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@@Pateramalina This is very unlikely with these types of batteries unless abused. They ltypically will have several safeguards built in that prevent this. I work in the RC hobby field and these batteries usually only catch fire when they are not charged properly. Using the factory charger will prevent this. Even then, they of not explode. Most info on exploding lithium batteries is simply internet bunk.
Got off the ground and gave *"a"* flight time and the form factor of just jamming a battery in there is the least complex way of both engineering and using. Surprised no counter-rotating propellers as this should aid greatly in both control and efficiency without adding a crazy amount of weight. Having a secondary "landing battery" like having a backup parachute seems critical as well so I can understand the giveaway! Some of these systems are becoming incredibly "dense" so the bulkiness of the battery might be set for a tremendous reduction for 2024 anyways. Watching what Aptera is up to for ground transportation might give a clue as to the future of pure play BEV. Turning an actual car into a flying car as pure play BEV is not as complex as people realize and that one might be the one to do it.
Where you turned around at is where I live. That neighborhood is called Castelgate. I hike that area a lot. I've probably seen you flying around too. I've wondered who that was. Now I know. Hopefully you see this comment. I have been wanting to fly like this for awhile. You around town? I would love to learn.
I really appreciate you doing this. I can't think of a more trusted tester and I was craving this information. My flying style is basically going up to 3k feet, falling with style, and repeat. However, I'm about 20 minutes from my favorite farm so the range is a concern. I bet Kyle Mooney would love this. :)
Looked like an approx. one hour flight time based in your 6 minute 10% usage, but 44 minutes is not too bad for an initial product. Batteries are improving, so eventually 1 hour flight will likely be achievable under normal conditions.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't excited to see this video! I've seen many of your previous reviews so I know your style, this is gonna be sick! Thanks Tucker!!
An interesting comparison would be the cost of operations. What does it cost to fly 30 minutes on gas vs electric? What about maintenance costs in the long term?
Great question. Rough numbers and maybe tucker will comment. 2 strokes can do ~40-50mpg. So with expensive gas, $1=10-15 miles. Now for electric. The big battery is 3.7kwh, which tucker used. With charging losses and heat, thats about 4kwh from your outlet. Or about $1 to charge. His normal ride was 30 minutes. Lets say he was doing 30mph. That means he went about ~15 miles for $1. So not a huge difference in cost.
It would probably have to be over the course of a month for that to happen so he could compare his electric bill before the test to how much his bill jumps to charge the Electric paramotor over a month and then how much gas he spends on refueling an IC paramotor over a month. He'd have to make sure they have the same number of flights per month. I imagine the Electric paramotor is going to be cheaper than the IC paramotor in terms of fueling up/charging up. Big thing with IC paramotors is that they have longer flight times and are much faster to fuel up.
@@shawnd567 Depends a lot where you live too, around here 4 kWh is about $0.28, in Hawaii it'd be like $1.25 though. Current US average is $0.155 / kWh so $0.62 for 4 kWh. Maintenance and depreciation might be more important. I'd assume maintenance would be cheaper on the electric since it's so much simpler mechanically, although it might be harder to find expertise if you do need to fix something. The battery cells are rated for ~83% capacity after 700 cycles (0-100-0%) at 10 kW (max continuous power), not sure how that compares to ICE.
Great question!! Also, do not forget to remember to add the cost of a second battery, so you can do a hot swap, and fly for an additional 30 or so minutes. In a petrol rig, you just have the cost of the gas can, and the cost of the gas, so landing, refueling, and flying again is much more cost efficient. But, I am loving the view of instant torque, the reduction of noise, and just being different then everyone else. Thanks Tucker, for the great videos!!
Some things I would like to add: I think the term "best case" for flight time isn't really typical in this case, as the vast majority of people will not be flying a sporty 16m advanced wing if they are aiming for long flight times. Similarly, for a "normal flight," most people are not flying the most sporty wing, "the Freeride," and performing barrel rolls; this is not an average flight for an average person. Of course, most of us who fly paramotors understand that Tucker is not "normal." However, for those who dont fly paramotors, I think this could use some clarity. As a side note, the battery Tucker is flying here is no longer available, as it has been upgraded to a larger capacity version, increasing from 3.7 kWh to 4.8 kWh. This will proportionally increase the flight time. Therefore, any orders placed going forward will include the new battery design at no additional cost. This also applies to any orders placed within the past month. The curse of electric is that you want to fly longer then you would with gas motor. Just because it is more comfortable to fly but you cant. So that is why it's kinda a curse 😔. But batterys will just be getting better and better so it will be less and less of a curse over time.
Not sure if this is obvious, but with an EV pickup like a Ford F150 Lightning, It could easily recharge a couple extra para-motor batteries several times while flying the others. I own a Lightning, and it's GREAT. 🙂
Paul's comment should be pinned! 1:52 Immediately realize this "best case test" is MISLEADING. It may be Tucker's "most efficient" glider, but it's a 16M (Ozone's smallest Viper XC), fast cruise speed, cross-country wing.... and is overloaded past Ozone's specification (225# if at 75% of the PPG range, which is already exceeded with just the weight of the PG and pilot here). All of this burns way more power than for the average PPG pilot on a properly loaded beginner to intermediate wing.
Of course, this is MY best case scenario with the gear I have available, at my weight, which I cannot change. I bet the vast majority of pilots weigh more than me. As I said, 60 minutes is surely obtainable with different gear. If I could, I wish I could weigh 190lbs and fly a 26m Spyder as that is probably the most common setup.
@@TuckerGott Ya I probably do a vid with the Spyder 3 as that is a popular wing even if it's not the most efficient. I would love to do a video benchmarking a bunch of different wings. It's just hard to do it all in the same environment setup. As typically I want to do the testing in zero wind so pretty much just have an hour or so in the evening when the thermals die down. But don't really have to do a whole flight on it just need to fly for a few minutes and make sure altitude is being held. So I might do that
Excellent content!! I would really like to see a video where you use this as a paraglider for a longer flight, flying thermals and/or hang and only boosting with the motor during the start and as required to stay airborne!!
That would require a large and efficient wing and it doesn't seem like he have one of those or even enjoy that type of flying. But this type of motor would be ideal for that as it's easy to throttle back without issues getting it started again.
@@znail4675 Exactly my point, electric motors should, at least in theory be perfect for cutting the power and cruising, especially since the range shouldn't be as much of an issue then! I would consider buying one for that reason alone 😊
This was my thought exactly. Seems like a good, low maint. way for “flatlanders” to climb up and get some thermal time until they have enough time to travel to a launch site.
My typical flight is right around 1hr to 1hr 15mins. Maybe 10% of my flights are under 30 mins so this technology just hasnt come far enough to work for me. When it does I'm on board, but not yet....
Interesting video. I’d have to say I’d choose the quiet reliable electric option over the high strung noisy expensive to maintain Italian gas motors you’ve had SOOO many problems with. The battery range will just keep getting better while the crap Fix It Again Tony gas motors won’t. It amazes me how many stake their life on high strung mostly 2 stroke motors that fail with appalling regularity even with lots of expensive preventive maintenance. You’ve had gas paramotors fail more times than I can count. Some literally fall apart or self destruct in flight. For someone who claims to prioritize safety perhaps you now prioritize gas paramotor sponsors above safety?
Great tests. As I say to people, it depends what your usage case is. I love electric cars, but I don't do long drives very often. And as you pointed out, if you just want to get some air under your feet in an evening, half an hour is perfect.
This video is already out dated because open ppg no longer sells the 3.7kwh battery and it comes with a 4.8kwh battery now at the same price. That being said you could probably add 20% to all these numbers in the video. Also probably add another 10% or more because most people arent flying a sporty 16m glider like tucker is. Just some things to consider.
Thanks for the video, I love the idea of an eparamotor BUT at 78 pounds… that alone is a Deal Breaker… my Power to Fly Atom 80 weighs just over 50 with fuel… more maintenance no doubt but I can’t imagine trying to carry 78 pounds and only flying 30 minutes, Thanks again
Electric paramotors are much much simpler devices and should require a lot less maintenance (not to mention the precise "throttle" contol and instant torque makes flying a breeze), but until battery technology gets better, it really does limit the use case. You won't be out flying all day like you could be with a gas paramotor.
If you had several batteries and a generator that could charge a few at a time, you could. Probably cost prohibitive. The faster they charge, the fewer you would need for near continuous flight. You just can't get too far from the landing zone. I don't know why someone would want to fly continuously from dawn to dusk. I would think they would want breaks for meals, toilet, and leg-stretching, at the very least.
Small engines are plenty reliable. A higher end 2 cycle engine will easily match a battery pack life. The main reason why I would be interested in an electric one is decreased noise and vibration.
@@ozzie7523 Temperature sensors in BMSes are really cheap and easy. I would be seriously surprised and disappointed if this battery pack didn't use one; that's the sort of penny-pinching I'd expect from a knock-off tool battery maker, not a custom expensive niche product maker.
I would be surprised if the BMS doesn't have any kind of thermal protection when charging. That's like rule number one for preventing thermal runaway. Even my power tool batteries won't charge until they cool down, at least the ones for my string trimmer which get the hottest. It's relatively simple to include a temperature sensor in the pack and not charge at all until it drops below a threshold, or ideally factor it into the charge profile.
Thanks for your review. I'm very excited to someday transition over to electric paramotor. But it does not seem like the technology is quite there yet. Disappointing that you had such loss of power as the battery drained. Also, for me, the battery life would need to be x2 or x3 what you're showing for me to make that leap.
Yes - I can confirm 2 blade will outferform a 3. I run many props on my long range FPV planes (R/C) and the 2 blade props are the go, I have proof through my On Screen displays and logging recharge Amps, distance travelled etc.
Tucker, thanks for the temperature check after landing. I think a rise is normal,and the cooling is adequate if you can still touch it with the back of your hand for a certain time. That shows that the thermal design of the whole engine is good. The short flying time is disappointing. 👍😊🇫🇷
Love that we're able to follow "newish" technology and see the ups and downs (no pun intended) as it grows and gets better. Thanks for being a public test person. Also, I've watched pretty much all of your vids, and I'm frothing at the mouth for another Iceland or Nordic video ;). A man can dream, can't he?
Not a pilot, but I fully agree with you man, I dont like the throttle display cutting out and the range is not there I think. I assume though more range means bigger battery and more weight so not sure if there is a sweet spot for this yet
Flight time just isn't there. I will 100% make the switch when it's comparable, just can't spend 8k on a motor for 40 minute flights. I'd be constantly worried about it and wouldn't enjoy being in the air at all.
Sure I wouldn't see that being a problem at all. But if you're spending the same amount on an electric setup, why not just get a normal rig? You're still gonna bust the same props and snap the same lines right?
Hi is it possible to buy an extra battery so that you can land, battery swap and immediately go flying again? If it is possible to buy extra batteries, how much do they cost? And how long will a battery drained to 10%, take to charge back up to 90% from an electric vehicle with the ability to charge if (eg a Ford Lightening truck)
I’m super excited to see this. I’ve always hated small engine tinkering, and since I love my electric vehicle so much, I have been waiting for the time electric hobby motors become more standard!
It would be nice to see max altitude climb. Obviously different gliders perform different but something tells me you wouldn't be climbing nearly as high as your moster
Thank you for this review. Just know that there are people who like flying these with bigger, more efficient wings, where 1 hour+ flight times can be achieved. I enjoy flying my 27m buzz, and this SP140 is perfect for that, for my style of flying.
I'd love to see how the battery lasts for a climb & glide style of flying, like one might do for practicing wingovers and stuff. And if it's not too boring, compare cost of ownership. What I am most looking forward to is the sound testing. I feel like noise is what gets LZs shut down, and I find it fatiguing too. Silent would be amazing (and impossible) but any improvement would be exciting.
Do you think that it would be more efficient/a better use case to use this motor to power up to altitude and then glide around with it shut off for a while, rinse and repeat? Maybe chase thermals?
Something else to consider is the elevation that you typically fly. For example, I’m at 4,000’ above sea level. Because the air is thinner, you’ll require more power/thrust which will reduce flight time.
That isn't necessarily the case. Yes, you do reduce propeller efficiency as air density decreases, but lower density also decreases drag. Or thinking another way, you will fly at a higher speed for the same dynamic pressure, meaning you cover more distance for the same amount of power. Obviously this all depends on a lot of factors like the efficiency of your wing, how physically big you and your paramotor are (thus how much drag you create) and your propeller. One thing that you don't have to worry about is power loss with altitude since the electric motor doesn't need O2 to create power. It's hard to say for sure, but I'd put my money on flight time not changing much or slightly decreasing with altitude. But your groundspeed probably would increase with altitude, letting you cover more distance. If there really were a drop in flight time, I'd also bet a better propeller design for the conditions you expect to fly in would mostly mitigate it.
Super awesome video! In terms of video ideas, I'd love to see an altitude test, more so to learn how the effects of large changes in altitude compare between gasoline and electric paramotors. Thanks for posting!
Tucker, I am from Canada and coming to AZ next weekend the 27th to get my motorbike and ride it back home. Id be thrilled to come watch you fly somewhere and grab a handshake! Cheers man safe flying. If not ill be looking for ya in the skies while I'm down there.
The thing that is off putting to me as someone who is saving up for a paramotor is the thought that while a gas engine has the capability to go for a couple hours and shouldn't really lose that capability much. An electric paramotor has a realistic max flight time of around 30 minutes and that flight time will only become smaller. That's why I think it would be interesting if you could compare how much money it would take to replace the battery to how much money spent on replacement parts that a gas paramotor would need in the amount of time it would take for the electric paramotor to lose enough battery life to where you get like 15 minutes max.
Believe it or not all that info is easily googled or has been covered in the past. That battery is $2200 to replace. It is easily (with proper storage and use) going to last about 3 years for the "normal" pilot. Now factor that in to rebuilding or replacing a Moster engine over the same period, I think the results you will find will give you a astonishing outlook. Giving the fact that Gas/oil engines operate at about $6 a hour and Electric at about 70 cents, Electric could be a huge market, so much so that since Tuckers video...these things are on back order and have sold out. One point going with battery degradation on this type of battery, the worst thing to do is to drain them to zero, which Tucker just did a couple times (at least). IMHO this battery should be replaced before the giveaway. Or at least inform winner to watch it carefully.
@@Bowl_of_Cereal_Gaming You can run the numbers yourself and see that they don't include both maintenance and fuel/electricity. Assume $0.3 per KWh (Texas is half that; California is double). Charging the 3.7KWh battery costs $1.11 and the battery lasts half an hour so the cost per hour is a little over $2.
To be fair to it battery capacity diminishes to 80%, and not really further unless cells die (and you can replace them). 80% of your half hour is 24 minutes, not 15, and a lot will depend on your flight style and other efficiencies in your system. But yes absolutely if you want longer flight time then fuel still has the best accessible energy density.
I have been super interested in paramotoring for a long time and I am looking to start soon. I greatly appreciate your testing and it is great to see how effective the electric is compared to gas. Thank you for taking the time to do multiple trials.
Impractical video suggestion: On the way to the field put a fully charged, secondary battery pack in a buried cache upwind where you can land mid flight and swap. Get ~80-90 minutes flight time.
Even more impractical video suggestion: arrange for a buddy in a hot air balloon to dangle a second fully-charged battery below the basket. Somehow retrieve this battery and fumble dangerously with it as you try to swap out the old one. Eventually drop the spent battery back into the basket of the balloon (without maiming anyone) and then continue on your way. But yeah, maybe your suggestion is a little easier...
So... I'm gonna enter, because of course we all support TG, but f'ck, who wants 78lbs worth of one hour on their back? LOL! Another honest video Tucker! Staying real!
so... it's heavy, expensive, has short flight duration, can't use all of it's power all the time and in return you get more mechanical reliability and less noise. Seems like a very poor trade-off. it's EOS quattro for me
Tucker, you need to run this exact same set of tests when it's hot, or warm. 85, to 95F. I've recently learned that batteries of this type tend not to perform as well in cold, or cool weather. I'd like to see if that hold true for this batter in warm or hot weather. Of course that's also going to affect lift, and thrust efficiency, as well. Thanks for the awesome video! :)
i have an Ebike i use all year cold and hot. There is def a difference when its really cold but the battery naturally warms itself as you use it so if you have it in a temperature controlled House, then vehicle, then quick setup time the battery temp is likely not gonna change much until you get down to really cold temps that you probably would not even fly in. basically its negligible unless its really cold out.
I concur with the previous comment. I have been flying these batteries for many years and cold temps basically don't effect them when used correctly. You take them from a normal ambient temperature. Install and then fly. They easily produce enough internal temp to keep them warm well past what one would fly themselves or any aircraft in. I don't have any actual data, but would think that the cooler temps would actually promote longer battery health as the battery wouldn't "overheat" itself as it would in summer heat.
One thing to note though, is that on this one, you get your one 1/2 hr flight, and then you have to go home 'cause your battery needs to charge for a few hours. On a petrol paramotor, you could just refill the tank and go again. And while you could buy more batteries for this thing, they're probably quite expensive, and given how heavy they are it'd be a lot more weight than a few litres of extra fuel...
not trying to spam your notifications but i saw woodysgamertag was a fan, and thought i should say id love to see you on the PKA podcast. would enjoy hearing about some stories we dont get to see, and learning more about what circumstances you had to face to become who you are today.
Nice. I've been paramotoring for about 6 years and I'm still content flying a 28m Charger usually just for about half an hour or even less. While I feel like my paramotor community would laugh at me, this could very well be quite a good motor for my way of flying.
Great info. I was hoping i could put this exact motor on a trike, and in place of the usual gas and coolant tank, put an extra one or two batteries. If I could get the batteries in parallel, then it would use all equally, other wise I'd have to hot swap the connectors as each battery goes. The motor is probably undersized for what I want to do but I hope the company will offer improvements.
Thanks for the vid! No purchase necessary to enter sweepstakes and giveaways. I admire your sense of generating revenue, but not a fan of enticing sales by leading people to think they have to buy things to enter a giveaway. Don't let the lure of profits lead you too much. Wow, the throttle housing is 3d printed? I would expect something molded or milled. 40miutes aint much, but neither is a 16 meter glider. Once battery tech doubles in efficiency per pound, I'll be looking at electric. Until then, its similar fate with cars. Works great if you dont mind short time use, don't mind lithium and don't ask about recycling/costs. Fwiw, Im a 125lb pilot that enjoys flying a 27m pg wing...
As always great video. I would say you are spot on. For your average pilot who goes for a 30 min flight after work, this is a low maintenance higher (hopefully we shall see) reliability option. Suggestion for other videos as I have seen a few other times in the comments, altitude test, how does it compare to a 2 stroke once you get about 6-7k feet?
Dude I was wondering what happens if there's a catastrophic failure with the battery and it gets on fire. It should be an easy release I think? Isn't it too dangerous? These batteries can get REALLY aggressive
Man, that power degradation really sucks..... As the combustion engine keeps 100% power until the last drop of gas, for me, the correct comparison should be the time that the electric motor DELIVERS 100% power.
Electric is cool in conjunction but it is in NO WAY the ANSWER ! Oh and free markets decides products, NOT the GOVERMENT. GET GOVERMENT out of my BUSINESS
I have flown the X4 for a couple years so I'm pretty familiar with electric power. Compared to the SP140 the X4 is less efficient due to the smaller propellers but the batteries I use are of a bit higher mass/energy density. The advertised "40-60" mins I believe is "Flight time" not run time. You should include the time to descend after the battery runs out. 44 minutes ending at 500ft is a bit different from 44 minutes ending with 1000', or on the ground. When you're flying ICE and you have say 1 hour of fuel, you know that the climb out will burn fuel faster but you gain the time back when idling down burning almost nothing. That all said your test for the casual flight hit on the need for a 'go around' or two and leaving some juice available for that. Your test is very forgiving there because of your high level of skill and comparatively large, open, and safe LZ. I fly in an area with lots of tall trees and small LZs and I'm a newer pilot so I'd never run that over 30 minutes. I fly a boaty ;) wing and I'm only 170lbs, but I'd be wanting to be on the ground with 20% left for healthy go around performance.
What I ask myself right now is if it would be possible to do what rockets do to extend range: multiple stages/dumping empty tanks. Have a second fresh battery hooked up that powers your takeoff and a climb (circling the launch site). Once high up, switch to the main battery, dump the second one and let it descend on a reserve chute. Now you're high up with 100% juice. Would that even be legal?
Gonna enjoy checking out advanced frames with cell-to-frame type of constructuction. Why have aluminium empty tubes when itself can be the battery, better passive cooling, lighter ect2. 21700 and 4860 cells would be perfect
If you have a custom battery pack made, with 5000mah or 6000mah would be better 27100s or better you could achieve a longer flight time with the same weight, probably 25percent better
Well, to me - the electric is great, but not there yet... My normal enjoyment flight for a day is 1.5 hours and it could be whatever: XC or just here and there. With the overall flying weight of 160KG or 350lbs electric is simply not there for me yet. Nomatter how cool. This would be cool the electrics use all their benefits, like e.g. opposite rotating props, cageless with foldable props, quads, and maintain altitude cruise controls.
I ride an electric scooter that is capable of 63mph. I wish I could ride 60 miles without stopping but sadly I average only around 34 miles and range anxiety is real.
If. You have a battery that's made with better cells like Samsung.Or LG, which are the best right now?You won't get bad voltage sag.And you will hold the power towards the end longer
Bro, don't try touching the water with feet while flying. It would instantly crash you & may kill you. Internet is full of similar accidents. God Speed.
To be fair to the manufacturer you should ask which prop they used for their duration testing. 3 blade props vs 2 blade props will yield different power draw/efficiency/torque/speed numbers, at least in RC flying where my hobby experience is.
I've been riding electric kick scooters for a couple of years now and what I can tell you is most companies exaggerate?What the abilities are or don't give you real world information. Usually if they say a hundred miles , they are saying one hundred miles on the lowest Setting at the lowest speed.But nobody does that , so it's really usually about Half of what they say or sixty percent. But I really like electric motors. Electric vehicles are easier to maintain. Cause there's nothing to them. Really learn how to take care of a lithium battery properly. And it will last a while if you're not using it for a period of time more than a week or 2 charge the battery around 65% and store it somewhere preferably cool and dry.. Do not store it completely full or empty
I wish the flight time was longer. I really like the idea of an electric paramotor but having a 20-40 minute flight time is a bit of a bummer. Not to mention that you'd have to pay $2000 to get a backup battery. If I'm driving out to a place where I can fly, I want at least one hour. Not that I can afford one anyways lol
I like new technology but... this electric motor somehow doesn't impress me . I am an electrician, so I was thinking maybe we can add another battery in parallel to increase the amperage and keep the voltage, but I don't know if the weight would be worth it . "Just saying. By the way, you are still awesome . Lol
You need to have a chat with Jonas Marcinco about his recent video, Trying to fly his electric paramotor , failing to launch several times and then face planting, he had a huge field available but tried to launch near trees and buildings and failed to use the kill switch several times. NOT a good example for any learner. !!!!!
Not sure I caught your fall rate in comparison to a gas version. Also,could this be put on a trike! With a 300lb pilot? Would it even fly ? 😮 does it have that kind of power?
This also demonstrates the curse of electrification VS ICE. current battery tech just can not match the power density of a comparable volume of fuel. even when you just compare weight accounting for the heavier ICE motor its not even close. for short jaunts electric has major advantages but disadvantages start piling up the more range you want to add.
Can anyone answer a question for me? If you had the battery power and cell signal, is it legal to stream a flight? Maybe both in this sport and like a private license etc. Intrusive thoughts that need answered lol. 🤔 I feel like that's a graphic risk to some but would be cool to watch a live feed but then again the uncuts are sort of like a live video.........and ive gone down a rabbit hole 😂
Tucker, is there a quick release if you had an inflight battery fire? Not worried about the motor and speed controller, but as lithium ion batteries can have a thermal runaway when running hot I was more concerned with failure of individual cells as the pack ages with use. I don’t see any forced air cooling, or a safety high temperature shield between you and the pack. Having seen multiple people killed with unexpected battery failures on bikes and scooters, being in a isolated location that you can’t escape from with an uncontrollable fire behind me absolutely is not on my agenda! There are fire extinguishers now available to put out these type of lithium fires and that would be second on my list to fit one. First would be a release, as even with a shield, how long would your glider lines last?
There's 2 aspects for best case scenario. Time, and mileage. Sure you might stay up longer with a boaty glider but would you have made it to the helipad and back?
With batteries 🔋 it’s all about capacity 🪫 and currently gasoline ⛽️ has more power density then the best battery 🔋 on the market. So I’m not really surprised at the runtimes.
Seems like a hybrid of gas and electric would be a good compromise. Use the gas engine to power a small generator to power an electric motor, kind of like locomotives do. You'd get the instant torque from the electric motor with the longevity of a fuel based engine.
I have an sp140 and a big ol 26m mojo pwr 2 and i definitely get an hour. I few 45 min yesterday and still had 48% so size of the wing definitely matters with this motor. For what i use it for i love it.
@@TuckerGott I'm 185. It's the first gen so I've been flying it a few years now. I'll say it definitely depends on how you fly. If I'm going up high, definitely won't get that much time but when I'm just doing some fun low flying I get some good duration.
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what will happened when battery blow up on fire mid flight.
Is there any quick release to dump it ? I saw in previous video you loaded it from top...
Oh bummer. I wanted the blueprint one but it was out of stock in my size so I ordered the national Forest. Any way to change my order?
@@Pateramalina This is very unlikely with these types of batteries unless abused. They ltypically will have several safeguards built in that prevent this. I work in the RC hobby field and these batteries usually only catch fire when they are not charged properly. Using the factory charger will prevent this. Even then, they of not explode. Most info on exploding lithium batteries is simply internet bunk.
Got off the ground and gave *"a"* flight time and the form factor of just jamming a battery in there is the least complex way of both engineering and using. Surprised no counter-rotating propellers as this should aid greatly in both control and efficiency without adding a crazy amount of weight. Having a secondary "landing battery" like having a backup parachute seems critical as well so I can understand the giveaway! Some of these systems are becoming incredibly "dense" so the bulkiness of the battery might be set for a tremendous reduction for 2024 anyways. Watching what Aptera is up to for ground transportation might give a clue as to the future of pure play BEV. Turning an actual car into a flying car as pure play BEV is not as complex as people realize and that one might be the one to do it.
Where you turned around at is where I live. That neighborhood is called Castelgate. I hike that area a lot. I've probably seen you flying around too. I've wondered who that was. Now I know. Hopefully you see this comment. I have been wanting to fly like this for awhile. You around town? I would love to learn.
I really appreciate you doing this. I can't think of a more trusted tester and I was craving this information. My flying style is basically going up to 3k feet, falling with style, and repeat. However, I'm about 20 minutes from my favorite farm so the range is a concern. I bet Kyle Mooney would love this. :)
I miss your PPG videos. Have they moved to a different channel by chance?
Make more paramotor videos woody
hey woody im glad to know we watch the same stuff... btw you are the reason im financially stable... thanks for that
Looked like an approx. one hour flight time based in your 6 minute 10% usage, but 44 minutes is not too bad for an initial product. Batteries are improving, so eventually 1 hour flight will likely be achievable under normal conditions.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't excited to see this video! I've seen many of your previous reviews so I know your style, this is gonna be sick! Thanks Tucker!!
Well I'm broke at least I watch these cool videos it's like in flying awesome
Me too
An interesting comparison would be the cost of operations. What does it cost to fly 30 minutes on gas vs electric? What about maintenance costs in the long term?
Great question. Rough numbers and maybe tucker will comment. 2 strokes can do ~40-50mpg. So with expensive gas, $1=10-15 miles.
Now for electric. The big battery is 3.7kwh, which tucker used. With charging losses and heat, thats about 4kwh from your outlet. Or about $1 to charge. His normal ride was 30 minutes. Lets say he was doing 30mph. That means he went about ~15 miles for $1.
So not a huge difference in cost.
It would probably have to be over the course of a month for that to happen so he could compare his electric bill before the test to how much his bill jumps to charge the Electric paramotor over a month and then how much gas he spends on refueling an IC paramotor over a month. He'd have to make sure they have the same number of flights per month.
I imagine the Electric paramotor is going to be cheaper than the IC paramotor in terms of fueling up/charging up. Big thing with IC paramotors is that they have longer flight times and are much faster to fuel up.
@@shawnd567 Depends a lot where you live too, around here 4 kWh is about $0.28, in Hawaii it'd be like $1.25 though. Current US average is $0.155 / kWh so $0.62 for 4 kWh.
Maintenance and depreciation might be more important. I'd assume maintenance would be cheaper on the electric since it's so much simpler mechanically, although it might be harder to find expertise if you do need to fix something. The battery cells are rated for ~83% capacity after 700 cycles (0-100-0%) at 10 kW (max continuous power), not sure how that compares to ICE.
Great question!! Also, do not forget to remember to add the cost of a second battery, so you can do a hot swap, and fly for an additional 30 or so minutes. In a petrol rig, you just have the cost of the gas can, and the cost of the gas, so landing, refueling, and flying again is much more cost efficient. But, I am loving the view of instant torque, the reduction of noise, and just being different then everyone else. Thanks Tucker, for the great videos!!
The Open Ppg site has a price comparison for gas vs electric.
Some things I would like to add: I think the term "best case" for flight time isn't really typical in this case, as the vast majority of people will not be flying a sporty 16m advanced wing if they are aiming for long flight times.
Similarly, for a "normal flight," most people are not flying the most sporty wing, "the Freeride," and performing barrel rolls; this is not an average flight for an average person. Of course, most of us who fly paramotors understand that Tucker is not "normal." However, for those who dont fly paramotors, I think this could use some clarity.
As a side note, the battery Tucker is flying here is no longer available, as it has been upgraded to a larger capacity version, increasing from 3.7 kWh to 4.8 kWh. This will proportionally increase the flight time. Therefore, any orders placed going forward will include the new battery design at no additional cost. This also applies to any orders placed within the past month.
The curse of electric is that you want to fly longer then you would with gas motor. Just because it is more comfortable to fly but you cant. So that is why it's kinda a curse 😔. But batterys will just be getting better and better so it will be less and less of a curse over time.
Not sure if this is obvious, but with an EV pickup like a Ford F150 Lightning, It could easily recharge a couple extra para-motor batteries several times while flying the others. I own a Lightning, and it's GREAT. 🙂
Same goes for Hyundai/Kia/Genesis with the backseat onboard inverter or the external V2L adapter. :)
Paul's comment should be pinned!
1:52 Immediately realize this "best case test" is MISLEADING. It may be Tucker's "most efficient" glider, but it's a 16M (Ozone's smallest Viper XC), fast cruise speed, cross-country wing.... and is overloaded past Ozone's specification (225# if at 75% of the PPG range, which is already exceeded with just the weight of the PG and pilot here). All of this burns way more power than for the average PPG pilot on a properly loaded beginner to intermediate wing.
Of course, this is MY best case scenario with the gear I have available, at my weight, which I cannot change. I bet the vast majority of pilots weigh more than me. As I said, 60 minutes is surely obtainable with different gear.
If I could, I wish I could weigh 190lbs and fly a 26m Spyder as that is probably the most common setup.
@@TuckerGott Ya I probably do a vid with the Spyder 3 as that is a popular wing even if it's not the most efficient. I would love to do a video benchmarking a bunch of different wings.
It's just hard to do it all in the same environment setup. As typically I want to do the testing in zero wind so pretty much just have an hour or so in the evening when the thermals die down. But don't really have to do a whole flight on it just need to fly for a few minutes and make sure altitude is being held. So I might do that
Excellent content!!
I would really like to see a video where you use this as a paraglider for a longer flight, flying thermals and/or hang and only boosting with the motor during the start and as required to stay airborne!!
He doesn't do thermalling. Don't know why.
That would require a large and efficient wing and it doesn't seem like he have one of those or even enjoy that type of flying. But this type of motor would be ideal for that as it's easy to throttle back without issues getting it started again.
@@znail4675 Exactly my point, electric motors should, at least in theory be perfect for cutting the power and cruising, especially since the range shouldn't be as much of an issue then!
I would consider buying one for that reason alone 😊
This was my thought exactly. Seems like a good, low maint. way for “flatlanders” to climb up and get some thermal time until they have enough time to travel to a launch site.
@@kevinlind4640 A reasonable argument for electric paramotors..
My typical flight is right around 1hr to 1hr 15mins. Maybe 10% of my flights are under 30 mins so this technology just hasnt come far enough to work for me. When it does I'm on board, but not yet....
Do you feel like you could throw another battery in, and fly again? Could the motor handle it?
Openppg is releasing a 4.7kwh version this July 2024. Please test. Xoxo
Interesting video. I’d have to say I’d choose the quiet reliable electric option over the high strung noisy expensive to maintain Italian gas motors you’ve had SOOO many problems with. The battery range will just keep getting better while the crap Fix It Again Tony gas motors won’t. It amazes me how many stake their life on high strung mostly 2 stroke motors that fail with appalling regularity even with lots of expensive preventive maintenance. You’ve had gas paramotors fail more times than I can count. Some literally fall apart or self destruct in flight. For someone who claims to prioritize safety perhaps you now prioritize gas paramotor sponsors above safety?
Complete depletion of the battery is not the best for it.
Would be interesting to have a competition on who can have the longest flight with an electric paramotor riding thermals
Great tests. As I say to people, it depends what your usage case is. I love electric cars, but I don't do long drives very often. And as you pointed out, if you just want to get some air under your feet in an evening, half an hour is perfect.
"Did I just see a flying man? No, impossible" 5 minutes later "Hold up...there he is again!"
There are two of us that fly around my town. Every time one of us flies the local facebook page lights up. It’s pretty funny.
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That’s so awesome 😂🤩
This video is already out dated because open ppg no longer sells the 3.7kwh battery and it comes with a 4.8kwh battery now at the same price. That being said you could probably add 20% to all these numbers in the video. Also probably add another 10% or more because most people arent flying a sporty 16m glider like tucker is. Just some things to consider.
I loved the full length Tucker I'm Jazzed to start flying Electric.
Thanks for the video, I love the idea of an eparamotor BUT at 78 pounds… that alone is a Deal Breaker… my Power to Fly Atom 80 weighs just over 50 with fuel… more maintenance no doubt but I can’t imagine trying to carry 78 pounds and only flying 30 minutes, Thanks again
I'm curious if this is practical and light enough for just getting into a thermal and staying aloft.
also worth mentioning that as time goes on batteries degrade, especially if they're being charged to 100%.
Electric paramotors are much much simpler devices and should require a lot less maintenance (not to mention the precise "throttle" contol and instant torque makes flying a breeze), but until battery technology gets better, it really does limit the use case. You won't be out flying all day like you could be with a gas paramotor.
If you had several batteries and a generator that could charge a few at a time, you could. Probably cost prohibitive. The faster they charge, the fewer you would need for near continuous flight. You just can't get too far from the landing zone. I don't know why someone would want to fly continuously from dawn to dusk. I would think they would want breaks for meals, toilet, and leg-stretching, at the very least.
Small engines are plenty reliable. A higher end 2 cycle engine will easily match a battery pack life. The main reason why I would be interested in an electric one is decreased noise and vibration.
Tip - Always let your battery cool down before you recharge it as well.
You will get more recharge cycles out of it that way.😁
Letting it cool is safer too. Less likely to go 💥
Wouldn't the BMS prevent it from charging if it were too warm?
@@zefallafez Possibly, but i doubt it.
@@ozzie7523 Temperature sensors in BMSes are really cheap and easy. I would be seriously surprised and disappointed if this battery pack didn't use one; that's the sort of penny-pinching I'd expect from a knock-off tool battery maker, not a custom expensive niche product maker.
I would be surprised if the BMS doesn't have any kind of thermal protection when charging. That's like rule number one for preventing thermal runaway.
Even my power tool batteries won't charge until they cool down, at least the ones for my string trimmer which get the hottest.
It's relatively simple to include a temperature sensor in the pack and not charge at all until it drops below a threshold, or ideally factor it into the charge profile.
Thanks for your review. I'm very excited to someday transition over to electric paramotor. But it does not seem like the technology is quite there yet. Disappointing that you had such loss of power as the battery drained. Also, for me, the battery life would need to be x2 or x3 what you're showing for me to make that leap.
Yup thats where im at as well. Even electric cars are disappointing in this regard.
Wonder if hybrid is possible..🤔
A 2 blade prop will make a huge difference too.
Yes - I can confirm 2 blade will outferform a 3. I run many props on my long range FPV planes (R/C) and the 2 blade props are the go, I have proof through my On Screen displays and logging recharge Amps, distance travelled etc.
Tucker, thanks for the temperature check after landing. I think a rise is normal,and the cooling is adequate if you can still touch it with the back of your hand for a certain time. That shows that the thermal design of the whole engine is good. The short flying time is disappointing. 👍😊🇫🇷
Love that we're able to follow "newish" technology and see the ups and downs (no pun intended) as it grows and gets better. Thanks for being a public test person.
Also, I've watched pretty much all of your vids, and I'm frothing at the mouth for another Iceland or Nordic video ;). A man can dream, can't he?
awful print quality on that throttle
Not a pilot, but I fully agree with you man, I dont like the throttle display cutting out and the range is not there I think. I assume though more range means bigger battery and more weight so not sure if there is a sweet spot for this yet
Flight time just isn't there. I will 100% make the switch when it's comparable, just can't spend 8k on a motor for 40 minute flights. I'd be constantly worried about it and wouldn't enjoy being in the air at all.
Bingo
Perhaps suitable for primary flight training?
Sure I wouldn't see that being a problem at all. But if you're spending the same amount on an electric setup, why not just get a normal rig? You're still gonna bust the same props and snap the same lines right?
Hi is it possible to buy an extra battery so that you can land, battery swap and immediately go flying again? If it is possible to buy extra batteries, how much do they cost? And how long will a battery drained to 10%, take to charge back up to 90% from an electric vehicle with the ability to charge if (eg a Ford Lightening truck)
I have concerns about potential battery fire during flight
I’m super excited to see this. I’ve always hated small engine tinkering, and since I love my electric vehicle so much, I have been waiting for the time electric hobby motors become more standard!
13:09 tendon strain perhaps
It would be nice to see max altitude climb. Obviously different gliders perform different but something tells me you wouldn't be climbing nearly as high as your moster
Thank you for this review.
Just know that there are people who like flying these with bigger, more efficient wings, where 1 hour+ flight times can be achieved. I enjoy flying my 27m buzz, and this SP140 is perfect for that, for my style of flying.
79C for electronics really isn't that hot, at least for silicon
I'd love to see how the battery lasts for a climb & glide style of flying, like one might do for practicing wingovers and stuff. And if it's not too boring, compare cost of ownership. What I am most looking forward to is the sound testing. I feel like noise is what gets LZs shut down, and I find it fatiguing too. Silent would be amazing (and impossible) but any improvement would be exciting.
4:09 Tucker, turning around is 180, not 360 ;P
Clearly. 😉 I misspoke.
@@TuckerGottthere’s always gotta be one…
Do you think that it would be more efficient/a better use case to use this motor to power up to altitude and then glide around with it shut off for a while, rinse and repeat? Maybe chase thermals?
Something else to consider is the elevation that you typically fly. For example, I’m at 4,000’ above sea level. Because the air is thinner, you’ll require more power/thrust which will reduce flight time.
That isn't necessarily the case. Yes, you do reduce propeller efficiency as air density decreases, but lower density also decreases drag. Or thinking another way, you will fly at a higher speed for the same dynamic pressure, meaning you cover more distance for the same amount of power.
Obviously this all depends on a lot of factors like the efficiency of your wing, how physically big you and your paramotor are (thus how much drag you create) and your propeller. One thing that you don't have to worry about is power loss with altitude since the electric motor doesn't need O2 to create power.
It's hard to say for sure, but I'd put my money on flight time not changing much or slightly decreasing with altitude. But your groundspeed probably would increase with altitude, letting you cover more distance. If there really were a drop in flight time, I'd also bet a better propeller design for the conditions you expect to fly in would mostly mitigate it.
do you think it would be possible to have a second battery with you and Land shortly for switching batteries... just to maybe extend the range
4.7kw/h pack is now available. 😉
Super awesome video! In terms of video ideas, I'd love to see an altitude test, more so to learn how the effects of large changes in altitude compare between gasoline and electric paramotors. Thanks for posting!
"footage on" is incorrect phrasing. just say "footage of". is that so hard? 2:16
Nobody likes a grammar nazi.
Been watching you for years now Tucker. I wish I had the guts to fly like that. It must feel amazing.
mount a solar Panel to it so you can fly longer.
The RPM in level flight cruise would be useful.
HAHA, Love the BASE promo at the beginning 🤙🤙
Tucker, I am from Canada and coming to AZ next weekend the 27th to get my motorbike and ride it back home. Id be thrilled to come watch you fly somewhere and grab a handshake! Cheers man safe flying. If not ill be looking for ya in the skies while I'm down there.
Where in AZ is he?
@dannydaw59 mmm I'm not 100% but could be just north of Phoenix in some of his videos flying. I know there's a ppg area by the 303 I think it is.
The thing that is off putting to me as someone who is saving up for a paramotor is the thought that while a gas engine has the capability to go for a couple hours and shouldn't really lose that capability much. An electric paramotor has a realistic max flight time of around 30 minutes and that flight time will only become smaller. That's why I think it would be interesting if you could compare how much money it would take to replace the battery to how much money spent on replacement parts that a gas paramotor would need in the amount of time it would take for the electric paramotor to lose enough battery life to where you get like 15 minutes max.
Believe it or not all that info is easily googled or has been covered in the past. That battery is $2200 to replace. It is easily (with proper storage and use) going to last about 3 years for the "normal" pilot. Now factor that in to rebuilding or replacing a Moster engine over the same period, I think the results you will find will give you a astonishing outlook. Giving the fact that Gas/oil engines operate at about $6 a hour and Electric at about 70 cents, Electric could be a huge market, so much so that since Tuckers video...these things are on back order and have sold out. One point going with battery degradation on this type of battery, the worst thing to do is to drain them to zero, which Tucker just did a couple times (at least). IMHO this battery should be replaced before the giveaway. Or at least inform winner to watch it carefully.
@@repaid1 does the per hour cost include gas/electricity cost or just repair costs?
@@Bowl_of_Cereal_Gaming You can run the numbers yourself and see that they don't include both maintenance and fuel/electricity. Assume $0.3 per KWh (Texas is half that; California is double). Charging the 3.7KWh battery costs $1.11 and the battery lasts half an hour so the cost per hour is a little over $2.
To be fair to it battery capacity diminishes to 80%, and not really further unless cells die (and you can replace them). 80% of your half hour is 24 minutes, not 15, and a lot will depend on your flight style and other efficiencies in your system.
But yes absolutely if you want longer flight time then fuel still has the best accessible energy density.
That's tons long enough for me
I have been super interested in paramotoring for a long time and I am looking to start soon. I greatly appreciate your testing and it is great to see how effective the electric is compared to gas. Thank you for taking the time to do multiple trials.
Impractical video suggestion: On the way to the field put a fully charged, secondary battery pack in a buried cache upwind where you can land mid flight and swap. Get ~80-90 minutes flight time.
Even more impractical video suggestion: arrange for a buddy in a hot air balloon to dangle a second fully-charged battery below the basket. Somehow retrieve this battery and fumble dangerously with it as you try to swap out the old one. Eventually drop the spent battery back into the basket of the balloon (without maiming anyone) and then continue on your way. But yeah, maybe your suggestion is a little easier...
@@jethrobradley7850 Even less practical solution: run a really long extension cable so you can fly without even needing a battery.
@@The18107j sometimes the simplest solutions are the best
So... I'm gonna enter, because of course we all support TG, but f'ck, who wants 78lbs worth of one hour on their back? LOL! Another honest video Tucker! Staying real!
so... it's heavy, expensive, has short flight duration, can't use all of it's power all the time and in return you get more mechanical reliability and less noise. Seems like a very poor trade-off. it's EOS quattro for me
Tucker, you need to run this exact same set of tests when it's hot, or warm. 85, to 95F. I've recently learned that batteries of this type tend not to perform as well in cold, or cool weather. I'd like to see if that hold true for this batter in warm or hot weather. Of course that's also going to affect lift, and thrust efficiency, as well. Thanks for the awesome video! :)
i have an Ebike i use all year cold and hot. There is def a difference when its really cold but the battery naturally warms itself as you use it so if you have it in a temperature controlled House, then vehicle, then quick setup time the battery temp is likely not gonna change much until you get down to really cold temps that you probably would not even fly in. basically its negligible unless its really cold out.
I concur with the previous comment. I have been flying these batteries for many years and cold temps basically don't effect them when used correctly. You take them from a normal ambient temperature. Install and then fly. They easily produce enough internal temp to keep them warm well past what one would fly themselves or any aircraft in. I don't have any actual data, but would think that the cooler temps would actually promote longer battery health as the battery wouldn't "overheat" itself as it would in summer heat.
The excess heat acts as a catylst?
By the time these batteries will start to be affected you will be long-gone, and home under a warm blanket.
One thing to note though, is that on this one, you get your one 1/2 hr flight, and then you have to go home 'cause your battery needs to charge for a few hours. On a petrol paramotor, you could just refill the tank and go again. And while you could buy more batteries for this thing, they're probably quite expensive, and given how heavy they are it'd be a lot more weight than a few litres of extra fuel...
I never thought I would see the day Tucker flying a production electric paramotor.
LOL did you kick a duck 🤫
not trying to spam your notifications but i saw woodysgamertag was a fan, and thought i should say id love to see you on the PKA podcast. would enjoy hearing about some stories we dont get to see, and learning more about what circumstances you had to face to become who you are today.
Nice. I've been paramotoring for about 6 years and I'm still content flying a 28m Charger usually just for about half an hour or even less. While I feel like my paramotor community would laugh at me, this could very well be quite a good motor for my way of flying.
Great info. I was hoping i could put this exact motor on a trike, and in place of the usual gas and coolant tank, put an extra one or two batteries. If I could get the batteries in parallel, then it would use all equally, other wise I'd have to hot swap the connectors as each battery goes. The motor is probably undersized for what I want to do but I hope the company will offer improvements.
battery fire scary
Thanks for the vid! No purchase necessary to enter sweepstakes and giveaways. I admire your sense of generating revenue, but not a fan of enticing sales by leading people to think they have to buy things to enter a giveaway. Don't let the lure of profits lead you too much. Wow, the throttle housing is 3d printed? I would expect something molded or milled. 40miutes aint much, but neither is a 16 meter glider. Once battery tech doubles in efficiency per pound, I'll be looking at electric. Until then, its similar fate with cars. Works great if you dont mind short time use, don't mind lithium and don't ask about recycling/costs. Fwiw, Im a 125lb pilot that enjoys flying a 27m pg wing...
As always great video. I would say you are spot on. For your average pilot who goes for a 30 min flight after work, this is a low maintenance higher (hopefully we shall see) reliability option. Suggestion for other videos as I have seen a few other times in the comments, altitude test, how does it compare to a 2 stroke once you get about 6-7k feet?
Dude I was wondering what happens if there's a catastrophic failure with the battery and it gets on fire. It should be an easy release I think? Isn't it too dangerous? These batteries can get REALLY aggressive
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Man, that power degradation really sucks..... As the combustion engine keeps 100% power until the last drop of gas, for me, the correct comparison should be the time that the electric motor DELIVERS 100% power.
Tucker, thanks, looking forward to the sounds tests. Do some flights on more staid canopies?
Electric is cool in conjunction but it is in NO WAY the ANSWER ! Oh and free markets decides products, NOT the GOVERMENT. GET GOVERMENT out of my BUSINESS
I have flown the X4 for a couple years so I'm pretty familiar with electric power. Compared to the SP140 the X4 is less efficient due to the smaller propellers but the batteries I use are of a bit higher mass/energy density.
The advertised "40-60" mins I believe is "Flight time" not run time. You should include the time to descend after the battery runs out. 44 minutes ending at 500ft is a bit different from 44 minutes ending with 1000', or on the ground. When you're flying ICE and you have say 1 hour of fuel, you know that the climb out will burn fuel faster but you gain the time back when idling down burning almost nothing. That all said your test for the casual flight hit on the need for a 'go around' or two and leaving some juice available for that. Your test is very forgiving there because of your high level of skill and comparatively large, open, and safe LZ. I fly in an area with lots of tall trees and small LZs and I'm a newer pilot so I'd never run that over 30 minutes. I fly a boaty ;) wing and I'm only 170lbs, but I'd be wanting to be on the ground with 20% left for healthy go around performance.
Paramotor's dance
Silent wings grace the sky's call
Echoes of the Descent
What I ask myself right now is if it would be possible to do what rockets do to extend range: multiple stages/dumping empty tanks.
Have a second fresh battery hooked up that powers your takeoff and a climb (circling the launch site). Once high up, switch to the main battery, dump the second one and let it descend on a reserve chute. Now you're high up with 100% juice.
Would that even be legal?
Sounds like Lithium Ion battery performance. I wonder if they will adopt LiPo. More temperamental but better performance.
Gonna enjoy checking out advanced frames with cell-to-frame type of constructuction.
Why have aluminium empty tubes when itself can be the battery, better passive cooling, lighter ect2. 21700 and 4860 cells would be perfect
If you have a custom battery pack made, with 5000mah or 6000mah would be better 27100s or better you could achieve a longer flight time with the same weight, probably 25percent better
Well, to me - the electric is great, but not there yet... My normal enjoyment flight for a day is 1.5 hours and it could be whatever: XC or just here and there. With the overall flying weight of 160KG or 350lbs electric is simply not there for me yet. Nomatter how cool. This would be cool the electrics use all their benefits, like e.g. opposite rotating props, cageless with foldable props, quads, and maintain altitude cruise controls.
See how long you can run it at full throttle, Just keep climbing to see the max altitude you can achieve
What is the max weight of a person to use one of these? I have a 500lb friend, I wonder if he could even lift off lol.
I ride an electric scooter that is capable of 63mph. I wish I could ride 60 miles without stopping but sadly I average only around 34 miles and range anxiety is real.
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You have a battery that's made with better cells like Samsung.Or LG, which are the best right now?You won't get bad voltage sag.And you will hold the power towards the end longer
Bro, don't try touching the water with feet while flying. It would instantly crash you & may kill you. Internet is full of similar accidents. God Speed.
To be fair to the manufacturer you should ask which prop they used for their duration testing. 3 blade props vs 2 blade props will yield different power draw/efficiency/torque/speed numbers, at least in RC flying where my hobby experience is.
I've been riding electric kick scooters for a couple of years now and what I can tell you is most companies exaggerate?What the abilities are or don't give you real world information. Usually if they say a hundred miles , they are saying one hundred miles on the lowest Setting at the lowest speed.But nobody does that , so it's really usually about Half of what they say or sixty percent. But I really like electric motors. Electric vehicles are easier to maintain. Cause there's nothing to them. Really learn how to take care of a lithium battery properly. And it will last a while if you're not using it for a period of time more than a week or 2 charge the battery around 65% and store it somewhere preferably cool and dry.. Do not store it completely full or empty
I wish the flight time was longer. I really like the idea of an electric paramotor but having a 20-40 minute flight time is a bit of a bummer. Not to mention that you'd have to pay $2000 to get a backup battery. If I'm driving out to a place where I can fly, I want at least one hour.
Not that I can afford one anyways lol
I like new technology but... this electric motor somehow doesn't impress me . I am an electrician, so I was thinking maybe we can add another battery in parallel to increase the amperage and keep the voltage, but I don't know if the weight would be worth it . "Just saying.
By the way, you are still awesome . Lol
You need to have a chat with Jonas Marcinco about his recent video, Trying to fly his electric paramotor , failing to launch several times and then face planting, he had a huge field available but tried to launch near trees and buildings and failed to use the kill switch several times. NOT a good example for any learner. !!!!!
Not sure I caught your fall rate in comparison to a gas version.
Also,could this be put on a trike! With a 300lb pilot? Would it even fly ? 😮 does it have that kind of power?
This also demonstrates the curse of electrification VS ICE. current battery tech just can not match the power density of a comparable volume of fuel. even when you just compare weight accounting for the heavier ICE motor its not even close. for short jaunts electric has major advantages but disadvantages start piling up the more range you want to add.
Can anyone answer a question for me? If you had the battery power and cell signal, is it legal to stream a flight? Maybe both in this sport and like a private license etc. Intrusive thoughts that need answered lol. 🤔 I feel like that's a graphic risk to some but would be cool to watch a live feed but then again the uncuts are sort of like a live video.........and ive gone down a rabbit hole 😂
Tucker, is there a quick release if you had an inflight battery fire? Not worried about the motor and speed controller, but as lithium ion batteries can have a thermal runaway when running hot I was more concerned with failure of individual cells as the pack ages with use. I don’t see any forced air cooling, or a safety high temperature shield between you and the pack. Having seen multiple people killed with unexpected battery failures on bikes and scooters, being in a isolated location that you can’t escape from with an uncontrollable fire behind me absolutely is not on my agenda!
There are fire extinguishers now available to put out these type of lithium fires and that would be second on my list to fit one. First would be a release, as even with a shield, how long would your glider lines last?
27m on a brand new battery. Test it again in the fall :)
Can I fly in USA without license just go and buy wing with motor?
There's 2 aspects for best case scenario. Time, and mileage.
Sure you might stay up longer with a boaty glider but would you have made it to the helipad and back?
With batteries 🔋 it’s all about capacity 🪫 and currently gasoline ⛽️ has more power density then the best battery 🔋 on the market. So I’m not really surprised at the runtimes.
4:09 For us Euro's, condemned to the metric system, a reversal is commonly a 180degree turn, mr.T! :)
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Seems like a hybrid of gas and electric would be a good compromise. Use the gas engine to power a small generator to power an electric motor, kind of like locomotives do. You'd get the instant torque from the electric motor with the longevity of a fuel based engine.
So i'm gonna turn around, little 360 here. Wait... i'm going back the same direction, what did I do wrong?
I have an sp140 and a big ol 26m mojo pwr 2 and i definitely get an hour. I few 45 min yesterday and still had 48% so size of the wing definitely matters with this motor. For what i use it for i love it.
Nice! How much do you weigh?
@@TuckerGott I'm 185. It's the first gen so I've been flying it a few years now. I'll say it definitely depends on how you fly. If I'm going up high, definitely won't get that much time but when I'm just doing some fun low flying I get some good duration.