Special horse! Baaeed beats Palace Pier in the QEII at Ascot!

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  • Baaeed remained unbeaten with a brilliant performance, defeating the champion Palace Pier in a vintage QEII.
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  • @edenjs1503
    @edenjs1503 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Versatility, high cruising speed, stamina, turn of foot, swagger & aura. This horse has and is something special. Heard about him after his maiden win and watched him through the season. I shouted him home yesterday like I'd bet my house on him....I didn't bet, just wanted him to prove he was as exciting as we all hoped....and he is!

  • @harddriven1344
    @harddriven1344 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Two brilliant milers, both game as hell!.

    • @albeidstud-6070
      @albeidstud-6070 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/4YJXkqd_tpw/w-d-xo.html - Beautiful Arabian Horse

    • @gored6248
      @gored6248 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not really, palace has a slight negative trait of hanging to his right which he also did again in this race, he also idles often.

    • @martinlewisloser
      @martinlewisloser 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@gored6248 The horse gave 100% in the race, that's all a horse can ever give. Four group 1 races is not bad for a horse with those "traits".

    • @gored6248
      @gored6248 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@martinlewisloser did I at any point say he wasn’t great?

    • @martinlewisloser
      @martinlewisloser 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@gored6248 What's the "Not really" sh*t?. How many horses run as straight as a gun barrel in a close finish?.

  • @aidanjoyce3248
    @aidanjoyce3248 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What a brilliant line up. Loved pp and baaeed

  • @bradleykitts4387
    @bradleykitts4387 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I'm am soo happy for Jim Crowley he deserves it what a jockey what an ownership the best horse in training can't wait to see whats next

    • @albeidstud-6070
      @albeidstud-6070 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/4YJXkqd_tpw/w-d-xo.html - Beautiful Arabian Horse

    • @craigsmith3157
      @craigsmith3157 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Crowley is an awful jockey, works for an amazing operation so rides great horses. I would expect any half decent jockey to match his wins with the same opportunities he gets

    • @jamiegordon5242
      @jamiegordon5242 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bent as they come

  • @madtingsadting
    @madtingsadting 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Come on wayne wheres the 50/1 slips antepost in 1999

  • @accountformelyknownasarsen3072
    @accountformelyknownasarsen3072 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Really looking forward to seeing this horse next year, hopefully they won`t waste too much time in stepping him up to 10f. He`s top top class over a mile but I reckon he could be an absolute superstar over 10f.

  • @TL24619
    @TL24619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    WOW what an amazing horse

  • @autowaysnz5385
    @autowaysnz5385 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Think this might be best horse in world racing at moment best I have seen since winx who raced every surface from 1000m to 2040m she was a freak

  • @albasheer2020
    @albasheer2020 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a special horse, cannot wait for next season. Ought to start racing in 1m2f next season. Expecting big things for him. Congrats to the connection

  • @maxlindley7597
    @maxlindley7597 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The two best horses in training fighting out the finish

    • @JPwhoknows
      @JPwhoknows 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shame pier is now retired.

    • @maxlindley7597
      @maxlindley7597 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JPwhoknows I wrote that 5 months ago :/

    • @JPwhoknows
      @JPwhoknows 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@maxlindley7597 I know I’m just saying it’s a shame as it was one of my fav flat horses.

  • @cludoe
    @cludoe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Looks a good horse, nice to see Lady Bowthorpe get placed on her last run.

  • @asteroidstrike8880
    @asteroidstrike8880 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a feeling Simon Holt backed Baaeed. He was almost singing Baaeed's name as he crossed the finishing line.

  • @drofheim
    @drofheim 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Shame SMB was retired, would have been some match up.
    Baaeed is a seriously good racehorse, has exceptional speed figures that only Frankel achieved. (Not saying he is an equivalent, he isn't)

    • @albeidstud-6070
      @albeidstud-6070 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/4YJXkqd_tpw/w-d-xo.html - Beautiful Arabian Horse

    • @frankspencer6935
      @frankspencer6935 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Frankel was putting in TS figures of 120's and 130's. Baaeed hasn't even done 100 TS yet. This race was slower than the next race of Sealiway. Palace Pier needed a stronger pace but he might of been off the boil anyway, that is racing.

    • @drofheim
      @drofheim 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@frankspencer6935 How do you find out if a horse is G1 ability in terms of speed if the race is slow?
      Baaeed has ran 3 particular slow ran races yet he is the quickest miler, this was shown even before the QEII going in.
      Do you think we rely on TopSpeed ratings to find this out?

    • @nedlambton6602
      @nedlambton6602 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@drofheim answe to first question. Ask Betty! 😂

    • @ajvindiesel8517
      @ajvindiesel8517 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Off the boil my a**e! he woulda been better on good ground but so would Need. No, Frankie lost him any chance by panicking from 4 furlongs out rather than settling his horse. Baeeed still the better horse though.... because he'll be 3-5 lengths better next year, so that puts him way ahead of Palace Pier, P.s. I was a fan of Palace Pier...lovely looking horse but Baeed is just better.

  • @JACKDAWFISH
    @JACKDAWFISH 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hi, my name is Ryan Moore. I ride horses and I'll share my strategy with you. Immediately take your horse to the back and get blocked in behind as many horses as possible to inhibit your horse's ability to move forward. Allow all other runners get ahead of you with a clear path if possible. Let them make the first move and with your horse a good 10 lengths out, then make your move weaving in and out around the other horses to make your horse run as far as possible. My ride of Mother Earth was a quintessential demonstration of this tactic. If you only watch Mother Earth, you'll see how much futher she had to run than the lead horses yet still closed quickly covering the last furlong as fast as Baaeed yet can only claim 5th place but would have fininshed 3rd or 4th otherwise. After the race, I just mumble something unintelligible to AOB and he'll say he's delighted.

    • @billmarston916
      @billmarston916 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      it was 40/1

    • @robertdelacy3434
      @robertdelacy3434 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@billmarston916 dosent matter the price it shud been placed

    • @dannykennedy4442
      @dannykennedy4442 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Didn’t notice till I went back and watched! Should’ve finished closer! O’Brien horses aren’t running well! If Mother Earth turned up in breeders cup would be worth a bet!

    • @urbanpulsewalks
      @urbanpulsewalks 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @David Turco - How much did you lose.

    • @gerrymcguire7382
      @gerrymcguire7382 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed poor ride from Moore.Horse finished full of running yet didn’t get into it he race.
      Mother Earth has been running like a Trojan all year.

  • @SpursFanCanada
    @SpursFanCanada 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can't wait for next year.

    • @albeidstud-6070
      @albeidstud-6070 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/4YJXkqd_tpw/w-d-xo.html - Beautiful Arabian Horse

  • @marttyler2569
    @marttyler2569 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That is a dam good horse

  • @ruwanpriyadarshana9961
    @ruwanpriyadarshana9961 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wooooow ..... what a champion horse

  • @MrBlackhibee
    @MrBlackhibee 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not really a fan of the Maktoums but this horse, in my opinion, is one of the best I've ever seen. Really classy and I agree with earlier comments about stepping him up to 10f, reckon that's when we will see even more ,although for me a mile and a half would be stretching it a bit

  • @elgransenor1472
    @elgransenor1472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Frankie is too preoccupied with trying to be “clever” and emulating Lester with his looks behind whereas the other jockeys are just focussing on getting their horses running and getting momentum.

    • @martinlewisloser
      @martinlewisloser 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It looks good when the jockey wins the race, but when beaten he looks a little dumb!.

    • @gerrymcguire7382
      @gerrymcguire7382 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gosden said the same thing after the race.Spent too much time looking round for Baaeed.
      He wasn’t a happy man.

    • @elgransenor1472
      @elgransenor1472 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gerrymcguire7382
      That’s the impression I got.
      There may be a split in that relationship over the Winter
      He’s been unhappy with several important rides since the 2019 Arc.

    • @ajvindiesel8517
      @ajvindiesel8517 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well said son. I would never book Frankie if I had free choice of jockeys. He's all ME ME ME always has been...haha Has-Been Freudian slip

  • @elgransenor1472
    @elgransenor1472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great race

    • @noncehuntingassociation8744
      @noncehuntingassociation8744 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just another 1600m race won by the closers. Sub par if that racing pattern occurs in Australia was it not?
      Can you explain the difference here?

    • @elgransenor1472
      @elgransenor1472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@noncehuntingassociation8744
      Well the first and second were actually sitting 2nd and equal 3rd after 400m
      They then settled back to 3rd and equal 4th.
      That’s hardly swooping late from the back of the pack is it?
      If this race was won by late swoopers Lady Bowthorpe and Mother Earth would have run first and second.
      The first two sat in touch with the main threat The Revenant all the way.
      Benbatl was 30-1 so he wasn’t a factor to worry about.

    • @noncehuntingassociation8744
      @noncehuntingassociation8744 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@elgransenor1472 LoL wtf? What race are you talking about. Settled third and fourth lol?

    • @noncehuntingassociation8744
      @noncehuntingassociation8744 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@elgransenor1472 There was a horse behind PP and at least the grey was in front of Baeed as well in running.
      In the context of the size of the field it is exactly the position the Caulfield Guinea winner came from. Outside midfield.

    • @elgransenor1472
      @elgransenor1472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@noncehuntingassociation8744
      At various stages of the race they were 2nd to 5th in a ten horse field.
      I think you should have saved this attempt at a dig for a different race.
      They were both making the challenge for the lead at the 400
      At the 450 in the race I commented on the winner was still last.

  • @ns6789
    @ns6789 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just a reminder Baaeed only made his debut in June

  • @thomasmclarnon5844
    @thomasmclarnon5844 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant commentary

  • @craigjaundrell3304
    @craigjaundrell3304 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First decent miler since Kingman

  • @stuckinthepattayabubble9319
    @stuckinthepattayabubble9319 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Class prevails 🐎

  • @nathanbooth5344
    @nathanbooth5344 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wish he would go to the Breeders Cup in current form...a new Frankel?...backed him every run :)

  • @burningsagemanmusic7491
    @burningsagemanmusic7491 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HUGE Call I know but I think Baaeed would beat Frankel over a mile at Ascot!

    • @burningsagemanmusic7491
      @burningsagemanmusic7491 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Especially as a 3 year old... Watch the Love roll in fron my above comment!

    • @ajvindiesel8517
      @ajvindiesel8517 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Massive fans of both horses....I repeat massive.....but Frankel over 1m or 7f is just too fast, think Baeed would get within a few lengths if run over 1m 2f but that's without seeing him at 4yo yet

  • @paradisehotel5005
    @paradisehotel5005 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:43 Simon Holt: "BUT BAAEED WINS!!!". I think Simon might have had a few quid on him.

  • @ajvindiesel8517
    @ajvindiesel8517 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Frankie Dettori, an example of how not to win a horse race yet again.....he looks great with his extravagant style when he's on a horse far superior to the rest....bit like Damon Hill when he won the F1. Here in the QE instead of helping a horse to settle he just transfers all his nervous energy to his horse, compare that to the best jockeys who settle their horses with 'soft hands' etc... Baeeed looks good, just hope he has some competition next year, he'll be too fast for Adayar...it will need a decent 3yr old to come out the pack...but are there any decent 2yr old this year to become good enough at 3 to give Baeeed a race? I don't think so.

    • @gavinanderson9655
      @gavinanderson9655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      was on Palace Pier so slight pocket talk from me possibly but one of the worst rides ive ever seen. Not saying Baeed wasnt the best horse on the day but Frankie did absolutely everything wrong just about

    • @invisiblemaninvisibleman2097
      @invisiblemaninvisibleman2097 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting evaluation
      You’re probably right

  • @condionysopoulos6169
    @condionysopoulos6169 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lets see what other excuses people will come up with now what a champ pity the sheik is not around to see the next champion.

  • @nojmulhoque7789
    @nojmulhoque7789 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another frankel being born

  • @kukkukuruku1441
    @kukkukuruku1441 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Class miler.....not easy beat Palace Pier at all

  • @arcacoma3524
    @arcacoma3524 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Anybody who seen Baeed,s maiden win would have known that this is a once in a lifetime horse for the trainer....Haggas,es equivalent to having a Frankle

    • @Zarkava8
      @Zarkava8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Baaeed wouldn't get near Frankel, he's not in the same league.

    • @arcacoma3524
      @arcacoma3524 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Zarkava8 Never said he was in the same league..I wouldn't be so stupid as to compare those horses,but some folks do unbelievably.

    • @ajvindiesel8517
      @ajvindiesel8517 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Zarkava8 noone would but give Baeed and a few others their dues they are bloody good horses ...Frankel was a freak and the greatest of all time bar none....we can't keep comparing horses to him it's unfair....

  • @raymondliwanag6234
    @raymondliwanag6234 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Flightline is the best horse in the world right now🙃

  • @darkoscur6628
    @darkoscur6628 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great

  • @rsmickeymooproductions4877
    @rsmickeymooproductions4877 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Greatest horse race of all time. In my opinion

  • @ABSDEFRD
    @ABSDEFRD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love Baaedd did bet him in every single race easy meat palace pier

    • @JACKDAWFISH
      @JACKDAWFISH 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Helps when PP has to spot Baaedd 3 lbs.

  • @anthonyyoung5447
    @anthonyyoung5447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another poor ride by Moore, I do not know how long O Brien stable will put up with these sub standard rides . No horse made up as much ground as mother earth but you cannot give group 1 horses 5-6 lengths and expect make up that amount of ground in the final furlong.

    • @harddriven1344
      @harddriven1344 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Mother Earth was nowhere near good enough.

    • @albeidstud-6070
      @albeidstud-6070 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/4YJXkqd_tpw/w-d-xo.html - Beautiful Arabian Horse

    • @gored6248
      @gored6248 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This race was a guaranteed 1-2 with the top 2 in the market. Both levels above

    • @johnsonkevin1
      @johnsonkevin1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It was a ride to give the horse the best chance of finishing in the places. He knew she wasn't good enough to win.

    • @johnnyboy6608
      @johnnyboy6608 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnsonkevin1 they way she finished off the race, you’d have to think if she was given more of a chance she’d have been a lot closer

  • @davescott5989
    @davescott5989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The next frankel

    • @rivergold4835
      @rivergold4835 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Calm down!

    • @maxlindley7597
      @maxlindley7597 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The next Mohaather

    • @davescott5989
      @davescott5989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@maxlindley7597 already levels above him

    • @gored6248
      @gored6248 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There will never be another Frankel.

    • @davescott5989
      @davescott5989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gored6248 like any athlete there will always be one better at some stage

  • @rodneymckee8431
    @rodneymckee8431 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    No sign of virgin Wayne all that 6/1 for the so called best gambler doesn't look big now

    • @andrewrose4643
      @andrewrose4643 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Guy was deluded thinking palace pier was gonna beat Baaeed i said it would win when it carried on his wins in france

    • @rodneymckee8431
      @rodneymckee8431 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@andrewrose4643 will he stay in training

    • @albeidstud-6070
      @albeidstud-6070 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/4YJXkqd_tpw/w-d-xo.html - Beautiful Arabian Horse

    • @andrewrose4643
      @andrewrose4643 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rodneymckee8431 apparently baaeed will stay in training and palace is going to Stud

    • @andrewrose4643
      @andrewrose4643 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rodneymckee8431 Adayar staying in training as well but there going with a mile and half with him next season

  • @nojmulhoque7789
    @nojmulhoque7789 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another Frankel

    • @colintipton1740
      @colintipton1740 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      hahahahahahahahaha

    • @Zarkava8
      @Zarkava8 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What a joker. There will only be one Frankel.

    • @ashleyjatoonah7434
      @ashleyjatoonah7434 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      My car goes much faster

  • @harolddottin10
    @harolddottin10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    BAAED AKA HAMDAN IS THE BOSS. ST MARK BASILICA WAS RIGHT TO AVOID HIM!

    • @davescott5989
      @davescott5989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Clueless 😂😂😂

    • @suemaher5282
      @suemaher5282 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hes retired. Catch up

    • @davescott5989
      @davescott5989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@suemaher5282 retired and would have ran in the 1m2f race

    • @harolddottin10
      @harolddottin10 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@suemaher5282 Sue your sad comments always make me cry!

    • @harolddottin10
      @harolddottin10 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davescott5989 Clueless about what are you seeing well or is your eyes busted Dawg!

  • @gored6248
    @gored6248 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Horrible ride from dettori, not like him at all. How he let jim stalk him through is mind blowing for a jockey of his calibre, baaeed was also getting weight. Frankie got the fractions all wrong too, he went at least 3 furlongs out which is utter stupidity. In horse racing positioning wins races. I think the stall game is horrendous in racing lately. Last year the stalls was centre which made palace pier well drawn and baaeed badly drawn, this year they decide to put the stalls on the far side. Good race and both great horses, if they raced 10x you would probably have a verdict of 5-5!

    • @davescott5989
      @davescott5989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Baaeed travelled all over him would win 9 times out of 10 he’s just a freak horse

    • @gored6248
      @gored6248 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davescott5989 of course he travelled all over him he sat his tail and was getting weight. Let palace pier sit on his tail the whole way and he will run all over him. Tactics and positioning win races.

    • @johnsonkevin1
      @johnsonkevin1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gored6248 he was getting weight because is a 3 year old. Frankie didn't close early enough not too early. Are you new to racing?

    • @jasonkane4742
      @jasonkane4742 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Frankie is a joke hes naw the same as he was boys how many bad rides has he naw given horses recently even gosden has criticised him hi

    • @gored6248
      @gored6248 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnsonkevin1 haha what a novice you are, you don’t let your only danger sit on your tail, Crowley can kick as late as he wants. Especially with his allowance everything was in his favour. Perfect ride of Jim!

  • @crowtales8828
    @crowtales8828 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    National hunt racing today on Sunday complete joke
    Fields of 4 or 5 runners trainers probably keeping horses until Cheltenham ffs , Cheltenham is ruining the entire season because it’s four days of racing if Cheltenham was 3 days with 6 races a day Thursday to Saturday and end of April have National hunt champions day at Cheltenham you still make money Cheltenham don’t worry

  • @harpalchauhan428
    @harpalchauhan428 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Should go and put the seal as best miler in the world by taking breeders cup mile

    • @suemaher5282
      @suemaher5282 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He will be put away now. Hes done plenty since June.

    • @jakeg3296
      @jakeg3296 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol 😂 winning the breeders against the same opposition with a couple of American turf horses thrown in doesn’t prove the best horse in the world.
      To do that he would have to repeat the dose in Hong Kong against the likes of Golden Sixty and Gran Alegria .

    • @harpalchauhan428
      @harpalchauhan428 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jakeg3296 jake are you stupid golden sixty and ain't even in the top 10 of longines world ranking and that donkey gran Algeria is in 9th place 😂😂😂. This reason why most of the best horses from around the world don't really bother with Hong Kong and it crap races

    • @harpalchauhan428
      @harpalchauhan428 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jakeg3296 how come best horses from Hong kong never travel to royal ascot or breeders cup because they know that there gonna first get drug tested properly and second not good enough

    • @jakeg3296
      @jakeg3296 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@harpalchauhan428
      Plenty of prize money where they are man .

  • @spleeeen4it
    @spleeeen4it 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    holt should be on itv not that annoying hoiles

  • @BLOODYGUN826
    @BLOODYGUN826 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Incentivise and Anamoe from Australia would kill this lot

    • @gregkay3874
      @gregkay3874 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They wouldn’t

    • @Zarkava8
      @Zarkava8 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Incentivise only just beat O'Briens ex Sir Dragonet 😂 and Anamoe couldn't beat Joseph O'Briens State of Rest who's hardly world class. 😂 😂

  • @jasonkane4742
    @jasonkane4742 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Plz retire frankie

  • @nathanbell6899
    @nathanbell6899 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have a feeling palace pier is the better horse. Bad ride from frankie. I

    • @drofheim
      @drofheim 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Given that Baaeed ran every furlong quicker from 5f, sure.

    • @nathanbell6899
      @nathanbell6899 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@drofheim what a stupid comment. Yes he was quicker from 5f but his jockey wasn't sitting looking behind him the whole time. Time will tell I can have my own opinion

    • @drofheim
      @drofheim 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nathanbell6899 my comment wasn't stupid, yours was.

    • @Zarkava8
      @Zarkava8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nathanbell6899 We will never know as Palace Pier has retired.

    • @nathanbell6899
      @nathanbell6899 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@drofheim so you are telling me if frankie had of sent palace pier on sooner he wouldn't have won?