The Hillsville Massacre of 1912.
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- The frontier culture meets civilization in rural Virginia. In 1912, a misplaced kiss set off a string of events that pitted a powerful frontier clan against their political rivals and concepts of modern justice. The events that followed, the Hillsville Massacre or the Courthouse Tragedy, shocked and captivated the nation.
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My greatgrandfather was a Hillsville deputy at this, he rode in the posse that pursued the Allens. This is a great concise telling of the events, thanks!
Like the Mafia hunters of today - He must have been a brave man.
What was so great about him?
Well it was self defense and your great grandfather was a pig and a criminal.
@@20alphabetmuch that you’d never understand
This what happens, when people dont stand up to bullies. They only get bolder until their acts are too outrageous to ignore.
Even worse if our government and society Erace history and forget don’t remember we are destined to repeat it again how retarded is that
As in Donald John Trump
@@kathygoheen4626 as in the BLM and Antifa thugs and the Democrats who support them.
@@bravobravoh1344 obviously you are not paying attention. Using aviation/military call signals as your handle makes you feel tough, sad.
@@kathygoheen4626 Whoa!!! You attack them just because they said something different than you? Something on target? Something they are welcome to say and if they are an American have a blood bought right to say? (As do you, of course in your first post) Who is President Trump out shooting? What businesses is President Trump burning down? What stores is President Trump looting?
This video is about bullies, about people that break laws, so BravoVictorDelta is attacked for pointing out a lawless crew as does this video. And do you know what? Their very handle may be a clue that they served the USA in uniform so you could have the right to attack a President that has nothing to do with this story, divert the conversation from what the 2 posters above you slanderous post were talking about. Yes!! They may well have served to give you that very right!
How do you thank them? Hope you feel tough, sad.
I lived in the town where the two brothers fled to in North Carolina for 25 years, and went on well over a dozen trips to Hillsville over that time. It's a testament to how forgotten this story is, by the fact I'd never heard of it until watching this video.
On a more pleasant note, Carroll County, Virginia has some amazing scenery, features a portion of the Blue Ridge Parkway, and grows the best apples I've ever eaten in my entire life.
"The average man will bristle if you say his father was dishonest, but he will brag a little if he discovers that his great-grandfather was a pirate" - Bernard Williams
@Unkraut60 It might actually be more pathetic that that is the only reason he's in office.
@kev googlestein He wishes. Trump's grampies were just pimps and draft dodgers. It is documented.
Your post is OFF TOPIC. Save ALL the current political bullshit for Facebook.
It does not belong polluting the History Guy's content.
You know this so take that teentard trolling bullshit elsewhere. I don't even like the guy but unlike yourself I know what belongs in what parts of the internet. Defecating that silly trolling garbage into TH-cam channels intended for intelligent discussion is RUDE AND WRONG AND YOU KNEW THIS BUT JUST HAD TO DO IT ANYWAY. Grow the fuck up or go post on 4chan.
@kev googlestein better than your bitch ass country
A pirate is a murderer especially during those times. Nothing to brag about. Lots to atone for.
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Then they got bought by some massive corporation and they're not worth watching anymore
Follow the money, said a great if anonymous, until recently, historical figure.
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What happened to the History channel ?
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If you, sir, were my college history professor, I - and I suspect many others - would have fought through any nasty weather (or hangover...) just to hear your insight.
Thank you for your channel.
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Same. The only class I never missed was an American Government class because it was entertaining and educational.
Hindsight is wonderful for those who search for excuses for their failings.
My dad always said that history was stranger than fiction. Great episode!
This is just a general commentary on all the videos of yours that I've watched so far, but you really make me miss the History Channel from back before it became reality TV and alien conspiracies.
I still don’t understand why the History Channel decided to abandon wonderful history programs. Most people would agree that it wasn’t profitable, but I even tried paying for their app for better content. Unfortunately, I was deeply disappointed.
The first disaster struck when the History channel turned into the wW II obsessed Hitlery Channel... then insult joined injury and Hitlery channel became the Hysteria channel..
And I'm scared to imagine, what the fourth incarnation might be like that undoubtedly will some day be upon us... Maybe a Heisty channel? Or a hilarity channel? :-p
@@GMAMEC I seem to remember that it had something to do with a writer's strike some years ago . I don't remember when.
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I was very surprised to see this story. I'm a native, not just of Carroll County, but Hillsville, and a distant decedent of the Allens. The Sydney Allen shootout is a story everyone hears at some point. Most of our county events are held on Main Street, in front of the courthouse where the holes are still visible. This was a fantastic summary, well made, and historically as accurate as possible. Tha k you for telling it!
I was so amazed to see this entry. My family has lived in Wythe County (next door to Carroll County) since the earth was cooling. My aunt, who was born in 1904, remembered when this happened and a man came rushing in to tell them that “The Allen’s had shot up the Carroll County courthouse!” I even got to read a contemporary news article about it, but you had more information. Thank you! I love this series.
I don't know why youtube told me to watch this, but glad I did. Amazing story telling and editing.
I lived in Fries , Virginia for many years and the Allen clan was one the first history lessons I learned about the area when I moved there .
My father's family are from an area near Hillsview and as a kid I visited the courthouse where this occurred I still have the book i got from there that tells the story of the massacre. I always view it as local history, so I was stunned to see it featured here. Thanks you for bringing this to the attention of a new generation and for teaching me more about my local history than I knew.
I live in Carroll County, VA and the court house and Allen house are still standing and very much monuments to this day. They represent a horrible past but a history no less.
Ever been to the museum at the courthouse?
o2tank 04 perhaps horrible events are represented, but as stated in the video, it’s representative of the changing times. An era and paradigm shift in the publics frontier mentality in that place at that time. Looking back we are often highly sensitive to certain issues because of our political climate, but the people living then were more akin to war hardened soldiers who get in fist fights for the sheer joy of it. I love the history of your area and county as colorful as it is.
Have you seen the bullet holes?
@@sebione3576 I can show you two in the stairs on the right.
Thank you for this vid.
I remember my daddy telling me this story when I was small. We were on a family vacation, passing through the area and drove by a house of one of the actors in this tale. I sat in the back seat enthralled by his storytelling. If I remember correctly, I think there had been a family member of ours present at the courthouse that day, so not only was it a historical footnote, but a family story as well.
It was a gift that I grew up with elderly grandparents from Ashe County, NC. My grandfather was born in 1886 and he loved telling his stories. I know that I am likely the last member of my family who will care about the past. It is sad.
You probably drove by the house of Sidna Allen.
@@hot88s23 I don't know, I only remember that it kind of sat on a bit of a rise sort of by itself. Big ol' Victorian looking place in not so great shape. Of course that was about 65 years ago so my memory isn't what it used to be.
@@jaguarsky55 Your memory is pretty accurate. They're trying to restore it now.
@@hot88s23 I'm really happy to hear that. I hate that so many of those old places go to seed. It always breaks my heart.
You know it’s not easy to find relevant images to place on your timeline. But what I really appreciate about your work versus other story tellers is that you don’t grab a bunch of stock photos from shutterstock that have nothing to do with the story just to fill it out. No dogs playing poker or still frames from Western movies. And your stories are well written and interesting!
My great-great grandfather, Peter Scott was one of the two deputies sent to NC to retrieve the Allen boys. The story has changed hands many times in a 100 years but the account given here is pretty good. Hard to believe that so many guns were allowed into the courthouse.
We should do it today. You know... second amendment. ^^
So very true. People could carry there guns into court a long time before this @@boboutelama5748
Would you want to be on the jury of a gang member?
david perry I’m glad your great great grandpa wasn’t harmed.
2nd amendment
Just discovered your channel. That was fascinating. It was also well told and well illustrated.
Is this for real? You are hands down the best gun channel! The fact you watch The History Guy brings me great joy.
And unlike a lot of channels, Mr. History Guy never rely on irrelevant stock videos. He is like a great high school history teacher, whom's history telling in class even the worst and rowdiest students perk up their ears and listen.
I grew up in the Hillsville area back in the 50's thru a good portion of the 70's. I remember hearing a lot of what was discussed in this video in private conversations among family and friends since the wounds had not healed completely during this time. I left the area in the late 70's and haven't lived there since. So I'm not exactly sure how the people in the area feel about this event today. Thanks for the video!!
I finally got around to watching this episode. Every one of your "snippets of forgotten history" are just pure gold.
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I enjoyed Paul Harvey, irreplaceable.
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I have studied history for 55 years and you are the best narrator and story teller ever. What a great story.
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Completely unknown to me. Interesting. Rabid self interest, fierce family loyalty, violence, intimidation, corruption of officials - the usual modus operandi of thugs throughout history.
MrPoupard Not much different than most mafia factions and similar wannabe thug families.
Like Trump and his cronies! History repeats itself, but at a more dangerous level. Thank you for sharing!
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I don't think there was a whole lot of family loyalty involved. After all, they were always shooting each other!!!!
Thank you so much for your videos!!!
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I have worked on an MA in History, now working on my Ph.D, in Physics. You are a tremendous teacher, and I do take mental notes. Some topics ara a bit esoteric for me, but your presentation is warm, friendly, and most importantly, informative. Well done.
Please don't ever stop what your doing here! Superb and wonderful.
Thank you.
Im a Hillsville resident . My husband is working on the renovation of the Allen House !! Moldovan Masonry 😀
Doing a great job I may say being from Chicago moving here ..the culture here is soo Deep in history an seeing the court house in hillsville im in galax now with my wife an love the stories just like Chicago an to have a grandpa who was a police officer an busted BIG AL'S HIDE OUTS SEEMS TO MAKE MY LIFE COMPLETE HERE WITH HISTORY 👍👍
its a beautiful House. My great grandpa Tate hid them in NC granny Ollie fed them. Its still a big battle.
Cool history love the flea market!
Brittany Moldovan that’s my moms side
Mechell Turner I love this story! I wish we could go back in time. These men are legends. Never submit to the law! A lot of outlaws lived ethically but not lawfully. There is a big difference!
Thank you for your uploads. We learn so much thanks to you. Be blessed.
Interesting ! I am related to the Allen clan and still learning the history of the Stewarts , Allens , etc. Thanks for another great history lesson !
Thank you for doing this one, and so quickly!
In the 80s my father was friends with a boy who's family owned the Allen House. They would use it to have house parties. They are renovating the house now. The house is too gorgeous and has a lot of history to be deteriorating.
As far as i know victor allen owns the Allens house, hes no boy not even 8n the 80s
i so enjoy your clips of history! it seems to fit you very well! looking forward to seeing more! THANK YOU.
So glad I came across this. Thoroughly enjoyable, well presented. Glad to join the group. Thanks for your excellent work.
As a fanatic history buff, I love your channel. Your presentation is world class. Thank you for what you do.
This is indeed a very important part of American History. This story should not be shoved in a box and forgotten. Thank you for the upload.
You do a fantastic job with history sir. I watched Soapy and the 1912 massacre. I am now on a mission to watch all of your history pieces. Fantastic channel.
This was the most amazing narration of a historical event I have come across. Thanks.
You ALWAYS have such good videos. Thank you for your hard work! 🍺😎👍
2 fun facts: First off this is still a contentious subject in Carrol County and descendants of the Allen family will still argue about what happened. Secondly, the detective agency employed by the state of Virginia were from the Baldwin-Felts Detective agency, the same agency that eight years later was involved in the Matewan Massacre. This incident led to the Battle of Blair Mountain, the largest labor uprising in the US.
The Baldwin-Felts detective agency got their clocks rightfully cleaned in Matewan.
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Klaus S Had to read Tuchman’s “A Distant Mirror” for my senior seminar for my History Degree. Started using Sire de Coucy as a handle afterwards because it was easy to remember.
I'd bet that the Allen's are republicans, now.
The Matewan masscre would be a nice one to cover as well, The sheriff in that story, was a cousin of the branch of the feuding Hatfields
What's an amazing selection for today. Thank you.
I have always enjoyed your short videos and this one is one of your best! The photos were outstanding and the script so well written, I felt connected with the individuals they came back to life!
My Grandfather got arrested for "Transporting and Abetting" in Carrol County. Everyone carried a .32. I have my Grandfathers and Grandmothers .32.
My mother was born there she's 103 this year 2020.
Awesome, God bless her
I live in hillsville VA! Pretty dope we are getting noticed on TH-cam
Another fascinating look at lost history. Thank you so much.
Amazing! Thank you for this bit of history.
I'll give it another view. I really do appreciate the work you put into these videos. Thanks. *:)*
Why was it reuploaded? Share the secrets :)
Because he made a Titanic mistake. Wrong date of sinking.
What a tragic error! The History Guy, we implore you to throttle down your upload speeds so you can catch such obstacles in time. ;-)
Did the corn husk have the appearance of genitalia? Was that why it was taken down? Details, please. It's for a report.
I'm from Carroll county. The courthouse and the Allen home we're on our field trip list in grade school. The Allen home is a tourist attraction and has several hidden rooms and dumbweighters. Great video thanks for helping the world see our little peice of history..
I love these history stories and you deliver them so well! Thank you!
Your videos are most excellent! You have an interesting and captivating style of presentation. I always look forward to your presentations!!
There are still areas in this country that a name can be all the reason someone doesn't get charged/punished for something anyone else would surely be prosecuted.
If that name is Clinton.
Different areas, different names. Someones kid will drive drunk and cause property damage, but not get charged. Someone could beat the sh!t out of someone, but if they had the right name, it would be noted as "boys will be boys."
@@Raging S
Yeh, fuck due process. amirite?
@Raging S
Except Juanita Broderick told multiple people *at the time* who corroborate her story to this day. So no comparison at all. Unable to understand how evidence and due process work much?
Problem is, he was not under investigation for a crime, but for a life time appointment to a job that he is unlikely to ever be fired from. The question is did he lie under oath when he testified before the senate? Was there an actual investigation into the allegations? I doubt he could withstand the same investigations that the Clinton's have had to endure.
This video helped me realize that we have powerful families like the Allen's in every county in the country.
Mr. Smith goes to Washington, too.
@@m_pavia9456 what are you saying? It could be worse so forget about it? Why don't you stay on topic and discuss the problems IN the us instead of distracting? Who cares about the problems of people who lived 30 years ago 10000miles away? Why the whataboutery? Did your feelings get hurt?
Well my family isn't that powerful any more we branched of to become docters, healers, construction workers, automotive repairman, and even business men
@@m_pavia9456 Ultra Capitalists like Trump and the Koch Brothers are just as evil as any Communists.
There are still a lot of white settlers' descendents have attitude like the Allens. Most people don't know, Germans consist of the largest immigrant group of United States.
Excellent research and story telling. Thanks again!
Perfect length. Please keep up the good work! Informative and entertaining!
I just have to agree with your assessment of the perfect length. Philadelphia USA
My God , where were you when I was in school, learning history?? lol. I love everything to do with history. I just now found your channel, & Love it. just subbed.
"The warrant says you can enter; it doesn't say anything about you leaving."
Right or wrong, the man found the loophole.
But.......... a loophole punishable by death !
THESE ARE SOME GREAT HISTORIC VIDEOS - KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK - BRAVO!
Another great from this world class historian. The scope of topics is amazing!!
"this piece of paper entitles you to go in that wagon, but it doesn't say you're coming out"..... DUDE!!!!! That line right there..... I would just leave that man alone....
It's best to listen to a man who's been shot 13 times and live to tell about it lol
There are bull shit complete bollocks stories like that everywhere.
That’s when you arrest him on the spot for threatening an officer.
I would have shot Allen dead, right there where he stood - next to his wagon.
@@Jive33 yeah just like that arrest a guy who been in war countless gun fights and been shot 13 times. I bet he would make your head into a canoe
History Guy, bravo! Another excellent installment! My opinion is opposite of what I normally say: longer. While I normally say shorten your feature. In your case I would like to see some longer videos in addition to what you normally do. Keep doing these short ones but add a few longer ones. I hope you will consider this a critique...not a criticism. Thanks for your very good work!
I love watching your documentaries nothing like this is on TV. I've heard about this tragedy before. But your channel is the best.
This is fantastic, thank you for being so enthusiastic and interesting as you tell the story of forgotten history
My grandfarher was u.s. marshall in carroll county when this occured. My great uncle was a member of the juru. This account is rather accurate as I have always been told.
Your videos are just superb! Compliments and greetings from faraway India!
Feuding old time sociopaths. I have often wondered if sociopathy was a modern day tendency or when it became noticeable. I can see that in 1912 there were sociopaths roaming!
Your right. Sociopaths, Psychopaths, serial killers, serial rapists, etc can be traced back to the 9th.Century.
However, they used words like madness, maniacal and possession.
Though hard to find, there are manuscripts that speak of these hazards long before the words Psychiatric, etc came into existence.
Katherine Irving you forgot one other word, “Conquerer”.
@@drizler The definition of the word Conquerer is a double-edge sword. It can represent good or bad tendencies and mindset.
Forgot to add... Evil never conquers, it only silences.
@Henryk Gödel There have been a precious few good/honest Politicians over the centuries.
Unfortunately, they are usually forced out of politics or, end up dead from some strange/coincidental murder.
Sadly, the world needs politicians, it just sucks that 90% of them are crooked or become crooked.
Thanks for bringing back my passion and love for history. Your what the history channel use to be. You have a new subscriber.
Great job-please keep up the brilliant work! Thanks.
THG is my favorite TH-cam web site. I'm sure you do a lot of research to get accurate historical accounts, but sometimes things just get very murky, especially where war among blood clans is concerned. Keep up the Great Work!!! Looking forward to your next episode of 'The History Guy'.
Nothing good ever happens at a husking bee. Its like a Chuck-E-Cheese in the ghetto.
I don't have enough info on either to offer an opinion, but am very interested in hearing your theory as to why this is, if you would be so very kind as to offer it.
@Bill Wade Yep. I live in a pair of sister-cities. The larger one (mine) is predominantly ghettoville, though the city government is always launching largely unsuccessful projects to make it look more like the other one, which is a preppy college town. The preppy college town is the one with the Chuck-E-Cheese.
People are asking you to explain your statement.
@@stormytooman1947 people have no sense of humor 🙄
Thank you for sharing!
Great episode. Thank you
Holy cow! Great vlog as always! What was Al Capones motto, « A smile will sometimes get you what you want. A smile and a gun will always get what you want!» I am not sure it was like this word for word, but damn close anyway. Lol!
"It don't say nothin' 'bout you comin' out."
"Uh, Yeah. I don't see no moonshine. Have a good one Mr. Allen."
hahahaha
Badass!
I can just imagine that officer yelling "wagons clear!" Or looking down at the warrant " well, fuck, I guess it sure dont say I'll be coming out... move along."
How about a .38 special to the sternum and placing a shitty revolver in the hood's hand??
Im a pretty big fan of anything history, particularly American history, and this was a new one for me. I have so much to learn, this was a GREAT piece, my jaw was on the floor for most of it, thank you so much for sharing, Im a very big fan of the channel and its host!! Keep 'em coming, bravo!!! 👏👏👏
That was a very interesting piece of history. I hope you have lots more like this one. And I really like all the hats you have on tour wall. Those are very nice.
Love this video. Jack Allen is my 2x great grandfather.
Excellent telling of this history. It would’ve been icing on the cake if you had mentioned that a great grand nephew of Floyd Allen is the legendary retired Virginia Tech football Coach Frank Beamer.
Keep it up i enjoy your little snippets
A truly fascinating story! Thank you!
"Doesn't say nothing about you coming out of it"...CLASSIC!!!
Another first rate history lesson. Thank you!
Agreed!
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love history ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL Thank you so much for this channel
I absolutely love this channel! Bravo!
I’ll echo the sentiment regarding the “history channel”. What you’re doing is excellent, well done, and well presented. The “history channel” would do well to tell us history. Not ancient aliens or whatever malarkey they conjure up these days.
Great video as usual, do one on Rick Rescorla, his history definitely needs to be remembered, he's on the cover of the book "We were Soldiers once and young", he died in the South Tower on 9/11.
Well, after this interesting piece, you have earned yourself a new sub.. Keep up the great work brother.
Well done Sir! Anything that ignites the love of history I applaud!
Floyd Allen the 20th centurys "Devil Anse"Hatfield.
*I live 27 mi. from Hillsville, VA and never knew this.*
To not know about this and live just 27 miles away you must of had your head up your rear your intire live, no one could possibly be that stunned
@@ThePauliebuck I moved here in 2003. Also I'm a truck driver. I'm only home 2 days a week. When I'm home, I like to be home lol
All of your videos are fantastic sir.
Fascinating story!! Thank you, history guy.
Loved this story. I think there are still some remnants of that clanishness here in rural NC and rural Va.
Who is this man?he his brilliant thanks for one of the best history lesson have had since school....great video.....
Excellent, as always.
Loved it!!! So glad to have found you!
This is my hometown. I worked at Nuckolls Drug in front of the courthouse when I was in high school. We sold books about the tragedy.
I truly thank you so much for your podcast,, our last few Generations believe that history started with them
Everyone thinks that all the time.
Sadly, so very, very true!
Well they've definitely been brainwashed to believe it should be erased because it was just so awful. I don't think they even teach a factual American or World history anymore.
Great channel, great video,learn something new every time I watch.
Never heard of this outrage. Very interesting; thank you, Mr. History!