ARE YOUTUBERS EXPLOITING THEIR YOUNG FANS?
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Dan Pay give it a rest your not a politician stop at one message
JaackMaate hisssssssss
Pls do a video on Shay Carl Butler trying to worm his way back on to youtube and social media, by using his wife to begin uploading again talking about how hard she is working to get over this cheating. Now she's on video two, he's back on twitter like nothing happened. smh.
JaackMaate Please make a personal opinion on Loiuse Pentland; and Dan Howell and Phil Lester
JaackMaate Please do a podcast with Dodie pleaseeeeeeee
“We are not just viewers anymore, we’re customers”.
Thank you for being real Jack.
i got chills when read this because the same time i saw this comment he literally said it.
Do you know what pisses me off is that "big" you tubers often claim they are normal people but then demand £99 for people to just be in the same building as them
Izzy Bradley I mean who would pay that much? It’s not worth it they are not that special.
You can pay less these days and actually see a real celebrity perform
I literally payed £60 per ticket to see BTS live - WORLDWIDE popstars. These ‘celebrities’ who believe they’re entitled to what they have aren’t worth even a quarter of £99.
I paid like £85 to see bellator live, world class athletes performing, oh yeah, I was second row too. These TH-cam's are so detached
And not definitely meet them, just breathe the same air 😂🙅🏼♀️🙅🏼♀️
The fact that Alfie told a girl to go away make my stomach churn , they made him ..... so arrogant it’s unbelievable
its actually discusting that he thinks that thats ok and that that even happened because he actually thought he had the right to do that after shes payed and made the effort to queue i just feel for them cuz that sucks
Apparently he replied and said it was false but that doesn’t make me believe him tbh 💀
Omg, a youtuber who actually speaks their mind and doesn’t suck up to bigger you tubers. Genuinely didn’t think these people existed.
That's why I like his channel, he keeps it real and is genuine to those who support him.
Wheeze Potato there's still honest TH-camrs out there. Bluedrake42, Empty Box... Myself as I'm influenced by Jack. They're hard to find though.
"I'm doing this because I need views" TH-cam is so fake right now that this amount of honesty deserves my subscription
True. Honestly, any fan who isn't aware that the TH-camr doesn't only create the videos for the sake of expressing themselves, is naive. TH-cam has become a type of buisness, just like Design, Movie ect.
My thoughts exactly. I subbed on the spot.
Guys, don't forget about Daz Black, he's like the dad of TH-cam lmao
I watched a few videos but didn’t sub until that exact moment
@@maijaaarilova6812 I used to love Daz but I hAte reaction videos I miss his gaming videos
"We're not just viewers anymore - We're customers." #TRUTH
WhatTheHell Yes exactly! I feel like I'm the only person who advertises a free thing without selling stuff now. I'm a radio presenter by the way, and listening to the radio is free!
You could buy 2 Zoella calendars for that ticket price lmao
And you'd still be a quid short.
But which is the better value? Sounds like a tough call.
Neither neither is better
jason H bargain
500th like
"we're all just kids who turned our camera on and got a bit lucky" exactly, these youtubers have no talent
Clover Nix they have something that their fans saw in them
Clover Nix engaging thousands of people is a talent. Also very good business acumen
julikeah Yes because whipping out a camera and filming themselves walking around the house is an incredible talent
julikeah even i could get big and famous off youtube if i tried, and i have fuck all talent and wank time management skills. everyone’s got something people ‘see in them’, doesn’t mean we should all get a lambourghini and a verified tick on twitter now does it x
Jack has talent in roasting
Id rather go to the pub and get pissed with you than any other TH-camr. Honesty and banter 👌
E F F I E I'm not even british and no truer words have ever been spoken. love this guy
E F F I E Willne and Steven tries m8. Altho this guy’s a laugh.
I would join you guy haha the new and improve youtube committee at the local pub
can i join, i love bitching about celebrities extorting their fans over a pint (no sarcasm btw)
I'm down! :)
Honestly Alfie Deyes has always unsettled me. Got that dead behind the eyes look. Nah fam, nah.
I never watch any of these youtubers, so I kind of don't understand who is who, I know of Zoella... but the others... and learning about this makes me wonder who would watch them and be part of their fanbase or whateve
Rebecca oh my god, I thought it was just me
Yes!! Never liked him he always made me uncomfortable to watch I don’t know why
His voice is annoying.
4 Years ago, I met Dodie in a small crammed venue in Notts she stopped and had the time to talk to me and have a drink. She was just blowing up back then, but she is still such a nice person.
Beth yeha she seems really sincere
Beth met her at her book signing last year and it was great! no rushing and had a big conversation with her. she was so down to earth and lovely
she s a silly bitch
@@kellynaz9256 Why do you think that?
@@crepezzzzz she writes really personal posts and when people say it'll be okay, we love you, hope you're okay. she rants on ig about people telling her that it'll be okay. she s like STOP TELLUNG ME.ITS GONNA BE OKAY. STOP ASSUMING.ILL BE FINE YOU SONT KNOW.AHYTHINGGG. and it's like.....people are giving you love and support stop shutting them.down like that
You seriously need to be on TV Jack. Entertaining is an understatement!!!
I cant watch a single one of the people he talks about, it drives me fucking nuts right now and probably will I'd end up either throwing my shoe at the screen (got a really great laptop so screw that), or putting my boot through it lol. It's like how can someone possibly think they're at all interesting coming out with the shite they come out with? It boggles my mind was watching a video (barely lasted a minute) of Tanya Burr's and my face was skewed for pretty much the entire one single minute I lasted of her talking utter boring useless twaddle lol. I can't even remember what the fuck she was drivelling on about something as interesting as watching paint dry and tbh deleted it after a while from my memory where it'll gladly stay.
He shouldn't stoop that low
Why? Tv is a dying media.
It's pathetic now. I actually like Zoe Sugg, she seems like a nice person, but she definitely exploits her fans with the money she charges for things and the way she only really gets properly active on TH-cam if she has something to sell.
I can't stand Alfie anymore, I was a fan of his once but his obnoxious bragging over how much he spends on phones and cars and then says "Guys, I can't afford to pay for an event without charging you, I can't afford the security to a meet and greet, that's why you buy a ticket" is lousy. I mean, I'm a book nerd and I've been to so many book signings from authors and I've never had to pay for it, I can't believe this new trend of paying to have someone sign your book. The point is that the people there bought your book and came out of their way to tell you they like you. People now want paying to promote their own books and have their egos inflated by loyal fans. It's terrible.
Didnt they do Amnesty fest or something a few years ago? They won't go to SITC where so many of their fans go and it's all because of money. They want paying for their time while they sit in their mansions vlogging their "hauls" to make money from the views when they're not doing anything content worthy. "I bought some jeans, I'm gonna video it and make the money back for them from you"
It truly is sad. I've had a lot of problems with Alfie, he's wasteful, obnoxious and talks down to fans as if they should obey his orders on how they speak to him when he's pissed them off.
Firstly youtubers don't decide the price of their products and secondly shut your mouth
Emily Moorey If they're willing to allow their name on things and take the profits, they have a say. When Boots said to Zoe that it was going to be £50 she could have done a number of things such as refusing to allow them to put it up for sale or she could have told her fans she felt it was overpriced. Instead she sat awaiting for the money to roll in from her fans who can barely afford her merch while she and her boyfriend flash a new iPhone every couple of months. Most flexing couple on TH-cam.
Totally agree... hes such a prick!
Love this. Its spot on. Every single one of his videos is about what he has and how much it cost 🙈 Its so cringe.
Emily Moorey Oh my goodness, their fans actually believe that bullshit?🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ There's no hope
its not even £99 to see Ed Sheeran at wembley, why on earth should ANYONE pay £99 to see Conor Maynards irrelevant brother and Alfie Deyes lmao
LSJFHDGSFSFW so true
Irrelevant brother I'm dying 😭😂😂😂😂
Tbf to him (Conors brother) he was one of the only ones that didn't constantly bang on about the event making it feel like people were forced to come and he's one of the only ones that went around and met people whilst others (Alfie etc) refused x
update: the 'irrelevant' brother is in I'm a CELEBRITY get me out of here, lmaoooo
Jack - CS:GO I mean he's hosted radio shows and TV shows so I guess by definition he counts as one 😂 I mean I'm a celebrity has never had high standards for their contestants x
Anyone here remember back in the day when the most famous youtuber was charlieissocoollike and he was famous for just being a normal kid sat on the floor in his school uniform counting wine gums for a laugh?
TH-cam used to feel real and relatable to watch other people on their crappy webcams messing about. Now every video is over produced, super clean, and full of people I have literally nothing in common with anymore trying to sell me things. You might as well watch the kardashians now because it's the same thing at the end of the day.
Savannah Turner awww I miss the Charlie days he's so sweet
I miss these days so much. I even started a TH-cam channel in 2007 because I wanted so badly to become friends with him. He and his friends felt so relatable! Back in the days of video responses, it even felt like the youtubers were accessible and they often responded back on content sent to them. I really miss those days.
The classic days of coming home from school going on youtube and watching people being hit in the balls with golf balls or a fat guy singing into his webcam or boogie1988 smashing a tv. The old days of youtube were great.
''full of people I have literally nothing in common with anymore trying to sell me things''. This resonates with me.
I think it all started with the beauty gurus. I used to loooove watching zoella snd tania growing up, being a teen learning about make up...and then at some point it started to change....like Jack said, the ''community is dead, six feet under''
I don't see anything wrong with his book, assuming you mean the fun science one? He's been doing Fun Science for years and now is using it to get kids interested in science even more. Most of his more recent videos are a lot more intensive than his old vlogs, short films and educational videos take time to make. Also I imagine the fact that a good 80% of his friend group that he made stuff with turned out to be horrible people probably hasn't helped
I love everyone's universal agreement that Dodie is an absolute star.
I don't even know who Dodie is, but I think she's an absolute star.
@izzy 🥺😥🤔🧐
@@Milamberinx that she is
I don't think you deserve to receive any abuse for this video, you made very valid points. I have no problem with TH-camrs attending an event but I'm uneasy about the idea of people being paid to meet viewers, essentially the people who made their careers in the first place.Nice to see someone exposing how commercial it has all become.
Laurbubble youtuber meet viewers for free all the time so are you gonna ignore all those other times and focus on them being paid for the small amount of times they do. TH-camr are being paid to attend the event. why not?
Hi Laura. I like your videos. I think this expands to the whole entertainment industry. Went to Comic Con that week-end. Wanted to talk to an actor (too poor for an auto after £18 entry that allready ouch broke the bank) and was told by a crew member "We're not doing that right now. Maybe if you come back towards the end." He told me to go back around 16h30 (Con ended at 17h00). I only got there at 42 past, sad times but all actors in that area had left early. I was so disappointed. The queue was really short, so it wasn't in the interest of trying to get as many people to meet him as possible. It was just a case of "You're not handing money over, so you're not priority," which is the current Con culture. I don't blame the actors for leaving early. I've worked cons before. I know how tiring it can be, especially doing more than one day, as he very kindly did. I just wish I hadn't been turned away beforehand, just because I didn't have £30 or however much it was for his auto and wanted to meet him. It sends the message "We care more about your money than letting you meet actors". It's just not grand and it's a great shame, 'cause these events are actually really fun.
You say viewers are the people who make TH-camrs' careers possible in the first place. Likewise, if these actors didn't have such strong fanbases, it could influence casting decisions. Goodness knows how many films won't get funded if they haven't got a well-known cast on it.
Ah, 'tis a sad affair, but hopefully a learning curve for the industry on how to improve from here.
Hey @PinkDiamond7777777 I'm so happy to hear you like my videos :) Thank you. I agree, its sad to hear something like this but like you said, I hope the industry will learn and improve from this. I don't blame the actors or youtubers as I know how exhausting these conventions can be, I just wish the system would become less commercial and change a bit. Sorry to hear about your comic con experience.
I don't blame any of the youtubers personally. Of course if someone offers money, its going to be tempting to take it and I can't find fault with that. However I do disagree with the system and how it seemed to take advantage by charging extortionate prices to young fans, run by someone who seemed to want to make a quick buck with no experience in the youtube world. Compare this to Tom who runs sitc (like Jack mentioned in the video) and you can see why people are annoyed.
Laurbubble But... you cant tell WillNE did anything wrong tho? He sent a sarcastic tweet and this guy is going all DramaAlert.
I feel like videos like this are very important for people to see. TH-cam shouldn't be a place of exploitation it should be a place of creativity and honesty. It's a shame it's come to this.
Georgie Ashford Preach!! The worst part is these videos won't change anything. People will still follow these people and put $$ in their pockets. It's a shame.
I completely agree!
That's why I love Dan and Phil. They released a single with all profits going to charity, they didn't attend Hello World live, flew all of the way to Australia to go to sitc to meet fans, no shares. And more.
LesterHowellStumpUrieWeekesJosephDunWayGaskarth yeah for money lol
/: well obviously they need money to buy food to live just like the rest of us
Jessica Percival and Anne-marie Ward they already earning a shit ton so it’s obvious they just wanting more money
What a dumb and naive fan you must be to believe that crap!
@@jessicapercivalandanne-mar8488 they're getting millions of dollars/pounds so how tf do they need 'money to buy food to live'?! You sound like those dumb naive kids that jack mentioned in his video that idolise their 'stars' and blow their parents hard earned money😏
i was at the meet and greet of dodie’s that overran and i was pushed to the back of the queue so many times and at the end had a panic attack because i wasn’t going to meet her because i was being pushed back and everything was l o u d and before dodie left to perform, she saw me sat against the barrier with a security guard and came up to me and met me DESPITE BEING LATE FOR A SET. i felt horrible but she’s such a genuine youtuber.
Why were you pushed to the back of the queue? Doesn't sound very British. It's just not cricket.
@@crispouk3070 what on Earth are you talking about? Queueing is a system in the UK, and "Britain" is a geographic and cultural descriptor.
@hauha well that's not true, there are plenty who care about literal and metaphoric cricket.
Yes! This is my level of sarcasm, I'm in heaven right now! You are my people!
The problem is that it mostly goes over peoples head
LITTLE MIX!!
I see you on Little Mix videos in the comment sections 😂😂💓
omg I relate
the tea is exceptionally good today☕️
edit: wowza that a lot of likes follow my ig loool xlei.la
its.me why hahah
its.me What is your problem?
its.me how old are you?
Also where did I say spill the tea girlfriend? Can you read?
Tea is always good, no matter who it belongs it and what it is. Tea. is. good
I understand when Celebrities/TH-camrs say no to pictures WHEN they are out and about. But when attending an EVENT and saying no to pictures is completely ridiculous, fans are paying to see you there the least you could do is take a selfie. I mean isn't the sole purpose of an event to interact with fans? When going out to eat, it is not your job to take pictures with fans, because you are just grabbing a meal so it's understandable to say no. That's why people hold events, they are FOR the fans how hard is it to quickly smile for a photo damn.
I was just reading an article about the disaster that was Hello World, and apparently when Louise Pentland came on stage, the first thing she said was, along the lines of, "Hi everyone, thanks for coming! I've recently moved, so thank you very much for buying my new house." It just sums it up really, doesn't it 😂😂
well... at least she is honest about it ^^
Knowing Louise, it was a joke 😅 and if it's true at least she's up front about it! I suspect it's why she doesn't hang out with Zoella, Alfie and their ilk anymore
@@TwelvetreeZ it might have been a joke but it's also true and rubbing it in the face of people that had paid to be there but didn't get what they'd paid for.
jack says the things most other youtubers are afraid to say.
Some Person true
Some Person that's why we love him! Sometimes I think of doing this haha
Some Person cough cough WillNe
They’re not afraid. They have NO plans of saying cause they are all about the money money money 🤣
I find it hilarious that Alfie and Zoe have stopped going to playlist live because they don’t get paid
Ellie May are you serious? Because that's absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah, they've become such sellouts. I used to love them, but I've stopped watching them now.
Like tanacon before tanacon
Miles C that’s too real lmao
I met Carrie Hope Fletcher at a signing last year but also had the pleasure of meeting her on my way there and she was absolutely lovely and was so gracious to everyone for being there. A friend of mine (who works in theatre) met Carrie at West End Live and mentioned that my name and she described me to him and recalled our meeting. The fact she remembered a fan she met a year later, who she met once, is heartwarming and astounding.
I can't imagine Zoe or Alfie doing that for a single one of there fans
Harri Herniman yes! I’ve met her twice and she remembered me! such a sweetheart I love her sm
Harri Herniman I’ve met Carrie at stage door at les mis twice ! She’s so nice
I am disgusted that Alfie would ever say "Go away" to someone let alone a child who's parents paid good money for her to attend.
I'm paying less to see ed sheeran at Wembley ...
zara patrick seriously?!
Indi Heaton yeah I paid less to see him too in Cardiff
I’m paying less to see Shawn mendes at 02... in good seats
I paid less to see ed in Paris
I paid less to see Iggy pop and the Turtles
Me:*Spots Hello World*
Is this Tanacon: The Prequel?
Ally Whitten indeed
*he’s like a mix of gordon ramsay and an angry keith lemon*
Jack's honesty is sometimes overbearing but with an objective eye, it's very clear that what he's saying makes perfectly good sense. I'd love to know Jack's opinion on iiSuperwomanii, she's got 10M+ subscribers and I feel like she, just like Dodie, doesn't exploit her fans
krazykid287 me too like she actually doesn’t seem too
16 god damn minutes of jaackmate rant. This could be the best video ever to grace man kind
+Estaban Nazam enjoy x
JaackMaate I will lad don’t worry, keep up the podcast aswell. Love it❤️
hows his jelous, stale arse tastin?
JIDO lmao
Estaban Nazam t
I wonder why Zoella and co still want to get richer????? I mean look at that mansion she bought. Does she want a Castle? Also yes defo guilty of occasionally watching her vlogs to live the rich live through her for some minutes. First sign of her no longer careing was complaining about fand and no longer going to events like playlist or vidcon. I mean I get why she'd complain about fans stalking their house but people approaching her at events or in the streets?! I meam that comes with popularity and if you don't like it, find a job that is not based on it (woops that might require more than being pretty).
You do realise by watching her vlogs your giving her views and in return making her richer. You're contributing to that very rich lifestyle you probably crave yourself 😏
Zoella won’t be happy until she can buy you. Sell you and buy you again
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they are used to another type of lifestyle by now and need more and more money to keep their way of life going for longer. that's why rich people always gotta get richer, to fund more and more extravagant lifestyles. gotta pay for that mansion's bills till the day she dies.
I suspect it's partly a need to fund a lavish lifestyle, and partly everyone who works for them (and is dependent on Zoe and Alfie being successful so they can continue to pay them) encouraging them to push products, do events, keep making videos, etc
I bought a pointless blog hoodie once, I washed it and the zip fell off. absolute waste of money.
Coral Cooper don’t you mean buying it was- POINT-nope nevermind I’m sorry
Rahhh What a rip-off
Coral Cooper they don’t call it pointless merch for nothing...
Dodie did the exact same thing at vidcon Australia (she ran over but kept going), she even had a panic attack left to calm down and then came straight back to finish meeting everybody
We do not deserve the gorgeous lady that is Dodie, I swear, she's a literal angel
Yeah Dodie genuinely cares about her fans and aaaa she's so cool
bless her what an angel
Dodie is an honest angel I love her and her music so much :D
heyheyitsEmily such a queen
at the end of the day, even if the event was shit, the guys made thousands from it, he definitely doesn’t care about his reputation when he’s making that much.
“That much” he made 300 pounds in a month incase you didn’t know that isn’t enough to live off. My mum makes 500 pounds a WEEK and she only works at M&S wearhouse
Monica Ledger i think he/she is talking about the "big youtubers"
Monica Ledger lucky her. My parents probably make just over that between them.
Monica Ledger Jack is the one who made $300 in a month the other ones have been doing TH-cam for way longer than him and they're making merch and doing stupid shows like the one mentioned in the video and which they are making a lot of money of off. Also they all of them have millions of subscribers they all get at least 1 million views per video they are making "that much."
Catherine Moore I pay for proper quality makeup skincare and bath products. Not zoellas cheaply made shitty bath fizzes
This is why i love Dodie and Dan and Phil BECAUSE they 1:dont exploit their viewers 2:make it their priority to see every fan and deal with issues 3:dont try force us as viewers to buy their merch 4:dont over price everything AND THATS NOT ALL Dan is an ambassador for a mental health charity and they're genuinely interested in their fans I hate it when other TH-camrs like those who took shares in Hello World use their fans for their own gain and then treat them like dirt
I feel like dan and phil are going downhill a bit tbf. They seem to be falling down the same route :/
BubblePopMagicMop How come? Not watched them in ages
BubblePopMagicMop Nah, at least they put _effort_ into what they sell, unlike some TH-camrs coughOlicough
And 5. Because you're an emo
I think dan and Phil are great because they don’t force shit content they just make videos that are interesting when they can
I love willNE but him having the audacity to tell jack to have a day off when he makes many videos on morgz mum 💀
Hello World, Goodbye Money!
Nah its not even hello world because they're dragging us out of reality to get the views and money!!
Megan Stodd and the people who watch them will become more ignorant about the real stuff in the world
I'm a big fan of Zoe but I'd never pay to go to one of these overpriced events, and I really enjoyed this video. Thanks for dropping truths in an honest and entertaining way!
Laura Price You're a Zoe fan? Yo-ok, not going to judge you...
She's a fucking scammer
Dnb120 Yep
Laura Price I was a bit of a fan of her a few years ago. Yeah when I was younger. I came to my senses that she isn't good tbh. But that's your opinion.
Dnb120 No. She has a manager.
Why are you watching jack then?
you make a lot of valid points and I totally agree with you. It's rare that you find TH-camr's these days that don't exploit their fans, take Dan and Phil for example; for both of their live shows the tickets were relatively cheap (cheapest being around £27). Sure the VIP tickets were expensive (£100) but you get to meet them, get something signed, take a couple pictures and front row seats. Whereas at something like Hello World, a standard ticket is about £100 and you're not even certain to meet the youtubers you came to see. It's so ridiculous and it just shows who really cares about their fans and not the money to an extent
I didn't even know TanaCON -minus the Tana- had already happened in England months ago!
Thank you jack for being honest, I found you through the zoella advent calendar video and it's so refreshing to see someone with a platform on TH-cam saying it like it is. I wish we could go back to 2007 when people did this for fun and creativity, not for commercial success.
I found him through the calendar vid too. That takedown was a thing of beauty. 😄
Nail on the fuckin' head. I wasn't necessarily angry, I was upset. I'm a 25 year-old woman; I wasn't arsed about meeting people or getting selfies really, I just wanted a little bit of what I've enjoyed online for many years (many years longer than the naïve children who will defend them no matter what) in a unique way. I'm hurt that my perceptions were obviously so fuckin' off. I saw Alfie turn away those little girls and I couldn't get it off my mind; they were crestfallen and it's likely that that was their only chance, after spending all their pocket money on his merch and being hyped up for weeks. It might not have been a conventional meet and greet, but the "activities" were at best lacklustre, and worst, non-existent. I came home sad thinking that one of my hobbies had been ruined . . . then I discovered your channel and restored my faith a little. Thank you for that. 😊
The kids rooting for them aren’t naïve, they’re just children. When millions of 12 year old teenage girls are told daily by their idol how much they’re loved ect, they get so brainwashed that they believe everything they say. You can’t really blame them considering they aren’t mature enough to realise that most of the TH-camrs are just doing it for money
what're the thoughts on Dan and Phil? I feel like they straddle this TH-camr "line". They're massively successful, have plenty of merch, hold liveshows, and hang (hung) around the same crowd; on the other hand: they do livestreams and MnGs, ambassadors for mental health and the like, tastefully (imo) plug their merch, have good reviews of their interactions with fans (don't know how reliable that is lol). Your thoughts?
1998sims thanks for your thoughts!
1998sims I totally agree!
akkeyroomi they also went to a different country to the one they were supposed to be in just to attend playlist and meet theirs fans Zoe and Alfie probably would have just gone home
cat knowsthat I didn't know about that! What happened, if you dont mind? Or is there a fan account I can read somewhere
1998sims What about the fact that Phil made the 7 second Challenge and no one gave him credit for it, that was disgusting because that was his thing
This is a bit irrelevant but i really like your set up. The shed aesthetic is actually super nice
Jaakemaate is irrelevant
So well said. The way these MILLIONAIRES exploit their young fans whilst saying shit like "I love you guys" makes me fucking sick.
God damn when i hear that from the youtube UK inner circle i just shake my head. the heist of the century
It's really obvious they are using their 'fans' by how much they charge for their mundane products. It's always WAY more than regular stores, and the quality is dreadful. Zoe's products are made in China and they feel it too. She sits in her multi million pound house, after paying a lot of money to prevent the media revealing just how much it cost, laughing at the fact she's minted and her fans are completely SKINT. I've never seen her give back to her fans. It's all about her. If I had made multi-millions of my fans, you bet I would do a FREE fucking event where you guys could come and I'd chat and have a good time with you all. You could meet my dog, family, friends, whoever wanted to come. I'd do Q&A, sing, whatever they want. It wouldn't cost a bloody penny. It would take me what, an afternoon? a few hours? There's be giveaways, a celebration. I fricken hate these youtubers who are so damn selfish. They receive endless love and money, and they hate their fans. you can tell. Actions speak louder than words, remember that any lil fans reading this.
Lanna Lewis which yters do you think genuinely care for their fans? for me jenna & julien, thomas halbert & dan & phil come to mind
jordyn maldonado Jenna and Julien are the most genuine youtubers by far
Amber Stefani De Luca 100% agree!! they've never done anything sellout-ish (ghostwritten book, overpriced tour etc) and they're so genuine and kind towards fans they meet i love them so much
The fact that so many parents were willing to pay over £200 for some tickets to see a live show baffles me. If I want to see my favourite band at £30 a ticket that is my Christmas present.
charlotte whiteing exactly, ppl are complaining but yet they still pay for their kids to go. No one can say no to their children nowadays
Tanya and Niomi ALSO made profit from that?? without even being there? holy cow
PREACH! Dodie one of the few pure/decent TH-camrs left that are actually there to help people not exploit them for money. Little kids being exploited, ffs.
LOVED the brutal honesty of this video Jack. Again I think you've outdone yourself. Thumbs up all day long.
would love to see you and jack do a podcast, 2 honest straight to the point no bs TH-camrs, would be great!
Hey Jay
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Hey mate ;)
I don't really see those TH-camrs as TH-camrs anymore. They seem more like Jimmy Kimmel's channel and that type of thing - corporations on TH-cam. They don't even try to seem like real people anymore, it's all performed in a condescending tone, vlogs like "hey, look at my £5,000,000 house, look at my cute dog, look at my perfect relationship, look at my £200 worth of clothes I bought in one sitting". I like what you said about people like Dodie, because while she is technically a Big TH-camr™ she's still a person and makes that clear. She makes professional sponsored videos, but also makes videos when she's in the depths of depression/depersonalisation, she makes smiley Q&As, but she also makes videos of her just living her life, like making pasta, or planting herbs. It's Dodie, and people like Dodie (another example might be Thomas Sanders), that have made it really big on this platform, but haven't gone entirely corporate. They're all quite genuine and amicable, but they don't sell you this false, fabricated image of themselves being "just like your internet best friend!". On the other hand, the more corporate people are false and patronising, while simultaneously leading fans (who are often very young and easily manipulated) to believe they're practically friends, and that they "love" them, which is simply not true. Fortunately, I feel like the rest of TH-cam has kind of disowned them now, though. Nobody really talks about them, everyone just kind of leaves them to do their thing. They're not really part of the "group" anymore.
WILL SMITH has a TH-cam channel (I. I just.. wanted to to say that)
I went to HelloWorld and honestly randomly met Alfie, Zoe, Poppy and Sean after. It just made me realise that they are nothing special really, just people like you and I who put their lives on the internet. Their ‘talent’ is talking to a camera all day. Definitely time for a new wave of youtubers!
Wozza's World wow. A round for applause for you hahahaha. Of course they are just normal people :D what were you thinking? EVERY CELEBRITY IS JUST A NORMAL HUMAN
Celeste Lewis i think they meant they literally have no talent apart from being good at having a personality online
Wow you wasted nearly £100 to see some people with no talent i hope that wasn't your parents hard earned money
Charlotte Worrall that's the reality of it
I think in general youtubers shouldn’t be so over glamorized, even a new wave wouldn’t change much, even if there are good newer youtubers once they get money and want more they all end up like this
I feel like out of the ‘big’ TH-camrs, Dan and Phil are the only ones who really care about fans still 😢
Rhi_cosplays and Dodie Clark
And Shane Dawson
@@esme5040 ksi
esme torres this didn't age well 💀
Not anymore. Now Dan's not uploaded in over a year but still finds time to release plain black nail polish that all his fans will already own.
You ARE the people's voice on TH-cam. I fucking love you so much.
+Orly Burton much love mate
Orly Burton I
I’m so ready for all this tea 🍵
Me too.... i dont drink tea only coffee
Zoells and Alfie Deyes piss me off the most. They clearly make a killing, but show it off in their videos. Yet one I will partly stand up for is Louise Pentland as she doesn’t force merch, show off her money and she’s down to earth in the way of family videos etc. She’s not like the rest of them but I don’t watch her every day so don’t see it but I see the thumbnail from a Zoe/Alfie blog and it’s pure click bait and bring stuck up in my eyes haha
This is why I have been a Dan and Phill fan for years and forever will love them, i missed the meet and greet but made it to the show and a member of staff heard this and managed to tell Dam and Phill. I was taken backstage 10 minutes before they were to go onstage and they signed my books took photos and had a nice conversation with me and said it was okay when I said sorry for disturbing them before the show. They are so down to earth and love their fans.
Jack is so right to come out and call out the TH-cam who don't care about fans the way they should, and not manipulate children x
At Vidcon Australia Dodie's meet and greet went over time by something crazy like 3 or 4 hours and that girl powered through and then performed in the evening #dedication
Emily H #dodiecation ;)
She had a gig at my student union at uni and left all the fan mall and gifts that were given to her
Amy Rebecca they are generally not allowed to take them, since they could contain anything (you’d be surprised how many people get poison in fan mail)
sarasthoughts so they are only allowed fan mail that goes through their P.O. box?
Jack is one of the only TH-camrs who has the balls to say it how it is, deserves huge respect for this!
I love jacks enthusiasm when he’s defending a point he strongly agrees him. Possibly THE best and most honest and humble people on YT
Dodie is such a sweetheart. I met her almost 4 years ago - she stopped what she was doing and made time to have a good chat, a hug and a sing. These people disgust me.
"I bet they love selling doormats, I bet they've always wanted to sell doormats"
Nearly choked from laughing I bet that doormat was their childhood dream to sell
I just feel sorry for the parents who have been blindly flinging money at these creators via t-shirts, 'books' and shite beauty products to keep their kids happy lmao. Seen right through all the Gleam stars for years now. Finally glad that others are seeing through them too.
But are these TH-camrs any different from mainstream artists with all of their pricey concert tickets and huge amount of expensive merchandise? Most of those don't meet and greet their fans, so in my opinion, they are no different. Exploitation is everywhere. The majority of businesses on this planet are based on some sort of exploitation to some extent. But the entertainment industry is particularly bad in my view as far as that goes.
showmoke but at least you get a performance from artists 😂😂😂😂
going back and watching all his videos, you can tell his attitude has never changed, love him.
I do agree with everything you said, I just want to take Joe Sugg out of the equation. Him and Caspar even parted ways with GLEAM now. I feel like Joe doesn’t do it for the money, but solely because he loves being creative. He has is live show every friday on TH-cam, he gives merch out to fans and still takes time to take selfies with fans and talk to them.
Stop being so dumb he's another one, after all he's the brother of zoe. They're all the same only in it for the money!
Catherine Moore just because they are siblings doesn’t mean they are the same joe is actually very genuine and appreciative of what he has
@@catherinemoore5223 i don't watch joe that much anymore, but from what i remember he always has seemed to put a lot of effort into his videos and is genuinely entertaining and seems a lot more humble and sincere than zoe.
Dodie is just a precious soul
I was there for work.. it was like a poorly produced Pontins shambles, and I was there hoping to love it! At one point of the live show, we spent 5 minutes being told if we didn't go on instagram and send a certain youtubers instagram post to 5k likes in 5 mins, the Vamps won't be coming on stage, that was their whole slot. The full 5 mins of 'entertainment' was watching a like counter slowly tick up on a big screen.
Looking around during most of the event kids looked bored, parents looked angry. Such a shame, it had such great potential, just needed more thought and better execution.
Jack is the most honest and loyal person on TH-cam. And that’s something to be proud of! He always says his opionon and When he’s wrong he’ll admit that but most of the time he’s right because he thinks before he speaks. I really admire him
I know this video is old but only discovered you this week! Love how you come across you are spot on with all your observations imo.
The difference between you and them Jack, is that you are HONEST, and that is why I am fucking here.
god you speak some truth, you've definitely opened my eyes to why they dont go to SITC anymore!!
pretty sure alfie etc wouldnt agree that he's based towards little, little, little children, thanks for your reply though, we're all entitled to our opinion :)
Brad Griffins the big youtubers are based at manipulating and taking teens/tweens money as indicated by the brands they’ve created with books/beauty lines. There’s not gonna be ‘little little children’ buying zoella’s bath bombs or Tanya’s makeup; they are aimed at tweens who idolise them and their lifestyle. Jack is simply recognising the injustice of the events and that deceitful promises made that cause disappointment.
You're right, he speaks so much truth!!
ItzKara MSP What exactly is he jealous of? I’m curious?
He’s stated in this very video that the only retort folks like you have have back to him is ‘you’re jealous’, why? Because his opinion happens to be cut throat & different to yours? Get over yourself kid.
Laura Williams ☝
I love how transparent you are. That's one of the differences. I think we all understand that TH-cam has shifted from sitting in your bedroom filming with your friends as a hobby to a full time job for many and that's totally fine! Just be transparent about it and don't pretend that you do it for other reasons if it's clear that you don't. If you're selling a 50 pound advent calendar that is actually worth 20 you're not doing it as a hobby anymore or if you're selling 99 pound tickets for a meet and greet which is almost equivalent to a big name concert ticket (cheapest ticket) it's not really 'relatable' or out of caring for your fans. Also don't pretend that you care about your fans if you're clearly just chasing the money and not even caring to ensure those that put you in the position that you are in get the most affordable and rewarding experience. Chase the money that's fine but at least put the effort in or care to reward your fans for their support. Maybe do a free meet and greet once in a while instead of always seemingly exploiting your fans.....
you deserve so much more recognition, love the content!
I can't stand Alfie Deyes.
He stated he didn't get paid for the helloworld event.. he just bought a fucking woodland for no reason. If you can buy a piece of land for no apparent reason.. I think you'll survive 3 days without getting 'paid'.
Em F I can believe it
He waste soooo miuch money on stupid shit and never even uses it like whaat? I don't get why he is so popular tbh. And Zoe acts the same way. Why does she needs to buy christimas decorations every single year.... it's that really necesary 😂😂
True as well as they both have a room for each of their wardrobes and a giant house I don't get why they spend their money like this
Zoella replied to an annoyed fan on twitter saying she found it hard to show her face because of her anxiety. I sympathise that she suffers from anxiety, but seriously don't fucking go in the first place and get peoples hopes up then, it's simple. Don't feel you have to go just for the money, although that's all they care about isn't it.
she doesn't even have that bad anxiety she just uses it as an excuse. as someone who suffers with two anxiety disorders I don't buy her shit lol
Kitty Ditty doesn't she have two houses now? She needs the money to maintain and fill them.
yes honestly idc how much you may hate zoella but never undermine someone’s mental illness just bc you seem to have it worse.
eva addo I think the point is, if you have anxiety and know you aren't comfortable in that setting, don't go at all. Don't get people hyped to see you and be one of the main attractions when you know you don't like being on stage and have anxiety.
Rick Jones not really it’s good to put yourself out of your comfort zone
Definitely subscribed, we need this brutal honesty on TH-cam.
Subscribed after watching this.
Honesty at its finest and I love it.
Good on you fella.
What pissed me off the most is that neither did Alfie or Marcus seem sympathetic or apologetic to their fans shitty experience. They just replied with sarcy/hostile responses on twitter. Thanks Jack for bringing this to light.
Sammi ss marcus has always seemed too full of himself long before he broke up with Naomi. Still religiously watch her videos but could care less about the 20th guess the youtuber or song.
I immediately googled "Zoella Doormat" and I can't believe this is real lmao
wait I thought that was a joke omg
No way is it a real thing omg 😂😂😂😂
Kate Irving as far as I know you can't buy it, though. I think it was a single one, only made for her "Zoella Appartement"-entry...
"when will some people realise I don't just slap my name on things. I work BLOODY HARD at everything I choose to bring out."
guuuuuuuys she worked really hard to literally slap her fucking name on a doormat lmao
Jack: if you care about something your going to talk about it
Jack: did you know I’ve met Ricky Gervais
You are so down to Earth and honest! It's hard to find TH-camrs like you now.
I watch zoella occasionally and this has really changed my view on her.. I found her really almost aggressive when she was pushing hello world. Like 'if you don't come you will miss out.' 'You will only see this if you come.'
I think she's a good person but I think they money has got too their heads. I think her and Alfie don't really have a grasp on reality now. Alfie just bought a forest... but why? What's the point?
I would love them too address this hello world thing. But I don't think they will. I'm really disappointed in them as humans haha.
Really liked this video, you have got 1 new subscriber! Make that pay check 330.01 or whatever haha
Issie and Mike I'd totally buy a forest if I had that kind of money. An undisturbed place for long walks, mushroom hunting, and in their case, video making. Especially with wild nature being slowly depleted, I think that was a good buy. Better than *another* rental property!
Lyra Madrona yeah I guess, I suppose I never thought about it! I guess if you have their level of money why not haha still random
Issie and Mike oh for sure gone to their heads. That advent calendar thing? wow.
Lyra Madrona I understand what you mean but you don't need to buy a forest to have quiet forest walk and so on. I'd rather find a quiet forest for free because there are lots you know.
TH-camrs do decide for the price of there stuff and if u think they don't ur brain dead... Zoella is a scammer. Her Advent calender cost less then 10p to make on China.. She decided to mark it up to 50p when the company that promoted told her specifically to not charge more then 25p..shes greedy and chose to over price it and she got so much backlash she was forced to drop the price. Her and Alfie are toxic to the youtube community and scam there fans
I actually fucking love you mate. I'm nearly 25 and can't stand half the fucking shit on this platform. I've been watching for years and this culture that has sprung out of nowhere just breeds negativity. Everyone wants the lifestyle of these people without realising that they are micromanaged. They have sold their integrity and their souls for money.
Callum Charles 100% agree and I'm nearly 25 too. Fucking sick of it.
^^^^
(I’m going to be a massive dan and phil stan, but i think dan mentioned how he thinks panels are overpriced, so they’d rather have a stageshow and book their own theatres (i’m p sure thats where a large amount of the money goes) where they can interact with the audience that wants to meet them. It is expensive to get the tickets, I’ll be honest, but they’re still cheaper than convention passes, I get to actually see worthwhile content and banter instead of a glorified QnA, and most importantly- I AM DIRECTLY SUPPORTING THE CONTENT CREATORS I LIKE! They won’t be famous forever so they have to make their money now, so I understand the reasoning behind having merch and pricier tickets... but just- conventions are ridiculous. Fucking ridiculous.)
I shall go on and support you on that cause I thought about dan and phil quite a lot watching this, I remember them saying that they find meet and greets are conventions quite uncomfortable for themselves and the fans cause everyone has to stand in line for a long time to get a very short amount of time with the people they came in for, they're probably hungry and tired by the end of it and so are the youtubers. also big conventions are just undoable for a lot of anxious people like myself which is why I love dan and phil for doing their own thing and bringing it to smaller places where I can be comfortable.
I also remember Louise (sprinkleofglitter) did a stage show at one point because she didn't really enjoy conventions and didn't feel like her fans enjoyed them, I was quite surprised she did do hello live. opinions change I suppose
You can (depending on venue etc) also get cheap tickets, mine was 35€ which I mean is more expensive than a trip to the cinema, but seeing a stage play can already be twice as much where I live, so I think it's very reasonable.
It wasn't the best seat in the room but I saw everything very well and had a great time :)
I saw interactive introverts in toronto and as much as it was scripted, there was still genuine and I loved it. They still deviated from script and guidlines a lot and I had an amazing time. Lol I’m such a stan
I just found your channel and I love it! I use to watch a lot of the TH-cams you talk about and it’s eye opening to see where they are at now. Although your content is hilarious, I subscribed for your confidence and honestly. Keep it up!!!
I agree with this 100%, i love how Jack's so honest and just voices what the majority are thinking, but unfortunately gets all the shit for it. One of the best youtubers ever
"We're all just assholes talking to a camera" - Jacksfilms (the other great Jack of TH-cam)
Every single one of your videos never fails to have me in tears. Your honesty is so refreshing!
This is hands down my favourite video. The points you make and the way you express yourself are so real and I totally agree. It’s also so refreshing to see how honest and blunt you are and there’s no avoiding certain topics as it might be “frowned upon” or “uncomfortable” etc and also how you explain yourself and take on board other people’s opinions. Thanks for your videos man!
I'm glad I watched this (I'm not too fussed on the "big" youtubers anymore, except maybe Joe, so I didn't know about the Hello World "scandal" and it was great to hear your opinions on it) but I just wanted to comment that what you said about dodie had me on the verge of tears. I'm a massive fan of hers but I'm from South Africa so I didn't know that she'd done that at SITC and it's just made me appreciate her so much more. Super informative and entertaining video!
Rea Keebz such a true comment 😉 I see you
Rea Keebz Joe sugg is the only good one, he genuinely talked & took pictures with the fans..also he was the most humble..he even parted ways with gleam talent after the event...this is unbiased opinion based on first hand experience
same omg i cried i felt so freaking proud of her she's such a good person i love her
Rea Keebz alright mate calm down.
I was volunteering in VidCon Australia and I can assure you that she is such a sweet and genuine person who deserves your admiration. She was in the meet and greet hall for 4 or 5 hours, but she was only expected to be there for 2 hours. VidCon controls the amount of people allowed into the meet and greet hall, and the reason she went over was because she was having very personal interaction with each and every one of her fans who came to see her, when all that was expected from her was to hug the fan, take a selfie and send them away. She would also stop from time to time to acknowledge fans from outside the meet and greet hall who didn't get the wristband to see her. Really if she wasn't rushing to perform in the main show she may have left even later.
I volunteered in VidCon Australia and I would like to extend on your point about Dodie here. I want people to know that there are actually TH-camrs out there who are geninue and deserves admiration.
TH-camrs who go to events like Vidcon don’t get paid for it (they did for Hello World), they are there completely for the fans. We volunteers work on a 2-3 hour shift base. When I got there the volunteer I was taking over told me how that MatPat was already there for 2 hours, which was his designated meet and greet time, but he only got over half of the line. Instead of just snapping a photo and sending the fan away. He would hug them, comfort them if they are crying / hyperventilating, ask their name, ask what posts they want for their photos, he would post with them for a few photos, some photos include him picking up or piggy-backing the fans (very tiring if you have to do that for 2 hours), accept their gifts, sign whatever they want him to autograph on, and then have a small conversation to see what kind of content they enjoy and what they want to see more in the future. And then only send them off when they are completely content. At the end he spent 3.5 hours there which was almost double the amount of time he needed to be there. For the whole 3.5 hours he was so nice and humble with his fans, and he was so energetic and didn't show any hint of tiredness. Imagine doing that for 3 to 4 hours, I was just cutting wristbands and I felt tired for him. I am not a gamer so I don't really watch his video but I feel like I have became a fan just seeing how nice he had been with these excited teenage girls and little boys who are seeing him.
There were also fans waiting outside the barricaded area who probably didn't get the wrist band to see him, he saw that he decided to take a few selfies with them (which he defintely didn't have to) after the 4 hour long meet-and-greet. He did get mobbed and had to be pulled out of the crowd by a staff later. I've also heard stories from other volunteers of him just showing up and sitting down in the audience in some panels as if he thought no one would recognise him. And apparently when he was registering, he was like "Um... hey, my name is Matthew Patrick...?" As if he wasn't sure if they would know who he is. It's the way that he didn't take himself so seriously or think he is such a big deal that makes him an actually relatable TH-camr. Instead of walking away thinking "I hope he liked/noticed me", like a lot of young fans feel towards their favourite TH-camrs, you think "I like him even more now".
Dodie was in the next line so I don't know the details but she went over even more, I think she was there for at least 5 hours and only sped things up at the end because she had to go to the mainstage for a performance straight after. From where I was working I saw her having private interactions with fans and would stop and acknolwedges fans ouside of the meet-and-greet hall calling her name.
You can see the difference there where some creators care more about their fans. Those who always say “I love you guys, I would have never be where I am without you.” Are those who think fans should pay £100 just to see them standing on a literal pedestal from far away. And those who don’t throw the “love” word around are the actually people who do appreciate and love their fans. Action speak much louder than words.
I love you - this is amazing, your sarcasm, sense of humor and honesty is completely up my alley!
Not only is JaackMaate one of the most hilarious people on the planet, he's actually, genuinley passionate about his videos and what they mean to him. He's actually interesting, too. This is honestly the best channel out there. Just felt that needed to be said. 😂❤️
Katminda W he is not tho. He said that he does videos for money. He said it himself
sarah jonkmanns I never said he didn't. But he also said he wouldn't make a video he wasn't passionate about. It was just sharing my opinion 👍
So glad you separated Dodie out, she is a gem, always trying her best to be honest and give back!
You are going to find so much more success than you already have now. You are so brutally and refreshingly honest about everything, just wow. I love it. Keep it up! So glad I found you on TH-cam haha
Hello. I watched your video while eating my casserole. I really enjoyed it. And your video too. Legit one of the most honest youtubers I've watched and there arent many of them so thanks for being genuine.