Nah. As someone who has played both MUs from the worse off side in bracket, Roy Sheik ain't anywhere near as annoying as D3 MM. In fact, I actually quite enjoy Roy Sheik. Roy loses pretty hard, but it's still a fun MU.
Hernandez Nestor Yeah you're right, I'm taking my business to more matchup accurate tshirts! Nothing looks cooler than a shirt of a nair gimp or something.
As a ness player Luma hit me out of my grabs My combos My witch time My dignity And my insurance policy, that’s why I switched into GEICO, it saves you 15% more on your smash insurance
It’s pretty ass, but one good read is all it takes to gimp Cloud as Jigglypuff. Meta Knight is much less susceptible to gimping, and much more likely to kill the poor balloon at tragically low percents. #BuffthePuff
Spindash has invincibility? Who's idea was it to give a fast and hard to hit character even more protection with invincibility frames, that's just stupid.
+AdvisorOfDark Gaming Just grab/flame choke. If you're that close to sonic doing Spin dash anyways, you should be going for a grab or spacing option like D tilt or F tilt. Maybe even Jab.
You can grab it. And in ultimate you can go the other way and regain invincibility.Not like it is useful.I will argue more about why he has a burying move.
7:25 cFive: "You still complain and still can't SDI properly after all the effort into teaching it, you lazy little piece of ......" Me: Boy, I don't wanna spend $20 on another controller because Bayo mains likes to break my analog stick.
I find it hilarious when people pretend you need to break a controller to SDI; I mean I don't get out of witch twist itself but I can generally get out of Bayo combos with reasonable SDI on both a pro controller and a 3ds. If you're actually serious then you're probably just eating every rapid jab instead of SDIing those, Mario and ZSS ladder combos, and other multi hits that you could probably mitigate or get out of.
Actually, according to Kurogane Hammer, Robin has a run speed of 1.15, putting him at the slowest run speed, barely behind Jigglypuff's 1.155. Ganondorf has a run speed of 1.218, making him the third slowest. For walk speed, Jigglypuff is the slowest at 0.7, followed by Ganondorf at 0.73, while Robin's is 0.891, putting him at only 47th out of 58 characters.
KamektheMagikoopa1 her pound is way too underestimated. If you throw it out at a player that is just about to approach you, he will likely run into it and then you can start a combo
The reason Pikachu has a great advantage over Ganon is because his small crouch/size can make him completely avoid some of Ganondorf's attacks and his amazing speed just makes Ganondorf look like a fool. (Of course, Pikachu's amazing combo potential with large/heavy/fastfallers doesn't help Ganon). I would not say it's the worst for Ganon but a definite bottom 5 for him.
Shrek not really ganon can just side b down tilt pikachu all day and kill him that way, the only way to get out is to tech but you can read that and punish
I guess I'll throw in my 2 cents here. Wario VS Lucario is generally a very annoying matchup for Lucario, and in my opinion his hardest (I main Wario btw, so I may be wrong on Wario being Lucario's hardest matchup)) Wario's Waft destroys Lucario's Aura mechanic, as Wario can easily camp out Lucario while charging Waft. Waft kills Lucario at ridiculously early percents where he barely even gets Aura, usually 30-40%, and Lucario doesn't have much to deal with Wario camping. Wario can summon a Bike and leave it onstage to wall out Aura Sphere, and Chomp can eat the projectile too, and Lucario's speed isn't enough to keep up with Wario's air mobility and ability to circle camp on numerous stages. Coupled with Wario being a heavyweight and having a great recovery, Lucario cannot kill for shit before being able to get Aura since Waft kills so early, not to mention the numerous Waft setups Wario can perform. And another thing is that Lucario doesn't possess incredible range, especially without Aura (certain moves gain bigger hitboxes with more Aura), which is especially beneficial to Wario.
@@pmahcgop6693 I went all out with learning Wario back in Smash 4, still one of the most fun times I have had. Unfortunately I hate Wario in Ultimate so I play Plant instead, lol I don't think I'll be afraid to counterpick Wario for Lucario in Ultimate though, as Wario still wins the MU easily VS Lucario in a similar manner, although Lucario has it a little easier now thanks to having slightly more airspeed than Wario. Overall, MU is mostly the same otherwise
Nah It's not that bad Cloud can combo Zard pretty hard and there's nothing it can do about it. Also your spacing has to be onpoint so Zard won't punish you. Alpharad just made a thing out of IT and yeah it's playable pretty well ;)
Or your enemies dont fight eachother and all just thrash you for being there and you cant quit so they just stand there and go to the bathroom to make you restart the app fffffff
warionino2 You could just do the infinite Pocket trick anyway, it bodies Wario hard, and when Villager has the Bike pocketed that takes a huge chunk out of Wario’s mobility, Villager can still chase Wario down with projectiles and aerials
yup. but don't forget villager vs rob an pacman especially also. it's kinda ridiculous that one neutral b utterly neuters your main's entire game plan an gives villager a stupid huge advantage. what were they thinking...?
I like the shade you threw on people who still complain because they don't practice SDI. Granted, I can't do it. Sooooo I guess I'm a lazy piece of *-----*
For Ike, I feel that Mario must be the most frustrating enemy to face. The cape and/or F.L.U.D.D will completely erase your already predictable and linear recovery moves.
Scep I beat every player who counterpicks pikachu vs my cloud. Also fatality has beaten top pikachu players. All you gotta do is spam back air and dash attack
Very nice video, but I'd like to add one matchup that is (almost) completely broken: Marth vs Wario The reason behind this is that Marth is one of the characters on which Wario's footstool combos work best, thus making it a hell of a matchup if the Wario player plays properly. Basically, if Wario hits you with a well spaced nair or an upair, he can start the combo right away and, if done correctly, he can just 0 to death Marth. So 1 footstool = 1 stock. It doesn't even have to be at 0%, there are several setups, each one depending on the opponent's %. However it's not that easy to pull off the combo, and what is more important, getting the resets for the following footstools after the first one. Still a very very hard matchup imo for Marth if the Wario player knows what to do and executes the combo correctly
Bowser/DK vs ZSS. I put Bowser and DK together because they both suffer against ZSS for the exact same reasons. ZSS is fast, has great frame data, and has an amazing recovery. Pit that against two characters that rely heavily on ground control and they can't really do anythiny. ZSS's paralyzer keeps them out very well, making it even harder for them to approach. Also due to Bowser/DK having fat asses, they are prime targets for ZSS's ladder combos. Don't even bother trying to escape because once she grabs you, you're dead. Bowser and DK are both notorious for their awful ledge and landing options. ZSS covers both of these. Once Bowser and DK land, she can immediately punish with a grab or paralyzer to start yet ANOTHER ladder combo. And at the ledge all of their options can be covered by a down smash. I'm saying this as a Bowser player that ZSS is by far one of if not his worst matchup. And I'm the type of person who thinks Bowser vs Shiek is even.
Actually, bowser vs ZSS is very do-able. You just need to learn how to pivot grab with bowser and read the kick flip with a b-air. I've won with bowser many times with that.
Why do so many people immediately assume the "speed" of a character means their run or walk? There's still ground acceleration, air acceleration, air speed, etc, etc. You could also count frame data. Either way, Ganon is the slowest
I agree with all of this. I don't mean to pull a game out of nowhere but take Ranno from Rivals of Aether. That poison dart frog is pretty good at running. However put him in the air he's about as bad as Little Mac. Okay I should give him more credit than that. He's got good moves in the air but seriously his air speed is so bad. If you ever have to recover when you go off screen and they didn't do something that launched you high into the air you're basically screwed.
Ganon also has slow attacks so you have to take that into account with the time it takes to reach them, then to attack. Robin can just charge the thunder move to force an approach and Jiggs has good air speed. Ganon is just the worst at approaching. What good is all that power if you can't get close enough to use it?
I’d like to make the argument that Melee is the most balanced. Because of... well, Cloud and Bayo. The spacies still had decent counters, while there are basically none in Sm4sh that can counter the duo in this game. There are also a large amount of unused characters in the current Sm4sh competitive scene. And no, I’m not a Melee fanboy.
www.ssbwiki.com/Fox_(SSBM) "Fox is notable for being one of only four characters in the series (the other three being Pikachu in Smash 64, Falco in Melee, and Meta Knight in Brawl) to have no disadvantageous matchups, with only three (Falco, Marth and Samus) being considered even."
I can see it being extremely frustrating for the Lucario because Sheik just destroys him in neutral. However Sheik is also under pressure because if you don’t kill Lucario early, you’re in for a bad time.
Shiek destroys him in neutral but her inability to kill gives Lucario such a huge advantage. I've literally lived to 180 vs a good Shiek and killed them starting at 11 lol Lucario favor imho
I think sheik loses, but not by enough to be even close to make it on this list. Sure she has a hard time killing at higher percents, but she still dominates neutral, and can pressure lucario offstage very well, potentially being able to gimp him at a low percent.
Sheik wins the MU. The top Sheiks agree on this as well as Tsu the top Lucario, mentioned Sheik as one of the harder MU’s for Lucario. Neutral is just so dominating for Sheik as well as the offstage play, where-as her inability to kill early isn’t even a real factor anymore. A good Sheik can play around that
In Brawl, Lucas can't do anything against Ice Climbers if he gets below the stage. I once KOd Lucas at 4% because he fell off the stage and Ice Climbers Neutral B make Lucas have to restart his Up B so keep hitting him with it and he's just delaying the inevitable.
Yeah, but Robin is faster in the air, plus his/her attacks have less start-up lag (and he/she has projectiles), whereas Ganondorf is not only slow on the ground, but also in the air, and his moves have a lot of start-up lag.
A dash is accelerating up to your run speed, it doesn't really have a speed as the movement is determined by the animation itself (it has a length though). Ganon Is the third slowest running behind jigglypuff and robin but they both have better tools to deal with sonic. Also Ganon's attacks aren't as slow as people make them out to be. Grounded, hes pretty slow but he has some quick aerials. His up air comes out of frame 6 and his nair comes out frame 7. Robin's quickest aerials are his back air and nair, which come out frame 9.
Villager vs. Cloud. Every single one of his moves beat every projectile of villy. Neutral is so hard for villy to win that‘s why cloud is almost never offstage so you can‘t gimp him often
Der Lilisimbaner probably if u think so, just do something onixpicted to catch cloud off guard add use villys fitality Plus I added a pun can u find it
I disagree, I played against a mega man who thought it was funny to spam his pellets, I made the mistake of choosing DEDEDE but thankfully his ego was so large that he was blind and stupid and I was able to punish that f*cker
I think, the MU D3 vs Mega Man is not really that hard. Still, it is really hard, but DDD can play around his pallets and make also use of the Metal blade and use it against him, if done correctly. I think, if you Play really good defensivly, Dedede is almost as hard of a MU against MM, as the other way around. The Gordo only gets reflected, if: A, the Attack does more than 3% Dmg and B: If you dont spam gordo like a fucking shit bag that thinks, the gordo is some motherfucking projectile, with the possibility get reflected. Online it annoying. Do it offline in a real Competive envirement and you get your OWN weapon to do shuffle your own grave - congrats. With the Gordos, its like the messange from Peppy Hair in Starfox for the Bombs. "Use Gordos Wisley" And I think, Dedede worst MUs are Ness AND Lucas.
Against Cloud, you must being totally defensive, and make a Bair abuse, and do amazing edegeguards. Against Megaman, its the same history... vs Megaman it's more anoying, but you can win. If you play against a Pro Diddy, Bayonetta or Captain Falco, even that you would are the best Dedede, simply you can't against this match. The spam attack of that three, reflects you all Gordos, and the same time these spam attack kills you. That it's an unfair match.
The slowest character isn't Ganondorf Ganon is the 3rd slowest, Jigglypuff is the 2nd slowest and the slowest character is Robin. Well outside of shield Shulk and shield Kirby.
+Giraffe GamezYT Ganon is 3rd slowest in run speed 2nd slowest in walk speed and 3rd slowest in air speed. He is bottom 3 in all 3 major speed stats. He is by far the slowest overall since at least the other characters have some faster movement options. Ganon is just slow everywhere.
Duck hunt vs cloud & bayo is p much impossible. Even if the duck hunt has good SDI any bullet from any attack that bayo uses instantly cripples can and the. It’s pretty much impossible to use that can.
Dh also has really no landing options. Cloud vs dh is ban because Like i said no Landing option. So dh will be juggled easily. He also doesn’t have many get up options on ledge do cloud can just space back air. Doesn’t help dh kills at like 170 and cloud kills at 90. Another little thing is putting can at ledge(one of dhs best options doesn’t apply here because clouds up b hits it right at dh meaning he will have to shield or jump. Or just avoid using can at ledge. I don’t think it’s like.. impossible but it is just frustration when nothing in your kit works.
Spyro 23 What I do set up the can and do nothing with it until bayo actually approaches into getting bombed. I also wait by the can with shield till she approaches again and gets bombed while I’m safe on shield.
With cloud I fast fall into neutral air a lot. I use it as a movement/landing option and as a means to knock the can into him,it’s helpful. I also use neutral air to punish his more laggier moves.
Great video! Although as a Falcon player I must say that facing Kirby is an absolute nightmare if your opponent abuses crouch/d-tilt and dair footstools you at 20% -.- It's much the same case for Ganon, Fox and Roy I would assume but I really only know through my tourney experience against Kirbs and it's rough to say the least
Try DDD against inkling, Even if he gets close, inkling can just roller him, and inkling has much more range than mega man, plus inkling up B has a smash effect when he hits the ground. Like if you understand!
As a Mac main, I'll have to agree on the Pacman match-up!😐 I played against a really good Pacman before and the trampoline is indeed freaking annoying. I was able to best the player like...one time due to getting my timing right, but trying to get through the projectiles, plus the trampoline was indeed a nightmare!😣 So all I gotta say is the best thing to do in this situation is to leave it up to luck!
I personally believe that Bowser Jr. Vs. Olimar is an absolute nightmare for the koopa kid. Pretty much everything Olimar does beats out almost all of BJ's options.
Dk I can definitely see being on this list, but as a diddy player i cant really agree with rosa. While I think diddy still loses the matchup because of the whole banana magnet thing, diddy actually kills luma pretty well, and because of how tall rosa is, SH fair is really good in the neutral. Shes also floaty, which is nice for an earlier killing dtilt upsmash.
Villager vs Palutena. She has a HUGE reflector that blocks his side and up smash attacks, his sideways airials, his dash attack, the watering can and falling tree from his down b, and his side b.
I honestly think thats just a fun matchup. Kirby gets monados, which is obviously very good, but shulk has a massive sword against kirby's stubs to make up for it.
Kirby doesn’t even win lol. Kirby actually doesn’t benefit much off of any Monaco other than jump, and he has to land Inhale in the first place which is gonna be hard when it has worse frame data than all of Shulk’s moves, and Kirby struggles a lot at getting in, especially with Shulk’s range
6:05 in my opinion... villager vs rockman ( that is his original name btw. not megaman.) because most of his moves are projectiles including his jab, up-air, d-air,f-smash, and all of his specials (for the recovery i think he can pocket the dog.)! so that means villager can pocket most of his moves, thus hampering mega's options.
I really thought #1 would be ganon vs bayo instead of sonic. Ganon cant approach because of bayos neutral b (its actually dumb) but if he doesnt approach than he gets hit by bullet arts accross the stage. This means that ganon generally has to be planking to be safe. Ganon *can* challenge bayonetta but it generally never goes his way
Î_Ī I main ganon and i can say that sanik is pretty much the most annoying, but like any character, you play against them enough and get use to the patterns and can make reads to punish them, bayo is just as difficult for her punish game, but bayo matches dont last nearly as long as sonics. so id take a bayo over sonic any day of the week,
There are a handful of characters I find more annoying to play Ganon against than Bayonetta though that matchup is still quite bad. I'd go as far as to say even Yoshi is more annoying than Bayonetta for Ganondorf. That dinosaur is way too slippery.
Fin0fLenster I don’t have much trouble with Yoshi as a Ganon main. Then again, literally nobody uses Yoshi, so he isn’t much of an issue either way. No, I find ROB and Marthcina far harder to deal with as Ganon. As for Bayo, well, I can’t really do much against Bayo, so I just accept my fate and let her kill me. I’ve been thinking of picking up Pikachu for that matchup, to be honest.
7:14 any fight against megaman isn't fun. All they do is spam projectiles. I get that the character revolves around it, but when you have to rely on predicting one of their actually punishable moves, it gets annoying really fast.
Shoutouts to Zelda vs Pikachu. He's short enough many attacks while crouching, including Jab, F-Tilt, Up-Tilt, Up-Smash, and her Lightning Kicks without extremely tight and reactable timing. Even while standing, he avoids Jab and Up-Tilt, two of her best moves in neutral. This limits her neutral to Down Tilt, Nayru's Love, and if you're lucky, Nair. Pika makes things worse, because unlike other short characters, Pika has amazing air speed, a safe recovery, and fast aerials to punish whiffed Nayru's Love, all while killing early with Up Smash, and being near impossible to hit with any sweetspots or Farore's Ladder without a hard read.
NeckHurt Alright you obviously know nothing about this mu. Ike out spaces the shit out of mario which means he is gonna win neutral more then mario. But mario needs 1 opening and ike takes 70%. They both fuck each other in disadvantage but mario does it better. Ike wins neutral more tho. 55 45 mario favor.
Rahul Shankar my comment was saying that Mario - Ike is a good matchup for Mario and then you commented “nice meme”. I didn’t say it was the best as you implied lmao
Similar to number 2, one thing I've run into with Ganondorf is having problems with Mr. Game and Watch. A lot of the time they will spam the neutral special and just throw sausages at me. You can't brute Force your way through it, and it can be difficult to get over it. This may just be my lack of skills though.
I like ROB. His set ups keep me on my feet, not only guessing what he's gonna do, but what he WANTS me to guess. Or did you just misspell Duck Hunt? I know, happens to the best of us.
Ender41948 For me it's both. Duck Hunt and R.O.B. are definitely in my top five most boring characters to fight, no matter how good the person who mains them is, it boils down to "spam gyro or can". It's not a hard match but a boring as hell one.
One I find annoying as a Duck Hunt main is vs Cloud. Duck Hunt can camp and approach with his projectiles. If you camp, Cloud charges his limit break. If you approach, you run into that slab he calls a sword.
We predicted 30% of your comments btw (honorable mention) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Beefy Smash Doods Roy vs. Sheik
Nah. As someone who has played both MUs from the worse off side in bracket, Roy Sheik ain't anywhere near as annoying as D3 MM. In fact, I actually quite enjoy Roy Sheik. Roy loses pretty hard, but it's still a fun MU.
Your t shirt is retarded Cloud totally beats Craptain Fagcon landing a knee or not.
I expected to see Rosa vs Luigi here, why do you guys think it’s not as bad as these?
Hernandez Nestor Yeah you're right, I'm taking my business to more matchup accurate tshirts! Nothing looks cooler than a shirt of a nair gimp or something.
As a ness player
Luma hit me out of my grabs
My combos
My witch time
My dignity
And my insurance policy, that’s why I switched into GEICO, it saves you 15% more on your smash insurance
Wow I really think this original comment of yours is one of the best comments I ever seen!
How to make a commercial about having no friends. GECKO will always be your friend.
Uganda knuckles hater I found this on discord and change the Joke to fit smash
dr. i don't know ah. Ok.
dr. i don't know your crazy, mabye I need smash incurence
Ganondorf: Don't say it!
Sonic: On your left.
Steamboat i understood that reference
What is it?
thePredman#9 lol Captain America: The Winter Soldier
@@thepredman9lol266 "You're too slow"
Hilarious😂😂😂
Worst Matchup: Bayonetta vs. You! Made me laugh so much!!
Luigikid Gaming Luigikid!! :o
It's true
Also didn't expect to see you here
Luigikid Gaming Very true
same XD
*Sworduser VS Non-sworduser*
Gotta love those well-spaced disjointed hitboxes.
Marth vs Ganondorf
*MARTH*
Poket vs gun
@@Imboredlol this aged badly
@@ultravioletxrays125 Male marth replaces marth now
Puff/Cloud is an oof
EZScape wait you play SSB4?
It’s pretty ass, but one good read is all it takes to gimp Cloud as Jigglypuff. Meta Knight is much less susceptible to gimping, and much more likely to kill the poor balloon at tragically low percents.
#BuffthePuff
It's bad but MK is worse
As a puff main, I find the cloud match up to be one of my favorites. But again it’s all bias to my opinion.
It'll take a while for Cloud to take the puff Down, Whereas meta knight ladder combo can just end the match on the spot.
Dedede main here, and my husband is a megaman main so this validates a lot
As a dedede main who has gone up against multiple mega mans in ultimate
Still sucks
@@lilforttimmy as a non dee dee dee main, still sucks
nice title buzzfeed :^)
Top 5 WORST Matchups in the GAME! You won’t believe the honorable mention!!!
You won't believe number 3!
Number 1 will blow your mind!
We determine your personality from these 5 matchups
Find out what kind of WORST MATCHUP you are with this short quiz
Guess Ganon is just
*Too Slow*
Its times like these i wish you tube let you see dislikes also. cause i know im not the only one who smashed the dislike button here.
Ganondorf*
this aged badly aswell
@@ultravioletxrays125 not really,sonic is still one of ganon's worst match ups.
They made Ganon faster in ultimate sooooooooooooooo...
Spindash has invincibility? Who's idea was it to give a fast and hard to hit character even more protection with invincibility frames, that's just stupid.
+AdvisorOfDark Gaming
Just grab/flame choke. If you're that close to sonic doing Spin dash anyways, you should be going for a grab or spacing option like D tilt or F tilt. Maybe even Jab.
Dude it's invincibility not super armor. You can't just grab through it.
Cough cough little mac
You can grab it.
And in ultimate you can go the other way and regain invincibility.Not like it is useful.I will argue more about why he has a burying move.
7:25 cFive: "You still complain and still can't SDI properly after all the effort into teaching it, you lazy little piece of ......"
Me: Boy, I don't wanna spend $20 on another controller because Bayo mains likes to break my analog stick.
I find it hilarious when people pretend you need to break a controller to SDI; I mean I don't get out of witch twist itself but I can generally get out of Bayo combos with reasonable SDI on both a pro controller and a 3ds.
If you're actually serious then you're probably just eating every rapid jab instead of SDIing those, Mario and ZSS ladder combos, and other multi hits that you could probably mitigate or get out of.
ChouRaiyuki Just want to clarify something, ZSS' UpB isn't SDIable, it has an SDI Multiplier of 0.
I meant her up airs since they string into boost kick but did not know that; thanks for the info.
ChouRaiyuki
ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU!
Lol if you think proper SDI will break your controller
ActUallY rObIN iS THe SloWesT
Sam Colin Walker
Actually, according to Kurogane Hammer, Robin has a run speed of 1.15, putting him at the slowest run speed, barely behind Jigglypuff's 1.155. Ganondorf has a run speed of 1.218, making him the third slowest.
For walk speed, Jigglypuff is the slowest at 0.7, followed by Ganondorf at 0.73, while Robin's is 0.891, putting him at only 47th out of 58 characters.
Kurogane Hammer has walk/run speeds I thought it was just frame data
robin have projectiles, ganon is slow and no one, so fucked
Actually, according to this tier list,
th-cam.com/video/Yxul_nX1azw/w-d-xo.html
Robin is the slowest if you disinclude Sheild Shulk and Sheild Kirby.
Ganondorf In Ultimate: I'm Ending Smash 4 Sonic's Career With The Power Of My *Doriyah!!!!*
*sonic gets a 20% speed buff*
Ultimate online: I’m gonna stop you right there
No it’s just that the Elite Smash matchup system is TH-cam Algorithm levels of abysmal
hayward barrows not even that, online input lag and regular lag are actual trash
Yeah right lol
“Soul-crushing” is playing as Jigglypuff in a nutshell.
KamektheMagikoopa1 her pound is way too underestimated. If you throw it out at a player that is just about to approach you, he will likely run into it and then you can start a combo
I beat my friends ass with jigglepuff ability to dodge
@YellowToaster6 against fox
The Sonic/Ganondorf matchup is alleviated somewhat by most Sonic players in casual play being absolute garbage.
That honorable mention killed me lol
Heramish Same lol
That honorable mention was wild lmao
when you make a 9 minute video to just mention how good your Gannon is
High lvl He didn't say good he said "not that bad"
You spelt it wrong. Maybe it used to be Gannon in the first LOZ game but it is now ganon
tombstone soda I’m pretty sure it’s still Gannon
@@idrovepastyourhouse-9385 nope just ganon. at least in botw
Mega man vs Dedede: *Dedede losing*
Every Dedede main in the universe: Use the *s u c c* Dedede! USE THE *S U C C*
succ didnt shoot back projectiles in smash 4
Sinderionis r u dumb?
Vibe Check Read the smash bros wiki on King Dedede
@@Master_Rater r u dumb it is true you casual
Generally considered ganon's worst matchup is pikachu, but i can understand why you'd think that sonic is more annoying
Shrek No its not, it's probably sheik or cloud
The reason Pikachu has a great advantage over Ganon is because his small crouch/size can make him completely avoid some of Ganondorf's attacks and his amazing speed just makes Ganondorf look like a fool. (Of course, Pikachu's amazing combo potential with large/heavy/fastfallers doesn't help Ganon). I would not say it's the worst for Ganon but a definite bottom 5 for him.
Homerun Hitter Sheik and cloud seem so horrible for ganon. Like 9:1 bad
Rahul Shankar Ok, I said Pikachu vs. Ganon is a bottom five, not the worst.
Shrek not really ganon can just side b down tilt pikachu all day and kill him that way, the only way to get out is to tech but you can read that and punish
I guess I'll throw in my 2 cents here.
Wario VS Lucario is generally a very annoying matchup for Lucario, and in my opinion his hardest (I main Wario btw, so I may be wrong on Wario being Lucario's hardest matchup))
Wario's Waft destroys Lucario's Aura mechanic, as Wario can easily camp out Lucario while charging Waft. Waft kills Lucario at ridiculously early percents where he barely even gets Aura, usually 30-40%, and Lucario doesn't have much to deal with Wario camping. Wario can summon a Bike and leave it onstage to wall out Aura Sphere, and Chomp can eat the projectile too, and Lucario's speed isn't enough to keep up with Wario's air mobility and ability to circle camp on numerous stages. Coupled with Wario being a heavyweight and having a great recovery, Lucario cannot kill for shit before being able to get Aura since Waft kills so early, not to mention the numerous Waft setups Wario can perform. And another thing is that Lucario doesn't possess incredible range, especially without Aura (certain moves gain bigger hitboxes with more Aura), which is especially beneficial to Wario.
Impossible?!
A well thought out comment!
@@pmahcgop6693 I went all out with learning Wario back in Smash 4, still one of the most fun times I have had. Unfortunately I hate Wario in Ultimate so I play Plant instead, lol
I don't think I'll be afraid to counterpick Wario for Lucario in Ultimate though, as Wario still wins the MU easily VS Lucario in a similar manner, although Lucario has it a little easier now thanks to having slightly more airspeed than Wario. Overall, MU is mostly the same otherwise
Honorable mention had me weak 😂
iTheta Same 😂😂
It wasnt that funny bro
I wanted to cry tears of laughter
you do you bro i just dont like itheta really
Kajbo then mind your own damn business smh
Oh ness vs Rosa it makes my blood boil as a ness even thought the competitive players are right it’s not that bad
Where's Cloud vs Charizard
One backthrow, flamethrower and cloud is done
Ilexand Yep
Where's Cloud Charizard? One Cloud Uair and Zard doesn't have squat. /s
zard sux
Is funny because I never had a bad time using Cloud against Zard. If you space yourself there's nothing to worry, that's the trick (Also Up-Air)
Nah It's not that bad
Cloud can combo Zard pretty hard and there's nothing it can do about it. Also your spacing has to be onpoint so Zard won't punish you. Alpharad just made a thing out of IT and yeah it's playable pretty well ;)
You forgot the worst of all. Me vs any online player. I push one button and my ass gets kicked.
Or your enemies dont fight eachother and all just thrash you for being there and you cant quit so they just stand there and go to the bathroom to make you restart the app fffffff
Wario vs Villager, have fun when he pockets your bike and lose half of your kill set ups and recovery
Wario has a huge advantage over villager, why would you use bike in neutral?
Shako im a villager main and a wario main
P.S I cant do combos
i have 0 experience of this match up, what advantage does wario have over villager?
warionino2 You could just do the infinite Pocket trick anyway, it bodies Wario hard, and when Villager has the Bike pocketed that takes a huge chunk out of Wario’s mobility, Villager can still chase Wario down with projectiles and aerials
yup. but don't forget villager vs rob an pacman especially also. it's kinda ridiculous that one neutral b utterly neuters your main's entire game plan an gives villager a stupid huge advantage. what were they thinking...?
I like the shade you threw on people who still complain because they don't practice SDI. Granted, I can't do it. Sooooo I guess I'm a lazy piece of *-----*
My 3ds has a broken stick
I'm in a painfull situation
123nicolas87 dood wait people still play smash 3ds
@@user-bk6nh2hp4g who doesnt?
5:19 lol git gud vyQ
:')
I relate to 5:21 on a spiritual level
I could easily avoid falling as meta knight in that situation. He totally needs to git good if he fell to death from that.
How do you pronounce your name? Is it v-y-q or "vic" or "vaik" or "vai-Q" or something lol?
"Vik" is correct
For Ike, I feel that Mario must be the most frustrating enemy to face.
The cape and/or F.L.U.D.D will completely erase your already predictable and linear recovery moves.
Ganon vs Sonic and Falcon vs Pika were the 2 most frustrating I've ever played
Scep I beat every player who counterpicks pikachu vs my cloud. Also fatality has beaten top pikachu players. All you gotta do is spam back air and dash attack
Very nice video, but I'd like to add one matchup that is (almost) completely broken: Marth vs Wario
The reason behind this is that Marth is one of the characters on which Wario's footstool combos work best, thus making it a hell of a matchup if the Wario player plays properly.
Basically, if Wario hits you with a well spaced nair or an upair, he can start the combo right away and, if done correctly, he can just 0 to death Marth. So 1 footstool = 1 stock. It doesn't even have to be at 0%, there are several setups, each one depending on the opponent's %.
However it's not that easy to pull off the combo, and what is more important, getting the resets for the following footstools after the first one. Still a very very hard matchup imo for Marth if the Wario player knows what to do and executes the combo correctly
Bowser/DK vs ZSS.
I put Bowser and DK together because they both suffer against ZSS for the exact same reasons. ZSS is fast, has great frame data, and has an amazing recovery. Pit that against two characters that rely heavily on ground control and they can't really do anythiny. ZSS's paralyzer keeps them out very well, making it even harder for them to approach. Also due to Bowser/DK having fat asses, they are prime targets for ZSS's ladder combos. Don't even bother trying to escape because once she grabs you, you're dead. Bowser and DK are both notorious for their awful ledge and landing options. ZSS covers both of these. Once Bowser and DK land, she can immediately punish with a grab or paralyzer to start yet ANOTHER ladder combo. And at the ledge all of their options can be covered by a down smash. I'm saying this as a Bowser player that ZSS is by far one of if not his worst matchup. And I'm the type of person who thinks Bowser vs Shiek is even.
McGoldenblade Dk/bowser vs rosa/tlink is alot worse than zss
Actually, bowser vs ZSS is very do-able. You just need to learn how to pivot grab with bowser and read the kick flip with a b-air. I've won with bowser many times with that.
Bowser does better than DK does against ZSS imo (i play both competitively), also Rosa is worse than ZSS for both dk and bowser.
Boze Phanlo That depends if you got rid of luma. If not, you are dead. Dk works better on rosa for some reason. But that's my luck.
McGoldenblade "Pit"
OK that Bayonetta joke was really funny.
Why do so many people immediately assume the "speed" of a character means their run or walk? There's still ground acceleration, air acceleration, air speed, etc, etc. You could also count frame data. Either way, Ganon is the slowest
I agree with all of this. I don't mean to pull a game out of nowhere but take Ranno from Rivals of Aether. That poison dart frog is pretty good at running. However put him in the air he's about as bad as Little Mac. Okay I should give him more credit than that. He's got good moves in the air but seriously his air speed is so bad. If you ever have to recover when you go off screen and they didn't do something that launched you high into the air you're basically screwed.
Ganon also has slow attacks so you have to take that into account with the time it takes to reach them, then to attack. Robin can just charge the thunder move to force an approach and Jiggs has good air speed. Ganon is just the worst at approaching. What good is all that power if you can't get close enough to use it?
But he has good framedata, i would say framedata is somthing else then speed, or at least something else then mobility
BigBoyReine his nair is a double hit move and he can actually punish sonic by abusing his armor in his attacks.
AdvisorOfDark Gaming use nair
But Ganon can easily Flame Choke to D-tilt sonic. I've done it tons of times.
What level are they?A top player won't get hit with the same move twice.Unless it is spindash,aonic can outrun flame choke.
No Ryu against Sheik?
"HURR DURR I WON NEUTRAL ONCE, UPTILT SHORYUKEN"
R.I.P. Mr. R u,w,u
JoseJFB Sheik is way more likely to win neutral though 🤔
Fox vs Ryu or Falcon vs Ryu is worse tbh
Sebastián Lara How are those bad matchups for Ryu?
DJ GJ Did my order gave it away as bad MUs for Ryu? If so, my apologies, meant it the other way around.
that's the point, and one mistake can cost you the stock as sheik, while sheik has to win it over and over til ryu is well above 100 percent.
7:22 almost spit out my water in class💀
I’d like to make the argument that Melee is the most balanced. Because of... well, Cloud and Bayo. The spacies still had decent counters, while there are basically none in Sm4sh that can counter the duo in this game. There are also a large amount of unused characters in the current Sm4sh competitive scene.
And no, I’m not a Melee fanboy.
www.ssbwiki.com/Fox_(SSBM)
"Fox is notable for being one of only four characters in the series (the other three being Pikachu in Smash 64, Falco in Melee, and Meta Knight in Brawl) to have no disadvantageous matchups, with only three (Falco, Marth and Samus) being considered even."
I wonder how Sheik players feel about the Lucario matchup. I find it both fun and rather frustrating, from the perspective of Lucario.
I can see it being extremely frustrating for the Lucario because Sheik just destroys him in neutral.
However Sheik is also under pressure because if you don’t kill Lucario early, you’re in for a bad time.
Shiek destroys him in neutral but her inability to kill gives Lucario such a huge advantage. I've literally lived to 180 vs a good Shiek and killed them starting at 11 lol Lucario favor imho
I think sheik loses, but not by enough to be even close to make it on this list. Sure she has a hard time killing at higher percents, but she still dominates neutral, and can pressure lucario offstage very well, potentially being able to gimp him at a low percent.
Lucario used to be considered the only character with a winning matchup against Sheik, but I doubt if that’s the case anymore.
Sheik wins the MU. The top Sheiks agree on this as well as Tsu the top Lucario, mentioned Sheik as one of the harder MU’s for Lucario. Neutral is just so dominating for Sheik as well as the offstage play, where-as her inability to kill early isn’t even a real factor anymore. A good Sheik can play around that
In Brawl, Lucas can't do anything against Ice Climbers if he gets below the stage. I once KOd Lucas at 4% because he fell off the stage and Ice Climbers Neutral B make Lucas have to restart his Up B so keep hitting him with it and he's just delaying the inevitable.
In Brawl, nobody can do anything against ice climbers once they grab you.
@@mitrimind1027 lol chain grabbing
Have not watch vid, but Pac v Mac better be on the list
Edit: No. 4, Nice!
As a DK main, here are my top 5 worst matchups: Donkey Kong vs *anyone*
Oh grow up you win so much against mac people call it -3
@@littlemacisunderrated412 Oh, grow up. It's a joke.
@@Dumble_Dee dude, there’s no way you didn’t like your own comment, and reply
@@littlemacisunderrated412 It's a habit. And there's no way you're taking this seriously.
Yo true!
Isn't Robin the slowest?
Yes and no.
Robin has the slowest dash speed.
But Ganon is one of, if not the slowest overall in mobility.
MrGameguycolor Ok, thanks! ^^
Yeah, but Robin is faster in the air, plus his/her attacks have less start-up lag (and he/she has projectiles), whereas Ganondorf is not only slow on the ground, but also in the air, and his moves have a lot of start-up lag.
A dash is accelerating up to your run speed, it doesn't really have a speed as the movement is determined by the animation itself (it has a length though). Ganon Is the third slowest running behind jigglypuff and robin but they both have better tools to deal with sonic.
Also Ganon's attacks aren't as slow as people make them out to be. Grounded, hes pretty slow but he has some quick aerials. His up air comes out of frame 6 and his nair comes out frame 7. Robin's quickest aerials are his back air and nair, which come out frame 9.
No, Robin isn't slower. He's slowest in term of run speed, but overall Ganondorf's still slower due to bottom tier run, walk , and run speed.
Me: *Somehow manages to dominate as Mac
Everyone: *Ness time*
Villager vs. Cloud. Every single one of his moves beat every projectile of villy. Neutral is so hard for villy to win that‘s why cloud is almost never offstage so you can‘t gimp him often
Der Lilisimbaner that's not entirely right bc it's easy af for villager to edge guard cloud
soulprodigy that‘s true but you it‘s hard to get a good cloud offstage even twice in one game because of the neutral
Der Lilisimbaner it depends there's is a method called perfect shields and cloud is pretty predictable
Der Lilisimbaner probably if u think so, just do something onixpicted to catch cloud off guard add use villys fitality
Plus I added a pun can u find it
Joseph Gutierrez no onix? I can't remember
You ever try Ness vs Dedede? Forward Smash reflecting gordo does way to much damage!
Tfw you kicked a Sonic’s ass as Ganon.
That honorable mention was pure gold! Also, what about Link vs. Sheik?
Dedede vs Mega Man is definitely awful but personally I hate fighting Cloud more
Pengwinner I still think mega id worse, myself.
I disagree, I played against a mega man who thought it was funny to spam his pellets, I made the mistake of choosing DEDEDE but thankfully his ego was so large that he was blind and stupid and I was able to punish that f*cker
I think, the MU D3 vs Mega Man is not really that hard. Still, it is really hard, but DDD can play around his pallets and make also use of the Metal blade and use it against him, if done correctly. I think, if you Play really good defensivly, Dedede is almost as hard of a MU against MM, as the other way around. The Gordo only gets reflected, if:
A, the Attack does more than 3% Dmg and
B: If you dont spam gordo like a fucking shit bag that thinks, the gordo is some motherfucking projectile, with the possibility get reflected. Online it annoying. Do it offline in a real Competive envirement and you get your OWN weapon to do shuffle your own grave - congrats. With the Gordos, its like the messange from Peppy Hair in Starfox for the Bombs.
"Use Gordos Wisley"
And I think, Dedede worst MUs are Ness AND Lucas.
Ganondorf has just as bad of a time against megaman because he has the tallest hurt box.
Against Cloud, you must being totally defensive, and make a Bair abuse, and do amazing edegeguards. Against Megaman, its the same history...
vs Megaman it's more anoying, but you can win. If you play against a Pro Diddy, Bayonetta or Captain Falco, even that you would are the best Dedede, simply you can't against this match. The spam attack of that three, reflects you all Gordos, and the same time these spam attack kills you. That it's an unfair match.
Where is villager vs mega Man?
It goes like this
Mega man: *smash attacks*
Villager:*pockets*
Mega man:pleasedonthurtme
The slowest character isn't Ganondorf
Ganon is the 3rd slowest, Jigglypuff is the 2nd slowest and the slowest character is Robin. Well outside of shield Shulk and shield Kirby.
If you factor in air speed, I think Ganon is slowest on average. Jiggs moves fast in the air and I think Robin moves faster in the air than Ganon.
dk_bawss That and even if Robin is slower overall, he still has projectiles.
dk_bawss oh ok. I was talking about run speed
+Giraffe GamezYT
Ganon is 3rd slowest in run speed
2nd slowest in walk speed
and 3rd slowest in air speed.
He is bottom 3 in all 3 major speed stats. He is by far the slowest overall since at least the other characters have some faster movement options. Ganon is just slow everywhere.
Fun Fact! Ganon's moveset is slower than him.
Duck hunt vs cloud & bayo is p much impossible. Even if the duck hunt has good SDI any bullet from any attack that bayo uses instantly cripples can and the. It’s pretty much impossible to use that can.
Dh also has really no landing options. Cloud vs dh is ban because Like i said no Landing option. So dh will be juggled easily. He also doesn’t have many get up options on ledge do cloud can just space back air. Doesn’t help dh kills at like 170 and cloud kills at 90. Another little thing is putting can at ledge(one of dhs best options doesn’t apply here because clouds up b hits it right at dh meaning he will have to shield or jump. Or just avoid using can at ledge. I don’t think it’s like.. impossible but it is just frustration when nothing in your kit works.
Raito beat tweak yesterday I believe so it’s possible but yeah it’s hard
Spyro 23 What I do set up the can and do nothing with it until bayo actually approaches into getting bombed. I also wait by the can with shield till she approaches again and gets bombed while I’m safe on shield.
With cloud I fast fall into neutral air a lot. I use it as a movement/landing option and as a means to knock the can into him,it’s helpful. I also use neutral air to punish his more laggier moves.
Dellen Brochure you don’t understand. She doesn’t have to approach When she has nair and d tilt
Damn BSD calling everyone out
Great video! Although as a Falcon player I must say that facing Kirby is an absolute nightmare if your opponent abuses crouch/d-tilt and dair footstools you at 20% -.- It's much the same case for Ganon, Fox and Roy I would assume but I really only know through my tourney experience against Kirbs and it's rough to say the least
The honorable mention is the best!!!
Twanonite D'Coolette It gave me life oml
Try DDD against inkling, Even if he gets close, inkling can just roller him, and inkling has much more range than mega man, plus inkling up B has a smash effect when he hits the ground. Like if you understand!
Why isn't bayos face in that knee
Trainer_ UpTilt
Is this girl from Boku No Hero Academia?
Maiza Yahia yeah
Trainer - UpTilt
#BNHAforlifuuuss!
Trainer- UpTilt
The reason why bayo face isn't get hit from the knee because respect of "wamen" xD
Probably because Cloud is more the For Glory's favorite than Bayo
the most friendship crushing thing I've seen in smash was us discovering the dodge and learning to juggle ...
0:21 smash 4 is one of the better balanced smash bros titles.
not joking.
*cough cough* brawl meta knight *cough cough*
TBH I don't think the Jigglypuff v MK matchup is quite as bad as people say it is. I have FAR more trouble against Corrin than I do against MK
Why?
yo yo you didn't think about Olimar/Kirby? That copy ability is the most frendship-ruining MU!
I know right
Wii Fit vs. Kirby is another anger-inducing matchup, that imo becomes a 100:0 once Kirby inhales you.
Robin is the slowest character in Smash 4...
but she has projectiles, and not even one but many many options
@@tthiagob5088 yes, because everytime i play against one it is always female, it is like the male one doesnt even exist
sHieLd!
As a Mac main, I'll have to agree on the Pacman match-up!😐 I played against a really good Pacman before and the trampoline is indeed freaking annoying. I was able to best the player like...one time due to getting my timing right, but trying to get through the projectiles, plus the trampoline was indeed a nightmare!😣 So all I gotta say is the best thing to do in this situation is to leave it up to luck!
Worst Matchup Ever Bayonetta VS Literally Anything
Ali Muhammad Murtaza Even then! 😄
I personally believe that Bowser Jr. Vs. Olimar is an absolute nightmare for the koopa kid. Pretty much everything Olimar does beats out almost all of BJ's options.
Remake this in ultimate please!
As a Toon Link main I would like to know if there are any bad match ups for the hero of winds?
Most balanced game but yet bayo is so much better then any other character. At least melee has 5 ops
Except melee's top 5 overshadow the rest if the roster. If you're are not top 5 in melee, you are complete trash
@@MegaPokefan97 melee is top 1 only
lecorbak u can also use falco and marth
Some on my list:
Corrin vs. Ness
Kirby vs. Sonic
Just about any heavyweight vs. Zero Suit Samus
Not even a mention of Rosa - dk or diddy - dk?
Shmayd they mentioned it by showing a clip in the beginning
Dk I can definitely see being on this list, but as a diddy player i cant really agree with rosa. While I think diddy still loses the matchup because of the whole banana magnet thing, diddy actually kills luma pretty well, and because of how tall rosa is, SH fair is really good in the neutral. Shes also floaty, which is nice for an earlier killing dtilt upsmash.
Aaron Rafferty Pretty sure he means Donkey Kong vs. Diddy Kong
Villager vs Palutena. She has a HUGE reflector that blocks his side and up smash attacks, his sideways airials, his dash attack, the watering can and falling tree from his down b, and his side b.
Ness vs. Rosalina.
Neither my opponent nor I knew that Ness's FSmash reflects Luma.
God, that was a hilarious way to end the match.
Don't Robin and Incinaroar run slower than ganon now?
More top 5s
Hey I saw you on Smash Amino.
I'm that Diddy main who offered you to help you with Diddy.
Still unfortunate we don't use the same console...
The Tarus oh hey
Hi
Mega Man vs Palutena. All-Projectile vs. Best Reflect. Even the best Mega Man mains often switch to another character just to avoid the frustration.
1) Kirby v Shulk
2) Kirby v Shulk
3) Kirby v Shulk
4) Kirby v Shulk
5) Kirby v Shulk
Jake Stavinsky How exactly?
Jake Stavinsky severely exaggerated. Honestly, shulk outranges kirby so hard it's hilarious.
I honestly think thats just a fun matchup. Kirby gets monados, which is obviously very good, but shulk has a massive sword against kirby's stubs to make up for it.
Kirby doesn’t even win lol. Kirby actually doesn’t benefit much off of any Monaco other than jump, and he has to land Inhale in the first place which is gonna be hard when it has worse frame data than all of Shulk’s moves, and Kirby struggles a lot at getting in, especially with Shulk’s range
True, Kirby gets a lot more mileage with Andorra.
Ness: Up B
Rosalina: Down B
Ness: :'(
Rosalina: You won't be needing that. >:)
if you make a part 2 number 1 should be mega man vs sheik
*that matchup is literally hell, just ask the mega man discord*
Villiger:am I a joke to you
6:05 in my opinion... villager vs rockman ( that is his original name btw. not megaman.) because most of his moves are projectiles including his jab, up-air, d-air,f-smash, and all of his specials (for the recovery i think he can pocket the dog.)! so that means villager can pocket most of his moves, thus hampering mega's options.
I really thought #1 would be ganon vs bayo instead of sonic. Ganon cant approach because of bayos neutral b (its actually dumb) but if he doesnt approach than he gets hit by bullet arts accross the stage. This means that ganon generally has to be planking to be safe. Ganon *can* challenge bayonetta but it generally never goes his way
Î_Ī But a witch can never beat a warlock! Ganon is the szpirior character.
Marisa Nya But Sonic’s an obvious high tier. So is RosaLuma.
Î_Ī
I main ganon and i can say that sanik is pretty much the most annoying, but like any character, you play against them enough and get use to the patterns and can make reads to punish them, bayo is just as difficult for her punish game, but bayo matches dont last nearly as long as sonics. so id take a bayo over sonic any day of the week,
There are a handful of characters I find more annoying to play Ganon against than Bayonetta though that matchup is still quite bad. I'd go as far as to say even Yoshi is more annoying than Bayonetta for Ganondorf. That dinosaur is way too slippery.
Fin0fLenster I don’t have much trouble with Yoshi as a Ganon main. Then again, literally nobody uses Yoshi, so he isn’t much of an issue either way. No, I find ROB and Marthcina far harder to deal with as Ganon. As for Bayo, well, I can’t really do much against Bayo, so I just accept my fate and let her kill me. I’ve been thinking of picking up Pikachu for that matchup, to be honest.
7:14 any fight against megaman isn't fun. All they do is spam projectiles.
I get that the character revolves around it, but when you have to rely on predicting one of their actually punishable moves, it gets annoying really fast.
Can you please do the top 5 most fun match ups?
CGI captain falcon vs ike imo
Sheik vs DK
DK vs Zss
Ness vs Corrin
Falcon/Ganon vs Pikachu
Peach vs Any Fast Sword character
Mac vs Pac-Man
Falcon vs Falcon
Worst matchup my villager vs u
Shoutouts to Zelda vs Pikachu. He's short enough many attacks while crouching, including Jab, F-Tilt, Up-Tilt, Up-Smash, and her Lightning Kicks without extremely tight and reactable timing. Even while standing, he avoids Jab and Up-Tilt, two of her best moves in neutral. This limits her neutral to Down Tilt, Nayru's Love, and if you're lucky, Nair. Pika makes things worse, because unlike other short characters, Pika has amazing air speed, a safe recovery, and fast aerials to punish whiffed Nayru's Love, all while killing early with Up Smash, and being near impossible to hit with any sweetspots or Farore's Ladder without a hard read.
*Just sdi* : ^)
Very serious question: how to SDI without ending up with a sore thumb? Most methods I've found require mashing the stick ten times a second
Ike - Greninja.... Have fun yall!""
5:43 what makes it even worse is that metaknight is a small character so it's harder to connect the rest setup.
Anyone vs cloud
Anyone vs bayonetta
Anyone vs sheik
Anyone vs Rosalina
Anyone vs ness
Anyone vs Mario
CTBG_PolarFlare913 what about anyone vs villager
CTBG_PolarFlare913 and anyone vs sonic?
I beat all of them
Ness and Mario? Eh. The rest of this list, yes(if you don't play and practice)
Bayonetta is impossible to beat atleast for me
That hard ass call out in the honorable mention had me screaming laughter. Bless you BSD
Mario - Ike
NeckHurt Nice meme. Ike may be shit but mario ain't his worst mu
Rahul Shankar (1) you said nice meme (2) I didn’t say Mario is his worst mu (3) it is my opinion (4) Cape alone counters Ikes sideB and recovery
NeckHurt Alright you obviously know nothing about this mu. Ike out spaces the shit out of mario which means he is gonna win neutral more then mario. But mario needs 1 opening and ike takes 70%. They both fuck each other in disadvantage but mario does it better. Ike wins neutral more tho. 55 45 mario favor.
Rahul Shankar my comment was saying that Mario - Ike is a good matchup for Mario and then you commented “nice meme”. I didn’t say it was the best as you implied lmao
I already knew it was a 55-45. I was commenting about when Mario does actually get in, he fucks him up which is why I didn’t say *best* mu
C5:Ganondorf is the slowest character
Shield Shulk, Jiggs and Robin: Yeah that sounds right
Falcon is overrated
Similar to number 2, one thing I've run into with Ganondorf is having problems with Mr. Game and Watch. A lot of the time they will spam the neutral special and just throw sausages at me. You can't brute Force your way through it, and it can be difficult to get over it. This may just be my lack of skills though.
Most irritating match-up?
I think you'll find it's Sonic vs anyone.
Because Sonic is THE most boring character in Smash.
Closely followed by ROB.
I like ROB. His set ups keep me on my feet, not only guessing what he's gonna do, but what he WANTS me to guess.
Or did you just misspell Duck Hunt? I know, happens to the best of us.
Ender41948 For me it's both. Duck Hunt and R.O.B. are definitely in my top five most boring characters to fight, no matter how good the person who mains them is, it boils down to "spam gyro or can". It's not a hard match but a boring as hell one.
This is awesome this should be a series maybe do the entire casts worst match 1 or 2 match ups
One I find annoying as a Duck Hunt main is vs Cloud. Duck Hunt can camp and approach with his projectiles. If you camp, Cloud charges his limit break. If you approach, you run into that slab he calls a sword.
Pro Pikachu vs Pro Bowser is brutal too. Bowser hardly stands a chance. Pikachu's too fast and he throws lightning bolts non-stop.