The State of Faith in America | The Belief in God | Larry King Now
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- The State of Faith in America | The Belief in God | Larry King Now
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According to a recent Pew Research Center poll, religious disaffiliation in the U.S. is at an all-time high. A panel of religious leaders and nonbelievers joins Larry to discuss this trend and what it means for the future of faith in America.
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It's like a couple of graduate students trying to explain chemistry to a couple of 2 year olds.
"Is there any evidence which would convince you to change your mind?"
"No."
The essence of EVERY believer..... :(
+BannorPhil Not really every believer, but here is a question. Would any evidence convince you that you are not living, that you are not real? This is the type of question one asks if they ask a believer if there is any evidence that would convince them to change their mind, its as real as your hand (assuming you have a hand) for real believers.
+Benjamin sMITH "its as real as your hand (assuming you have a hand) for real believers." There's a big difference. Apart from a few mentally disturbed people we all believe we are real and we all believe we have hands (if we have). With religion the religious reality is dramatically different for different religions. They are not just different they are contradictory. So the firmness of belief in something that's not verifiable is worthless since most people must logically be mistaken in this belief.
+al jones The difference is maybe that I as an atheist accept that I have a hand. If I would accept the fact that my hand is not real, what would that change?
It's a shame that idiots outnumber rational people.
Lawrence handled this really well, and put out some great points that hopefully will get certain viewers thinking and questioning critically.
All it showed was his little dog syndrome and hatred toward a god he disbelieves in , ironic
I love that scowl everyone gives David when he denies evolution
The internet and people's large and quick access to information plays a big part in it. It's hard to keep someone cut off from the truths of the world.
+youtime18 What truths?
That was deep haha
Only Krauss presents a supportable argument in this discussion. The other guests talk about what they want to be true, but they have no evidence for what they say. "I believe in what the Bible says" is not proof of the existence of a god.
I love how Krauss uses my argument about hell disproving "god" is loving. Death absolves "sin" - if it doesn't why kill "Jesus"???? The thought of torturing for eternity is vengeful, not loving, and was created to control the masses. There's no such thing as an afterlife - it was contrived in order to exert power over the uneducated.
The other guests seem to be filled with some type of manic or hypersensitivity over an event; however the man who made the movie, bends the way the wind blows. He's been taught to feel, think, and be moved this way - my guess, from childhood. Indoctrination only works if it happens at a young age, or there's a profound weakness. How lucky he was to be born into a Christian home - phew - he could have been born into a Jewish home and then he'd have to suffer in hell for choosing the wrong religion. I really do not care what people believe - however, it's not the individual who's the problem anymore. Religions to me, are like gangs, and they want total control on their territory. History has shown us they will do everything they can to keep control. Why do you think religions alike are attacking and thwarting science??? Observable truth has already debunked so much of every religion's beliefs - science is a real threat!!!!
We have proven that it is impossible for the vast human genome to have come from just two individuals, the earth is far greater than 6,000 years, and that it is impossible for a global flood to have occurred. I'm not even going to get into the ridiculousness of the bible's claims of people living into their 100's or that "god" stopped the earth from spinning for a day to complete a war. If "god" had that power, he would have made a perfect creation!!!! No species is perfect - not even close!
I'm just glad there are people like Krauss, Dawkins, the late and great Hitchens, and Harris, et al. These individuals have the letters behind their name to shake up the system. Ultimately, I just want a secular government, educational system, and healthcare system. Religion needs to stay at home, period. No more killing people over myths - we should be passed all that by now!!!
That guy did the whole "if we were closer to the sun" bit. What a fool. And Krauss should have corrected him.
It's such an obvious fallacy when you just consider it for a moment.
If the earth were closer to the sun we simply wouldn't exist and wouldn't be pondering the question to begin with...
To Fernando. Not even that. Does the guy know that the earths orbit is not a perfect circle? We are not consistently 93mil miles away. We are not right on the border between what's habitable and what will kill us. I'm pretty sure that earth gets like 3 mil miles closer to the sun in January and 3 mil away in what June or something.
It looks like any correction was edited out. Look closely at the video it jumps at this part. I'm sure Krauss would not have let that one pass by.
Great Comments all around. Krauss sort of jokingly dismissed this one point as ridiculous, but it may have also been edited as Paul points out.
The creatard on the right is extra special.
'God's Not Dead' is a unbelievable misrepresentation of the atheist perspective. And anyone using the christian arguments from the movie in real life, wouldn't last 5 minutes in an argument.
My only problem with religion is its forbidding contraception. The main cause of never ending poverty and misery for billions of people.
"I used to be one (an atheist), when I was in college. I had the record for converting christians to atheism on my college campus."
it's a privilege listening to Dr. Krauss and how these so called believers just seem so childish and clue less talking in front of him.
It's weird how they can just accept not seeing or hearing their god.
What is it with people who say they'd murder their neighbours without faith, that's scary.
Lawrence Krauss and David A R White on the same program is a true study in intellectual contrasts.
Is it not reasonable to think of religious people as cowards....not brave enough to face life without a childish and invisible IMAGINARY friend?
Should've had Sam Harris there, there wouldn't be much talking in his presence.
It amazes me that those believers constantly believe in an all-good, all-powerful, loving, perfect god, while at the same time being aware that many innocent kids die of starvation and disease as I type this, or many christians right now are being beheaded in Syria and Iraq. A loving, good god would NOT allow this to continue for so long.
Then we hear the old "free-will" argument, or "god will send them kids to heaven, don't worry" argument. And I'm like - wait, the free-will of bad guys are more important than the lives of the innocent? And god would stand by and watch as innocents are tortured, instead of just sending them straight to heaven WITHOUT causing so much suffering?
For an all-powerful god who loves his creation, he's doing a terrible job so far.
A great discussion. I believe that religion is an archaic way of thinking and that we are on the cusp of shedding those primitive beliefs. People do not need the fear of God or eternal damnation to be good to each other.
Religion is 3000 yr old science fiction. Any one agree? Disagree?
Disagree. Science Fiction can be interesting and awesome. Religion is neither.
Karl Schroeder
Drop the science bit, it's just fiction.
The religious defenders had nothing of value to say. Everything they said was the same old groundless and useless drivel that's at the core of religious belief.
I can appreciate the black gentleman's focus on doing good. But grownups simply do not need to presuppose bullshit like the Jesus myth to justify doing what will benefit other people.
And as always - Lawrence Krauss nails it.
I dont agree with anything they said factually, but they did say a fair bit i think about how religious people understand their religion. Believing as a child, slowly adapting their frame or reference and the emphasis on personal spiritual feelings that you could compare possibly to meditation, hopeful placebo or low level psychosis.We don't need mythology and its harmful to society at large for sure, but i thought it was good to hear believers being open about their beliefs because even grown ups are driven by emotion as well as rationality.
i agree with junteroly when you say "the creatard on the right is extra special" greatest quote i've ever heard.
Although im a believer, you have to be an idiot to deny science. Atheists believe science will prove that there is no god but i think the exact opposite. I believe science will one day prove that there is a god.
in fact only recently it has been discovered that there is actually a science to faith, and that it has much to do with the powerful subconcious mind. But the fact that faith has been taught by religious/spiritual leaders long before scientists began to study it, cant be ignored
I've heard this phrase a little too much. "religious faith is about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ"...That's such a nonsensical cop-out. The phrase really says two things:
1) There's no supporting evidence for my belief system so I have to retreat to the "personal relationship" line, to exempt myself from criticism or ridicule. Spoiler alert, it's not that effective.
2) You implicitly or unconsciously recognize that there are variations in how our brains interpret the world around us, essentially we interpret objective signals in a way that supports our beliefs- so we can't really trust our own interpretations all the time- best if we try to recuse our beliefs from the process and interpret the evidence as objectively as we can. Science helps us do that- Religion is the opposite.
There is historical evidence that back up the claims of the existence of Christ. Why are people saying there is now evidence? There is literally thousands of manuscripts discussing the existence of a man named Jesus Christ who performed miracles and died in the cross. Also, those who believe in Christ have experienced Him and seen them in their life. It’s not an excuse to say that they have a relationship with Him, it’s how they can explain that they have experienced His goodness and real-ness. Hopefully, one day, God let’s you see Him.
"DR" Michael Beckwith..? What is the Doctorate in? Or is it like Dr Kent Hovind?
SOAS007 I think it's in ministry or something.
Just because you make a movie called "God's Not Dead". doesn't mean he was ever alive.
Just watch "The old PATH" by bro eli soriano and all your question about God will be answered
Come Judgement Day yall will Toast.
it gets into some ugly areas but i am no fan of god. that being said, after hearing some interviews with Neale Donald Walsch i decided to read The Complete Conversations With God series. amazing in every positive way. whether you're an atheist or a fervent believer i cannot recommend that series highly enough
Thanks for the recommendation I guess
Lawrence Krauss looks so badass with that new facial hair
I would like to clone dr krauss to have him as a guide thru my life
Pretty interesting but didn't feel like it addressed 'the state of faith in America'.
People can be argued out of their faith.
I like this unaffiliated Christian and the spiritual guy. Unaffiliated Christians (not to be confused with non-denominational Christians) are not usually the kind of people that is trying to convince you into accepting their beliefs. They are people who are disappointed by the dogmas and the religious leaders and just pick what they like from their home religion and leave the unwanted burden behind. In a truly secular society, religious people of different affiliations would discuss public matters and solve society problems by seeking arguments that are not solely based on their religious tenants. Unaffiliated religious people and spiritualists tent in that way.
But, on the other hand, this type of thinking can also be seen as lack of commitment. If I have firm principles, I can apply them as a criteria for what to keep and what to abandon from my home religion, political party or pet ideology; but this process can also be done just by gut feeling. I.e. keeping the comfort of religiosity without the burden of doing good deeds.
Hyde Hill I mean the guy who appears via Skype, not the foundie filmmaker.
rataflechera Yeah I realized my mistake later and hence deleted the comment. Sry about that.
its kinda obvious looking at these 2 groups who are the religious and who are not, no?
that was painful
I'm an atheist and I am at a stage in my life, 36 years old, where death still frightens me. Probably because I love life so much and I'm far from having experienced everything that I'd like to. But this 'anxiety' about death has never and will never cause me to set aside my sanity and intellect, by adopting to some centuries old fairytale. I believe that this anxiety about death is the most common of human traits and sentiments and is the main source of fuel for religious beliefs. I get why people are drawn to and hang on to their religious beliefs.. My hope and expectation is that as I grow older this anxiety will start to wear of. In the mean time I see no other option than to try to live life to the fullest and make every day count..which isn't always easy, but hey, keeps things interesting at least :)
Nobody is here on purpose. We are all going to die. God is dead. Let's hope science figures shit out.
You should not be afraid, when you die your brain goes with you .. so there will be no regrets, fear, memories.. nothing... it will be like nothing has happened at all... there will be no you.. I think the most altruistic thing to do is not to leave our loved ones any kind of trouble...
how do you know you're not dead already?
ahyaok100
That's the same thing as not being sure if this is real life or a computersimulation, I'll take the blue pill then ;)
Alright but my opinion is that your dead but you don't know it. Like in the Sixth Sense..
Im sad that Krauss didnt rip the guy a new one for misrepresenting atheist in Gods Not Dead.. not to mention it was a complete wash of a theistic message filled with lies and misinformation.
It seems from the abrupt and rough edits like a lot of Lawrence Krauss's arguments about science and cosmology got censored out which is a real piss off. Especially when Krauss had a chance to take the piss out of the colossally ignorant statement about the earth having to be an exact distance from the sun. Fact is the earth is roughly three million miles closer during the northern hemisphere's winter season and earth's angle of axis has shifted considerably over it's existence.
The bald dude with the dreads is creepy, even more creepy than that Nickelback dude
Its the same old tired argument over and over that sadly is an argument of necessitation. Over time ( which is possibly why these are always done) you will witness the religious zealots using science terminology and converting it to religious jargon. With each talk religious zealots, who have a morsel of doubt, pick and choose phrases and theories then make romantic, religious memes. As far as I know religion is about money, power, corruption, deceit, and control. Deepak Chopra and Murican evangelists make a fortune in romantic, quasi philosophical, death memes. Asks yourself this. How much money is the esteemed Lawrence Krauss making sharing knowledge and rejoicing skepticism?
"It's obvious they are getting closer and closer to the edge where they can cure anything. Meanwhile the world is moving closer and closer to the edge where they can kill us all. It's very interesting: science is going in one direction and politics is going in the other. I'm still an optimist. I think when people give up doing stupid things, it's like walking into a wall, eventually you start looking for the door and you do something intelligent. The human race has to do something intelligent in the next 10-20 years. It just can't go on screwing up everything." - Robert Anton Wilson
"Why are Americans becoming less religious" - Because there is no god. Ta-Dah!
19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. (John 3:19-20, ESV) tah dah!
@@abuelb Very well said😎
For once... FOR ONCE, I want to hear someone explain their religion and faith.. WITHOUT using the fucking bible or some ancient book. Imagine how much more powerful faith would be if it came from nowhere instead of a book written back during the stone age. Just imagine the power it would have if the believers didnt have to rely on contradictory and immoral writings.
He said teaching children about God is child abuse and shouldn't be allowed. So he wants to impose his belief on other people's children. This atheist is being a hypocrite.
Its a shame Krauss does not kn ow what he's talking about. Neither does the other guy...
Please feel free to let use know why.
You know what dude, I have to say something about this. I'm guessing you're a special kind of stupid, aren't you? All I ask is, what is the basis for you considering that Dr Krauss knows nothing? I would like to hear the evidence to support your argument.
You DO realize that Lawrence Krauss is an astrophysicist on the cutting edge of his field, right?
Dr Krauss, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Michael Shermer, Daniel Dennett, James Randi, Dr Neil deGrasse Tyson, and of course my favorite of all Dr Carl Sagan; all know what they are talking about. Their views and what they say strongly suggest that the religious people are the ones that are wrong. Thank you! I'm only mention them all; because I feel that this person clearly knows nothing of what he's talking about. Before he even attempts to make an argument, he should want to read one of their books and,or see a video, or hear an audiobook to actually put some knowledge in his brain. Instead of believing and thinking of his ideology that was written by stone aged goat herders and tribesmen.
MultiMayhemGaming Such elegant restraint. :)
Yet more ignorant theists. Good grief.
Krauss is da bauss!!!
There have always been many sickly people among those who invent fables and long for god. They have a raging hate for the enlightened man and for that youngest of virtues which is called honesty. They are always looking back to dark ages, always want to be believed in and doubt to be sin.
They neglect the voice of a healthy body and would dearly like to get out of their own skins, that is why they listen to preachers of death and preach themselves an after world.
-Zarathustra
Christopher Hitchens recommends hate in some situations, very rightly.
Atheists are speechless when they are being asked who created DNA.
Because we don't know. We don't know how DNA started exactly.
"Christianity is about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ." How can you have any sort of relationship with someone who is not there?
Its called faith. Believers walk by faith not by sight. Faith in Jesus Christ is a gift from God.
He is there and you will find out come judgment day hopefully it’s not too late God Bless you 🙏🏽
God doesn‘t ne a pr!! They gonna know it after death. They don‘t wanns believe god. Ok. Don‘t believe. It is your choice. There will be no unbelivers after death.
What a bias "omg" the guy with the funny blonde hair tells he is not sure whether evolution is real or not. What a liar, he has no idea about evolution, how could he tell? The right answer would be that "I have nooo clue about evolution, so I can not answer." And if he had a bit of honesty at all, maybe he would listen to a scientist on this. P.S. Maybe he should not make a film about things he does not know at all.
that dude looks a little like Sammy Hagar.
Wow all the athiest are so condescending. Where is the proof that God doesn't exist?
Tim Kazee That's a very backwards way of thinking. Religious people are the ones claiming that god exists, until they can prove that god actually does exist there's no reason to accept that.If I said that yesterday I bought a Ferrari, and when somebody asks if I really did that, I'd answer with: ''prove that I didn't buy it'', would it make sense? Absolutely not.So why is god different? Oh, right, because you can only experience god personally. How convenient.
Atheistic view: until the wind proves and shows itself to me then I won’t believe it exist! So because you can’t see it means it doesn’t exist? Because you don’t believe in the intangible does that take away from its validity? The argument is about existential evidence not rather or not you cant prove you bought a Ferrari you KNOW already exist!
Krauss is way too acerbic, you cannot convince a believer or someone on the fence by being so arrogant and dismissive. NDT, Sagan and Sam Harris are way better in this regard.
Krauss' book "A Universe from Nothing" has so many mistakes from a scientific/physics perspective, it's kind of sad that so much of the public has been manipulated into thinking what Krauss says is real science, when it is not. For example, see: arxiv.org/abs/1405.6091