is no way for it to be broken. Just because you'd like people to go away that doesn't mean we will, nor does it mean your fantasies will survive contact with reality.
Incest is a sin, it does not say incest in of itself but what it does say is that sexual relations with your close bloodline is a sin, now also God wants us to be fruitful and multiply and a man to leave is family to be joined with a woman and create their own God bless you
... Were not being homophobic we are trying to let you guys away from the devil stop following the devil deny it and come with God hold your cross we all Muslims, arabacians, Christians will be waiting for u
What about those doing incest? Those eating their preys alive? The hypocamp male can get pregnant but a fish male no. A female dog have sex with multiple dogs does that mean my mum must have sex with multiple different dudes?
Animals won’t be judged by God on judgement day on how they lived their lives on earth. Human beings are a superior intellectual race who know right from wrong.
I hope you didn't mean that in the wrong sense. If you love homosexuals then help them come to Jesus and help them lead a life of God's will which is the 'True Love' .
love who you want, dont tell people otherwise its none of your buisness its theres, if in the end being homo is rpng then you succeeded with yourself, more space in heaven for you to do what you want. why help others find god, in that his word?
@@micahchoate6051 So you will push someone into some misery willfully and say that you spread love?? Why don't you people get this in your head, homosexuallity is not "Love". I'm not deciding who should love who, that is God's work. But unlike you I can't live with the guilt of not warning someone about the misery they are gonna face because of their wrong choices when I can.
Amazing grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me, I once was lost but now im found, I was blind but now i see. No, i said try if they say no thats their choice if god cares that much he will fix it your job is you, not someone else. Trust me i could go on all day if i wanted, i could open up atleast 2 more arguments too, but surely you dont want that. Sometimes the best thing you can do, is just walk away
@@micahchoate6051 Yeah you're right, I didn't get you at first, but now I understand and exactly that is the same thing I'm trying to do, but when I see people post wrong things in comment section I just wanna help.
Genesis 19:1-11 That evening the two angels came to the entrance of the city of Sodom. Lot was sitting there, and when he saw them, he stood up to meet them. Then he welcomed them and bowed with his face to the ground. "My lords," he said, "come to my home to wash your feet, and be my guests for the night. You may then get up early in the morning and be on your way again." "Oh no," they replied. "We'll just spend the night out here in the city square." But Lot insisted, so at last they went home with him. Lot prepared a feast for them, complete with fresh bread made without yeast, and they ate. But before they retired for the night, all the men of Sodom, young and old, came from all over the city and surrounded the house. They shouted to Lot, "Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!" So Lot stepped outside to talk to them, shutting the door behind him. "Please, my brothers," he begged, "don't do such a wicked thing. Look, I have two virgin daughters. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do with them as you wish. But please, leave these men alone, for they are my guests and are under my protection." "Stand back!" they shouted. "This fellow came to town as an outsider, and now he's acting like our judge! We'll treat you far worse than those other men!" And they lunged toward Lot to break down the door. But the two angels reached out, pulled Lot into the house, and bolted the door. Then they blinded all the men, young and old, who were at the door of the house, so they gave up trying to get inside.
LGBT+ PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE SHAMED OR REJECTED BECAUSE WERE ALL HUMANS REGARDLESS OF GENDER, RACE, SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR PAST. ANTI-BIGOT HERE, WE'RE ALL EQUAL, WE ARE ALL PEOPLE AND LGBT+ PEOPLE AREN'T ANY DIFFERENT. THOSE WHO HAS HATE IN THEIR HEARTS ARE FOREVER DAMNED TO HELL. "There is no fear in love and perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves the punishment of God. You will be perfect in love." 1 John 4:18 “Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.” 1 John 4:8
@@22finboy so you’re saying that if you let yourself, your tendency would be to have sex with your own sex but your faith keeps you from given into your desire for homosexual sex?
Ahhh, more reasons to completely ignore the bible entirely. If you can't prove the bible is actually the word of god, then why should i care about anything in the bible? And why would god create homosexuals if it was just going to punish them for the way it made them? It all seems like one group of people wrote a book that condemned all the things they didn't like and then just claimed it was the words of god.
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It’s so sad seeing so many people in the comments who have been told they must change to be accepted 😢
why i feel sorry for myself for being gay.😢
1. ppl were not born gay, its not their true self
2. its the homo actions that are a sin
3. the homosexual feelings are the temptation of the devil
No one should change to believe in Christ. In fact, whether you’re gay or a pedophile or a murderer, or a liar, or a fornicator or whatever, we come to the cross, broken and contrite over our sin, and in that process, Christ cleans us up.
It is the blessed man who’s sins are covered but remember what first John says, those born from above do not continue practicing sin so clearly a cleaning up happens when one becomes regenerate
U don't have to be this way anyone can be forgiven even if ur a murderer and if ur gay u can repent from it and it's not called being urself it's called not hearing god I'm sorry u feel this way but if u repent maybe you'll get better:(
@@myiesha5947 u will only be forgiven if you either dont know that ur sinning or you dont like the sins ur committing
I was a bisexual but now I've found light in God....I will achieve my destiny in Jesus name 🔥🔥🔥🔥
damn everyth good man??? at home?? spoke to your therapist recently??? needa vent???
@vinver_roach there is nothing wrong with him/her
Amen
@@vinver_roachwhat’s your problem?
Can you guys pray for me I’ve been struggling with my homosexuality as well I am female and the devil is making me think I like females as well,if anyone could pray for me it would be really appreciated!! 😊
Love is created by God. I try to always remember that when discussing this topic. Remember that everyone is loved. If you are queer in any capacity and trying to repent and get God to change your heart is causing you so much pain that you have thoughts of hurting yourself, please stop trying to get it to go away. God cares way more about your safety than who you love.
And what should you say to a person who happened to one day feel “naturally inclined” to go on a killing rampage, killing innocent kids inside of a school? Imagine saying that in court? “Your honor, I just felt the need to do it, therefore I just couldn’t resist not to.”
@mrtesttube1336 God doesn't make mistakes, but remember that made us with "free will" meaning we can do whatever we want, but there are consequences on what we do, just like being homosexual, here's a bible verse to contradict your statement, 1Corinthians 6:9-20 says:
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 12"Everything is permissible for me"-but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"-but I will not be mastered by anything. 13"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"-but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." 17But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. 18Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
Meaning HOMOSEXUALS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
@mrtesttube1336I can agree that God does in fact not make mistakes
But the second part of your statement seems to be a complete contradiction of Jesus and other figures in the new testament telling people to turn from their ways and to fight with yourself
I'd like to hear your thoughts tho on your statement further if you don't mind
That way we can reason together and understand each other's view points better
I dont think sexuality is a sin - truly - because sin is always individual - a straight person cant love a man - the same way I, as a gay guy -can - just like a poor person, getting a raise - isnt greedy - the rich man, taking more from his employees, to buy his 10th car - thats greed - its based on who you are, your actions - i think at least.
@@fazelok while I understand your logic and where your coming from, I cannot agree with that statement completely. Reason being that the stance on individual sins is centered about what you think is good and not. Individuals are based on their own sin by their intent and actions yes, but we need to understand that what our actions and intent are based off God's order not our own
"A straight person can't love a man the same way as a gay guy can" well that's assuming that the gay guy isn't sinning because he loves men as well. See Romans 1:29 for evidence.
I'd argue that homosexuality is a sin just as much lying or murdering, not in action but in principle.
No matter what kind of person you are if you lie it is technically, no matter what kind of person that you are murder is still wrong. No matter what kind of person you are, if God said loving the same Gender in a relationship way is wrong then it is wrong.
One last thing, it isn't just Homosexuality that is seen in the Bible to be a unnatural love. There's beastiality which is loving animals which is loving them in a lustful desire or unnaturally more than humans. Incest which should be straightforward for the most part. Adultery which is cheating in marriage with other people. And Lust to people that you're not in a relationship with. So in hindsight it's a lot more grand than just Homosexuality that's mentioned in the Bible, but it's all these things that were written to God's will not our own, what I mean is that our mortality is vaguely based off God's will (aka the law written in our hearts) but I think it's important to understand that we can't go off our morals just because we think it's ok. If we did then we be in contradiction way more with God than if we took the time to see what God says about the subject.
Have a good day stranger
As a faithful christian, I am not gay or bisexual. What I also am not is a person who judges others and hates other people, god does not want us to do such things, god wants us to love others. I find it disgusting that fellow christians can swear to be by god yet be so traitorous as to commit these “hate crimes”. (As they are labelled) No, being “LGBTQ+” is not supported by the bible ( I *think* ), yet ruthlessly insulting and belittling other humans is also (if not more) frowned upon. My fellow people in god, please do better, improve yourself, do not make them see us as hateful people, as that will only drag more people away from god.
Love is supported by the Bible, why should gender matter?
@@Grokford Because God didnt create men to be with men or women to be with women but men to be with women and women to be with men.
@@JesusIsKing882
That's a fun little opinion, but the Bible never says that and unless you have God on speed-dial I have no reason to believe you.
@@Grokford The bible says it
@@Grokfordsearch Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 30:13 on google buddie , proving that ur wrong🤦🏽♀️
But identifying yuurself as homosexual does not erase your identity with god and christ, does it? Your relationship with God will remain and it's unique to each persons life and i dont like seeing that erased
One does not simply “stop” being gay it’s how you were born it’s not like choosing to eat at McDonald’s or choosing a game to play and there are signs of homosexuality in animals and I doubt we influenced them
There are many temptations that every human struggles with. That is why the Bible named them out and created laws and rules for people, because we all have a sinful nature. Any sin that we struggle with can be done away with in the name of Jesus Christ. Ask him for help and forgiveness and deliverance from any temptation we struggle with. 1 Corinthians chapter 6 is part of many letters from Paul to the church in the New Testament encouraging the people to give up their old ways and be born again in Christ.
Oh yes it does God's image is not homosexual, I mean the privates(biology) explains it all, look at nature, what do u have to say.
I’m gay and have been gay since I was the age of 4 which is my earliest memories of having attraction to others. I grew up in a religious church going home. I didn’t grow up exposed to or knew another gay person until I was a teen and literally would try and pray the gay away because I grew up tormented wanting to be “normal”. I believe in God and our Lord Jesus Christ. I have morals and values and try my hardest everyday to be an outstanding contribution to society in the way I treat others. All that being said I literally cannot force myself to be with someone from the opposite sex. Why should I be destined to a life of loneliness while watching others in happy committed relationships?. I could be wrong but I refuse to believe God created me to suffer and live a life not fulfilled with love. Why would it be fair for a heterosexual to be able to live life sinning in other ways they can choose to control and be welcomed into the kingdom and I can’t based off of something I LITERALLY cannot change about myself.
You were having sexual attraction at 4 years old? Yep something traumatic happened to you and it made you feel the way you feel. A similar pattern with people who have same sex attraction. You need to get right with god
Following Christ involves some kind of suffering for everyone. Some people are homosexuals, some are gamblers, or people who get drunk. No sin is greater than the other. Your trials or suffering might be dealing with homosexuality, another person will have something else to bear with. Can we put what we as humans want aside and live by what god is telling us in the Bible?
You are made to suffer in this world, bliss is waiting in heaven.
God makes no mistakes. Just remember, dont trust in your feelings. I heard your story, but i am sure there is more detail when you are whith the same sex.
I would really love to help you I want to meet you in heaven! I love you ! You will not force yourself, let God take the weel.Even if it is out of your comfort zone😃
Remembering sex attraction at 4? Yeah. I'm sorry but something happened to u!
I am bisexual and i struggle with feelings for the same gender i cant help it. But my true i identity will always be a servant of Christ and a Christian
I'll pray for you ❤❤❤❤
@@user-kc4bv7yi6s thank you
Same I'm confused on what I should do
Not sure exactly what works since I am not in the same situation as you, but I would really recommend to keep praying and read the word of God.@@user-ge5dd5pk4d
ok i have a genuine question. so i've been questioning whether i'm bi for a while now but firstly, idk if its wrong, and secondly, ik i would never date a female but i still experience attraction to females. i have a male preference, and my attraction o females is really just "oh shes really pretty." whats that called and what do i do
1 in every ten animals engage in homosexual activities and you say it's not natural? If God didn't want us to be gay, he wouldn't have created homosexuality (God created everything, did he not?) For people who tell us to "love thy neighbor" this does not feel very loving towards your neighbor. If you really loved them you would accept them for who they were instead of trying to fix something that was never their choice in the first place, and/or being stuck on something that doesn't affect you.
Listen here
God didn't necessarily create EVERYTHING for example a phone
God didn't make it but he gave us the resources to
So homosexually is also manmade
God didn't make homosexually but he lets it happen because he gave us free will after eve and adam ate the apple
ALSO VERY IMPORTANT
If a family member is really hurt why should you care it doesn't affect you right? That's why we care because we're supposed to see everyone as our brothers and sisters (just those two )
Animals are a whole different from us and i don't have answers for that
Do your research before you talk thinking you're sLaYiNg
@@michaelagyeman7245
So God didn't make _Penguins?_
No-one makes gay people, they are naturally occurring in every human culture that we have record of.
Spare us your false concern.
I hate to break it to you but it is their choice at the end of the day.. just like saying it's not my fault for cheating, she/he just looks so pretty, I cant handle it.
But I do agree that people who doesnt follow the bible shoundt be harassed like what media shows christians do. Believe me when I say that most christians arent like that, in my church atleast, but you can still love your neighbor without supporting them, does that mean that i dont love muslims because they have other beliefs? No, see my point? The only thing that sadden me is that some christians seem to have forgotten the teachings of the church and so would act against what the bible had told us to do, which is to bascially not harm others and to love them.
@@beomgyu-ah
"Love" that harms is inefficient and dangerous.
Queer people are aware of this, good intentions do no erase harmful effects.
That's a fallacy called an appeal to nature; Just because something is natural does not mean it is justified nor unable to be overcome.
As a Muslim, this is a massive W.
My respect for this man: 📈📈📈📈
As a Christian, the Islamic community is a massive W too😊
@@allandinakaran a conservative christian?, do you believe homosexuality a sin?
@@SENSEI_FREEPALESTINE.28I do
Y'all are all W🎉❤
@@lazy6144 same too
This is wonderful light of Jesus, thanking God for this delivering truth.❤
being gay is a NOT choice you don't just pray the gay away
@@millyofdaworldhola984no one is. We pray for them an for their sins to be forgiven and ours too.
@@yourdoseoflogic131 buts being gay is not a sin to be forgiven on if you aren't ashamed of it
@@millyofdaworldhola984i thought it was wdym? i support gays but i thought it was by choice
@@dejus_e Think about this. If your straight then you like the opposite gender and you can't control that. If you tried to pretend to be gay then you can't, right? Same thing with being gay. I am a lesbian. I didn't choose to be this way I just am. If I tried to crush on boys I can't because I don't feel attracted to them so I can't just switch, therefore it's not a choice.
Being homosexual is perfectly fine.
May God bless this brother!
Are you getting your opinions from a chameleon?
@@G-manFan1that's extremely rude. Talk for yourself.
@@yourdoseoflogic131 it’s true tho. You can’t not believe the truth
@@Myp0tt3ryLike the fact that gays are 15 times more likely to be pedophiles?
@@yourdoseoflogic131
It sounds like you are easily offended if you find someone calling your opinions source a chameleon "extremely rude". No wonder homosexuality offends you. It sounds like it's top of a massive long list of things you find offensive. I believe the term snowflake is normally used for such a person.
Can someone struggling with any kind of sexual sin be saved and forgiving
YESSS OFC. Yes, someone and everyone can be saved and forgiven for sexual sin, but it is up to that person if they want to repent and believe in Jesus Christ. It's up to you if you want to turn to Jesus and repent but if you do want to don't wait another minute and you can pray and talk to God anywhere. It can be a kneeling on the floor prayer or even a whisper in your heart just don't wait so long to turn to Jesus for tomorrow is not promised.
Yes!
Absolutely, grace is sufficient for that.
Thought Love is not a sin.
Neither is being gay or having gay sex.
@@GrokfordDidn’t this video say it was condemned as a mistake and an abomination?
@@Flamezy27
The video may say that but it's not true.
I WAS ALMOST TEMP BY SATAN TO BE A LESBIAN BUT I REBUKE SATAN IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS AND NOW I DONT FEEL ANYTHING TO BE CONFUSED OF MY GENDER AND BY PRAYER READING THE WORD OF GOD PERSONAL RELLATIONSHIP TO OUR LORD KING JESUS LEAD ME TO THE TRUTH. I CHOOSE LIGHT OVER EVIL ARROWS DARKNESS TRAP OF SATAN.
Finally? a servant of God telling the truth.
Love is not a sin.
And don’t be so prideful as to assume that your opinions are the same as God’s.
@@Grokford No! Love is not a sin, GOD is Love! however behaviors and lifestyles that aren't acceptable to God are a sin. I study and know the word of God and would be happy to seek Jesus together and pray with you. Jesus and I are here for you. I have no pride! by the grace of GoD pride left a long time ago, what I certainly have is the Blessed Assurance and Forgiveness of Christ Jesus of Nazareth. Hallelujah!!!!
@@stacywallace9393
"however behaviors and lifestyles that aren't acceptable to God are a sin."
And who says what those are?
You?
Sure.
" I study and know the word of God and would be happy to seek Jesus together and pray with you."
A kind offer but I am not unstudied either.
The anti-gay interpretation is a construct, and a fragile one at that.
@@Grokford May you come to know the Most High Holy GoD! John 1:1 Peace and Blessings Brother.
@@stacywallace9393
How disingenuous.
What about smoking? I am struggling to quit smoking everyday gor the past 6 months. I stopped before last year but i started it again this year. God cannot be mocked. He delivered me before and i took it for granted. Forgive me Lord😢
Wage war against your own flesh because that's where the devil loves to reside as he has the most advantage and influence in the flesh because the flesh is weak.
If you’re a believer Jesus has already forgiven you of all your past, present, and future sins.
God has forgiven you and you must understand he has and then, walk in that forgiveness stopping looking back and comparing your self to your past and live for the now. Jesus has taken away the guilt and the condemnation.
Thank you all❤
We'll smoking is not looking after your body like a temple is it?? Out body is God's temple isn't it??
So with that said I struggled with smoking too, I was always praying to God to forgive me and to help me stop, it didn't work
And why didn't it???
Because I wasn't putting any effort into change, and I was lighting a smoke and then praying after and knowing that it was wrong. So here is the solution I came to!!
I prayed to God and I knew deep down that I had to do this, I prayed a prayer saying lord Jesus I make a promise to you now that I stop smoking, I make this promise because I believe in you, I make this promise in knowing you died on the cross for me.
I got up threw my smokes in the bin, and haven't smoked since, been 7 months now, and I have up alcohol at the same time, so big bonus there from God..
Nothing is possible without God permitting it, so I accepted that Jesus won't help you unless you make the commitment and follow through. At the time I was studying the 1st sin and the consequences of that sin... Sin is sin, and all sin is just as bad as any sin!! Jesus wants to see us make an effort to change and leave our sins behind and follow him.. so after you pray and promise god to give up, each time you think about a smoke just remember you don't want the smoke, Satan wants you to have the smoke to discrace God's temple. I hope this helps you and anyone else.. Amen
Watching this to prepare myself for june. I feel this years gonna be intense
You were right. It's already flooding. Stay on that rock in Jesus.
I'm about to post a video that will make things intense
@@LAYLACARL wheres it posted?
Its gona be intense for you maybe in your fantasy. Else wise it will be just a nice month.
@Pro π that's cute. Let roll with your premise, let's say I get off on wearing dresses, explain to me why it would be OK to do that in front of mothers and their kids? If you defend the drag for kids thing, you're defending the scenario I'm proposing. Bummer you can't post GIFs in here to mock me, it's always satisfying when a communist resorts ro gifs and memes.
Im lesbian. I knew i was different since i was 5. I didnt know what lesbian meant back then but i wanted to be husdand when playing house and put kens clothes on barbie. As i grew up i competed against boys and was protective of girls. As i got older my first crush was on a girl. I wasnt around gay people. I did not know what gay was. Then wheb i found out why i was how i was i was confussed cause i didnt choose it. I accept who i am and i love God. I dont think God is evil to condem me for who i always have been. God loves me.
Sodom wasnt about gays. No one ever talks about lot giving his daughters for rape or how lots daughters had sex with him.
Demons have been following you around since you were 5 or even sooner. It doesn’t matter that you weren’t around anyone or didn’t know anything, the devil preys on children too.
@@Zuavi_ytBro what. If God is all powerful, then can’t he kill all the demons? Unless he wants the demons around
@@Theflowersnomore We’re the ones who keep the demons around. Of course God can destroy all the demons. I mean Jesus Christ already defeated satan when he died on the cross and resurrected. But we keep inviting demons into our lives. The thing is, God is a God of order and he’s a master planner and one of things that has to happen is that demons will roam this earth until the rapture/judgement day and after, they will be thrown in the lake of fire. It has to do with free will and what we choose or else we’d all be robots blindly following a god with no choice whatsoever. In conclusion, even demons have a part in God’s plan.
@@Zuavi_yt
You're making things up, Love is not a sin.
@@Theflowersnomoregod is very powerful but the devil is to
This was the nicest video about the topic of homosexuality I’ve ever seen. He’s so calm and nice. Definitely a man of god
He looks dumb and schizophrenic
I am not homosexual nor heterosexual and i agree. Many times people actually hurt me but this didn't feel hurtful really. Don't know if this man is saying the truth but at least he was nice about it imo.
@@Ankku98wtf r u then, mig-28??!!
@@jaypolas4136 huh? I dont understand your comment. I am nothing. I'm not hetero, i'm not gay, i'm not bi, i'm nothing. I don't identify with anything. Right now i'm in love with a man, but i could be in love with anybody really.
@@Ankku98that is the truth, he is speaking the truth. When I was a homosexual person I used to put joy, emotions and love other every thing else. And you can easy make some test with homosexual people to justify that all of them live with more feminine energy, they put love, emotions and joyful live in their flesh. We can easy love everything but putting it went to far, soon you will drift away from God one day.
If god intent me is a man, if he have only one path, then it will be the path I will go no other path cause he show me the way
SPEAK THE TRUTH PASTOR. NO COMPROMISE. SO AS THEY SHOULDN'T SAY THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE TRUTH
Wish we could find a pastor here in Wichita KS who speaks truth like this with love. Deliverance, healing, what is sin, etc.
Love is far away from pastor vlad, and god avoid him.
This isn’t truth, most of its not even in scripture.
This is wild fantasy towards a prejudiced end.
@@spnd2mch
What Love.
The truth is that you should be who you are and love who you love. You dont have to listen to some dumb book
Everything you said about the bible is wrong. Homosexuality as an orientation is not mentioned. People back then had no concept of "sexual orientation" the way we do. Don't you do any research or study the bible beyond some dribblings from a local pastor?
This was made over a year ago
@@Overwatch2010 and it's still up even though every word of it is false and harmful. it's a disgrace.
@@MusicalRaichu I’ve tried to look for the most recent one but I keep finding 2017 ones and not 2024
"I prayed for years for God to make me straight. He didn't"
To quote John Bevere...
"If your experience was anything like mine, you were exposed to porn at a young age. I was twelve when a friend showed me a magazine, and it grabbed hold of me.
When I got saved, some struggles left immediately. I stopped living like a frat kid, going to parties and drinking excessively. I was instantly freed from cussing. But my struggle with porn proved far more stubborn, even extending into the first couple years of my marriage. It seemed that no matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t break free.
Then, I went on a four-day fast, and I was completely delivered.
Puzzled, I asked God why, for so long, it seemed I couldn’t break free no matter what I tried-but then one day, the bondage finally broke. What He showed me was that, before getting free, I was sorrowful over my sin, but it was the wrong kind of sorrow.
Paul tells us, “For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death” (2 Corinthians 7:10 ESV).
When I couldn’t get free, I was afraid of the consequences that continuing to struggle could have in my life. I didn’t want it to ruin my ministry or my marriage.
Leading up to the time when I got free, everything changed, I began to be grieved that my sin was hurting the hearts of those I loved. This was godly sorrow-a sorrow motivated not by fear of personal loss, but by love for God and others. And it produced a deep repentance in my heart.
If you are struggling to get free, the first question you need to ask yourself is: “Who is the focus of my sorrow?” Do you have worldly sorrow, fearing the personal consequences of your sin? Or do you have godly sorrow, driven by genuine love?
The first kind of sorrow will keep you bound. The latter will lead you toward freedom.
Today, I want you to pray that God would produce godly sorrow in you. Ask to know Him more intimately, and that you would be genuinely grieved over any sin that would get in the way of that intimacy. When you get your motivation right, it makes all the difference. "
John Bevere also gives an example of one of his friends, to further illustrate his point.
"A number of years ago, I had a friend who was addicted to smoking cigarettes. Despite knowing how bad the habit was for him, he would still find himself smoking four packs a day. For years, he prayed and asked God to set him free from it, but nothing changed.
Then, one day, he saw a friend in his church get instantly delivered from the same problem.
My friend was so frustrated.
Angry, he went to God and exclaimed, “I’ve been crying out to You for two years! Why haven’t You delivered me?!”
God spoke to him and said, “Because you still like it.”
He was stunned, overcome by the revelation that God couldn’t deliver him from something he still liked and desired. That’s because God will never override our free will. He repented, asking God to help him to stop desiring the very thing that kept him in bondage, and was instantly delivered. This man went from smoking four packs of cigarettes a day to none-and he’s been free till this day.
Paul exhorts us, “Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good” (Romans 12:9 NKJV).
If you want to get free, you can’t be double-minded. You must passionately hate the sin you want to be free from. It was only when my heart began to break over how my struggle with porn was breaking God’s heart that I began walking in freedom. When I started to see my sin the way God sees it-for the destructive, damaging, detestable thing that it was-I hated it through and through.
Pray that God would help you see your sin for what it is. Ask Him to help you hate it. When there is no part of you that still loves your sin, you’ll find it so much easier to let go of."
I am a Christian, and the homosexual feelings are so strong that I'm trying so hard to fight them pls give me a prayer that can help me fight this.🙏🙏
Love is a moral good, you needn't worry.
Morality isn't gendered.
Continue to be with Christ
You can’t do anything about them because there is no you to do anything about them. You don’t make thoughts come and go. All thoughts and feelings are empty and unknowable appearances just like the body, sky, trees, planets, frustration, doubt, sense of self and others, sense of reality, belief or no belief in god or divinity, happiness or sadness -> all appearances without any separation and completely impersonal and choiceless. Everything is already whole and complete, without any source and creator.
There is no free will and choice. You don’t exist, no one does. No one has ever lived on earth but no one knows that. Seems like there is a me here and others, feels so real.
Well, dreams feel real too, don’t they? Until they don’t lol. Same thing is the “wakeful state”. This is paradise. Empty paradise for no one. Just paradise without any meaning and purpose, a cosmic joke laughing at itself 😂
im struggling with the same thing and i cant really give any tips but all i can say is stay strong and keep fighting until you defeat the temptation
As a Muslim I completely agree with the bible on this.
Same
@Tensei I know. Being born gay is not bad but engaging in homosexual acts is.
Well, you agree with this person, the Bible never even mentions homosexuality.
@Tensei
Lust is not a sin, that's an insane way to live your life.
@@Grokford It does. Read Timothy 1:10 “The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching.”
Christianity will pass. Homosexuality remains forever
I rebuke you in Jesus name. Get some help
The problem with all the people in the comment section telling this guy he’s wrong is they’re all led by emotion. Emotion is good, but emotion should not be the leader of your heart. If Christ is leader of your heart, you’re going to do things that feel bad to your emotions. If you argue Christ should not be the leader of your heart, you need to do some reading. Don’t follow your emotions, follow the teaching of the truth of God.
You have a good point but many of us are doing this due to their ignorance but as we Christians that are straight like I myself we shall rise together. To put an end to this conflict.
Amen
Everyone’s right tho it shouldn’t be a sin if it comes naturally. And as a child I don’t like how everybody is saying (on TH-cam) that I’m going to hell. And I’m not going to RePeNt cause that word sounds stupid and I’m not really in to your weird fantasy club.
@@Myp0tt3ry Very well, but only thou shall choose. Not just to yourself but also your descendants in the next generation also will decide to live in life.
@@Myp0tt3ry So anything that comes naturally is not a sin? Also “everyone on TH-cam” is correct. If you don’t truly believe in your heart the Lord Jesus and confess with your mouth that God has raised Him from the dead, you will end up in an eternal lake of fire. I would suggest that you read John and Romans, if nothing else than to understand that the phrase “your weird fantasy club” is not a very accurate description.
i believe in god and am gender fluid
Their god doesn't care about you but you can be a follower if you want
Why spread misinformation? he loves everyone but hates sin(not right actions) I can understand where you can see it though but free will does not always mean right choices someone will always have the ability to steal and someone may if there is always that amount of free will Heaven is place where your not a bland person you still have personality but you just don’t do bad things.
@@Dai9754 Jesus wasn't a nice guy. He didn't just "love everybody for who they are". He called people out, he was a rebel, he rejected mainstream culture and wasn't afraid to speak out for truth, even amongst the hate of many around him. If we really love someone who we know is doing something wrong or hurtful to themselves or others, simply sitting back and enabling their behavior so as not to hurt their feelings or make ourselves look like a jerk, is not real love. That is just being "nice". Jesus wasn't "nice". He was good and just. We ALL struggle with sin and temptations. That doesn't make you bad, but it just means we need to call on God to help us to do better. 1 Corinthians chapter 6.
The Bible is a collection of letters, essays, poems, stories, etc. that were written by people at a different time in humanity.
The Bible was influenced a lot by the politics, beliefs, and prejudices of that time. That's why we see things like that verse.
The Bible contains a lot of good, but we also need to be aware of the bad and try to focus on the good in the Bible🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏
God loves everyone
The Bible is the word of God. Homosexuality is a sin, accept it.
Romans 1:26-28
God Create Men for Women and Women for Men
@mrtesttube1336it's a sin as it said it was not God's intention for 1 billion LGBTQ ppl to be sinning this much even saysCorinthians 6:11 says, of such of some of but you were washed sanctified or justified
And sisters for brothers??
@@Imightleave Exceot it's never actually mentioned in the bible and isn't a sin
What does the Bible say about bullying and harassing sinners?
So making a 60 second video on TH-cam is harassment? Wow, very intelligent of you 👍
It says don't. Jesus specifically called us to love all people, including and ESPECIALLY our enemies. Anyone who starts attacking other people and ridiculing them 'in Jesus name' is directly defying the Person they're claiming to serve.
Amen brother your a legend for saying this 🙏🏻
Evidently he didn't read the three sins God said you can never ever be forgiven of and that is blaspheming the Holy Ghost sleeping with a animal and a homosexual
@@Wendy-jk2qv still no sin is sin
@@Wendy-jk2qv I can't support the lgbtq 😮 I just can't
@@Discontinued5428 then don’t. It’s not up to us. Though it is ok to date your own gender.
@@Myp0tt3ryso it’s okay to commit adultrey?
I thought that it say be true to yourself or something like that? Also, I’m a Christian and questioning if I’m LGBTQ+ also not trying to hate!!
It's okay to be Christian and LGBT i am and god still loves me❤
@@infj_intovert_nerd whatever abomination
Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
Love is not a sin, scripture is explicit about that.
There are millions of Queer Christians, and most American Christians are supportive of Queer rights.
@@Grokford yayayay
Remember you cant hate anybody
God is life. If homosexuality is of God, then the act should produce life. Nothing natural about it. Ungodly.
He didn’t even speak hate .
He's literally being the most respectable ever, what you on😕?
@@LS_Johngay members when ever anybody tell truth to them even with most respectful and lovely voice they will tell he is hater who is trying to discriminate them. Crazy person is not aware of his problems unfortenetely... but God is one
I really needed to hear this.. I’ve been so confused lately. Thinking I was bisexual my whole life and that’s just what it was.
Love is not a sin.
@@Grokfordok B.O.T
@@coke_boar
If only.
Glad you came across this nessage.Don't listen to words of confused men in this comment section. Pray to God and read the Bible, seek god's word and God will help you. God loves you.
When in times of confusion, don't give yourself to religion right away. As magical and healing as it can be, it is also predatory. Make research, consider your feelings. Don't try to out labels on yourself, just know what you are and how you feel. Religion hides away parts of us we should at least know about, even if we choose to deny them.
Please quit comparing homosexuality to Sodom and Gomorrah. Sodom and Gomorrah was not a display of love, it was rape! So please quit comparing the two because they are completely different. Also, just remember that the scriptures were originally written in Greek and Hebrew and translated into English. There are some words, phrases, and concepts That cannot be perfectly translated into English. So let’s look deeper before we take our king James version literally.
You mean the strange flesh in jude 1:7?
when i was a kid i was very confused if rainbows were bad or good because it was GODs promise but it was a flag too but now I know that rainbows are great from the Bible
Good thing i am not Homosexual but Gay 🗿🗿
so true
Its the same thing ☠️. You're not slick
@@P.E.K.K.A..r/woooooosh
@@silly1billy bro what?
@@P.E.K.K.A.. they were making a joke, are you dense? They know homosexual and gay mean the same thing, that's the joke 💀
This video is a disgrace. People have known since the 80s that every one of your points is incorrect, so why do you ignore those voices, or swamp them out with this sort of harmful rhetoric?
For the money babe. Religion is big business. Many pastors preaching in mega churches in the U.S are whitin a few years multimillionares. They all are wolves in sheep clothes. Pastor vlad is already millionair.
What point or points are incorrect in this video? I’m not sure about you, but I’ve read multiple scriptures about homosexuality, even though the Bible doesn’t specifically mention homosexuality, it talks about it. Every point in this video is right. Homosexuality is a sin just like every other sin, making gay people sinners just like everyone else.
@@user-yk7jq3wo7o The Bible refers to a few specific instances of males lying with males. None of them, however, describe being gay. It'd be like taking references to sin involving males with females and then calling being straight a sin.
Being gay or straight are harmless natural variations over which people have no control. They're a capacity for an intimate loving relationship with another human being. Neither can be classified as "sin", that's a pretty dumb category error. It's like classifying a rock as "sin".
NOTHING in this video is correct. Every statement is WRONG and HARMFUL. The incalculable harm caused by its ideology particularly to gay children of Christian parents has been extensively documented. Families have been torn apart, children have suffered anguish, illness and death as a direct result. This proves how wrong he is.
I am not gay and I am straight just the way God wanted it, being gay is not how God created us Adam married a women but Adam did not marry another man we should follow that God did not want us to be gay but if we turn to God he can cleanse and wash us
How tf do you know what God intended? Being gay seems pretty common, and has been common throughout history, and considering it doesn't mention being gay at all in the bible, it's pretty safe to say God intended it.
Common affirming arguments
*Argument 1:*
In Leviticus 18, The Lord said to Moses, “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices.
The context of the chapter is God giving the Israelites a series of commands to not engage in the practices and customs of surrounding pagan nations.
The argument is that these aren’t universal moral laws, but laws specific to the religious context of the ancient Israelite people.
In Leviticus 20, the prohibition against homosexuality is repeated in V 13 and is given for the Israelites *as well as* to the foreigners living in Israel.
20 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Give the people of Israel these instructions, which apply both to native Israelites and to the foreigners living in Israel.
Furthermore, 2 Timothy 3:16 states:
16 *All* Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.
*Argument 2:*
In Hebrew, Leviticus 18:22 says:
ואת־זכר לא תשכב משכבי אשה תעובה הִוא
wĕʾet-zākār lōʾ tiškab miškĕbê (miškĕvê) tôʿēbâ hiw
A literal translation is: ‘With (a) male you shall not lie (the) lyings (or beds) of a woman. (An) abomination (tôʿēbâ) is that.’ [1: p231][5]
The Septugint (Greek) reads thus:
καὶ μετὰ ἄρσενος οὐ κοιμηθήσῃ κοίτην γυναικός, βδέλυγμα γάρ ἐστιν.
The NRSV translation says: ‘You shall not lie with a male as with a woman, it is an abomination.’
In Hebrew, Leviticus 20:13 says:
ואיש אשר ישכב את־זכר משכבי אשה תעובה עשו שניהם מות יומתו דמיהם בם
wĕʾîš ʾăšer yiškab ʾet-zākār miškĕbê (miškĕvê) tôʿēbâ ʿāśû šĕnêhem môt yûmātû dĕmêhem bām
The Septuagint (Greek) reads thus:
καὶ ὃς ἂν κοιμηθῇ μετὰ ἄρσενος κοίτην γυναικός, βδέλυγμα ἐποίησαν ἀμφότεροι, θανατούσθωσαν, ἔνοχοί εἰσιν
English (NRSV):
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.
People argue that the prohibition of male intercourse with other men found in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 is not grounded in violating the natural complementarity God created between men and women. Instead, such actions “degraded” men by treating them in a way that only women should be treated. Some even cite Philo, Plutarch, and Clement of Alexandria as evidence that ancient people were more concerned about sex lowering a man’s status to the inferior one held by women then with sexual complementarity, an attitude they call “deeply misogynistic”.
People also argue that if Leviticus were about sexual complementarity then why doesn’t it condemn female-female sexual relations? They conclude that since we no longer endorse such “patriarchy,” male intercourse can be seen as the loving exchange of equals and not as the degradation of a man to the status of a woman. But I believe these people have missed the point due to a modern sense of political correctness.
For example, saying an adult is being childish does not mean children are bad, sub-human, or detestable. It doesn’t even mean children have less worth than adults. It just means adults are not children and so they shouldn’t act like children. Likewise, ancient writers calling men in the passive role of anal intercourse “effeminate” or “man-women” does not mean women are bad and therefore men shouldn’t be brought down to their level. It just means men aren’t women and so they should not be treated like women by being sexually penetrated.
Regarding the lack of female-female sexual prohibitions in Leviticus 18, this does not prove the text is not about sexual complementarity. That’s because *all* the prohibitions in Leviticus 18 were written for a male audience. For example, even though women were not explicitly prohibited from engaging in incest, the fact that men were prohibited means the same rules applied to women. The same assumption can be made for male-male and female-female sexual relations.
Also, The idea that the condemned same-sex activity is linked to economic exploitation or abuse is a forced reading with no textual basis.
*Argument 3:*
For some people, The “patriarchy argument” continues in their treatment of Romans 1:26-27, which is perhaps the most explicit condemnation of same-sex behavior in the Bible. Here Paul speaks of idolaters and how God, “ . . . gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.”
Some claim that the “unnatural” intercourse in this passage involved men taking the woman’s passive role in sex and women taking the man’s active role. It had everything to do with ancient patriarchy and nothing to do with either the anatomy of men and women or the body’s natural purpose. But this totally misses the point of the “exchange repetition” in Romans 1. Prior to Romans 1:26 Paul says that Creation shows there’s one true God and the idolaters have no excuse not to worship him (Romans 1:20). But their minds were “darkened” and they *exchanged* the proper end of their worship, or God, for an improper end, or idols (verses 21-23).
Next, their bodies were “defiled” and they *exchanged* the proper object of their belief, or “the truth about God,” for “a lie.” This could only happen because they suppressed knowledge of God that becomes obvious when we think about creation. Finally, their passions were “degraded” and women *exchanged* the natural object of their sexual desires, or men, for women and men did likewise. What all of these exchanges have in common is not failing to adhere to society’s moral norms, but failing to adhere to the natural order seen in creation itself - whether it’s worship of the creator or sexual relations with the natural partner. Paul even uses the Greek words for “male” and “female” instead of the Greek words for “men” and “women” to no doubt harken back to the creation account in Genesis 1 which describes how God made humans “male and female.”
These people's treatment of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 focuses on the Greek words malakoi and arsenokoitai (the latter of which also appears in plural form in 1 Timothy 1:10), whom Paul says will not inherit the Kingdom of God. People argue that these words do not refer to monogamous same-sex relationships or “homosexuals” as some modern translations render the words. Instead, malakoi is ambiguous and could just mean “weak” or “soft” while arsenokoitai refers to some kind of sexual exploitation or pederasty (sex with post-pubescent children). But if that’s the case then why doesn’t Paul just use the Greek word for pederasty (or paiderastes)?
Keep in mind that before he condemns the malakoi and arsenokoitai for their persistence in sin, Paul condemns idolaters and adulterers and then he condemns thieves and greedy people. Adultery and idolatry are often associated in the Bible and thievery and greed certainly go together. This makes it likely that arsenokoitai goes hand-in-hand with malakoi. The fact that arsenokoitai matches the Greek words in the Septuagint’s translation of Leviticus 20:13 is unmistakable. The word breaks down to “arseno” (or “male”) and koite (or “bed”) and literally means “man-bedder.”
Paul is saying that at one point some Corinthians practiced the active and passive roles in same-sex behavior but, as verse 11 says, “this is what some of you *used to be.* But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.” Just because certain people once engaged in same-sex behavior that is no barrier to them being sanctified by the grace of God. God loves them and us and wants everyone to understand their true identities not as being “gay” or “straight,” but as being sons and daughters of the Most High.
Finally, when interpreting these passages it’s important to have the Bible’s whole context in mind and that’s why the affirmation of male-female sexual pairing in both Genesis 2 and Matthew 19 cannot be ignored. The Bible never portrays same-sex relationships in a positive light but it does portray opposite sex relationships in that way. People's answer to this is to say that the description of man and woman coming together as “one flesh” relates to a very close emotional union and not to anything intrinsic to men and women.
But this misses the point that when men and women have vaginal intercourse their body parts work together as an organically ordered whole to accomplish a purpose that cannot be achieved if the two were separate - the creation of new human life. The two retain their identities just as a patient who receives a heart transplant retains his unique DNA, but in both cases two sets of DNA become one in function. No other merging of body parts can accomplish this organically ordered “one flesh” union.
i pray that The Most High gives them strength to break from sin💙
❤️amen.
@@Hxtgvbhhgcvvhnb ok?
Yet you are criminally complicit to eons of historical child sexual abuse within the church walls
Love is not a sin.
@@Grokford o
We muslims are with u bro 💪💪
Respectfully, interpretations vary. Love and acceptance should guide us. Let's focus on compassion and understanding for all.
No one should change to believe in Christ. In fact, whether you’re gay or a pedophile or a murderer, or a liar, or a fornicator or whatever, we come to the cross, broken and contrite over our sin, and in that process, Christ cleans us up.
It is the blessed man who’s sins are covered but remember what first John says, those born from above do not continue practicing sin so clearly a cleaning up happens when one becomes regenerate.
The cost of following Christ is great, but what you gain in return is greater. Our life on earth is short compared to eternity. Striving through a few decades to follow, Christ is a pale comparison to the reward of eternity. Trust Christ. Struggle. And TRUST.
Jesus sat with sinners, but he didn't tell them, "You are perfect as you are, God loves everybody, don't beat yourself up." No, he rebuked them, called them out, offered help and solutions, he taught them about a God who loves them and wants what is best for them, and he challenged them to go and live in a way that was good and right. Jesus wasn't nice, he was good. Nice people don't want to offend others or hurt anyone's feelings, so they may brush over things or take a weak stance on things rather than speaking up, for fear of offending someone or making themselves look like a "mean" person. Good people may have to call someone out or stand up for what is true or right, and it may not seem very nice to the person they are calling out, and others may not think highly of them. But that is how Jesus loves us. A lot of people didn't like Jesus and were offended by him. Sometimes we need a little kick in the pants to keep us on the right path, and I'm so glad Jesus wasn't afraid to stand up and speak out for me, even if It might hurt my feelings or make me upset with Him.
Who cares what the Bible says. Leave people alone.let them be. Have deliverance from religion because it's sick and twisted
I understand by what you mean by leave then alone but Sick and twisted? 💀💀💀💀
Yeah there’s way worse sins than LGBTQ+
Um hello?! You are sick and twisted with ur demon. Get help but DON'T insult God's word!
I care what the bible say cs it’s true everything in the Bible is real read it and you’ll see
@@BigmookVlogs This is why a lot of people don't like Christians because they force people into things they don't like, We all know that the Bible is a real book but that doesn’t mean anything it’s just a book like every other non-fiction book
The problem is the Bible has been rewritten over 700 times, so when you compare today’s morals to something that has been written years ago there will be people who believe it’s a sin, and there will be people who do not agree that homosexuality is a sin. As long as you have good morals and are a good person, like whoever you like, no matter what the gender is.
Yeah umm no, it's never been rewritten but its been translated and we know nothings changed, and no morals doesn't save u Christ does, baing gay isn't a sin but acting on it is.
@@osasaimiyekagbon4108But it's natural for us to act on our sexual needs so why is it ok for men and women to want each other but not if they prefer the same sex? It's literally the same thing just with a different desire in partner
@@osasaimiyekagbon4108lmao? It was rewritten
We all sin and every verse has tried to have the same meaning as the previous. Nobody is a "good person" we al sin, and yes god does forgive us but he had to die! For Us! We did that. You cannot be a good person
@@ritabezuidenhout9359 You 100% sure about that? Yeah good and evil are subjective things but you can't just say that good people don't exist because they do. Not everyone is going to be a good person all of the time but my point still stands!
Imagine believing this horse shit so much to where you think your saving people 💀
I genuinely do not understand why the Bible has this take on homosexuality
@@hail9483 frrrrrrr
@@gachabratz_trollchannel2955 like, I’m not Christian but the Bible has some amazing values. It’s sad to see how the Bible has this take about something that doesn’t change your character.
@@hail9483 I know
I have seen so many atheists and Christians struggle with it
Both of you need to repent. God made Mankind and Womankind he never allowed people from same sex to be together
The thing is I just don't like women at all, like seeing it just...makes me throw up
To anyone reading the replies lust and love are two different things love is a connection with them deep inside you like you want to know them and have a relationship with them lust is a type of attraction where you feel attracted to how they look not who they are or thinking about how they would feel about you in any way I feel like all Christian’s should realize if people want be homosexuals just let them be we don’t have to support it but we can still respect and love those people.People who hate on you for doing it are not doing the right thing. And to those saying love is love God loves us all and stuff like that read the Bible(KJV is the original) It will show that things aren’t what you think they are in that statement that Love is Love.May you all find peace in Christ and Love another.May the Lord return soon and Bless all of you❤️.
All people are welcome in this community
Not
@@TinaSelftalk Disliking someone else because they're different is pathetic, grow up.
@@Sprigatitto740not believing in God is even more pathetic
@@P.E.K.K.A.. Did I say I didn't believe in God?
First non homophobic Christian comment THANK YOU
So, I don’t understand…
Can people be LGBTQ+ and Christian at the same time?
(Sorry I don’t understand because English isn’t my native language)
yeah nothin wrong with that some ppl just use the bible to push out minorities from a religioun about love and peace. end of the day it's your decision whether that's something that's wrong in your view
god created love, so if love feels right to you, then do what you wanna do
That's not how it works. God made love for men and women. Not any other way
@@P.E.K.K.A.. did god say that?
@@bri2breezy yes. He said it indirectly. Cause if u read leviticus 20:13 it says that man cannot have sex with another man. So sexual relationship is only meant for opposite sex
@@P.E.K.K.A..bro that literally meant children.
@@P.E.K.K.A..the original translation talked about men and young boys. A TOTALLY different concept💀
Love is love
Amen amen so true too bad some still choose not to listen
This is wild imagination not actual scripture.
We don’t choose to be gay, God made us this way. Ill continue as I am and will still make it to Heaven x
@@Peanutter123 I'm a christian and strongly agree with you
@@Peanutter123 And God made thieves the way they are but why are they in prison? by your logic they shouldnt deserve any punishment.
@@Peanutter123 God did make you that way but you still have to repent of your sins and be born again. Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
I used to be lesbian when i was 9 or 10... I repented and turned to christ.. im still axious about "what if he wont forgive me" but i know he does.
Grace is sufficient, but Love is not a sin anyways.
You are Loved can be forgiven
@@Grokford
@@Doveeeyyy
Children are not necessarily, Jesus had no spouse or children, neither did Paul.
Paul specifically discouraged marriage.
So whatever value you’ve placed on heterosexuality, I would be curious where it comes from.
the soley cause of humanity is not reproduction,do u understand that??If god actually thought being homo was a crime why did he create homo and bi animals???I don't think u hve to repent for being who you are,at this point u have a lot of homophobia,u can't force urself to be staright if you're not.@@Doveeeyyy
Do children are born either male or female, And Jesus he did not have a spouse or children because God sent him on earth to try to save us from our sins, And Paul does not discourage marriage he recommend that each woman should have a husband and man should have a wife, and also the Bible has no errors true it does have different authors, but they’re all followers of Jesus and they write whatever God tells them the write, To help us Understand what it is to be a Christian And how to please God Are you sure you’re reading the scriptures cause the way how you’re explaining some stuff in your Comments sounds like science rather than the word of God
"you're supposed to love your neighbour as yourself"
Christians do love people! Infact it is a direct command given to us by our Lord in John 13:34-35 where He said "So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. 35 Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.”
*The difference,* however, is that Christians do not define love according to culture. We define love by the Word of God, which tells us what love is in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Does this mean we are to be kind to the rainbow nation? To be patient with them?
*Yes* absolutely! We are to be *all* those things to *everyone,* regardless of their chosen lifestyle or what they choose to identify as.
But also, take note of v. 6 "Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth"
God is Holy and sin seperates us from Him as we are told in Isaiah 59:1-2
Warnings against Sin
59 Listen! The Lord’s arm is not too weak to save you, nor is his ear too deaf to hear you call.
2 It’s your sins that have cut you off from God. Because of your sins, he has turned away and will not listen anymore.
If we are to "rejoyce with the truth" then how can we love, affirm or celebrate *anything* that separates us from the one who gave His very life so that He could have a relationship with us?
I'm gay, I believe in God, I help others whenever I can, I'm not promiscuous and I don't let my sexual orientation define who I am.
I believe homosexuality IS A SIN but I have grown to accept that I WILL BE JUDGED when he calls for me and I fully take responsibility of my sins.
Yes it is a struggle, that's why I sit towards the back at church, but I know it'll be a life long struggle as well as a afterlife long struggle.
The kingdom of God is not a gated community folks and its not some prize someone can win but I believe it's a community of souls and that's what he'll judge on the day he calls for us.
All in all just because someone calls themselves a Christian or preaches the Bible doesn't mean they are without sin, I just ask that instead of shunning or judging a homosexual sinner you understand their heart at the very least.
Love & God bless.
No one should change to believe in Christ. In fact, whether you’re gay or a pedophile or a murderer, or a liar, or a fornicator or whatever, we come to the cross, broken and contrite over our sin, and in that process, Christ cleans us up.
It is the blessed man who’s sins are covered but remember what first John says, those born from above do not continue practicing sin so clearly a cleaning up happens when one becomes regenerate.
Change of mind and heart is first. Working changes over time.
Love is not a sin dear, having an orientation is just a fact of life. You can't be held accountable for what you like.
@@Grokford but you will be because like anger, like deception, like murder, homosexuality is a sin. When we christians come on here and call that out it is not because we wish to stir trouble but because God is perfect love and he sends us to you to reach you. True christian love is reaching you to true salvation.
Christ doesn’t require that you come to the cross clean. He Only requires understanding that you know you are in sin. After he saves you HE cleans you up.
Choose redemption. True love is Gods truth.
@@Grokford many people like to murder, rape, deceive, Rob, steal and destroy. Under your logic they should all be OK but,…there’s not really any kind of comparative separation for homosexuality that separates itself adequately other than self preference and your argument doesn’t really separate you from the murderer beyond preference
Thank you Sir for this awesome information!🙏🏼❤️
Well as an atheist i dont care,
And why is rhe male g spot in the gluteus maximus
"Homosexuality as an *orientation* is not addressed in scripture"
Firstly.
The Bible tells us in Matthew 15:19 that it begins in our hearts and minds. Before we commit an act of sin, we will think about it. All sin starts in the mind.
Then terms: "vile affections", "burned in their lust", "working", "natural use", etc. are used in Romans 1:24-27 (KJV), & clearly involve both mental and physical homosexuality.
So I’m confused, are you trying to say that being homosexual is wrong or what?
Yes
Yes 👍
Love is not a sin.
That is explicit in scripture, these people are just bigots with a creative streak.
Yes
In the verse Leviticus 18:22, where he said a man should never sleep with a man was a mistranslation from the rsv bible. Many other versions from different cultures stated the verse differently. They said “man should not sleep with a young boys.” They never said being gay was bad just being a p$do.
Not true you just don’t like what it says
@@NathanBlackmen merely saying “not true” without any evidence to back up your claim doesn’t change my opinion in any way.
@@Kayleah988 you’re just wrong in the original Hebrew use the word man and male there was no mistranslation, and I could bring up a bunch of other verses that condone it
@@Kayleah988 and you’re right it won’t change your opinion. Anyways, the truth is foolish to those who are perishing.
@@NathanBlackmen give me a specific verse, I’m completely fine to change but I won’t do it without some proof, so you can give me a source, a website, anything like that and I will fact check it myself and make a decision for myself.
why does he not love me for the way i was born and something i csnt change, he was the one in charge of how i was born so why is he going to make me burn in hell for it
he didn't make you that way, you chose to be that way
@@ChristIsLord256 he didnt choose to be that way, the devil tempted him and he became it
@@DaddyJoks_ that's a better explanation yeah
@@DaddyJoks_ You got any evidence to prove this?
@@user-jz4mo6kf8h Genesis 1:27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. and Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
isnt some parts of the bible mistranslated?
This part is backed up by Islam. So it's true
Yes, many parts. And "homosexual" is a blatant (and malicious) mistranslation. The Greco-roman world, much less the Bronze and Iron Ages, had no concept of homosexuality as an orientation.
@@P.E.K.K.A.. Islam is also based off of mistranslations though.
If Jesus's mom was a virgin that would mean Jesus only had X chromosomes but he is a man. Wouldn't that make Jesus trans?
no
The will of God can do anything but evil and affect our free will
I’m Christian too but I just don’t like how they push it in to our lives and normalize it for us. I’m not comfortable with that and I don’t support it either and I know there’s no way everything will go back to normal but I don’t like it when they put it into EVERYTHING I watch or see. But thank you for spreading the truth!
But I feel like they’re trying to normalise it, because there’s a lot of stigma towards it, and from what I’ve been seeing most people were pushing it. Are corporations were trying to kiss ass to them
I do wanna say something, I did had a friend who is gay but … he changed when his parents brought him to church during at night tho… it’s weird, when he was blessed and such idk what was it he said exactly but he said he did felt strange like he somehow turn to woman and he did met his soulmate which she looks like somewhat like marzia mixed with Ariana grande they did got to know each other and end up in a very happy relationship, so he did took out all his gag posters in his room and make it only about him and his gf and yet for the first time ever he can act like a normal boy doing stuff with his girl~
Wow he has such abusive, and controlling friends, and family
Yikes, that's abuse.
It's also a ticking time bomb.
@@Myp0tt3rybringing someone to church and blessing them is not abuse. Fix your mind.
@@GrokfordBro is sensitive 😂
@@RavanoxYT
Sorry if traumatizing children in weird night rituals doesn't spark anything in you but I still remember empathy.
I’ve had enough of people saying that being gay isn’t a sin and people are just remodelling it differently. No!
Literally isn't a sin.
@@raven4442 I’m sure it is a sin.
I’ll say this though I don’t think people should do bad things to spread the word of the lord.
How should Christians and the church treat the rainbow nation?
Written By Jemima*, Singapore
“Yes, but how long should we tolerate what they say and do?”
At the word, “they”, I felt a huge gulf open between me and the world around me. Everything shrank into “us” and “them,” and I had never felt so alone.
***
I am a member of a local church in Singapore. I profess faith in God, and I believe in the resurrected Christ and His redemptive power that can save us from our sins. I believe in grace that is freely given and salvation received only through faith, not from works done by our hands, but by the work that was completed by Jesus Christ on the cross.
I am also same-sex attracted (SSA), and I want to share my experience in the hope that it may help Christians understand other believers like myself a little better.
When the question above was asked, I was at a seminar about Christianity and LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender). As the speaker moved on to talk about the experience of SSA Christians in the church, I started to notice an older couple asking many questions. They were both involved in the hospitality team at church, and it seemed like they had more than once felt uncomfortable talking to SSA people.
The questions started out innocuous. “How can I speak to them?” and “What should I do if someone tells me about being same-sex attracted?” seemed like good, constructive questions. Then we started to move into territory that made me feel more and more uncomfortable.
“I understand that we should be accepting them, but shouldn’t we be praying for them to change?”
“What do I do if a same-sex attracted person tries to start a relationship with me?”
And finally . . .
“Yes, but how long should we tolerate what they say and do?”
The speaker was silent for a long moment. When he spoke, his words were heavy, and I could hear my pain mirrored in his voice.
“For as long as you would tolerate [that every Christian should struggle against] any other sin, like lust, jealousy, or coveting. Even lying and anger,” he said quietly. “And we do not just tolerate [believers who are same-sex attracted], we accept them as Christians and children of God first. Same-sex attraction is not the first thing that needs to be addressed when someone steps into church. Rather, it is the heart that needs Christ that must first be addressed.”
Damn, never knew liking someone was so bad
That people literally find solutions to alter me.
💀
Because people care about you and they are begging you to change your ways and stop being homosexual because we know that it is wrong because we have read the book and we know that book is the truth because not only did the most iconic scientists and physicist believe in it like Isaac Newton and Galileo Galilei a True God created that book and you know why that God is true its because a man named Jesus claimed to be God if he died and rose again and he did that as HE SAID.
@@user-mz4eu6ln4e I actually am shocked by your devotion. But... you do know that your bible is tampered with right? It's manipulated to benefit the powerful people by tricking religious people into what they want. They hate us. Now all of you do too since "god" does allegedly. But that bible is no purity. It has been altered significantly by the powerful people.
''Damn, never knew liking someone was so bad'' it depends what you mean, i know this is about homosexuality but still.
@@Konmonachi Well I meant liking guys and not women is so bad according to the bible
@@ophshards4822 yeah if ur a guy
Somebody should have mentioned this to King James.
Fr king James got me calling my homies ok
To those telling homosexuals that if God is loving they don't have to change, God loves all but to enter the kingdom of heaven you need to deny yourself
that makes the religion your selling look like a total scam. you say your god is good, but your god also demands conversion therapy from anyone who wasn’t born straight?
no one good would ever make being lgbt a sin. they wouldn’t make acting on it a sin either. there’s nothing wrong with it
What about lesbian?
That is included in homosexuality.
Homosexuality: romantic feelings toward the same gender.
@@Sketchy_Glitch I grew up with lesbe parents. I love Jesus but it hurts to see what this vid is saying about them. :( im depressed bc of it.
@@SILVSOUL
Homosexuality of any type is not condemned in the Bible, but lesbeans are never even mentioned.
People just don't like gay things so they use the thinnest of pretenses to stretch the condemnation across everything they don't like.
The Bible never mentions trans people but that doesn't stop Christians from being transphobic.
Queer Christians and Queer allies have been trying to make progress in the church but it's an uphill battle, as you can see.
That is homosexuality.
@@user-b587 depressing how religion treats my parents
God doesn’t make mistakes, so no, homosexuality is not a sin. God made you and he loves you the way you are. He didn’t make a mistake in making you. Use simple logic.
It is not that simple. God didn't make a mistake. Satan corrupts God's creation and they need to be saved from homosexuality. You're delibrately contradicting and twisting direct bible verse against homosexuality, don't add your words to bible cause god won't let that go. Where as if the homosexuals reach Jesus they will be saved from their sin.
@@royobanon831 So god makes all humans heterosexual and satan just magically makes them homosexual and that makes it wrong to be gay? That doesn’t seem fair for them, does it? Also, it can’t possibly be a sin if you weren’t the one who committed the sin. If satan made you homosexual, he did it against your will, so YOU aren’t the sinner
@@zapify6999 First of all if you had the least of common sense you would know that there is a reason for males and females being sexual counterparts. It is God's will and he showed it by creating humans as Adam and Eve not 2 adams or 2 eves. God clearly says it is sin then who are we to defy it.
Secondly, satan doesn't sin for you and that is a lie he wants you to believe. Even I had the same doubt before. His work ends with temptation. Take any sin for that matter, he won't be the one doing the sinful act, it is our decision to do it or not give into it and also know that no one can overcome his/her sin on their own, you need god's help. Jesus is always ready to help you if you give your life to him. In the end satan will get his judgement for tempting people into sin but you don't be the one joining him for trusting his lies.
@@zapify6999 ate
and im constantly stuggling with this thought cus im a christian but isnt the struggle more of a temptation?
God made no mistake making you. Humans make a mistake sinning against him.
Because of that, the world is broken, and people kept sinning, as it was now in their nature, and now we are here.
It’s a standoff, a big standoff where no one wins.
So lets say that there is a man. He is a good person. He cares deeply for others and regularily donates to the homeless. He helps others in need and loves his family. But he is attracted to the same gender. He just prefers guys over girls. And dose this single fact, that he likes something different make him an awefull being? Even if he is not hurting any othet person, and is good twoards the people around him, he is still bad and wrong just because he has a different world view. Wow.
I mean, i thought this whole religion was about being a good person and not hurting others, and generally spreading good in the world.
@@igorolszewski7546sure seems like it
@@Unnkxn0wn Yeah well, I think some humans are just forgeting about basic decensy amd principles.
Basic decency if a great thing to bring up. (I’m not being sarcastic, just saying because you can’t hear my tone through text.) But that’s not what gets you to Heaven. One very important thing to note is that yes, you should still do good things and strive to be a good person, that’s letting God shine through you and you showing you follow him, but that isn’t what gets you to Heaven in the end. You have to BELIVE IN HIM.
Love is not a sin, that is contradictory to the faith.
Though it's also worth mentioning that another fundamental aspect of the faith is the fact that no one is good enough, all have sinned so the scripture goes.
It's just that gender is not one of those sins.
Wow people actually believe in the corrupted bible . This texts never existed in the original bible. May jesus guide you to the truth
What do you mean by corrupted bible?
@@icegang3253 The bible was translated into English in the 1940s-1950s at that time some countries started legalizing homosexuality and the people how translated the bible were homophobic and they added stuff to the bible that was never in the original text to make people not accept gay people. For example the only time the original bible mentioned homosexuality it said that a man should not lay with a much younger boy but they translated it to a man should not lay with another man and they added a lot of homophobic stuff to a lot of verses of the Bible that never existed. Thanks for asking
@hackertiger8527proof there is more than one verse about it and what makes you so sure never once in the bible has god said anything positive about same-sex love it's always been man and woman in relationships. Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
First time seeing Bible in truth
According to bible, we must love everyone(even LGBTQ) but according to GALATIANS:6:1-3 we must help them to repent.
Homosexuality will be punished(JUDE:1:7)
And according to GALATIANS:6:3 They are deceiving themselves.
Everyone should understand that LOVING≠SUPPORTING
ENCOURAGING=SUPPORTING
Galatians 5:22-23 says that Love is a fruit of the spirit "...against such things there is no law."
And that is an incorrect use of "unnatural". Romans 1 does not make any moral claims with the term "natural" in fact it's rather closer to the word instinctual or physical.
You're not helping anyone but yourself.
@@GrokfordIf I've made any mistakes please point them out and clarify them for me please
So that I can be useful🙏
@@allandinakaran
As I said, your argument that homosexuality is “unnatural” is out of alignment with the actual semantic range of the Greek term used and scripture explicitly states that Love is a fruit of the spirit, practically the opposite of a sin.
@@Grokford Okay, thanks for the help👍
I've edited my comment please tell me if I've made any mistakes.
@@Grokford Love is fruit of
Spirit, yes that is true. That is just one part of an entire story. Homosexuality is not love, that is unnatural, if you had least common sense you would know why god created two different genders as counterparts and why homosexual is unnatural.
What if gays were out here to test your faith? Can you love someone who is diffrent than you? Long as they are grown adults love is love how could you hate and call that gods word???? That’s the devil whispering in your ear . Not god!! Amen.
Bro what? How about you read Leviticus 20:13
Culturally archaic teaching based on ignorance. Love is a blessing. Obsession with Sin is pretty sad.
Thanks for scripture.
Jesus paid the price for ALL sin
Used to be "bi" but as i explored the concept of male on male sex more i got absolutely repulsed. Coincidentally, that was around the time God and Christ revealed themselves to me, and i became more Christian. I am happy now. Dodged a bullet.
even thought im a muslim but, W
Love is Love, sex is sex, it may not be for you, but that doesn't mean that it's not for someone.
Heaven is heaven, it may not be for you, but that doesnt mean that its not for someone
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@@GrokfordRomans 1:26-28
I go to a Christian school and they have pride flags every where and they all support it
good
Glad to hear it.
Glad that they are supporting
That’s not a Christian school
that’s not appropriate for Christian schools..
Human beings didn’t create anything. We didn’t create any form of desires lusts or affections. We didn’t create evil or any sinful nature. We honestly need to pump the brakes and read (Isaiah 45:7)
What kind of creator would create these levels of principalities and cannot control it? 🤔 If you believe this you are making our creator out to be very weak. Christians pride themselves on believing and declaring that God is in control but don’t want to accept what God created. We didn’t create none of this. The word clearly says all things were made by him and by him all things consist. (Colossians 1:16-20)
All things were created for his glory. Both things of the spirit and flesh are under his subjection. God will indeed complete the good work started in all mankind. We need to stop being critical and trust the hand of God. The only difference between us and the world is the creator didn’t allow some of their struggles to be ours. You could have easily been given the struggle of homosexuality or molestation. However the creator saw fit to give you the battle of pride and pornography. Be careful who you put your mouth on. It baffles me seeing imperfect people feel they have the capacity to manage something out of their element. You really think an omnipotent all powerful creator needs you to manage something he created in his own image? We were given the opportunity in the beginning to manage the surrounding creation and failed.😒😒😒🙄🙄🙄 Let God be God and you remain human.
Uh. We made phones.
Preeety sure if we can create AI, millions of new food dishes, advanced technology, buildings, skyscrapers, time machines-
Wait, we haven’t gotten there yet-
iPads, virtual reality, holograms.
I think we can create our own concepts.
Does Genesis say anything about making the XBox?
Did the first phone appear from thin air because God decided it should?
No.
We took what God made and used it to make new things.
Which can go right, or it can go wrong.
In technology it usually goes right.
In sexuality, it usually goes wrong, because God only intended one option.
@@Sketchy_Glitch everything you just named was made from a substance that was already here. We are a creation like every other form of life.
hey! i’m not a christian, but i respect your beliefs in all of their entirety as long as you respect mine. i would like to have a normal, level headed conversation about where in the bible it says this. Most of the excerpts that I have heard of were updated and written in 1946, not when the rest of the bible was created. If there are any other excerpts I should know about I would love to hear about them.
i’m lgbt and not christian (please don’t attack me) but if you are loyal to your own religion i respect that. same thing with muslims
The amount of respect I have for this man is incredible, because usually I don’t have that much for non-Christians, but he just stated his opinions, made sure no one was offended, and dipped.
This whole debate could really use more people with the same respect you have.
I hope you keep looking at it from both standpoints and begin to understand it more.
Even if it means anything to you, just know it means something to me: I’ll be praying for you.
If you don’t believe that works, just take it as a compliment, I guess-
@@Sketchy_Glitch
So your standard for good behavior is someone who's afraid of what you'll do to them.
That's such a damning admission, you don't want to change people, you want them to be subservient to your ideals.
@@GrokfordRomans 1:26-28
@@Grokfordcringe
being homosexual is just like saying tunnel can go through another tunnel as a train can go through a tunnel
Accept Jesus, repent of your sins and ask for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Do not live in the flesh as you change and rebuke the thoughts and accusations of satan and his demons (temptations).
I'm wasn't homosexual however since accepting Jesus I haven't partaken in pornography or masturbation for over 9 months. which before I couldn't go a single day without.
"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." Philippians 4:13
Well yeah.. But I‘d rather stay gay 💅
dropping pornography and masturbation is a great thing, and everyone should do it, but homosexuality has nothing to do with this.
@@despa7726 Give me ONE reason to stop watching porn that has to do with my health.
@@despa7726 it's self control. It's the same kind of self control. Sexual immorality.
Glory be to God Almighty that even in this dark world, we still have Christians who knows and live by the truth according to the Holy Scripture
"david and Jonathan were lovers"
We know from 1 Samuel 18:1 that Jonathan loved David. Second Samuel 1:26 records David’s lament after Jonathan’s death, in which he said that his love for Jonathan was more wonderful than the love of a woman. Some use these two passages to suggest a homosexual relationship between David and Jonathan. This interpretation, however, should be rejected for at least three reasons.
First, the Hebrew word for “love” used here covers a broad range of meanings and does not mean “romantic” or “sexual” love unless the context demands it. Forms of the same word are used for loving God (Exodus 20:6), loving one’s neighbor as oneself (Leviticus 19:18), treating foreigners well (Leviticus 19:34), sharing friendship (Job 19:19), having diplomatic ties (1 Kings 5:1), taking pleasure in the work of a subordinate (1 Samuel 16:21), and even “loving” inanimate things (Proverbs 21:17).
Second, David’s comparison of his relationship with Jonathan with that of women is probably a reference to his experience with King Saul’s daughters. He was promised one of Saul’s daughters for killing Goliath. The first daughter was abruptly given to another man. The second daughter was promised, but Saul continued to add conditions to the deal, hoping to see David killed in battle (1 Samuel 18:17, 25). The loyalty and camaraderie David had with Jonathan came with no conditions and was of greater value than the companionship of Saul’s daughter.
Third, the Bible clearly and consistently denounces homosexuality (Genesis 1:26-27; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:18-25). Extolling a homosexual love between David and Jonathan would be contradicting the prohibitions of it found throughout the Bible.
The friendship between David and Jonathan was a covenantal relationship. In 1 Samuel 18:1-5, we read of David and Jonathan forming an agreement. In this agreement, Jonathan was to be second in command in David’s future reign, and David was to protect Jonathan’s family (1 Samuel 20:16-17, 42; 23:16-18).
Obviously, these two men were also very good friends. In their relationship we can see at least three qualities of true friendship. First, they sacrificed for one another. In 1 Samuel 18:4, we read that Jonathan gave David his clothes and military garb. The significance of this gift was that Jonathan recognized that David would one day be king of Israel. Rather than being envious or jealous, Jonathan submitted to God’s will and sacrificed his own right to the throne. Second, in 1 Samuel 19:1-3, we read of Jonathan’s loyalty toward and defense of David. King Saul told his followers to kill David. Jonathan rebuked his father and recalled David’s faithfulness to him in killing Goliath. Finally, Jonathan and David were also free to express their emotions with one another. In 1 Samuel 20, we read of a plan concocted by Jonathan to reveal his father’s plans toward David. Jonathan was going to practice his archery. If he told his servant that the arrows he shot were to the side of the target, David was safe. If Jonathan told his servant that the arrows were beyond the target, David was to leave and not return. Jonathan told the servant that the arrows were beyond the target, meaning that David should flee. After releasing his servant, Jonathan found David and the two men cried together.
Rather than being evidence for a homosexual relationship in the Bible, the account of David and Jonathan is an example of true biblical friendship. True friendship, according to the Bible, involves loyalty, sacrifice, compromise, and yes, emotional attachment. That is what we should learn from David and Jonathan. The idea that David and Jonathan were practicing homosexuals (or bisexuals) has no biblical basis
I doubt it. thats it. Im gay because I am attracted to other men - and I assume that every other person - has attractions to one sex, the other, or both - thats what sexuality is. You can blame the creation of society, for sexuality - because domesticated animals have also presented same sex attractions - as well as zoo animals on occasion - because at the root of it - we no longer need - as a species - to simply hunt, and forage - like we used to - at least, according to science we used to - society has allowed our lifespans to increase - and our freedoms increase - we have passions, and hobbies, and jobs - and attraction - that everyone follows - no one chooses others simply out of necessity - you dont just look at a random person - and say "hey god, ill just be with this person, to continue the species' - you find someone youre attracted to - and you date them - those are the steps.
Not to mention - if sexuality is a sin like any other - than... why dont we see every person struggle with it? we dont - you see most people being straight - and a small number of us being gay or lesbian - with every other sin - anyone is able to do it - anyone on the planet can be greedy - or lustful in one-night stands - or steal - or lie - no straight man can love someone of the same sex - the way I, as a gay guy - can - which makes me different than him. someone who is poor - getting a raise - easing the burden of stress off their shoulders - is not greedy - greed is the rich man - stealing more from his employees - so he can buy his 10th car - its the individual action - that creates the sin. Me trying to be with someone I have no attraction for - would be a sin - thats the opposite sex for me - and the same sex - for a straight guy. right?
And all those stories you hear, from the occasional 'saved gay' - is untrue - bi-sexuals exist, and those are people who like both sexes - and anyone could ignore someone, and think about something else - to stop caring about anyone, or whatever. no straight person has ever truly become gay - no gay person ever can change their attractions, thats kinda how it works.
The one thing that ive seen - was a crazed, deluded 'trans' person - who mutilated their body, and went on hormones, didn't like it - and they went back and forth on different hormones - and saw their sexuality change depending on the hormone they were on - which could prove that hormone levels, and fluctuations - could 'create' in some ways - sexuality - but that's also how inter-sex people end up getting born - who have chromosomal, and hormonal imbalances from birth as well - which also cant be changed - so either we exist, or we dont huh.
U can do whatever u want. I'm not even religious but I can speak on behalf of them all they do is follow the bible
not following the right one - ancient hebrew bible didnt mention homosexuality anywhere - it was a translator later, who added it, so yeah. the bible aint half bad - its people like this, who dont see us right here, knowing we're here, and gay, and not at odds with the bible at all. @@DrowningForward
I practiced homosexuality, however, I'm living with my partner and I no longer engage in sexual practices.
I've turned to Jesus and hope my partner will also.
Now I want to find a church for fellowship, but many I have written will not address this issue.
Any suggestions?
A standpoint where it’s only sexual homosexual practices is complicated and makes half-sense to me. I- I don’t know how to respond.
@@Sketchy_Glitch
The Bible never mentions Queer relationships, or anything other than sex between men.
The distinction should be obvious but in practice it's not, which is how we can tell that it's not actually about what the Bible says.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but your celibacy isn't likely to make much difference.
Anti-gay Christians are against everything Queer regardless.
The Bible never mentions trans people or lesbians, but the church condemns and condemns them anyways.
I have no qualms about saying that I don't think that there's anything immoral about gay sex, male or female, though of course female homoeroticism is never mentioned in scripture.
Another thing that's not in scripture is the idea that you shouldn't have pre-marital sex, that's in the Bible anywhere, people made it up.
But I can tell you from my own experience that people are generally not going to call you out or ask about your Queerness.
In my current church I started attending with my roomate, and even though we're actually purely friends over the months I discovered that many people were fully convinced that we were a couple.
There are other Queer people in the congregation including a trans woman, and no one's ever commented.
And it would be very simple to deny if they did.
So what if you live together, housing is expensive.
But if you want to be out.. that would usually be pretty hit or miss, it could be simmering resentment, patronizing pity or outright hostility.
Or it could be like my church, which despite having openly homophobic sentiment is usually never an issue because people disagree and no one wants to start a fight.
@@Grokfordcan you stop spreading your agenda here? This is a moment of healing where someone has repented. This is not about you. Go away.
@@RavanoxYT
Darling it's not about either of us.
It's about the truth and how Queer people are treated in the church.
There is no healing a gender orientation because there is no way for it to be broken.
Just because you'd like people to go away that doesn't mean we will, nor does it mean your fantasies will survive contact with reality.
What does the Bible say about incest? I think you need to have a conversation with your parents. Or your brother and mother, same thing.
Incest is a sin, it does not say incest in of itself but what it does say is that sexual relations with your close bloodline is a sin, now also God wants us to be fruitful and multiply and a man to leave is family to be joined with a woman and create their own God bless you
Religion is nothing but brainwashing.
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I suggest you read Leviticus 18. It has a lot of information on sexual relationships. Hope that helps!✝️🕊❤️
If people dont agree then just think like this ,,if that is normal everybody will be like that, not minority" so if they are minority its not normal.
Mmmmm, I don't think all of this is true.
Why can people treat people like a decent human being? You may disagree with us, but least triggers like a decent human being rude.😢😢
I don’t get where he’s being rude in this video, he was simply stating his beliefs the same way people in other communities state their beliefs.🤦🏾♂️
imagine being homophonic just because of your religion :D
... Were not being homophobic we are trying to let you guys away from the devil stop following the devil deny it and come with God hold your cross we all Muslims, arabacians, Christians will be waiting for u
Exactly
@@Imightleave rightttt
@@Anti_Fur-kys it no "exactly" abt it, it's the truth tf-
@@Imightleave”stop being gay it’s wrong”
“Im not homophobic”
What about the animals in nature that practice it?
What about those doing incest? Those eating their preys alive? The hypocamp male can get pregnant but a fish male no. A female dog have sex with multiple dogs does that mean my mum must have sex with multiple different dudes?
I mean, it’s because they can’t tell the difference between man and woman. (Ps im not saying gay is bad, in fact I support it)
Animals won’t be judged by God on judgement day on how they lived their lives on earth. Human beings are a superior intellectual race who know right from wrong.
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
I hope you didn't mean that in the wrong sense. If you love homosexuals then help them come to Jesus and help them lead a life of God's will which is the 'True Love' .
love who you want, dont tell people otherwise its none of your buisness its theres, if in the end being homo is rpng then you succeeded with yourself, more space in heaven for you to do what you want. why help others find god, in that his word?
@@micahchoate6051 So you will push someone into some misery willfully and say that you spread love?? Why don't you people get this in your head, homosexuallity is not "Love". I'm not deciding who should love who, that is God's work. But unlike you I can't live with the guilt of not warning someone about the misery they are gonna face because of their wrong choices when I can.
Amazing grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me, I once was lost but now im found, I was blind but now i see.
No, i said try if they say no thats their choice if god cares that much he will fix it your job is you, not someone else. Trust me i could go on all day if i wanted, i could open up atleast 2 more arguments too, but surely you dont want that. Sometimes the best thing you can do, is just walk away
@@micahchoate6051 Yeah you're right, I didn't get you at first, but now I understand and exactly that is the same thing I'm trying to do, but when I see people post wrong things in comment section I just wanna help.
Genesis 19:1-11
That evening the two angels came to the entrance of the city of Sodom. Lot was sitting there, and when he
saw them, he stood up to meet them. Then he welcomed them and bowed with his face to the ground.
"My lords," he said, "come to my home to wash your feet, and be my guests for the night. You may then
get up early in the morning and be on your way again." "Oh no," they replied. "We'll just spend the night
out here in the city square." But Lot insisted, so at last they went home with him. Lot prepared a feast for
them, complete with fresh bread made without yeast, and they ate. But before they retired for the night, all
the men of Sodom, young and old, came from all over the city and surrounded the house. They shouted to
Lot, "Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex
with them!"
So Lot stepped outside to talk to them, shutting the door behind him. "Please, my brothers," he begged,
"don't do such a wicked thing. Look, I have two virgin daughters. Let me bring them out to you, and you
can do with them as you wish. But please, leave these men alone, for they are my guests and are under my
protection."
"Stand back!" they shouted. "This fellow came to town as an outsider, and now he's acting like our judge!
We'll treat you far worse than those other men!" And they lunged toward Lot to break down the door. But
the two angels reached out, pulled Lot into the house, and bolted the door. Then they blinded all the men,
young and old, who were at the door of the house, so they gave up trying to get inside.
This is where the bible just goes totally wrong. Everything about this story is so fucked up.
Did you miss the part where they were attempting to rape them?
amen!
LGBT+ PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE SHAMED OR REJECTED BECAUSE WERE ALL HUMANS REGARDLESS OF GENDER, RACE, SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR PAST.
ANTI-BIGOT HERE, WE'RE ALL EQUAL, WE ARE ALL PEOPLE AND LGBT+ PEOPLE AREN'T ANY DIFFERENT. THOSE WHO HAS HATE IN THEIR HEARTS ARE FOREVER DAMNED TO HELL.
"There is no fear in love and perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves the punishment of God. You will be perfect in love."
1 John 4:18
“Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.”
1 John 4:8
Key takeaway, Lot is a terrible dad
WHY WOULD GOD CREATE HOMOSEXUALS AND TELL THEM NOT TO PRACTICE HOMOSEXUALITY 😢😢😢 THATS SO UNFAIR
He didn’t have that happen to people they just turned to that, we need to see more videos like this
@@22finboy so you’re saying that if you let yourself, your tendency would be to have sex with your own sex but your faith keeps you from given into your desire for homosexual sex?
@@seamslatasha3598 we’ll one I don’t and yes because my love of god is stronger then other non family relationships
He created us to be us! All gender identities and sexual orientations are valid and not sinning. Only not believing in god is a sin.
@@infj_intovert_nerd Yes he created us but it is us who make are own personality
Never should God's truth be told by yelling and screaming at someone for their sin. Once again I am embarrassed for you like never before.
He's not screaming nor yelling ☠️
Ahhh, more reasons to completely ignore the bible entirely. If you can't prove the bible is actually the word of god, then why should i care about anything in the bible? And why would god create homosexuals if it was just going to punish them for the way it made them? It all seems like one group of people wrote a book that condemned all the things they didn't like and then just claimed it was the words of god.
Fr 💀
This isn't what the Bible says, the Bible is just an easy scapegoat for peoples biases.