Never thought it was the "Dreamcast 2," but it was absolutely the spiritual successor. Between the series that started on DC and continued on Xbox and the emphasis on online gaming, they were definitely closer than the Dreamcast was with anything else at the time.
I can absolutely see the Xbox being considered a spiritual successor of sorts to the Dreamcast. Sega saw the writing on the wall and did the smart thing in their partnership with Microsoft. The Sega games on the Xbox are some of the best games on the system! Thanks for an excellent video as always, MVG!
I bought the Xbox because of Shenmue 2. I bought the Sega pack in edition with Sega GT 2002 & Jet Set Radio Future & Shenmue 2 off the shelf. It was Dreamcast 2 to me.
Same. In my mind the original Xbox was always like a succesor to the dreamcast and related to the SEGA family of consoles. The Xbox's design looks like it evolved from SEGA's consoles. If SEGA were still making consoles they would probably look like the modern day Xbox series. To me, its as if SEGA still lives as a console through the Xbox
I remember as a teenager when this all went down, we theorized the xbox was the dreamcast 2 and came up with most of these points. Nice to see again years later
@@ShiroCh_ID basically what nintendo does; one generation a brilliant design(genesis/wii) the next one people question if it will kill the company(wii u/ saturn)
Note: To all the Sega fans - i am fully aware i interchange 'See-gah' and 'Say-Gah' when i pronounce Sega :) Growing up in Australia all the commercials on TV would pronounce it See-gah and its stuck with me. for example - th-cam.com/video/LQjFyQbwLn4/w-d-xo.html
Wouldn't the Japanase pronounce it 'Segga' anyway? In the 80s, we in the UK, generally speaking, would also pronounce it 'See-gah'. You say tomatoes, I say tomatoes.
In Italy everything SEGA was marketed as "See-gah" because the other way of saying it would basically mean saw (the tool) and is actually a colloquial way to refer to masturbation :D
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I think that the Original Xbox "Duke" controller looks like a combination between a Microsoft Sidewinder Extreme Controller and a Dreamcast Controller.
It's interesting that on-screen it states "Powered by Windows CE", but on the front of the console it states "Compatible with Windows CE". Ever since I first got my Dreamcast years ago, I always wondered what "Compatible with Windows CE" meant. Thank you for explaining it.
Only in sales. It was better than the PS2 in every way. The PS2 only led the sales race because it had a head start and was a DVD player. The Xbox was a year late and needed a remote to play DVDs. How good the Xbox was is why the Xbox 360 got such a strong start out of the gate. Microsoft exclusives were top notch during that decade as well. Sony had good titles, but none as impactful and iconic as Halo during that period. That's not to mention the extra power, hard drive and Xbox live.
@@cokelife5831 brand recognition is another factor. It was Microsoft's first console vs Sony's second console. Not to mention that the Dreamcast came out a year prior to ps2 but a lot of people didn't get it and just waited for the ps2. The GameCube aswell came out the same year as the Xbox so yeah PS2 had the advantange thanks to Dreamcast not having a DVD drive.
It's 100% the "spiritual successor" to the Dreamcast. There's too many defined links between the Chihiro board and the actual want of SEGA to make that the case... In a way I'm glad that's what happened. It's nice to know as a fan of the Dreamcast that when I turn on my original XBOX, I'm getting what SEGA would've basically made. As the Dreamcast was to the Naomi, the XBOX is to Chihiro. The home console version of the latest SEGA Arcade lineup. Great video.
In some ways yes the Xbox was suppose to be the next Dreamcast, but with SEGA having branched out into making games for other consoles, and portables soon after no it was not because SEGA did not remain exclusive to the Xbox. One thing that always puzzled me was why Microsoft never bought SEGA, and made them exclusive which would have given them an excellent 2nd party dev instead of buying RARE, and doing jack shit with it. but in hindsight I'm glad SEGA stayed 3rd party.
Actually I think Microsoft did want to buy Sega, but Sega refused. Also Microsoft did use Rare when they bought them, but pretty much any title Rare cooked up was generally lambasted.
Thomas Ruth if that's true, then it would have been down to SEGA of Japan, and their stubbornness. Far as RARE goes under Microsoft, the only thing they have remotely done well was RARE Replay, and it still did not make me want to go out, and buy a Microsoft console to play it, like RARE did in their glory days of the N64. In fact RARE games where one of the big reasons I got into collecting for the N64. So in my book that still counts as Microsoft not really doing jack shit with RARE.
NaughtyGawd That had some part to play in it for sure, but Japanese consumers are very nationalistic overall, and prefer to support home grown companies such as Nintendo, and SONY over Microsoft when it comes to their console preferences. No outside console has done well in Japan, Atari failed, along with the Apple Pippin, and it even had the backing of Bandai. The main reason Apple has done so well in Japan far as their computers, and other hardware is because overall since the 80's they have had better support for typing, and displaying the Japanese language.
It's not xbox's fault that RARE can't develop a game to save their own damned lives after the year 2001. As a company, they suck cock, and you must now accept that, or keep lying to yourself.
I owned the Dreamcast at launch and when it was dying there was talk back then that Microsoft had a strong working relationship with Sega and that their upcoming Xbox console would carry the torch for Sega...at least early on. Nevertheless, I went from Dreamcast to Xbox for that very reason alone. Games like Gunvalkyrie were actually originally developed for Dreamcast late in it's life and when the system ended development moved to Xbox.
I've always thought of the Original Xbox as the Sega Dreamcast's spiritual successor, mostly due to the similarity in the controller. I've never got on with Playstation controllers so I held on to my Dreamcast right up until the Xbox was released, which I traded it in for.
3:01 now that brings back some memories. After my comadore 64 died , the monitor stayed around as my bedroom TV until high school. TBH it's one of the best crt tvs you can use for retro gaming. They were well built too and mine is in storage still working.
Thank you for making this video. I have been saying since 2002 that the Xbox was the newer brother to the Dreamcast. The Sega games that went to Xbox, the 4 controller ports, the 2 ports on the controller used for memory and communication (Dreamcast had the mic stick and Xbox plug in for headphones). They both had built in internet connections. Back to the controllers, similar layouts, letters for buttons and almost the same colors for those buttons. I believe some of the very same developers of Dreamcast went over to Xbox. I love how you even went into the true technology that is used by both systems. I have been a long time Seag fan, well collections include Saturn and Dreamcast, so I approve of this video, since I was just going to make one....well now I can't. I would feel like I was ripping you off.
@@xXTopGXx Yeah I bet Nintendo was all like, hey our current home system is failing, mostly because of its dumb gimmick, what should we do? Oh yeah I know, we should copy the dumb gimmick of a failed system from 2 decades ago. Right.
not to forget, only because of WinCE it was possible to hack the dreamcast security system and so we could build the preloader CD-R to play copied games :-) Thanks Bill
You triggered me to turn on my Outrun 2 Twin Arcade now !!! Chihiro always makes me happy. For me personally the OG Xbox is kinda the Dreamcast 2. And from a collectors perspective i have stocked up on games the last two years. So many great jewels on that console.
When you said the Japanese release date of the Dreamcast was in November of 1998 I had to double check that, because I'll never forget 9/9/99 as the day the system came out in North America (same day as Final Fantasy 8 IIRC). Anyway, I had no idea that the Dreamcast was out in Japan for 10 months before it came here. That's insane.
For some reason, I smiled when you said that they asked that Dreamcast games be compatible with the Xbox. Truly, this feels like Twilight Princess, the Hero of Time and the Hero of Twilight.
Had Sega gone first party with Microsoft they would have never been pressured into making cash grab sonic games to keep afloat .They would have taken new risk reviving old franchises with the budget of a software giant.
This is an interesting point I've been pondering recently. I'm predominantly a PC/PS/Nintendo gamer and so for that reason I'm glad they didn't buy Sega, but one would have to assume that Microsoft had discussions about it being a possibility early on. Consoles are driven by exclusive software, and if Microsoft could have said, 'We have all of Sega's games, we have Halo' etc, it would have been a much stronger value proposition from them. To this day, XBOX's biggest problem is worthwhile exclusive content beyond Halo and Gears.
Amazing video! I always considered the XBOX to be the continuation of the SEGA home consoles... Now it's nice to be somewhat confident that I was correct. I love SEGA and own every home console they produced for NA. I also own all of Microsofts XBOX consoles (I actually have a "Day One" edition X1 and I also have the "Scorpio Edition" X1X). Great video...
I was wondering why so many Sega sequels were on the Xbox solely. I didn't know Microsoft partnered with sega in the dreamcast. Thanks for the info, this was informative for me as a librarian of gaming.
The Sega Dreamcast stands as one of my most favorite systems of all time. This was one of the most interesting videos I have seen about the Xbox and offered so many different angles, hardware and background knowledge of Microsoft and SEGA.
mmm Sega games for XBOX original is fantastic: Jet Set Radio Future,Panzer Dragon Orta,Sega GT 2002 (my opinion is much better of Gran Turismo 4).XBOX original best hardware for console generation,Ninja Gaiden Black is best action game for engine and gameplay is level up for generations games,XBOX has brought the features then implemented in the generations after (XBOX 360 and PS3) as the online service and the use of high resolution in games.A nice feature was the conversion of the audio formats converted by cd by saving them on hard disk, the interesting thing was that many games could use the music saved by integrating them in games !, you could listen to your music on the radio or CD in GTA San Andreas for example.
@@aawwmm I have played a lot of Sega Gt on XBOX for a long time, two are the main problems discussed on Gran Turismo and other titles, the AI and the physical damage to the cars, the latter also a copyright problem of car manufacturers that do not want damage image, Sega has solved with an energy bar system that indicates the damage of the car, Sega has also introduced systems of use of the wheels, brakes and all this affects the economy introduced in the game, this title offers you a very simulation experience rewarding, you have to be good at finishing first while remaining cautious about maintenance costs and it is something that not even the most modern games take into consideration.
Wow this was so cool, seeing how similar the beta designs looked too! I always wondered why it was so similar how i never seen that windows ce logo and that sega was teamed with microsoft! I always wished they made a DC2 and today i found out weve had it the whole time.
I bought a Dreamcast on day 1. At the time. That system had the biggest "WOW" effect on me. Dreamcast introduced a tennis game that was actually amazing to play. And I hate tennis. The 2k sports started on the Dreamcast. Shenmue was outstanding at the time. Tomb Raider the Last revelation and Resident Evil Code Veronica were must have for the system. Pound for pound. The Dreamcast was the best console ever made
Mizt3r E don’t think that was the point he was trying to make, Microsoft knows exactly how to do it right because they have succeeded in their relatively short gaming lifespan
great video! It's a real shame the Dreamcast's life was so short.... The original Xbox was very much a true love letter to the DC not sure why any hardcore fans of either Sega or XBox would take issues with the xbox being the unofficial DC 2.0 the two companies needed each other during this time
I meant to mention this the other day but just remembered, although Sega dropped the home console market it didnt stop them building machines, they had Naomi which was kind of the Dreamcast 2 - I happened to be in the US when Sega released the news they were getting out of consoles so I was able to snap up a bunch of peripherals at discount prices - I also remember seeing the last of the remaining Sega Australia Dreamcast stock sitting on a pallet in port Melbourne waiting to be gutted for arcade machines - I wanted to cry lol
It's funny, before I purchased (and ultimately enjoyed) my original Xbox in 2003, I always teased it as the "Dreamcast 2" haha. I switched to Xbox with the 360, and love my Xbox One. I'm glad they've added original Xbox titles to backward compatibility, although seeing all your videos makes me want to get an original again and mod it. Great channel, new sub here.
Not just designers… there are conspiracies out there claiming M$ sort of pulled a Nokia with Sega. Apparently the guy making the decision to give up Dreamcast went to Microsoft mere months afterwards. And he was only a substitute for the Japanese senior that had gotten ill some time before. Not sure if it's true though.
Not conspiracy, You're talking about Peter Moore, who was CEO of SEGA of America before he left for MS. He was a big driving force behind SEGA exiting the hardware business, which happened shortly before he left to head up the Interactive Entertainment Business division at Microsoft, which is the division that first created the XBOX.
"Apparently the guy making the decision to give up Dreamcast went to Microsoft mere months afterwards." More bullshit. You need to research the history of WebTV and the original Xbox. And also the person who decided to axe the Dreamcast and the Japanese management of Sega right before that time.
As a sega fan, I do agree, well I certainly treated it as such. From Master System through to Dreamcast I only ever had Sega consoles growing up, and I flocked to the xbox for the sega library and familiar controller and 4 ports. there was no doubt to me it was the nearest thing to dreamcast 2 we were getting.
I always thought everyone knew the Xbox was the the spiritual successor to the Dreamcast. Once I saw Jet Set Radio Future, Shenmue 2, & knowing Project Gotham was he successor to Metropolis Street Racer, I already assumed it.
Wow, never knowen. You make such great videos, verry high quality, dont know any other chanel do such research and engenering stuff. I love it. I want much more 😁
Dreamcast was such an absolutely amazing system. I remember feeling like Sony was conquering simply by throwing a ton of money at exclusive titles, just TONS of them and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I’ve owned every Xbox system released... and never owned a Sony console. So I guess subconsciously I never forgave them haha.
Travis Truitt I suspect mine is still at my parents house. Maybe I should dust it off and hook it up. I’d love to give the Echo the Dolphin game another shot after running through my old favorites
0:27 after watching cowboy bebop i cant stop noticing steve blums (spike) voice EVERYWHERE.. insane.. he's in like half the games I grew up with, jesus.
Warning: Posturing and grandstanding based only on opinion being flagrantly enforced as though it were fact. Rational conversation is impossible. Leave while you can.
Yes, I think it's pretty clear that the X-Box is pretty much the successor to the Dreamcast. The evidence strongly suggests that Sega wanted Microsoft to continue their legacy.
More like they wanted to go into business together and then something happened that ruined it; like Nintendo/SOny and all the other failed partnerships.
From the looks of it, it really does look like Sega intended for the Xbox to be the successor to the Dreamcast, especially after hearing about the almost identical hardware their Chihiro arcade system had, but I think two things made them change their mind about working more closely with Microsoft: -The Xbox failed to keep pace with the PS2 in sales (24 million sounds like a lot, but the PS2 sold over FIVE TIMES that) -Seeing the value of developing games for other consoles vs. exclusivity I was actually shocked to find out the original Xbox only sold 24 million. I could have sworn it was a higher number.
Even the GameCube was more powerful then the PS2, it only won that generation mainly because of the built in DVD drive for movies that did not need a special remote to access like the Xbox, and when the PS2 was released in Japan it was the cheapest DVD player in the country.
Commodorefan64 and remember,playstation was a well known brand so people bought because they thought it was good because of ps1.but good start for og xbox
Randomthingz2show Randomthingz2show True, back then the SONY name still held some weight for "quality" even outside of gaming products, and even more so in Japan, so I'm sure that had a factor in the success of the PS2 as well, but how times have changed because now outside of home console gaming(even that's starting to faultier somewhat for them), few people think of SONY as their go to brand for electronics, it's now Samsung who holds that spot for a lot of people, or who ever is the cheapest on sale at Walmart or Amazon that day they need something.
Commodorefan64 the PS2 was the best selling console of all time. The DVD component does not account for that being the sole reason it was so successful. The games library was massive and it had a lot of great exclusives and third party support. Give credit where it is due.
Hardware alone doesn't mean much. The PS3, if programmed for properly, is a beast. However, it was a nightmare for devs compared to the 360. If you can't take advantage of the hardware, power means nothing.
wow this was a really good video essay. the evidence does suggest the xbox is the successor to the DC even if it isn't official. the part about the chihiro hardware being almost identical to the xbox was what really convinced me.
i fondly remember having it running my zunepass, XBMC for my bootleg vids, emulators for NES, SNES, etc. it was my all in one entertainment system. nothing is like that today.
Shit, I'm really hoping that Playground games would pick up PGR and do a reboot. Microsoft needs that Stylish racing game. So Forza can go back to being Forza 1 and 4. Horizon can be a Simcade.
I still think the dc could have either been revised or repositioned to take a large proportion of the Nintendo wii market and the home-brewed market ouya pi etc
I think SEGA was developing the system and financially went belly up after the failure of the dreamcast. So they probably sold their R&D for the new system to Microsoft.
The original Xbox was literally made by a group of Microsoft's R'n'D guys cannibalizing three laptops into a prototype. They basically threw shit at the wall and looked at what stuck, lol.
@@KimPossibleShockwave Yep, the name even came from what the team building the device started casually calling it: "DirectX box", as it was a console being built around Microsoft's DirectX APIs. Marketing tried to come up with other unique names for it, but "Xbox" is the one that stuck.
@@KimPossibleShockwave That sounds like a pretty bonkers way of building a prototype... But... It makes perfect sense that Microsoft would try and build a gaming console out of a PC... It's what they knew... And it would minimise how much work they would have had to do into building an operating system for the thing. Just take windows, strip out everything you can find that seems superfluous for a game console, put a new UI on it... Did you know in older versions of windows you can change the shell by changing a line in windows.ini? You can do stupid stuff like making, say, Notepad the shell, which means that's literally the only program you can run, and if you close it, windows shuts down. Yeah, that was amusing at the time... Also theoretically useful, but I don't know if anyone ever really bothered with it in any serious context... Still, when it comes to prototypes, seeing the Amiga must have been something else. A prototype running at a trade show off 3 giant wire-wrapped circuit boards, each the size of a small table in it's own right. Prototypes for the integrated circuits built out of discrete logic gates and components.... Which would fail so often they had to have someone on hand permanently just to fix the thing every couple of minutes. But, when it worked, it worked flawlessly... Just shows you what prototyping used to look like. XD
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Jerome VV and not to mention being able to load up vintage arcade games like coinops 8! Original Xbox rules!
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I always considered the Xbox the natural successor to the Dreamcast. The controller laid the foundation for the standard format today.
Same
Never thought it was the "Dreamcast 2," but it was absolutely the spiritual successor. Between the series that started on DC and continued on Xbox and the emphasis on online gaming, they were definitely closer than the Dreamcast was with anything else at the time.
Man, if the Xbox had been compatible with Dreamcast games, that would be freakin awesome!
Microsoft missed out on alot of money even more so for Japan.
There is the disc is called MAME X!!
Now that would have made Xbox the second Dreamcast. It was not.
You can play Retail Sega CD games on softmodded X-boxes....
I believe there is an emulator you can put on your xbox if its modded. that will allow you to run dreamcast cds
from the Cd drive
The Dreamcast hardware still looks super modern. Coming at it fresh you'd swear it was the later console.
And the Xbox looks atrocious in comparison, what an ugly neon green disaster....
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205 True enough, but it's how games look and play that counts for far more than how a console looks.
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205 hey now, don't hate. It looks beautiful in the most hideous ways
@@acolddarkgentlebruh8205 no
I can absolutely see the Xbox being considered a spiritual successor of sorts to the Dreamcast. Sega saw the writing on the wall and did the smart thing in their partnership with Microsoft. The Sega games on the Xbox are some of the best games on the system!
Thanks for an excellent video as always, MVG!
It totally is. Microsoft actually worked on the Dreamcast with Sega. And the Xbox controller is basically an evolution of the Dreamcast controller
I bought the Xbox because of Shenmue 2. I bought the Sega pack in edition with Sega GT 2002 & Jet Set Radio Future & Shenmue 2 off the shelf.
It was Dreamcast 2 to me.
What: a Dreamcast without Chu-Chu Rocket isn't a Dreamcast.
I bought xbox because of halo. My cousin told me about halo. I had no idea what it was at the time back in 2002
Same. In my mind the original Xbox was always like a succesor to the dreamcast and related to the SEGA family of consoles. The Xbox's design looks like it evolved from SEGA's consoles. If SEGA were still making consoles they would probably look like the modern day Xbox series. To me, its as if SEGA still lives as a console through the Xbox
Same..
I’m still waiting for jet set radio future hd remaster cause I never got to play it on the original xbox
I remember as a teenager when this all went down, we theorized the xbox was the dreamcast 2 and came up with most of these points. Nice to see again years later
To me Xbox as a whole felt like a continuation of sega's hardware. Something about getting sega games on Microsoft hardware always made me feel good.
The original Xbox definitely felt like a SEGA console, the 360 and onwards didn’t have that SEGA quirkiness though
@@lucymorrison what was SEGA Quirk?
200% of my games on Xbox are SEGA games.
@@ShiroCh_ID basically what nintendo does; one generation a brilliant design(genesis/wii) the next one people question if it will kill the company(wii u/ saturn)
Waiting for the *DreamCast* *Classic* *Edition* , hopefully not from AtGames
I need dis
Sega fired atgames
just pick your old dreamcast
Just get an original DC!
No don't ruin the dreamcast. We need a new sega system
The feeling I get when I hear the start up of those generation console's. Goosebumps
Yeah I miss those things
Your mini documentaries are very enjoyable and informative. Thank you for your work.
I can´t stop watching thos OG Xbox Videos. Thank you for sharing. Just reanimted my old xbox with a new 2TB HDD.
Note: To all the Sega fans - i am fully aware i interchange 'See-gah' and 'Say-Gah' when i pronounce Sega :) Growing up in Australia all the commercials on TV would pronounce it See-gah and its stuck with me. for example - th-cam.com/video/LQjFyQbwLn4/w-d-xo.html
See Gah-Ozisoft. Ah, the mammaries
Wouldn't the Japanase pronounce it 'Segga' anyway? In the 80s, we in the UK, generally speaking, would also pronounce it 'See-gah'. You say tomatoes, I say tomatoes.
In Italy everything SEGA was marketed as "See-gah" because the other way of saying it would basically mean saw (the tool) and is actually a colloquial way to refer to masturbation :D
mrpositronia no, in the uk we pronounce it SAY-GA, because that is how it is pronounced, as per Sonic games saying it that way on the start up
And in Europe we say snes instead of s.n.e.s.
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I think that the Original Xbox "Duke" controller looks like a combination between a Microsoft Sidewinder Extreme Controller and a Dreamcast Controller.
It looks like something that would actually fit comfortably in my hands.
Its a nice controller, you can buy Hyperkin Dukes for current gen xbox's/pc as well, i have one and its great.
The "duke" was designed by people who had no idea what they were doing.
I never knew sidewinder existed and I own an OG.
@@Sparkfist It was a comfortable controller, just had awkward black and white buttons.
It's interesting that on-screen it states "Powered by Windows CE", but on the front of the console it states "Compatible with Windows CE". Ever since I first got my Dreamcast years ago, I always wondered what "Compatible with Windows CE" meant. Thank you for explaining it.
Loved my Dreamcast.
The OG xbox is still an underrated machine IMO.
Only in sales. It was better than the PS2 in every way. The PS2 only led the sales race because it had a head start and was a DVD player. The Xbox was a year late and needed a remote to play DVDs. How good the Xbox was is why the Xbox 360 got such a strong start out of the gate. Microsoft exclusives were top notch during that decade as well. Sony had good titles, but none as impactful and iconic as Halo during that period. That's not to mention the extra power, hard drive and Xbox live.
@@honkhonkler7732 The Xbox 360's strong start is also down to PS3's terrible launch and very high price point.
Yeah, more underrated than Gamecube.
@@honkhonkler7732 a year head star shouldn’t mean ps2 sold over 100 mil more units than Xbox
@@cokelife5831 brand recognition is another factor. It was Microsoft's first console vs Sony's second console.
Not to mention that the Dreamcast came out a year prior to ps2 but a lot of people didn't get it and just waited for the ps2. The GameCube aswell came out the same year as the Xbox so yeah PS2 had the advantange thanks to Dreamcast not having a DVD drive.
Neat, I always knew Virtua Cop 3 was playable on dev/upgraded Xboxes but I didn't know it was the Chihiro build itself! Always love these videos ❤
sup dude luv your videos,,,
It's 100% the "spiritual successor" to the Dreamcast. There's too many defined links between the Chihiro board and the actual want of SEGA to make that the case... In a way I'm glad that's what happened. It's nice to know as a fan of the Dreamcast that when I turn on my original XBOX, I'm getting what SEGA would've basically made. As the Dreamcast was to the Naomi, the XBOX is to Chihiro. The home console version of the latest SEGA Arcade lineup. Great video.
In some ways yes the Xbox was suppose to be the next Dreamcast, but with SEGA having branched out into making games for other consoles, and portables soon after no it was not because SEGA did not remain exclusive to the Xbox. One thing that always puzzled me was why Microsoft never bought SEGA, and made them exclusive which would have given them an excellent 2nd party dev instead of buying RARE, and doing jack shit with it. but in hindsight I'm glad SEGA stayed 3rd party.
Actually I think Microsoft did want to buy Sega, but Sega refused. Also Microsoft did use Rare when they bought them, but pretty much any title Rare cooked up was generally lambasted.
Thomas Ruth if that's true, then it would have been down to SEGA of Japan, and their stubbornness. Far as RARE goes under Microsoft, the only thing they have remotely done well was RARE Replay, and it still did not make me want to go out, and buy a Microsoft console to play it, like RARE did in their glory days of the N64. In fact RARE games where one of the big reasons I got into collecting for the N64. So in my book that still counts as Microsoft not really doing jack shit with RARE.
True. I think the reason the xbox didn't sell well in Japan was the lack of Japanese titles
NaughtyGawd That had some part to play in it for sure, but Japanese consumers are very nationalistic overall, and prefer to support home grown companies such as Nintendo, and SONY over Microsoft when it comes to their console preferences. No outside console has done well in Japan, Atari failed, along with the Apple Pippin, and it even had the backing of Bandai. The main reason Apple has done so well in Japan far as their computers, and other hardware is because overall since the 80's they have had better support for typing, and displaying the Japanese language.
It's not xbox's fault that RARE can't develop a game to save their own damned lives after the year 2001. As a company, they suck cock, and you must now accept that, or keep lying to yourself.
I owned the Dreamcast at launch and when it was dying there was talk back then that Microsoft had a strong working relationship with Sega and that their upcoming Xbox console would carry the torch for Sega...at least early on. Nevertheless, I went from Dreamcast to Xbox for that very reason alone. Games like Gunvalkyrie were actually originally developed for Dreamcast late in it's life and when the system ended development moved to Xbox.
I've always thought of the Original Xbox as the Sega Dreamcast's spiritual successor, mostly due to the similarity in the controller.
I've never got on with Playstation controllers so I held on to my Dreamcast right up until the Xbox was released, which I traded it in for.
3:01 now that brings back some memories. After my comadore 64 died , the monitor stayed around as my bedroom TV until high school. TBH it's one of the best crt tvs you can use for retro gaming. They were well built too and mine is in storage still working.
Thank you for making this video. I have been saying since 2002 that the Xbox was the newer brother to the Dreamcast. The Sega games that went to Xbox, the 4 controller ports, the 2 ports on the controller used for memory and communication (Dreamcast had the mic stick and Xbox plug in for headphones). They both had built in internet connections. Back to the controllers, similar layouts, letters for buttons and almost the same colors for those buttons. I believe some of the very same developers of Dreamcast went over to Xbox. I love how you even went into the true technology that is used by both systems. I have been a long time Seag fan, well collections include Saturn and Dreamcast, so I approve of this video, since I was just going to make one....well now I can't. I would feel like I was ripping you off.
the VMU was the greatest memory card of all time!
I think the nintendo switch is a play on that, and is now technically the best
It was an overpriced Mem card
@@xXTopGXx No.
... when your CR2032 batteries weren't flat... which was always.
@@xXTopGXx Yeah I bet Nintendo was all like, hey our current home system is failing, mostly because of its dumb gimmick, what should we do? Oh yeah I know, we should copy the dumb gimmick of a failed system from 2 decades ago. Right.
not to forget, only because of WinCE it was possible to hack the dreamcast security system and so we could build the preloader CD-R to play copied games :-) Thanks Bill
no that was just f up by sega
F up? Yes. Obvious loophole? Yes.
@Fat Chocobo maybe the 31 users who use the Utopia DC Loader all the years with DiscJuggler...
Back to school youngster.
yup microsoft has backdoors to all its software/hardware built in for CIA/NSA ACCESS
You triggered me to turn on my Outrun 2 Twin Arcade now !!! Chihiro always makes me happy. For me personally the OG Xbox is kinda the Dreamcast 2. And from a collectors perspective i have stocked up on games the last two years. So many great jewels on that console.
Outrun 2 is seriously a great game. It's the only reason I still keep my old xbox around.
It’s insane how much smaller the Dreamcast is
When you said the Japanese release date of the Dreamcast was in November of 1998 I had to double check that, because I'll never forget 9/9/99 as the day the system came out in North America (same day as Final Fantasy 8 IIRC). Anyway, I had no idea that the Dreamcast was out in Japan for 10 months before it came here. That's insane.
As far as I know all the Sega systems came out in Japan ahead of time to the American version of the systems.
For some reason, I smiled when you said that they asked that Dreamcast games be compatible with the Xbox.
Truly, this feels like Twilight Princess, the Hero of Time and the Hero of Twilight.
I had forgotten just how small the Dreamcast was! And how massive the Xbox was... The PS2 actually fit pretty nicely in between.
as a dreamcast lover, this is a joy to learn
Had Sega gone first party with Microsoft they would have never been pressured into making cash grab sonic games to keep afloat .They would have taken new risk reviving old franchises with the budget of a software giant.
Leo Garivay V. Sega would have closed doors long ago if they would be bought by Microsoft
This is an interesting point I've been pondering recently. I'm predominantly a PC/PS/Nintendo gamer and so for that reason I'm glad they didn't buy Sega, but one would have to assume that Microsoft had discussions about it being a possibility early on. Consoles are driven by exclusive software, and if Microsoft could have said, 'We have all of Sega's games, we have Halo' etc, it would have been a much stronger value proposition from them. To this day, XBOX's biggest problem is worthwhile exclusive content beyond Halo and Gears.
I love channels like yours where people talk about old video game hardware
Amazing video! I always considered the XBOX to be the continuation of the SEGA home consoles... Now it's nice to be somewhat confident that I was correct. I love SEGA and own every home console they produced for NA. I also own all of Microsofts XBOX consoles (I actually have a "Day One" edition X1 and I also have the "Scorpio Edition" X1X). Great video...
I was wondering why so many Sega sequels were on the Xbox solely. I didn't know Microsoft partnered with sega in the dreamcast. Thanks for the info, this was informative for me as a librarian of gaming.
I love both platform! Great job! Thumb up!
The Sega Dreamcast stands as one of my most favorite systems of all time. This was one of the most interesting videos I have seen about the Xbox and offered so many different angles, hardware and background knowledge of Microsoft and SEGA.
How come it's your fave?
mmm Sega games for XBOX original is fantastic: Jet Set Radio Future,Panzer Dragon Orta,Sega GT 2002 (my opinion is much better of Gran Turismo 4).XBOX original best hardware for console generation,Ninja Gaiden Black is best action game for engine and gameplay is level up for generations games,XBOX has brought the features then implemented in the generations after (XBOX 360 and PS3) as the online service and the use of high resolution in games.A nice feature was the conversion of the audio formats converted by cd by saving them on hard disk, the interesting thing was that many games could use the music saved by integrating them in games !, you could listen to your music on the radio or CD in GTA San Andreas for example.
sega gt 2002> gt4 a man of culture.
@@aawwmm I have played a lot of Sega Gt on XBOX for a long time, two are the main problems discussed on Gran Turismo and other titles, the AI and the physical damage to the cars, the latter also a copyright problem of car manufacturers that do not want damage image, Sega has solved with an energy bar system that indicates the damage of the car, Sega has also introduced systems of use of the wheels, brakes and all this affects the economy introduced in the game, this title offers you a very simulation experience rewarding, you have to be good at finishing first while remaining cautious about maintenance costs and it is something that not even the most modern games take into consideration.
Greetings from 2023. This was my first video I ever watched by MVG. LOL. I still watch again form time to time.
it is, thats why i bought it day one and still have it along with my saturn and dreamcast. they all hold up great in terms of gameplay and visuals
Kal El man lucky. I shoulda held on to mine.
Your XBOX? LMAO
oh yeah, was just playing Spikeout Battle Street, Silent Scope Complete and Riddick Butcher Bay. still cool and fun.
Kal El of course the OG Xbox to hold up because in reality is really an Intel Pentium 3 computer
Thank you for the research.
Wow this was so cool, seeing how similar the beta designs looked too! I always wondered why it was so similar how i never seen that windows ce logo and that sega was teamed with microsoft!
I always wished they made a DC2 and today i found out weve had it the whole time.
I love the scene of MVG trying to boot into windows
I always knew they shared a huge vibe. The controller and graphics give it all away.
*xbox360 is the Dreamcast 3* even the color and the buttons!😁
360 is just Xbox impoverished version 2.0 let alone deadcrap.
Xbox=Dreamcast 2
Xbox 360=/=dreamcast 3
Sry but the xbox 360 was something else and as for the controller colors it doesn't make a difference.
It really was
Dreamcast 4=???????
No...
Halo, mods, and Sega were the reasons I loved and still love the Xbox OG. Great Vids!
The original Xbox era was so good man, it was the perfect blend of online play and split screen play. So many good games.
@@lol-ih1tl exactly, picked up halo 1 and halo 2 for 50 cents each at the flea market a few years back.
The more videos i watch - the more i like this chanel.
Keep up the good work!
Would like to see a video abt the Ninja Gaiden series.
I bought a Dreamcast on day 1. At the time. That system had the biggest "WOW" effect on me. Dreamcast introduced a tennis game that was actually amazing to play. And I hate tennis. The 2k sports started on the Dreamcast. Shenmue was outstanding at the time. Tomb Raider the Last revelation and Resident Evil Code Veronica were must have for the system.
Pound for pound. The Dreamcast was the best console ever made
😂
The Sega Dreamcast was a fantastic machine that was way ahead of its time. It truly deserved a much better fate. What a waste, what a pity.
Fascinating watching this video again with the rumours about what next weeks news could be
Xbox = Dreamcast 2
Xbox 360 = Dreamcast 3
Xbox 1 = Dreamcast 4
I agree.. Microsoft dont know shit... About gaming..
Damn imagine what design the dreamcast 2 3 and 4 would have
Mizt3r E don’t think that was the point he was trying to make, Microsoft knows exactly how to do it right because they have succeeded in their relatively short gaming lifespan
L Aaronson Xbox project scarlett = Dreamcast 5
Xbox Series X = Dreamcast 5
great video! It's a real shame the Dreamcast's life was so short.... The original Xbox was very much a true love letter to the DC not sure why any hardcore fans of either Sega or XBox would take issues with the xbox being the unofficial DC 2.0 the two companies needed each other during this time
I meant to mention this the other day but just remembered, although Sega dropped the home console market it didnt stop them building machines, they had Naomi which was kind of the Dreamcast 2 - I happened to be in the US when Sega released the news they were getting out of consoles so I was able to snap up a bunch of peripherals at discount prices - I also remember seeing the last of the remaining Sega Australia Dreamcast stock sitting on a pallet in port Melbourne waiting to be gutted for arcade machines - I wanted to cry lol
It's funny, before I purchased (and ultimately enjoyed) my original Xbox in 2003, I always teased it as the "Dreamcast 2" haha. I switched to Xbox with the 360, and love my Xbox One. I'm glad they've added original Xbox titles to backward compatibility, although seeing all your videos makes me want to get an original again and mod it.
Great channel, new sub here.
ex designers from the dreamcast actually went to microsoft and co created the xbox
kaltblut if that's not evident what with the controller layout...
Not just designers… there are conspiracies out there claiming M$ sort of pulled a Nokia with Sega. Apparently the guy making the decision to give up Dreamcast went to Microsoft mere months afterwards. And he was only a substitute for the Japanese senior that had gotten ill some time before. Not sure if it's true though.
Not conspiracy, You're talking about Peter Moore, who was CEO of SEGA of America before he left for MS. He was a big driving force behind SEGA exiting the hardware business, which happened shortly before he left to head up the Interactive Entertainment Business division at Microsoft, which is the division that first created the XBOX.
"ex designers from the dreamcast actually went to microsoft and co created the xbox"
Bullshit. Where's your evidence?
"Apparently the guy making the decision to give up Dreamcast went to Microsoft mere months afterwards."
More bullshit. You need to research the history of WebTV and the original Xbox. And also the person who decided to axe the Dreamcast and the Japanese management of Sega right before that time.
As a sega fan, I do agree, well I certainly treated it as such. From Master System through to Dreamcast I only ever had Sega consoles growing up, and I flocked to the xbox for the sega library and familiar controller and 4 ports. there was no doubt to me it was the nearest thing to dreamcast 2 we were getting.
Still my favorite Xbox system. The Sega games have a big hand in that.
I still use my Dreamcast, I recapped it and it never misses a beat. Great machine. Enjoyed your video 👍
I always thought everyone knew the Xbox was the the spiritual successor to the Dreamcast. Once I saw Jet Set Radio Future, Shenmue 2, & knowing Project Gotham was he successor to Metropolis Street Racer, I already assumed it.
Wow, never knowen. You make such great videos, verry high quality, dont know any other chanel do such research and engenering stuff. I love it. I want much more 😁
Dreamcast was such an absolutely amazing system. I remember feeling like Sony was conquering simply by throwing a ton of money at exclusive titles, just TONS of them and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I’ve owned every Xbox system released... and never owned a Sony console. So I guess subconsciously I never forgave them haha.
I still to this day play my dreamcast
Travis Truitt I suspect mine is still at my parents house. Maybe I should dust it off and hook it up. I’d love to give the Echo the Dolphin game another shot after running through my old favorites
Should have used The Duke, instead of the S-Type, to compare to the Dreamcast controller. Its shape is VERY similar.
Great video, as always!
Your videos are amazing! Keep up the great work!😊
I always felt like it was at least a spiritual successor. Thanks for all the info.
I would say the Xbox is more of a spiritual Successor than a true successor to the Dreamcast.
Lantus, thanks for all your work.
To this day I'm still looking for a replacement copy of her set radio future single disk not the one that has the racing game aswell
0:27 after watching cowboy bebop i cant stop noticing steve blums (spike) voice EVERYWHERE.. insane.. he's in like half the games I grew up with, jesus.
Great Content m8 love the Xbox videos!
I've inadvertently become a classic console collector, and I've loved all your content. I love Xbox and Sega. Great video.
You need more subs, you’re videos are great
You're winner
Spectacular vid. Really great content. I would have never known the link between two of my favorite systems.
I love the look of the original xbox! I still play my modded xbox everyday.
I play my Dreamcast sometimes but I've already beat all the good games on it so I am just waiting for some more Homebrew.
Wow you opened up my eyes to that. I had. No idea the business relationship was so strong and could've been even stronger.
Original xbox was leaps and bounds ahead of the Ps2
Your left Nostril untrue
Who let you outside. Go back to ypur basmemt
Perhaps, but PC was light years ahead.
Warning: Posturing and grandstanding based only on opinion being flagrantly enforced as though it were fact. Rational conversation is impossible. Leave while you can.
No, only one leap and one bound.
Hearing the Max Payne tracks in the background really takes me back
We need a new sega system
I appreciate the depth of research put into these topics.
Yes, I think it's pretty clear that the X-Box is pretty much the successor to the Dreamcast. The evidence strongly suggests that Sega wanted Microsoft to continue their legacy.
More like they wanted to go into business together and then something happened that ruined it; like Nintendo/SOny and all the other failed partnerships.
My new favorite channel. Great content!
Small correction, the STV hardware was based on the Saturn hardware, not the other way around.
I went to type that but made sure to check the comments first. I'm glad the comments didn't let me down lol
Amazing video. I share this video whenever I can. Great job MVG. Again, amazing video. 👍👍👍
if u heard the audio of any of MVG's videos in the 1700's you would for sure think this guy is a real wizard
I really dont understand how this console went discontinued . It was ahead of its time
Interesting look!
From the looks of it, it really does look like Sega intended for the Xbox to be the successor to the Dreamcast, especially after hearing about the almost identical hardware their Chihiro arcade system had, but I think two things made them change their mind about working more closely with Microsoft:
-The Xbox failed to keep pace with the PS2 in sales (24 million sounds like a lot, but the PS2 sold over FIVE TIMES that)
-Seeing the value of developing games for other consoles vs. exclusivity
I was actually shocked to find out the original Xbox only sold 24 million. I could have sworn it was a higher number.
Much more powerful than the PS2.
Even the GameCube was more powerful then the PS2, it only won that generation mainly because of the built in DVD drive for movies that did not need a special remote to access like the Xbox, and when the PS2 was released in Japan it was the cheapest DVD player in the country.
Commodorefan64 and remember,playstation was a well known brand so people bought because they thought it was good because of ps1.but good start for og xbox
Randomthingz2show Randomthingz2show True, back then the SONY name still held some weight for "quality" even outside of gaming products, and even more so in Japan, so I'm sure that had a factor in the success of the PS2 as well, but how times have changed because now outside of home console gaming(even that's starting to faultier somewhat for them), few people think of SONY as their go to brand for electronics, it's now Samsung who holds that spot for a lot of people, or who ever is the cheapest on sale at Walmart or Amazon that day they need something.
Commodorefan64 the PS2 was the best selling console of all time. The DVD component does not account for that being the sole reason it was so successful. The games library was massive and it had a lot of great exclusives and third party support. Give credit where it is due.
Hardware alone doesn't mean much. The PS3, if programmed for properly, is a beast. However, it was a nightmare for devs compared to the 360. If you can't take advantage of the hardware, power means nothing.
wow this was a really good video essay. the evidence does suggest the xbox is the successor to the DC even if it isn't official. the part about the chihiro hardware being almost identical to the xbox was what really convinced me.
OG Xbox is bestbox.
i fondly remember having it running my zunepass, XBMC for my bootleg vids, emulators for NES, SNES, etc. it was my all in one entertainment system. nothing is like that today.
Great video mate 👏🏻
you should have mention that project gotham racing on xbox is clearly the metropolis street racer on dreamcast.
9:17
Modern Vintage Gamer few seconds getting cup of tee and missed it ^^
Yes both made by bizarre studio's
when it comes to project gotham racing I thought that you were racing in Gotham City or something like that .
Shit, I'm really hoping that Playground games would pick up PGR and do a reboot. Microsoft needs that Stylish racing game. So Forza can go back to being Forza 1 and 4. Horizon can be a Simcade.
Great video documentary! I ended up enjoying this video. Nice information provided.
I always found it mysterious how Sega drooped out console market without even saying goodbye.
I still think the dc could have either been revised or repositioned to take a large proportion of the Nintendo wii market and the home-brewed market ouya pi etc
*Wonderful video! I love both systems. You just earned a new subscriber!*
I think SEGA was developing the system and financially went belly up after the failure of the dreamcast. So they probably sold their R&D for the new system to Microsoft.
The original Xbox was literally made by a group of Microsoft's R'n'D guys cannibalizing three laptops into a prototype. They basically threw shit at the wall and looked at what stuck, lol.
@@KimPossibleShockwave Yep, the name even came from what the team building the device started casually calling it: "DirectX box", as it was a console being built around Microsoft's DirectX APIs. Marketing tried to come up with other unique names for it, but "Xbox" is the one that stuck.
@@jSyndeoMusic Didn't know that, but it makes sense!
Makes you wonder what else had origins like that, too.
@@KimPossibleShockwave That sounds like a pretty bonkers way of building a prototype...
But... It makes perfect sense that Microsoft would try and build a gaming console out of a PC...
It's what they knew...
And it would minimise how much work they would have had to do into building an operating system for the thing.
Just take windows, strip out everything you can find that seems superfluous for a game console, put a new UI on it...
Did you know in older versions of windows you can change the shell by changing a line in windows.ini? You can do stupid stuff like making, say, Notepad the shell, which means that's literally the only program you can run, and if you close it, windows shuts down. Yeah, that was amusing at the time... Also theoretically useful, but I don't know if anyone ever really bothered with it in any serious context...
Still, when it comes to prototypes, seeing the Amiga must have been something else.
A prototype running at a trade show off 3 giant wire-wrapped circuit boards, each the size of a small table in it's own right.
Prototypes for the integrated circuits built out of discrete logic gates and components....
Which would fail so often they had to have someone on hand permanently just to fix the thing every couple of minutes.
But, when it worked, it worked flawlessly...
Just shows you what prototyping used to look like. XD
I really really enjoyed this!! Please continue to do more!!
From what I remember there were rumors Microsoft was going to help Sega with the Saturn that never materialized.
They did in the Dreamcast