I know this isnt a dreadblade video but im very looking forward to including my new knight abominant in my death guard army. Planning on giving my lord of contagion the droning aura (mortals on battleshock tests) and letting my knight terrorize the board while the rest of the army does the work. Great video!
Did you notice the harbingers of dread -1 to leadership is by model. So stacks -1 per knight model if you can get multiple knights within range of same enemy unit. Getting a -2 or a -3 to their leadership test could actually make the tule interesting with a bunch of little nights if you can get close enough.
I had to double-check this since I've never seen this mentioned before, but this seems legit. This kind of changes my perspective on Harbingers of Dread a little. Looking this up I noticed that Ld can never be worsened beyond 9+ but that's specifically a limit for the Characteristic being modified, not for dice rolls being modified, and per core rules, only to hit/wound are capped at +/-1 so you could have a minus 3-5 modifier quite consistently if you're sitting in the midboard with a lot of wardogs. Cool find,
This is way after you posted this, but I think that this doesn't work because units can't be affected by multiple instances of the same aura ability at the same time.
The Aura of Terror enhancement is actually quite nice, since an enemy unit looking to take your objective needs to take a Battleshock test if it is below starting strength at -1. If they fail their Battleshock their OC will be 0 and you'll hold on to your sticky objective.
My Chaos Knights suffered an inglorious defeat last night against T'au. Mostly because I apparently forgot half of my rules!! Didn't know about knights of shade of that the Abomonant was a psyker! xD
The "battle shock test with any wound at all" rule really gives some value to indirect fire havoc launchers if you go first, even if they just scratch the enemy.
Thanks for the great video! To clarify, can the Knights can force a unit below half strength to take two battleshock tests in the battleshock step of the command phase? The rule seems to require a separate battleshock test for all units that aren't at full strength, regardless of whether those units might have to test for battleshock again on account of being below half strength. But the Designer's Commentary could be read to suggest that anything below full strength must simply test for battleshock once during that step.
For what it's worth, I think the answer is that only one test is made for half-strength units within 12" of a knight during the battleshock step, but it'd be great to get confirmation one way or another.
@@chriscutler7588 You can't anymore after the pts nerf, now its 3 Abominates, 1 Rampager, 1 Huntsman, with 100 pts for whatever enhancements you want. Most over looked this comment, but I've won far more games off forcing Battleshock tests than my club would like to admit. lol And yes, that's exactly how you play this list. "Deal with this Rampager or die, good luck taking this objective from the Abominate."
@@Tinytraveler interesting, well thanks for the idea, I'm slowly putting my army together and looking into how to build my army and it sounds like battle shock is what this army needs to be strong. So it sounds like it's all little ones and a desecrator raining fire or big boys with battle shock. I am curious as to why you would pick a huntsman rather than a stalker? Is the melta that much better than a launcher? Is it also worth the character key word?
@@TH-camInks If I do take any enhancements, its the one that makes Objectives Sticky, so I can capture and walk away, and the other one that forces the army wide rule to be active on Turn 1 instead of Turn 3
Would you expect imperial knights to smash the chaos version in a twisted mirror match? The army rules looks like a more reliable DMG buff to me... Who knows nothing 😁
Question: I just got myself an Abominant and 2 boxes of Wardogs to start out with. Also planning on getting a Tyrant in a month or two. Since Wardogs are now Units of just one model, would it be better to have something like 2 Carnivores and 2 Brigands or diversify and make them 3 or even four different models?
I played a cracking first 3 games this weekend with an Abominant, a Brigand, and a Huntsman (playing at 750pts). Nicely rounded in capability. I'll be adding a second Brigand, and a Stalker or Karnivore, then either a Despoiler or Destructor.
15 points more and you get the bridgand which is better in everyway. more firepower and access to havocs, hitting on 2's naturally and +1ap to closest target. Huntsman is locked to stubber with no way to improve BS. Worst dog in my book. Executioner at least has range high damage and BS buff on below half strength targets.
I do it because I have a fully magnetized knight that was a big labor of love for me and nothing else beyond some transports. I'd maybe buy a Land Raider, but they're selling fast everywhere right now, and I'm happy enough with the knight that I'd rather buy other stuff.
The top Chaos knights ever of the popular world are in this order: Tom Ellis, Kid Rock then Michael C Hall. They are the best Chaos knights that have ever visited our world, but please prove me wrong. Please challenge them to find the other 663 to hand to the world
haha i know this was not tested stuff " aura of dread is pretty strong" this was recorded before insane bravery got 1 per gamed for making battleschock to easy to just pass so i know now the entire video was, "we read the rule, and here is our guesses"
All I got from this video was how problematic knights can be on the field. I’ve already started building my knight army and I am so going to have fun ripping into fights.
Poorly this format, is tellin people what the army can do and not about how to play this army. I know this feedback seems harch and you put in bunch of effort. But watching this videos felt like a waste of time. =(
"Very strong faction and detachment ability" One of the weakest in the game. "Auto take enhancement" All of them are trash and cost to much for what they do.
Im gonna throw this out there I pay 13 bucks a month to not het ads. In 7 minutes I've had 2 or 3 ads from these guys. If this is the format going forward I'm happy to unsubscribe and move on. Yes simps, i understand they need to make money. Im still not watching upwards of 9 ads in 21 minutes.
War Dog Stalkers have the Character keyword and can take enhancements, designed that way to allow for the Oops All War Dog lists from 9th.
This comment should be pinned
War Dog: Stalkers have the character keyword as well.
Came here to say this
I haven't started collecting anything myself yet, but these are 100% my first pick.
Saves on space and time spent building/painting.
I know this isnt a dreadblade video but im very looking forward to including my new knight abominant in my death guard army. Planning on giving my lord of contagion the droning aura (mortals on battleshock tests) and letting my knight terrorize the board while the rest of the army does the work. Great video!
You two are a gift to the hobby. Your videos have made picking an army difficult multiple times. Thanks for taking the time to break this down!
The second half of sticky objectives is awesome. Battle shocked troops have zero OC. Late game the buffs of -1 to hit and +1 to wound are fantastic
Did you notice the harbingers of dread -1 to leadership is by model. So stacks -1 per knight model if you can get multiple knights within range of same enemy unit. Getting a -2 or a -3 to their leadership test could actually make the tule interesting with a bunch of little nights if you can get close enough.
I had to double-check this since I've never seen this mentioned before, but this seems legit. This kind of changes my perspective on Harbingers of Dread a little.
Looking this up I noticed that Ld can never be worsened beyond 9+ but that's specifically a limit for the Characteristic being modified, not for dice rolls being modified, and per core rules, only to hit/wound are capped at +/-1 so you could have a minus 3-5 modifier quite consistently if you're sitting in the midboard with a lot of wardogs. Cool find,
So just charging with 2 dogs could be stupid viable against tanky units such as termies?
This is way after you posted this, but I think that this doesn't work because units can't be affected by multiple instances of the same aura ability at the same time.
@@Freddie_PowPowbut they can be affected by the multiple auras at once just not the same one?
The Aura of Terror enhancement is actually quite nice, since an enemy unit looking to take your objective needs to take a Battleshock test if it is below starting strength at -1. If they fail their Battleshock their OC will be 0 and you'll hold on to your sticky objective.
My Chaos Knights suffered an inglorious defeat last night against T'au. Mostly because I apparently forgot half of my rules!! Didn't know about knights of shade of that the Abomonant was a psyker! xD
The "battle shock test with any wound at all" rule really gives some value to indirect fire havoc launchers if you go first, even if they just scratch the enemy.
Will you be doing an imperial knights video?
Oh yeah. Love seeing my faction represented.
Thanks, this army looks interesting. Maybe it will be my first one.
Absolute legends thank you so much, asked yesterday and low and behold
You doing this again after the points increase? you still think big knights are useable or is it just the rampager now?
I'm looking forward to a twin rapid-fire battle cannon big boi!
Thank you for another great faction analysis!
Ready to see your take on the Guard
Thanks for the great video! To clarify, can the Knights can force a unit below half strength to take two battleshock tests in the battleshock step of the command phase? The rule seems to require a separate battleshock test for all units that aren't at full strength, regardless of whether those units might have to test for battleshock again on account of being below half strength. But the Designer's Commentary could be read to suggest that anything below full strength must simply test for battleshock once during that step.
For what it's worth, I think the answer is that only one test is made for half-strength units within 12" of a knight during the battleshock step, but it'd be great to get confirmation one way or another.
Playing Knights will turn into a drinking game. Every time a unit has to take a Battleshock Test take a drink.
The Knight Abominate is an auto include even if it was bad Glad to hear its great
Using Abominates to force Battleshock tests outside the Command Phase is clutch. I'm currently running 3 Abominates 2 Rampagers. Its hilarious lol
Interesting, how do you play them? Rush important units with rampagers and walk around taking objectives and stomping on units with the abominates?
@@chriscutler7588 You can't anymore after the pts nerf, now its 3 Abominates, 1 Rampager, 1 Huntsman, with 100 pts for whatever enhancements you want. Most over looked this comment, but I've won far more games off forcing Battleshock tests than my club would like to admit. lol And yes, that's exactly how you play this list. "Deal with this Rampager or die, good luck taking this objective from the Abominate."
@@Tinytraveler interesting, well thanks for the idea, I'm slowly putting my army together and looking into how to build my army and it sounds like battle shock is what this army needs to be strong. So it sounds like it's all little ones and a desecrator raining fire or big boys with battle shock.
I am curious as to why you would pick a huntsman rather than a stalker? Is the melta that much better than a launcher? Is it also worth the character key word?
@@Tinytraveler Still running this, trying to put a list together. what enhancements are you taking?
@@TH-camInks If I do take any enhancements, its the one that makes Objectives Sticky, so I can capture and walk away, and the other one that forces the army wide rule to be active on Turn 1 instead of Turn 3
Would you expect imperial knights to smash the chaos version in a twisted mirror match? The army rules looks like a more reliable DMG buff to me... Who knows nothing 😁
the imps r much better atm with all their rr's
Question: I just got myself an Abominant and 2 boxes of Wardogs to start out with. Also planning on getting a Tyrant in a month or two.
Since Wardogs are now Units of just one model, would it be better to have something like 2 Carnivores and 2 Brigands or diversify and make them 3 or even four different models?
I played a cracking first 3 games this weekend with an Abominant, a Brigand, and a Huntsman (playing at 750pts). Nicely rounded in capability. I'll be adding a second Brigand, and a Stalker or Karnivore, then either a Despoiler or Destructor.
Forgot the Huntsman and Executioner. Executioner is probably the weakest option, but the Huntsman is excellent for taking out vehicles and monsters.
15 points more and you get the bridgand which is better in everyway. more firepower and access to havocs, hitting on 2's naturally and +1ap to closest target. Huntsman is locked to stubber with no way to improve BS. Worst dog in my book. Executioner at least has range high damage and BS buff on below half strength targets.
@@ivant.1452 Huntsman isnt locked to stubber, can take the meltagun.
And what is about the Knight Despoiler?! That´s one bread and butter big Knight....
What are ypur thoughts on splashing chaos knight units into csm lists? Which one would you recomend in particular?
I do it because I have a fully magnetized knight that was a big labor of love for me and nothing else beyond some transports. I'd maybe buy a Land Raider, but they're selling fast everywhere right now, and I'm happy enough with the knight that I'd rather buy other stuff.
Would it be worth taking nurglings to sit on objectives made sticky by a moving knight?
Don't have any oc so no
These are so cool, wish they could have chaos marks.
What’s the point of the Rampager having two melee weapons if it can only use one
Versatility.
so if you have a dreadblade and dump a big knight in a csm lineup... can you run with knight enhancements and strats?
Nope. You don't get any enhancements or strats from the knights army if you soup in a knight to a different army.
The top Chaos knights ever of the popular world are in this order: Tom Ellis, Kid Rock then Michael C Hall. They are the best Chaos knights that have ever visited our world, but please prove me wrong. Please challenge them to find the other 663 to hand to the world
I will play 14 WarDogs, 3 of each, exept Karnivore only 2. What do you think about?
Are Stalkers characters?
yup they have char keyword
@@lassemelson5668 nice, thank you. I didn’t know if that had changed.
Yes, they are the only wardog character options. Careful with assassinate secondary if you stack em
Also cool if you position correctly the opponent has to base you when charging potentially forcing their units off the objective, so OC 8 is strong.
"Big knights good"
6 months later.
War dog spam.
Unfortunately, aura abilities of the same name don't stack. It is only -1 leadership
haha i know this was not tested stuff " aura of dread is pretty strong" this was recorded before insane bravery got 1 per gamed for making battleschock to easy to just pass so i know now the entire video was, "we read the rule, and here is our guesses"
What is o.c?
Really wish they were as strong as imperial knights and got the deep strike enhancements
stalkers are also characters.
need to amend your video.
I’m thinking rampager knight in my world eaters army with Angron and a lord of skulls lol 😂😂😂
All I got from this video was how problematic knights can be on the field. I’ve already started building my knight army and I am so going to have fun ripping into fights.
Waiting for the WORLD EATERS 🌎 😈
Good info, but too many adverts.
Easy : spam wardogs, there you go.
this aged like Milk . good work GW
I can't take you guys seriously with those team shirts. Its like smelling your own farts.
Ok 👍🏻
stalkers are characters
"abominant auto include"
.. about that..
Poorly this format, is tellin people what the army can do and not about how to play this army. I know this feedback seems harch and you put in bunch of effort. But watching this videos felt like a waste of time. =(
"Very strong faction and detachment ability"
One of the weakest in the game.
"Auto take enhancement"
All of them are trash and cost to much for what they do.
Im gonna throw this out there
I pay 13 bucks a month to not het ads. In 7 minutes I've had 2 or 3 ads from these guys. If this is the format going forward I'm happy to unsubscribe and move on.
Yes simps, i understand they need to make money. Im still not watching upwards of 9 ads in 21 minutes.