I love this video. This is where the westside conjugate system shines. Overuse injuries happen to strong people when they don't rotate lift variations very often. Rotating lifts is imo the best tool for joint health. The basic principle is that you practice what you suck at. When you try the easier comp lift again it will be stronger. 1-5 variations is a good start. Lift heavy on a given lift until it stalls out then .....rotate. low bar to SSB., Wide Grip to close, Swiss Bar to straight bar, pause to touch and go, neutral to underhand Grip, etc. Get decent at a handful of lift variations and you'll be a better lifter across many positions. Just make sure it's not too far from your comp form. Thanks for the wisdom
Had the same issue with shooting pain from low bar. I couldnt do the press or bench. Got a Marrs bar and now im doing well again. I highly recommend that bar.
Grant, I had shoulder pain 3 months ago while doing squat or press too. I went to a PT and she told me there are a whole bunch of muscles on the shoulder joint that go all the way down to the lats. She said my right lats were lower than the left and so it was pulling on my shoulder joint. She recommended a bunch of exercises to align the lats. But then she recommended I foam roll the back of my shoulder joint and work on any points that are very sore. The more I felt sore on a particular spot the more to work on those. Now I do that before I begin the workout and the pain slowly went away. So there are a couple of lessons there. Foam roll regularly, especially where it feels sore. A good PT is invaluable. Take an appt. As you feel something is wrong and isnt going away after couple of workouts. Don't make it worse. I think in your case the rest helped but perhaps a PT intervention may have shortened that period considerably. Thanks for sharing the video.
At a certain age you absolutely have to listen to your body. Shoulders, knees, and ankles can take a lot of abuse on the front nine of life. Gotta recognize the difference between pain that you can train through and pain that you should train around. Like you, the Marrs bar has been critical for me to give my 50 year old shoulders the break they need while still moving weight. Swiss bar for bench and a lot of band work on warm up also helped a lot. I hope this is all behind you!
I had a similar issue I aggravated by benching. I used to EliteFTS SS Bar, but I was still having pain in the bench. I switched back to using the regular low bar squat with a wider grip and adjusting my thumb on the grip. For the bench, I used the red EliteFTS shoulder saver, and the pain went away. For me, the pain was constantly aggravated at the bottom of the bench. If you are having shoulder pain, I would suggest taking a $35 flyer and add the shoulder saver to your bench. I found the safety squat bars limited progress on my squat. Now all my numbers are back to approaching my PRs prior to the injury.
I too have been experiencing shoulder pain that has been a year long ordeal. As it worsened i went to the chiropractor and they determined i have minor arthritis in my neck (left side) and shoulder inflammation on the right side. Turning 50 sucks. Changing my grip helps, but shoulder pain and neck pain remains just not as much after regular massage therapy. Thank you for this video, I will try the supplement and get an ssb for squats. I will continue to use my multi grip bar for overhead press, rows and bench press.
The only thing that consistently injures my shoulders is very wide grip at bench, even at much lower weights than my max. I am 67 and might whine maybe it is arthritis, but it only occurs if I go very wide on bench to exercise all my shoulder muscles by varying my grip width.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I too have issues with my shoulders while squatting. I have now decided to replace it with a prowler for 2 weeks … But moving forward, good recommendation not to do it 3 times a week maybe 2 is enough and on workout 3 alternate with another exercise
Warming up is not the issue. For me, very wide bench grip is what injures my shoulders for months. I have to remember to keep my grip narrower. Even injured, narrower grip does not hurt bad.
Thanks Grant. I've had shoulder problems the entire time I've been a Strength Co. client. I've used the Top Squat attachment & focused on other movements. Recently I widened my grip on my Bench Press; I will try bringing the grip in close - sees if that helps.
I have a herniated disc in my neck. It’s manageable. Any lift recommendations? I bench 225 5x5 Ohp 135 4x8 and curls for the girls, worried about squat and deadlift.. any advice?
Such good and bad advice in one video. The good advice is to eliminate what caused you Injuries for something that does the same but in a safer more natural manner The bad advice is reintroducing those poor excercises Just because people do them without injury doesn't mean they're good Most people are soo ego driven they will do an excercise that fucks them up then swap it out for a while only ro go back to the excercise that fucks them up Why not eliminate it all together for a better excercise that won't damage you at all Literally noone cares what excercise you do, if you getting results and feeling good then keep doing it The only time you need an excercise is if you are competing in a comp for that excercise
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I love this video. This is where the westside conjugate system shines. Overuse injuries happen to strong people when they don't rotate lift variations very often. Rotating lifts is imo the best tool for joint health. The basic principle is that you practice what you suck at. When you try the easier comp lift again it will be stronger. 1-5 variations is a good start. Lift heavy on a given lift until it stalls out then .....rotate. low bar to SSB., Wide Grip to close, Swiss Bar to straight bar, pause to touch and go, neutral to underhand Grip, etc. Get decent at a handful of lift variations and you'll be a better lifter across many positions. Just make sure it's not too far from your comp form. Thanks for the wisdom
Spamming seal rows and band pull aparts fixed my shoulders. Need to develop the upper back
Great video. Very helpful.
I'm alternating SSB and Buffalo bars and my shoulder pain has GONE!
Had the same issue with shooting pain from low bar. I couldnt do the press or bench. Got a Marrs bar and now im doing well again. I highly recommend that bar.
I find Paul Horn to be clever, insightful, and flexible in his thinking.
Amen. I could not for the life of me get under the bar for squats a week ago due to right shoulder pain. Could have used that fancy mars bar!
Grant, I had shoulder pain 3 months ago while doing squat or press too. I went to a PT and she told me there are a whole bunch of muscles on the shoulder joint that go all the way down to the lats. She said my right lats were lower than the left and so it was pulling on my shoulder joint. She recommended a bunch of exercises to align the lats. But then she recommended I foam roll the back of my shoulder joint and work on any points that are very sore. The more I felt sore on a particular spot the more to work on those. Now I do that before I begin the workout and the pain slowly went away. So there are a couple of lessons there. Foam roll regularly, especially where it feels sore. A good PT is invaluable. Take an appt. As you feel something is wrong and isnt going away after couple of workouts. Don't make it worse. I think in your case the rest helped but perhaps a PT intervention may have shortened that period considerably. Thanks for sharing the video.
At a certain age you absolutely have to listen to your body. Shoulders, knees, and ankles can take a lot of abuse on the front nine of life. Gotta recognize the difference between pain that you can train through and pain that you should train around. Like you, the Marrs bar has been critical for me to give my 50 year old shoulders the break they need while still moving weight. Swiss bar for bench and a lot of band work on warm up also helped a lot. I hope this is all behind you!
I had a similar issue I aggravated by benching. I used to EliteFTS SS Bar, but I was still having pain in the bench. I switched back to using the regular low bar squat with a wider grip and adjusting my thumb on the grip. For the bench, I used the red EliteFTS shoulder saver, and the pain went away.
For me, the pain was constantly aggravated at the bottom of the bench. If you are having shoulder pain, I would suggest taking a $35 flyer and add the shoulder saver to your bench. I found the safety squat bars limited progress on my squat. Now all my numbers are back to approaching my PRs prior to the injury.
I too have been experiencing shoulder pain that has been a year long ordeal. As it worsened i went to the chiropractor and they determined i have minor arthritis in my neck (left side) and shoulder inflammation on the right side. Turning 50 sucks. Changing my grip helps, but shoulder pain and neck pain remains just not as much after regular massage therapy. Thank you for this video, I will try the supplement and get an ssb for squats. I will continue to use my multi grip bar for overhead press, rows and bench press.
The only thing that consistently injures my shoulders is very wide grip at bench, even at much lower weights than my max. I am 67 and might whine maybe it is arthritis, but it only occurs if I go very wide on bench to exercise all my shoulder muscles by varying my grip width.
Look into BPC 157 and TB 500. It’s served me and others well. Keep grinding, love your grit
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I too have issues with my shoulders while squatting. I have now decided to replace it with a prowler for 2 weeks …
But moving forward, good recommendation not to do it 3 times a week maybe 2 is enough and on workout 3 alternate with another exercise
Warming up is not the issue. For me, very wide bench grip is what injures my shoulders for months. I have to remember to keep my grip narrower. Even injured, narrower grip does not hurt bad.
Thanks for sharing your experience 😊
Thanks Grant. I've had shoulder problems the entire time I've been a Strength Co. client. I've used the Top Squat attachment & focused on other movements. Recently I widened my grip on my Bench Press; I will try bringing the grip in close - sees if that helps.
Thanks for sharing your experience
Thnks for sharing your experience
My pleasure
Have you tried the buffalo bar?
I have a herniated disc in my neck. It’s manageable. Any lift recommendations? I bench 225 5x5 Ohp 135 4x8 and curls for the girls, worried about squat and deadlift.. any advice?
Such good and bad advice in one video.
The good advice is to eliminate what caused you Injuries for something that does the same but in a safer more natural manner
The bad advice is reintroducing those poor excercises
Just because people do them without injury doesn't mean they're good
Most people are soo ego driven they will do an excercise that fucks them up then swap it out for a while only ro go back to the excercise that fucks them up
Why not eliminate it all together for a better excercise that won't damage you at all
Literally noone cares what excercise you do, if you getting results and feeling good then keep doing it
The only time you need an excercise is if you are competing in a comp for that excercise