@@NOHITJEROME Honestly i think cata is just a great expansion and TIER 11 is the best opening raid tear of all time, and i would be happy to see things from mop like the challenge mode dungeons for example. Also there is a lot of cut content In cata like half if TIER 12 the abyssal maw raid, or did you know that originaly the end time and Well of eternity dungeons were planed to a raid? They supposed to be the first half of the dragon soul raid 😀 there is a great potential in this expansion and i hope blizzard expand on it
tier 11 - do we get that at launch you think? mentioning the cut content, i think there is immense potential. i hope blizzard takes the sod approach and starts adding new ideas and cut content (well really the classic+ approach) but maybe it's too optimistic
@@NOHITJEROME To me, Cata is easily top 3 best expansions ever. Raiding in Cata was phenomenal, heroic dungeons (even after nerfs) were incredibly fun and engaging, PvP was balanced for the very first time (Until people starts getting legendaries ofc) and the 2 best reasons are... Classes are incredibly fun to play and the amount of brain dead speccs were drastically reduced or even removed for some people, and healing... oh man, healing in Cataclysm is absolutely fantastic! You feel like your heals are important, but if you abuse them, you go oom in less than a minute so you better think about what button to press and when to press it..
The limited beta is so that people actually test the new old world levelling. If they just opened all the level 85 stuff lots of bugs from leveling would be missed
ohhh I like that logic. to me I don't really..how do I put this..I don't care about the old world leveling in cata that much. I want the 80-85, all the new stuff. so it's an odd beta right now. but I completely see your point
@@NOHITJEROME The “old world” has been altered so it’s not exactly the same. I’m actually looking forward to enjoying the questing and lore. I’m just not a fan of testing stuff, especially since I never played this expansion but hey ty guys for making my experience less buggy. 😂
It's definitely going to be a more fun expansion than people are saying. The biggest complaint looking back was the amount of time we spent waiting for content after dragon soul, that can be fixed so easily. The dragonsoul raid itself being underwhelming is the other big complaint - maybe blizzard can do some tweaks for that. Other than that, pretty positive expansion imo.
I really enjoyed Cataclysm when it was current. I've kind of parked my mage during Wrath because I've been playing retail more, but I may finish leveling her because Fire mage was really fun during Cataclysm. I also have a balance druid at level 72. I guess I need to log on more to finish my leveling journey before Cataclysm release.
I personally loved all the raids in cata, and all my healers shined like no tomorrow in cata, i solo healed madness and on pally and shammy, and my surv hunter was literally a monster, dps was insane and it will be so again I SHINED in cata, i literally cant wait man. This is playing out nearly the same as when i first started playing
Both good. Tough to find that single spot you MIGHT get as Arms warr though. Always need healers. Arms warrior is situational imo and you never stack them
@@calebsmith1926 good call healers are always in such high demand. Was honestly leaning towards Resto cuz they are strong and just loving healing lately, Ty man
I'm very excited for Cata. The only thing I didn't like about it before was that I missed the world that I started in. Now I can always go back to vanilla, so it's a non-issue. Can't wait!
it's going to be a blast. we get the best of both worlds, hopefully cata gets some extra dev love too. nicely tuned heroics, maybe some tweaks to dragon soul too
Mained fire mage for 14 years now so that’s the way i’m heading this time around also. Tho just a little twist, this time i will actually get the legendary staff, but i did have full bis except the staff when the expansion ended ofc. ✌🏻
I am hyped for healing! And I will only play healers. Disc, Dudu, Paly, Shamy, in that order. As a casual, I just hope max lvling them all will not take too long.
hmmm...it's true gnomishfajita. sod population is tied very much to vanilla. as for cata, spell cleave will be fun. i'm even more amped up for rbgs though. always been a big bg fan
@@NOHITJEROME Staying on my bear, that I sticked with since Vanilla Classic. I have a Death Knight and Healadin Twink, but I think I prefer to have a maximun of one twink, and I am really excited to play Goblin Shaman again. So I guess it's gonna be bear and Ele Shamy ;) Mage sounds fun from what I have seen, but my work stands in the way of having too many alts 🤣🤣
With how things turned out it really feels like cataclysm should not exist, some people Love wrath and it feels like conclusion to classic trilogy, so there could be wrath era server, and maybe 1-2 tbc era servers, and season of discovery which is classic+
Would love to have seen wrath era servers, but blizz went for the expansion and potential money instead, I don't blame them, it would be tempting. will you not be playing any cata at all as a result? makarenkovadim
@@NOHITJEROME i have many characters so i will give it a try with hope that cata raiding is something simular to icc. raiding in wrath (and cata i hope) is much more fun than sod, but i more excited for "SM raid" (it's prolly will be sunken temple phase 3)
forced faction balance would be amazing. imagine a pvp server where you can actually fight with your flying mounts available on the newly reworked azeroth
Cata was pretty much hot garbage and most of my guild is quitting at the end of Wotlk. We have been running full 25man raid groups for 6 months straight and its been just as fun as it was the first time around all those years ago. Thanks to Cataclysm I have to say goodbye to many friends who ive been raiding with for a year...
yoooo why is it that cata kills your guild bezerker? couldn't you keep raiding, i have heard the first tier is good at least. launches are always good too. maybe it's worth it to give it a chance
I want to play Cata so bad. When cata originally came out I was just starting to work as a adult and had a lot going on so I never got a chance at it. That being said if they skip to MoP i am not going to play because it became to cartoony and corny. I think cata got a lot of ish but to be honest a good amount of its player base was growing up and was IRL things to do. So, I don't know if it got a fair chance. I am hoping for fresh servers. I got bored of WOTLK during ToC and have not logged in since so i imaging gold being so crazy right now.
yooo brandon thank you for sharing that. I think you are going to have a blast this time around in cata. I do think you are 100% right that cata hit right when most of the playerbase was being forced to get jobs and survive and thus the game felt very different than the ones we played as kids. And I also have a very strong theory many of the decisions (ie 10man raiding meta) were done because blizzard feared there wouldn't be enough raiders to do 25mans with everyone being busy in life. What are your big plans in cata? Any mains you want to run? Maybe a fire mage for me
I don’t get why people want fresh servers. What is the benefit? And AH prices stayed roughly the same on my server. And if you still don’t have gold to come round after 3 expansions, I dunno what to tell you bro. I fully agree with mop they rly went all in with the toony style with the pandas obviously but the pandaren race and new monk hero class were actually rly fun, it was a good expansion but game style wise the downfall of wow started for me with mop.
For players who have not played in a while it makes the economy not so inflated. If no fresh server then most people just going to buy gold cause without lots of it you cant survive in the economy. Ideally moving into Cata i wouldnt need to feel like i have to spend IRL money for the ability to buy the basics.@@Lovelyquid
@@brandonmccloskey9803 I mean gold buying is an issue nonetheless that doesn’t justify fresh servers. I can understand on the other hand that there are less bots at first which is more appealing but in the end it’s a lost battle, it’s been lost since original wotlk. Btw I NEVER bought gold, did one gdkp because I needed gold for consumes and I’m a high end parser so it’s deffo doable but it does require your time which is logical, it’s an mmo. Modern gamers are spoiled brats who expect instant gratification in an mmo lol.
Idk, as someone who just spent 6 months on a private server, heroics are far harder than wrath heroics but if everyone knows mechanics they'll be easy, but that's the problem, there are a lot of bad players who will make easy fights tough lol
People who talk poorly of cata simply Blew at the game and didn't really play. BOT and BWD were probably the greatest raids of all time ( and no you are flat out wrong if you think otherwise) and firelands was amazing also. I for one can't wait to play i just hope they dont tweak to much the whole appeal of classic is that it's classic, not wrath + or cata + etc.
hmm, I think you are right cdude. I never experienced cata and thus had a negative opinion of it. I believe it was probably equal to wrath in quality or greater, the storylines were good, the raids were high quality. It's just wrath had all the hype, all the fond memories. cata had none of that. i do think it will be a cata+ despite what you say, they will want to try to appease a new audience while keeping what they already have
I will never understand the hate Cata gets to be honest. I played the most at that time and the game was a blast, both in PVE and PVP. Really looking forward to playing it
we all got old and started hating on wow because wow tried to change and adapt to be more friendly to us with less time but became something that was no longer nostalgic, that's my theory at least
@@NOHITJEROME I have a couple of theories myself. 1) Cataclysm released in 2010, and the numbers actually went up from Wotlk for the first few months, then in 2011 and so on, numbers started to decline, but people don't realize that Wow was already 7 years old by then and people was 7 years older, so A LOT of people got married, started college and stuff like that, and their time to play was heavily reduced and eliminated for a lot of people, that's the actual reason why they left, however, they actually don't remember that was the reason and they want to blame it on the first thing that comes to their minds. 2) It's ok to hate on Cata, like, it's basically fashion, which is funny because we are now realizing that the majority of the people actually likes Cata and the minority is just that, a minority, but as all minorities, they have to make the most noise to be heard.
@josedavidmunozmartinez4722 This isn't even remotely true. The numbers for Cata will be even less than current wotlk. There is almost no interest in Cata classic. It's the beginning of retail so the classic fans are not interested at all.
great point, for movie studios that is nothing abnormal. it does leave the scene in a worse place as a result imo. how many MMOs have terrible launches and never recover as a result? and we are left with less competition
Cata "easily killing Season of Discovery when released at the wrong time" made me chuckle hard. Content Creators really try to hype it up recently, but don't seem to realize how few people are truly interested in playing that expansion.
hmm, i just think ANYTHING can kill sod, it's still experimental, it's touch and go. you take 30% of the sod playerbase and that starts a snowball. even if very few ppl play cata it still has the power to hurt sod
Or more like you don't want to see the truth... Tons and TONS of people are very hyped for Cata and will play Cata. I mean, I get it, it's hard to believe that something you don't like is widely loved by many others, but it is what it is.
I mean there are numbers that support it wasn’t super popular but I mean SOD also has hella inflated numbers due to alt ease. I’m gonna poke around it, but not gonna take it very serious. I like that I can 10m raid with friends!
@@josedavidmunozmartinez4722 Tons where? Sure in your little community everybody will tell you they're hyped for it, but ultimately not many people will play it. Just look around in the youtube/reddit/twitch comments. The sentiment is that cata is just a very underwhelming expansion, there is a reason it caused the biggest playerdrop in WoW history. And the lukewarm reactions at Blizzcon when they revealed cata classic support that. Don't get me wrong, I hope you guys enjoy your time in the expansion, but don't be delusional about it's popularity.
that's what i'm starting to come around to, if you like wotlk raiding and gameplay cata will be an extension and in some ways an improvement over wotlk. is that a fair take?
@@707Auron ok so because the last fight wasnt to everyones liking, we just gonna trash on an entire expansion? I dont know, not you in particular but the entire hate against cata seems so dumb
that would be very nice lovelyquid, but then what do we do with sod p3? unless you are skipping it entirely, it can't be later than may. unless..JUNE sod p3?
@@NOHITJEROME April probably? I mean the roadmap speaks for itself. According to that P3 will come out before cata prepatch hits. And cata will launch on the start of the summer, which is end june. Which is a month too late imo. They also don’t shy away from launching things at the same time, we’ve seen that multiple times. So far the roadmap was pretty spot on.
It will be 31aug…they’ve had that date on battle net shop for a while now. Pre patch mid June. I’m not in a massive rush for it to be honest. I’m doing loremaster and finishing reps will take 4 months and want 100k gold for Cata.
@@NOHITJEROME yeah, I m a bit shocked. Lots of things to do. But I do like the faster schedule. No empty times and great time to play from patch to patch. I m looking forward on that
I hope so, i mean, its such a blizzard classic to have to take 1.5 years to re release content lmao. Billion dollar company moving slower than someone without legs
hmm, it's a good point henry. i wonder if the 10mans coincided with the population getting older and blizzard trying to do something for people working full time
More players doesn’t necessarily make a raid more social or bonding imo but yea that kinda alrdy started since they made raids not 40 man anymore which imo was the most fun.
I wouldnt be surprises, Blizzard has terrible release dates. They shat on phase 4 of WotLK with SoD phase 1. And the fact that SoD has phases, each time the phase releases, WotLK takes another hit. Its so dead.
hmm, wotlk definitely lasted way too long - at least the last 6 months of icc. not sure why they delay things so long. same thing happened with classic
@@NOHITJEROME I guess I can't speak for other servers, but mine (Grobbulus) has a crazy faction war going on It started to get really heated between two faction guild masters, lots of drama; hunting, etc. The world felt alive. But when Sod came out, many people just disappeared. But hey; that was only the PvP aspect.
the pve definitely reached a point of no return in terms of difficulty / number of responsibilities for each player. could definitely be argued the pve ended up less fun as a result. as for pvp, i'm much newer to the cata pvp scene. what particularly did you remember being great about it? I'd like to go all in for cata pvp.
I play two enh shaman in wotlk, one main and a alt one yeah, thats how much i like to play enhance shaman! :D im not a meta slave so i wont roll a class to be highest on dmg meter, main point of raiding is to do mechs, survive, dps and dont die. :P
i love that whackynuts, you have your identity and you like playing your class. i have heard good things about shamans in cata, i hope you will really shine. i am sure there will always be room for you in 10 and 25 mans so there is nothing to worry about either way
@@NOHITJEROME Funny thing is i always said that i will never ever play shaman xD but i really love it! i raid with my guild that im in so i will always have a spot. =) i will also try elemental but enhance is the shiet! i love close melee combat. range dps makes me sleepy hahaha
I always said I'd never heal and I've been healing for two expansions..frankly I've always hated the idea of enhance. They are the least survivable melee and feel like the hardest to play in all possible ways. And they are rarely rewarded with #1 dps since they bring utility and "support" everyone. Highest skill melee imo
@@NOHITJEROME haha okey! funny thing about enhance is im am one of the few players that dies last when we wipe so enhance has pretty good survivebility atleast for me it has. :) but dps is pretty high due to our spells uses spellpower too so when im fully buffed i have around 7k ap and almost 4k sp so yeah i pump out pretty big numbers. :P i checked the rotation for elemental and whoaw that seems the hardest spec to play xD enhance rotation is like 4-5 spells while elemental have more spells in their rotation haha but u should play what u want for urself and not for others. :)
cata is the beginning of retail, but it also might be wotlk that was the beginning. do you have any attachment to wotlk and icc? i think cata will be more of the same
@@NOHITJEROMENot really I stopped playing in TBC. I am part of the group Classic means Classic. Because of that the wow token killed the incentive to play for me. Same with the character boosts and the insance amount of bots infesting wow clasic!
Are you more excited for Cata Classic or SoD Phase 3?
Cata !!!
lets go asmondez, what are you going to be playing?
@@NOHITJEROME THE BEST CLASS !!! BALANCE DRUID !!
And you ?
i assume it's a good choice, i have heard 0 about balance druids in cata. i hope they are fun to play
Im more hyped than i was at wotlk launch
I'm glad to hear that Donat. Is it the 10 man raiding meta? Or more positive memories towards cata? Maybe you slayed your first gnome in cata :D.
@@NOHITJEROME Honestly i think cata is just a great expansion and TIER 11 is the best opening raid tear of all time, and i would be happy to see things from mop like the challenge mode dungeons for example. Also there is a lot of cut content In cata like half if TIER 12 the abyssal maw raid, or did you know that originaly the end time and Well of eternity dungeons were planed to a raid? They supposed to be the first half of the dragon soul raid 😀 there is a great potential in this expansion and i hope blizzard expand on it
1000%
tier 11 - do we get that at launch you think? mentioning the cut content, i think there is immense potential. i hope blizzard takes the sod approach and starts adding new ideas and cut content (well really the classic+ approach) but maybe it's too optimistic
cata+? :D
Cata was my fav expansion they ever did. This is gonna be amazing
I'm glad you are excited anythingartificial, anything in particular that makes cata your favorite expansion? was it a time/place thing, the raids?
@@NOHITJEROME To me, Cata is easily top 3 best expansions ever. Raiding in Cata was phenomenal, heroic dungeons (even after nerfs) were incredibly fun and engaging, PvP was balanced for the very first time (Until people starts getting legendaries ofc) and the 2 best reasons are... Classes are incredibly fun to play and the amount of brain dead speccs were drastically reduced or even removed for some people, and healing... oh man, healing in Cataclysm is absolutely fantastic! You feel like your heals are important, but if you abuse them, you go oom in less than a minute so you better think about what button to press and when to press it..
The limited beta is so that people actually test the new old world levelling. If they just opened all the level 85 stuff lots of bugs from leveling would be missed
ohhh I like that logic. to me I don't really..how do I put this..I don't care about the old world leveling in cata that much. I want the 80-85, all the new stuff. so it's an odd beta right now. but I completely see your point
@@NOHITJEROME The “old world” has been altered so it’s not exactly the same. I’m actually looking forward to enjoying the questing and lore. I’m just not a fan of testing stuff, especially since I never played this expansion but hey ty guys for making my experience less buggy. 😂
I feel like the people hating on cata are all the casual players. If you like to raid Cata will be a blast from the jump.
It's definitely going to be a more fun expansion than people are saying. The biggest complaint looking back was the amount of time we spent waiting for content after dragon soul, that can be fixed so easily. The dragonsoul raid itself being underwhelming is the other big complaint - maybe blizzard can do some tweaks for that. Other than that, pretty positive expansion imo.
I raided and did rated pvp in cata and it was all trash
What did you not like about it? i've heard very good things about the raids at least@@Demonsouls1993
@@NOHITJEROMEforce faction balance, and we got perfect cara expansion
love that idea. they should maybe merge horde/ally servers together. hate the 100-0 meta
Can't wait for cata. I hopped in at the VERY end of it like 1 month before MoP, and missed the whole fun of it. Can't wait.
going to be a blast g35jeesh, i want to play a mage throughout the entire expansion. any particular aspect you are most excited about?
@@NOHITJEROME definitely the rogue legendary daggers. Probably going to main a warrior though, possibly a hunter.
@@NOHITJEROME You should make a vid on the class changes because I’m not even sure what I’m gonna main.
I really enjoyed Cataclysm when it was current. I've kind of parked my mage during Wrath because I've been playing retail more, but I may finish leveling her because Fire mage was really fun during Cataclysm. I also have a balance druid at level 72. I guess I need to log on more to finish my leveling journey before Cataclysm release.
I personally loved all the raids in cata, and all my healers shined like no tomorrow in cata, i solo healed madness and on pally and shammy, and my surv hunter was literally a monster, dps was insane and it will be so again
I SHINED in cata, i literally cant wait man. This is playing out nearly the same as when i first started playing
Arms warrior or Resto Druid. Trying to figure out which one to main
Both good. Tough to find that single spot you MIGHT get as Arms warr though. Always need healers. Arms warrior is situational imo and you never stack them
@@calebsmith1926 good call healers are always in such high demand. Was honestly leaning towards Resto cuz they are strong and just loving healing lately, Ty man
resto druids - are they insanely good in cata? tired of healing right now honestly
healers are in insane demand but i kind of want to dps, i feel the opposite im a bit burned on healing lately over here.
are arms not good enough for more than 1 raid spot? as hyped up as they are
Loved cata during highschool and gonna enjoy the fuck out of it 12 years later
oh hell yes thewowzz, glad you are excited for it. what do you plan to play this time around? i'm making a mage
not entirely sure, all classes look really fun. I mainly pvp so I have to be careful not to pick anything offmeta@@NOHITJEROME
I agree i had the best time during cata it was amazing, especially coming from wrath which had 0 content and evrrything was faceroll easy
I'm very excited for Cata. The only thing I didn't like about it before was that I missed the world that I started in. Now I can always go back to vanilla, so it's a non-issue. Can't wait!
it's going to be a blast. we get the best of both worlds, hopefully cata gets some extra dev love too. nicely tuned heroics, maybe some tweaks to dragon soul too
Idk if you knew this but summer starts june and ends in september and looking at the roadmap it is at the start of the summer.
hmmm, that is good to know fossels. do you think they could go for a later release then? or is it guaranteed june at this point you think
@@NOHITJEROME personally I think they want to hype up retail more, I think when phase 1 gets towards its end is when war within will be released
Affliction lock PvP main looking forward to being able to play it for the first time in many many years
affliction lock pvp will be a blast, i don't know nearly enough about the pvp meta. is it insanely bursty? more dampening based?
Mained fire mage for 14 years now so that’s the way i’m heading this time around also. Tho just a little twist, this time i will actually get the legendary staff, but i did have full bis except the staff when the expansion ended ofc. ✌🏻
I am hyped for healing! And I will only play healers. Disc, Dudu, Paly, Shamy, in that order.
As a casual, I just hope max lvling them all will not take too long.
hi NOHITJEROME! The best news from you! Thx😊
thank you gushik, I hope things are great for you. are you excited? :D
Are we getting fresh cata servers?
no sir, no fresh cata I am sorry
Okay
will heirlooms be usable for leveling in cata?
wotlk heirlooms are used for 1-80, new heirlooms with the guild system for 80-85
SoD will always have its player base since based off of vanilla, but im looking forward to cata..... SPELL CLEAVE 3s is back!!!!!
hmmm...it's true gnomishfajita. sod population is tied very much to vanilla. as for cata, spell cleave will be fun. i'm even more amped up for rbgs though. always been a big bg fan
I want Cata now and after MoP :)
which are you more excited for? i really want to see mop
@@NOHITJEROME MoP ofc :D
gotta juggle sod/cata/retail/poe/ff14 oh man oh man
Play all 5 at the same time maybe?
i never played cata in my 20yrs of wow just here to say ur a legend man 🙏
yooo thank you devinoverstreet, im in the same position right now but im willing to try it. hope its good
Can't wait for Cata.
I'm glad you are excited Funchicoo. I'm going to play a mage and blast alliance. :D do you have any big plans?
I'm a boomkin guys. I'll keep playing boomkin and maybe I'll have a mage as an alt @@NOHITJEROME
well boomkin looks amazing, you get the mushrooms from what i hear and that will be fun. mage alt would be a smart choice, that's what i want to do
i love cata, not too much stuff, and still a lot thing to do, best pvp.
best pvp? are the arenas good or you mean rbgs? I'm ready for both
Cata Hype ! Cata Hype !
yessir going to be fun. might make a mage over here. what are you maining?
@@NOHITJEROME Staying on my bear, that I sticked with since Vanilla Classic. I have a Death Knight and Healadin Twink, but I think I prefer to have a maximun of one twink, and I am really excited to play Goblin Shaman again. So I guess it's gonna be bear and Ele Shamy ;)
Mage sounds fun from what I have seen, but my work stands in the way of having too many alts 🤣🤣
With how things turned out it really feels like cataclysm should not exist, some people Love wrath and it feels like conclusion to classic trilogy, so there could be wrath era server, and maybe 1-2 tbc era servers, and season of discovery which is classic+
Would love to have seen wrath era servers, but blizz went for the expansion and potential money instead, I don't blame them, it would be tempting. will you not be playing any cata at all as a result? makarenkovadim
@@NOHITJEROME i have many characters so i will give it a try with hope that cata raiding is something simular to icc. raiding in wrath (and cata i hope) is much more fun than sod, but i more excited for "SM raid" (it's prolly will be sunken temple phase 3)
Green Tea and Pvp baby. Keep on chugging Jerome.
yesss jimmy gt&pvp and now some wrath. maybe some serious 10man raiding and speedrunning. you in jimmy?
All i want is forced faction balance
Everytime i play in sod i am sad my character Will be gone to era... Make me lazy to even play my alt
forced faction balance would be amazing. imagine a pvp server where you can actually fight with your flying mounts available on the newly reworked azeroth
Cata was pretty much hot garbage and most of my guild is quitting at the end of Wotlk.
We have been running full 25man raid groups for 6 months straight and its been just as fun as it was the first time around all those years ago.
Thanks to Cataclysm I have to say goodbye to many friends who ive been raiding with for a year...
yoooo why is it that cata kills your guild bezerker? couldn't you keep raiding, i have heard the first tier is good at least. launches are always good too. maybe it's worth it to give it a chance
Excited to level up a goblin shaman $ mage $. Ya baby
yesss goblin shaman, that will be a blast. someone needs to make a race picking guide with the new races
Great choices. Hunter is also super fun in Cata. But so are most of the classes really. Almost every spec is more fun in Cata vs the Wrath version
I want to play Cata so bad. When cata originally came out I was just starting to work as a adult and had a lot going on so I never got a chance at it. That being said if they skip to MoP i am not going to play because it became to cartoony and corny. I think cata got a lot of ish but to be honest a good amount of its player base was growing up and was IRL things to do. So, I don't know if it got a fair chance. I am hoping for fresh servers. I got bored of WOTLK during ToC and have not logged in since so i imaging gold being so crazy right now.
yooo brandon thank you for sharing that. I think you are going to have a blast this time around in cata. I do think you are 100% right that cata hit right when most of the playerbase was being forced to get jobs and survive and thus the game felt very different than the ones we played as kids.
And I also have a very strong theory many of the decisions (ie 10man raiding meta) were done because blizzard feared there wouldn't be enough raiders to do 25mans with everyone being busy in life.
What are your big plans in cata? Any mains you want to run? Maybe a fire mage for me
I don’t get why people want fresh servers. What is the benefit? And AH prices stayed roughly the same on my server. And if you still don’t have gold to come round after 3 expansions, I dunno what to tell you bro. I fully agree with mop they rly went all in with the toony style with the pandas obviously but the pandaren race and new monk hero class were actually rly fun, it was a good expansion but game style wise the downfall of wow started for me with mop.
For players who have not played in a while it makes the economy not so inflated. If no fresh server then most people just going to buy gold cause without lots of it you cant survive in the economy. Ideally moving into Cata i wouldnt need to feel like i have to spend IRL money for the ability to buy the basics.@@Lovelyquid
@@brandonmccloskey9803 I mean gold buying is an issue nonetheless that doesn’t justify fresh servers. I can understand on the other hand that there are less bots at first which is more appealing but in the end it’s a lost battle, it’s been lost since original wotlk. Btw I NEVER bought gold, did one gdkp because I needed gold for consumes and I’m a high end parser so it’s deffo doable but it does require your time which is logical, it’s an mmo. Modern gamers are spoiled brats who expect instant gratification in an mmo lol.
Dungeons were not difficult at all. The party had to use CCs and not rush into packs, thats literally all
hmm...in your experience has any classic group ever used ccs and not rushed directly into packs? :D
Grim Batol would beg to differ...
Idk, as someone who just spent 6 months on a private server, heroics are far harder than wrath heroics but if everyone knows mechanics they'll be easy, but that's the problem, there are a lot of bad players who will make easy fights tough lol
People who talk poorly of cata simply Blew at the game and didn't really play. BOT and BWD were probably the greatest raids of all time ( and no you are flat out wrong if you think otherwise) and firelands was amazing also. I for one can't wait to play i just hope they dont tweak to much the whole appeal of classic is that it's classic, not wrath + or cata + etc.
hmm, I think you are right cdude. I never experienced cata and thus had a negative opinion of it. I believe it was probably equal to wrath in quality or greater, the storylines were good, the raids were high quality. It's just wrath had all the hype, all the fond memories. cata had none of that. i do think it will be a cata+ despite what you say, they will want to try to appease a new audience while keeping what they already have
I will never understand the hate Cata gets to be honest. I played the most at that time and the game was a blast, both in PVE and PVP. Really looking forward to playing it
we all got old and started hating on wow because wow tried to change and adapt to be more friendly to us with less time but became something that was no longer nostalgic, that's my theory at least
@@NOHITJEROME I have a couple of theories myself.
1) Cataclysm released in 2010, and the numbers actually went up from Wotlk for the first few months, then in 2011 and so on, numbers started to decline, but people don't realize that Wow was already 7 years old by then and people was 7 years older, so A LOT of people got married, started college and stuff like that, and their time to play was heavily reduced and eliminated for a lot of people, that's the actual reason why they left, however, they actually don't remember that was the reason and they want to blame it on the first thing that comes to their minds.
2) It's ok to hate on Cata, like, it's basically fashion, which is funny because we are now realizing that the majority of the people actually likes Cata and the minority is just that, a minority, but as all minorities, they have to make the most noise to be heard.
@josedavidmunozmartinez4722 This isn't even remotely true. The numbers for Cata will be even less than current wotlk. There is almost no interest in Cata classic. It's the beginning of retail so the classic fans are not interested at all.
Of course they time it. Movie studios do the same thing.
great point, for movie studios that is nothing abnormal. it does leave the scene in a worse place as a result imo. how many MMOs have terrible launches and never recover as a result? and we are left with less competition
Looking forward to more GDKPs with all my degenerate friends.
should be fun gabrielsilvas, the gdkps will be flowing in cata. 10man gdkps or just 25?
With the experimenting they’re doing now in sod, might be a possibility they’ll ban gdkps in cata lol.
Cata "easily killing Season of Discovery when released at the wrong time" made me chuckle hard. Content Creators really try to hype it up recently, but don't seem to realize how few people are truly interested in playing that expansion.
hmm, i just think ANYTHING can kill sod, it's still experimental, it's touch and go. you take 30% of the sod playerbase and that starts a snowball. even if very few ppl play cata it still has the power to hurt sod
Or more like you don't want to see the truth... Tons and TONS of people are very hyped for Cata and will play Cata. I mean, I get it, it's hard to believe that something you don't like is widely loved by many others, but it is what it is.
I mean there are numbers that support it wasn’t super popular but I mean SOD also has hella inflated numbers due to alt ease. I’m gonna poke around it, but not gonna take it very serious. I like that I can 10m raid with friends!
@@josedavidmunozmartinez4722 Tons where? Sure in your little community everybody will tell you they're hyped for it, but ultimately not many people will play it.
Just look around in the youtube/reddit/twitch comments. The sentiment is that cata is just a very underwhelming expansion, there is a reason it caused the biggest playerdrop in WoW history. And the lukewarm reactions at Blizzcon when they revealed cata classic support that.
Don't get me wrong, I hope you guys enjoy your time in the expansion, but don't be delusional about it's popularity.
Leveling to unlock DK is so annoying
yeah i thought they got rid of that but then people complained about bots but i think they wanted to sell the boosts lol
I loved cata and hated all of MoP except SoO
hmmm..what made mop worse than cata? i've heard very good things about mop
Cata is a better version of Wotlk not sure what a lot of the delusional takes are about hating on cata
that's what i'm starting to come around to, if you like wotlk raiding and gameplay cata will be an extension and in some ways an improvement over wotlk. is that a fair take?
@@NOHITJEROME very fair take. The beta is bugged like hell but im having a blast. The linear questing is so good
Problem is that you was hyped and get a shit Last RAID with ds. DW Fight was Just disapointing Af . All other RAIDs are rly outstanding.
@@707Auron ok so because the last fight wasnt to everyones liking, we just gonna trash on an entire expansion? I dont know, not you in particular but the entire hate against cata seems so dumb
@@saschaaah i agree IT wasnt the best but still 100 better then vanilla
I’m hoping for a cata release in May, 3 more months of wotlk is too long.
that would be very nice lovelyquid, but then what do we do with sod p3? unless you are skipping it entirely, it can't be later than may. unless..JUNE sod p3?
@@NOHITJEROME April probably? I mean the roadmap speaks for itself. According to that P3 will come out before cata prepatch hits. And cata will launch on the start of the summer, which is end june. Which is a month too late imo. They also don’t shy away from launching things at the same time, we’ve seen that multiple times. So far the roadmap was pretty spot on.
It will be 31aug…they’ve had that date on battle net shop for a while now. Pre patch mid June.
I’m not in a massive rush for it to be honest. I’m doing loremaster and finishing reps will take 4 months and want 100k gold for Cata.
@@NOHITJEROME With cata release I meant the prepatch. I want prepatch in may.
@@conorf8091lol
busy b jerome!
hi brett, thanks for being here. how's your week going?
Short answer. Yes. May 20 🤣
may 20 is eaaaarly, not sure how i feel about it lol
@@NOHITJEROME yeah, I m a bit shocked. Lots of things to do. But I do like the faster schedule. No empty times and great time to play from patch to patch. I m looking forward on that
i hope to fucking god they make gdkps bannable
you think they might? really interesting idea
I hope so, i mean, its such a blizzard classic to have to take 1.5 years to re release content lmao. Billion dollar company moving slower than someone without legs
arms warrior all the way
heard good things about arms, is it as good as people hype it up to be?
For me 10=25 was the worst decision ever. The game became way less social.
hmm, it's a good point henry. i wonder if the 10mans coincided with the population getting older and blizzard trying to do something for people working full time
More players doesn’t necessarily make a raid more social or bonding imo but yea that kinda alrdy started since they made raids not 40 man anymore which imo was the most fun.
WE have the timeline and know it's this summer...stop with the clicknbaiting
hi destrudo, when in the summer do you think? im thinking june
@@NOHITJEROME Frikkin troll lmao
I wouldnt be surprises, Blizzard has terrible release dates.
They shat on phase 4 of WotLK with SoD phase 1.
And the fact that SoD has phases, each time the phase releases, WotLK takes another hit.
Its so dead.
hmm, wotlk definitely lasted way too long - at least the last 6 months of icc. not sure why they delay things so long. same thing happened with classic
@@NOHITJEROME I guess I can't speak for other servers, but mine (Grobbulus) has a crazy faction war going on
It started to get really heated between two faction guild masters, lots of drama; hunting, etc.
The world felt alive.
But when Sod came out, many people just disappeared.
But hey; that was only the PvP aspect.
@@aussieraver7182 Those people are all in stv now 😂
People didn't like cata because it was to hard for them classic players don't want to work for loot.
Cata had great pvp tho which is all I care about.
the pve definitely reached a point of no return in terms of difficulty / number of responsibilities for each player. could definitely be argued the pve ended up less fun as a result.
as for pvp, i'm much newer to the cata pvp scene. what particularly did you remember being great about it? I'd like to go all in for cata pvp.
Ofc real pve enjoyers want to work for loot… stick to pvp bro lol.
I play two enh shaman in wotlk, one main and a alt one yeah, thats how much i like to play enhance shaman! :D im not a meta slave so i wont roll a class to be highest on dmg meter, main point of raiding is to do mechs, survive, dps and dont die. :P
i love that whackynuts, you have your identity and you like playing your class. i have heard good things about shamans in cata, i hope you will really shine. i am sure there will always be room for you in 10 and 25 mans so there is nothing to worry about either way
@@NOHITJEROME Funny thing is i always said that i will never ever play shaman xD but i really love it! i raid with my guild that im in so i will always have a spot. =) i will also try elemental but enhance is the shiet! i love close melee combat. range dps makes me sleepy hahaha
I always said I'd never heal and I've been healing for two expansions..frankly I've always hated the idea of enhance. They are the least survivable melee and feel like the hardest to play in all possible ways. And they are rarely rewarded with #1 dps since they bring utility and "support" everyone. Highest skill melee imo
@@NOHITJEROME haha okey! funny thing about enhance is im am one of the few players that dies last when we wipe so enhance has pretty good survivebility atleast for me it has. :) but dps is pretty high due to our spells uses spellpower too so when im fully buffed i have around 7k ap and almost 4k sp so yeah i pump out pretty big numbers. :P i checked the rotation for elemental and whoaw that seems the hardest spec to play xD enhance rotation is like 4-5 spells while elemental have more spells in their rotation haha but u should play what u want for urself and not for others. :)
id love to see season of discovery die!!
yoooo why paullowe, it's a good time
@@NOHITJEROME its just retail classic . i made it to lvl 19 and realized i dont wanna do this again!
Cata just sucked in general. Wow literally died once Cata launched. Same thing gonna happen this time round aswell 😂
nothing redeeming about it vaughan? there must be something you liked about it
I love classic WoW sadly Cata is the beginning of the current retail version. I would not play Cata ever sorry.
cata is the beginning of retail, but it also might be wotlk that was the beginning. do you have any attachment to wotlk and icc? i think cata will be more of the same
@@NOHITJEROMENot really I stopped playing in TBC. I am part of the group Classic means Classic. Because of that the wow token killed the incentive to play for me. Same with the character boosts and the insance amount of bots infesting wow clasic!
@@kiromancer Yea those problems alrdy started having impact in original wotlk and it just got worse and worse, now it’s just a shitshow.