Hey Mijae. Having experienced the likes of Sindragosa and Blood council. One of the things I would be interested in is who does raids favor? ICC has quite a few mechanics for ranged to deal with where melee can more or less ignore it, what does cata bring us ? Who gets fucked over? Thanks :) @Mijae
I would say that Holy Priest is easy to play and perform well if you're looking at the spec as a whole. The chakra system make it even easier, but to fully master it can be a little more difficult.
Could you go a bit more in-depth about ret pally? I'd really appreciate it, because I can't figure out why it's supposed to be difficult or anywhere near "hardest spec to play in the game". Thanks, good sir.
Exactly my thoughts. You have one "dot" that you need to refresh every 30 seconds or so. Start fight with Guardian, build 3 holy power to pop zealotry, wings and inquisition in one go with trinks. And then its just build 3, spend 3. Crusader is prio always --> then if exorcism proc ----> then judgement and if all these are on cd you hunt for procs with divine wrath and conc.
Cool list and video. Is being ontop of their game letting the raid die without using Tranquility as a Moonkin? Or not swapping to bear to save a fight as kitty. This type of stuff is so hard to factor in As a DPS, I want the RAID to succeed, even if I give up 5% DPS, it will rarely make me top DPS, and I never play pure DPS classes. Always hybrids
i don't agree on the fire mage at all, in which i belive is significant harder to play than a frost mage. allso agree on the prot warrior vs the paladin. on the paladin you have quite bit of time and dont have to stress, wile on the prot warrior to play it properly you constantly smashing buttons at a high rate to try spend your rage properly, and use the defensives on correct times. i find the prot warrior to be more funn to play, but allso alot more mentaly exhausting, so cant do too many dungeons in a row with it
I would argue Ret and Boomie are a bit more difficult than where they were placed, simply because that last bit of min maxing 1) takes planning (ESPECIALLY with Boomie), 2) much is tied up in utility that most DPS tend to ignore (you have to watch health bars), and 3) is exponentially more difficult for that last bit of value.
Arcane mage is always dogged on for being "easy" but it's really not. Yes the rotation is simple but the spec isn't about the rotation it's about the resource management and understanding the fight you're in. You can absolutely arcane blast x4 missiles x1 and that's it but if you want to parse above a 70 or 80 a lot more goes into it
The UH Dk is actually not that easy to play. Mastering the dark transformation cooldown, timing it well, managing runes and deathcoils in order to keep the transformation runing asap is not an easy thing to do
Is it true that Enhancement is easier in Cataclysm than WOTLK? I liked my enhancement shaman throughout Wrath I just hate that by ICC the minmaxing and great play doesn't convert into great damage, which in turn obviously is slightly demotivating when you have much easier classes/specs get fed gear just because they simply scale better, not necessarily the players are better, but raw damage is raw damage. I am considering going for a ranged class like fire mage or survival hunter in Cataclysm but I think I will still try to main enh shaman at least for the first phase, maybe even build an elemental off-spec (never really played elemental, but hilariously also a simpler and better scaling spec than enh in ICC). My other worry is that because of Time warp, as well as more classes having enhance shaman utility, I will have to sit out raids and will definiely not be prio'd in main prog groups.
Enhance in Cata is easier than WotLK thats for sure. Enhance unfortunatley is just not a good damage spec for the entirety of Cata either. It has niche moments of doing well in Sustained AoE but it just doesnt have the numbers to compete ST on most fights
Are prot warrior and prot pally hard to play or just bad, thus hard to get good results? dk has so many things to keep track of. 3 sets of runes RP healing yourself maintain ds absorb shield pally has a basic rotation that can be used for aoe and single target?
Its more because of the scaling right, So DK has a lot to manage to play it to 100%, but to play it to like 85% is quite simple. Prot Warrior has to maximise CD uptime or they will get slaughtered until they get avoidance cap. Prot Pala is definatley easier to play to 100% than DK, but harder to play to the 85% marker
Easiest to play is BDK > Feral > Pally > Warrior. Spam deathstrike heartstrike runestrike. Def CD when needed, bloodtap, eat ghouls, keep debuff up always, spread with outbreak, thats it
@@scubbaablocksas a main healer in cata there is a very noticable different betweek a BDK that just hits Death Strike and a BDK that knows when to hit Death Strike. I know its hard to imagine but most any healer knows exactly what I'm talking about.
Combat is deceptively kind of a pain in the ass to play. Bandit's Guile maximizing, when to Rupture and when not to Rupture while keeping up SnD. Sub is definitely harder though
Oh 100%, ive tried to be reasonably fair, but some classes and specs just click right? Like sub is just a spec that doesnt make sense to me, but is easy for others
Been playing druid for over 15 years now. Looking back on cata, I'd say bear is correctly placed if all it is doing is main tanking, however most of the time bear is an offtank which mean a good portion of the fight you will be in cat pumping the numbers. between cat and boomy I would swap their places, cat is considerably easier to play efficently compaired to boomy. Boomy you can play at a low tier level and stay near last on the meters without thinking much about the rotation and just simply trying to manage eclipse states, but if you want to be on the higher side of the meters a LOT goes into boomy. you have to squeeze everything you can out of it to be competative and that requires knowing all the fights, correct snap shotting, actively counting casts due to wrath hangtime and not wasting a cast in eclipse state, etc.
Only thing I disagree with is Disc being easy. Their heals outside atonement aren't that strong, you have to know how to set up spells for incoming damage, and managing Rapture procs so you don't go oom. Yes bubbling then atoning is easy, but theres more to it than that and if thats all you do then youll definitely hear about it.
I have a question, I'm pretty new and looking for what class I want to play but struggling to find what to do as I don't know what each has to offer. My favorite things in Mmo's are Melee combat, High Mobility, Damage over time damage, and brawler style combat. (Don't like stun-locking people) Do you have any recommendations for classes based off of that? (I'm mainly a pvp player but I will be raiding)
If you like PvP more than PvE, then enh shaman is for you they are amazing in arena (and battlegrounds ofc), only diff from what you said, enh sham is high burst damage. But if you like PvE more enh shaman is at best average.
I am currently playing Holy Priest in wrath because I think that the other healers are a bit too simple and I want a challenge. With it being the off meta pick for wotlk I feel like I have to work very hard to be on par with the other healers and I like that. I don't know if I will like cata hpriest, but its good to know it stays a more difficult spec.
Disc and holy needs to be switched in that video. Disc is easy to get into but insanely hard to master in cata and MoP. Holy is just plain simple and very very easy to play in cata
Is prot warrior not viable? I've got every class at 80 in Wrath; I want something that's a massive pain in the ass to play - unless it's simply not going to be allowed in raids.
one thing i've found is the sweaty neckbeards sound like ricky bobby, if you aint first you're last. you wind up hearing "OMG it's the worst tank you should never have these" and while they might honestly be the worst tank, it doesn't mean they can't work inside of raids. for example if you look at the dps lists there is a clear winner and loser, but 90% of the specs are within a couple of % of each other with like 1-2 stand outs at top and 1-2 at the bottom. but even the bottom ones aren't even below 85% ish of the average. you asked the right question and made the right comment. is it viable (probably yes, blizzard had class balance pretty well by cata, wrath honestly). is it going to be allowed? mostly likely will be allowed by anyone w/o the ricky bobby attitude. we've got one in our guild who's going to run a prot warrior and our healers (some of whom play on pservers) are cheering him on.
Dude ...I m playing prot warior in wrath. No macro or keybindings. I have engineering for the explosives to have options to build threat. It is challenging. U don't believe, try Halls of Reflection with a dps team ( dk pala fire mage). Actually ... do gamma. It s hard
i just found your stuff today and i love it. as someone who mained an elemental shaman from cata through draenor, i had no idea you all were doing the snapshot with a weak aura, or is that something new since original cata? I would move ele down one step though, my friend have some specs we call 80/20 specs. stupidly easy, any idiot could get the 80, but it takes some decent effort to get that last 20. demon hunter from legion was another one. he watched me do that one and was like "you're playing the easiest class" (same comment he made for elemental) and i told him to pick one up (i actually made a fresh DH with him on another server) and he found out that as easy as it is to start, there was a decent gap between me and him even in the same gear. that's when we started calling some specs 80/20s. based on your comment alone about "me playing an ele is far different than a beginner" i'd imagine you feel it's easier than it is from love and experience. i'm already prepping to re-main my shaman in cata and it's going to be fucking awesome!!! glad i found another ele shammy fan
BDK is definitely one of the hardest specs in Cata. You mentioned Prot Pala having many cooldowns, but in reality BDK has almost twice as many cooldowns. As a BDK you have to time your Death Strikes very well (which is a part of your rotation) while doing the Prot Pala rotation has nothing to do with your active mitigation. Every healer (except Holy Priest) should be moved a tier down. Playing a healer in itself is way way more difficult than playing any dps spec.
dont have to time your deathstrikes 100% since the mastery gives a shield for any above max hp so generally dont need to think heaps of it outside of inc dmg/threat ratio
I play all of the tanks. The most chill tank= Feral Then a long time nothing until we get to pally and warrior. Bdk is the hardest of all. I mean it's just simple to play but from all of them a bit harder. Tanking is the most chill class. Just get good gear and watch your cd's in raids/dungeons. I also play heal. So i have favorite tanks to heal. Just feral. Up to 50% avoidance halfus hc 😂 It's just crazy. No bdk can get do less dmg(with all that selfheal) than the bear. Bdk nr2 and then pally/warri.
Man I agree with your assessment of difficulty in playstyle but tanking to me is by far the most stressful. I MT progged for our guild in t11 and I have never had so many oh shit sinking feeling moments and heart pounders. When I play alt healers or ele dps I have trouble staying awake lol
You can`t put Arcane in "easy" because he has to plan his dmg windows, cos if you just rotate and start your dmg part when you need to run around, you`re screwed. Where other classes can just adapt to boss mechanics timings, Arcane must know exactly, when they happen and plan forward. I played Firelands as Arcane back then and I managed to practice every fight to 0 movement. Every time I had to move, I had blink up and I knew exactly the place where to blink, so I`ll be safe for sure. It isn`t "ezpz" )
as someone who has never played cata before, how interesting/difficult is tanking for both raiding and dungeons? from what i can gather people seem to really enjoy tanking dungeons at the start of the expansion, but i'm curious as to whether or not tanking remains that engaging for the entire expansion, for both dungeon and raid content.
Threat is mostly voided in Cata, which is great, dungeons you're basically a glorified dps with Vengeance, in raids theres a lot of responsibility as always on the tanks.
Dungeons are hard with rdf still likely because wotlk proved people are still bad. If they keep same difficulty if you get certain comps dungeons will be harder or easier based on what cc your group gets
Tanking in cata is main character energy. It’s slightly less fun when you’re geared but you have so much control. On something like a prot pally, you will putdamage even good dps players on aoe pulls, have sufficient self heals if your healers are sleeping and have cooldowns to soften every single heavy blow depending on how scary a hit is. A very well played tank can tank raids in green gear. A very well played tank in bis gear is godmode. You can chainpull like a madman and blast through heroic dungeons in a hot minute with an alright group.
Well if we talk average sub rogue is literaly the only hard spec. If we talk about minmaxing, then unholy, demonology and boomie should be in yellow tier, they are pretty hard to minmax. Also, shadow priest is simply easier to play than destro lock, that is a fact, and survival is easy peasy.
Enhancement is hard in Wrath because the mechanics that made it hard is completely unintended by Blizzard. Cata specs for the most part just take the gameplay loop from Wrath and smooth it out, removing the vanilla clunkiness feel (as well as add some extra buttons), but that clunkiness and hole in design is why Enhance has room to be optimized like that. 3.3.5 talent DW Unholy is similar.
Putting Bear in easypeasy and cat in moderatly difficult is a bit weird. If you stay in bear 100% of the fight then sure but this is like never the case except morchok or MT. If you play bear and you cant play cat then you are kinda useless.
Yeah, true, but im sure some people will, its meant to be a generalised tier list that hopefully helps inform but isnt there to make peoples decisions :)
Unholy isn't really hard to play, like any other specs it's priority based. Macro claw with all your main moves. Learn how to snapshot gargoyle. Pretty face roll after that
@@Anima18911 Notice I said "one of the hardest specs to play". I didn't say it was absurdly difficult to play in general. But compared to the other specs in this iteration of the game, it requires more effort than most.
@@mijae1146 senpai noticed me 😊 So when you say Prot is more difficult to play compared to other tanks, is it still relatively similar to Wrath playstyle?
The biggest different is Vigilance, it turns prot in to a decent Offtank but not a strong main tank, you will maintain a lot of damage by being offtank, and just tanking whenever you have CDs up, but as a main tank you'll get clapped@@ujustgotpwnd3454
Just ignore everything this guy says about prot warrior. It's even easier than wrath and takes the least physical damage of any tank. Prot warriors can trivialize mechanics like Heroic Chimearon with just shield block. Just because this guy remembers something being bad doesn't mean it was or that he had ever been around a good one to even know.
It’s kind of the opposite. On private server and in classic if they start in the last patch you cannot get CTC capped early. Because of mastery scaling. In cata I was ctc capped in T11 it was pretty easy on pal and warriors really. I used double prot pal for full t11 heroic raid clears and used warriors later when I recruited one. I generally wanted a ctc tank and a Druid ot. I had a blood mt towards the end of dragon soul because I stopped tanking and it didn’t matter. Long story short in real cata ctc tanks were king in cata fan fiction like private servers and in classic it will be very different and I’m not looking forward to it:
so imo elem and bear are like smash you head on keyboard and seen be other playerin group how you perform they'll say you did good job in this dung/raid :P
Dude saying fury easy peasy, just use Bloodthirst and Heroic Strike :D Sure what about Revenge timed window oportunities, Collosus smash as a pre-rotation must useability, track Enrage, Track Proc Slam :D I love these experts. -__-''
Well considering fury doesn’t have colossus smash. Nor do they use revenge , since that’s for prot . Plus you can’t even spell colossus correctly. What a expert you are 😂
Hahaha seems like you never played fury dude 😅😅😅😅 big lol So yes i still call my self ceriftified expert about fury warrior. Go and learn something on google before you open mouth so you dont shame your self. 😅@@namekapologize7775
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Hey Mijae. Having experienced the likes of Sindragosa and Blood council. One of the things I would be interested in is who does raids favor? ICC has quite a few mechanics for ranged to deal with where melee can more or less ignore it, what does cata bring us ? Who gets fucked over? Thanks :) @Mijae
I would say that Holy Priest is easy to play and perform well if you're looking at the spec as a whole. The chakra system make it even easier, but to fully master it can be a little more difficult.
Could you go a bit more in-depth about ret pally? I'd really appreciate it, because I can't figure out why it's supposed to be difficult or anywhere near "hardest spec to play in the game".
Thanks, good sir.
Pally is easy.
Exactly my thoughts. You have one "dot" that you need to refresh every 30 seconds or so.
Start fight with Guardian, build 3 holy power to pop zealotry, wings and inquisition in one go with trinks.
And then its just build 3, spend 3. Crusader is prio always --> then if exorcism proc ----> then judgement and if all these are on cd you hunt for procs with divine wrath and conc.
Cool list and video.
Is being ontop of their game letting the raid die without using Tranquility as a Moonkin? Or not swapping to bear to save a fight as kitty. This type of stuff is so hard to factor in
As a DPS, I want the RAID to succeed, even if I give up 5% DPS, it will rarely make me top DPS, and I never play pure DPS classes. Always hybrids
i don't agree on the fire mage at all, in which i belive is significant harder to play than a frost mage. allso agree on the prot warrior vs the paladin. on the paladin you have quite bit of time and dont have to stress, wile on the prot warrior to play it properly you constantly smashing buttons at a high rate to try spend your rage properly, and use the defensives on correct times. i find the prot warrior to be more funn to play, but allso alot more mentaly exhausting, so cant do too many dungeons in a row with it
Frost mage is hella easy, just hit frostbolt until spell procs.
I would argue Ret and Boomie are a bit more difficult than where they were placed, simply because that last bit of min maxing 1) takes planning (ESPECIALLY with Boomie), 2) much is tied up in utility that most DPS tend to ignore (you have to watch health bars), and 3) is exponentially more difficult for that last bit of value.
Thank you very much for this video!
Arcane mage is always dogged on for being "easy" but it's really not. Yes the rotation is simple but the spec isn't about the rotation it's about the resource management and understanding the fight you're in. You can absolutely arcane blast x4 missiles x1 and that's it but if you want to parse above a 70 or 80 a lot more goes into it
I don't get how Demo Lock is "average". Their rotation is kind of nuts if you are doing it "correctly".
The UH Dk is actually not that easy to play. Mastering the dark transformation cooldown, timing it well, managing runes and deathcoils in order to keep the transformation runing asap is not an easy thing to do
Yeah, its quite simple to play to like 80-85 parses, but harder to master!
@victordetollenaere1234 Unholy death knight is the easiest version of death knight to play and the worst version in cata
@@kance111 I couldn't agree less...
Is it true that Enhancement is easier in Cataclysm than WOTLK? I liked my enhancement shaman throughout Wrath I just hate that by ICC the minmaxing and great play doesn't convert into great damage, which in turn obviously is slightly demotivating when you have much easier classes/specs get fed gear just because they simply scale better, not necessarily the players are better, but raw damage is raw damage. I am considering going for a ranged class like fire mage or survival hunter in Cataclysm but I think I will still try to main enh shaman at least for the first phase, maybe even build an elemental off-spec (never really played elemental, but hilariously also a simpler and better scaling spec than enh in ICC). My other worry is that because of Time warp, as well as more classes having enhance shaman utility, I will have to sit out raids and will definiely not be prio'd in main prog groups.
Enhance in Cata is easier than WotLK thats for sure.
Enhance unfortunatley is just not a good damage spec for the entirety of Cata either. It has niche moments of doing well in Sustained AoE but it just doesnt have the numbers to compete ST on most fights
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I main enh in cata many years and in arena they are amazing, pvp is great for them, but in PvE, average at best if you are skilled.
Are prot warrior and prot pally hard to play or just bad, thus hard to get good results?
dk has so many things to keep track of.
3 sets of runes
RP
healing yourself
maintain ds absorb shield
pally has a basic rotation that can be used for aoe and single target?
Its more because of the scaling right, So DK has a lot to manage to play it to 100%, but to play it to like 85% is quite simple.
Prot Warrior has to maximise CD uptime or they will get slaughtered until they get avoidance cap.
Prot Pala is definatley easier to play to 100% than DK, but harder to play to the 85% marker
Easiest to play is BDK > Feral > Pally > Warrior.
Spam deathstrike heartstrike runestrike. Def CD when needed, bloodtap, eat ghouls, keep debuff up always, spread with outbreak, thats it
@@scubbaablocksas a main healer in cata there is a very noticable different betweek a BDK that just hits Death Strike and a BDK that knows when to hit Death Strike. I know its hard to imagine but most any healer knows exactly what I'm talking about.
Combat is deceptively kind of a pain in the ass to play. Bandit's Guile maximizing, when to Rupture and when not to Rupture while keeping up SnD. Sub is definitely harder though
imo druid is all ezpz, but Im a druid main, so my guess is thats how all mains feel about thier spec?
Oh 100%, ive tried to be reasonably fair, but some classes and specs just click right?
Like sub is just a spec that doesnt make sense to me, but is easy for others
Been playing druid for over 15 years now. Looking back on cata, I'd say bear is correctly placed if all it is doing is main tanking, however most of the time bear is an offtank which mean a good portion of the fight you will be in cat pumping the numbers. between cat and boomy I would swap their places, cat is considerably easier to play efficently compaired to boomy. Boomy you can play at a low tier level and stay near last on the meters without thinking much about the rotation and just simply trying to manage eclipse states, but if you want to be on the higher side of the meters a LOT goes into boomy. you have to squeeze everything you can out of it to be competative and that requires knowing all the fights, correct snap shotting, actively counting casts due to wrath hangtime and not wasting a cast in eclipse state, etc.
Is this more for pve or pvp?
not understanding why Survival hunter is average instead of easy peasy survival is just as easy if not easier than marks...
Only thing I disagree with is Disc being easy. Their heals outside atonement aren't that strong, you have to know how to set up spells for incoming damage, and managing Rapture procs so you don't go oom. Yes bubbling then atoning is easy, but theres more to it than that and if thats all you do then youll definitely hear about it.
I have a question, I'm pretty new and looking for what class I want to play but struggling to find what to do as I don't know what each has to offer.
My favorite things in Mmo's are Melee combat, High Mobility, Damage over time damage, and brawler style combat. (Don't like stun-locking people)
Do you have any recommendations for classes based off of that? (I'm mainly a pvp player but I will be raiding)
I would suggest rogue, warrior or feral. They're all going to be really strong throughout the whole expansion.
@@ahetzel9054 Thank you :)
If you like PvP more than PvE, then enh shaman is for you they are amazing in arena (and battlegrounds ofc), only diff from what you said, enh sham is high burst damage. But if you like PvE more enh shaman is at best average.
I am currently playing Holy Priest in wrath because I think that the other healers are a bit too simple and I want a challenge. With it being the off meta pick for wotlk I feel like I have to work very hard to be on par with the other healers and I like that. I don't know if I will like cata hpriest, but its good to know it stays a more difficult spec.
Disc and holy needs to be switched in that video.
Disc is easy to get into but insanely hard to master in cata and MoP.
Holy is just plain simple and very very easy to play in cata
Is prot warrior not viable? I've got every class at 80 in Wrath; I want something that's a massive pain in the ass to play - unless it's simply not going to be allowed in raids.
squishy af until firelands cause they dont reach mitigation cap like the other tanks do. Best tank for 5man tho
one thing i've found is the sweaty neckbeards sound like ricky bobby, if you aint first you're last. you wind up hearing "OMG it's the worst tank you should never have these" and while they might honestly be the worst tank, it doesn't mean they can't work inside of raids. for example if you look at the dps lists there is a clear winner and loser, but 90% of the specs are within a couple of % of each other with like 1-2 stand outs at top and 1-2 at the bottom. but even the bottom ones aren't even below 85% ish of the average.
you asked the right question and made the right comment. is it viable (probably yes, blizzard had class balance pretty well by cata, wrath honestly). is it going to be allowed? mostly likely will be allowed by anyone w/o the ricky bobby attitude. we've got one in our guild who's going to run a prot warrior and our healers (some of whom play on pservers) are cheering him on.
Dude ...I m playing prot warior in wrath. No macro or keybindings. I have engineering for the explosives to have options to build threat. It is challenging. U don't believe, try Halls of Reflection with a dps team ( dk pala fire mage). Actually ... do gamma. It s hard
@@damian1standup Not that hard. I have every class at 80, prot warrior is one of them.
i just found your stuff today and i love it. as someone who mained an elemental shaman from cata through draenor, i had no idea you all were doing the snapshot with a weak aura, or is that something new since original cata?
I would move ele down one step though, my friend have some specs we call 80/20 specs. stupidly easy, any idiot could get the 80, but it takes some decent effort to get that last 20. demon hunter from legion was another one. he watched me do that one and was like "you're playing the easiest class" (same comment he made for elemental) and i told him to pick one up (i actually made a fresh DH with him on another server) and he found out that as easy as it is to start, there was a decent gap between me and him even in the same gear. that's when we started calling some specs 80/20s.
based on your comment alone about "me playing an ele is far different than a beginner" i'd imagine you feel it's easier than it is from love and experience. i'm already prepping to re-main my shaman in cata and it's going to be fucking awesome!!! glad i found another ele shammy fan
Ele sham is just the best
Sub feels similar to pre glyph buff feral druid in wrath. Juggling various cp spender buffs feels a lot like juggling rip and roar.
BDK is definitely one of the hardest specs in Cata. You mentioned Prot Pala having many cooldowns, but in reality BDK has almost twice as many cooldowns. As a BDK you have to time your Death Strikes very well (which is a part of your rotation) while doing the Prot Pala rotation has nothing to do with your active mitigation.
Every healer (except Holy Priest) should be moved a tier down. Playing a healer in itself is way way more difficult than playing any dps spec.
dont have to time your deathstrikes 100% since the mastery gives a shield for any above max hp so generally dont need to think heaps of it outside of inc dmg/threat ratio
UH DK easy peasy, good list!
I play all of the tanks.
The most chill tank= Feral
Then a long time nothing until we get to pally and warrior.
Bdk is the hardest of all.
I mean it's just simple to play but from all of them a bit harder.
Tanking is the most chill class. Just get good gear and watch your cd's in raids/dungeons.
I also play heal.
So i have favorite tanks to heal.
Just feral.
Up to 50% avoidance halfus hc 😂
It's just crazy.
No bdk can get do less dmg(with all that selfheal) than the bear.
Bdk nr2 and then pally/warri.
Man I agree with your assessment of difficulty in playstyle but tanking to me is by far the most stressful. I MT progged for our guild in t11 and I have never had so many oh shit sinking feeling moments and heart pounders. When I play alt healers or ele dps I have trouble staying awake lol
You can`t put Arcane in "easy" because he has to plan his dmg windows, cos if you just rotate and start your dmg part when you need to run around, you`re screwed. Where other classes can just adapt to boss mechanics timings, Arcane must know exactly, when they happen and plan forward. I played Firelands as Arcane back then and I managed to practice every fight to 0 movement. Every time I had to move, I had blink up and I knew exactly the place where to blink, so I`ll be safe for sure. It isn`t "ezpz" )
It’s way easier than most classes lol
as someone who has never played cata before, how interesting/difficult is tanking for both raiding and dungeons? from what i can gather people seem to really enjoy tanking dungeons at the start of the expansion, but i'm curious as to whether or not tanking remains that engaging for the entire expansion, for both dungeon and raid content.
Threat is mostly voided in Cata, which is great, dungeons you're basically a glorified dps with Vengeance, in raids theres a lot of responsibility as always on the tanks.
Dungeons are hard with rdf still likely because wotlk proved people are still bad. If they keep same difficulty if you get certain comps dungeons will be harder or easier based on what cc your group gets
Tanking in cata is main character energy. It’s slightly less fun when you’re geared but you have so much control.
On something like a prot pally, you will putdamage even good dps players on aoe pulls, have sufficient self heals if your healers are sleeping and have cooldowns to soften every single heavy blow depending on how scary a hit is.
A very well played tank can tank raids in green gear.
A very well played tank in bis gear is godmode.
You can chainpull like a madman and blast through heroic dungeons in a hot minute with an alright group.
I love it being described as main character energy haha!@@sasukefaan
Well if we talk average sub rogue is literaly the only hard spec. If we talk about minmaxing, then unholy, demonology and boomie should be in yellow tier, they are pretty hard to minmax. Also, shadow priest is simply easier to play than destro lock, that is a fact, and survival is easy peasy.
It's interesting how enhance is average difficulty in cata but people say its one of the hardest in wotlk
Theres a lot more that goes in to your bleeds in Wrath compared to cata. If i can play it anyone can heh
@@mijae1146 Sorry I meant to say enhance
@@nathancasey7712 Its similar actually, just because Enhance in Cata has a lot less to worry about in terms of uptime management
Enhancement is hard in Wrath because the mechanics that made it hard is completely unintended by Blizzard. Cata specs for the most part just take the gameplay loop from Wrath and smooth it out, removing the vanilla clunkiness feel (as well as add some extra buttons), but that clunkiness and hole in design is why Enhance has room to be optimized like that. 3.3.5 talent DW Unholy is similar.
Putting demo and destro at the same level is crazy
Nice list! Pending between Ele and Boomkin for my char on cata...
Ele BIS!
Same!
Hpala is by far the hardest heal to master,due meele reg and skillcap
How is this list related to raiding?
pally is not hard at all lmao
im playing a blood dk and stacking mastery
Looks like im going fury lol 😊 again
Putting Bear in easypeasy and cat in moderatly difficult is a bit weird. If you stay in bear 100% of the fight then sure but this is like never the case except morchok or MT. If you play bear and you cant play cat then you are kinda useless.
Yeah, true, but im sure some people will, its meant to be a generalised tier list that hopefully helps inform but isnt there to make peoples decisions :)
If unholy is similar to how it is in Wrath, it will definitely be one of the hardest specs to play.
Are you braindead who thinks unholys hard
Its not
Unholy isn't really hard to play, like any other specs it's priority based. Macro claw with all your main moves. Learn how to snapshot gargoyle. Pretty face roll after that
@@Anima18911 Notice I said "one of the hardest specs to play". I didn't say it was absurdly difficult to play in general. But compared to the other specs in this iteration of the game, it requires more effort than most.
If I remember correctly, no one plays unholy in cata, just frost. -EDIT: BETA IS OPEN, don’t comment arguing your opinion vs facts. Thank you
I think blood Dk is the easiest class in the entire game
definetly a pve list^^
destro is easily the hardest spec of wlocks, you obvi dont know abt cata destro brother
Cries in Prot Woyer 😭
Sadge
@@mijae1146 senpai noticed me 😊 So when you say Prot is more difficult to play compared to other tanks, is it still relatively similar to Wrath playstyle?
The biggest different is Vigilance, it turns prot in to a decent Offtank but not a strong main tank, you will maintain a lot of damage by being offtank, and just tanking whenever you have CDs up, but as a main tank you'll get clapped@@ujustgotpwnd3454
Just ignore everything this guy says about prot warrior. It's even easier than wrath and takes the least physical damage of any tank. Prot warriors can trivialize mechanics like Heroic Chimearon with just shield block. Just because this guy remembers something being bad doesn't mean it was or that he had ever been around a good one to even know.
It’s kind of the opposite. On private server and in classic if they start in the last patch you cannot get CTC capped early. Because of mastery scaling. In cata I was ctc capped in T11 it was pretty easy on pal and warriors really. I used double prot pal for full t11 heroic raid clears and used warriors later when I recruited one. I generally wanted a ctc tank and a Druid ot. I had a blood mt towards the end of dragon soul because I stopped tanking and it didn’t matter. Long story short in real cata ctc tanks were king in cata fan fiction like private servers and in classic it will be very different and I’m not looking forward to it:
so imo elem and bear are like smash you head on keyboard and seen be other playerin group how you perform they'll say you did good job in this dung/raid :P
Nah, the moment I saw fire and arcane mages sorted as easy with frost mages, this ranking lost ALL of its validity for me 😂
Unholy dk -> Easy Peasy
explain the rotation in depth if its ez pz
I concur
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Dude saying fury easy peasy, just use Bloodthirst and Heroic Strike :D Sure what about Revenge timed window oportunities, Collosus smash as a pre-rotation must useability, track Enrage, Track Proc Slam :D I love these experts. -__-''
Well considering fury doesn’t have colossus smash. Nor do they use revenge , since that’s for prot . Plus you can’t even spell colossus correctly. What a expert you are 😂
Hahaha seems like you never played fury dude 😅😅😅😅 big lol So yes i still call my self ceriftified expert about fury warrior. Go and learn something on google before you open mouth so you dont shame your self. 😅@@namekapologize7775
But yeah i ment raging blow besides of fact fury still have and can use revenge you still wrong. 🤏
Bro put assa as harder than fury 🤡
Assa just isnt difficult
You dont know what your talking about😂 unholy dk is the hardest spec to max