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U forgot . mentioning about the PPL killed by so called peaceful community what about that ??? Who is responsible ??? She Just quoted what was written in the hadith and nothing else ????????
@@satyabanerji1982 Aur kya chaiye tereko bhai? At least someone dared to unearth the hypocrisy within so-called liberals that "Oh, Allah & Jesus are so pious, but it's okay to mock Hindu Gods as they are born only to get demonized or accept Atheism"
Screaming “Bomb” on aero plane filled with people is NOT freedom of speech. It is punishable crime. What zuber did was exactly like that. His actions has consequences and hence he got what he deserved. If someone gets away with 10 crimes ang get arrested for 11th doesn’t make him victim. Zuber is habitual offender. On the other hand, what Nupur said is 100% fact written in hades, spoken by multiple Muslims clerics including Zakir nail . Nupur is victim while Zuber is habitual criminal.Both can not be compared. Punishing zuber is justice.
Have you ever pondered why the Altnews, who started this, never Fact-checked Nupur's statement. Altnews who are always eager to fact check every statement of BJP, never attempted to do full fledged fact check write-up on Nupur's statement, neither Zubair who is ever ready to fact check smallest issue of BJP, never fact checked Nupur's statement, but rather left it to twitter public.(intention is doubtful) Have you ever pondered why news media are NOT able to say what words of Nupur insulted instead, they are just stating vaguely "Nupur has Insulted or was derogatory"!?, ....which itself is fake news. Because she just quoted the verses in the text. Anyway go through the Madras High Court judgement in 2019 in similar case. the Judgement said - ""Having an opinion on Prophet is not derogatory, FoE is not blasphemy’"
Being a liberal Hindu I do not get offended when somebody cracks a joke on my religion, But then people of other communities should also understand that when your house is made of glass you should not throw stones at your neighbors house
You are welcome to Crack any joke on my ancestors religion. Have fun while you are at it. In most Christian majority countries, your right to Crack jokes are protected by the state. People even do innovative things en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ?wprov=sfla1. Heck even Christ supports your right to make fun of him. He would rather say, those yee that never cracked a joke throws the first stone. Secularism was invented when Christians got fed up with centuries of bloodshed in the name of Christ.
If u don't get offended when someone crack a joke about your mom and if someone feel opposite what can we do? The fact is u don't care about God or life or death. Muslims takes it seriously. Thats the difference. It's not because you are kind hearted. Ok kid?
'I have issue against left liberalism which holds a selective view of the right to deliver or endure offense' That last sentence made my day. It often disappoints me when liberals (often self proclaimed) do that - It is just plain hypocrisy. It is increasingly becoming difficult for someone like me to express opinion in public because I either get bashed by the right or even worse cancelled/labelled by the left. We living in a horrible and extreme bipolar world.:/
Left liberals are hypocrites..NO DOUBT..right wing is hypocrite..ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT..a "left liberal" is put behind bars for hurting religious sentiments suo-moto on a single complaint by a now non-existent twitter handle, while eye candy of the right wing is walking free even after multiple FIRs and global uproar over same accusations..and very surprisingly, you chose to focus only on the hypocrisy of left liberals..I can see the intentions, loud and clear!!
@@sam83santy I agree with you . I have expectations on liberals as opposed to right wing and hence the disappointment. The way you came at me for an opinion I just shared about my genuine disappointment sums up my argument. Both of you (left and right) have created a war zone, there is no room for logic/common sense here it’s just a war of labeling watching and fighting over idealogical differences.
@@hemanthvarma007 you say you have no expectations off right wing and arent in support of them..and yet intentionally or unintentionally, knowingly or unknowingly, you right now are rationalizing the hypocrisy and double standards of the right wing by choosing to criticize left liberals, while it's the later that is being persecuted!! Explain that please!!
@@sam83santy this is so funny! This is what I don’t want get into, you want me to join your war on right wing! I have better things to do in life .You guys go fight each other….I’d rather have discussions with open minded sensible folks. There is absolutely no value addition in arguing with you. But as a suggestion please do read ‘why we are polarized’ by Ezra Klein - it’s a good read! Nice talking to you man!
I stand for Freedom of Speech. If what Mahua Moitra said on Goddess Kali is Facts and Freedom of Speech then what Nupuir Sharma said on Prophet Muhammad was also Facts and Freedom of Speech. How can you condemn one by defending the other in a Free Society ? Either you support both or condemn both !!! There can be no other stance, Unless you want to be called a Hypocrite.
Mahua Moitra justified the depiction with meat and alcohol statement, but same temple don't depict Kaali with bottle and meat in hand.(which is what being questioned about Canadian filmmaker's poster '"cigarette in hand") Mahua is confused with diversity of ritual and depiction. Ritual of giving is not same as depicting meat, cigarette or bottle in hand. Also left/liberal , Governments and Non governmental organisation spending millions of dollars against cigarette manufacturing lobby in Canada and America, but film maker is creating Goddess kaali as brand ambassador for cigarettes....irony in the name of creativity.
Simple - Mahua was pointing out the diversity of Hinduism in a civilized debate, Nupur was denigrating a religion in a hooligan manner in a shouting match. False equivalence. Nupur shouldn't be jailed, but sure as hell shouldn't be a spokesperson
@@gomezmilkin340 We are questioning cigarette depiction NOT temple diversity......Simple - Mahua was answering to a question with regards to "cigarette in hand" with a justification of diversity in Hinduism.(she created that equivalence). It's an flawed argument, why because, same temple which Mahuaa referred, don't depict meat and alcohol bottle in Ma Kaali's hand. She is confused between temple giving ritual and depiction of kaali. We are questioning depiction NOT temple diversity. By the way, for left/liberal now to talk of diversity is laughable because they opposed same diversity in sabrimala issue!
@@gomezmilkin340 well that becomes too interpretive depending in where you stand. Similarly, a bunch if hindus could feign hurt sentiments from Kali depiction. This hypocrisy has become so ingrained that anything said about islam or even Christianity is blasphemy but hindu is free for all. Seems like double standards to me.
She used word rape which is absolutely wrong and if maa Ayesha didn't have problem then why it is a problem for others.. After Prophet Muhammad death she spent her life as his Widow that shows her love and affection towards him so there is no point debating or calling out this as a problem, in fact she has quoted more number of hadith then any other companion and people used to gain knowledge from her
The 14 minute video points out some logical gaps in our laws, social media, and freedom of speech. 1. There needs to be a better legal remedy for blasphemy and more importantly - better definitions. As public figures, everyone is walking on a tightrope here 2. Yes, there is rising intolerance but we cannot forget that we have had riots over religious sentiments being hurt in the past. Rather than saying Hindus are being more intolerant - let's address the bigger issue here - social media is making cases of intolerance more visible and giving them a national spotlight. For good or for bad - is upto us to decide. 3. Hindus have always believed in critical analysis of our deities through art. Be it Yakshagana of Karnataka where dancers literally question and change popular events in our purans. We have welcomed criticism. But more often than not - the line between tasteful and distasteful criticism is blurred. Hindus have been the butt of the joke for a long time and many have grown tired of this cliché. Rather than being applauded for our openness, we have been punished in history. Time and time again. 4. The entire world is going through a turmoil. Be it economic, political, or otherwise. At this time, certain factions are using their own agendas to derogate not just the modi government - but India as a whole. That hurts geo-political relations. Thank you for this video Shekhar sir 🙏
Wow that's what I thought too👍 Islam has inherent problem as what they believe is that all non-believers are kafirs, and nobody can question their prophet
@Ashutosh Pandey why because you dumbos think so? Unlike you all the only thing that matters to me is balance. Either you accept both or reject both. Anything other than that is favouritism and goes against the concept of equality.
13:00 Shekar sir is right to point out that secular and liberal cannot be selective and subjective depending on who is hurt and who is not. If insulting Islam is blasphemy so is insulting any other religion. Moitra & leena cannot play victim card and talk liberty and freedom.
But if anyone offends hindu or hindu culture by mistake or knowingly or if Muslim questions hindu extremists in all these cases muslims are jailed But if a hindu does same against muslims with same intensity or more intensity, spreads hatred them why the rule of law is not appeared and why these extremists Hindus never go to jail
@@Saif_Ali_Khan_1301 lots of muslim leaders are not jailed over hate speaches and blasphemy too.. Is leena and mahua jailed? It has to do with political power. Many hindus are jailed for blaspheming islam... Before copy pasting whatsapp messages from islamists check the facts
Because Hindus themselves agree with naked images. U have images of your god naked in many temples. You have gurus sitting naked even in Indian assembly and Hindu MLAs coming and taking blessing. How can u even talk about morality
A simple apology from Nupur should have ended the matter but Zubair poured fuel into the fire. It is only fair that he too feels some of the heat. Either allow free discussion about all religions or none at all. There cannot be two sets of rules with one for Mahua/Zubair and the other for Nupur.
@@Vizorfam he did not support any one but you unnecessarily using hindutva word makes me think that left is uselessly creating social instability in our nation
@@naadanparinda9056 295A requires an intention to hurt religious sentiments. Nupur's statements were made in retaliation. Doesn't take a genius to figure out that they were meant to hurt religious sentiments. Zubair's posting of a pic from the movie (which had not enraged any religious sentiments so far) was not meant to hurt religious sentiments but instead was meant as a innocuous joke. Had the pic been blasphemous, the film would have already caused a lot of outrage. But no, even the Censor Board had no issues.
Exactly, as an athiest (which only Hinduism safely and institutionally provides for), we should be totally aware of mad medieval cults who claim for equality in pedestals of worldly religions, but actually try to establish superiority on ground by employing weird logics as in Zubair case.
On which they kill and if speak against killings they again kill. How any one supporting killings that too for Quoting Quran leaving abuser Rehamani as a hero
The selective criticism of the right by some of the so called left liberals, causes great harm to idea of liberalism. This was brilliantly put by Shekharji using the example of the current events.
@@sam83santy that would be a valid argument if it was used against someone who subscribes to cultural rw's political philosophy Here we have liberals lashing out against "liberals"
@@sam83santy I'm sorry this isn't a red herring fallecy but could you explain how op's comment relates to the cultural rw when the parameters of his comments were limited to the "liberals" 🙃
Zubair wanted this for Nupur. The only thing he forgot was that blasphemy is a two-way street. Blasphemy cannot be selective. He and Mahua cannot cry foul and change the rules of the game as and when it does NOT suit them. Hinduism is liberal religion but Islam and Liberalism are an OXYMORON. The "Ganga-Jamuni" tehzeeb itself is a myth. Hindus and Muslims have been fighting since the Muslim invasion. People like Zubair only flare up OLD WOUNDS. They deserve to be punished.
@@sankalp6872 Exactly! IfNupur sharma is not arrested why is zubair arrested? That summs up the policies of crooked Indian state & the extreme baised Indian judiciary.
If Hindu Gods n Goddesses - its FoE. If Islam - its "Sar Tan se juda"...This double standard is called Secularism in India. There is a secular left liberal cabal in indian media. Shekhar is the leader of Editors Guild.
This double standard is clear and present danger for the majority community. The SC is harsh on majority and conversely soft on minority offenses. And minorities beheaded random innocent people and SC blames it on Nupur Sharma. SC doesn't respect freedom of majority community to reply in a debate to an insult on Lord Shiva. We shudder to think when the population % of pissfuls increases to 40%. With 15 percent, the nation fear upheaval, at 40% we will have to surrender all our rights.
@@sam83santy But that sense of tolerance is not going to be intact if it is under constant attack. The tolerance of Hindus is seen as weakness and not given recognition by "liberal" media and academia alike, let alone respect it desrves. So, sooner or later, the thing which "liberals" refuses to recognize and respect, is going to get its life ended. And that's exactly what is happening in Bharat right now. Hindus have started saying enough is enough. The ball is in the court of "liberal" media and academia to mellow down Hindu anger by properly recognizing the quality of Hinduism for diversity to prosper on this land.
React or not react..she is guilty of exactly same "crime" as that "committed" by Mohammed zubair, I.e. hurting religious sentiments..and yet she walks free and ge languished in jail..and surprisingly enough you support Nupur Sharma while oppose the later..you may claim that it's freedom of expression that you stand for..but everyone sees that's a lie..there is no other reason for your stand that becomes apparent here apart from your abject and unconditional hatred for everything muslim and islamic, that's it!!
@@sam83santy, What made you say that I have hatred toward Islam and Muslims? Anyway, to elaborate on my first post, I have a feeling that you only watched the clip of Nupur Sharma. So, I suggest you see the whole debate or a video where the other person i.e Taslim Rehmani talks provocatively about a religion, to which Nupur Sharma reacted too. If you think she has made a mistake so does the person who made provoking comments on a religion i.e Taslim Rehmani. Now talking about Mohammed Zubair, he is the main person who is solely responsible to provoke citizens in the country. For what reason did he post a clip on Nupur Sharma, that to a selective clip, not the whole video, the intentions are pretty clear. In my opinion, these three members are guilty and should be prosecuted. Just like Mohammed Zubair don't be "selective" of the things bro.
Secularism in India is a one way street. India is secular because majority community is liberal. Decades of minority appeasement meant that the opportunity of imparting liberalism among Indian Muslims was lost, and maintaining secularism remained the burden of the majority community.
So should we also become as radical as them and not tolerate anything against our religion or Gods. In the process of hating Pakistan we are actually becoming like them completely radical and intolerant. What a progress to make!
Screaming “Bomb” on aero plane filled with people is NOT freedom of speech. It is punishable crime. What zuber did was exactly like that. His actions has consequences and hence he got what he deserved. If someone gets away with 10 crimes ang get arrested for 11th doesn’t make him victim. Zuber is habitual offender. On the other hand, what Nupur said is 100% fact written in hades, spoken by multiple Muslims clerics including Zakir nail . Nupur is victim while Zuber is habitual criminal.Both can not be compared. Punishing zuber is justice.
I don't agree that just because Hindus are more tolerant in the past and zoo bear was unaware of change of mood of public, he posted all jokes about hinduism... respect towards other religions should come naturally and inherently and not because someone is tolerant and not especially when you are yourself so sensitive and can't even afford a debate...then you shouldn't exploit others' sentiments just because they are tolerant...thats opportunism which is not good for a society... his intentions were truly not in the best interest of the country...it's foolishness to uphold your principles and ethics when the other group is creating mayhem in the country..If Hindus are reacting now then definitely they were pushed to the edge of tolerance
Usually our gods and also hindu as a whole are liberal and tolerant but when people from other religion mock our gods and say that their God is perfect then it's problem....really fed up with Hinduphobia masquerading as secularism
Rightly said, Blasphemy is an Abrahamic concept. If Blasphemy was a thing in our culture, Buddha and Mahavira would have lost their heads before they could spread their ideas.
Well, thankfully, Buddha and Mahavira were fortunate enough to keep their heads in place, but not many of their followers. There is no harm in learning history a little-bit...
@@National_issue81 You are 'quite' right, in the sense that the way religion is defined by the west-dominated scholarship, it does not mean a 'complete way of life', which Islam actually is. You can try to learn the meaning of the Quranic concept 'Ad-Deen' to understand what Islam is actually. There is no harm in learning, by the way.
@@mrir2008 Buddhists and Jainas were persecuted not because blasphemy is a tenet in Hindusim, but at the behest of the brahmins who had royal patronage who saw them as a challenge to their power. Many hindu kings actively funded and supported Buddhists viharas and also constructed jain temples too. In Islamic empires that was not the case. leave patronage, non-muslims were treated as dhimmis.
@@Vizorfam do u understand the meaning of response? And minorities - pls define. Muslims are now a minority because they are a vote bank... Real minorities are jains Buddhists, Sikhs.....
1. Sita ka chinal. 2. Krishna teri Geeta ko jalana hoga. 3. 19 vi shatabdi ka lampat Rishi. For rishi dayanand of arya samaj. That's why Arya Samajis printed Rangeela Rasool. No one knew about this book mainly because Muslims don't have any culture of reading book. It was Gandhi just like Zubair who wrote an article in newspaper targeting Rangeela Rasool and it's publisher and aimed the target at his neck. After which he was killed by ilmudin who was then considered Gazi by majority Muslims.
Very nicely done - covered all points including the traditional liberalism amongst Hindus & this new found activism. However you missed to point out Zubair selectively editing that tv show clip. He focused only on Nupur Sharma while in fact both participants should have been facing the consequences. Almost all media picked up this selective condemnation while Mr. Rehmani & others are still sitting pretty. This is likely one reason why Hindus are suddenly offended enough at the mockery of their Gods to take action whereas earlier, they would have just written an indignant letter to the Times or the Hindu.
He also tweeted about a Muslim scholar who say offensive language against Hindus and how could you bring that mocking hindu gods logic in favor of bjp do you know at the time of ram Mandir judgement there was a drawing viral on social media in which modi was holding hand of kid ram taking him to mandir isnt this insult of our gods
@@SunilKumar-rd2uk not relevant to the point I'm making. A TV show was edited to show only one person saying offensive things. A more balanced way would have been to show both participants & demanded that both face consequences. Separately tweeting about a little known 'Islamic' scholar that passed unnoticed doesn't compensate for the above.
@@Vizorfam What is Hindutva ????? we did not say anything against anyone yet untill Hindutva is a sansktrt world for Khatriya like me, before makign stupid comment, if you here infront me, i would have taught you good lesson,
Hindus , Buddhists etc get along fine in many countries with Christian and Jewish Majority People . In fact it's gotten to the point where some of these Hindus in India are MORE like Islamists when it comes to Blasphemy than the Christians and Jews are .
It is actually. Blasphemy is not a concept native to Hinduism. The mixture of Hinduism and blasphemy can be quite explosive tbh. When you start looking for reasons to get offended in a religion which in it's nature is very flexible and open to interpretation, you'll head only one way. Sadly Islamists by their reactions are pushing more and more Hindus towards this concept. In this context it's true that abrahamization of Hinduism has happened and this is dangerous. The only way to douse this fire is to return to liberal Hinduism and Muslims will have to play their part, they'll need to change.
Absolutely right, till now Hindus were easygoing but not anymore, as they get more assertive you will see Islamists will also get more aggressive, there will be a major confrontation in the coming times. Just like the Pakistani army who thought that they could just run over the Indian Army and were shocked when their belief was crushed not just once but repeatedly the radical Islamists will be seeing a new Hindu who are more determined and who cannot be taken for granted.
100 people of 100 different religions can live together but 95 people and 5 Muslim cannot. They will drag you down to their level of behavior and argument. Hindus starting to take offense is sad, but this desert cult leaves little option, unless of course laws are enforced perfectly. Blasphemy has no place in India. People who believe in blasphemy are welcome to move to countries where such laws exist. There is one nearby.
Very well articulated arguments Guptaji. It's not the blasphemous tweets by Zubair that bothers me, it's the duplicity and hypocrisy of the larger so called liberals does.... They have just pushed a tolerant religion on to the verge of becoming like Islam.... I hope it doesn't happen tho
@@anshuraj4277 Zubair was arrested not for his tweets but for him trying to destroy evidence, but of course his coterie won't say that. For example, he said that he has lost his phone but he used his old sim on his new phone. Consider this, he used his old sim, not a new sim with his old number, and of course his phone was formatted. Now, I'm not aware of any person who removes the sim of his phone beforehand knowing that it would be lost/robbed, unless of course the person is staging something. You don't need to believe me, every detail of his case, details and arguments of court proceedings are available online. You can check for yourself.
how is it selective ??? debunking facts cant have left or right he called out on mullas on channels and was amoung the first ..... talk about blind faith
See the blatant Hindu hatred that their heart bleeds for Zubair. The consideration given to Muslims who resorted to killing beheading is also not because they love Islam but again due to Hindu hatred.
I am amazed at the amnesia of media and politicians. Everybody is out to blame Nupur for her utterances against Islam but if you see the complete debate it was the other panelist (forgot his name) who actually started it. He first began to speak in a very derogatory manner about Shivling and then Nupur responded. What confuses me is that even supposed right-wing media is not highlighting this particular fact.
I agree with Shekar. His analysis is bang on on why he was arrested. He is an important mole in the Islamic left. It’s hardly liberal and he dog whistled to the Islamists. AlJazeera picked it up and blew it up in the Islamic world. Government just wanted to see if there is a grander plan and design to this. These are dangerous times to not investigate.
Your legendary ability to cloak the truth while telling facts is awesome. Perhaps you could have spelt out the fact that if Duratma Gandhi had not given justification for violence against Mahashay Rampal then it would not have taken place. Or how Rajiv Gandhi was the first to ban the Satanic Verses. Or how the Duratma never raised his voice against the Moplah riots or the Naokhali riots. Maybe you're saving it for a rainy day . Look forward to it.
Any of these foreign sponsored media has to toe the line set for them. Of late these media houses are talking with balanced view because the government is no more pseudo specular. Else, they would have continued with their concocted view to sully sanatan dharma.
i am for absolute freedom. but the way Pseudo liberals behaved i think he deserves it. i support both Nupur and Leena . you can like it, you can dislike it. you can even tell that yes i am offended, expressing your displeasure is also a freedom. but threatening someone is a big no. This is true Liberalism guys. and yes Even Print failed it this time, maybe because Sekhar is scared.
Don't try to show that you are a balanced liberal person. Nupur quoted what is written in hadiths, Leena showed a Goddess smoking. There's absolutely no comparison
Zubair's arrest is justified because of he spread a "doctored" version of Nupur's clip and the result is 2 horrible deaths related to it. Sar Taj Se Juda happening in India because of him People forgot that TIMES NOW debate and he rekindled it after 10 days or so.
Zubair very well knew what he's doing by throwing misleading allegations of blasphemy. He knows the impact of violent Muslim community and pressure of Muslim countries, and how it could strengthen Islamic blasphemy laws in India.
What I have observed in recent times is that us Hindus have become increasingly sensitive to remarks on our religious beliefs. It seems to be reactions to multiple insinuations and a general feeling that it is okay to mock the hindu faith while it is not okay to do so of other religions. Being multicultural , multilingual, multi religious country, there should be uniformity in dealing with such instances. Sometimes, it is not okay to poke the hibernating bear during winter to see if it wakes up. Not good for anybody or the country for that matter. Thank you for a nice video.
@@naturelover4148 Well so can you tell me why always Hindus/ Hindu religious practices/ Festivals are only targetted but the whole Left/Liberal/progressive society is always silent on Islam or Christianity???????? Well Eid is comming, let's watch how much social media awareness will happen regarding "Sacrifice of goats" 🙂🙂🙂🙂
@@manishkumarpandey9702 Looks like you got offended for some reason although I commented as a neutral person. This is the problem I mentioned where even a neutral person is considered leftist by right wing and rightist by left wing. Dono taraf se meko gali parta hai🤣
I am an illiterate Hindu, not as intellectual as Sekhar Gupta. I am just linking the dots of behavioral patterns of the Muslims of the Indian subcontinent from the last 1000 years of History to till today, to forecast the existence of Hinduism/Sanatani for the next only 200 years. India needs the strategy which the Buddhists of Myanmar took to Handle the "Peaceful community". otherwise, be aware!! the extinction of Hinduism is inevitable in India.
We can solve this without taking any arm's. First, stop bringing religion into politics to a large extent Second, treat radical groups from all religion by improving law and order
@@comparison-er2708 based on historical facts, who is more "Radical" among the below (only indian perspective)?? 1. Those, who think they are the most superior & others (Kafirs) deserve to hell? those, who demolished or transformed uncountable temples, Gurudawars?who did Forcefully mass conversion, do humiliate & make fun of others' beliefs/Gods, those, who killed people to demand a country based on religion?... & at last behead a innocent? OR 2. Those, who have been waiting for justice from the decayed Indian judiciary system to get back their right to worship their Gods whom were snatched cruelly from them for last 350, 500 or even 800 years? Those, who have endured the huge humiliation on TV debates of how the Muslims are making fun of 'Shiva linga' & are tempting others continuously? those, who have been tolerating the 'wuzu' that have been doing by the Muslims intentionally at the same place where the Hindus' "Shiva linga" is been situated? Those who have been tolerating all these humiliation for long long years, but despite of all, didn't "behead" a single Muslim, who didn't execute a single bomb blast in the Mosques or didn't compell the Muslims for an exodus from a 'Hindu majority area'?? Never ending list if one would dive deeper! Before any comment, please do some introspection for the sake of Humanity!! Indian Hindus need to be free from the nasty politics by keeping the Nation's interest first.
@@comparison-er2708 radical group from all religions?? Majority of radical group and terrorist in india and world is from Islam.. so Islam need reforms not hindus , Christian, bhuddist etc And about politics muslim vote a party as vote bank not us
@@ambedkarworriers6541 Hey my worry is even Hindus are taking the path of Islamic radicals l, which I want them to avoid. Win the war by making the other think like us(Indian philosophies)
And mr shekar, Hindus were tolerant then and now aren’t…. This statement I don’t agree with as a Hindu myself. We were scared to voice our concern earlier but now we aren’t, that’s the fact. Islam from the prophet may not be wrong, but Islam from these mullahs is dangerous to this planet. THAT needs a repair!!!
While you keep aiming your guns only to the islamic mullahs, the "mullahs" emerging in your own religion arent taking you on any other path islamic ones didnt take theirs'!! You won't realize it now, your future generation surely will!!
I support ABSOLUTE FREE SPEECH but it should apply for every community. For majority IT'S free SPEECH and for minority IT'S hate speech , is hypocrisy. 🇮🇳 DEMOCRACY 🇮🇳
But when you don’t have faith for my religion I hope you don’t have right to mock my religion….yes we believe in free thinking that doesn’t mean a follower of Abrahamic can crack joke on my deities and get offended if I do the same ….it is logical?
@@helpdeskvisaandimmigration8495 It is logical and that's why the outrage is growing. If I can't speak about your religion then u can't speak on mine. Zubair had to be shown his place. Simply because blasphemy cannot be applied one way. But in long run Hinduism is loosing the libraty it had. For this either you have to be like France or u need to throw out abrahamic religions.
I was planning to write a comment when I watched half way through this CTC. However, Shekhar ji explained whatever I wanted to write in 3rd YES section. One thing to add is that the 3rd YES (hypocrisy of left liberals) is actually fuelling 2nd NO (religious sensitivities among Hindus) which is unfortunate. It is due to the natural effect of Nash equilibrium.
Thankyou for putting in words what i have been feeling for several years now. As a Hindu, i pride on the tradition and freedom of logical questioning and reasoning about everything without shame or guilt. Secularism is a natural part of a logical mind. But this "opportunistic secularism" is a BIG problem and people (Hindus as well as Muslims) doing this are destroying our millenia old tolerant culture.
😂😂Have you read history? Islam was never tolerant. Read the history (TRUE) of islam. And further both hinduism and islam never existed in peace, there was always conflict and there can never be peace, what we are told is just to prevent any conflict but anyone who have read the history will know that hinduism and islam cannot stay together.
I have BIG complaint against Zubair for internationalising Nupur issue like this, this issue got useless hype and led to Udaipur and Amravati incident, Hindu groups will have more excuses to alienate muslims
Hindu group will have more excuse ?? Really ? U hv kost ur brain man. Leave aside this case. Tell me why there were more than 100 attacks on hindus while celebrating festival like RAM Navami, Ganesh Visarjan, Durga Pooja, etc. liberal Gangs said muslim were provoke due chanting and songs. I mean really so we can not celebrate festivals bcz it will provoke muslims.
13:00 Shekharji stating facts... I have same troubles with my fellow people who idenitify as Librals/ Leftists... If you are a liberal how the heck is religion forming a major chunk of your socio-political thinking??? shouldn't it be based on concepts of coming forward and out of problems holistically as HUMANS :|
Exactly, if you are a liberal why would you get defensive for one particular religion and have a soft spot for it and also how the heck are you choosing to fight on behalf of what's possibly the worst religion on this planet 🤣
@@vasudhabhandari8431 Agreed, however no religion is ever perfect as it is always driven by hearsay from people and we aren't really sure who the almighty is and what it wants. Saying Islam is bad isn't the solution nor does it make any sense cuz everything has pros and cons... for example what Hindus could learn from them is the UNITY that they pack in when someone points an ill finger at them.. and what they could learn is a bit of inclusivity and reprentative/creative freedom from Hinduism.
@@butimnotsid You are kinda right but still I make a clear distinction between pagan and abrahamic faiths. Hinduism isn't perfect but certainly nowhere as bad as Islam as well
The last few sentences summaries why I take offense as well. They selectively offend Hindu gods and goddesses while keeping religious symbols of Abrahamic religious on a pedestal. The consequences of this would that us Hindus would start to belittle our our culture and gods and slowly start to doubt everything.
I’m afraid that you have imbibed secularism so much that you implicitly hold the view that tolerance of other religions is essential. But tolerance is a condescending attitude: “ I don’t approve of your beliefs but will let it be.” What is important is mutual respect for each other’s beliefs. Islam doesn’t permit respecting other’s beliefs. Hindus responded to the bigotry and violent intolerance of the Muslims, within the framework of law. Be thankful that we Hindus have not yet resorted taking the law into their hands and to beheading non-believers. Fearing Islam and Muslims is common sense, not a psychiatric disease called islamophobia.
I don't think this tolerance of ours will last long .....when it will come for our survival our lives we will too resort to the most violent means someday .....this was never our culture this was never our religion but we have to do this to protect our religion and culture sar tan se juda will have only one answer of equally violent sar tan se juda ......can't Hindus be murderers they can be till this time they chose not to be but one they form their own militia it will be very unhealthy society to live in but it will happen in near future
he still didnt use the word islamic culture. he used ""abrahamic culture" he is scared if he does uses just islamic culture his sar will get juda from his tan. I dont see christians behead anyone for insulting jesus
It is not offensive because of a funny joke. It calls for action because of the intent behind it to knowingly demean an entire religion. They repeatedly and purposefully frame such comments and pass these as ‘jokes’. It is not about the statement but it’s the intent.
@@JiMishraJi how can you demean by stating a fact? If i said hindus are casteist, would that constitute as an offense? It's the muslims themselves goes around with the perfect example of muhammed and his life.
@@Lathi33 It is not the statement that demeans it, it’s the intent to do so which does. This intent reveals itself when you analyse the tone of the statement. Like the statement by Nupur, It is true and retaliatory in nature but the intent is to hurt back and demean the religion. Same goes for these ‘secular’ commentators and journalists. They assume they are above others that’s why the typical statement ‘Journalists shouldn’t be harassed because of their free speech.’ Why ? Are you above everyone else ? Why should you have free speech and not the regular Joe ?
@@JiMishraJi when a hindu is defending his religion, or even hinduthwavadis, most muslims and so called seculars uses casteism, just to demean his religion. Should we discuss the intent every time this happens too? It doesn't matter, you give free speach, everything goes, until you call for direct violence
@@J7pat7 well, if u see in India many old buildings have small tiles with gods images of all faith that is done to stop spiting on 🧱 that has never objected to by Indians rather appreciated but women like leena and moitra consider criticism of their filthy post as hatred is hypocrisy of another level
The Print has truly carved out it's niche in the political spectrum (very close to the centre delightfully) and it pretty much aligns with my own views, which is amazing because reading news can now be a little less frustrating of an experience. Thanks for the content!
Had this controversy over kali come up a couple of years ago I would have supported the director and stood up for FOE. After all that has been happening lately I don’t want to shed a tear for either the director or Mahua Moitra
Exactly, I am afraid Hinduism might lose its flexibility, If we didn't counter Islamism, Hinduism is bound to become Ultra-Radical, Govt. Of India should seriously look into this.
Hindus not taking offence for the past 60-70 years , doesn't mean they shouldn't take offence now !! They realised their mistake and trying to correct it 🤷🏼♂️
Sometimes neutrality can also be harmful...I am damn sure what SG said won't be accepted by the mainstream left-wing bcoz it doesn't suit their political agenda...So, acc. to them SG won't be considered neutral...
My God, spot on SG. Exactly the point of center Hindu, the selective anger. If instead of Shiva they had joked about Mohammad in PK? Also this Zuber guy his website is obsessed with Hindus and BJP with barely 5% other content yet he creates this Nupur Sharma issue out of nowhere hurting Indian interests. Yet he is somehow secular and liberal... What a joke.
Hinduism is far far more liberal than any other abrahamic religion. But constant islamist and psudo-sekular attacks are forcing it to use abrahamic tactics.
Mr/Mrs Word.exe......She added secularism in our preamble but article related to secularism were already there in our original constitution.....also Jai Siya Ram! Before you label me!! In that case... don't!
The Hindu outrage over insult to Hindu Gods is not an outrage over that itself but more about them "getting back" at those who get offended by insulting Islam and attack people who do so . The problem with many of these Hindus is their inability to argue as you did and from taking the side of freedom of expression and how that includes Blasphemy . This is exactly what France did in response to attacks from Islamists because of things like Cartoons . They did not respond with "you can't insult christianity" . they responded with a defense of Freedom of Expression and supported showing more of those cartoons .
Yes , you are so right in saying that State should not defend a particular religion against another barbaric religion which calls for beheading other people from a different religion. 👎 MY ANSWER IS ALSO NO TO YOUR PRINT
Such a well articulated argument in favor of Zubbair. But few days back you did CTC on Kanhaiya lal, there you just jumped from country to country on their blasphemy laws and religious extremism.. sab kuch gol gol ghuma diya but never dared to say anything in favor of Kanhaiya lal and against the so called peaceful religion. Sham on you and your UNBIASED UNHYPHENATED JOURNALISM..
Abrahamization of the Hindu religion is natural as people are seeing what's happening out there and they are bound to pick some bad habits out there. And there is a big political gains for few parties to fiddle with this.
Being logical is right to the extent when you are dealing and living with logical people's but when you are dealing with mindless cunning fanatic cannibals being logical is offering to become fodder so called bhai " Chaara"
Standing ovation. This is by far the best episode of National Interest ever. It is absolutely amazing and shows us how to be civilized and not hypocritical
Thats the great point, I am a Hindu and I am not offended when someone compare my God with fountain and other objects but how come the other religion says they are offended when one is speaking something from their holy book. I consider my religion and other religions as holy, then why was this kind of terror and drama all around. If they are true worshippers of God then we are too. No one has the right to keep their beleive on the top of others.
Sir, as much as i know he is arrested because of the order of the court... And also you didn't said a single word about the foreign funding he was getting from Islamic countries. I was expecting that point
Zubair is the same person who despirately wanted blasphemy charge against Nupur sharma but he himself forgot to remove his own hinduphobic posts 😂 now face the law.
Here according to Shekar Gupta, because Hindus are relatively wealthy .. They were brutally murdered by Moplas ( Muslims )..during khilaphat movement..
Shekhar ji can’t believe your honest appraisal for a change even though you kept harping on how strongly you support Kattar Zubair who tries to masquerade as a liberal secularist
Just to make things clear: Gandhi not only did not criticize the book but also said that muslims should punish those who write such books.While books which mocked Hinduism was considered as freedom of expression by him. Action was taken against the author only after article from Gandhi. Same is the case with Zubair. Although he did not call for violence he knew what the consequences of his actions will be as there have been previous such cases. P.S.:In both cases things said by the Hindu side were factual but the same can not be said about what is being said from the other side.
For the first time Shekar has expressed in clear terms - his resentment against Left Liberals. Though it may be one off and rightfully so he should stick with this and create a story to please them. He may be branded as Bhakt too but should maintain the stand. Also the Print Team should spare a thought on general public who denounce the predatory nature of Left Liberals but are branded Bhakts just because it discomforts their beliefs.
This Zubair should be charged with Treason as well. He first dog whistled the mob and then was all too eager to turn Middle Eastern countries against India and volunteered to give information which in his mind would cause the most embarrassment and harm to India.
Shekhar's third argument is precisely the problem with the left. There's either an insensitivity towards one religion or/and at the same time, a 'bigotry of low expectations' from a minority religion. That is what is causing the present 'Abrahamization' of Hindus, as Shekhar termed it. I am concerned about my community(Hindus), but where do I lay the blame? It seems, unfortunately, that it must lay at the doorstep of the so-called liberal intelligentsia...What a shame!
Once in IIT Kharagpur I remember a girl asked she wants to wear a undergarment made of Indian flag and slippers of Jai shree krishna if God is everywhere what is the problem is female secretion is bad. I said no why don't you wear your parent's picture on your panty they might also feel nice and your parent's picture on your slippers they might feel they are traveling with you. You might even feel they are showing love to your secretions.
Very balanced and conscientious stand and well articulated by Mr Gupta. Bravo, Sir! This is exactly what the BJP is asking. Apply laws uniformly and take a principled stand. No shameless pandering to minorities in the name of their votes. We also need uniform civil code for the same reasons.
Outrageous, Shekhar Ji as a non-bias journalist makes an episode once Zubair goes into Jail. But no episode to condemn the idiotic "Sar Tan Se Juda" rhetoric when Kanhyalal was murdered.
In my opinion zubair is not leftist. He is an Islamist disguised as leftist. You are right gupta ji if he was liberal then he wouldn't have edited rehmani's part.
Wow Shekhar you have some guts to tell that zubair is no culprit because for many years Hindus have not objected to derogatory remarks on our gods hence he thought this time too no one will speak. Rather you should say to those who have been making comments for many years on Hinduism to apologise, but no you only have guts to stand against Hindus and not muslim
@14:00 I have a serious issue however with so called left liberalism which holds selective view on the right to deliver or endure offense. Perfect expression that says it’s pseudo secularism rather than secularism. Liberals know this very well but they’re afraid of losing vote bank. This is why India is not going to have secular society in near future. I hope India doesn’t become Abrahamic though. Thank you 🙏🏽 SG sir
Say what ever you want to about Hinduism and our Gods make fun. No problem. But let us say and talk facts written about Mohammad and Islam in Hadis. The fact is that Prophet did Mary a minor girl. That is what Nupur Sharma did and Mohd Zubair sprayed petrol over the fire. He needs Togo to jail.
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U forgot . mentioning about the PPL killed by so called peaceful community what about that ??? Who is responsible ??? She Just quoted what was written in the hadith and nothing else ????????
With such opinion, I would rather pay opindia than print.
@@satyabanerji1982 Aur kya chaiye tereko bhai?
At least someone dared to unearth the hypocrisy within so-called liberals that "Oh, Allah & Jesus are so pious, but it's okay to mock Hindu Gods as they are born only to get demonized or accept Atheism"
Screaming “Bomb” on aero plane filled with people is NOT freedom of speech. It is punishable crime. What zuber did was exactly like that. His actions has consequences and hence he got what he deserved. If someone gets away with 10 crimes ang get arrested for 11th doesn’t make him victim. Zuber is habitual offender. On the other hand, what Nupur said is 100% fact written in hades, spoken by multiple Muslims clerics including Zakir nail . Nupur is victim while Zuber is habitual criminal.Both can not be compared. Punishing zuber is justice.
Have you ever pondered why the Altnews, who started this, never Fact-checked Nupur's statement.
Altnews who are always eager to fact check every statement of BJP, never attempted to do full fledged fact check write-up on Nupur's statement, neither Zubair who is ever ready to fact check smallest issue of BJP, never fact checked Nupur's statement, but rather left it to twitter public.(intention is doubtful)
Have you ever pondered why news media are NOT able to say what words of Nupur insulted instead, they are just stating vaguely "Nupur has Insulted or was derogatory"!?, ....which itself is fake news.
Because she just quoted the verses in the text.
Anyway go through the Madras High Court judgement in 2019 in similar case. the Judgement said - ""Having an opinion on Prophet is not derogatory, FoE is not blasphemy’"
Being a liberal Hindu I do not get offended when somebody cracks a joke on my religion, But then people of other communities should also understand that when your house is made of glass you should not throw stones at your neighbors house
Completely agree 💯
Exactly. Secularism is not jus our duty.
You are welcome to Crack any joke on my ancestors religion. Have fun while you are at it. In most Christian majority countries, your right to Crack jokes are protected by the state. People even do innovative things en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ?wprov=sfla1. Heck even Christ supports your right to make fun of him. He would rather say, those yee that never cracked a joke throws the first stone. Secularism was invented when Christians got fed up with centuries of bloodshed in the name of Christ.
i fully agree and our journalists should also understand the same
If u don't get offended when someone crack a joke about your mom and if someone feel opposite what can we do? The fact is u don't care about God or life or death. Muslims takes it seriously. Thats the difference. It's not because you are kind hearted. Ok kid?
'I have issue against left liberalism which holds a selective view of the right to deliver or endure offense' That last sentence made my day. It often disappoints me when liberals (often self proclaimed) do that - It is just plain hypocrisy. It is increasingly becoming difficult for someone like me to express opinion in public because I either get bashed by the right or even worse cancelled/labelled by the left. We living in a horrible and extreme bipolar world.:/
The last sentence... Was too less too late...
Left liberals are hypocrites..NO DOUBT..right wing is hypocrite..ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT..a "left liberal" is put behind bars for hurting religious sentiments suo-moto on a single complaint by a now non-existent twitter handle, while eye candy of the right wing is walking free even after multiple FIRs and global uproar over same accusations..and very surprisingly, you chose to focus only on the hypocrisy of left liberals..I can see the intentions, loud and clear!!
@@sam83santy I agree with you . I have expectations on liberals as opposed to right wing and hence the disappointment. The way you came at me for an opinion I just shared about my genuine disappointment sums up my argument. Both of you (left and right) have created a war zone, there is no room for logic/common sense here it’s just a war of labeling watching and fighting over idealogical differences.
@@hemanthvarma007 you say you have no expectations off right wing and arent in support of them..and yet intentionally or unintentionally, knowingly or unknowingly, you right now are rationalizing the hypocrisy and double standards of the right wing by choosing to criticize left liberals, while it's the later that is being persecuted!! Explain that please!!
@@sam83santy this is so funny! This is what I don’t want get into, you want me to join your war on right wing! I have better things to do in life .You guys go fight each other….I’d rather have discussions with open minded sensible folks. There is absolutely no value addition in arguing with you.
But as a suggestion please do read ‘why we are polarized’ by Ezra Klein - it’s a good read!
Nice talking to you man!
I stand for Freedom of Speech. If what Mahua Moitra said on Goddess Kali is Facts and Freedom of Speech then what Nupuir Sharma said on Prophet Muhammad was also Facts and Freedom of Speech.
How can you condemn one by defending the other in a Free Society ? Either you support both or condemn both !!! There can be no other stance, Unless you want to be called a Hypocrite.
Mahua Moitra justified the depiction with meat and alcohol statement, but same temple don't depict Kaali with bottle and meat in hand.(which is what being questioned about Canadian filmmaker's poster '"cigarette in hand")
Mahua is confused with diversity of ritual and depiction. Ritual of giving is not same as depicting meat, cigarette or bottle in hand.
Also left/liberal , Governments and Non governmental organisation spending millions of dollars against cigarette manufacturing lobby in Canada and America, but film maker is creating Goddess kaali as brand ambassador for cigarettes....irony in the name of creativity.
Simple - Mahua was pointing out the diversity of Hinduism in a civilized debate, Nupur was denigrating a religion in a hooligan manner in a shouting match. False equivalence.
Nupur shouldn't be jailed, but sure as hell shouldn't be a spokesperson
@@gomezmilkin340 We are questioning cigarette depiction NOT temple diversity......Simple - Mahua was answering to a question with regards to "cigarette in hand" with a justification of diversity in Hinduism.(she created that equivalence).
It's an flawed argument, why because, same temple which Mahuaa referred, don't depict meat and alcohol bottle in Ma Kaali's hand. She is confused between temple giving ritual and depiction of kaali. We are questioning depiction NOT temple diversity.
By the way, for left/liberal now to talk of diversity is laughable because they opposed same diversity in sabrimala issue!
@@gomezmilkin340 well that becomes too interpretive depending in where you stand. Similarly, a bunch if hindus could feign hurt sentiments from Kali depiction. This hypocrisy has become so ingrained that anything said about islam or even Christianity is blasphemy but hindu is free for all. Seems like double standards to me.
She used word rape which is absolutely wrong and if maa Ayesha didn't have problem then why it is a problem for others.. After Prophet Muhammad death she spent her life as his Widow that shows her love and affection towards him so there is no point debating or calling out this as a problem, in fact she has quoted more number of hadith then any other companion and people used to gain knowledge from her
The 14 minute video points out some logical gaps in our laws, social media, and freedom of speech.
1. There needs to be a better legal remedy for blasphemy and more importantly - better definitions. As public figures, everyone is walking on a tightrope here
2. Yes, there is rising intolerance but we cannot forget that we have had riots over religious sentiments being hurt in the past. Rather than saying Hindus are being more intolerant - let's address the bigger issue here - social media is making cases of intolerance more visible and giving them a national spotlight. For good or for bad - is upto us to decide.
3. Hindus have always believed in critical analysis of our deities through art. Be it Yakshagana of Karnataka where dancers literally question and change popular events in our purans. We have welcomed criticism. But more often than not - the line between tasteful and distasteful criticism is blurred. Hindus have been the butt of the joke for a long time and many have grown tired of this cliché. Rather than being applauded for our openness, we have been punished in history. Time and time again.
4. The entire world is going through a turmoil. Be it economic, political, or otherwise. At this time, certain factions are using their own agendas to derogate not just the modi government - but India as a whole. That hurts geo-political relations.
Thank you for this video Shekhar sir 🙏
Well said abhi and Niyu People are taking Tolerance of Hindus as their weakness
Spot on 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Yes... thanks for this video. Again coming up with shrewd method to cover up the offender. that's shekhar anyway...
Wow that's what I thought too👍 Islam has inherent problem as what they believe is that all non-believers are kafirs, and nobody can question their prophet
I am not even religious. Infact I am usually against the gods. But this blatant selectivity must stop. Period. Either choose both or none.
The poster director isn't Indian
@Ashutosh Pandey why because you dumbos think so? Unlike you all the only thing that matters to me is balance. Either you accept both or reject both. Anything other than that is favouritism and goes against the concept of equality.
You and me both..
@@anshuraj4277 the poster director is an Indian Tamil. She has gone to Canada on a student visa. 😂
@@lv8520
She is Indian...yes but u r not gonna get deportation on Blasphemy charge
13:00 Shekar sir is right to point out that secular and liberal cannot be selective and subjective depending on who is hurt and who is not. If insulting Islam is blasphemy so is insulting any other religion. Moitra & leena cannot play victim card and talk liberty and freedom.
But if anyone offends hindu or hindu culture by mistake or knowingly or if Muslim questions hindu extremists in all these cases muslims are jailed
But if a hindu does same against muslims with same intensity or more intensity, spreads hatred them why the rule of law is not appeared and why these extremists Hindus never go to jail
@@Saif_Ali_Khan_1301 muslim is jailed but hindus r killed before jail by muslims
@@Saif_Ali_Khan_1301 lots of muslim leaders are not jailed over hate speaches and blasphemy too.. Is leena and mahua jailed? It has to do with political power. Many hindus are jailed for blaspheming islam... Before copy pasting whatsapp messages from islamists check the facts
Why would u send a deadbody to jail ?
@@Saif_Ali_Khan_1301 do you know this for a fact or are you stating what you see in social media?
When Hindu gods are insulted - Creative freedom...
When Muslim Prohept insulted - Fringe element
"Allah fearing atheism, beef eating veganism, iPhone using communism"
This is what it called bigotry my friend
Because Hindus themselves agree with naked images. U have images of your god naked in many temples. You have gurus sitting naked even in Indian assembly and Hindu MLAs coming and taking blessing. How can u even talk about morality
@@khabibnurmagamadov29-03 so you saying this are facts about hinduism, then what zakir naik says are also facts. Have guts to listen
@@khabibnurmagamadov29-03 I like to worship naked gods. All I read is Kama sutra all day. Got a problem? If yes, then this country is not for you
A simple apology from Nupur should have ended the matter but Zubair poured fuel into the fire. It is only fair that he too feels some of the heat. Either allow free discussion about all religions or none at all. There cannot be two sets of rules with one for Mahua/Zubair and the other for Nupur.
@@Vizorfam he did not support any one but you unnecessarily using hindutva word makes me think that left is uselessly creating social instability in our nation
Yeah there are two sets of rules. One in jail for what isn't even blasphemy, another still roaming free for deliberate blasphemy.
"Allah fearing atheism, beef eating veganism, iPhone using communism"
@@anonymous_4276 who decides what's blasphemy and what's not? Go check out the rule books before making sanctimonious cribbing statements.
@@naadanparinda9056 295A requires an intention to hurt religious sentiments. Nupur's statements were made in retaliation. Doesn't take a genius to figure out that they were meant to hurt religious sentiments. Zubair's posting of a pic from the movie (which had not enraged any religious sentiments so far) was not meant to hurt religious sentiments but instead was meant as a innocuous joke. Had the pic been blasphemous, the film would have already caused a lot of outrage. But no, even the Censor Board had no issues.
Perfect, as a Hindu I am fine with atheism and secularism, not okay to abuse only my God.
Exactly, as an athiest (which only Hinduism safely and institutionally provides for), we should be totally aware of mad medieval cults who claim for equality in pedestals of worldly religions, but actually try to establish superiority on ground by employing weird logics as in Zubair case.
On which they kill and if speak against killings they again kill. How any one supporting killings that too for Quoting Quran leaving abuser Rehamani as a hero
The selective criticism of the right by some of the so called left liberals, causes great harm to idea of liberalism. This was brilliantly put by Shekharji using the example of the current events.
They are neither left nor liberal. They are just hypocrites. Being a liberal Hindu I stand with both Nupur Sharma and Mohd Zubair.
@@naturelover4148 same here.
Zubair was arrested bcuse of a funding issue ryt?
@@naturelover4148 I was an ex liberal hindu
@@sam83santy that would be a valid argument if it was used against someone who subscribes to cultural rw's political philosophy
Here we have liberals lashing out against "liberals"
@@sam83santy I'm sorry this isn't a red herring fallecy but could you explain how op's comment relates to the cultural rw when the parameters of his comments were limited to the "liberals" 🙃
Zubair wanted this for Nupur. The only thing he forgot was that blasphemy is a two-way street. Blasphemy cannot be selective. He and Mahua cannot cry foul and change the rules of the game as and when it does NOT suit them. Hinduism is liberal religion but Islam and Liberalism are an OXYMORON. The "Ganga-Jamuni" tehzeeb itself is a myth. Hindus and Muslims have been fighting since the Muslim invasion. People like Zubair only flare up OLD WOUNDS. They deserve to be punished.
But how is posting a SS of a movie approved by censor board blasphemous?
@@roflkohli2853 How is quoting exact lines from Hadith BLASPHEMOUS?
@@roflkohli2853 nothing blasphemous about that. He has done enough to cause rampant murders in the country.
@@sankalp6872 Exactly! IfNupur sharma is not arrested why is zubair arrested? That summs up the policies of crooked Indian state & the extreme baised Indian judiciary.
@@estellegabrielle1594 So according to bhakts the person bringing out hate speech is responsible for the reaction of hate speech? LOL
If Hindu Gods n Goddesses - its FoE. If Islam - its "Sar Tan se juda"...This double standard is called Secularism in India. There is a secular left liberal cabal in indian media. Shekhar is the leader of Editors Guild.
@@Vizorfam I can file a section 295A complaint based on this cmnt alone
@@Akashkumar-oi7qt man this db is puking everywhere in this video comment section
@@tushar-lf8eu He is from peaceful community thats why
Lets not forget Shekhar Gupta's son was a recipient of Diwali Gift in forex from AW Helicopter Manufacturer.
@@ajayphadke1211 yeah now you see him suspicious because he does not conform to your idea of left liberalism
Bashing Hindu is Freedom of Speech, but the same thing for other religions is Blasphemy.That is Indian secular system.
This double standard is clear and present danger for the majority community.
The SC is harsh on majority and conversely soft on minority offenses.
And minorities beheaded random innocent people and SC blames it on Nupur Sharma. SC doesn't respect freedom of majority community to reply in a debate to an insult on Lord Shiva.
We shudder to think when the population % of pissfuls increases to 40%.
With 15 percent, the nation fear upheaval, at 40% we will have to surrender all our rights.
Bashing Hindu gets you Mob lynched to death and bashing Muslims gets you killed too
Stupid in both cases.
good. one point Hinduism has above other religions. so be proud of it.
That's your rotten mind..
@@sam83santy But that sense of tolerance is not going to be intact if it is under constant attack. The tolerance of Hindus is seen as weakness and not given recognition by "liberal" media and academia alike, let alone respect it desrves. So, sooner or later, the thing which "liberals" refuses to recognize and respect, is going to get its life ended. And that's exactly what is happening in Bharat right now. Hindus have started saying enough is enough. The ball is in the court of "liberal" media and academia to mellow down Hindu anger by properly recognizing the quality of Hinduism for diversity to prosper on this land.
When tolerance is seen as weakness and accommodation as lack of spine, you are in a situation which needs corrective action. This is the core issue.
well said
Very well said
Nupur Sharma reacted to a person who commented on Hindu Gods, why are people missing that??? And I differ from your views regarding Mohd Zubair.
React or not react..she is guilty of exactly same "crime" as that "committed" by Mohammed zubair, I.e. hurting religious sentiments..and yet she walks free and ge languished in jail..and surprisingly enough you support Nupur Sharma while oppose the later..you may claim that it's freedom of expression that you stand for..but everyone sees that's a lie..there is no other reason for your stand that becomes apparent here apart from your abject and unconditional hatred for everything muslim and islamic, that's it!!
@@sam83santy, What made you say that I have hatred toward Islam and Muslims? Anyway, to elaborate on my first post, I have a feeling that you only watched the clip of Nupur Sharma. So, I suggest you see the whole debate or a video where the other person i.e Taslim Rehmani talks provocatively about a religion, to which Nupur Sharma reacted too. If you think she has made a mistake so does the person who made provoking comments on a religion i.e Taslim Rehmani. Now talking about Mohammed Zubair, he is the main person who is solely responsible to provoke citizens in the country. For what reason did he post a clip on Nupur Sharma, that to a selective clip, not the whole video, the intentions are pretty clear. In my opinion, these three members are guilty and should be prosecuted. Just like Mohammed Zubair don't be "selective" of the things bro.
Taslim Rehmani started it.
Secularism in India is a one way street. India is secular because majority community is liberal. Decades of minority appeasement meant that the opportunity of imparting liberalism among Indian Muslims was lost, and maintaining secularism remained the burden of the majority community.
"Allah fearing atheism, beef eating veganism, iPhone using communism"
So should we also become as radical as them and not tolerate anything against our religion or Gods. In the process of hating Pakistan we are actually becoming like them completely radical and intolerant. What a progress to make!
Screaming “Bomb” on aero plane filled with people is NOT freedom of speech. It is punishable crime. What zuber did was exactly like that. His actions has consequences and hence he got what he deserved. If someone gets away with 10 crimes ang get arrested for 11th doesn’t make him victim. Zuber is habitual offender. On the other hand, what Nupur said is 100% fact written in hades, spoken by multiple Muslims clerics including Zakir nail . Nupur is victim while Zuber is habitual criminal.Both can not be compared. Punishing zuber is justice.
Muslim can mock Hindus.
But Hindus can't mock Muslims.
If Hindu mocks, सर तन से जुदा।
हम तो सिर्फ FIR कर रहे है।।
Reply ho gulmarg society ki saja gulmarg society ki saja
hatemongering zombies have overrun the country at an industrial scale.
@@tanmoymondal5721 , i know Godhara Train burning.
Rest was reaction & after that nothing happened for 20 years.
Only peace, investment, development.
I don't agree that just because Hindus are more tolerant in the past and zoo bear was unaware of change of mood of public, he posted all jokes about hinduism... respect towards other religions should come naturally and inherently and not because someone is tolerant and not especially when you are yourself so sensitive and can't even afford a debate...then you shouldn't exploit others' sentiments just because they are tolerant...thats opportunism which is not good for a society... his intentions were truly not in the best interest of the country...it's foolishness to uphold your principles and ethics when the other group is creating mayhem in the country..If Hindus are reacting now then definitely they were pushed to the edge of tolerance
He didn't mock any religion
@@anshuraj4277 he incited violence with edited video clipping without clearly saying that the reference in the video is a fact.
@@lv8520
It wasn't edited
Noopor said it
Usually our gods and also hindu as a whole are liberal and tolerant but when people from other religion mock our gods and say that their God is perfect then it's problem....really fed up with Hinduphobia masquerading as secularism
I too have prblm with secularism
Rightly said, Blasphemy is an Abrahamic concept. If Blasphemy was a thing in our culture, Buddha and Mahavira would have lost their heads before they could spread their ideas.
Well Islam needs a different treatment as it’s no more a religion
Well, thankfully, Buddha and Mahavira were fortunate enough to keep their heads in place, but not many of their followers. There is no harm in learning history a little-bit...
@@mrir2008history compiled by leftist historians , waah bhai waah brain washed to the core.
@@National_issue81 You are 'quite' right, in the sense that the way religion is defined by the west-dominated scholarship, it does not mean a 'complete way of life', which Islam actually is. You can try to learn the meaning of the Quranic concept 'Ad-Deen' to understand what Islam is actually. There is no harm in learning, by the way.
@@mrir2008 Buddhists and Jainas were persecuted not because blasphemy is a tenet in Hindusim, but at the behest of the brahmins who had royal patronage who saw them as a challenge to their power.
Many hindu kings actively funded and supported Buddhists viharas and also constructed jain temples too.
In Islamic empires that was not the case. leave patronage, non-muslims were treated as dhimmis.
Rangeela rasool was in response to two blasphemous books one of which was on Sita mata
@@Vizorfam do u understand the meaning of response? And minorities - pls define. Muslims are now a minority because they are a vote bank... Real minorities are jains Buddhists, Sikhs.....
3 actually.
I remember on, i think it was named sita ka chinala, what were the others?
1. Sita ka chinal.
2. Krishna teri Geeta ko jalana hoga.
3. 19 vi shatabdi ka lampat Rishi. For rishi dayanand of arya samaj.
That's why Arya Samajis printed Rangeela Rasool. No one knew about this book mainly because Muslims don't have any culture of reading book.
It was Gandhi just like Zubair who wrote an article in newspaper targeting Rangeela Rasool and it's publisher and aimed the target at his neck. After which he was killed by ilmudin who was then considered Gazi by majority Muslims.
He won't tell this or else the whole islamic innocence argument would become invalid 🙂
Very nicely done - covered all points including the traditional liberalism amongst Hindus & this new found activism. However you missed to point out Zubair selectively editing that tv show clip. He focused only on Nupur Sharma while in fact both participants should have been facing the consequences. Almost all media picked up this selective condemnation while Mr. Rehmani & others are still sitting pretty. This is likely one reason why Hindus are suddenly offended enough at the mockery of their Gods to take action whereas earlier, they would have just written an indignant letter to the Times or the Hindu.
He also tweeted about a Muslim scholar who say offensive language against Hindus and how could you bring that mocking hindu gods logic in favor of bjp do you know at the time of ram Mandir judgement there was a drawing viral on social media in which modi was holding hand of kid ram taking him to mandir isnt this insult of our gods
@@SunilKumar-rd2uk not relevant to the point I'm making. A TV show was edited to show only one person saying offensive things. A more balanced way would have been to show both participants & demanded that both face consequences. Separately tweeting about a little known 'Islamic' scholar that passed unnoticed doesn't compensate for the above.
@@degreekaapi you haven't read my whole comment I said its not relevant in favor of bjp
@@SunilKumar-rd2uk jaa apni maa ko bhej de zubair k pass itna sahi hai zubair to mc ...dhimmi bastard
Well. There is a big difference because she was a BJP spokesperson. She has some standing. So cannot shoot her mouth off
Forcing dharmic faiths to coexist with Abrahmic faiths is like forcing antelopes to coexist with big cats.
So what now?
Looks you been living in a cave.
@@Vizorfam What is Hindutva ????? we did not say anything against anyone yet untill Hindutva is a sansktrt world for Khatriya like me, before makign stupid comment, if you here infront me, i would have taught you good lesson,
@@Vizorfam kashmiri pandits committed suicide according to you
Hindus , Buddhists etc get along fine in many countries with Christian and Jewish Majority People . In fact it's gotten to the point where some of these Hindus in India are MORE like Islamists when it comes to Blasphemy than the Christians and Jews are .
Their is no ebrahimisation of Hindus. This is reaction for taking easygoing people for granted 🙏.
It is actually. Blasphemy is not a concept native to Hinduism. The mixture of Hinduism and blasphemy can be quite explosive tbh. When you start looking for reasons to get offended in a religion which in it's nature is very flexible and open to interpretation, you'll head only one way.
Sadly Islamists by their reactions are pushing more and more Hindus towards this concept. In this context it's true that abrahamization of Hinduism has happened and this is dangerous.
The only way to douse this fire is to return to liberal Hinduism and Muslims will have to play their part, they'll need to change.
Well it's pretty clear actually that that's just an excuse for abrahamization of hinduism!! You cannot have a cake and eat it too!!
@@kvineet631 True
Absolutely right, till now Hindus were easygoing but not anymore, as they get more assertive you will see Islamists will also get more aggressive, there will be a major confrontation in the coming times. Just like the Pakistani army who thought that they could just run over the Indian Army and were shocked when their belief was crushed not just once but repeatedly the radical Islamists will be seeing a new Hindu who are more determined and who cannot be taken for granted.
100 people of 100 different religions can live together but 95 people and 5 Muslim cannot. They will drag you down to their level of behavior and argument. Hindus starting to take offense is sad, but this desert cult leaves little option, unless of course laws are enforced perfectly. Blasphemy has no place in India. People who believe in blasphemy are welcome to move to countries where such laws exist. There is one nearby.
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Very well articulated arguments Guptaji. It's not the blasphemous tweets by Zubair that bothers me, it's the duplicity and hypocrisy of the larger so called liberals does.... They have just pushed a tolerant religion on to the verge of becoming like Islam.... I hope it doesn't happen tho
Even I hope the same 😥
He didn't tweet anything offensive
@@anshuraj4277 That's, just, like your opinion man.
@@loanewbie9130
He didn't though
Film was released and approved by censor bord
That Kali poster is indeed offensive
But the director isn't Indian
@@anshuraj4277 Zubair was arrested not for his tweets but for him trying to destroy evidence, but of course his coterie won't say that. For example, he said that he has lost his phone but he used his old sim on his new phone. Consider this, he used his old sim, not a new sim with his old number, and of course his phone was formatted. Now, I'm not aware of any person who removes the sim of his phone beforehand knowing that it would be lost/robbed, unless of course the person is staging something.
You don't need to believe me, every detail of his case, details and arguments of court proceedings are available online. You can check for yourself.
its a YES, YES and YES. liberalism is a two way street. AlT news cant use secularism selectively, nor fame can be used like Zubair and Bollywood.
how is it selective ??? debunking facts cant have left or right he called out on mullas on channels and was amoung the first ..... talk about blind faith
@@ayaanmukherjee4701 by editing NS times now clip, thats selective.
@@sachinsuri she made the same statement in 3 different channels on the same day.
@@elliotalderson2007 So what?
Agree
Zubair shouldn't have used the word blasphemy. We all know when you accuse someone of blasphemy sooner or later the person gets killed.
See the blatant Hindu hatred that their heart bleeds for Zubair. The consideration given to Muslims who resorted to killing beheading is also not because they love Islam but again due to Hindu hatred.
yes...#exmuslims
I am amazed at the amnesia of media and politicians. Everybody is out to blame Nupur for her utterances against Islam but if you see the complete debate it was the other panelist (forgot his name) who actually started it. He first began to speak in a very derogatory manner about Shivling and then Nupur responded. What confuses me is that even supposed right-wing media is not highlighting this particular fact.
Tasleem Rehmani
I agree with Shekar. His analysis is bang on on why he was arrested. He is an important mole in the Islamic left. It’s hardly liberal and he dog whistled to the Islamists. AlJazeera picked it up and blew it up in the Islamic world. Government just wanted to see if there is a grander plan and design to this. These are dangerous times to not investigate.
Do u know there is a term called 5th generation war....
This may b part of that????
Who knows??
Your legendary ability to cloak the truth while telling facts is awesome.
Perhaps you could have spelt out the fact that if Duratma Gandhi had not given justification for violence against Mahashay Rampal then it would not have taken place. Or how Rajiv Gandhi was the first to ban the Satanic Verses. Or how the Duratma never raised his voice against the Moplah riots or the Naokhali riots. Maybe you're saving it for a rainy day . Look forward to it.
hatemongering zombies have overrun the country at an industrial scale.n
This has always been the same case with this guy.... Don't expect much from him
Any of these foreign sponsored media has to toe the line set for them. Of late these media houses are talking with balanced view because the government is no more pseudo specular. Else, they would have continued with their concocted view to sully sanatan dharma.
i am for absolute freedom. but the way Pseudo liberals behaved i think he deserves it.
i support both Nupur and Leena .
you can like it, you can dislike it. you can even tell that yes i am offended, expressing your displeasure is also a freedom. but threatening someone is a big no.
This is true Liberalism guys.
and yes Even Print failed it this time, maybe because Sekhar is scared.
@@Vizorfam see..... true Liberalism allow even bots like you to express his/her/their opinion.
Shekhar Gupta said what he feels. Did he failed because he did not met your idealogical standards
My thoughts exactly,
God is not real, we made it up,
You can say or write anything,
I don't care.
@@shashwatpandey4558 definitely ideological standard failed because a guy was beheaded, and sekhar too has a role in it.
Don't try to show that you are a balanced liberal person. Nupur quoted what is written in hadiths, Leena showed a Goddess smoking. There's absolutely no comparison
Zubair's arrest is justified because of he spread a "doctored" version of Nupur's clip and the result is 2 horrible deaths related to it. Sar Taj Se Juda happening in India because of him People forgot that TIMES NOW debate and he rekindled it after 10 days or so.
Zubair very well knew what he's doing by throwing misleading allegations of blasphemy. He knows the impact of violent Muslim community and pressure of Muslim countries, and how it could strengthen Islamic blasphemy laws in India.
Show me one single post on social media where he mocked Islamic figures, then I too will support Zubair
What I have observed in recent times is that us Hindus have become increasingly sensitive to remarks on our religious beliefs. It seems to be reactions to multiple insinuations and a general feeling that it is okay to mock the hindu faith while it is not okay to do so of other religions. Being multicultural , multilingual, multi religious country, there should be uniformity in dealing with such instances. Sometimes, it is not okay to poke the hibernating bear during winter to see if it wakes up. Not good for anybody or the country for that matter. Thank you for a nice video.
About time we did.
hatemongering zombies have overrun the country at an industrial scale.
Thats polarisation. Nowadays People are less Indian and more of Hindu or Muslim, Left or Right.
@@naturelover4148 Well so can you tell me why always Hindus/ Hindu religious practices/ Festivals are only targetted but the whole Left/Liberal/progressive society is always silent on Islam or Christianity????????
Well Eid is comming, let's watch how much social media awareness will happen regarding "Sacrifice of goats" 🙂🙂🙂🙂
@@manishkumarpandey9702 Looks like you got offended for some reason although I commented as a neutral person. This is the problem I mentioned where even a neutral person is considered leftist by right wing and rightist by left wing. Dono taraf se meko gali parta hai🤣
I am an illiterate Hindu, not as intellectual as Sekhar Gupta. I am just linking the dots of behavioral patterns of the Muslims of the Indian subcontinent from the last 1000 years of History to till today, to forecast the existence of Hinduism/Sanatani for the next only 200 years. India needs the strategy which the Buddhists of Myanmar took to Handle the "Peaceful community". otherwise, be aware!! the extinction of Hinduism is inevitable in India.
We can solve this without taking any arm's.
First, stop bringing religion into politics to a large extent
Second, treat radical groups from all religion by improving law and order
@@comparison-er2708 based on historical facts, who is more "Radical" among the below (only indian perspective)??
1. Those, who think they are the most superior & others (Kafirs) deserve to hell? those, who demolished or transformed uncountable temples, Gurudawars?who did Forcefully mass conversion, do humiliate & make fun of others' beliefs/Gods, those, who killed people to demand a country based on religion?... & at last behead a innocent?
OR
2. Those, who have been waiting for justice from the decayed Indian judiciary system to get back their right to worship their Gods whom were snatched cruelly from them for last 350, 500 or even 800 years? Those, who have endured the huge humiliation on TV debates of how the Muslims are making fun of 'Shiva linga' & are tempting others continuously? those, who have been tolerating the 'wuzu' that have been doing by the Muslims intentionally at the same place where the Hindus' "Shiva linga" is been situated? Those who have been tolerating all these humiliation for long long years, but despite of all, didn't "behead" a single Muslim, who didn't execute a single bomb blast in the Mosques or didn't compell the Muslims for an exodus from a 'Hindu majority area'?? Never ending list if one would dive deeper!
Before any comment, please do some introspection for the sake of Humanity!! Indian Hindus need to be free from the nasty politics by keeping the Nation's interest first.
@@comparison-er2708 radical group from all religions?? Majority of radical group and terrorist in india and world is from Islam.. so Islam need reforms not hindus , Christian, bhuddist etc
And about politics muslim vote a party as vote bank not us
@@ambedkarworriers6541 But can't deny the fact that VHP and Bajrang Dhal sometimes acts like fools
@@ambedkarworriers6541 Hey my worry is even Hindus are taking the path of Islamic radicals l, which I want them to avoid.
Win the war by making the other think like us(Indian philosophies)
And mr shekar, Hindus were tolerant then and now aren’t…. This statement I don’t agree with as a Hindu myself. We were scared to voice our concern earlier but now we aren’t, that’s the fact. Islam from the prophet may not be wrong, but Islam from these mullahs is dangerous to this planet. THAT needs a repair!!!
While you keep aiming your guns only to the islamic mullahs, the "mullahs" emerging in your own religion arent taking you on any other path islamic ones didnt take theirs'!! You won't realize it now, your future generation surely will!!
I support ABSOLUTE FREE SPEECH but it should apply for every community. For majority IT'S free SPEECH and for minority IT'S hate speech , is hypocrisy.
🇮🇳 DEMOCRACY 🇮🇳
But Zubair didn't insult any religion
This is the real secularism when you point out mistakes of both sides not selective one as leftist do
Yep, rightists point out theirs.. off course you wouldnt have missed pointing them out if they hadnt, isnt it??
Influence of abrahamic religions are bad on Hinduism. It is digressing from the path of critical thinking and absolute freedom of speech.
However Congress government and Mamata Banerjee did nothing during their UPA.
No POLICE REFORMS AND Judicial Reforms also
Agree with you
But when you don’t have faith for my religion I hope you don’t have right to mock my religion….yes we believe in free thinking that doesn’t mean a follower of Abrahamic can crack joke on my deities and get offended if I do the same ….it is logical?
@@helpdeskvisaandimmigration8495 It is logical and that's why the outrage is growing. If I can't speak about your religion then u can't speak on mine. Zubair had to be shown his place. Simply because blasphemy cannot be applied one way. But in long run Hinduism is loosing the libraty it had. For this either you have to be like France or u need to throw out abrahamic religions.
hatemongering zombies have overrun the country at an industrial scale.
I was planning to write a comment when I watched half way through this CTC.
However, Shekhar ji explained whatever I wanted to write in 3rd YES section. One thing to add is that the 3rd YES (hypocrisy of left liberals) is actually fuelling 2nd NO (religious sensitivities among Hindus) which is unfortunate. It is due to the natural effect of Nash equilibrium.
Aha as an Econ student I always appreciate references to Game Theory, and good ones at that!
When Arnab Goswami was arrested, SG (a hardcore leftist) looked the other way which proved SG's bias and prejudice.
Unlike Rajdeep, Mr. Gupta makes it balanced.
He failed to touch the foreign funding of this person.
thats lame fam ....alt news isnt that rich to be considered significant funding
“Moopla revolt” (not a massacre)..
“Abrahamization of Hinduism”
SG used two dog whistles (one each for left and right) in one segment.. brilliant!!
hatemongering zombies have overrun the country at an industrial scale.
@@elliotalderson2007
Point out something specific, you are a hate monger..
Say something vague and self righteous, you are an intellectual..
Thankyou for putting in words what i have been feeling for several years now. As a Hindu, i pride on the tradition and freedom of logical questioning and reasoning about everything without shame or guilt. Secularism is a natural part of a logical mind. But this "opportunistic secularism" is a BIG problem and people (Hindus as well as Muslims) doing this are destroying our millenia old tolerant culture.
tolerant culture has limits not mentioning other counties once Hindus but i will mention Kashmir what happened to being tolerant culture
😂😂Have you read history?
Islam was never tolerant.
Read the history (TRUE) of islam.
And further both hinduism and islam never existed in peace, there was always conflict and there can never be peace, what we are told is just to prevent any conflict but anyone who have read the history will know that hinduism and islam cannot stay together.
"Allah fearing atheism, beef eating veganism, iPhone using communism"
All kind of pseudo secularism leads to Macca..
I have BIG complaint against Zubair for internationalising Nupur issue like this, this issue got useless hype and led to Udaipur and Amravati incident, Hindu groups will have more excuses to alienate muslims
Hindu group will have more excuse ?? Really ? U hv kost ur brain man. Leave aside this case. Tell me why there were more than 100 attacks on hindus while celebrating festival like RAM Navami, Ganesh Visarjan, Durga Pooja, etc. liberal Gangs said muslim were provoke due chanting and songs. I mean really so we can not celebrate festivals bcz it will provoke muslims.
Hindu groups were already alienating Muslims. It's not like that would have lessened anyway.
13:00 Shekharji stating facts... I have same troubles with my fellow people who idenitify as Librals/ Leftists... If you are a liberal how the heck is religion forming a major chunk of your socio-political thinking??? shouldn't it be based on concepts of coming forward and out of problems holistically as HUMANS :|
Exactly, if you are a liberal why would you get defensive for one particular religion and have a soft spot for it and also how the heck are you choosing to fight on behalf of what's possibly the worst religion on this planet 🤣
@@vasudhabhandari8431 Agreed, however no religion is ever perfect as it is always driven by hearsay from people and we aren't really sure who the almighty is and what it wants. Saying Islam is bad isn't the solution nor does it make any sense cuz everything has pros and cons... for example what Hindus could learn from them is the UNITY that they pack in when someone points an ill finger at them.. and what they could learn is a bit of inclusivity and reprentative/creative freedom from Hinduism.
@@butimnotsid You are kinda right but still I make a clear distinction between pagan and abrahamic faiths. Hinduism isn't perfect but certainly nowhere as bad as Islam as well
The last few sentences summaries why I take offense as well. They selectively offend Hindu gods and goddesses while keeping religious symbols of Abrahamic religious on a pedestal. The consequences of this would that us Hindus would start to belittle our our culture and gods and slowly start to doubt everything.
I’m afraid that you have imbibed secularism so much that you implicitly hold the view that tolerance of other religions is essential. But tolerance is a condescending attitude: “ I don’t approve of your beliefs but will let it be.” What is important is mutual respect for each other’s beliefs. Islam doesn’t permit respecting other’s beliefs. Hindus responded to the bigotry and violent intolerance of the Muslims, within the framework of law. Be thankful that we Hindus have not yet resorted taking the law into their hands and to beheading non-believers.
Fearing Islam and Muslims is common sense, not a psychiatric disease called islamophobia.
I don't think this tolerance of ours will last long .....when it will come for our survival our lives we will too resort to the most violent means someday .....this was never our culture this was never our religion but we have to do this to protect our religion and culture sar tan se juda will have only one answer of equally violent sar tan se juda ......can't Hindus be murderers they can be till this time they chose not to be but one they form their own militia it will be very unhealthy society to live in but it will happen in near future
The last sentence of sekhar ji really touched The mood of every peace loveing citizen of our country
SG is accepting the superiority of indic civilization as compared to Abrahamic cultures, particularly the latest manifestation. 😀
he still didnt use the word islamic culture. he used ""abrahamic culture" he is scared if he does uses just islamic culture his sar will get juda from his tan. I dont see christians behead anyone for insulting jesus
@@indipacifician3693 true :-) Christians are human life loving people. All human lives.
I am secular commie and a turd...I am Zubair!
What's worse than a leftist?
Islamic leftist
“A payback for his hypocrisy!” Well said.
It is not offensive because of a funny joke. It calls for action because of the intent behind it to knowingly demean an entire religion. They repeatedly and purposefully frame such comments and pass these as ‘jokes’. It is not about the statement but it’s the intent.
It should be allowed to insult religions . But the problem is many Muslims like Zubair think it's ok to do it to other religions but not to Islam .
@@J7pat7 Exactly. I forgot to mention this. Selective derogation.
@@JiMishraJi how can you demean by stating a fact? If i said hindus are casteist, would that constitute as an offense? It's the muslims themselves goes around with the perfect example of muhammed and his life.
@@Lathi33 It is not the statement that demeans it, it’s the intent to do so which does. This intent reveals itself when you analyse the tone of the statement. Like the statement by Nupur, It is true and retaliatory in nature but the intent is to hurt back and demean the religion. Same goes for these ‘secular’ commentators and journalists. They assume they are above others that’s why the typical statement ‘Journalists shouldn’t be harassed because of their free speech.’ Why ? Are you above everyone else ? Why should you have free speech and not the regular Joe ?
@@JiMishraJi when a hindu is defending his religion, or even hinduthwavadis, most muslims and so called seculars uses casteism, just to demean his religion. Should we discuss the intent every time this happens too?
It doesn't matter, you give free speach, everything goes, until you call for direct violence
We support our brave sis Nupur
Not Abrahimism but islamization of hindusim is what making ancient hindusim look like intolerant religion.
Right, Christians and Jews are fine with Blasphemy . You can put pictures of Jesus inside urinals and nobody will get hurt .
@@J7pat7 well, if u see in India many old buildings have small tiles with gods images of all faith that is done to stop spiting on 🧱 that has never objected to by Indians rather appreciated but women like leena and moitra consider criticism of their filthy post as hatred is hypocrisy of another level
The Print has truly carved out it's niche in the political spectrum (very close to the centre delightfully) and it pretty much aligns with my own views, which is amazing because reading news can now be a little less frustrating of an experience. Thanks for the content!
Had this controversy over kali come up a couple of years ago I would have supported the director and stood up for FOE. After all that has been happening lately I don’t want to shed a tear for either the director or Mahua Moitra
Exactly, I am afraid Hinduism might lose its flexibility, If we didn't counter Islamism, Hinduism is bound to become Ultra-Radical, Govt. Of India should seriously look into this.
Hindus not taking offence for the past 60-70 years , doesn't mean they shouldn't take offence now !! They realised their mistake and trying to correct it 🤷🏼♂️
ketki chitale was behind bars for one month but no one talk about that
It takes courage to voice a truly neutral point of view that does not align with the narrative of right wing and left wing … good episode Shekhar!
Sometimes neutrality can also be harmful...I am damn sure what SG said won't be accepted by the mainstream left-wing bcoz it doesn't suit their political agenda...So, acc. to them SG won't be considered neutral...
Sadly these days left has become synonymous with Islamism
I was secular and liberal till I realise that people of other faith aren't... If hindus are becoming intolerant then you can't complain
Every community is divided into Liberal and Conservative
@@anshuraj4277 Muslims are not .....extremist Muslims want to cut your head peaceful Muslims want extremist to cut your head that's the difference
My God, spot on SG. Exactly the point of center Hindu, the selective anger.
If instead of Shiva they had joked about Mohammad in PK?
Also this Zuber guy his website is obsessed with Hindus and BJP with barely 5% other content yet he creates this Nupur Sharma issue out of nowhere hurting Indian interests.
Yet he is somehow secular and liberal... What a joke.
Gupta , remember one thing , that Secularism was not the choice of Hindus , it was forcibly by Indira Gandhi during emergency.
Hinduism is far far more liberal than any other abrahamic religion. But constant islamist and psudo-sekular attacks are forcing it to use abrahamic tactics.
hatemongering zombies have overrun the country at an industrial scale.
Mr/Mrs Word.exe......She added secularism in our preamble but article related to secularism were already there in our original constitution.....also Jai Siya Ram! Before you label me!! In that case... don't!
The Hindu outrage over insult to Hindu Gods is not an outrage over that itself but more about them "getting back" at those who get offended by insulting Islam and attack people who do so . The problem with many of these Hindus is their inability to argue as you did and from taking the side of freedom of expression and how that includes Blasphemy . This is exactly what France did in response to attacks from Islamists because of things like Cartoons . They did not respond with "you can't insult christianity" . they responded with a defense of Freedom of Expression and supported showing more of those cartoons .
Yes! They still don’t have significant vote bank. Once it reaches certain threshold, they will sing different tune!
Yes , you are so right in saying that State should not defend a particular religion against another barbaric religion which calls for beheading other people from a different religion. 👎 MY ANSWER IS ALSO NO TO YOUR PRINT
Such a well articulated argument in favor of Zubbair. But few days back you did CTC on Kanhaiya lal, there you just jumped from country to country on their blasphemy laws and religious extremism.. sab kuch gol gol ghuma diya but never dared to say anything in favor of Kanhaiya lal and against the so called peaceful religion. Sham on you and your UNBIASED UNHYPHENATED JOURNALISM..
Excellent! Just Excellent
Felt like Shekhar ji read my mind. Really loved it. Thank you The Print and Shekhar ji.
Abrahamization of the Hindu religion is natural as people are seeing what's happening out there and they are bound to pick some bad habits out there. And there is a big political gains for few parties to fiddle with this.
But I don't want that to happen!
And btw there were some abhramic Hindus even before this, but that number is sadly growing now!
Being logical is right to the extent when you are dealing and living with logical people's but when you are dealing with mindless cunning fanatic cannibals being logical is offering to become fodder so called bhai " Chaara"
Standing ovation. This is by far the best episode of National Interest ever. It is absolutely amazing and shows us how to be civilized and not hypocritical
That was not mopla rebellion . It was mopla massacre
Thats the great point, I am a Hindu and I am not offended when someone compare my God with fountain and other objects but how come the other religion says they are offended when one is speaking something from their holy book. I consider my religion and other religions as holy, then why was this kind of terror and drama all around. If they are true worshippers of God then we are too. No one has the right to keep their beleive on the top of others.
When Shekhar Gupta calls someone 'secular', he usually refers to Islamocommunist ideologues
Have you all noticed how Zubair takes so much effort to hide his face? WHY ?
He does not want to be recognised, some history needs to be dug
Because of pieceful Sanghis
@@anonymous_4276 Lucky for him Sanghis are not a BEHEADING cult.
Maybe because he doesn't want to get tanned.
@@sankalp6872 a lynching cult rather.
Sir, as much as i know he is arrested because of the order of the court... And also you didn't said a single word about the foreign funding he was getting from Islamic countries. I was expecting that point
Zubair is the same person who despirately wanted blasphemy charge against Nupur sharma but he himself forgot to remove his own hinduphobic posts 😂 now face the law.
Here according to Shekar Gupta, because Hindus are relatively wealthy .. They were brutally murdered by Moplas ( Muslims )..during khilaphat movement..
Shekhar ji can’t believe your honest appraisal for a change even though you kept harping on how strongly you support Kattar Zubair who tries to masquerade as a liberal secularist
Just to make things clear:
Gandhi not only did not criticize the book but also said that muslims should punish those who write such books.While books which mocked Hinduism was considered as freedom of expression by him. Action was taken against the author only after article from Gandhi.
Same is the case with Zubair. Although he did not call for violence he knew what the consequences of his actions will be as there have been previous such cases.
P.S.:In both cases things said by the Hindu side were factual but the same can not be said about what is being said from the other side.
For the first time Shekar has expressed in clear terms - his resentment against Left Liberals. Though it may be one off and rightfully so he should stick with this and create a story to please them. He may be branded as Bhakt too but should maintain the stand. Also the Print Team should spare a thought on general public who denounce the predatory nature of Left Liberals but are branded Bhakts just because it discomforts their beliefs.
Oh how I wished SG had said something about Tasleem Rehmani.
Alas, SG can go only so far!
This Zubair should be charged with Treason as well. He first dog whistled the mob and then was all too eager to turn Middle Eastern countries against India and volunteered to give information which in his mind would cause the most embarrassment and harm to India.
You have conveniently left out talking about Udaipur Violence, by citing an excuse. You owe the explanation to the left.
Shekhar's third argument is precisely the problem with the left. There's either an insensitivity towards one religion or/and at the same time, a 'bigotry of low expectations' from a minority religion.
That is what is causing the present 'Abrahamization' of Hindus, as Shekhar termed it. I am concerned about my community(Hindus), but where do I lay the blame?
It seems, unfortunately, that it must lay at the doorstep of the so-called liberal intelligentsia...What a shame!
hatemongering zombies have overrun the country at an industrial scale.
No to Muslim Business/Shops/Services
That would hurt India!
@@comparison-er2708 no it won't
@@comparison-er2708 knowingly or unknowingly using halal certified products is hurting India.
@@abhishekchandra4484 To some extent yes!
Once in IIT Kharagpur I remember a girl asked she wants to wear a undergarment made of Indian flag and slippers of Jai shree krishna if God is everywhere what is the problem is female secretion is bad. I said no why don't you wear your parent's picture on your panty they might also feel nice and your parent's picture on your slippers they might feel they are traveling with you. You might even feel they are showing love to your secretions.
Thanks
Very balanced and conscientious stand and well articulated by Mr Gupta. Bravo, Sir!
This is exactly what the BJP is asking. Apply laws uniformly and take a principled stand. No shameless pandering to minorities in the name of their votes.
We also need uniform civil code for the same reasons.
Outrageous, Shekhar Ji as a non-bias journalist makes an episode once Zubair goes into Jail. But no episode to condemn the idiotic "Sar Tan Se Juda" rhetoric when Kanhyalal was murdered.
SG is old school Kangressi secular fogey. After all he was awarded Padmashree by Sonia mata. नमक का हक़ तो अदा करना है इंटेलेक्चुअल का लबादा ओढ़कर।
@@balancedopinion8915 I am pro secularism. Thats why I am against Sar Tan Se slogans.
so you don't have a problem with Islamophobia, but documenting and highlighting Islamophobia by members of BJP is troubling you.
Zubair is responsible for the death of two hindu men. He should met the same faith as those two.
In my opinion zubair is not leftist. He is an Islamist disguised as leftist. You are right gupta ji if he was liberal then he wouldn't have edited rehmani's part.
Wow Shekhar you have some guts to tell that zubair is no culprit because for many years Hindus have not objected to derogatory remarks on our gods hence he thought this time too no one will speak.
Rather you should say to those who have been making comments for many years on Hinduism to apologise, but no you only have guts to stand against Hindus and not muslim
Did you even listen to the video?
@14:00
I have a serious issue however with so called left liberalism which holds selective view on the right to deliver or endure offense.
Perfect expression that says it’s pseudo secularism rather than secularism.
Liberals know this very well but they’re afraid of losing vote bank.
This is why India is not going to have secular society in near future.
I hope India doesn’t become Abrahamic though.
Thank you 🙏🏽 SG sir
Say what ever you want to about Hinduism and our Gods make fun. No problem. But let us say and talk facts written about Mohammad and Islam in Hadis. The fact is that Prophet did Mary a minor girl. That is what Nupur Sharma did and Mohd Zubair sprayed petrol over the fire. He needs Togo to jail.
If liberty taken for granted..they will be punished