Its easy for us to get billed, taxed, assests forfeited, unjustly arrested, and have our rights violated. But difficult for us to correct these issues when they make a mistake.
@@Gangsta1168 To quote someone rather wise, "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice." Voting is a choice of the lesser evil. Not voting is lying back and waiting to be violated.
@@sudokode Nope. The 4th amendment is worded as it is precisely because the founders knew that congress would just write whatever laws it wanted to justify whatever searches they wanted. Hence it protects against UNREASONABLE searches. Which these are. Quit being a cuck for the government.
It's not even side stepping in this case, there were no constitutional arguments because they said it doesn't apply by declaration. What side stepping would be is if they defined electronic records as exclusively electronic and not "papers" to get around the security of "papers' part of "person, papers, and effects" of the 4th amendment. I know that sounds pedantic, but lawyers will often find a crack and open it up to a mile with that kind of hair splitting.
I don’t trust a single justice on the supreme court. Clarence Thomas is as corrupt as it gets and I have no reason to believe the others aren’t just as corrupt and being paid off. This is a blatant violation of the 4th amendment.
@@gigmaresh8772 he just kinda gets caught up in the net, but taiibi is who popped into my head. Like say the FBI had an asset in the IRS like they do with social media, but in this case the article specifically mentioned that the IRS wouldn't share info with different departments within the IRS should they find something interesting in a third partys activities, but that doesn't mean they can't, or that an asset from another agency wouldn't be there just to see who a person of interest might be affiliated with, and bully them. I really, REALLY dont think ppl understand how fatal this is and how it opens more doors for the intelligence state.
No not exactly the Constitution they're more afraid of the IRS than they are of the American citizens and what the citizens are eventually going to be capable of. Far as I'm concerned the IRS is nothing more than a militarized post office. All the IRS really needs to know about American citizens is their address that's it. They're just end up stealing money from Americans and giving it to Ukraine and the bidens and the bushes and the clintons and the bombas. Totally illegal as s*** this is also treason against the American people.
I would rather taxpayers game the system to not pay taxes than to have the IRS GAME the legal ssytem to illicitly spy on those they believe have cheated on their taxes. The problem with the government pursuing you is that they have an unlimited budget and ZERO time constraints.
They don't even have to believe you have cheated on your taxes. They can make something up if need be. And, you probably HAVE cheated on your taxes because the tax laws aren't written for you to be able to understand them so you have probably forgotten to dot an i somewhere along the line. It's like civil law. It is nearly impossible to go about your day and not break a law somewhere, about something.
The Fourteenth Amendment isn't involved. SCOTUS has held for a century that the Fourth isn't involved due to the Third-Party Doctrine, which would also suggest that the Fifth isn't involved either. I don't think they even argued there was a constitutional violation in this case. Rather they saw it as one of statutory interpretation.
Somehow I'm not even the tiniest bit surprised that the comments are mostly by idiots who don't understand what the law actually is, or that Steve didn't do a very good job of explaining the ruling
Unfortunately, I don't think it was ever brought up as a point of contention. It was never actually mentioned in the SCOTUS ruling and I don't believe the court gets to provide the argument for either side so I think we need to blame the lawyers that never even argued it was a 4th Amendment violation.
Under the Third-Party Doctrine, such an argument would be unlikely to succeed. A century ago SCOTUS decided that the Fourth Amendment doesn't protect your interest in records merely _about_ you but not owned by you.
I think we know how well these safeguards work in practice. Who watches the watchers? And what are the criminal penalties to the agents, agency managers, directors and administrative law attorneys and judges that abuse this power?
Speak the language of this nation's enemies and TELL them to come to America and get them some. 3 letter organizations will CEASE within MINUTES...I just WISH people ACTUALLY did that...(I know Italian & Russian. DON'T WORRY ABOUT ME...)
It's not the IRS, it's congress that is making the legislative laws that the IRS has to follow. Dont be mad at the IRS for doing what it is told to do and what it was founded to do (enforce tax laws passed by congress) .. be mad at the people in congress that keeps passing laws like this and then act like the IRS does things on its own...
"See, this isn't a 4A violation... we're not searching _your_ records without consent. We're *asking* your bank for _their_ records, and _they_ consented. Understand the difference?" Neither will a jury, your honor.
Easy fix here. Congress should pass a law REQUIRING financial institutions to notify customers when a summons is issued for their account information. Beyond that, the very idea of giving MORE power to the IRS is astounding.
@@vegan-cannibal714 It still pings off towers and those can be traced by police and other agencies (and in some states the police operate their own towers, called sting-ray's in common nomenclature, so they don't have to go thru channels for a warrant on the data from towers).
I have a real life example of this. Years ago I worked with a guy who owned a pizza place, which his grown sons ran. They were audited by IRS. As you know, a pizza shop is a cash business. His sons told the IRS they sold about 500 pizzas per month. The IRS went to the company which supplied them with boxes, & found out that they were buying about 1,000 pizza boxes a month.
When I was in the Army, I owed $2,000. So I contacted them stating that the amount would be hardship on me and could I pay it in 4 installments? They said yes. So when I got paid I wrote a check for $500 ( we got paid once a month), and then I started paying off other bills and the checks were bouncing. I went to the bank and they told me that even though I sent a check to the IRS for $500, they saw I had enough and took the whole $2,000. That taught me a few things: 1). The government does what it wants. 2). To only send money orders to the IRS. 3). To do your best to stay off their radar.
The taxman is the most powerful agency of government -- more so than the military and national security agencies. Nothing is a higher priority to politicians than the flow of cash into the trough from which they feed. Sad but true 😞
Property and income taxes are the worst. I don't have a problem with sales taxes. I'd say at least 90% of politicians have their own businesses or own corporate stock. If they raise sales taxes too high, business will drop off and they'll feel it immediately.
Due to the Third-Party Doctrine, SCOTUS probably wouldn't think there was a constitutional due process or privacy issue in the first place. My understanding is that the issue in this case was of statutory interpretation (i.e. does the statute empowering the IRS to investigate and subpoena stuff require notice to third parties).
@@PrezVeto They clearly don't. When was the last time you saw them cite the Constitution itself in any decision? As opposed to somebody else's opinion about the Constitution?
@@SCH292 Dems literally restored funding so they can go after rich people again. Republicans won't shut up about it which means they personal are cheating on their taxes in some way.
The IRS needs more money to investigate the very wealthy. Unfortunately, the very wealthy hire high price lawyers and accountants to prepare their returns and it is so complex that the auditors are not able to get very far very fast. So the IRS auditors turn to the lower hanging fruit: the middle class. (They don't bother with the poor - prob'y not paying federal tax in the first place). And of course the GOP is hell bent for leather to reduce IRS funding to reduce their ability to audit ... the rich.
The thing I hate about taxes, is often you are charged them multiple times for the same thing. Example, an income tax takes X amount of money away for what you earn. Depending on how much money you have saved up in your bank, for what ever reason, assets tax takes some money away. If your cash assets are purely from your earnings, they have been taxed twice for a single financial year. When somebody builds a private house, they pay taxes on the materials, the labour etc. If they sell the house, the new owner pays taxes on the house. If the house is passed to somebody via their will, that person pays inheritance tax. The house, it's material, the labour to build it, are all taxed three times in that situation. Even if electrical sockets have been replaced, new windows installed etc, everything is taxed when purchased. So why does it need to be taxed again, and again, and again? Yet another example, a sailboat built in Australia when leaving Australia to sail to another country, must be "exported" even if it remains Australian registered, owned by Australian citizens etc. When returning to Australia, maintaining the same registration and owners, it must be "imported" and is liable to import taxes. Why? Oh, my favourite one, is the Australian "fuel excise". This is basically a tax applied to fuel to help maintain the roads etc. The problem is, the before tax price of the fuel and the fuel excise per litre are added together, the COMBINED price is taxed. That's right, a tax is taxed. I understand the basic need for taxes, but the system needs to be overhauled.
I think it would be interesting to do an episode on how federal tax cases work. We know about district court, circuit court of appeals, and the supreme court, but how does the US Tax Court fit in? When do things go to the federal tax court? When to cases go from there to the supreme court?
ah administrative law. where rights are practically non-existent and the only appeals allowed are if its fundamentally erroneous. otherwise the "hearing" (really just a bureaucrat going yeah i think you did this and owe us this) you had from that administrative department hold like its a real trial. and they go straight to the appellate courts.
That's the whole point. Has been since 1913 when the Fed was instituted. One of the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto is a progressive income tax. "The way to destroy the Bourgeoisie (middle class) is to grind them between the millstones of inflation and taxation." - Vladimir Lenin. Communism a central banker system, they have always funded it and pushed it. ONe of the Rothschilds' paid Karl Marx 3000 English pounds to write the Manifesto.
Thank you! This is very much a public service you’ve done, this needs to be common knowledge. So, if I use a brick and mortar accounting company, can the IRS, in their role as proctologists-at-large, probe their business assets, so to speak? I’m all for everyone paying their taxes, and for restructuring the tax code, etc but this in the shadows BS, is plainly wrong.🤬
For a few years, when I was working at a large jail, I was the custodian of the inmate telephone recording system. All inmate phone calls not being placed to a number registered with the state bar association as belonging to an attorney's place of business are recorded. The inmates and anyone on the call with them are repeatedly advised of this before and during the call. I routinely handled subpoenas and search warrants for copies of specific recordings (almost exclusively from the prosecution) to supply a copy to be played in court, where I would appear to testify as to the provenance of the evidence. I regularly received these requests for recordings from federal agencies conducting investigations. By my recollection, there was not a single request from a federal agency that did not include a boilerplate paragraph in the document that specified that the subpoena and my response were considered part of an ongoing investigation and I was not to discuss the existence of the request to anyone. The target of the subpoena is in jail on federal charges. They know they are being investigated. The existence of the "gag order" paragraph under these circumstances indicates that being as secretive as possible is the default state of any federal investigation, even after the target of the investigation is in custody and surely aware that they are an object of interest to the federal authorities.
You will get "Due Process"... The Government says Bend Over, you are "Due" to be processed. Due Process... A fundamental principle of fairness in all legal matters (Except when the Government wants to come after you), both civil and criminal, especially in the courts. All legal procedures set by statute and court practice, including notice of rights, must be followed for each individual so that no prejudicial or unequal treatment will result. (Except the pesky citizens)
The next step is they will track the actual items that are purchased and maintain an inventory of personal property for either later taxation and asset tracking. "Hey, estate executor? Why didn't that electric can opener appear in the estate inventory?" "Don't know. Maybe it broke and mom threw it out." "Can you find that record?" "No." "Assessed 30% of its determined value for the presumed sale of item that was never claimed."
Now that the door has been opened, this will also be used by other Federal law enforcement, AND state and local law enforcement agencies for their own 'investigatory purposes'. The 'police state' continues to expand.
@@booterone1 You must have been watching the wrong video, or forgot what you watched... you comment on a youtube video about the IRS powers by saying income tax should cease....then respond saying a comment about income tax is off topic! The comment might not suit your agenda you boofhead, but it seems to nail you into the overwealthy bracket living off the rest of society, which I stated was a cry of those seeking to leach.
How is this not an 'End Run' around things like Lawyer - Client Privilege, or being 'Secure in your Person, papers and effects'?? Since they will see everything a person spends their Money on that the Current Administration has issues with (i.E. Firearms, money to the 'Freedom Truckers', Donations to a Political Party/Administrations Political Opponent, or a Newspaper paying a Confidential Source) even if it is a Constitutional Right
The scotus makes me sick sometimes. The opens this up to be abused. This indicates that there can be unlimited degrees of separation and they would be able to look into everyone. They are going to waste so many people’s time.
In Finland our equivalent of the IRS asked all the banks for all international transactions made between 2015-2021, both business and private. But the Finnish GDPR agency or something slapped the IRS on their wrist and said it's too wide a search, that they aren't allow to make that broad request without proper suspicion.
Sounds like an impenetrable strategy until the IRS loses an 8-figure penalty assessed to a tax cheat on appeal. And until that happens, people without million-dollar lawyers on retainer will be poked by this ruling if they look suspicious enough.
I have a case right now where that exactly whats happening. Auditing an individual to find information on a delinquet taxpayer that taxpayer worked for 2 years ago.
It is a great way to investigate a person that is the real target but can't because find anything on them, but if you investigate someone or business that you know is affiliated with the target 🎯 you can THEN pull all of documents that you require.
People are going to find in the future government will take your rights away. Government does not want citizens to question what is happening or your activities.
And it was _unanimous._ You know, there's a town in California called "Dana Point." It's named after a man called William Henry Dana, the author of a book called _Two Years Before the Mast,_ about how sailors were treated in the American commercial shipping fleets. The Supreme Court had ruled all sorts of asinine things on the subject, like how sailors could be held to contracts they hadn't signed or contracts that had been provably signed fraudulently or automatically renewed without their permission or signature. The book was a bestseller and brought lots of attention to these injustices approved by the Supreme Court. So the Supreme Court eventually got busy and reversed about all of that. So remember: There's an entire city named for the man who got the Supreme Court to reverse its own stupidity. So there's _some_ hope, at least.
You have heard the old adage, "Two steps forward, one step back," (feel free to switch the numbers). Well, that adage was inspired by the Supreme Court's decisions.
"Two steps forward, one step back" Indeed! Two steps forward...deeper in to outright tyranny...one step back...as a small reprieve. And so the advancement in to despotism continues.
If all these new IRS agents were investigating everyone of our congressman, senators, along with their staff members and lawyers, about their manipulation of financial markets, I would not have an issue with this.
You know, the only ppl that should be leaders are the ones that don't want to be. Almost everytime I see someone in a position of power that enjoys what they're doing, enjoy it because they like power, and those are the last ppl you want to have authority.
@@HH-ru4bj that was the whole point of Game of Thrones. People who wanted to be king should not be king. Even the dragon realized it was lust for the iron throne that killed Deaneries not Jon. This who didn’t want to rule were more likely to have compassion for the masses. I agree we have a paradox in the way we pick leaders in a democratic society. Those who run are not fit to lead and those who are fit to lead don’t run.
A few decades back my wife’s employer was audited, deservedly so, which brought an audit to every employee. Long story short, I always, always go through my taxes very carefully. I never want to get that letter again.
Great. So now when I sell my artwork at a show, I have to worry about who's buying. Mr. Lehto, I love your channel, but I'm always angered after watching!
Well no, we still do need taxes in a capitalist system in order to accrue wealth for government functions & services. Simply printing money would tank its value.
While I don't like the IRS there is a very important distinction here, you absolutely do not own the financial records at your bank that just happen to mention your name. They are not your records, they are the banks records. We do not own those records and therefor they are not protected under the 4th amendment. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy as there are bank employees that we don't know who have access to them. The IRS is just following the same procedures as other law enforcement agencies. Does anyone here really think google, apple or facebook isn't readily turning over the contents of not-really-your email accounts to law enforcement on demand? I mean they could demand a warrant first, but ultimately they'll turn them over as we don't own that data nor is there a reasonable expectation of privacy.
@@j.l.m.6862 Who has the encryption key? If the provider does not have the encryption key, then they can't possibly decrypt the data and can only provide the encrypted data.
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Too much government, not enough constitution
That and hangings... Of the public kind
Not enough execution...of the pew-pew kind.
How about the 🤡🤡 that VOTED repeatedly for the corrupt system to be their masters?? 😊😊
Getting the tyranny voted for
Its easy for us to get billed, taxed, assests forfeited, unjustly arrested, and have our rights violated.
But difficult for us to correct these issues when they make a mistake.
We have determined that we are not guilty of any wrongdoing, and you can't afford to sue us anyway.
If you VOTED, you wanted a master and cannot complain about the shit show.. 💯💯
@@Gangsta1168 To quote someone rather wise, "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice."
Voting is a choice of the lesser evil.
Not voting is lying back and waiting to be violated.
@@MonkeyJedi99 and i bet you didn't know even if you VOTED for a stupid 🐕, you really VOTED for the corrupt system to be your master.. 💯💯
It's easy to correct these issues it's just not enough people are willing to do what is required
So much for the 4th Amendment protections against illegal search and seizure.
Key word there being ILLEGAL. If it's a law, it's LEGAL. Call your representative 🤷
@@sudokode No, that's not the key word. Read the 4th Amendment. The guy you are repolying to is just wrong.
next they will be using those weapons they started carrying if you mess up on a tax form..
@@snex000 you're being overly technical for the sole purpose of derailing this conversation. Please cease and desist, thanks
@@sudokode Nope. The 4th amendment is worded as it is precisely because the founders knew that congress would just write whatever laws it wanted to justify whatever searches they wanted. Hence it protects against UNREASONABLE searches. Which these are.
Quit being a cuck for the government.
*_"Once you realize the U.S. government is an organized crime syndicate, everything makes sense." ~ L. Todd Wood_*
You shall not steal. The government doesn't like competition
All governments not just the US.
This
Bingo!
Once you realize the US gives you more freedom then most places on earth it’s time to put in some work.
This is the same sort of mental gymnastics that brought about civil asset forfeture
and redefined marriage
@@gavnonadoroge3092who defined marriage before that?
@@no-cv4dx your parents
Another example of the government coming up with new ways to sidestep the Constitution.
It's not even side stepping in this case, there were no constitutional arguments because they said it doesn't apply by declaration.
What side stepping would be is if they defined electronic records as exclusively electronic and not "papers" to get around the security of "papers' part of "person, papers, and effects" of the 4th amendment. I know that sounds pedantic, but lawyers will often find a crack and open it up to a mile with that kind of hair splitting.
Gotta keep VOTING then HOPE for CHANGE.. 😊😊😊
I don’t trust a single justice on the supreme court. Clarence Thomas is as corrupt as it gets and I have no reason to believe the others aren’t just as corrupt and being paid off. This is a blatant violation of the 4th amendment.
Their police, judges, and prosecutors do it every...damn...day.
@@Gangsta1168 How about demanding Constitutional right to privacy and protection from double jeopardy in all areas of law in America. !
Sounds exactly like the kind of tactic one would use against whistle blowers and political rivals.
Are you referenceing the backstabbing prosecution of Reality Winner?
@@gigmaresh8772 he just kinda gets caught up in the net, but taiibi is who popped into my head. Like say the FBI had an asset in the IRS like they do with social media, but in this case the article specifically mentioned that the IRS wouldn't share info with different departments within the IRS should they find something interesting in a third partys activities, but that doesn't mean they can't, or that an asset from another agency wouldn't be there just to see who a person of interest might be affiliated with, and bully them.
I really, REALLY dont think ppl understand how fatal this is and how it opens more doors for the intelligence state.
Holy shit
Ignore if you saw the unedited one. Managed to post it in the wrong spot.
if you have nothing illegal to hide then there is zero concern. only those breaking the law have anything to fear about this.
And that ladies and gentlemen is what happens when justices are more afraid of the IRS than the Constitution.
No not exactly the Constitution they're more afraid of the IRS than they are of the American citizens and what the citizens are eventually going to be capable of. Far as I'm concerned the IRS is nothing more than a militarized post office. All the IRS really needs to know about American citizens is their address that's it. They're just end up stealing money from Americans and giving it to Ukraine and the bidens and the bushes and the clintons and the bombas. Totally illegal as s*** this is also treason against the American people.
This is what you get when liberal politicians appoint judges.
@@noammo892 except it was a unanimous decision. That means the left and the right both agreed to this decision.
That makes judges look like victoms.
They are not.
I would argue it shows justices aren't afraid of the people & are in favor of gov over reach vs our rights
I would rather taxpayers game the system to not pay taxes than to have the IRS GAME the legal ssytem to illicitly spy on those they believe have cheated on their taxes.
The problem with the government pursuing you is that they have an unlimited budget and ZERO time constraints.
Who gave 💵💵 and power to the government?? Gods?? 😊😊
They don't even have to believe you have cheated on your taxes. They can make something up if need be. And, you probably HAVE cheated on your taxes because the tax laws aren't written for you to be able to understand them so you have probably forgotten to dot an i somewhere along the line. It's like civil law. It is nearly impossible to go about your day and not break a law somewhere, about something.
@@timothyjohnson6258that’s the whole point, so they can pick and choose anyone they want for harassment etc. .
So you’re saying that’s it’s ok for the little people to cheat on their taxes but if rich people do it’s bad.
We're almost all connected in some way. We need to fight this or it's game over for civil rights.
I'm absolutely stunned that this ruling was 9-0. It's beyond shocking! It has 4th, 5th &14th ammendment implications. It's awful!!
The Fourteenth Amendment isn't involved. SCOTUS has held for a century that the Fourth isn't involved due to the Third-Party Doctrine, which would also suggest that the Fifth isn't involved either. I don't think they even argued there was a constitutional violation in this case. Rather they saw it as one of statutory interpretation.
@@PrezVeto You're in a very small minority, what with actually having a clue what actually happened.
Somehow I'm not even the tiniest bit surprised that the comments are mostly by idiots who don't understand what the law actually is, or that Steve didn't do a very good job of explaining the ruling
No worries.. Just keep VOTING then HOPE for CHANGE.. 😊😊
@@suedenim9208 you are a moron if you didn't understand the true meaning of the word idiot.. 😊😊
Might as well entitled this video, "The supreme court just proved it never read the fourth ammendment."
We know they know what it is. So they just proved their oath violating corruption.
Unfortunately, I don't think it was ever brought up as a point of contention. It was never actually mentioned in the SCOTUS ruling and I don't believe the court gets to provide the argument for either side so I think we need to blame the lawyers that never even argued it was a 4th Amendment violation.
Judging by the fact that civil forfeiture has never been struck down, Id say you're right
Oh, they read the fourth ammendment and understand it for sure. They're just corrupt and evil.
Under the Third-Party Doctrine, such an argument would be unlikely to succeed. A century ago SCOTUS decided that the Fourth Amendment doesn't protect your interest in records merely _about_ you but not owned by you.
I think we know how well these safeguards work in practice. Who watches the watchers? And what are the criminal penalties to the agents, agency managers, directors and administrative law attorneys and judges that abuse this power?
If you VOTED, you're responsible for the shit show.. 💯💯
Screw the IRS and SCOTUS.
Speak the language of this nation's enemies and TELL them to come to America and get them some. 3 letter organizations will CEASE within MINUTES...I just WISH people ACTUALLY did that...(I know Italian & Russian. DON'T WORRY ABOUT ME...)
Who gave power to the government?? Gods?? 😊😊😊
@@Gangsta1168 Nope, They just took it.
For now.
It's not the IRS, it's congress that is making the legislative laws that the IRS has to follow. Dont be mad at the IRS for doing what it is told to do and what it was founded to do (enforce tax laws passed by congress) .. be mad at the people in congress that keeps passing laws like this and then act like the IRS does things on its own...
@@michaelhanson5773stop acting like the IRS and the people above the IRS didn’t ask for this power. The IRS is nit even close to an innocent party.
Funny how the government can just give itself more power like that.
This is what happens when the electorate votes in a party nominally run by a senile 80 year old and a talentless woman who specializes in word salad.
"See, this isn't a 4A violation... we're not searching _your_ records without consent. We're *asking* your bank for _their_ records, and _they_ consented. Understand the difference?"
Neither will a jury, your honor.
Easy fix here. Congress should pass a law REQUIRING financial institutions to notify customers when a summons is issued for their account information. Beyond that, the very idea of giving MORE power to the IRS is astounding.
Yeah, the government needs to snoop more than they already do.
Do you carry a cell phone? Don't complain about snooping if you do.
@Sarah Weston not one with a working camera, mic, or GPS.
@@vegan-cannibal714 It still pings off towers and those can be traced by police and other agencies (and in some states the police operate their own towers, called sting-ray's in common nomenclature, so they don't have to go thru channels for a warrant on the data from towers).
Ah the classic if youve got nothing to hid youve got nothing to fear decision from the SC.
so this is a backdoor way for them to investigate you, just claim they are investigating someone else...very very shady.
I have a real life example of this. Years ago I worked with a guy who owned a pizza place, which his grown sons ran. They were audited by IRS. As you know, a pizza shop is a cash business. His sons told the IRS they sold about 500 pizzas per month. The IRS went to the company which supplied them with boxes, & found out that they were buying about 1,000 pizza boxes a month.
Right. This wont get misused at all, greater good, etc.
Tyranny is like a tiger. Sneaky until it pounces on you.
When I was in the Army, I owed $2,000. So I contacted them stating that the amount would be hardship on me and could I pay it in 4 installments? They said yes. So when I got paid I wrote a check for $500 ( we got paid once a month), and then I started paying off other bills and the checks were bouncing. I went to the bank and they told me that even though I sent a check to the IRS for $500, they saw I had enough and took the whole $2,000.
That taught me a few things:
1). The government does what it wants.
2). To only send money orders to the IRS.
3). To do your best to stay off their radar.
Give the criminals more power.
Did they even think about the 4th Amendment?
They have probably been doing all that all along.
This ruling is against the 4 & 14th amendments, illegal search and lack of due process.
The taxman is the most powerful agency of government -- more so than the military and national security agencies. Nothing is a higher priority to politicians than the flow of cash into the trough from which they feed. Sad but true 😞
We need to get rid of the IRS, and go back to running the Government on Tariffs only and no VAT or Sales Tax.
Getting rid of income tax would be much better.
Property and income taxes are the worst. I don't have a problem with sales taxes. I'd say at least 90% of politicians have their own businesses or own corporate stock. If they raise sales taxes too high, business will drop off and they'll feel it immediately.
@@valentinius62 I believe we have to greatly limit the Federal Government's ability to raise income
@@kirkmorrison6131It's not the early 1800s. The federal government is much much bigger than States already.
@@no-cv4dx we need to roll back it's power and reach
I wonder on What Constitutional basis the SC decided this was ok.
Hilarious that you think they look at the Constitution at all for anything.
@@snex000Sad that you think they don't.
Due to the Third-Party Doctrine, SCOTUS probably wouldn't think there was a constitutional due process or privacy issue in the first place. My understanding is that the issue in this case was of statutory interpretation (i.e. does the statute empowering the IRS to investigate and subpoena stuff require notice to third parties).
@@PrezVeto They clearly don't. When was the last time you saw them cite the Constitution itself in any decision? As opposed to somebody else's opinion about the Constitution?
@@snex000I don't think you understand how precedent works.
I find it rather disgusting that this was a UNANIMOUS decision by SCOTUS.🤬 So much for due process....
The IRS needs to spend more time investigating supreme court justices.
And Congress
IRS won't because all 3(SC, Congress and IRS)are all in this together. 3some and 3 way.
@@SCH292 Dems literally restored funding so they can go after rich people again. Republicans won't shut up about it which means they personal are cheating on their taxes in some way.
The IRS needs more money to investigate the very wealthy. Unfortunately, the very wealthy hire high price lawyers and accountants to prepare their returns and it is so complex that the auditors are not able to get very far very fast.
So the IRS auditors turn to the lower hanging fruit: the middle class.
(They don't bother with the poor - prob'y not paying federal tax in the first place).
And of course the GOP is hell bent for leather to reduce IRS funding to reduce their ability to audit ... the rich.
Imagine a certain judge who's had affiliations with a billionaire for the past 20+ years approved this, then the IRS turn around and turn him out.
The thing I hate about taxes, is often you are charged them multiple times for the same thing.
Example, an income tax takes X amount of money away for what you earn. Depending on how much money you have saved up in your bank, for what ever reason, assets tax takes some money away.
If your cash assets are purely from your earnings, they have been taxed twice for a single financial year.
When somebody builds a private house, they pay taxes on the materials, the labour etc.
If they sell the house, the new owner pays taxes on the house. If the house is passed to somebody via their will, that person pays inheritance tax. The house, it's material, the labour to build it, are all taxed three times in that situation.
Even if electrical sockets have been replaced, new windows installed etc, everything is taxed when purchased. So why does it need to be taxed again, and again, and again?
Yet another example, a sailboat built in Australia when leaving Australia to sail to another country, must be "exported" even if it remains Australian registered, owned by Australian citizens etc.
When returning to Australia, maintaining the same registration and owners, it must be "imported" and is liable to import taxes.
Why?
Oh, my favourite one, is the Australian "fuel excise".
This is basically a tax applied to fuel to help maintain the roads etc.
The problem is, the before tax price of the fuel and the fuel excise per litre are added together, the COMBINED price is taxed.
That's right, a tax is taxed.
I understand the basic need for taxes, but the system needs to be overhauled.
Guilty until proven innocent.
I think it would be interesting to do an episode on how federal tax cases work. We know about district court, circuit court of appeals, and the supreme court, but how does the US Tax Court fit in? When do things go to the federal tax court? When to cases go from there to the supreme court?
ah administrative law. where rights are practically non-existent and the only appeals allowed are if its fundamentally erroneous. otherwise the "hearing" (really just a bureaucrat going yeah i think you did this and owe us this) you had from that administrative department hold like its a real trial.
and they go straight to the appellate courts.
There shouldn't be a "tax court."
@@JodyBruchon This is the correct answer, the IRS should have to use our normal legal system like every other Government agency. Why are they special?
Approve, no special courts for the IRS.
IRS doing what it can to wipe out the middle class... :(
That's the whole point. Has been since 1913 when the Fed was instituted. One of the 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto is a progressive income tax. "The way to destroy the Bourgeoisie (middle class) is to grind them between the millstones of inflation and taxation." - Vladimir Lenin. Communism a central banker system, they have always funded it and pushed it. ONe of the Rothschilds' paid Karl Marx 3000 English pounds to write the Manifesto.
The political witch hunt has begun.
Thank you! This is very much a public service you’ve done, this needs to be common knowledge. So, if I use a brick and mortar accounting company, can the IRS, in their role as proctologists-at-large, probe their business assets, so to speak? I’m all for everyone paying their taxes, and for restructuring the tax code, etc but this in the shadows BS, is plainly wrong.🤬
I am totally against paying income tax or property tax of any kind. We didn't have income tax until 1913.
And this is the court we are expecting to unhold our 2A right?
Many of the agents at the IRS do not even have a high school diploma, and yet they have this kind of authority. This is very scary.
For a few years, when I was working at a large jail, I was the custodian of the inmate telephone recording system. All inmate phone calls not being placed to a number registered with the state bar association as belonging to an attorney's place of business are recorded. The inmates and anyone on the call with them are repeatedly advised of this before and during the call. I routinely handled subpoenas and search warrants for copies of specific recordings (almost exclusively from the prosecution) to supply a copy to be played in court, where I would appear to testify as to the provenance of the evidence. I regularly received these requests for recordings from federal agencies conducting investigations. By my recollection, there was not a single request from a federal agency that did not include a boilerplate paragraph in the document that specified that the subpoena and my response were considered part of an ongoing investigation and I was not to discuss the existence of the request to anyone. The target of the subpoena is in jail on federal charges. They know they are being investigated. The existence of the "gag order" paragraph under these circumstances indicates that being as secretive as possible is the default state of any federal investigation, even after the target of the investigation is in custody and surely aware that they are an object of interest to the federal authorities.
If you keep posting stuff like that they're going to come after you
It's so unfortunate to hear about Steve's IRS audit in this way! I hope it all goes well!
yes it's a joke :P
Some attorney at the IRS is getting a big promotion for this win.
No bank acc, no credit, no phone service,
Cash is king, good luck IRS😂😂
You know that is probable cause for a criminal investigation nowdays?
You will get "Due Process"... The Government says Bend Over, you are "Due" to be processed.
Due Process... A fundamental principle of fairness in all legal matters (Except when the Government wants to come after you), both civil and criminal, especially in the courts. All legal procedures set by statute and court practice, including notice of rights, must be followed for each individual so that no prejudicial or unequal treatment will result. (Except the pesky citizens)
What Constitutional Authority did they cite to justify this 4th Amendment and 5th Amendment intrusion? What about Attorney Client Privilege?
I wonder how this will affect sellers on multiple websites such as eBay, Facebook marketplace?
The government always wants its cake and eat it too.
The government always wants to eat its cake and have it too, and your cake, and my cake, and the cake of everyone you've ever met.
The next step is they will track the actual items that are purchased and maintain an inventory of personal property for either later taxation and asset tracking.
"Hey, estate executor? Why didn't that electric can opener appear in the estate inventory?"
"Don't know. Maybe it broke and mom threw it out."
"Can you find that record?"
"No."
"Assessed 30% of its determined value for the presumed sale of item that was never claimed."
Just an awful decision! Takes away your right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures!😱👎🇺🇸
The word "secret" and "court" shouldnt be next to each other in a sentence. This is nuts
And with the degrees of separation, they will find a way to intrude on any and everyone.
Now that the door has been opened, this will also be used by other Federal law enforcement, AND state and local law enforcement agencies for their own 'investigatory purposes'.
The 'police state' continues to expand.
Job postings to work 90k a year as armed agent for IRS now this ..... 🤔
Supreme court has lost its damn mind.
How on earth can the Supreme Court find that constitutional!??
All the more reason to drop all income taxes and revert to a national sales tax.
You are obviously someone with more money than you need to reasonably live, while millions live in poverty.
@@annpeerkat2020 totally off topic
@@booterone1 It's totally on topic whenever a moron says they think a national sales tax is a good substitute for an income tax.
@@suedenim9208 Not when you say untrue lies about me having MORE Money than I need, you are a typical loser.
@@booterone1 You must have been watching the wrong video, or forgot what you watched... you comment on a youtube video about the IRS powers by saying income tax should cease....then respond saying a comment about income tax is off topic! The comment might not suit your agenda you boofhead, but it seems to nail you into the overwealthy bracket living off the rest of society, which I stated was a cry of those seeking to leach.
IRS: We've got what it takes to take what you've got.
And in their own documentation they have the audacity state that it's a "voluntary" system. Well, until their armed agents arrive at your front door.
@@scottmccutcheon9828 Dave Barry once wrote that we Americans pay our taxes because we "feel a strong, patriotic duty not to go to jail".
Oh yeah this will never be abused.
How is this not an 'End Run' around things like Lawyer - Client Privilege, or being 'Secure in your Person, papers and effects'?? Since they will see everything a person spends their Money on that the Current Administration has issues with (i.E. Firearms, money to the 'Freedom Truckers', Donations to a Political Party/Administrations Political Opponent, or a Newspaper paying a Confidential Source) even if it is a Constitutional Right
The scotus makes me sick sometimes. The opens this up to be abused. This indicates that there can be unlimited degrees of separation and they would be able to look into everyone. They are going to waste so many people’s time.
In Finland our equivalent of the IRS asked all the banks for all international transactions made between 2015-2021, both business and private. But the Finnish GDPR agency or something slapped the IRS on their wrist and said it's too wide a search, that they aren't allow to make that broad request without proper suspicion.
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Sounds like an impenetrable strategy until the IRS loses an 8-figure penalty assessed to a tax cheat on appeal. And until that happens, people without million-dollar lawyers on retainer will be poked by this ruling if they look suspicious enough.
Rights taking away by those pathetic justices.
Big Brother - - Orson Wells had more incite than he knew.
I hope so.
I have a case right now where that exactly whats happening. Auditing an individual to find information on a delinquet taxpayer that taxpayer worked for 2 years ago.
This should all be shut down. Unreasonable search of your information.
Government ruling in it's own favor on a tax issue, so much for that representation thing
I was audited by the IRS and they found out that they owed me money because I hadn't claimed some things that I could have.
It is a great way to investigate a person that is the real target but can't because find anything on them, but if you investigate someone or business that you know is affiliated with the target 🎯 you can THEN pull all of documents that you require.
*“The tyranny of a prince in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy.”*
People are going to find in the future government will take your rights away. Government does not want citizens to question what is happening or your activities.
TIME TO SHUT DOWN IRS. SCOTUS NEEDS TO RETHINK THIS ONE, REAL FAST. Makes me wonder what IRS has on SCOTUS for leverage.
I wish they would do this on every one in gov starting with Pres
That kind of explains why the IRS "needs" 80,000 more agents all of a sudden.
GREAT,,,JUST GREAT
What's next
And it was _unanimous._
You know, there's a town in California called "Dana Point." It's named after a man called William Henry Dana, the author of a book called _Two Years Before the Mast,_ about how sailors were treated in the American commercial shipping fleets. The Supreme Court had ruled all sorts of asinine things on the subject, like how sailors could be held to contracts they hadn't signed or contracts that had been provably signed fraudulently or automatically renewed without their permission or signature. The book was a bestseller and brought lots of attention to these injustices approved by the Supreme Court. So the Supreme Court eventually got busy and reversed about all of that.
So remember: There's an entire city named for the man who got the Supreme Court to reverse its own stupidity. So there's _some_ hope, at least.
This is civil asset forfiture logic all over again.
Why am I not surprised? Disgusted, but not surprised.
You have heard the old adage, "Two steps forward, one step back," (feel free to switch the numbers). Well, that adage was inspired by the Supreme Court's decisions.
"Two steps forward, one step back"
Indeed!
Two steps forward...deeper in to outright tyranny...one step back...as a small reprieve.
And so the advancement in to despotism continues.
Frightening! How do you defend yourself when you don't even know they are hunting you. Truly no one is safe.
They had to find something for all those new IRS agents to do!
Yay, just what this country needed. How about we try making it easier for companies in America to prosper.
The IRS is trying to outdo the ATF.
Their agents bleed like any other.
@@EnthalpyAndEntropy we'll soon see
@@gridtac2911 I think they anticipate that, thus the attempt at hiring a bunch more, armed IRS agents.
Already to much government overstepping!!!!!!
The subpoena powers of the irs are very broad and it’s unlikely you could successfully object to an irs subpoena anyways. But they should notify you.
Why should they notify you when they want to look at somebody else's records?
If all these new IRS agents were investigating everyone of our congressman, senators, along with their staff members and lawyers, about their manipulation of financial markets, I would not have an issue with this.
Let's put Steve one the supreme court. I know he doesn't want to be a judge but it would be nice to have someone with some common sense on the court.
You know, the only ppl that should be leaders are the ones that don't want to be. Almost everytime I see someone in a position of power that enjoys what they're doing, enjoy it because they like power, and those are the last ppl you want to have authority.
I agree Steve would be a significant improvement over the current court.
You mean the guy who doesn't understand a case as incredibly simple as what a MI law says about legal fees when an auto repair shop commits fraud?
@@HH-ru4bj that was the whole point of Game of Thrones. People who wanted to be king should not be king. Even the dragon realized it was lust for the iron throne that killed Deaneries not Jon. This who didn’t want to rule were more likely to have compassion for the masses. I agree we have a paradox in the way we pick leaders in a democratic society. Those who run are not fit to lead and those who are fit to lead don’t run.
Hope that Supreme Court gets audited by these people for 10 damned years.
I think thats wrong
Scotus judges know who funds their generous paychecks and perks.
I voted with my feet and left the USA for good. Best decision of my life!
Me thinks its time for congress to abolish the IRS and go to a national sales tax.
Involving the IRS's successor in every little transaction is not an improvement.
how about forget the tax. all money is printed out of thin air anyway
Yechh!! We need new law to prevent this.
Land of the free /s
A few decades back my wife’s employer was audited, deservedly so, which brought an audit to every employee. Long story short, I always, always go through my taxes very carefully. I never want to get that letter again.
Great. So now when I sell my artwork at a show, I have to worry about who's buying. Mr. Lehto, I love your channel, but I'm always angered after watching!
Why does a govt that prints the money need to collect taxes? Answer, to gather information and punish its enemies.
Well no, we still do need taxes in a capitalist system in order to accrue wealth for government functions & services. Simply printing money would tank its value.
Relax my fellow subjects. Our Benevolent Leaders would never use such tactics against you.
Lawfare, the process IS the punishment
While I don't like the IRS there is a very important distinction here, you absolutely do not own the financial records at your bank that just happen to mention your name. They are not your records, they are the banks records. We do not own those records and therefor they are not protected under the 4th amendment. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy as there are bank employees that we don't know who have access to them. The IRS is just following the same procedures as other law enforcement agencies. Does anyone here really think google, apple or facebook isn't readily turning over the contents of not-really-your email accounts to law enforcement on demand? I mean they could demand a warrant first, but ultimately they'll turn them over as we don't own that data nor is there a reasonable expectation of privacy.
What about a paid, encrypted e-mail service?
@@j.l.m.6862 Who has the encryption key? If the provider does not have the encryption key, then they can't possibly decrypt the data and can only provide the encrypted data.
Have we reached the point of what we fought to get away from?