There is absolutely no value to showing things that go perfect every time. The real value of this channel is that Jerry shows these repairs warts and all. He shows things will go wrong and, not only does he show how he fixes it, he takes us through his thought processes in reaching that fix. That is of immense value to those of us who want to work on our own guitars. Thank you Jerry!
Jerry is one of the few people that really show it as it is done. It's as honest as it gets. It a nice change to a lot of "perfect" content that is on TH-cam. I cant wait to see it when it's fixed. Thanks for keeping it Real Jerry.
You talking about getting it playing and it not being a museum piece, reminded me of something I did in my early days while learning the art of the luthier. I came across the remains of an old lute in a junk shop in Greenwich in the UK and got it for £50 as a restoration project for my exams. When we took the rosette out of the sound hole under all the dirt and dust was a piece of animal skin vellum which bore the name of Hans Frei, a lute maker who lived in Bologna dating back to the 1500's. I was advised to do a museum restoration and was told it was too old and valuable to attempt to make it playable again. Of course, being a musician, I wanted to hear what it sounded like, so I restored it along with my good friend William Murray. It took 5 years to restore in total, (2 years of planing the restoration and 3 years to actually restore it to a very playable instrument). Long story short, we took it back to Sothebys where we met with a gentleman who we were told was the worlds leading expert on Hans Frei instruments. He was reduced to tears when he opened the case, and got really upset because we hadn't done it as a museum restoration. He told us there were only 3 examples of his lutes left in the world and they were all hanging up in museums. My reply was well you've got 3 to look at and now you've got one that not only can you see it but you can hear what his lutes sounded like. It will always be the most memorable restoration I've ever done.
I am a mechanic, I repair many things with "Common sense". I love the honesty and common sense here. ANYTHING can be fixed or repaired, it's just a matter of time and money. ;) Some of the repairs I see you do, most shops would refuse because they think the guitar is not worth the repair cost. I am in my mid 60's, played guitar since I was 7, the value of a guitar can be way more than a book value to the owner.
I’m waiting for the Padouk-plate to replace the small one. I’m hoping for another lengthy legendary part 2 video. Sorry Mr.Rosa, but I really love to watch you practicing your craft. 😏😀
I literally shouted out loud when the knife went through the top and when that piece of the side came off. I'm surprised my wife didn't come running down from upstairs to see if I needed a ride to the ER 🤣. It's not easy being you, Jerry.
Its called the law of disturbances, someone disturbed that guitar a great deal before you saw it. sad that you have the work of repairing all the errors, but now it will be done right.
Par 4 the Course...U certainly Attract the "Winners..." I got the Most Excercise I got All Week, jumping for Joy, when that Sound Board Finally Released! The Glue Mess and Oddly Placed "Fixes" of Wood, were also a "Joy" to Behold~NOT!! The Doctor is In...Deep! >B-s
I can’t wait to see the finished product! This one is sure giving you fits but it is a lot of fun to sit back and watch the process. And don’t worry - I’m not shouting anything at the screen because I don’t have a ghost of an idea on how best to proceed!!
That thing is just giving you a fit. Nothing that you can't fix, but wow just oneof those jobs. I appreciate your work ethic and your always an do attitude.
Wow ,,,,, I mean wow,,,, you sir are a brave man,,,, but it had to be done,,,, and this is just the Top,,,, I've watched so many of your videos this has to be the craziest,,,,, so looking forward to your magic yes it's not easy being you....wow
You always say how that is a destructive process. This top removal shows how fragile the guitars are. There is a lot of skill in covering your tracks on a project like this one. Part 2 is going to be great!
It seldom if ever seems to be perfect, because guitars aren't built for easy disassembly. Happily, Jerry (and more and more, Caleb) are experts at mending guitars.
Probably one of my favorite videos that you have put out, and I've been following you for years. Thank your for showing all the real world problems you encountered on a difficult job. It is greatly appreciated !!
Thanks for all your videos Jerry, you make repair so much easier, you’re a great builder to son, hope someday I can be a fraction of the luthier you are.
Hi Jerry, it just looks like a complete bodge merchant got his hands on this guitar, dont feel bad, you have done what was needed to put this guitar back to a standard of construction required to make it sing again, some people should never be anywhere near the repair of an instrument, sadly i think you found the mommy and daddy of them all here. I think you did a fantastic job of taking this sows ear fully abused across its life and brought it back to reality and a silk purse. you really did the only thing that was ever going to see this guitar back to what it should be. Great job. Peace and love from Bonny Scotland.
My best guess on that knife through top thing: All that extra glue built up at the neckblock and formed an edge. The knife, coming from in between top and block, caught under that edge and was guided upwards through the top. I don't really see how to avoid these things from happening with the conditions at hand, even with the best of luck. And without watching the video further, I suppose the "rosa curse" still comes teamed up with the Rosa skills, so a fine instrument will be resurrected from an early grave before long. Regards!
I like your approach to repair. Found a problem - fix the problem. Even when it was someone else’s problem. I’d take a RSW repaired guitar any day. Enjoying these videos Jerry!
this is a fantastic channel. I’ve learned enough watching these videos to know that I prefer to have a professional do some of the work, but I’ve also found ways to do some of the needed work myself. Nice to see it done correctly by someone with so much experience. It’s also good to know that even the best runs into obstacles.
The only explanation for the knife that came through the top is that it wasn't inserted under the top when you were working it. It must have been inserted into the middle of the top's grain.
Been doing the work since '63 and don't t think I've had one that bad. I commend your for not just throwing your hands in the air and refusing to continue as well as revealing your bloopers to the you tube world. Not manby would have your courage and determination!
Jerry, I've seen hundreds of your videos. And this one hurt. :D I could hardly look at the screen, when you were tackling the neck block. Wow, what a tough one! No one of us could have done it better I think. It was all bad luck, as far as I can tell. So don't worry. I'm very sure, it'll be absolutely fine. And I'm looking forward to the next part! :)
I love the fact that you never hide your mistakes/problems. A lot of people wouldn't show these things, but you use them as a way to show us how to SOLVE the problems. It also shows that if someone with all your experience has these issues then we shouldn't be surprised if we have the same issues. If you didn't show your solutions to mistakes, then we'd have no chance of solving our own problems! I also love the way you said "sometimes you just don't enjoy what you're doing". There are days when you just have to power through.... Even when, as you say "this is just not fun!!".
Jerry, I never watch your channel before bedtime, I watch you in the morning when the world is fresh, new and the air is abound with optimism. (-: PS. We make our own "luck" most of the time. Still, you get it done and that is what counts.
❤ Jerry, I love your song " Old Dirt Farmer". That song resonates with me. I grew up on a horse farm. My Dad died when I was 9 years old in 1976. You are a great song writer. Keep doing it ok. ❤❤❤❤❤
I've seen three of your videos now and I have really enjoyed them I watched them after work and for some reason I can't explain they help me relax... But this video earned my subscription. The seek help part was awesome. LoL,👍
Hey Jerry, I know you are a "tinkerer" so I had an idea... The knife you're using to separate the top from the sides could be modified to mount into an electronic component soldering iron with a thermostat in the base power unit. Not the one that looks like a gun, that's a soldering "gun". Go figure. What I'm getting at is if you dismantled that knife and just had the knife blade with the tang exposed, you could hammer the tang into a partial cylinder, say.... about 1/8 of a circle. Then, place the soldering iron heating element into that partial circle. Craft the proper mounts to secure it internally. Then craft a tube that all of it slides into (make sure you use lots of fiberglass insulator). Re-rivet the tang through the new tube handle with the cord going through the handle and there ya go. Constantly heated knife. Another thought is this could be made into a modular setup with all your knife blades having the same type of tang that slots into the heating element socket. Possible time saver? Just some thoughts.
Thanks for showing us the "truth and the whole truth" about this fix. It speaks highly of you. Now if the wood would just cooperate... Toothpicks? Just be thankful that the previous repair guy was not a bricklayer.... Keep Smiling Adam
I have a '74 D28 that had a pretty bad accident somehow and I am trying to bring it back to life as best as I know how. Thanks to you Jerry I have amassed a fair amount of my knowledge from watching your videos. You have given me the confidence to take on such a challenge with your anything can be fixed approach. I quite agree with that approach as well. At any rate the top of the Martin had been removed and was among some of the things that I acquired as a purchase from someone selling their husbands guitar making tools and assorted things. The old braces and the top and the body for the Martin were all among the things I purchased. The body of the guitar had a new top installed but it had some problems that led me to aspire to put all the original parts back together and give as much originality back to the Martin as was possible. So in the process of trying to go through all the parts that went with the guitar I discovered the original X braces that had been removed due to some damage they sustained. Well the same dowelsyou have found through your Martin top are also in the X braces of this Martin.The dowels are through the X braces and the and the top and anchored into the bridge with pegs covering the holes in the bridge. Dont know if this was original or not but it appears to be. Has anyone else ever seen this? Jim Harris
Hey Jerry, I have a Thermistor controlled unit similar to yours but i don't have a big workshop so none of my apparatus are in situ. So to save time I use a cheap pair of women's ceramic straightening Tongues for back or front removals. It's very rare i undertake such work, but i can and i have on a few occasions. Anyway I find having heat go onto the tool, on the top and bottom of the blade, helps loosen up the Glue a little quicker. I have picked up enough tips from you for Heavens sake. In case you hadn't considered. Thanks Jerry.
😎 Thanks RSW ⚓️ I’m a 66 YO worker, present moment thinking & concentration is important on long tedious jobs. Where the blade came out the top… at the end grain - the knife got into the top… not into the joint… & popped thru. 😎 That’s a tough tedious labor of love, working on those guitars. 🎸 Thanks for all the enjoyment and experience 🍀
The issues with the Grain running upward toward the top shows that the piece of wood used for the top was not the best quartersawn spruce. Even Martin gets some bad wood.
Kudos to you, Jerry for not editing out the 'warts', tempting as that might have been. Things DO go wrong when working with wood. It's as you say, how you handle it afterwards with the right attitude and knowledge!
I usually clean hide glue mess by laying a wet (not dripping wet) paper towel over the area and waiting for a couple of hours. You might need to replace or re wet the paper tower a few times. After a couple of hours the glue scrapes of pretty easily. This method I believe would save you a bit of time scrubbing the area and could minimize the exposure of the top to water. That being said, the huge amount of glue you had there maybe would require multiple sessions…
You are right. It is pretty easy to remove this way. But soaking a couple of hours is not my thing. I soak the very spot for 10 minutes, then scrape lightly and repeat this process. This way the water hasn't a chance to soak too deep into the wood.
... I just Love this one, Jerry, ha-! You're wonderful to watch, aend listen to. And, If not completely mistaken, I do believe that we may've also been Fortunate to witness a minor miracle, as well. Or at the very least, seen a touch of the workshop spirit at play, there,-!!!...
I think the knife hit the big glob of glue line and instead of going over it, it went under it and went into the wood... As far as what to do, well, I look forward to seeing what you decide. I would trust your decision a heck of a lot more than anything I might be thinking
"... and after 30 years of doing very careful, detailed meticulous work, Jerry suddenly wrenches the top off this guitar and curses his occupation live on TH-cam." :) I do enjoy these videos because it reminds me of so many messes I've been in. LOL
What will Jerry will do ? If I was in charge I would have choose to planned the actual bracing and stick in the opposite shape and curve of the top new ones on the top flattened existing braces. Or replace all the braces. But the decision could have been done before washing the hide glue. Without the braces the work should have been easier... Thanks Jerry for your channel. And for a consolation it is definitely not easy being me either Jerry ! Glad to be part of the "not easy being me" mankind's world !
Cant wait for the next video, i bet you go the whole hog and replace all the braces. I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Peace and love from Bonny Scotland.
The spot at the end of the top where the knife went through? Masked by that brown glue on the back, I think, which reflowed when you stuck the hot knife back in there on a slant.
I think I'll glue a piece of 2x4 to the inside top of my Ovation... No wait John you remember what Jerry said. OK, now I see; I guess I'll have to get help; the Preacher or maybe the Building Inspector. Sadly, it wouldn't affect the sound of an Ovation much anyway; lol! 🤓
Brilliant video Jerry I wonder if your blade was pushed up when it hit that glue , the glue looked quite solid also those braces look very thin maybe thats why the top bowed who knows .
It seems like this guitar needs a new spruce top. But the old one can be saved with new braces and bridge plate. The old braces can be carved away without cracking the top. It'll be a nice guitar after it's finished.
Waiting for the next part of the Last Hurrah Guitar and the next part of this restoration … I’m not sure if I can handle that much stress. I like this restoration video very much: the greater the mess, the more I enjoy it. I would replace all the braces.
Theory: the glue dumped inside acted like the resin in a composite and "locked in" the curvature of a top that was out of shape from loose braces and cracks. Maybe it will recover some after its bath. Maybe look up the radius of the top and, stick it in a go-bar deck with that radius underneath. Maybe hit it with a heat gun too. Just spitballing
Jerry that fingerboard extension does add some structural stability IMO. I realize it’s only 1/16” of wood under the fret, but IMO that’s plenty of hardwood to minimize the backwards “hinge” potential at the neck. Every guitar I’ve had in that has been cut at the extension was worse for it. Tuning stability in particular but also tone. The only fix is a new fingerboard which did solve the problem. Just my experience.
That sort of thing happens very often in (pipe) organ building. You get something apart and find that someone has used materials and techniques that are completely wrong....probably why it needs to be fixed again! I can sympathize. It looks like they used the highest quality tooth picks! Who says no one takes pride in their craftsmanship! Hope you save those tooth picks for future use...lol
Oh my goodness, Jerry, this one had a swimming pool of hide glue puddle inside of it. The toothpicks are an excellent example of "not a cleat"! It's interesting to think about "what were they thinking"? Someone spent a lot of time making that mess, but not nearly as long as it took you to clean it up. I'm amazed at how well you were able to clean up the old glue, and I think that all the braces will need to be replaced because of the decades of warpage in them.
I am no luthier or any kind of professional wood worker of any kind, but I do know a little about wood working, people and a little about history, and am convinced that if they had better glue back in the earlier days they would have used it. It just stands to reason
For once I am a loss for words 😳 you have the ability to undo the carnage and this beautiful instrument needs to be put right so another restoration on the magnitude of {Chocolate} is on your plate. It has been painfully interesting to this point but now the healing can begin. Thank you for sharing.
You didn't saw all the way through the fretboard in the first place. I could tell even from just watching the video. You made me cringe a few times there!! Haha You really do good work, but you scare me sometimes....
When those holes were drilled through the top and though the braces near the X braces it compromised the structural integrity of the guitar top. String pull then deformed the top from the bridge to the tail block including all those braces. It will need new braces to resist the string tension for a complete true fix.
The knife went "inside", or in-between the wood top, and exited through the top. That's why there was no trace on the underside of penetration (IMHO). But, there's always more value to showing the things that didn't go perfectly. Great video !
That top already looks better and probably sounds better. I wish you would of tapped on it and compared the residence before and after that mess of glue. I know, no matter how it looks now. When your done it will be the instrument Martin intended it to be.
There is absolutely no value to showing things that go perfect every time. The real value of this channel is that Jerry shows these repairs warts and all. He shows things will go wrong and, not only does he show how he fixes it, he takes us through his thought processes in reaching that fix. That is of immense value to those of us who want to work on our own guitars. Thank you Jerry!
Jerry is one of the few people that really show it as it is done. It's as honest as it gets. It a nice change to a lot of "perfect" content that is on TH-cam. I cant wait to see it when it's fixed. Thanks for keeping it Real Jerry.
My two favorites are, Rosa (duh), and twoodfrd
Well actually - he laid out an incorrect approach, then chastised anyone with a different opinion in advance of beginning the work.
You talking about getting it playing and it not being a museum piece, reminded me of something I did in my early days while learning the art of the luthier. I came across the remains of an old lute in a junk shop in Greenwich in the UK and got it for £50 as a restoration project for my exams. When we took the rosette out of the sound hole under all the dirt and dust was a piece of animal skin vellum which bore the name of Hans Frei, a lute maker who lived in Bologna dating back to the 1500's. I was advised to do a museum restoration and was told it was too old and valuable to attempt to make it playable again. Of course, being a musician, I wanted to hear what it sounded like, so I restored it along with my good friend William Murray. It took 5 years to restore in total, (2 years of planing the restoration and 3 years to actually restore it to a very playable instrument). Long story short, we took it back to Sothebys where we met with a gentleman who we were told was the worlds leading expert on Hans Frei instruments. He was reduced to tears when he opened the case, and got really upset because we hadn't done it as a museum restoration. He told us there were only 3 examples of his lutes left in the world and they were all hanging up in museums. My reply was well you've got 3 to look at and now you've got one that not only can you see it but you can hear what his lutes sounded like. It will always be the most memorable restoration I've ever done.
I vote for new braces to put the ole girl back into shape. It will be worth it when complete.
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Guitar repair 101: Step 1. Dump jar of hide glue inside guitar. Step 2. Dump in box of toothpicks and random wood chunks. Step3. Give it a shake!
@Peter Rahill or "Shaken and Sticked!"
Man that guitar was hiding a multitude of sins. Those cracks that happened to you was the least of it's worries. good job.
I am a mechanic, I repair many things with "Common sense".
I love the honesty and common sense here.
ANYTHING can be fixed or repaired, it's just a matter of time and money. ;)
Some of the repairs I see you do, most shops would refuse because they think the guitar is not worth the repair cost.
I am in my mid 60's, played guitar since I was 7, the value of a guitar can be way more than a book value to the owner.
If you look closely you pushed in from the side grain and just pushed up a sliver on the face. Respect 🙏🏼
I’m waiting for the Padouk-plate to replace the small one. I’m hoping for another lengthy legendary part 2 video. Sorry Mr.Rosa, but I really love to watch you practicing your craft. 😏😀
I literally shouted out loud when the knife went through the top and when that piece of the side came off. I'm surprised my wife didn't come running down from upstairs to see if I needed a ride to the ER 🤣. It's not easy being you, Jerry.
Definitely, a couple OOOoohhww! moments. 😱😱
Thank you for sharing this video , and I hope you feel better soon ... Be gone headache and may the Lord Jesus Christ bless you ..
I really admire your honesty bud, it would have been easy to edit the mishaps out so +1 Jerry and respect. 👍👍👍
Its called the law of disturbances, someone disturbed that guitar a great deal before you saw it.
sad that you have the work of repairing all the errors, but now it will be done right.
I've watched many of your videos Jerry and I'll wager you'll replace all the bracing and do a first class job as always ! Watching from the UK !
Jerry the reason the knife went through the top is simple. You failed to do a Neck Reset the first thing !
Par 4 the Course...U certainly Attract the "Winners..."
I got the Most Excercise I got All Week, jumping for Joy, when that Sound Board Finally Released!
The Glue Mess and Oddly Placed "Fixes" of Wood, were also a "Joy" to Behold~NOT!!
The Doctor is In...Deep!
>B-s
I just love these 00/000 Martin. I got a 0000000-15M.A special treat for us. And a journey through fixing the lady.
Thanks Jerry 🎶🎶🎶
I can’t wait to see the finished product! This one is sure giving you fits but it is a lot of fun to sit back and watch the process. And don’t worry - I’m not shouting anything at the screen because I don’t have a ghost of an idea on how best to proceed!!
My Dad use to say, if it was eazy, anybody could do it. Hang in there Jerry...
That thing is just giving you a fit. Nothing that you can't fix, but wow just oneof those jobs. I appreciate your work ethic and your always an do attitude.
I really respect that you still shared your struggles with us. Kept a cool head and got the job done 👍
Wow ,,,,, I mean wow,,,, you sir are a brave man,,,, but it had to be done,,,, and this is just the Top,,,, I've watched so many of your videos this has to be the craziest,,,,, so looking forward to your magic yes it's not easy being you....wow
Thank you for the editing miss Rosa !!!
Emeri Rosa is a true, fer'-real treasure! And she can sing, too.
You always say how that is a destructive process. This top removal shows how fragile the guitars are. There is a lot of skill in covering your tracks on a project like this one. Part 2 is going to be great!
I think this was somebody's kindling box.
It seldom if ever seems to be perfect, because guitars aren't built for easy disassembly. Happily, Jerry (and more and more, Caleb) are experts at mending guitars.
Like watching the movie "Titanic" ..nail bitter..Can't wait to see the finished repair.
Probably one of my favorite videos that you have put out, and I've been following you for years. Thank your for showing all the real world problems you encountered on a difficult job. It is greatly appreciated !!
Thanks for all your videos Jerry, you make repair so much easier, you’re a great builder to son, hope someday I can be a fraction of the luthier you are.
I'm real sorry you had a bad headache. Thanks for powering through it to give us another great video!!
Hi Jerry, it just looks like a complete bodge merchant got his hands on this guitar, dont feel bad, you have done what was needed to put this guitar back to a standard of construction required to make it sing again, some people should never be anywhere near the repair of an instrument, sadly i think you found the mommy and daddy of them all here. I think you did a fantastic job of taking this sows ear fully abused across its life and brought it back to reality and a silk purse. you really did the only thing that was ever going to see this guitar back to what it should be. Great job. Peace and love from Bonny Scotland.
My best guess on that knife through top thing: All that extra glue built up at the neckblock and formed an edge. The knife, coming from in between top and block, caught under that edge and was guided upwards through the top. I don't really see how to avoid these things from happening with the conditions at hand, even with the best of luck.
And without watching the video further, I suppose the "rosa curse" still comes teamed up with the Rosa skills, so a fine instrument will be resurrected from an early grave before long. Regards!
I like your approach to repair. Found a problem - fix the problem. Even when it was someone else’s problem. I’d take a RSW repaired guitar any day. Enjoying these videos Jerry!
this is a fantastic channel. I’ve learned enough watching these videos to know that I prefer to have a professional do some of the work, but I’ve also found ways to do some of the needed work myself. Nice to see it done correctly by someone with so much experience. It’s also good to know that even the best runs into obstacles.
The only explanation for the knife that came through the top is that it wasn't inserted under the top when you were working it. It must have been inserted into the middle of the top's grain.
You have the wrong t-shirt on Jerry! Its not easy being you :D
Been doing the work since '63 and don't t think I've had one that bad. I commend your for not just throwing your hands in the air and refusing to continue as well as revealing your bloopers to the you tube world. Not manby would have your courage and determination!
Jerry, I've seen hundreds of your videos. And this one hurt. :D I could hardly look at the screen, when you were tackling the neck block. Wow, what a tough one! No one of us could have done it better I think. It was all bad luck, as far as I can tell. So don't worry. I'm very sure, it'll be absolutely fine. And I'm looking forward to the next part! :)
WHOAH!! What an absolute mess!! Who would do that to a guitar?? Looks like an explosion in a glue factory.
Great repair work Jerry.
Explosion 😏
Jerry, don't worry about it! You're doing some good to that instrument...
Those braces were carved down too much in the middle, where they warped...
Great episode so far I can’t wait to see it when you’re done and to hear it played
i bet you replace them all ....lol.....thanks for the vid mate
I love the fact that you never hide your mistakes/problems. A lot of people wouldn't show these things, but you use them as a way to show us how to SOLVE the problems. It also shows that if someone with all your experience has these issues then we shouldn't be surprised if we have the same issues. If you didn't show your solutions to mistakes, then we'd have no chance of solving our own problems!
I also love the way you said "sometimes you just don't enjoy what you're doing". There are days when you just have to power through.... Even when, as you say "this is just not fun!!".
Can't wait to see how this turns out. I'm at the edge of my seat!
I like watching your videos. Getting to listen to some Americana along with it is a little treat. Thank you.
Jerry, I never watch your channel before bedtime, I watch you in the morning when the world is fresh, new and the air is abound with optimism. (-: PS. We make our own "luck" most of the time. Still, you get it done and that is what counts.
Love it! 😂😂😂 SEEK HELP!! As a trained cabinetmaker, i have to asmit you are right.
❤ Jerry, I love your song " Old Dirt Farmer". That song resonates with me. I grew up on a horse farm. My Dad died when I was 9 years old in 1976. You are a great song writer. Keep doing it ok. ❤❤❤❤❤
I've seen three of your videos now and I have really enjoyed them I watched them after work and for some reason I can't explain they help me relax... But this video earned my subscription. The seek help part was awesome. LoL,👍
Just finished chocolate repair videos. I have faith this one will be MUCH easier to complete.
Hey Jerry, I know you are a "tinkerer" so I had an idea... The knife you're using to separate the top from the sides could be modified to mount into an electronic component soldering iron with a thermostat in the base power unit. Not the one that looks like a gun, that's a soldering "gun". Go figure. What I'm getting at is if you dismantled that knife and just had the knife blade with the tang exposed, you could hammer the tang into a partial cylinder, say.... about 1/8 of a circle. Then, place the soldering iron heating element into that partial circle. Craft the proper mounts to secure it internally. Then craft a tube that all of it slides into (make sure you use lots of fiberglass insulator). Re-rivet the tang through the new tube handle with the cord going through the handle and there ya go. Constantly heated knife. Another thought is this could be made into a modular setup with all your knife blades having the same type of tang that slots into the heating element socket. Possible time saver? Just some thoughts.
The whole top Jerry!
damn you mean I cant glue that piece of broomstick in my guitar? man oh man!
see Kimsie Lutheri's video on his repair of a 1936 00-18. Same strange holes - no explanation
🖐🏽☹️👎🏽 THEY LATHERED IT OVER THE MOON WITH CRAPPY GLUE EVERYWHERE . Nice recovery. Thanks you Mr Jerry. 😎🎸👍🏽🇺🇸
Yes and only 3 toothpicks. Maybe they ran out of the toothpicks after spreading the glue. 😂😂😂😂
Thanks for showing us the "truth and the whole truth" about this fix. It speaks highly of you. Now if the wood would just cooperate... Toothpicks? Just be thankful that the previous repair guy was not a bricklayer.... Keep Smiling Adam
I have a '74 D28 that had a pretty bad accident somehow and I am trying to bring it back to life as best as I know how. Thanks to you Jerry I have amassed a fair amount of my knowledge from watching your videos. You have given me the confidence to take on such a challenge with your anything can be fixed approach. I quite agree with that approach as well. At any rate the top of the Martin had been removed and was among some of the things that I acquired as a purchase from someone selling their husbands guitar making tools and assorted things. The old braces and the top and the body for the Martin were all among the things I purchased. The body of the guitar had a new top installed but it had some problems that led me to aspire to put all the original parts back together and give as much originality back to the Martin as was possible. So in the process of trying to go through all the parts that went with the guitar I discovered the original X braces that had been removed due to some damage they sustained. Well the same dowelsyou have found through your Martin top are also in the X braces of this Martin.The dowels are through the X braces and the and the top and anchored into the bridge with pegs covering the holes in the bridge. Dont know if this was original or not but it appears to be. Has anyone else ever seen this? Jim Harris
Hey Jerry, I have a Thermistor controlled unit similar to yours but i don't have a big workshop so none of my apparatus are in situ. So to save time I use a cheap pair of women's ceramic straightening Tongues for back or front removals. It's very rare i undertake such work, but i can and i have on a few occasions. Anyway I find having heat go onto the tool, on the top and bottom of the blade, helps loosen up the Glue a little quicker. I have picked up enough tips from you for Heavens sake. In case you hadn't considered. Thanks Jerry.
You can lump it lol !!! I don't think I've heard that since I was a kid !!
😎 Thanks RSW ⚓️ I’m a 66 YO worker, present moment thinking & concentration is important on long tedious jobs. Where the blade came out the top… at the end grain - the knife got into the top… not into the joint… & popped thru. 😎 That’s a tough tedious labor of love, working on those guitars. 🎸 Thanks for all the enjoyment and experience 🍀
Braces absolutely should come out, especially the X braces
Jerry old bean it's was what I call an optical delusion ! ☮️🇫🇴👍🤞
I would think of it more as an auditory delusion, if someone
thought it sounded good, after the previous "fix".
@@zapa1pnt beauty is in the ear of the beholder it's all subjective but it will sound better and Jerry will get over it 👍🤞
I hate it when somebody's mean to a guitar. I look forward to the sequel(s). Thumbs up to crush a troll.
The issues with the Grain running upward toward the top shows that the piece of wood used for the top was not the best quartersawn spruce. Even Martin gets some bad wood.
Kudos to you, Jerry for not editing out the 'warts', tempting as that might have been. Things DO go wrong when working with wood. It's as you say, how you handle it afterwards with the right attitude and knowledge!
I think the knife slipped under the hard edge of the glue line
I got a good laugh with the toothpick discovery (and your mention of paneling).
I usually clean hide glue mess by laying a wet (not dripping wet) paper towel over the area and waiting for a couple of hours. You might need to replace or re wet the paper tower a few times. After a couple of hours the glue scrapes of pretty easily. This method I believe would save you a bit of time scrubbing the area and could minimize the exposure of the top to water. That being said, the huge amount of glue you had there maybe would require multiple sessions…
You are right. It is pretty easy to remove this way. But soaking a couple of hours is not my thing. I soak the very spot for 10 minutes, then scrape lightly and repeat this process. This way the water hasn't a chance to soak too deep into the wood.
Man, that’s so much water you put into that DRY DRY, spruce top
What a nightmare! I'm looking forward to seeing it in the next video. All the best from rainy England
You are the world's greatest Grandpa..Amazing job!
... I just Love this one, Jerry, ha-! You're wonderful to watch, aend listen to. And, If not completely mistaken, I do believe that we may've also been Fortunate to witness a minor miracle, as well. Or at the very least, seen a touch of the workshop spirit at play, there,-!!!...
... and thank you for the background mando-banjo-guitar music, it's fantastic ...
I think the knife hit the big glob of glue line and instead of going over it, it went under it and went into the wood...
As far as what to do, well, I look forward to seeing what you decide. I would trust your decision a heck of a lot more than anything I might be thinking
If I attempted this the guitar would be in a dozen pieces with nope hope of resuscitation. Great job Jerry
@HOBO LIFE: So, who is blaming his tools???
"... and after 30 years of doing very careful, detailed meticulous work,
Jerry suddenly wrenches the top off this guitar and curses his occupation live on TH-cam."
:)
I do enjoy these videos because it reminds me of so many messes I've been in. LOL
What will Jerry will do ?
If I was in charge I would have choose to planned the actual bracing and stick in the opposite shape and curve of the top new ones on the top flattened existing braces. Or replace all the braces.
But the decision could have been done before washing the hide glue. Without the braces the work should have been easier...
Thanks Jerry for your channel.
And for a consolation it is definitely not easy being me either Jerry !
Glad to be part of the "not easy being me" mankind's world !
Cant wait for the next video, i bet you go the whole hog and replace all the braces. I thoroughly enjoyed this video. Peace and love from Bonny Scotland.
The spot at the end of the top where the knife went through? Masked by that brown glue on the back, I think, which reflowed when you stuck the hot knife back in there on a slant.
I think I'll glue a piece of 2x4 to the inside top of my Ovation... No wait John you remember what Jerry said. OK, now I see; I guess I'll have to get help; the Preacher or maybe the Building Inspector. Sadly, it wouldn't affect the sound of an Ovation much anyway; lol! 🤓
Brilliant video Jerry I wonder if your blade was pushed up when it hit that glue , the glue looked quite solid also those braces look very thin maybe thats why the top bowed who knows .
It seems like this guitar needs a new spruce top. But the old one can be saved with new braces and bridge plate. The old braces can be carved away without cracking the top. It'll be a nice guitar after it's finished.
This is going to be good!
Some times it's more important to save something rather than "preserve" it. Purists don't have a budget, most of the rest of us do!!
Makes my Martin D12-20 neck reset look like a walk in the park.
Jerry goes the extra mile and makes the right decisions in the best interest of the customer and guitar.
Waiting for the next part of the Last Hurrah Guitar and the next part of this restoration … I’m not sure if I can handle that much stress.
I like this restoration video very much: the greater the mess, the more I enjoy it.
I would replace all the braces.
I have never seen an inside of a guitar look like that. What a disaster. It had to be opened. Love your work.
Theory: the glue dumped inside acted like the resin in a composite and "locked in" the curvature of a top that was out of shape from loose braces and cracks. Maybe it will recover some after its bath. Maybe look up the radius of the top and, stick it in a go-bar deck with that radius underneath. Maybe hit it with a heat gun too. Just spitballing
as a Martin fan I am really sad to see how hey have slaughtered my boy there haha
“Guess who gets to clean all this mess up?…..APPRENTICE!
Jerry that fingerboard extension does add some structural stability IMO. I realize it’s only 1/16” of wood under the fret, but IMO that’s plenty of hardwood to minimize the backwards “hinge” potential at the neck. Every guitar I’ve had in that has been cut at the extension was worse for it. Tuning stability in particular but also tone. The only fix is a new fingerboard which did solve the problem. Just my experience.
I've done it for years my work is 100% guaranteed and I've never had a return
I agree with Jerry...vastly experienced, IMHO
“I saw the knife blade come out…” and then again, again and again during the edit.
Oh, what a thought. OI!
Who says you can't remember pain!
That sort of thing happens very often in (pipe) organ building. You get something apart and find that someone has used materials and techniques that are completely wrong....probably why it needs to be fixed again! I can sympathize. It looks like they used the highest quality tooth picks! Who says no one takes pride in their craftsmanship! Hope you save those tooth picks for future use...lol
Oh my goodness, Jerry, this one had a swimming pool of hide glue puddle inside of it. The toothpicks are an excellent example of "not a cleat"! It's interesting to think about "what were they thinking"? Someone spent a lot of time making that mess, but not nearly as long as it took you to clean it up. I'm amazed at how well you were able to clean up the old glue, and I think that all the braces will need to be replaced because of the decades of warpage in them.
I am no luthier or any kind of professional wood worker of any kind, but I do know a little about wood working, people and a little about history, and am convinced that if they had better glue back in the earlier days they would have used it. It just stands to reason
For once I am a loss for words 😳 you have the ability to undo the carnage and this beautiful instrument needs to be put right so another restoration on the magnitude of {Chocolate} is on your plate. It has been painfully interesting to this point but now the healing can begin. Thank you for sharing.
Someone sure went nuts carving the lower bout x braces. 🤪
You didn't saw all the way through the fretboard in the first place. I could tell even from just watching the video. You made me cringe a few times there!! Haha You really do good work, but you scare me sometimes....
When those holes were drilled through the top and though the braces near the X braces it compromised the structural integrity of the guitar top. String pull then deformed the top from the bridge to the tail block including all those braces. It will need new braces to resist the string tension for a complete true fix.
The knife went "inside", or in-between the wood top, and exited through the top. That's why there was no trace on the underside of penetration (IMHO). But, there's always more value to showing the things that didn't go perfectly. Great video !
I think I would be even more frustrated during parts of this project. But it’s still so impressive to watch.
That top already looks better and probably sounds better. I wish you would of tapped on it and compared the residence before and after that mess of glue. I know, no matter how it looks now. When your done it will be the instrument Martin intended it to be.
It would have made a sound similar to dropping a bag of rice on a full burlap sack of roasted peanuts. Probably. P flat
Great content, thanks.
The same crazy person that poured glue everywhere. Although I really enjoyed the toothpick theory !!!