Nothing like sitting down to watch some TH-cam, only to see my Nexo Alpha rig as the thumbnail of a video! I was like WTF?! But after watching, I'm glad you didn't rip me or my listing apart. Haha! But anyway, YES, that is the price. It was listed for $14K, but I just lowered it about a month ago when my summer season wound down, and after remembering that we blew a B1 this summer, so the replacement 15" went into one of the B1 cabinets. Also, the oddball 7th S2 sub is empty because I was going to buy another 18" speaker for it, but that never happened. Regardless, I will bring the price down to whatever we agree is fair. And yes, I have new black grill foam for almost every box. Why am I keeping 10 boxes? Well, because we still do a lot of groundstack work, and nothing in it's price and size will get as loud, throw as far, or sound as good as Alpha. I currently own dozens of small line array boxes, but they're normally only used for corporate work. If I need to get loud, and there's no way to fly, it's the Alpha rig, hands down. The downside to Alpha, you absolutely have to power AND process them correctly. Lake, XTA, dbx, and similar processors will not work. It has to be an NX242 processor with conventional amplifiers, or Nexo's Nxamps. As far as amplifiers, anything without DSP is fine, as long as it's at least 2500 per channel at 2 ohms, and can be switched to 26db of voltage gain. That said, Crown Ma5000, Camco Vortex6, Crest Pro9200, Lab Gruppen FP10000Q, and similar non-DSP amplifiers will all work just fine. If anyone here is interested, feel free to message me, and thank you so much for sharing my stuff!
Hi John, thanks for the message & for all the great info you added about your system. I'm really glad you're happy that I covered it in this episode and I hope someone reaches out to you and makes a deal. If everyone listing gear on marketplace was as reasonable and forthcoming as you are, I wouldn't be able to make this series any fun. Stay in touch and let me know if you end up finding a buyer!
@@DcSoundOp Hey! Thank you for your response, and for pinning my post up top! I actually received a message this morning from a guy in South Africa, but like most Nexo houses that've moved onto line-array, he only wants to purchase my S2 subs. I can't say I blame him though, because S2's are not only incredibly efficient, but also incredibly musical. Even better is the fact that Nexo has always included presets that allow the co-mingling of their different boxes, such as GeoS8 line-array over S2 subs, or PS15's over RS subs, and so on. But at this time, I just cannot split the system up for a multitude of reasons. I will definitely keep you updated! Oh, and I'd love to do a What's In YOUR Kit? video for you because people are always asking about my kit, and I actually just built a "breakout kit" based around the A&H CQ-18T, which I bought thanks to your video on it. Anyway, I'll keep in touch!
@@JohnHorvath73 A restored vaudeville/movie house near me has an 8 box GEO S-8 rig with a single S-2 per side, and a center of 2 PS-12. Musical and rockin' beyond it's appearance. It's a pleasure to mix on. Your Alpha rig brings back good memories of well engineered point-ish source arrays. The Alpha kicks ass and the top boxes are surprisingly light weight for the era. BTW, were you a contributor at the Live Audio Board in a previous decade?
@@raygunsforronnie847 Hey! Yes, GeoS is a great sounding system.. Almost studio monitor'ish because there's really not very much going on inside the box, or in the DSP. And yes, I was a regular contributor on the LAB many moons ago. If I recall correctly, I probably stopped posting there when social media platforms took off in the mid to late 2000's.
@@JohnHorvath73 Small addition: The mandatory 26dB gain was only for the analog controllers. NX241 and NX242 have per output channel settings for that ranging from 20 to 38dB on the 241 and even higher on the 242. If you connect an amp, the controller will even measure and show the amp‘s gain, so you can set it accordingly. And yes, the Nexo controller is a must. It might seem it doesn‘t do that much, but that‘s not true. It does loudness dependent EQ correction, so it sounds pretty much the same low volume or full tilt. It does frequency dependent limiting, thermal limiting, peak limiting and cone velocity limiting, all of whichis a big part why the system gets that loud, can take that much power, without constantly breaking. In the 15 years I worked with Alpha and Alpha-E the number of defective drivers was like five, and they died of old age. It is still a great sounding system and prepared correctly, absolutely trouble-free to setup from the technical standpoint. Well, compared to newer high end products, the highs above 10kHz could be finer, but that‘s nothing to worry unless you‘re trying to do orchestras or something similar. It was designed as a stadium system with lots of cabs flown and stacked. And this is where my critique for these days comes from. No one uses them for big scale anymore. And for smaller jobs with one stack per side, they can be quite impractical, because their trapezoid shape even for S2 subwoofer makes them easy to tip over if you don‘t plan for it. The weight is ok. The drivers are all equipped with ferrite magnets except for the HF drivers in the M3/M8 tops, so not as light as they could have been, but not as heavy as many other systems in this performance class. By the way, the only difference between the 35x35° M3 top and the 80x45° M8 top is the HF horn, which is pretty easy to swap. So having the M8 horns as spares around makes this system quite flexible.
The GLD80 is great console for $800. They sound really fantastic, smooth, clear audio, great compressor. You can also add a Dante card and make it a real powerhouse of a console for live and the studio. It would rival Universal Audio interfaces. Onceyou understand the menus and overall design, it is easy to navigate for live shows.
That Peavey ,(AMR) desk sounds great. I owned a 16 bus version. Yes, the multi-pin's at the top of every channel are for the meter-bridge. The EQs are lovely.
The Chrome vs. Black series of A&H GLD and Qu are the same but for the fader caps. I think they just found it looking a little fresher and they wanted to present something new physically to emphasize major improvements that came with a firmware update. The GLD is basically a Linux PC controlling the audio processing. The PC's battery goes dead sooner or later, but this can be fixed by the user, DIY tutorials exist. Basically it depends on the condition of a GLD if I'd buy it or not. It has the extra processing modules for free that you'd buy extra in the SQ series. It doesn't have the built-in recorder, though. Can do only 48khz and you need the older stage boxes with the DSnake protocol (which are still available). Actually when offered a GLD in good condition for below 1000€, I might get weak, even though I own a SQ5. I have a DSnake eco system, though. I think the GLD 112 is more interesting when in need for a console giving you the overview. If spending money isn't an issue, get a SQ console new.
I’ve done some sketchy rigging in the past for 1 offs. A few installs we close… put thread rods through the cabinets. The Alpha system was the standard town festival rig in the area where I grew up. When I got into the industry there were two types of PA companies… Nexo or EV. I never mixed on a Nexo Rig
I use the Nexo Alpha series speakers with a live coverband and love them. They were ahead of its time. Sound great at low and high spl. They dont look as modern anymore with the fabric on the side, but that keeps the cabinet resonance very low. Because of the special horndesigne they are know for fast feedback, but with propper placement of the speakers and the small splay angle its very workeble.
That Alpha system is very nice sounding. Thunder Audio out of Michigan had a seriously banging collection of that stuff and it would shake ya pants!! I still love the Nexo line any time I use it. Any generation of their stuff is legit!
GLD is a great Console, mixing on it almost every Day. Downside is that the internal battery will die after a few years and is kinda hard to replace but duable. Other than that, great console, for 1k I believe you hardly get anything better.
I know you didn't talk about in the Nexo Alpha portion, but the Lab Gruppen fP 10000k 4 channel amps are quite interesting for 2700. I built many amp racks with these. Solid amps, great sound and light weight.
Hope you're all having a good start to the week. I can't wait to read your comments about some of these listings this week. Did anyone do any interesting gigs this weekend? Thanks for hanging out!
I've played that venue on the Gulf. The speakers aren't in an area that would affect egress, but they are a permanent install evidently. They've been there at least several years.
RADAR: nope, wouldnt run it. Only know one studio in the area that still uses these, although it's worth mentioning that the guy who runs it mostly tracks to tape, so he's often only transferring to RADAR so the tunes can be sent to someone running a DAW.
I was at a church and I came in one day to find our speakers hanging. I wasn't too concerned after I found out that the person who hung them worked on a farm and actually took into account decent mounting hardware steel cables etc. our ceiling height was low so you wouldn't necessarily be running under it or sitting by it. Didn't think about the fire thing but considering the roof was made of wood you better be praying anyway. But like I said solid hardware over rated steel cable about the only thing you could be concerned about would be the structural integrity of the speaker enclosure but they were JBL and so considering they were 8 feet off the floor. But after that I did start to question anything that's hanging.
its really cool to see some of the old analog equipment that is out there, i can only dream of owning some of it since I'm still in school but i love your input on some of this stuff
I've always thought that if the kid who dies with the most toys wins, the audio/video mixer guys might well qualify for St.Peter's special entry permit.
LOL! I was volunteering at a school today and ended up mixing on a GLD 80! I'd love them to replace it with an SQ-5 or 6, but I don't think they have the budget for replacing it anytime soon.
Yes it is drain your money if its get inproper use. Most of the mixer guys try to push it beyond the mixer peaking and let the processor do their job and keep the output linear. The others who had any of knowing abaut the non-red zones they usualy sad: “so great, Thanx”
I would love to get hold of one of the new Radar Studio models to try out, I had no idea a fully configured one would be $30k, but I'm sure they sell tons of them.
Check out the ROCKVILLE PBG-18 sub! It is an excellent deal for the money! I have 4 of them with 2 X RPA-16s powering them crossed over at 80Hz. and below on the frequency.. I'm very happy with the price and most of all the performance! Compare specs. on the PBG-18 sub. to other subs out there, that cost 2 to 3 times as much! I put a 20-Hz. tone in these bad boys and the whole house was shaking at a quarter power output.. These giant mixing boards in most cases are way too much OVERKILL.. LOL. To me, it's almost a ludicrous proposition to use any of these giant mixing boards in any musical situation unless you're going to mic. up a full-size ORCHESTRA...
that allen and heath board is a good deal, the analogue stuff just has no value anymore, see the midas heritage stuff going for nothing now. Live analogue is near worthless, some old recording stuff is worth some money if you can afford to keep it.
analog is definitely the way to go for beginners since its so cheap and its still useful to learn how to lay out a good system and really see how everything works together
a A&H GLD for 800$ is as steal It's still a great console (not as new as a SQ but it's 48 channels but more matrixes built in.) I have a SQ6, but for 8 $ if I needed a second console for simultanious gigs, I'd pig up a GLD. it even can use the same AB stage boxes (that are compatibale with the newer SQ/dLive systems. GLD probably heavier then the SQ and a little chonky'er, and slightly dated interface. But a smooth console, far superior to some other low end budget systems new. It'd take a GLD over a X32's or Yahama TF workflow and sound in a heartbeat
Oh sketchy rigging, how I loathe you. I’ve done too many installs going around and fixing stuff like that. Owners never realize boxes meant to fly are expensive.
I’ve done some sketchy rigging in the past for 1 offs. A few installs we close… put thread rods through the cabinets. The Alpha system was the standard town festival rig in the area where I grew up. When I got into the industry there were two types of PA companies… Nexo or EV. I never mixed on a Nexo Rig
Nothing like sitting down to watch some TH-cam, only to see my Nexo Alpha rig as the thumbnail of a video! I was like WTF?! But after watching, I'm glad you didn't rip me or my listing apart. Haha! But anyway, YES, that is the price. It was listed for $14K, but I just lowered it about a month ago when my summer season wound down, and after remembering that we blew a B1 this summer, so the replacement 15" went into one of the B1 cabinets. Also, the oddball 7th S2 sub is empty because I was going to buy another 18" speaker for it, but that never happened. Regardless, I will bring the price down to whatever we agree is fair. And yes, I have new black grill foam for almost every box. Why am I keeping 10 boxes? Well, because we still do a lot of groundstack work, and nothing in it's price and size will get as loud, throw as far, or sound as good as Alpha. I currently own dozens of small line array boxes, but they're normally only used for corporate work. If I need to get loud, and there's no way to fly, it's the Alpha rig, hands down. The downside to Alpha, you absolutely have to power AND process them correctly. Lake, XTA, dbx, and similar processors will not work. It has to be an NX242 processor with conventional amplifiers, or Nexo's Nxamps. As far as amplifiers, anything without DSP is fine, as long as it's at least 2500 per channel at 2 ohms, and can be switched to 26db of voltage gain. That said, Crown Ma5000, Camco Vortex6, Crest Pro9200, Lab Gruppen FP10000Q, and similar non-DSP amplifiers will all work just fine. If anyone here is interested, feel free to message me, and thank you so much for sharing my stuff!
Hi John, thanks for the message & for all the great info you added about your system. I'm really glad you're happy that I covered it in this episode and I hope someone reaches out to you and makes a deal. If everyone listing gear on marketplace was as reasonable and forthcoming as you are, I wouldn't be able to make this series any fun. Stay in touch and let me know if you end up finding a buyer!
@@DcSoundOp Hey! Thank you for your response, and for pinning my post up top! I actually received a message this morning from a guy in South Africa, but like most Nexo houses that've moved onto line-array, he only wants to purchase my S2 subs. I can't say I blame him though, because S2's are not only incredibly efficient, but also incredibly musical. Even better is the fact that Nexo has always included presets that allow the co-mingling of their different boxes, such as GeoS8 line-array over S2 subs, or PS15's over RS subs, and so on. But at this time, I just cannot split the system up for a multitude of reasons. I will definitely keep you updated! Oh, and I'd love to do a What's In YOUR Kit? video for you because people are always asking about my kit, and I actually just built a "breakout kit" based around the A&H CQ-18T, which I bought thanks to your video on it. Anyway, I'll keep in touch!
@@JohnHorvath73 A restored vaudeville/movie house near me has an 8 box GEO S-8 rig with a single S-2 per side, and a center of 2 PS-12. Musical and rockin' beyond it's appearance. It's a pleasure to mix on. Your Alpha rig brings back good memories of well engineered point-ish source arrays. The Alpha kicks ass and the top boxes are surprisingly light weight for the era.
BTW, were you a contributor at the Live Audio Board in a previous decade?
@@raygunsforronnie847 Hey! Yes, GeoS is a great sounding system.. Almost studio monitor'ish because there's really not very much going on inside the box, or in the DSP.
And yes, I was a regular contributor on the LAB many moons ago. If I recall correctly, I probably stopped posting there when social media platforms took off in the mid to late 2000's.
@@JohnHorvath73 Small addition: The mandatory 26dB gain was only for the analog controllers. NX241 and NX242 have per output channel settings for that ranging from 20 to 38dB on the 241 and even higher on the 242. If you connect an amp, the controller will even measure and show the amp‘s gain, so you can set it accordingly.
And yes, the Nexo controller is a must. It might seem it doesn‘t do that much, but that‘s not true. It does loudness dependent EQ correction, so it sounds pretty much the same low volume or full tilt. It does frequency dependent limiting, thermal limiting, peak limiting and cone velocity limiting, all of whichis a big part why the system gets that loud, can take that much power, without constantly breaking. In the 15 years I worked with Alpha and Alpha-E the number of defective drivers was like five, and they died of old age. It is still a great sounding system and prepared correctly, absolutely trouble-free to setup from the technical standpoint. Well, compared to newer high end products, the highs above 10kHz could be finer, but that‘s nothing to worry unless you‘re trying to do orchestras or something similar. It was designed as a stadium system with lots of cabs flown and stacked. And this is where my critique for these days comes from. No one uses them for big scale anymore. And for smaller jobs with one stack per side, they can be quite impractical, because their trapezoid shape even for S2 subwoofer makes them easy to tip over if you don‘t plan for it. The weight is ok. The drivers are all equipped with ferrite magnets except for the HF drivers in the M3/M8 tops, so not as light as they could have been, but not as heavy as many other systems in this performance class.
By the way, the only difference between the 35x35° M3 top and the 80x45° M8 top is the HF horn, which is pretty easy to swap. So having the M8 horns as spares around makes this system quite flexible.
The GLD80 is great console for $800. They sound really fantastic, smooth, clear audio, great compressor. You can also add a Dante card and make it a real powerhouse of a console for live and the studio. It would rival Universal Audio interfaces. Onceyou understand the menus and overall design, it is easy to navigate for live shows.
That Peavey ,(AMR) desk sounds great. I owned a 16 bus version. Yes, the multi-pin's at the top of every channel are for the meter-bridge. The EQs are lovely.
Feed the TH-cam algorithm with a comment. Great video. Thanks!
Thanks Robert, I was worried no one would be around to watch at this time of day. Thanks for the support as always!
The Chrome vs. Black series of A&H GLD and Qu are the same but for the fader caps. I think they just found it looking a little fresher and they wanted to present something new physically to emphasize major improvements that came with a firmware update.
The GLD is basically a Linux PC controlling the audio processing. The PC's battery goes dead sooner or later, but this can be fixed by the user, DIY tutorials exist.
Basically it depends on the condition of a GLD if I'd buy it or not. It has the extra processing modules for free that you'd buy extra in the SQ series. It doesn't have the built-in recorder, though. Can do only 48khz and you need the older stage boxes with the DSnake protocol (which are still available). Actually when offered a GLD in good condition for below 1000€, I might get weak, even though I own a SQ5. I have a DSnake eco system, though. I think the GLD 112 is more interesting when in need for a console giving you the overview.
If spending money isn't an issue, get a SQ console new.
I’ve done some sketchy rigging in the past for 1 offs. A few installs we close… put thread rods through the cabinets.
The Alpha system was the standard town festival rig in the area where I grew up. When I got into the industry there were two types of PA companies… Nexo or EV. I never mixed on a Nexo Rig
I use the Nexo Alpha series speakers with a live coverband and love them. They were ahead of its time. Sound great at low and high spl. They dont look as modern anymore with the fabric on the side, but that keeps the cabinet resonance very low. Because of the special horndesigne they are know for fast feedback, but with propper placement of the speakers and the small splay angle its very workeble.
That Alpha system is very nice sounding. Thunder Audio out of Michigan had a seriously banging collection of that stuff and it would shake ya pants!! I still love the Nexo line any time I use it. Any generation of their stuff is legit!
GLD is a great Console, mixing on it almost every Day. Downside is that the internal battery will die after a few years and is kinda hard to replace but duable. Other than that, great console, for 1k I believe you hardly get anything better.
I know you didn't talk about in the Nexo Alpha portion, but the Lab Gruppen fP 10000k 4 channel amps are quite interesting for 2700. I built many amp racks with these. Solid amps, great sound and light weight.
Hope you're all having a good start to the week. I can't wait to read your comments about some of these listings this week. Did anyone do any interesting gigs this weekend? Thanks for hanging out!
I've played that venue on the Gulf. The speakers aren't in an area that would affect egress, but they are a permanent install evidently. They've been there at least several years.
That's good to know, they certainly look like they've been there a good while.
I used the Peavey SRC in band rehearsals… It was the bands console and I’ve heard the Nexo…
I worked on a gld for about 7 years, 6 at one church and 1 at a corporate av gig. Not bad sounding. a few odd things but it worked.
RADAR: nope, wouldnt run it.
Only know one studio in the area that still uses these, although it's worth mentioning that the guy who runs it mostly tracks to tape, so he's often only transferring to RADAR so the tunes can be sent to someone running a DAW.
I was at a church and I came in one day to find our speakers hanging. I wasn't too concerned after I found out that the person who hung them worked on a farm and actually took into account decent mounting hardware steel cables etc. our ceiling height was low so you wouldn't necessarily be running under it or sitting by it. Didn't think about the fire thing but considering the roof was made of wood you better be praying anyway. But like I said solid hardware over rated steel cable about the only thing you could be concerned about would be the structural integrity of the speaker enclosure but they were JBL and so considering they were 8 feet off the floor. But after that I did start to question anything that's hanging.
its really cool to see some of the old analog equipment that is out there, i can only dream of owning some of it since I'm still in school but i love your input on some of this stuff
Always air on the side of caution ⚠️, never fly non-flyable cabinets. It will put you in a liability situation.
I've always thought that if the kid who dies with the most toys wins, the audio/video mixer guys might well qualify for St.Peter's special entry permit.
I hope you find a midas xl88 matrix mixer in the wild. The routing on that thing is bonkers.
LOL! I was volunteering at a school today and ended up mixing on a GLD 80! I'd love them to replace it with an SQ-5 or 6, but I don't think they have the budget for replacing it anytime soon.
I saw Alpha and I click
Yes it is drain your money if its get inproper use. Most of the mixer guys try to push it beyond the mixer peaking and let the processor do their job and keep the output linear. The others who had any of knowing abaut the non-red zones they usualy sad: “so great, Thanx”
Funny to see the Radar V when now a days you can get a full console with preamps that record way easier on SD cards
I would love to get hold of one of the new Radar Studio models to try out, I had no idea a fully configured one would be $30k, but I'm sure they sell tons of them.
Check out the ROCKVILLE PBG-18 sub! It is an excellent deal for the money! I have 4 of them with 2 X RPA-16s powering them crossed over at 80Hz. and below on the frequency.. I'm very happy with the price and most of all the performance! Compare specs. on the PBG-18 sub. to other subs out there, that cost 2 to 3 times as much! I put a 20-Hz. tone in these bad boys and the whole house was shaking at a quarter power output.. These giant mixing boards in most cases are way too much OVERKILL.. LOL. To me, it's almost a ludicrous proposition to use any of these giant mixing boards in any musical situation unless you're going to mic. up a full-size ORCHESTRA...
that allen and heath board is a good deal, the analogue stuff just has no value anymore, see the midas heritage stuff going for nothing now. Live analogue is near worthless, some old recording stuff is worth some money if you can afford to keep it.
i think youll see people grabbing up cheap live analog for their home studios, not zoomer beginners but.
analog is definitely the way to go for beginners since its so cheap and its still useful to learn how to lay out a good system and really see how everything works together
8:49 Throw the wheelbarrow in and you’ve got a deal!
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a A&H GLD for 800$ is as steal It's still a great console (not as new as a SQ but it's 48 channels but more matrixes built in.) I have a SQ6, but for 8 $ if I needed a second console for simultanious gigs, I'd pig up a GLD. it even can use the same AB stage boxes (that are compatibale with the newer SQ/dLive systems. GLD probably heavier then the SQ and a little chonky'er, and slightly dated interface. But a smooth console, far superior to some other low end budget systems new. It'd take a GLD over a X32's or Yahama TF workflow and sound in a heartbeat
I just missed the giveaway lol
Oh sketchy rigging, how I loathe you. I’ve done too many installs going around and fixing stuff like that. Owners never realize boxes meant to fly are expensive.
Deal
I’ve done some sketchy rigging in the past for 1 offs. A few installs we close… put thread rods through the cabinets.
The Alpha system was the standard town festival rig in the area where I grew up. When I got into the industry there were two types of PA companies… Nexo or EV. I never mixed on a Nexo Rig