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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ม.ค. 2025
- This is my mindset on labbing defense against a character with very powerful offense or mixup, like I-No. Let me know if you have similar ideas, or go about it in a different way! I am always happy to learn.
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I love how this applies to every fighting game. I worry to much about trying to be right during the mix but it's called guessing for a reason, don't worry about the mix and play to the strength of what zone you are in! Hotashi you are a genius!
Loved the video, I play nearly everyday against a strong I-No and yeah she's so good. The aerial blockstrings and even certain ones combo into grounded buttons. VERY fast and low empty jumps, easy burst baits. Keep up the content!
I love the way you break down the offensive and defensive options, it helps think of counterplay in a way I can practice outside of a match
I am going to free my mind against all mixup characters now. Play past the mix!
I went from playing maybe 2 I-No's a week the first 2 months to fighting a legion of them recently. Thank you for the vid
Is there a lot now? I haven't played in a few weeks but I've been maining her since the beta so curious if I'd be considered a tier whore now under current patch.
@@jkt3sc she's really good right now in my opinion
@@jkt3sc Who cares what you're considered, didn't you pay for the game?
@@cronosdimitri4584 I don't, granted I have gotten lots of hate in the 360 days for characters I picked. Question was just asking how good she was in a humorus way though, no need to take it to seriously was just having fun.
@@rancen6 Sounds good, I think her oki was always slept on, but her neutral was ass in the beginning mostly due to her slow movement speed. Thanks for the heads up though, hopefully I can play again soon.
The common denominator for all fighting games is timing. Specifically, split-second and intuitive timing. You can't be great without it.
Option coverage is something I barely hear talked about and this video covered it deeply
It's nice to see I'm heading in the right direction on how to fight these characters.
Very helpful Information. Really liked the editing on this one too.
My main struggle with i-no is how her oki is first a high/low then it turns into double high/high into frame trap/high into low/high into grab.
I like how you're saying once you get put into that position it's too late. You gotta play to where she doesn't put you in those scenarios
I was glad to hear someone who has a lot of technical knowledge say I-no was really good. I rememeber when the game was newer I saw Diaphone make a matchup list and didn't put anything higher then a 5/5 for her. I played her anyway because I'm semi-casual and I thought she was cool and fun. It seems fair to me, since most characters can either compete with her on mobility or have longer buttons to try to keep her out with. At least that's how it feels.
Well I-no got HELLA buffs 2 patches in a row.
Yeah that mtach up list for I-no is super outdated now after both patches
Thank you
Really appreciate your videos.
Something about how you explain things helps me comprehend context and how to build a framework to make decisions by.
I really love these matchup specific vids.
Just got back into to strive your insights have been wonderful. I never thought of playing past the mix lol.
Great video. I know you already mentioned him, but I would love for you to cover anti-Leo stuff the same way in another video.
Really like your content. I really appreciate how you explain situations and gameplanning.
I like how you have to solve a whole ass murder case in order to arrive at "mindless counterplay".
This is mad good
signed, an i-no main
People forget too easily a bad situation is still bad hence while it's nice to call out fake mix if it's a 50/50 with layers of guessing on it just focus on how to prevent the situation
Lost one of my local tourney matches to an I-no. Download acquired, ty Hotashi.
Hotashi out here with the god level content 🔥
Still a fantastic video. I'm gonna have to revisit Chipp and try to figure out how to deal with things with this goal in mind- recognize when he's gotta pick from one of his less favorable cancels to get out of my face.
I heard mashing and jumps are strong against his cancels, so that's a start
I’ll be real I didn’t give you enough credit at 1st but after watching this vid. I see you most definitely a lab monster. You should break down this situation for every character. That would be prolific.
You didn’t give him credit even after he won WVO ?
Great info our Nago master. Could you share some inputs about the Milia matchup? I am having trouble in neutral when she is the air due to her high maneuverability and crazy crossups. Thanks in advance.
Don't let her land on you. She wants to come down in the dead zone directly above your head where 2h will whif. Use Fukyo as she's on the way down or cS tends to trade favorably with her air to grounds if your comfortable with proximity.
Man I miss top tier I-No.
@@АртёмТор-к2ю You come here, to my five month old comment, on the day of my daughter’s wedding, and you mock me?
Thanks for the video, love learning from you!
Love the breakdown. Thank you for teaching. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
When you prefect block with that green orb. It pushes your opponent back as you block. giving you some space
Great vid
Time to hit the lab and find a bunch of stuff like this for every match up
this is way too high level for me
at my level of play people don't think about what they're doing this deeply so if i put this into practice i'd just play myself
hopefully i can get good enough someday to where i can put this knowledge into use
knowing you can challenge 2k>2d is useful in all levels of play
Well i as an Ino main im here to see how people react to my pressure and id be lying to you that i always have a set route in mind so mashing 5p will often work. just know the same trick rarely works again as we immediately adjust for it. you dont have to over think it just get used to the match up and you learn to identify patterns. once you have identified some of them then proceed to learn your options one at a time. fighting games are a journey so i understand your hesitation of information overload. but i like Hotashi very analytical approach. it always help me in the nago match up.
you can always use it. if you just do the base level answers that's how you force players to switch it up or lose and you climb the ranks. it's still important to know the first level mix because anyone is at least thinking that deep
being able to recognize when you're playing yourself or uplifting the opponent too much is part of being a strong player
I mias when nago didnt have unreactable 50/50 mixes
I ironically learned a lot as a beginner I-No watching this video. Thanks for the quality content Hotashi
Every time I get memed on by some level 1600 person in celestial in a match up I don’t know hotashi posts a video about it. Blessings
Thank you so much. Can you do a matchup analysis on Ky and Gio, because I'm stuck af. I really can't do shit when they get defensive.
In the section where you talked about options on wakeup against nago, mash beats grab as well as nago's slower moves, so it could be more of a 75% chance.
No good Nago grabs on wake up. I usually back Fukuo and bait or forward Fukyo and 2K or 2S from range.
Either way your guessing every time
Can ino do HCL after 2k 2d? Might keep her further away?
Thanks. I thought l was bad at blocking I-no, Millia and Chipp.
What's the difference between okizeme and ukemi? Is it based on perspective? (Your wakeup options VS theirs)
That's exactly it, yeah
To expand a bit on that, Ukemi is a martial arts thing (mostly Judo) that refers to being able to take a fall without just like fuckin dying or worse. It's among the most basic things you have to learn while training for judo because judo training and sparring involves taking a lot of falls.
@@NinthSettler Oh, so using your Judo example, ukemi in fighting games refers to how I should deal with the situation where I am knocked down. So it's kind of like choosing whether I backdash or super on wake up right?
Do this for every Character, DO ALL THE WORK FOR ME
6P mash is good against ino, after blocking first overhead :D
Good shit.
This is good for me bc I main Ino
nice video
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JS > JD can be 6P but you know is coming our your get punish hard.
love the video, but dude you need to either lower your gain or back away from the mic.
So, the best counterplay to offensive mixups is to run your own offense and prevent the opponent from mounting their offense.
I guess the foundation of Guilty Gear is literally all about bottlenecking players into running pressure and changing the opponent's pressure into your own pressure as instantly as possible, ignoring the concept of a smooth pendulum swing from pressure to neutral before it can swing to the other players pressure.
That's why I'm done playing until they either massively buff Ky or add a DLC character who can effectively ironwall close range pressure and mixups. Whether it's Baiken or someone else, I don't care. I just NEED retained agency and effective defensive counterplay against rushdown at close range, in order to enjoy any fighting game. Axl zoning and a bevy of high risk highly-circumstantial defensive mechanics just ain't it.
*learn how to IB*
Every fighting game is based on offense, especially anime fighters, and Strive is one of the tamest ones.
When a character directly counters offense like Baiken in GGXX, you get something broken beyond repair.
There are players who are very patient and have incredible defense, but they don't blame the game and demand a character that counters the opponent for them. If you want defense, learn to do it yourself.
I-No is a character whose entire point is shattering defense once she gets in, but there is still a lot to learn about fighting her pressure, and you can save your resources to have an even stronger defense.
You missed the point of this video as it is entirely about defense. Take a step back and think about how you approach fighting games. Defense is incredibly hard in any fighting game, but you can learn to excel in it.
@@IndigoMecha
Nah. Not worth my effort.
I haven't touched a fighting game since when I posted that comment. Not even VF5US (which does better at balancing the rewards of offense and defense than almost all modern FGs).
Honestly, I've been happier for it.
After 21 years of playing fighters, the genre has done such a good job of pushing me away and into finding an exponentially more rewarding experience from Battle Royales (both shooter and melee combat variants), MOBAs, Roguelikes (or Roguelites like Sifu), and even PvE games like Monster Hunter Rise and Warframe.
At this point, a game letting me play how I want and not penalizing me for it is what makes or breaks its worth to me. If a game actually REWARDS my natural tendencies towards a slower measured approach, then even better. And bonus points for having enough balance, flexibility, or elements of random to make a meta matter less and enable more freedom of viable choice.
@@s_factor_sam I can't agree, I think fighting games are some of the most rewarding, and many of them are fairly balanced. I'm a very slow and defensive player, too, you're rewarded for any play style you can back up. But fair enough, it's not for everyone.
Battle Royales and MOBAs tend to only frustrate me. But I do love Monster Hunter and roguelites. Glad you figured out what you really enjoy in the end, at least. I've seen people who seem miserable but keep forcing that on themselves.
Exacty how I feel tbh. Strive has less neutral than the other games. More neutral resets, but less to do once you’re there. Testament has been alleviating is a little bit for me but ultimately gonna stick w ACR
nerf nago
BuT hEr Mix is fAke and hEr oveRheAd is reActaBle
I play both Nago and I-no so this video was helpful from both angles lol
oh as an i-no player i love this. people complain about my 'bullshit' a lot but as the saying goes. don't get hit aka dont let me win neutral in a way that gives me a good knockdown cause you can murder me too